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Andrew,

> I could use the Omnibook PIM programs, they should work fine under
> WIN98. But although they use the same data files as the palmtop they
> don't work the same which is more of an aggravation than not being able
> to cut and paste.
>  Thanks for the ideas

App200 uses a CGA graphic format which is not copied as text through the
clipboard. You may want to give a try to SNAGIT. It is a pretty powerfull
screen capture application with some kind of OCR capability. It may do =
the
job. Yet it sound to me way more complex than using the Omnibook PIMs.

 \/
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This may be off topic but I know that a number of members use the OB800CT.
The original HP specs lists 133Mhz processor and max 48MB RAM. Yet I see =
it
proposed on eBay with 166Mhz and up to 80MB memory. Are those different
models or overclocked machines with more memory ?

Some machines are sold without a floppy. I suppose that it is then =
impossible
to re-configure the OB800CT after a hard disk problem or is it able to =
boot
from a flash card ? Is it possible to acquire a readily configured win 98
Ghost image or QuickRecovery on a CD for a fast basic configuration ?

I have a 200LX and a Libretto 50CT, how does the OB800CT compares in size =
to
these ?

Thanks,

 \/
 /ves

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Different machines. If you can get a hold of a 166 with 80MB, it is a
really nice machine. They come with 16MB so finding an upgrade chip may be
difficult. Try Kingston. The stock 166 machine came with a 2GB, but some
with 4GB drives. They came with Win95 or WFW3.11, and there was a CD drive
(external), floppy external, and a docking station, as well as a battery
and an adapter.

If you get less, then you are getting less than the original.

I think you can make a PCMCIA bootable and start from that, but I am not
sure how.

800CT is larger than Libretto, but still very usable. width 28.1 cm, depth
18.2cm, height 3.9cm. I use it a lot as a travelling machine, or when I
need to do stuff at home and do not want to put the project on the desktop.
I use a wireless network and just pop it in load what I need and go.

You can install Win98, and I heard even WinNT, W2k and so on, but it gets a
little slow, I think.

I was going to experiment with Linux (several people have done it!) and
also LitePC which is a Win98 Lite.

Good luck.

Avi


At 10/31/02-11:21 PM, Yves Leurquin <leurquin@BIGFOOT.COM> wrote:
>This may be off topic but I know that a number of members use the OB800CT.
>The original HP specs lists 133Mhz processor and max 48MB RAM. Yet I see it
>proposed on eBay with 166Mhz and up to 80MB memory. Are those different
>models or overclocked machines with more memory ?
>
>Some machines are sold without a floppy. I suppose that it is then impossible
>to re-configure the OB800CT after a hard disk problem or is it able to boot
>from a flash card ? Is it possible to acquire a readily configured win 98
>Ghost image or QuickRecovery on a CD for a fast basic configuration ?
>
>I have a 200LX and a Libretto 50CT, how does the OB800CT compares in size to
>these ?
>
>Thanks,
>
>  \/
>  /ves
>
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Hi Yves

11m ....>> in the future <<.... ago Avi Meshar wrote:

> I think you can make a PCMCIA bootable and start from that, but I am not
> sure how.

You can make a Flash card bootable just like any kind of hard disk, BUT
to boot from it on the Omnibook you would have to connect it to the
hard disk IDE port. The BIOS cannot boot from a flash disk connected
to PCMCIA. So I strongly recommend that you buy a floppy for the
Omnibook. It's even more important than the external CD drive, because
that one can be replaced by (cheaper?) PCMCIA / parallel port / SCSI CD
drives. Oh, but to use the SCSI port, you need either the docking
station or the proprietary cable, which usually comes with the CDROM
drive, I think.

> I was going to experiment with Linux (several people have done it!) and

Linux works great on the OB800. The best thing is: It runs BETTER than
Windows 98, because the IrDA port is supported under Linux, but isn't
under Win98. Only under Win95.
There are a few minor modifications to the Linux kernel to make sound
work properly, so you will have to compile your own kernel if you need
sound. But that's it, everything else works with the standard driver
modules.

GTX
daniel

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Axel Berger wrote:

> "g. van wirdum" wrote:
> > I admit the 1b 2a chain very much looks like the beginning of a message.
>
> It is one. I had the complete beginning of the output and those bytes
> begin the first line of graphics. I'd repost it here, but I do not know
> an easy way to convert binary to hex - I view it as hex in VC, but how
> can I save it in that format?

   The easy way is to load a screen grabber such as
SNIPPER, and capture the screen to a file.  This works
very well with Buerg's LIST program which formats and
labels the hex display.  You can use DEBUG and redirect
the output to a file.  Using a script file and redirecting
input makes this a bit easier.  And there are hex file
dump utilities to convert the whole file.  I can e-mail
you a particularly simple one I wrote if you want.

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Thanks Sally!

I had looked at this DB a long time ago (before I bought PFA) and forgotten
about it.  It's based on revision 11 of the USDA list, whereas the current
list is at revision 15, so I'm still hoping to find some way of porting the
full list from the web "on demand" ... but the usda.zip file is a good
substitute till I get there.

- Longden


<<
Hi Longden,
This wheel has been partially invented.  You can find the zipped file
"usda.zip" at http://www.palmtop.net/hp_db.html .  The zipped file contains
a txt file with information about the database and 22 individual db files
that each contain a category of foods.  I don't know if it will work on
PFA,
but it will be viewable on the 200LX.

Sally
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Hi,

AutoCAD R2.6 runs great on my 200LX. But I can't understand why I can't
this version to run on my old Omnibook 800CT- running MS-DOS 6.22?

When I excecute ACAD.EXE, my notebook just hang. Can't even come to the
menu.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

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Steve wrote:
> And there are hex file
> dump utilities to convert the whole file.  I can e-mail
> you a particularly simple one I wrote if you want.

Yes please. I could easily cobble something together myself, but that
would then only run in my Atari emulation.

Danke
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> This may be off topic but I know that a number of members use the OB800CT.

You could check out the Omnibook list.
I saw a thread go by about booting to a card but since my OB425 already
does that I didn't pay much attention.
See <http://www.eberl.com/omnibook/omnibook.faq> for more details.

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I seem to have CPACK running in a reduced window under WIN98lite.
First I right clicked on the APP200 shortcut, selected screen and
checked "window" under "usage" (thanks Barry).
When I run the program I see a small window then the usual "system
manager" screen filling the display.
When I hit "ALT-ENTER" (thanks several folks) the program appears in the
small window.
Still can't cut and paste but I can see and copy.
I should mention that about the time I tried this my appointment book
has vanished.
Fortunately the real copy is safely in the palmtop.
I can't imaging that changing the window size would affect a data file
but it seems like a strange coincidence


Automatic digest processor wrote:
> > I could use the Omnibook PIM programs, they should work fine under
> > WIN98.
>
> App200 uses a CGA graphic format which is not copied as text through the
> clipboard. You may want to give a try to SNAGIT. It is a pretty powerfull
> screen capture application with some kind of OCR capability. It may do the
> job. Yet it sound to me way more complex than using the Omnibook PIMs.
>
>  \/
>  /ves

The Omnibook PIMs run under WIN 3.0 (?) with a VGA screen so I guessed
they'd probably run under WIN98.
I'm not going that way since the look and feel are different than the
200LX PIMS.
That's why I like the CPACK versions, same data, same keystrokes.


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Hi,

I downloaded Arachne Web Browser, since it suppose to support 200LX.
But I would like to check if anyone here knows if any work on this is
in progress?

Because for 200LX, lots of work has to be done! Currently, it's not
usable on the 200LX. And it would be nice to have a very powerful web
browser for the 200LX.

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> From: Yves Leurquin <leurquin@BIGFOOT.COM>
> Date: 2002/10/31 Thu PM 11:21:27 CST
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Which Omnibook 800CT
>
> This may be off topic but I know that a number of members use the OB800CT.

That's fine - HP Goodness is always fair game!

> The original HP specs lists 133Mhz processor and max 48MB RAM. Yet I see it
> proposed on eBay with 166Mhz and up to 80MB memory. Are those different
> models or overclocked machines with more memory ?


There are 3 or 4 basic models, as I remember - 133 MHz CPU, 166 MHz CPU, with either TFT/Active Matrix screens (very nice) and dual scan.

A P166 w/TFT screen and 80 Meg RAM is a nice machine... I have one I plan on putting Linux on soon, not sure how to get wireless to function (just haven't looked in to it yet)...

> Some machines are sold without a floppy. I suppose that it is then impossible
> to re-configure the OB800CT after a hard disk problem or is it able to boot
> from a flash card ? Is it possible to acquire a readily configured win 98
> Ghost image or QuickRecovery on a CD for a fast basic configuration ?

Recovery CDs are not that rare, but many foloks just drop the HD in a desktop and load up the software on a formatted HD and slide it into the laptop. ANother option (which I have done) is to load an OS install image (Win CAB files) onto a PCMCIA HD and
set it as the active boot image in fdisk, IIRC.

> I have a 200LX and a Libretto 50CT, how does the OB800CT compares in size to
> these ?

Heh, me too! The keyboard is *nearly* full size (90%?), but they are real keys, a huge step up from the tiny keys on the libretto & 200 LX. Also, the 800x600 screen is a good size.

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Daniel Hertrich provided the author with a machine so he can continue work
to adapt the software to the Palmtop. So far, you see the results. This has
been going on for many months.

Most people who try to tackle this project, fail to perceive the severity
of the limitations of the Palmtop for such a project. Specifically, the
requirements for memory are very high because it is a graphical package and
there is simply no good way to program around it. You need both a lot of
code to manipulate things - which consumes memory, and you need a lot of
room to keep graphical information around - which consumes memory. And
there isn't sufficient ACCESSIBLE memory available. Part of the problem is
the addressability inherent in the 80186. With a 80386 these limitations
mostly drop and large stretches of memory can be utilized, but not with the
186 or even 286 chips.

So I applaud the guy (Michael Polak from Prague, I believe) for trying, and
for what he already achieved. If he can finish the job, I'll be the first
to buy a copy. It would be an incredible piece of programming and well
worth using if he succeeds!

Avi


At 11/2/02-05:27 AM, Jorgen Wallgren <wallgren@SINGNET.COM.SG> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I downloaded Arachne Web Browser, since it suppose to support 200LX.
>But I would like to check if anyone here knows if any work on this is
>in progress?
>
>Because for 200LX, lots of work has to be done! Currently, it's not
>usable on the 200LX. And it would be nice to have a very powerful web
>browser for the 200LX.
>
>Regards,
>
>Jorgen
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At 11/2/02-09:02 AM, Ken at n2vip@VERIZON.NET wrote:
> > The original HP specs lists 133Mhz processor and max 48MB RAM. Yet I see it
> > proposed on eBay with 166Mhz and up to 80MB memory. Are those different
> > models or overclocked machines with more memory ?
>
>
>There are 3 or 4 basic models, as I remember - 133 MHz CPU, 166 MHz CPU,
>with either TFT/Active Matrix screens (very nice) and dual scan.

I did not know about Active Matrix, I thought only TFTs were produced.

>A P166 w/TFT screen and 80 Meg RAM is a nice machine... I have one I plan
>on putting Linux on soon, not sure how to get wireless to function (just
>haven't looked in to it yet)...

Same machine as mine. Under Win95, updated it as much as possible, and then
used Netgear MA401 wireless card which took the CD and ran just fine right
out of the box. It did not give me T-1 performance (as my desktop did) but
I was happy with 50-75% of that speed too!

I tried the Linksys card, no-go - the installation worked but the driver
never worked (two versions...)

No idea what it'll take to make happen under Linux.

Good luck to you!

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> Daniel Hertrich provided the author with a machine so he can
continue work
> to adapt the software to the Palmtop. So far, you see the
results. This has
> been going on for many months.
>
> Most people who try to tackle this project, fail to perceive the
severity
> of the limitations of the Palmtop for such a project.
Specifically, the
> requirements for memory are very high because it is a graphical
package and
> there is simply no good way to program around it. You need both a
lot of
> code to manipulate things - which consumes memory, and you need a
lot of
> room to keep graphical information around - which consumes
memory. And
> there isn't sufficient ACCESSIBLE memory available. Part of the
problem is
> the addressability inherent in the 80186. With a 80386 these
limitations
> mostly drop and large stretches of memory can be utilized, but
not with the
> 186 or even 286 chips.

He needs to hire an  old programmer who grew up in the days when
there were no memory limitations.  Only storage limitations.  You
never ran out of memory as long as you had disk space left.  :)

Those were the days where software mostly wasn't as interactive as
it is today and the demands on it were fewer than there are today.
But their "disk" space wasn't really flash memory or sram either.

I think for the programmer who knows how and is willing to do it
the LX isn't that limited a machine.  If people are running Autocad
happily on the LX there's no reason you can't have a fairly
sophisticated browser.



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> I did not know about Active Matrix, I thought only TFTs were
produced.

TFT is active matrix.

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> I think for the programmer who knows how and is willing to do it
> the LX isn't that limited a machine.  If people are running Autocad
> happily on the LX there's no reason you can't have a fairly
> sophisticated browser.
>
> Barry

I agree with Barry! There is no reason why it shouldn't be possible to
make a very powerful WEB browser for the 200LX. It's just a matter of
smart programming and handle the resources 200LX provides. Maybe not
the conventional way

Yes, I am running AutoCAD on 200LX- works great! I even have a 3-D Pool
game and with or without mouse- I can run around the pool table to find
a good shoot. Earlier it was discussed on this list that it was not
possible to make good 3-D programs for the 200LX! And still I am playing
3-D Pool! :-)

Unfortunately, I have limited knowledge in programming. If I was good,
I would deffinately create this "famous 200LX web browser". :-)

Regards,

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Yes, Geert,
the problem isn't solved yet and I see no way to solve
it myself. I can't program in what way ever. At least
I didn't so far.
So I am relying on programs in reach.
As Axel wrote already we now know that it is EscP which comes
out of the Scopemeter PM97. But a search in the internet for
a converter hasn't shown any result.
By the way: The PM97 has an IR-Port but I have a IR to
RS232 converter. But that doesn't help because I have no
RS232-printer.
With the newer scopepeters like PM199 there is certainly a way
to get files out of the meter. But there is no way to do
that with the PM97.
Do you see another way?
Uli

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Hi Jorgen, Avi, all

01h36m ago Jorgen Wallgren wrote:

> I agree with Barry! There is no reason why it shouldn't be possible to
> make a very powerful WEB browser for the 200LX. It's just a matter of
> smart programming and handle the resources 200LX provides. Maybe not
> the conventional way
>

I have sold Michael Polak one of my self-made Siemens data cables so
he can use his 200LX with the Siemens mobile phone, and I provided
him some details about communication and the 200LX. This was long ago,
and I have never heard anything positive from him since then.

I think it could speed up the process a bit if all people who are
interested send him an email. ;-)
http://www.arachne.cz

daniel

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Date:         Sun, 3 Nov 2002 21:23:07 +0100
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Hi,

in case sombody needs 90 Meg additional storage:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D2067208013

They start at $20,00 with a buyitnow of =A735,00.
I would get them but I just bought a 64Mb-Card.

regards,
Oliver

P.S.: No, it's not my auction ;-)

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I have a question for those of you with 32/64/96 meg upgraded
LXs; "What do you use the original C: drive for?"

The T2T upgrade is a new F: drive that is usually swapped with
the C: drive during boot.  The Config.Sys has to be in root of
that original C: along with the T2T device drivers that make the
bigger drive exist to DOS.  Up to now I haven't used the
remainder of that small drive, about 1.3 meg in size, for
anything.  I don't store files there because I don't need the
extra space and because of the stories on this list about how
files in the T2T drive tend to survive crashes like low
batteries better than the original drive.

Still, that is about 1.3 meg going to waste and I wonder if
anyone has an interesting use for it.

I was thinking of adding it to the Software Carousel swap pool.
My main SC swap space is EXM using T2T's Tremm driver; it works
well and is supposed to be a bit faster than swapping to disk.
I could add much of the remaining space of the small original C:
to the SC swap pool but is there a better use I could make of
it?

Cheers... Russ

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At 11/2/02-12:45 PM, "Barry" <barry@fbtc.net> wrote:
>I think for the programmer who knows how and is willing to do it
>the LX isn't that limited a machine.  If people are running Autocad
>happily on the LX there's no reason you can't have a fairly
>sophisticated browser.

I'd be happy to be the first customer of such a programmer. The fact
remains that none of the brilliant programmers in our community created one
of these items. Perhaps my reasoning is all wrong, but I think not. Will
you tackle that?

Oh, yes, hiring... Hmmm... this will have to be out of the goodness of your
heart and mind. If you try to charge for it, your asking price will be
around <speculating wildly here> $500.00 per copy. I won't pay for it, and
I am sure few people using palmtops will.

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At 11/3/02-07:19 AM, Daniel Hertrich <daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE> wrote:
>Hi Jorgen, Avi, all
>
>01h36m ago Jorgen Wallgren wrote:
>
> > I agree with Barry! There is no reason why it shouldn't be possible to
> > make a very powerful WEB browser for the 200LX. It's just a matter of
> > smart programming and handle the resources 200LX provides. Maybe not
> > the conventional way
> >

I have not seen Jorgen's post, so my reply to it is handicapped in tat I am
not sure what he wrote exactly, except what Daniel quotes here. I just want
to comment on the (unjustified, IMHO) confidence that Jorgen has in
programming power. To say "there is no reason why it cannot be done" is
ignoring all the prior efforts and casting them as irrelevant. Several
ACTUAL CODING projects have gone on and they all concluded as impossible to do.

It was actually possible, but not practical - it would take so much time to
process each image and each page one would fall asleep viewing <g>...

If anyone feels that it CAN be done, and in a practical way, then please
put your tongue away inside your hand and use the energy to write the code!
Please!

The closest we got so far is Michael's and Andreas' examples: They did not
talk about it, they just wrote code. There were other attempts which were
discussed at length but not one line of code came out of it.

>I have sold Michael Polak one of my self-made Siemens data cables so
>he can use his 200LX with the Siemens mobile phone, and I provided
>him some details about communication and the 200LX. This was long ago,
>and I have never heard anything positive from him since then.

I am sorry about that.

>I think it could speed up the process a bit if all people who are
>interested send him an email. ;-)
>http://www.arachne.cz

I rather think it would have the opposite effect. When you code something
and it does not go well, the last thing you need is a bunch of people tell
you that they NEED THIS THING badly! <g> This may pressure him unnecessarily.

I think it would be more useful to give him moral support if ONE person,
you probably, write to him and tell him that many of us would love to have
it, and many of us are supportive of him, and that if he needs any help we
would be happy to go get it for him.

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At 11/3/02-02:36 PM, Russel Brooks <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>I have a question for those of you with 32/64/96 meg upgraded
>LXs; "What do you use the original C: drive for?"

Put SECDEV on it?

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> At 11/2/02-12:45 PM, "Barry" <barry@fbtc.net> wrote:
> >I think for the programmer who knows how and is willing to do it
> >the LX isn't that limited a machine.  If people are running
Autocad
> >happily on the LX there's no reason you can't have a fairly
> >sophisticated browser.
>
> I'd be happy to be the first customer of such a programmer. The
fact
> remains that none of the brilliant programmers in our community
created one
> of these items. Perhaps my reasoning is all wrong, but I think
not. Will
> you tackle that?

Not me.  I'm retired.  I'm having a hard time finishing the little
tiny projects I start from time to time.  I'm sure I'd never finish
a major project.

Barry

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This could work...

http://www.cadigital.com/poqetpc.htm

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It's been a long time since I last used the Appointment Book
on my HP 200 LX (I'm using a Palm Vx for the PIM functions).
That's why I forgot how to control this function: since a few
days the appointment book comes up when I switch the HP
on for the first time each day. How do I turn this option off?
Deleting APPT.ADB or APPTBK.ENV does not help.

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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">It's been a long time since I last used the Appointment Book</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">on my HP 200 LX (I'm using a Palm Vx for the PIM functions).</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">That's why I forgot how to control this function: since a few</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">days the appointment book comes up when I switch the HP</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">on for the first time each day. How do I turn this option off?</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Deleting APPT.ADB or APPTBK.ENV does not help.<br>
<br>
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Avi Meshar wrote:

> It was actually possible, but not practical - it would take so much =
time to
> process each image and each page one would fall asleep viewing <g>...

Sorry, but I really have to contradict:

Look at the Palm world of today. There are about 5-10 browsers
doing color, graphics, frames, https... on a 160x160 pixel
screen in the range of 4 shades of gray up to true color at a
reasonable speed. And the processor speed of a Palm is
comparable to a double speed HP200LX.

But look *HOW* they do it: Almost all of them use gateways to
the web. The gateways process the data and scales it down to
a Palm friendly size. So the real hard work is done outside of
the Palm.

Just think of a HP200LX gateway which converts a web page to
a 640x200 B&W PCX file. A very simple browser could just write
this bitmap to the screen memory and thats it. Transfer back
a pixel coordinate to the gateway and let the gateway decide,
what this "click" into the page shall produce.

I am sure, if there were still a reasonable market for the
HP200LX (more than 100.000 users as in the early 90ies),
D&A would market a very sophisticated browser and run a very
good gateway, thereby earning quite some money.

But this is not the world we are living in, and it won't come
back.

Look at POST/LX, probably the best email client worldwide.
It was possible, but it had an evolution. HV could have
taken a similar way, indeed only with the support of a gateway.

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Ah, that's fairly simple

open the appt book, menu, options, check off daily greeting.

Personally I like this feature, but if i'm using much memory (eg a dos =
application) and do not have appt book open, it nags me that is has not =
enough memory and forces me to close an application..and i cannnot =
choose to kill appt book instead of my dos-app. That is so nasty. I =
don't think there is a solution for that, but if someone has one, would =
you please share it with me (and our fellow listers). Thanks.



Niels

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  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  It's been a long time since I last used the Appointment Book=20
  on my HP 200 LX (I'm using a Palm Vx for the PIM functions).=20
  That's why I forgot how to control this function: since a few=20
  days the appointment book comes up when I switch the HP=20
  on for the first time each day. How do I turn this option off?=20
  Deleting APPT.ADB or APPTBK.ENV does not help.

  Ulrich Boche


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<DIV><FONT color=3D#808080 size=3D2>Ah, that's fairly =
simple</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808080 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808080 size=3D2>open&nbsp;the appt book, menu, =
options, check=20
off daily greeting.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808080 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808080 size=3D2>Personally I like this feature, but =
if i'm using=20
much memory (eg a dos application) and do not have appt book open, it =
nags me=20
that is has not enough memory and forces me to close an application..and =
i=20
cannnot choose to kill appt book instead of my dos-app. That is so =
nasty. I=20
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you=20
please share it with me (and our fellow listers). Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#808080 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808080 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808080 size=3D2>Niels</FONT></DIV>
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title=3DHPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu=20
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function: since=20
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book comes=20
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Hi Avi

13h35m ago Avi Meshar wrote:

> I rather think it would have the opposite effect. When you code something
> and it does not go well, the last thing you need is a bunch of people tell
> you that they NEED THIS THING badly! <g> This may pressure him unnecessarily.
>
> I think it would be more useful to give him moral support if ONE person,
> you probably, write to him and tell him that many of us would love to have
> it, and many of us are supportive of him, and that if he needs any help we
> would be happy to go get it for him.

You are probably right, so I will contact Michael Polak and then report
here.

Thanks
daniel

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Ulrich Boche wrote:
> <br><font size=3D2 face=3D"sans-serif">on for the first time
> each day. How do I turn this option off?</font>
> <br><font size=3D2 face=3D"sans-serif">Deleting APPT.ADB or
> APPTBK.ENV does not help.<br><br>

This is a two step process. For it to work first turn off HTML in your
emailer and leave it off, or you'll incur the wrath of Roy G. Biv. Then
start the appointments on your LX, go to <Menu><Options> and turn off
the last iten, called <Begr=FC=DFung> on a German machine.

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This gateway-idea makes me think...

isn't there someone here that can write a browser like that? *I know there
are ppl who can, but do they want to do so?*
I myself am pretty experienced with TCP/IP programming on a windows
platform, so I could write a gateway, or at least try to. Then there would
be only one thing missing, namely someone who has a 24/7 broadband
connection and is willing to run the gateway (24/7, off course). That can
probably be me if I can get my father to understand it is really neccesary
:) (and I do not have a static IP, but once the system is set up, it will
stay the same unless I've got to reboot).

If there is someone here who want's to team up with me to develop this
software, i'd be glad to free up some time. Of course I am thinking of a
freeware package, since that's the best way to share it among friends. (We
all are some sort of friends, aren't we? :) )


Greetz,


Niels

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Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: ARACHNE WEB BROWSER...200LX MEMORY


Avi Meshar wrote:

> It was actually possible, but not practical - it would take so much time
to
> process each image and each page one would fall asleep viewing <g>...

Sorry, but I really have to contradict:

Look at the Palm world of today. There are about 5-10 browsers
doing color, graphics, frames, https... on a 160x160 pixel
screen in the range of 4 shades of gray up to true color at a
reasonable speed. And the processor speed of a Palm is
comparable to a double speed HP200LX.

But look *HOW* they do it: Almost all of them use gateways to
the web. The gateways process the data and scales it down to
a Palm friendly size. So the real hard work is done outside of
the Palm.

Just think of a HP200LX gateway which converts a web page to
a 640x200 B&W PCX file. A very simple browser could just write
this bitmap to the screen memory and thats it. Transfer back
a pixel coordinate to the gateway and let the gateway decide,
what this "click" into the page shall produce.

I am sure, if there were still a reasonable market for the
HP200LX (more than 100.000 users as in the early 90ies),
D&A would market a very sophisticated browser and run a very
good gateway, thereby earning quite some money.

But this is not the world we are living in, and it won't come
back.

Look at POST/LX, probably the best email client worldwide.
It was possible, but it had an evolution. HV could have
taken a similar way, indeed only with the support of a gateway.

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Page was last modified January 4 2001. I wonder if the info is still valid.
We have had several mentions of this machine in the past, and certainly the
price is enticing enough to try it out.

Avi

At 11/4/02-02:03 AM, Daniel Turner <darksmurf@COX.NET> wrote:
>This could work...
>
>http://www.cadigital.com/poqetpc.htm
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Niels,

This is very interesting, not only for lx use but for desktop
use. I get frustrated with lengthy web site loading time on the
desktop with my slow dial up connection. For the same reasons
many people use Stefan's lxpic on their desktop, they may also
want to use the gateway to access the web, making the potential
audience larger. This may or may not be a good thing depending
on your long term plan.

Regards,
Tom Salwasser

> From: Niels <hp700lx@SOFTHOME.NET>
> > This gateway-idea makes me think...
> Then there would
> > be only one thing missing, namely someone who has a 24/7
> broadband
> > connection and is willing to run the gateway (24/7, off
course
>

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[original message snipped]

BTW, I then see it like this...

the gateway reports itself to my website (which runs PHP)... it stores it's
IP, port number and probably some info (like location, number of online
users, owner). This is usefull if there are more gateways running (like I am
not letting a server running when I'm on vacation for 4 weeks, so it'd be
good if there are more gateways running).

A HP connects to the internet (using this special browser), and retrieves
the list with servers. It will let the user choose which gateway to use.
Browser connects to gateway (maybe a user/pass verification?) and will
request a page by the gateway etc etc (the idea Avi posted).

any additions?
and someone to team up with?



Greetz,


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I don't really care, but it'd give a heavier load on the gateway (so it
might need a faster connection, or need a faster computer.. but that's only
when there is only one gateway and many users are online).

If it's up to me, I't let the gateway also be aware of the different aspect
ratio on the palmtop's display so pages may appear stretched on a desktop.

It'd be a hard thing to do...rendering a webpage .ouch. oh well, I can do
it, i hope.

[n]
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> Niels,
>
> This is very interesting, not only for lx use but for desktop
> use. I get frustrated with lengthy web site loading time on the
> desktop with my slow dial up connection. For the same reasons
> many people use Stefan's lxpic on their desktop, they may also
> want to use the gateway to access the web, making the potential
> audience larger. This may or may not be a good thing depending
> on your long term plan.
>
> Regards,
> Tom Salwasser
>
> From: Niels <hp700lx@SOFTHOME.NET>
> > This gateway-idea makes me think...
> Then there would
> > be only one thing missing, namely someone who has a 24/7
> broadband
> > connection and is willing to run the gateway (24/7, off course
>
>

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At 11/4/02-06:27 AM, Daniel Hertrich <daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE> wrote:
>so I will contact Michael Polak and then report here.

Give him my full encouragement and good wishes. I am looking forward to
your report.

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> I am sure, if there were still a reasonable market for the
> HP200LX (more than 100.000 users as in the early 90ies),
> D&A would market a very sophisticated browser and run a very
> good gateway, thereby earning quite some money.
>
> But this is not the world we are living in, and it won't come
> back.

I think it's doable on the 200lx even without a gateway.  The
screen size is the major limitaion of the Palm.  I remember using
programs on a 7.7 MHz XT to decode GIF files.  It was slow but it
wasn't so bad that that it would be impractical for a browser (if
there was such a thing as browsers, then).  When I got my first 286
which ran at 10 MHz decoding GIFs got fast.  I remember that the
Norton SI number for it was 3.2.  That's 3.2 times as fast as a 7.7
MHz XT.  My single speed 200lx was about 2.2 if I remember right.
That should make a double speed faster than my first AT.

I'm not sure how decoding JPGs and PNGs compares with decoding
GIFs.  I suspect they're more complex, but I don't know how much
more complex.  If they need 10 times the horsepower of a GIF then
maybe I'm wrong.  Or maybe not.  Most of the pictures on the web
are pretty small files.  The files I was decoding back then were
full screen or larger.  Some were several times the size of the
screen.  And that was a Hercules graphics system which meant the
pictures not only had to be converted to black and white, but they
had to be dithered.

Look at the PocketPC units with plenty of horsepower.  They still
rely on gateways, I think.  My guess is their major limitation is
screen size, not processing power.

I have to admit I don't have much knowlege in this area.  I read a
couple of articles on WAP development but I've never seen it used.
I've never used a modem on my 200lx or my Palm.

I do agree that with the 200lx the gateway seems far more
practical.  So is the problem the lack of a gateway or lack of a
200lx client for existing gateways?  Can they be accessed with a
proper client?

I can't remember just how WAP works.  Is the specific screen size a
client concern or a gateway concern?  It would seem that it would
be client-dependant since there are so many different screen sizes.
If not, there are enough horizontal handhelds that are probably
close to the 200lx screen size that there are probably already
gateways for them.

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The Poqet is a good machine. The main drawback of the CalDigital ones is
that the model they have, the Plus (the last of three: Classic with 512K
RAM, Prime with 640K RAM, and Plus), uses built-in nicads, which are often
dead or almost so (being that they are almost 10 years old). There are ways
to replace the nicads, but it takes a bit of work. The New Jersey QRP
amateur radio site (www.njqrp.orq) had info on replacing the batteries, but
I can't check that site now to see if it is still there (my company blocks
that site for some reason).

Poqets are often available on eBay -- usually Classics or Primes (and the
seller usually doesn't know the difference and doesn't tell you which model
is offered).

The Poqet is larger than an LX -- definitely not pocketable. Its screen font
is also smaller, and harder to read, I think. The PCMCIA slot can use _some_
modems and small flash cards, but not network cards, IIRC. The earlier two
models cannot use Flash RAM cards, only SRAM. The built-in apps are not as
good as those in the LX. For example, there is no Lotus and the text program
can only edit files of 4000 bytes (exactly, not 4K bytes). Battery life is
good (on my PQ-0181, the middle model), though. And the keyboard is larger,
with real keys.

All in all, I wouldn't call the Poqet a replacement for the LX, both in
terms of functionality and availability.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: A replacement for the HPLX?


Page was last modified January 4 2001. I wonder if the info is still valid.
We have had several mentions of this machine in the past, and certainly the
price is enticing enough to try it out.

Avi

At 11/4/02-02:03 AM, Daniel Turner <darksmurf@COX.NET> wrote:
>This could work...
>
>http://www.cadigital.com/poqetpc.htm
>

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:13:38 +0000
From: Michael Polak <xchaos@arachne.cz>
To: Daniel Hertrich <daniel.hertrich@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: Arachne for 200LX

Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> I'd like to ask you how the Arachne for 200LX project is going on.
> Recently the discussion about a useful web browser for the palmtop
> appeared again on the HPLX mailing list, as it does regularily every
> few months.

Hmm, I am closer to start the optimization work then ever before,
because it is just one month since I got my new Siemens MT50 working
with HP-LX (same cable as for C35i, works fine). This means I can use
GPRS to go online (and debug Arachne), which is really much cheaper and
faster then 9600 bps GSM. So far I managed to run it at 19200 bps, I
don't know, if it is hardware limitation of HP-LX, or what, I got
connection with comtool.com even with ^b4 or ^b5, but EPPPD won't work
with baud rate 33600.

> Many people seem to need a good web browser on the palmtop, all
> existent browsers don't support frames, images or other important
> things (https...), so Arachne would be the ideal solution for many
> people's problems.

Arachne gives poor results in 640x480 mode, and I as I told before, it
won't work without image conversion proxy (but my GPRS provider t-mobile
already offers one...). Arachne won't support https any time soon - at
least not without linking openssl library, which won't work in 16bit
enviroment. Well, one solution would be to contact SSHDOS and CTMOUSE
author.

To be true, I use HP-LX exclusively with SSHDOS - it is the greatest
think I can use it for, I do barely some notes in Volkov Commander, and
that's all I use HP-LX for. I have batch file which connects to PPP over
GPRS, loads EPPPD driver, and launches SSHDOS, I log to my main unix
server, and do all work online, using cell phone. I use Links browser,
which supports tables even in text mode (unlike links), and while
Slashdot in Arachne on HP-LX is almost unusable, Slahsdot and other
servers is perfectly readable in Links running over GPRS on HP-LX
screen... I know about no other solution as useful as GPRS/HP-LX
combination, because no other palmtop (except Psion, maybe) supports
80x25 characters screen, ideal for unix terminal... you can forward this
to HP-LX mailing list ;-)

> On the list we agreed that I ask you and offer you that you will get
> any help we can give you, if you need any. I for my part will gladly
> forward any inquiries from you to the list.

Compiling Arachne for HP-LX was already done several times. It means
excluding enough features to be able to compile Arachne without
overlays, to make it run faster. And also bugs in CGA support must be
fixed, which will be hard, and also support for EGA/VGA/SVGA should be
excluded, which may be hard, but it may save lot of memory. Support for
Hicolor modes and virtual screens can be excluded easily, which I have
done while attempting to compile Arachne for CGA.

Maybe completely different library with support for CGA-only should be
used: maybe Borland BGI ? What do you suggest ? Maybe it would help to
replace my library with some smaller CGA library. But existing library
supports variable width fonts converted from Windows 3.1.... they main
reason why I am still using this library...

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Hi Barry,

about WAP... It uses a gateway (why would I have to fill in a gateway if it
won't be used?) but I don't know why. Wap sites use a special makup language
(sort-of html) and .wbmp graphics. Maybe the gateway is used if a normal
website is requested. I don't like wap, btw, I find the display to small for
real use. I used it a few times but did not find it usefull. Why look up a
restaurant with your wap-phone if you can also walk in a street with many
restaurants and choose one of your liking, that is much more fun.


Niels

[n]
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stefan" <hplx@PGDN.DE>
> To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:13 AM
> Subject: Re: ARACHNE WEB BROWSER...200LX MEMORY
>
>
> > I am sure, if there were still a reasonable market for the
> > HP200LX (more than 100.000 users as in the early 90ies),
> > D&A would market a very sophisticated browser and run a very
> > good gateway, thereby earning quite some money.
> >
> > But this is not the world we are living in, and it won't come
> > back.
>
> I think it's doable on the 200lx even without a gateway.  The
> screen size is the major limitaion of the Palm.  I remember using
> programs on a 7.7 MHz XT to decode GIF files.  It was slow but it
> wasn't so bad that that it would be impractical for a browser (if
> there was such a thing as browsers, then).  When I got my first 286
> which ran at 10 MHz decoding GIFs got fast.  I remember that the
> Norton SI number for it was 3.2.  That's 3.2 times as fast as a 7.7
> MHz XT.  My single speed 200lx was about 2.2 if I remember right.
> That should make a double speed faster than my first AT.
>
> I'm not sure how decoding JPGs and PNGs compares with decoding
> GIFs.  I suspect they're more complex, but I don't know how much
> more complex.  If they need 10 times the horsepower of a GIF then
> maybe I'm wrong.  Or maybe not.  Most of the pictures on the web
> are pretty small files.  The files I was decoding back then were
> full screen or larger.  Some were several times the size of the
> screen.  And that was a Hercules graphics system which meant the
> pictures not only had to be converted to black and white, but they
> had to be dithered.
>
> Look at the PocketPC units with plenty of horsepower.  They still
> rely on gateways, I think.  My guess is their major limitation is
> screen size, not processing power.
>
> I have to admit I don't have much knowlege in this area.  I read a
> couple of articles on WAP development but I've never seen it used.
> I've never used a modem on my 200lx or my Palm.
>
> I do agree that with the 200lx the gateway seems far more
> practical.  So is the problem the lack of a gateway or lack of a
> 200lx client for existing gateways?  Can they be accessed with a
> proper client?
>
> I can't remember just how WAP works.  Is the specific screen size a
> client concern or a gateway concern?  It would seem that it would
> be client-dependant since there are so many different screen sizes.
> If not, there are enough horizontal handhelds that are probably
> close to the 200lx screen size that there are probably already
> gateways for them.
>
> Barry
>
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Hi all,

I think the WAP technology relies on server side process mostly. If I know
correctly, WAP gateway finds the web page requested first and then converts
it to WML (wireless markup language). During this process, most of the
graphics, animations, audio files, frames, forms and other special non-WML
format is taken out in order to make the page good enough on the small
screen of the cellular device. Similarly, if there was a process on a server
dedicated to 200LX only, the connection would be much faster and better.

Most of the web pages are still not very easy to download with dial-up
connections even for some old PCs. It seems that, without a WAP-like
process, no matter how successful the software is, it will always be slow on
a 200LX compared to a PC. However, it is always a very nice feeling to have
email and web connection always in your pocket no matter what the speed is.

A. G. OZISIK

Email: palmtoppc@cs.com
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[snip]
  However, it is always a very nice feeling to have
> email and web connection always in your pocket no matter what the speed
is.

I agree, but it'd be nicer to have it fast(er) :)


if I get this of the ground, it'd be very cool for everyone wanting mobile
connectivity on his (her) hplx, I think.

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On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Niels wrote:

> I don't really care, but it'd give a heavier load on the gateway (so it
> might need a faster connection, or need a faster computer.. but that's only
> when there is only one gateway and many users are online).
>
> If it's up to me, I't let the gateway also be aware of the different aspect
> ratio on the palmtop's display so pages may appear stretched on a desktop.
>
> It'd be a hard thing to do...rendering a webpage .ouch. oh well, I can do
> it, i hope.


I would be willing to run a gateway on my system.

Actually, I started working on a project like this at one time.
The idea was that someone could submit a url either through hv
or email and a pcx file of that webpage would be returned. Of
course it would have been view-only and one page at a time, so I
sort of lost interest.

I don't think a view-only system would be too hard to setup. A
client on the LX would only have to display pcx files, and be
able to send http requests to the gateway. The gateway would
grab the page, convert to pcx and send it back to the client.
The gateway part is doable with existing software.

The difficulty would be to make it interactive, able to follow
links, and fill in forms, etc.

Mike

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how far are you with rendering a webpage?

I see more in a gateway that would simplify the html-file (shorter tags,
8bit instead of 7 (so you don't have things like &amp; etc), include all
image sizes, strip java/vbscript stuff) and if an image is requested, send
it as a bw pcx image.

The browser would render the page on the palmtop but it'd be easier then it
is now. Sending a complete page as pcx is likely to be larger then the
original document tough it'd be the easiest way to make a browser for the
lx.

Niels

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> On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Niels wrote:
>
> > I don't really care, but it'd give a heavier load on the gateway (so it
> > might need a faster connection, or need a faster computer.. but that's
only
> > when there is only one gateway and many users are online).
> >
> > If it's up to me, I't let the gateway also be aware of the different
aspect
> > ratio on the palmtop's display so pages may appear stretched on a
desktop.
> >
> > It'd be a hard thing to do...rendering a webpage .ouch. oh well, I can
do
> > it, i hope.
>
>
> I would be willing to run a gateway on my system.
>
> Actually, I started working on a project like this at one time.
> The idea was that someone could submit a url either through hv
> or email and a pcx file of that webpage would be returned. Of
> course it would have been view-only and one page at a time, so I
> sort of lost interest.
>
> I don't think a view-only system would be too hard to setup. A
> client on the LX would only have to display pcx files, and be
> able to send http requests to the gateway. The gateway would
> grab the page, convert to pcx and send it back to the client.
> The gateway part is doable with existing software.
>
> The difficulty would be to make it interactive, able to follow
> links, and fill in forms, etc.
>
> Mike
>
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At 11/4/02-09:16 AM, Barry <barry@FBTC.NET> wrote:
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>
>
> > I am sure, if there were still a reasonable market for the
> > HP200LX (more than 100.000 users as in the early 90ies),
> > D&A would market a very sophisticated browser and run a very
> > good gateway, thereby earning quite some money.

Stefan, that is what we looked at. Technically it was simply not feasible.

> >
> > But this is not the world we are living in, and it won't come
> > back.
>
>I think it's doable on the 200lx even without a gateway.  The
>screen size is the major limitaion of the Palm.

Barry, this is a secondary, and really not a major problem. The REAL
problem is program memory. Simply not enough. I have said it here many
times, but for some reason, people seem to not hear it: The memory
available to the program is INSUFFICIENT. That is the one major,
over-riding, most difficult-to-overcome issue. All else is technically
possible and even doable, and even possible within practical limits.

Almost everything you write below is solvable, BUT: you assume that you
have memory, lots of it, so the programs can do what they need. That is NOT
the case. When you add the memory augmentation schemes (using disk and
other storage), suddenly the problem adds other dimensions: (1) robust code
to manage the memory, (2) FAST code to manage the memory (3) ability to
split tasks so they can be solved in chunks, (4) Speed is now VERY low and
one can fall asleep while viewing webpages.

So with a HUGE amount of work to make lots of code, and solve lots of
programming issues, you gain now some beast that is so slow it is not usable.

Again - this was our assessment. We looked at it probably 5 or 6 times VERY
SERIOUSLY. We did very detailed studies and analyses. We concluded that it
is not possible to create a usable product.

We then added another aspect to the analysis, that of development in the
web: You know as well as I, that every week brings a new "doodad" to the
web. Now it is flash, next month some other invention. People use these
things in the webpages. Browsers keep up, but they are the big boys at 7mb
or 10mb. That is not what we have here.

Some people say, well, don't worry about new stuff - just do what is on the
market today. Yeah, right! The people who say that will be the first to
send angry emails about "how come you don't support "doodad XYZ"? So one
must include this aspect in the scope of the work as well. That turns the
project into a nightmare, especially if it is a product for sale.

So here you have it. Someone may find it possible to do, perhaps Michael
Polak? But I already read, about what he excludes, and parts will be missed
sorely.

I hope he is successful and that it propels him to do even more. Our
analysis said it was not feasible for us to do, for technical reasons. If
we are proven wrong, I will be FULL OF SMILES! Believe me...

Avi



>   I remember using
>programs on a 7.7 MHz XT to decode GIF files.  It was slow but it
>wasn't so bad that that it would be impractical for a browser (if
>there was such a thing as browsers, then).  When I got my first 286
>which ran at 10 MHz decoding GIFs got fast.  I remember that the
>Norton SI number for it was 3.2.  That's 3.2 times as fast as a 7.7
>MHz XT.  My single speed 200lx was about 2.2 if I remember right.
>That should make a double speed faster than my first AT.
>
>I'm not sure how decoding JPGs and PNGs compares with decoding
>GIFs.  I suspect they're more complex, but I don't know how much
>more complex.  If they need 10 times the horsepower of a GIF then
>maybe I'm wrong.  Or maybe not.  Most of the pictures on the web
>are pretty small files.  The files I was decoding back then were
>full screen or larger.  Some were several times the size of the
>screen.  And that was a Hercules graphics system which meant the
>pictures not only had to be converted to black and white, but they
>had to be dithered.
>
>Look at the PocketPC units with plenty of horsepower.  They still
>rely on gateways, I think.  My guess is their major limitation is
>screen size, not processing power.
>
>I have to admit I don't have much knowlege in this area.  I read a
>couple of articles on WAP development but I've never seen it used.
>I've never used a modem on my 200lx or my Palm.
>
>I do agree that with the 200lx the gateway seems far more
>practical.  So is the problem the lack of a gateway or lack of a
>200lx client for existing gateways?  Can they be accessed with a
>proper client?
>
>I can't remember just how WAP works.  Is the specific screen size a
>client concern or a gateway concern?  It would seem that it would
>be client-dependant since there are so many different screen sizes.
>If not, there are enough horizontal handhelds that are probably
>close to the 200lx screen size that there are probably already
>gateways for them.
>
>Barry
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Hi Stefan and Avi

05h08m ago Stefan wrote:

> But look *HOW* they do it: Almost all of them use gateways to
> the web. The gateways process the data and scales it down to
> a Palm friendly size. So the real hard work is done outside of
> the Palm.

That is exactly what Michael Polak is planning to do. He wants to use
an image proxy, which converts images to b/w PCX or so.

daniel

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The new t-mobile gateway does this.

http://www.t-mobile.com/products/overview.asp?phoneid=165302


I believe the device itself is pretty dumbed down and the content and
software is all delivered through gateways. I think they can even upgrade it
on-the-fly becuase the device is supposedly a display terminal and nothing
else.

I was thinking of getting one but I'm still locked in to my current phone
plan. The sales guy said that they got a 14-day 'nah, I don't like it'
return policy for a full refund.




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> On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Niels wrote:
>
> > I don't really care, but it'd give a heavier load on the gateway (so it
> > might need a faster connection, or need a faster computer.. but that's
only
> > when there is only one gateway and many users are online).

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Seems to be a nice little machine, it even has an instant messaging proggy
aboard (it locks you to AOL messenger but it's better then nothing). And you
can attach a camera to it if I understood well. _very_ cool!
(I like gadgets :))
But it seems to be a very dumb terminal indeed, with no other capabilities
than webbrowsing, email, IM-ming and games. (If you can download games for
it, like with those new NOKIA's which can run JAVA, there are of course more
things you can do, for a game doesn't always have to be a game :) can be
anything then)

They don't clearly state is this $199 price is only valid 'in combination
with a 2 year plan' or something alike. I don't know if you are obligated to
buy it together with a plan, but if not it's dirt cheap. Otherwise it
depends on the plan it's bundled with :)
I won't buy it tough, for
    1) there don't really seem to be other uses for this thing (altough
anything can be hacked >:) );
    2) I do not live in the US so obviously a 1900mhz phone is not really
what I need;
    3) I'm happy with my HP;
    and
    4) I don't have the money anyway.

Still a nice thingy to have, as is the Blackberry thing (a portable email
thingy, pretty expensive :( )

I really like the XDA but I don't know any non-dutch info about that. It is
a handheld shopping-list-computer (like palm etc) running pocket pc or so,
color display, and it's a phone at the same time. It does have GPRS of
course and a browser I espect to run fairly well. Pretty cool and very
expensive... (and WHERE IS THE KEYBOARD??? aaarg, there is none...)


Greetz,


Niels

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> The new t-mobile gateway does this.
>
> http://www.t-mobile.com/products/overview.asp?phoneid=165302
>
>
> I believe the device itself is pretty dumbed down and the content and
> software is all delivered through gateways. I think they can even upgrade
it
> on-the-fly becuase the device is supposedly a display terminal and nothing
> else.
>
> I was thinking of getting one but I'm still locked in to my current phone
> plan. The sales guy said that they got a 14-day 'nah, I don't like it'
> return policy for a full refund.
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Niels wrote:
> >
> > > I don't really care, but it'd give a heavier load on the gateway (so
it
> > > might need a faster connection, or need a faster computer.. but that's
> only
> > > when there is only one gateway and many users are online).
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Niels wrote:
> Hi Barry,
> about WAP...
> I used it a few times but did not find it usefull.
> Why look up a restaurant with your wap-phone if you
> can also walk in a street with many restaurants and
> choose one of your liking, that is much more fun.

Didn't take me a couple of tries to find that out. The only possibly
useful application I could think of was a train time table. As I
understood it, WAP hangs up and reconnects while you read stuff, but
when connected it costs the same as talking. To find a connection takes
lots of input pages with that dreadful keyboard. It is much nicer,
easier, and cheaper too to just call their enquiries and let the nice
lady look it up for you.

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04h02m ago Barry wrote:

> I do agree that with the 200lx the gateway seems far more
> practical.  So is the problem the lack of a gateway or lack of a
> 200lx client for existing gateways?  Can they be accessed with a
> proper client?

I remember that I contacted the people running www.digitalpaths.com to
add HV to the browsers they do conversion for. www.digitalpaths.com is
such a gateway service. And I think it really worked. I'm just trying
to access their web site, but without success so far.
They were quite eloquent about their methods, and they were open for
suggestion which conversion features to add for a specific browser
identification. So maybe we have a gateway already.

The URL they used that time for URL entry was www.digitalpath.net,
which offered a field for URL entry and then you would receive the
requested document converted for your browser. However,
www.digitalpath.net now seems to be used by another servive.
But www.digitalpaths.com, which was their homepage, seems not to be
accessible at the moment. Will keep trying...

Also see my posting from Feb 2000:
http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/hplx-l/0002/msg00800.html

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> Actually, I started working on a project like this at one time.
> The idea was that someone could submit a url either through hv
> or email and a pcx file of that webpage would be returned. Of
> course it would have been view-only and one page at a time, so I
> sort of lost interest.

Wouldn't sending a PCX image file be slower than sending HTML-like
stuff?  I would think it would.

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> Barry, this is a secondary, and really not a major problem. The
REAL
> problem is program memory. Simply not enough. I have said it here
many
> times, but for some reason, people seem to not hear it: The
memory
> available to the program is INSUFFICIENT. That is the one major,
> over-riding, most difficult-to-overcome issue. All else is
technically
> possible and even doable, and even possible within practical
limits.

I hear you.  I just don't agree.  I might be wrong about the 200lx
having enough speed.  I'm less sure of that.

There's no question of a 32 meg 200lx having enough memory.
Programs that have limited system memory can be written with
overlays.  A certain area of the program is reserved for modules
that aren't needed all the time and they're pulled into system
memory into that area as needed.  Modules stayed on disk until
needed.  Windows and probably linux do that with DLLs, paging and
swapping.  The 200lx with 32 meg has the advantage that it's disk
is really sram and very very fast, so this is ideally suited to the
200lx.  Both Turbo C 2.0 and MS C 5 and 6 support overlays so the
programmer doesn't even have to do all the work.

If you're saying you can't write Internet Explorer and Outlook
Express and make them full featured and fast on the 200lx, no
argument.  But who would want to do that?

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At 11/4/02-05:29 PM, Barry wrote:
>I hear you.

Thank you.

>I just don't agree.  I might be wrong about the 200lx having enough
>speed.  I'm less sure of that.
>
>There's no question of a 32 meg 200lx having enough memory.

No. The 32MB machine has the same MEMORY (where programs run!) as a 1MB
machine - 640K (a bit less.) What the 32MB machine has is memory that is
used as STORAGE - as a disk drive. Programs DO NOT RUN in this space, only
in the 640K. I am SURE you know this.

>Programs that have limited system memory can be written with
>overlays.

The space for this is very tight, only 64K.

This means that you swap A LOT, and that means that your machine gasps for
air constanly, even the double speeded machine. That means that by the time
it finishes painting the screen, you have fallen asleep.

>A certain area of the program is reserved for modules
>that aren't needed all the time and they're pulled into system
>memory into that area as needed.  Modules stayed on disk until
>needed.  Windows and probably linux do that with DLLs, paging and
>swapping.

Sort of, but their memory model allows them to address large memories,
while the palmtop can address only small memory. Hence the need for swapping.

>The 200lx with 32 meg has the advantage that it's disk is really sram and
>very very fast, so this is ideally suited to the 200lx.  Both Turbo C 2.0
>and MS C 5 and 6 support overlays so the programmer doesn't even have to
>do all the work.

All this is correct. All this, and many more factors were considered - I am
sure you can imagine that the programmers on this were GOOD!!!

>If you're saying you can't write Internet Explorer and Outlook Express and
>make them full featured and fast on the 200lx, no argument.  But who would
>want to do that?

Then you do not want a browser that can process the files that a modern
browser can, right? You want something less? Why not use HV? --- Because it
is pitifully weak and unable to process a huge part of what is available on
the Web.

If you want to come close, you need lots of code, more than can be
accommodated on the Palmtop. I know it is a hard message to swallow - I had
a horrible time with it too, but let's face it - this is reality, not what
we wish it to be.

I am not suggesting to run behemoths like MSIE or NS, but even Opera has a
hard time coping with many "doodads" on the Web! And it is already 7800K in
memory while running. Good luck in accepting this message: I seriously
doubt that a good browser will ever run on the Palmtop. It may be possible
to circumvent the issue by running the gateway as Niels (and others) suggest.

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On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Barry wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Kopplin" <kopplin@TECHNOIR.NU>
>
> > Actually, I started working on a project like this at one time.
> > The idea was that someone could submit a url either through hv
> > or email and a pcx file of that webpage would be returned. Of
> > course it would have been view-only and one page at a time, so I
> > sort of lost interest.
>
> Wouldn't sending a PCX image file be slower than sending HTML-like
> stuff?  I would think it would.

Well, that depends on the web page and what is done with it. I
often look at cnn's home page so I'll take that as an example.
The current page consisted of 75 files which total 520k. I
rendered this to a pcx which is 135k at 8bpp b&w or 99k for 1bpp
b&w. If some gateway system were to keep the graphics, then
there would still be a lot of little pcx files to send.

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Hi,

known file manager for Windows, Total (formerly Windows) Commander,
can communicate f.e. with Windows CE machines via plugins. Would be
some of HPLX guru able to write this plugins for with HPLX (Filer
protocol)=3F On site www.ghisler.com are sample and programers guide.

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> Good luck to you!

OK, now I know what I want (166Mhz+80MB+Floppy). I still need to convince
myself that I need a new toy and then I will watch eBay for a good deal
shipping to Switzerland.

Thanks for replying to my OT post.

 \/
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Date:         Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:59:05 -0700
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On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Niels wrote:

> how far are you with rendering a webpage?

I had used the various software components manually to generate
a pcx from a web page, but I hadn't gotten around to tying it
all together. Like I said, I lost interest, and there's never
enough time to do the things I need to do.


> I see more in a gateway that would simplify the html-file (shorter tags,
> 8bit instead of 7 (so you don't have things like &amp; etc), include all
> image sizes, strip java/vbscript stuff) and if an image is requested, send
> it as a bw pcx image.

I see more this way too, but I think even rendering simple html
would be a lot of work. To be an improvement over HV though, I
think it would have to support the more "advanced" features of
html, such as tables, frames, multiple forms, etc.


> The browser would render the page on the palmtop but it'd be easier then it
> is now. Sending a complete page as pcx is likely to be larger then the
> original document tough it'd be the easiest way to make a browser for the
> lx.


Regarding pcx size, see my response to Barry's post. As for
easier, yes, if viewing a page was enough, but I think it would
be a challenge to implement links, forms, etc.

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dutch : omshakelaar
english : ?
french : ?

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Could it be possible to get a free ride with thoose existing gateways
that Palm and PocketPC browsers use?

So that the gateway thinks it is a plam that connects and the hp200lx
recives the answer and adapt it to the screen.



      /tomas moberg
                       Uppsala

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and now to the list :)

[n]
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From: "Niels" <hp700lx@softhome.net>
To: "Michael Kopplin" <kopplin@TECHNOIR.NU>
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>
>
> [n]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Kopplin" <kopplin@TECHNOIR.NU>
> To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Web Gateway was ARACHNE WEB BROWSER
>
>
> > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Niels wrote:
> >
> > > how far are you with rendering a webpage?
> >
> > I had used the various software components manually to generate
> > a pcx from a web page, but I hadn't gotten around to tying it
> > all together. Like I said, I lost interest, and there's never
> > enough time to do the things I need to do.
> >
> ah ok.
>
> >
> > > I see more in a gateway that would simplify the html-file (shorter
tags,
> > > 8bit instead of 7 (so you don't have things like &amp; etc), include
all
> > > image sizes, strip java/vbscript stuff) and if an image is requested,
> send
> > > it as a bw pcx image.
> >
> > I see more this way too, but I think even rendering simple html
> > would be a lot of work. To be an improvement over HV though, I
> > think it would have to support the more "advanced" features of
> > html, such as tables, frames, multiple forms, etc.
> >
> idd...it's some descision to make... the gateway is [ or should be ] a
fast
> computer, that can build the page very fast, so sending it as an image
would
> result in a longer transfertime but a short render-time on the palmtop.
>
> >
> > > The browser would render the page on the palmtop but it'd be easier
then
> it
> > > is now. Sending a complete page as pcx is likely to be larger then the
> > > original document tough it'd be the easiest way to make a browser for
> the
> > > lx.
> >
> >
> > Regarding pcx size, see my response to Barry's post. As for
> > easier, yes, if viewing a page was enough, but I think it would
> > be a challenge to implement links, forms, etc.
> >
>
> links can be send as co-ordinates and a address (like
> link:10,10,40,16,"http://....") all the browser had to do is draw a little
> rectangle as the link is selected. if it is clicked (or 'entered' on the
> palmtop :) ) a request with the url provided is sent. this is quite easy
to
> do, i think.
> Same goes for forms etc. ( text:10,10,40,16,"name"
> pass:10,20,40,26,"password" submit:10,30,30,40,post,"http://..."  if the
> button is 'clicked' it will request the indicated file and send the
> variables to the gateway, and tell it to just POST (or GET))
>
> I hope you get the examples, the first four arguments are the co-ordinates
> in the pcx-file the others are specific for the object.
>
> This way the browser remains very simple (compared to a browser that needs
> to render it all alone) and will be interactive.
>
>
> Niels
>
> Just a little thinking, might not be the perfect thing.
>
>
> > Mike
> >
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english: switch
french: a 'schakelaar' would be: interrupteur, but an 'omschakelaar' can
also switch two lines

oh well... fear my ascii-art :D

      o----   1
     /
----o

      o----   2

its like this, it can switch between those lines 1 and 2 :)

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dutch : omshakelaar
english : ?
french : ?

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--
01h42m ago Marc BERLIOUX wrote:

> dutch : omshakelaar    omschakelen
> english : ?            to reverse
> french : ?             inverser

That comes from Windi7. May not be what you want. I am not
Dutch and don't know the grammatical origin of the "laar".
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I just did the test

When rendered a 2kb textfile becomes abt. 12kb as pcx or 9.5kb as gif.
That's about 5 times as large as the original document so 5 times more
transfer time (and 5 times as expensive to load with a gsm (altough on a
9600b connection it does not matter that much, for you also pay if you read
the page for you are still connected).




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I'd say in french : interrupteur bidirectionnel, and maybe
bidirectional switch??

Etienne
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dutch : omshakelaar
english : ?
french : ?

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Michael Kopplin wrote:

> I don't think a view-only system would be too hard to setup. A
> client on the LX would only have to display pcx files, and be
> able to send http requests to the gateway. The gateway would
> grab the page, convert to pcx and send it back to the client.
> The gateway part is doable with existing software.

My basic idea in more detail:

- a palmtop connected to the gateway invokes a real browser
  (Opera) on the gateway in a 640x200 window. So all scaling
  is already done by the real browser itself.

- the browser sends out screenshots of the 640x200 window as
  B&W PCX files to the palmtop at a regular beat. An average
  PCX file of CGA size is < 10KB. Depending on the connection
  speed the palmtop screen will be refreshed about every
  3 seconds.

- the palmtop sends out cursorpositions, "mouse clicks" and
  keystrokes which "remote control" the real browser on the
  gateway. That way, one could even use the scroll bars and
  pull down menues of the real browser. In other words:
  The latest Opera, IE or Netscape version is "running" on
  the palmtop.

Such a concept, if feasible, needs almost nothing on the
palmtop side. No memory, no cache, no HTML decoding, no java,
no frame support, no picture decoding...

But you always have a full graphical browser, supporting the
latest features and never needs an update.

> The difficulty would be to make it interactive, able to follow
> links, and fill in forms, etc.

I agree, and downloads should be possible too. So some kind of
protocol has to be defined between palmtop and gateway, if it
should become more than a passive browser for surfing only.

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        +----------------------------------------------+=09=09
        |        Tuesday, 2002-11-05 13:37 +0200       |=09=09
        +----------------------------------------------+=09=09

 Hi Marc BERLIOUX ! =09=09

Wouldn't the proper English translation be simply "switch"?
I looked in an old Engels-Nederlands dictionary from my days
with Philips and at least "schakelaar" was there, meaning a
knob to turn. In Swedish there is practically the same
word,"omkopplare", meaning usually an electrical switch (not
wall switch) that changes between several circuits.
i am sure in German there is a similar word with same meaning.

Regards

Hans Jacob

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> dutch : omshakelaar
> english : ?
> french : ?
>
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Are you sure? The Poqet Plus has a _backlit_ LCD, but IIRC it is not a
_touchscreen_.

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and it does have an excellent feature .. touchscreen !

..pk
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> At 11/4/02-05:29 PM, Barry wrote:
>>
> >There's no question of a 32 meg 200lx having enough memory.
>
> No. The 32MB machine has the same MEMORY (where programs run!) as
a 1MB
> machine - 640K (a bit less.) What the 32MB machine has is memory
that is
> used as STORAGE - as a disk drive. Programs DO NOT RUN in this
space, only
> in the 640K. I am SURE you know this.

I know this.  That's why I mentioned overlays.

> >Programs that have limited system memory can be written with
> >overlays.
>
> The space for this is very tight, only 64K.

Not true.  I haven't used Turbo C's or MS C's overlay facilities.
I learned to write my own long before these existed.  When you
write your own you don't have such limits.  I suspect that if Turbo
or MS C does have those limits they wouldn't really matter anyway.

> This means that you swap A LOT, and that means that your machine
gasps for
> air constanly, even the double speeded machine. That means that
by the time
> it finishes painting the screen, you have fallen asleep.

Swapping a lot from RAM isn't anything like swapping a lot from
disk.  And this isn't swapping.  Swapping means writing and
reading.  Overlays usually just mean reading and discarding.

> >A certain area of the program is reserved for modules
> >that aren't needed all the time and they're pulled into system
> >memory into that area as needed.  Modules stayed on disk until
> >needed.  Windows and probably linux do that with DLLs, paging
and
> >swapping.
>
> Sort of, but their memory model allows them to address large
memories,
> while the palmtop can address only small memory. Hence the need
for swapping.

Memory model doesn't matter at all.  This can be done in any memory
model.  Medium or large would be the best choice but it wouldn't be
that hard to do it as a tiny or small model program.  Memory models
are a convenience provided by the compiler.  Nothing more.  They
tell the compiler and linker what size branches to use and how long
addresses will be.  The programmer can do this explicitely.  In
fact in most systems that's how it works in assembly.  I never
heard of a memory model till I began working on Intel CPUs.  But
most CPUs have short and long versions of memory accessing
instructions.

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> On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Barry wrote:
>
> Well, that depends on the web page and what is done with it. I
> often look at cnn's home page so I'll take that as an example.
> The current page consisted of 75 files which total 520k. I
> rendered this to a pcx which is 135k at 8bpp b&w or 99k for 1bpp
> b&w. If some gateway system were to keep the graphics, then
> there would still be a lot of little pcx files to send.

Good point!

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Michael Kopplin wrote:
>
>> The difficulty would be to make it interactive, able to follow
>> links, and fill in forms, etc.
>
> I agree, and downloads should be possible too. So some kind of
> protocol has to be defined between palmtop and gateway, if it
> should become more than a passive browser for surfing only.

For links that wouldn't take much.  The gateway could send the
screen position and length of the links along with some kind of
numeric handle.  That could be highlighted on the LX (or by the
gateway before making the PCX) and when clicked on (or the cursor
moved over it and Enter pressed) on the 200lx, that handle could be
sent back to the gateway to indicate that link has been clicked on.
That would take care of maps as well.

Forms would be trickier but they could use the same principle.

Really complex forms with a lot of blanks to fill in would be a
problem because of screen size.  Scrolling could help deal with
that.  But that means larger PCX files.

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Wouldn't it be better just to port VNC to the palmtop - then you could do
everything !

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That would really be great ;) if someone CAN do that hehe

i'd say, go ahead (and good luck :D)

but then everyone needs his/hers very own gateway(vnc server). And it'll be
a _very_ hard job to get a 640x480x256color display rendered on a 640x480
monochrome display in a way you can still make out what the original image
was... (sorry for being pessimistic but i'm just seeing possible problems)


Niels

[n]
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:36 PM
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> Wouldn't it be better just to port VNC to the palmtop - then you could do
> everything !
>
> William D.Ll.Brown
>
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At 11/5/02-12:59 AM, Michael Kopplin <kopplin@TECHNOIR.NU> wrote:
>I see more this way too, but I think even rendering simple html
>would be a lot of work. To be an improvement over HV though, I
>think it would have to support the more "advanced" features of
>html, such as tables, frames, multiple forms, etc.

Doing more than HV does is not really a tall order ;-) but it would be good
to do it off the palmtop if possible. Don't forget other items such as
DHTML and CSS - which many corporate pages use.

Seems to me that it may be easier to do some things on the server, and the
rest on the palmtop. E.g. Forms filling on the palmtop, but forms editing
(presumably originally client-side javascript) would be better running on
the gateway server. This will make for an additional interaction and slow
things down, but probably make it _possible_. Other parts may be better
rendered on the gateway then made into a PCX of GIF, then sent to the palmtop.

This also means that a new rendering engine should be present on the
palmtop. Let me see what we can do from our side to open the API. I cannot
promise anything, but will definitely look into it. That will bring "into
the fold" a bunch of WWW/LX users as well as the non-WWW/LX users! Now we
are cooking! <vbg>

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Date:         Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:32:10 -0700
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I think you are thinking of the Fujitsu tablet computers, not the Poqets.
Poqet was bought by Fujitsu, which was the owner when the Plus model came
out, but it does not have a touch screen. Neither the Classic or the Prime
(made and sold by the original Poqet Computer Corp.) had touchscreens, of
that I am sure.

The screens are 640x200 CGA/MDA, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: pksharma [mailto:pksharma@cal.vsnl.net.in]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:54 AM
To: Feldman, Robert
Subject: Re: Re: A replacement for the HPLX?


dunno abt the plus model .. but poqets definitely have touch
screens
and one minus point too .. cga screens .. not vga

..pk


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> Are you sure? The Poqet Plus has a _backlit_ LCD, but IIRC it
is not a
> _touchscreen_.

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At 11/5/02-06:34 AM, Stefan <hplx@PGDN.DE> wrote:
>My basic idea in more detail:
>
>- a palmtop connected to the gateway invokes a real browser
>   (Opera) on the gateway in a 640x200 window. So all scaling
>   is already done by the real browser itself.
>
>- the browser sends out screenshots of the 640x200 window as
>   B&W PCX files to the palmtop at a regular beat. An average
>   PCX file of CGA size is < 10KB. Depending on the connection
>   speed the palmtop screen will be refreshed about every
>   3 seconds.
>
>- the palmtop sends out cursorpositions, "mouse clicks" and
>   keystrokes which "remote control" the real browser on the
>   gateway. That way, one could even use the scroll bars and
>   pull down menues of the real browser. In other words:
>   The latest Opera, IE or Netscape version is "running" on
>   the palmtop.
>
>Such a concept, if feasible, needs almost nothing on the
>palmtop side. No memory, no cache, no HTML decoding, no java,
>no frame support, no picture decoding...
>
>But you always have a full graphical browser, supporting the
>latest features and never needs an update.

I like this a lot for rendering!

> > The difficulty would be to make it interactive, able to follow
> > links, and fill in forms, etc.
>
>I agree, and downloads should be possible too. So some kind of
>protocol has to be defined between palmtop and gateway, if it
>should become more than a passive browser for surfing only.

Of course that presents problems.

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Good Afternoon All:
I seem to remember that the 200LX has some built in diagnostics. Can
someone please refresh my memory as to how to invoke them?
Thanks

Jack Skelley
skelley@newjerseydevils.com

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On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Avi Meshar wrote:

> At 11/5/02-06:34 AM, Stefan <hplx@PGDN.DE> wrote:
> >My basic idea in more detail:
> >
> >- a palmtop connected to the gateway invokes a real browser
> >   (Opera) on the gateway in a 640x200 window. So all scaling
> >   is already done by the real browser itself.
> >
> >- the browser sends out screenshots of the 640x200 window as
> >   B&W PCX files to the palmtop at a regular beat. An average
> >   PCX file of CGA size is < 10KB. Depending on the connection
> >   speed the palmtop screen will be refreshed about every
> >   3 seconds.
> >
> >- the palmtop sends out cursorpositions, "mouse clicks" and
> >   keystrokes which "remote control" the real browser on the
> >   gateway. That way, one could even use the scroll bars and
> >   pull down menues of the real browser. In other words:
> >   The latest Opera, IE or Netscape version is "running" on
> >   the palmtop.
> >
> >Such a concept, if feasible, needs almost nothing on the
> >palmtop side. No memory, no cache, no HTML decoding, no java,
> >no frame support, no picture decoding...
> >
> >But you always have a full graphical browser, supporting the
> >latest features and never needs an update.

What you are describing is basically what VNC does.  See
http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
 and
http://www.tightvnc.com/

I think a port of the VNC viewer to the LX might be possible.  It would
need a IP stack, and a graphics interface for doing the image rendering.
There are several other libraries which the VNC viewer uses which would
also need to be ported to the LX, but those should be doable as well.
Can't guarantee it'll be all that fast, though.

> I like this a lot for rendering!
>
> > > The difficulty would be to make it interactive, able to follow
> > > links, and fill in forms, etc.
> >
> >I agree, and downloads should be possible too. So some kind of
> >protocol has to be defined between palmtop and gateway, if it
> >should become more than a passive browser for surfing only.
>
> Of course that presents problems.
>
> avi

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from my notes: (which basically means someone from this list
must have written this)

Hold down the [Esc] key while turning the palmtop [on]. You will
see a menu of built-in tests.
***WARNING!***
If you have a flash card in the palmtop, DO NOT select "Test
all", and DO NOT run the test named "Plug-in RAM card" - it can
permanently destroy your flash
card data. This test is meant for older SRAM cards *only*.
- To test the Display, select it and press [Enter], then press
any key repeatedly to see the different screens.
- To test the Keyboard, select it and press [Enter], then press
each key from left to right and top to bottom, so you begin with
the [Esc] key and end with - the [+] key.
- You cannot test the Wire serial port, because you need a
special loop-back cable for this.
- To test the Batteries, just select it and press [Enter].
- To test the RAM, select it and press [Enter] or press
[Ctrl][Enter] for a more extensive test. This test will take
several minutes.
- To test the ROM, select it and press [Enter].
- To test the IR serial port, select it and press [Enter].
- To test the Timers, select it and press [Enter].
- Remember not to test the Plug-in RAM card!
Press [Esc] to end test mode - the palmtop will reboot.
-you can test the wire serial port if you have a 9 pin serial
cable that comes with the HP CONNECTIVITY PACK. One end plugs
into 200lx the other end is a 9 pin serial plug. take a paper
clip bend it into a loop a 'U' shape so you have two ends.
facing your 9 pin serial plug top row has 5 holes bottom has 4
take one end of your paper clip stick it into the second port
hole the other end of the paper clip into third port
hold.counting port hold one (1)starting from the right side end
up on the far left as port hold number (5) the results of the
test is a "ctl line" this tells you that input and output is
working.


HTH

Etienne
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To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 06:14 PM
Subject: HP200LX: Built In Diagnostics...


> Good Afternoon All:
> I seem to remember that the 200LX has some built in
diagnostics. Can
> someone please refresh my memory as to how to invoke them?
> Thanks
>
> Jack Skelley
> skelley@newjerseydevils.com
>
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The VCN web site (under Contributed, New Platforms) shows that a DOS
implementation exists with an IP stack and it fits on a floppy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter A. Castro" <doctor@FRUITBAT.ORG>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Web Gateway was ARACHNE WEB BROWSER


> On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Avi Meshar wrote:
>
> > At 11/5/02-06:34 AM, Stefan <hplx@PGDN.DE> wrote:
> > >My basic idea in more detail:
> > >
> > >- a palmtop connected to the gateway invokes a real browser
> > >   (Opera) on the gateway in a 640x200 window. So all scaling
> > >   is already done by the real browser itself.
> > >
> > >- the browser sends out screenshots of the 640x200 window as
> > >   B&W PCX files to the palmtop at a regular beat. An average
> > >   PCX file of CGA size is < 10KB. Depending on the connection
> > >   speed the palmtop screen will be refreshed about every
> > >   3 seconds.
> > >
> > >- the palmtop sends out cursorpositions, "mouse clicks" and
> > >   keystrokes which "remote control" the real browser on the
> > >   gateway. That way, one could even use the scroll bars and
> > >   pull down menues of the real browser. In other words:
> > >   The latest Opera, IE or Netscape version is "running" on
> > >   the palmtop.
> > >
> > >Such a concept, if feasible, needs almost nothing on the
> > >palmtop side. No memory, no cache, no HTML decoding, no java,
> > >no frame support, no picture decoding...
> > >
> > >But you always have a full graphical browser, supporting the
> > >latest features and never needs an update.
>
> What you are describing is basically what VNC does.  See
> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
>  and
> http://www.tightvnc.com/
>
> I think a port of the VNC viewer to the LX might be possible.  It would
> need a IP stack, and a graphics interface for doing the image rendering.
> There are several other libraries which the VNC viewer uses which would
> also need to be ported to the LX, but those should be doable as well.
> Can't guarantee it'll be all that fast, though.
>
> > I like this a lot for rendering!
> >
> > > > The difficulty would be to make it interactive, able to follow
> > > > links, and fill in forms, etc.
> > >
> > >I agree, and downloads should be possible too. So some kind of
> > >protocol has to be defined between palmtop and gateway, if it
> > >should become more than a passive browser for surfing only.
> >
> > Of course that presents problems.
> >
> > avi
>
> --
> Peter A. Castro <doctor@fruitbat.org> or <Peter.Castro@oracle.com>
>         "Cats are just autistic Dogs" -- Dr. Tony Attwood
>
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>

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On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Bob Pigford wrote:

> The VCN web site (under Contributed, New Platforms) shows that a DOS
> implementation exists with an IP stack and it fits on a floppy.

From reading the website and the list of configurations known to work I
get the impression it requires a 386 minimum (probably because of the IP
stack).  Still, it would be a good starting point for an LX port.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter A. Castro" <doctor@FRUITBAT.ORG>
> To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Web Gateway was ARACHNE WEB BROWSER
>
>
> > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Avi Meshar wrote:
> >
> > > At 11/5/02-06:34 AM, Stefan <hplx@PGDN.DE> wrote:
> > > >My basic idea in more detail:
> > > >
> > > >- a palmtop connected to the gateway invokes a real browser
> > > >   (Opera) on the gateway in a 640x200 window. So all scaling
> > > >   is already done by the real browser itself.
> > > >
> > > >- the browser sends out screenshots of the 640x200 window as
> > > >   B&W PCX files to the palmtop at a regular beat. An average
> > > >   PCX file of CGA size is < 10KB. Depending on the connection
> > > >   speed the palmtop screen will be refreshed about every
> > > >   3 seconds.
> > > >
> > > >- the palmtop sends out cursorpositions, "mouse clicks" and
> > > >   keystrokes which "remote control" the real browser on the
> > > >   gateway. That way, one could even use the scroll bars and
> > > >   pull down menues of the real browser. In other words:
> > > >   The latest Opera, IE or Netscape version is "running" on
> > > >   the palmtop.
> > > >
> > > >Such a concept, if feasible, needs almost nothing on the
> > > >palmtop side. No memory, no cache, no HTML decoding, no java,
> > > >no frame support, no picture decoding...
> > > >
> > > >But you always have a full graphical browser, supporting the
> > > >latest features and never needs an update.
> >
> > What you are describing is basically what VNC does.  See
> > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
> >  and
> > http://www.tightvnc.com/
> >
> > I think a port of the VNC viewer to the LX might be possible.  It would
> > need a IP stack, and a graphics interface for doing the image rendering.
> > There are several other libraries which the VNC viewer uses which would
> > also need to be ported to the LX, but those should be doable as well.
> > Can't guarantee it'll be all that fast, though.
> >
> > > I like this a lot for rendering!
> > >
> > > > > The difficulty would be to make it interactive, able to follow
> > > > > links, and fill in forms, etc.
> > > >
> > > >I agree, and downloads should be possible too. So some kind of
> > > >protocol has to be defined between palmtop and gateway, if it
> > > >should become more than a passive browser for surfing only.
> > >
> > > Of course that presents problems.
> > >
> > > avi
> >
> > --
> > Peter A. Castro <doctor@fruitbat.org> or <Peter.Castro@oracle.com>
> >         "Cats are just autistic Dogs" -- Dr. Tony Attwood
> >
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> >
>
>

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I cannot take credit for the post, even though Peter seems to give me that
credit. It was written by Stefan at <hplx@PGDN.DE> and only QUOTED by me in
my reply to Stephan.

Avi

At 11/5/02-11:16 AM, "Peter A. Castro" <doctor@FRUITBAT.ORG> wrote:
>On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Avi Meshar wrote:
>
> > At 11/5/02-06:34 AM, Stefan <hplx@PGDN.DE> wrote:
> > >My basic idea in more detail:
> > >
> > >- a palmtop connected to the gateway invokes a real browser
> > >   (Opera) on the gateway in a 640x200 window. So all scaling
> > >   is already done by the real browser itself.
> > >
> > >- the browser sends out screenshots of the 640x200 window as
> > >   B&W PCX files to the palmtop at a regular beat. An average
> > >   PCX file of CGA size is < 10KB. Depending on the connection
> > >   speed the palmtop screen will be refreshed about every
> > >   3 seconds.
> > >
> > >- the palmtop sends out cursorpositions, "mouse clicks" and
> > >   keystrokes which "remote control" the real browser on the
> > >   gateway. That way, one could even use the scroll bars and
> > >   pull down menues of the real browser. In other words:
> > >   The latest Opera, IE or Netscape version is "running" on
> > >   the palmtop.
> > >
> > >Such a concept, if feasible, needs almost nothing on the
> > >palmtop side. No memory, no cache, no HTML decoding, no java,
> > >no frame support, no picture decoding...
> > >
> > >But you always have a full graphical browser, supporting the
> > >latest features and never needs an update.
>
>What you are describing is basically what VNC does.  See
>http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
>  and
>http://www.tightvnc.com/
>
>I think a port of the VNC viewer to the LX might be possible.  It would
>need a IP stack, and a graphics interface for doing the image rendering.
>There are several other libraries which the VNC viewer uses which would
>also need to be ported to the LX, but those should be doable as well.
>Can't guarantee it'll be all that fast, though.
>
> > I like this a lot for rendering!
> >
> > > > The difficulty would be to make it interactive, able to follow
> > > > links, and fill in forms, etc.
> > >
> > >I agree, and downloads should be possible too. So some kind of
> > >protocol has to be defined between palmtop and gateway, if it
> > >should become more than a passive browser for surfing only.
> >
> > Of course that presents problems.
> >
> > avi
>
>--
>Peter A. Castro <doctor@fruitbat.org> or <Peter.Castro@oracle.com>
>         "Cats are just autistic Dogs" -- Dr. Tony Attwood
>
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On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Avi Meshar wrote:

> I cannot take credit for the post, even though Peter seems to give me that
> credit. It was written by Stefan at <hplx@PGDN.DE> and only QUOTED by me in
> my reply to Stephan.

Sorry, Avi, but I couldn't find the previous email from Stefan to quote
(it appeared later in my inbox, go figure).  I was just responding in
general to the idea.

> Avi
>
> At 11/5/02-11:16 AM, "Peter A. Castro" <doctor@FRUITBAT.ORG> wrote:
> >On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Avi Meshar wrote:
> >
> > > At 11/5/02-06:34 AM, Stefan <hplx@PGDN.DE> wrote:
> > > >My basic idea in more detail:
> > > >
> > > >- a palmtop connected to the gateway invokes a real browser
> > > >   (Opera) on the gateway in a 640x200 window. So all scaling
> > > >   is already done by the real browser itself.
> > > >
> > > >- the browser sends out screenshots of the 640x200 window as
> > > >   B&W PCX files to the palmtop at a regular beat. An average
> > > >   PCX file of CGA size is < 10KB. Depending on the connection
> > > >   speed the palmtop screen will be refreshed about every
> > > >   3 seconds.
> > > >
> > > >- the palmtop sends out cursorpositions, "mouse clicks" and
> > > >   keystrokes which "remote control" the real browser on the
> > > >   gateway. That way, one could even use the scroll bars and
> > > >   pull down menues of the real browser. In other words:
> > > >   The latest Opera, IE or Netscape version is "running" on
> > > >   the palmtop.
> > > >
> > > >Such a concept, if feasible, needs almost nothing on the
> > > >palmtop side. No memory, no cache, no HTML decoding, no java,
> > > >no frame support, no picture decoding...
> > > >
> > > >But you always have a full graphical browser, supporting the
> > > >latest features and never needs an update.
> >
> >What you are describing is basically what VNC does.  See
> >http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
> >  and
> >http://www.tightvnc.com/
> >
> >I think a port of the VNC viewer to the LX might be possible.  It would
> >need a IP stack, and a graphics interface for doing the image rendering.
> >There are several other libraries which the VNC viewer uses which would
> >also need to be ported to the LX, but those should be doable as well.
> >Can't guarantee it'll be all that fast, though.
> >
> > > I like this a lot for rendering!
> > >
> > > > > The difficulty would be to make it interactive, able to follow
> > > > > links, and fill in forms, etc.
> > > >
> > > >I agree, and downloads should be possible too. So some kind of
> > > >protocol has to be defined between palmtop and gateway, if it
> > > >should become more than a passive browser for surfing only.
> > >
> > > Of course that presents problems.
> > >
> > > avi
> >
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Barry wrote:
> There's no question of a 32 meg 200lx having enough memory.

I don't think you should consider ram disk memory the same as
the normal 640k of DOS's working storage.  Disk overlays aren't
a good substitute.  Tremm's EXM might be a better way to use
some of that 32m of Ram disk as program storage but you'll still
have the overhead when switching EXM segments.

Neither is as good as 32M of flat memory aka EMS.

Do'able?  Yes, but not near as simple as flat memory and think
of explaining the design to others so they can add to it or
support it.  I think people have been lynched for lessor crimes.

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> Barry wrote:
> > There's no question of a 32 meg 200lx having enough memory.
>
> I don't think you should consider ram disk memory the same as
> the normal 640k of DOS's working storage.  Disk overlays aren't
> a good substitute.  Tremm's EXM might be a better way to use
> some of that 32m of Ram disk as program storage but you'll still
> have the overhead when switching EXM segments.
>
> Neither is as good as 32M of flat memory aka EMS.
>
> Do'able?  Yes, but not near as simple as flat memory and think
> of explaining the design to others so they can add to it or
> support it.  I think people have been lynched for lessor crimes.

I grew up when this was the normal way to write programs.  If you
couldn't work this way you couldn't keep a job.  I do know that
times have changed.  Before I retired I hired and helped train a
lot of programmers that couldn't do the stuff programmers used to
do.  Nobody wanted them to.  But I have no doubt whatever that any
reasonably good programmer can work that way with a little thought
and planning.  And maybe some discussion with some ananchronistic
programmers. :)

Is it difficult?  Yeah if you aren't trained that way.  But one of
the qualities of a good programmer, even today, is that he can
train himself when he has to.  The ones that can't gave up
programming a long time ago.

The point is this:  maybe nobody reading this has any interest in
doing it.  That's fully understandable.  I don't have any interest
in doing it either.  But it's wrong to say that it can't be done.
I don't actually know that it can be done.  I've never written a
browser.  But I'd be surprised if it can't be.

Now, if you define "can't be done" as "that's not how we work
today", you're right.  With that definition it can't be done.  But
that's not what we're talking about.

Writing for readability, avoiding gotos, avoiding spaghetti and
using classes are luxuries that are great because today we can
afford them.  We have lots of memory and lots of CPU speed and
computer power is cheap and programming time is expensive.  But in
the days when there wasn't enough memory, ever, and the computers
weren't fast and hardware was hugely expensive and programmer's
time was cheap, self modifying code and carefully planned spaghetti
was important and required technique.  If you told your boss  you
did gave up a few cycles or used a few bytes because it made the
code more readable he'd put you to work sweeping floors.  It's
great that we don't have to do that now.  It's not as much fun but
it's a hell of a lot more practical.  And it can still be done if
it's needed.  Our newly learned good habits are just that. Habits.
We shouldn't be dogmatic about them.

Sure, flat memory is easier.  But there isn't flat memory in an
80186. There is a ram disk.  Loading overlays from a disk is slow
if it has to be done too often.  But loading overlays from a ram
disk isn't nearly as slow and good planning can keep it from having
to be done too often.

I'm not familiar with Tremm's EXM.  I don't see why loading EXMs
would be better (faster or smaller) than using overlays.  Could you
explain?

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>The URL they used that time for URL entry was www.digitalpath.net,
>which offered a field for URL entry and then you would receive the
>requested document converted for your browser. However,
>www.digitalpath.net now seems to be used by another servive.
>But www.digitalpaths.com, which was their homepage, seems not to be
>accessible at the moment. Will keep trying...

Back then, my thoughts were that it should be much easier to adapt to be
able to use an existing gateway.

I also worked with the guys at digitalpath in my attempt to do something
similar.  I was using Nettamer as a browser.  I was attempting to access
my Juno email at Juno's webmail site using Nettamer.  The problem was
that the Nettamer browser wouldn't display the button that one had to
click after entering an ID and password.

I tried to go through the digitalpath gateway, but found that the short
URL version to that site didn't work because the digitalpath gateway
didn't support a short URL that forwarded the user to a longer one to get
to that site.  Furthermore, the length of the final URL was too long for
the URL fill-in field on the digitalpath page to handle.

I worked with them for quite some time while they tried to get the URL
field on their page to accept a long enough URL, but they never did get
it to work.

If the digitalpath gateway is still available, it should be able to
handle short URLs that offer direct routes to the target.

Cheers!

John Vander Stel
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22h42m ago Michael Kopplin wrote:

> Well, that depends on the web page and what is done with it. I
> often look at cnn's home page so I'll take that as an example.
> The current page consisted of 75 files which total 520k. I
> rendered this to a pcx which is 135k at 8bpp b&w or 99k for 1bpp
> b&w. If some gateway system were to keep the graphics, then
> there would still be a lot of little pcx files to send.

Most of these little pictures which make a page so large could be
stripped before the page is sent to the palmtop.
The question is only, how to decide which ones to strip and which ones
not to strip. Maybe transfer a page without pictures first, then offer
a way to download each picture by clicking on its placeholder.

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>
> Most of these little pictures which make a page so large could be
> stripped before the page is sent to the palmtop.
> The question is only, how to decide which ones to strip and which ones
> not to strip. Maybe transfer a page without pictures first, then offer
> a way to download each picture by clicking on its placeholder.
>
...like the good ol' days :)

good point daniel!



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Thanks
bests for omshakelaar are
english : "switch"
french : "commutateur"

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Hi everybody,

Right now I'm at the SIMO 2002 in Madrid. The SIMO
2002 is the equivalent of the Cebit, but in Spain. I
have seen loads of pocket pcs. I'll check the HP stand
to see if they have something interesting. i have also
seen a IBM computer the size of the 200lx but capable
of running Windows Xp.

cheers,

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> Hi everybody,
>
> Right now I'm at the SIMO 2002 in Madrid. The SIMO
> 2002 is the equivalent of the Cebit, but in Spain. I
> have seen loads of pocket pcs. I'll check the HP stand
> to see if they have something interesting. i have also
> seen a IBM computer the size of the 200lx but capable
> of running Windows Xp.
>

*drewl*
that's cool :) But I don't exect it to be released soon as usual with those
things...

i'm curious what hp's got to offer...hopfully an intel(compatible) instead
of a winCE-like toy.

thanks for informing us...

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In search for new types of memory cards that might work on the 95LX: (1/2)
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Hello Everybody ! I am pretty new to this mailing list. Although I've
been following the list on www.technoir.nu for a long time, this is my
first posting. I want to search together with the people on this
mailing list for new types of memory cards that might work on the 95LX.
That's why I've posted this message. Recently I found out that the 95LX
works also with Sandisk compact flash (CF) cards up to 32Mb.

Now I want to look for other compatible cards: CF cards produced by
other manufacturers, SmartMedia cards, MemorySticks, SD,MMC. Maybe some
of them might also work with an appropriate PCMCIA adapter.

I've posted a modified Sundisk driver to SUPER. This driver doesn't
check the manufacturer anymore, and might work with some other cards.
If you have a 95LX and some PCMCIA memory cards at home, it would
be nice to report your findings.

Before we start testing together new memory card solutions in the 95LX,
it's important to know some background information about the HP95LX.
I've collected this info from several news group messages. Note that
this info may be incomplete...

Both hardware and software issues limit the type of compatible memory
cards for the 95LX.

PCMCIA 1.0
----------

Unlike the 100LX/200LX/700LX the 95LX doesn't support PCMCIA 2.0. It
has a PCMCIA 1.0 slot, that only supports memory cards and no other
devices. The slot fits type II cards, but since these are mostly PCMCIA
2.0 they won't work. PCMCIA 1.0 has no card/socket services. The only
(I believe so) other PCMCIA 1.0 device that was ever manufactured for
the 95LX is the NewMedia PCMCIA Modem. NewMedia designed this modem
to work in a sort-of memory mode, and that explains how they managed to
let this device work on the 95LX.

=> Only PCMCIA cards that work in memory mode can be used. Note that
some cards work in both memory and device mode. Memory mode means that
the card is addressed as memory. In device mode, a card is addressed as
a real device. Today's cards all support ATA: the card is addressed as
an ATA hard disk device. (= device mode)

PCMCIA voltage lines: 5V
------------------------

Unlike the 100LX/200LX/700LX the 95LX only supports 5V memory cards.
This has to do with the voltage supply lines: only 5V is possible. I
believe the other palmtops also support some 12V cards that
were manufactured by Sandisk some years ago.

=> Only PCMCIA 5V cards will work. Note that CF supports both 3.3V and
5V (=dual voltage)

MS-DOS Version 3.20
-------------------

This DOS version only supports partitions up to 32Mb. Since there's no
way yet to partition memory cards on the 95LX, this means that only
cards up to 32Mb can be used.

=> Only memory cards up to 32Mb can be used.

Availability of drivers
-----------------------

The number of available drivers are very limited for the 95LX.
SRAM cards up to 2Mb don't require drivers. Some companies like ACE
produced high-capacity SRAM cards that came with a special driver.
Sundisk, today Sandisk, produced the SDPL5 card series. These were
PCMCIA 2.0 cards that came with a special memory mode driver for the
95LX. Maxtor also had a 95LX specific TrueFFS driver for some of their
PCMCIA memory cards. Maybe there are still some other cards out there
that have a specific 95LX driver. Please report to the list if you know
some info about other cards...

The 95LX originally only supported the following type of memory cards:
----------------------------------------------------------------------

1. SRAM cards:  battery-powered, and limited to 2Mb. I believe ACE also
produced a 4Mb card which required a special driver.

2. Sundisk SDPL5 card series: PCMCIA 2.0 ATA cards that also work in
memory mode. They came with a special driver for the 95LX. This driver
is also on SUPER (SUNDRV). It comes with two programs:
SDISK to partition the card (only 1 partition is supported) and SFORMAT
to format it. The driver checks if the card is really made by SUNDISK.

3. Certain Maxtor TrueFFS flash cards.

...others???....

On the net I found out that the SUNDRV driver from Sundisk also works
with Sandisk-branded CF memory up to 32Mb. I'll try to summarize my
experiences with this driver for Sandisk CF cards. See next posting (2/2)



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My experiences with Compact Flash and the SUNDRV driver
=======================================================

Up to 32Mb works
----------------

The 95LX has DOS 3.2 so only cards up to 32Mb will work. I don't think
cards bigger than 32Mb are supported, since SDISK and SFORMAT don't
support partitioning. (At least I think so, because at the time these
utilities were created, cards up to 10Mb were de facto standard, so
probably Sundisk didn't think of partitioning). If you try with bigger
cards then DOS error messages like Drive not ready and so on will
appear. (Same errors appear on Sharp PC-3100 which is also MS-DOS 3.3)

Sandisk 32Mb card works right away.

Power consumption problem
-------------------------

Problem is that if you put the card in the 95LX, it will continue
taking power even when the 95LX is powered off. This is very annoying:
batteries will go down after 1 or 2 days. However, it makes sense. HP
designed the 95LX to work with battery-powered SRAM cards. When
inserted the SRAM cards gets its power via the PCMCIA Vcc power line.
This saves the card's own battery, which powers the card when outside
the 95LX.

A little hardware hack solves this problem. On the net you can find
somewhere (I don't remember the link anymore, but you'll find this
easily) the pinouts for a PCMCIA connector. PCMCIA has three voltage
lines: Vcc,Vpp1 and Vpp2. Vcc is always powered. Vpp only when
reading/writing to a PCMCIA card. I opened up my 95LX and cut the Vcc
voltage line, so that my Sandisk is only powered when reading/writing.
Power consumption problem is gone. Works really nice. Maybe SRAM
doesn't work anymore... No problem for me, since I never use SRAM (max.
2Mb: what would you do with only 2Mb anyway :-))

Another annoying aspect of using a CF is the flashing black lines that
appear on the screen while reading/writing to/from the card. This is
because of the heavy current drain. I don't think there's
a real solution to this.

Only Sundisk/Sandisk CF works: protection scheme to prevent the use of
other manufacturer's card:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The SUNDRV driver has a protection built-in. It checks the manufacturer
of the card that is in the PCMCIA slot. Note that each PCMCIA card has
a CIS: Card Information Structure (?) header. This header contains info
on manufacturer and functionality of the card. Sundisk's driver checks
for "Sundisk!" string as manufacturer. The utilities SDISK and SFORMAT
that come together with the driver will report "Use SUNDISK cards only"
when you try to use them for other cards.

The same protection is built-in in the driver for the Sharp PC-3000
computer. The PC-3000 was a rival palmtop computer for the 95LX in the
early nineties. Thomas Mueller, an active PC-3100 mailing list member
was able to remove this protection scheme from the driver.  Thomas
hacked the driver so that it doesn't make this manufacturer check
anymore. This allows the driver to work with some non-Sandisk Compact
Flash cards too. I asked Thomas to take a look at the HP95LX driver
too. He hacked the driver for me. Credits to Thomas!
Now I want to test this driver with other flash cards on the 95LX.
Other brands than Sandisk, and maybe it would also work with
SmartMedia/SD/Memorystick to PCMCIA adapters. Note that the Sundisk
SDP5 card series was PCMCIA 2.0 ATA compliant, and if the controller in
a SmartMedia/SD/Memorystick to PCMCIA adapter is implemented in a
Sun/Sandisk way, this might work ! We might give it a try.

Thomas Mueller said that with this hacked driver some non-Su(a)ndisk CF
cards work also. Why don't all CF cards work, would you think ? I
believe it's got to do something with the mode in which the driver
works. PCMCIA cards can work in both "device mode" and "memory mode".
Since 95LX is PCMCIA 1.0 it only supports "memory mode". The SUNDRV
accesses the SUNDISK PCMCIA card in "memory mode". Because most CF
cards support both modes, it will work also with most CF.
I believe some CF cards maybe only support "device mode", and not
the "memory mode". That's why they don't work. Let's hope that
SmartMedia/SD/Memorystick to PCMCIA adapters also support "memory
mode". Most of these adapters are ATA compatible. I believe this means
they work in device mode. But we never know: maybe they also support
memory mode.

If you have a 95LX and some PCMCIA memory cards/adapters to test with,
it would be nice if you could report your experiences with the modified
driver.


Thanks!

Best Regards,

Christian Felique






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Hi All,

Im sure you have recieved this a number of times, but Microsoft and HP
refuse to be of any help...
Does anybody have the network component files for an HP620LX (Win CE 2.0,
SH3)...It should come off the Microsoft CD supplied with the device (which I
dont have)

network.cpl
ne2000.dll
ndis.dll
arp.dll
dhcp.dll

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=514270111-06112002>Hi
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class=514270111-06112002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=514270111-06112002>Im sure you have
recieved this a number of times, but Microsoft and HP refuse to be of any
help...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=514270111-06112002>Does anybody have
the network component files for an HP620LX (Win CE 2.0, SH3)...It should come
off the Microsoft CD supplied with the device (which I dont
have)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=514270111-06112002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=514270111-06112002>network.cpl</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=514270111-06112002>ne2000.dll</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=514270111-06112002>ndis.dll</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=514270111-06112002>arp.dll</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=514270111-06112002>dhcp.dll</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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Wed, 06.11.02 10:35 AM +0200

Hello friends,

if you are an experienced C programmer, please read on:

There are some C programming projects (palmtop software), which the
author cannot continue to work on anymore. Since these projects are quite
large, and in addition quite important for the whole palmtop community,
it would be very, very good if someone would continue these projects
and enhance the software.

No names yet, just take it as I say it, please.

So, if there is someone out there who is an experienced C programmer,
maybe has some experience with the PAL libraries and is serious enough
to take the time to dive into the code, understand it and enhance it
further (maybe debug it, if there still are bugs), please speak up!
I can promise, the whole palmtop community will be very grateful itf
someone would volunteer!

Please contact me privately, I will establish the contact to the
author, since he is the one to decide who will take over his projects.

Thanks

daniel

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Daniel Hertrich wrote:
> Maybe transfer a page without pictures first, then offer
> a way to download each picture by clicking on its placeholder.

Many new pages presnt links only as small pictures without any Alt text.
If you can find a way to recognize those it is probably best to include
them anyway.

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I used to use a SunDisk ATA flash card in my 95lx using the supplied
driver.  I never had a problem with power consumption; it was similar to
without the card, giving me 2 to 3 weeks usage.

Cheers,

Tim Pitman

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My experiences with Compact Flash and the SUNDRV driver
=======================================================
Problem is that if you put the card in the 95LX, it will continue taking
power even when the 95LX is powered off. This is very annoying:
batteries will go down after 1 or 2 days.

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On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Christian Felique wrote:

> Hello Everybody ! I am pretty new to this mailing list.

Hello Christian,

> I've posted a modified Sundisk driver to SUPER. This driver doesn't
> check the manufacturer anymore, and might work with some other cards.
> If you have a 95LX and some PCMCIA memory cards at home, it would
> be nice to report your findings.

Thanks for this new tool, but are you sure that this modification is
legal?

> The only
> (I believe so) other PCMCIA 1.0 device that was ever manufactured for
> the 95LX is the NewMedia PCMCIA Modem. NewMedia designed this modem
> to work in a sort-of memory mode, and that explains how they managed to
> let this device work on the 95LX.

I have a PCMCIA card that I think was designed to work on an HP95LX (at
least I saw it working on an HP95LX). It is a "Gemplus GPR", a smartcard
reader (it is *not* the same as the GPR400, which is a newer version and
doesn't work in the HPLXs). I use it on my HP200LX. It is seen as an A:
drive, and the exchange between the host and the card reader is performed
by reading/writing to the sector 257 (decimal). The HP200 sees this card
as a 128k drive, with a demo program stored on it. I disassembled it, and
I wrote my own API to use any card I want (assuming it is T=0).

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Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:02 AM
Subject: TECH: In search for new types of memory cards that might
work on the 95LX (1/2)


> Hello Everybody ! I am pretty new to this mailing list. Although
I've
> been following the list on www.technoir.nu for a long time, this
is my
> first posting. I want to search together with the people on this
> mailing list for new types of memory cards that might work on the
95LX.
> That's why I've posted this message. Recently I found out that
the 95LX
> works also with Sandisk compact flash (CF) cards up to 32Mb.

Welcome.

> 1. SRAM cards:  battery-powered, and limited to 2Mb. I believe
ACE also
> produced a 4Mb card which required a special driver.

Trying to remember a  discussion from a long time ago on CSHAND, I
think I remember that SRAM can address up to 4 meg but that one of
the address lines on the 95lx is used for something else or is
unusused.

If the driver can be made to work with them, there are 4 meg SRAM
cards available, still.  I can't give you a URL but I saw some
advertized on the web a few weeks ago.  They were new.  I think it
was from a link someone posted on this list so someone here might
know where they are.

Barry

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SanDisk used to have a FAQ on their site that listed the following card
lines as working (with their driver) on the 95LX: SDP5, SDPL5, and SDP5A. I
have several SDP5 cards (10MB Epson-branded and 20MB SunDisk-branded) that I
have successfully used in my 95LX. I occassionally get horizontal black
lines on the screen when reading/writing to the card, though. Before I got
the SDP5 cards, I bought an unknown brand of card through the list, but it
caused the 95LX's screen to go black and lock up (perhaps it was 12V?).

I believe that I am the source of the drivers now in SUPER. I got them from
a Alejandro Paz in Argentina (who also reported the power drain with CF
cards). I do not have the documentation for them, so there are some features
I do not know how to access. For example, looking at HP95sdp.sys in Windows
Notepad reveals the following messages:

Invalid switch specified
Invalid number of sockets specified
Invalid number of drives specified

Can anyone figure out what the switches are?

Similarly, SFORMAT has the message "Invalid parameters specified".

In regards to Maxtor cards, their website had docs giving the installation
procedure for the TrueFFS flash memory driver needed to use the MobileMax
Flash Memory Card in the 95LX.

I have copies of the the SunDisk docs and the Maxtor docs, if anyone wants
them.

Bob

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In search for new types of memory cards that might work on the 95LX: (1/2)
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> Does anybody have the network component files for an HP620LX (Win CE
2.0, SH3)...
> It should come off the Microsoft CD supplied with the device (which
I dont have)

> network.cpl
> ne2000.dll
> ndis.dll
> arp.dll
> dhcp.dll

I have a Jornada 430se (CE 2.11, SH3-Cpu) and and can supply 4 of the
needed files (I don't have the network.cpl on my device). I don't know
if they are compatible to CE2.0, but if you want to give it a try.....

regards,
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On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Christian Felique wrote:

> In search for new types of memory cards that might work on the 95LX: (1/2)

[...]

Does anybody knows where I can find informations about PCMCIA programming?
My goal is to check if I can use Chrysalis-ITS Luna cards, which are
PCMCIA cryptographic cards, in my HP200LX. I don't know anything about
PCMCIA programming (yet).

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http://www.msnbc.com/news/829509.asp

Could a vendor say to customers
"upgrade/pay us $xxxxxxx or
we will crash your computer and/or
hold your files hostage?"





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Date:         Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:47:14 -0600
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We all know the restrictions of the palmtops but we sometimes want them to
perform as good as the GHz powered PCs of today. At the end of the
discussion, the question comes to how to get the most out of palmtops and if
the output is good enough. I think, in order to reach a mutual understanding
about browsers, we have to define the user profile first.


Level 1 user:
The user at this level is interested in the text content of the web pages
only.

- The browser of this level should be able to bypass or eliminate all the
non text related code embedded in the web pages such as; Javascript, CSS,
flash, animations and etc. The frames and tables that are used to organize
information has to be processed to fit to an palmtop screen. As a result,
the user will only see the text of the visited web pages. This browser will
not be interactive. It will not allow user to enter information into a form,
for example. If the browser is designed to view the text only, it will only
understand the basic HTML commands and ignore the rest of the HTML code to
view the pages.
- This level of browser might also work on the code of the web page and
extract simpler HTML coded pages to be viewed in the palmtop. This
additional work will be costly if handled in the palmtop. The additional
work will slow the process compared to the conventional browsers. It will be
less painful if the user of this level mostly visits the text based web
sites. The "download+process" speed will be directly proportional with the
complexity of the code and the size of the page. If the user visits a "text
only" or "text mostly" site, the process will be relatively faster because
there will be lesser non-HTML code to strip in the web page. If this process
is handled on the server, we will get more speed. This type of access might
be succeeded by converting web pages to PCX files too. However, in that
case, texts become pictures and may occupy more space.

Level 2 user:
The user of this level wants to download images and files.

- This can be achieved with special links to images. This might require
additional time and effort but, at the end, user will be able to see some
images and download files.
- This browser may be interactive up to a level. It may allow user to enter
information into a form. However, there may be problems with the security
issues when sending this information because the browser may not be able to
support security measures.

Level 3 user:
The user of this level wants to do everything on a palmtop as if he/she is
using a PC.

- Well, this type of user might be recommended to use a PC instead of a
palmtop because the limitations of a palmtop will never allow such an
experience.


Result:

I think an agreement has to be reached between the users and the programmers
about the level of a palmtop browser first. I believe that a choice has to
be made between Level 1 and 2. Level 3 seems out of the question at this
time. A Level 1 browser might be enough for most of us. Probably most of us
have laptops/PCs or access to them when needed for better web experience.
Our palmtops are mobile devices. That's why accessing text-only information
with the palmtops could be enough for most purposes. If the needs of the
many, can be satisfied with Level 1, the rest would be much easier. After a
while, Level 2 might come as an improvement if possible.


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>       [stuff deleted]
>
> Level 1 user:
>
>       [stuff deleted]
>
> Level 2 user:
>
>       [stuff deleted]
>
> Level 3 user:
>
>       [stuff deleted]
>
> Result:
>
>       [stuff deleted]

I guess that settles the issue.

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REPRO

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I'm not sure I understand.

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> REPRO
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Barry wrote:
> I'm not familiar with Tremm's EXM.  I don't see why loading EXMs
> would be better (faster or smaller) than using overlays.  Could you
> explain?

As I understand it, Tremm has ways to directly access sectors of
it's disk file bypassing some of the DOS overhead when dealing
with normal disk files.

Past appends said using Tremm's EXM for Software Carousel's Swap
space was faster than using a normal SC disk file so I tried it
and agree with them.

Also EXM has all the paging logic built into the standard so you
wouldn't have to reinvent the wheel compared to using overlays
and disk files.

Cheers... Russ

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Hello A. G.

Just a quick question:

Where would you classify the existing Palmtop browser  HV  from D&A
Software?

Jean-Pierre

> --- quoted text below was written by         A. G. OZISIK ---
> > Result:
>
> I think an agreement has to be reached between the users and the programmers
> about the level of a palmtop browser first. I believe that a choice has to
> be made between Level 1 and 2. Level 3 seems out of the question at this
> time. A Level 1 browser might be enough for most of us. Probably most of us
> have laptops/PCs or access to them when needed for better web experience.
> Our palmtops are mobile devices. That's why accessing text-only information
> with the palmtops could be enough for most purposes. If the needs of the
> many, can be satisfied with Level 1, the rest would be much easier. After a
> while, Level 2 might come as an improvement if possible.
>
> A. G. OZISIK
>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 3:56 PM
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> As I understand it, Tremm has ways to directly access sectors of
> it's disk file bypassing some of the DOS overhead when dealing
> with normal disk files.
>
> Past appends said using Tremm's EXM for Software Carousel's Swap
> space was faster than using a normal SC disk file so I tried it
> and agree with them.
>
> Also EXM has all the paging logic built into the standard so you
> wouldn't have to reinvent the wheel compared to using overlays
> and disk files.

I see what you mean but I suspect that using that paging hardware
with your own code would be quite a lot more efficient.  And
probably not that much more work unless there are conflicts with
other EXMs that are running.  As long as the area your using on
disk is allocated there shouldn't be any conflicts but that
probably deserves more looking into.

If all you want to do is bypass dos it can be done on the bios
level, accessing sectors directly.  Probably slower than using the
paging hardware but likely to still be pretty fast.  Again the area
your using would have to be allocated to avoid conflicts.

However, accessing a ram disk with dos overhead is probably also
very fast.  Maybe not fast enough but I wouldn't be surprised if it
is.  Actually I've been talking about overlays just in case.  I'm
not sure things would really have to be that fancy.  Some assembly
would be needed and some good optimization.  And maybe overlays or
maybe not.

I'm not convinced this has to be such a huge program.

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Doesn't  RoboWeb/HV.EXE  do the level one stuff already?

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We all know the restrictions of the palmtops but we sometimes want them to
perform as good as the GHz powered PCs of today. At the end of the
discussion, the question comes to how to get the most out of palmtops and if
the output is good enough. I think, in order to reach a mutual understanding
about browsers, we have to define the user profile first.


Level 1 user:
The user at this level is interested in the text content of the web pages
only.

- The browser of this level should be able to bypass or eliminate all the
non text related code embedded in the web pages such as; Javascript, CSS,
flash, animations and etc. The frames and tables that are used to organize
information has to be processed to fit to an palmtop screen. As a result,
the user will only see the text of the visited web pages. This browser will
not be interactive. It will not allow user to enter information into a form,
for example. If the browser is designed to view the text only, it will only
understand the basic HTML commands and ignore the rest of the HTML code to
view the pages.
- This level of browser might also work on the code of the web page and
extract simpler HTML coded pages to be viewed in the palmtop. This
additional work will be costly if handled in the palmtop. The additional
work will slow the process compared to the conventional browsers. It will be
less painful if the user of this level mostly visits the text based web
sites. The "download+process" speed will be directly proportional with the
complexity of the code and the size of the page. If the user visits a "text
only" or "text mostly" site, the process will be relatively faster because
there will be lesser non-HTML code to strip in the web page. If this process
is handled on the server, we will get more speed. This type of access might
be succeeded by converting web pages to PCX files too. However, in that
case, texts become pictures and may occupy more space.

Level 2 user:
The user of this level wants to download images and files.

- This can be achieved with special links to images. This might require
additional time and effort but, at the end, user will be able to see some
images and download files.
- This browser may be interactive up to a level. It may allow user to enter
information into a form. However, there may be problems with the security
issues when sending this information because the browser may not be able to
support security measures.

Level 3 user:
The user of this level wants to do everything on a palmtop as if he/she is
using a PC.

- Well, this type of user might be recommended to use a PC instead of a
palmtop because the limitations of a palmtop will never allow such an
experience.


Result:

I think an agreement has to be reached between the users and the programmers
about the level of a palmtop browser first. I believe that a choice has to
be made between Level 1 and 2. Level 3 seems out of the question at this
time. A Level 1 browser might be enough for most of us. Probably most of us
have laptops/PCs or access to them when needed for better web experience.
Our palmtops are mobile devices. That's why accessing text-only information
with the palmtops could be enough for most purposes. If the needs of the
many, can be satisfied with Level 1, the rest would be much easier. After a
while, Level 2 might come as an improvement if possible.


A. G. OZISIK

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Peter A. Castro wrote:

> What you are describing is basically what VNC does.  See
> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
>
> I think a port of the VNC viewer to the LX might be possible.  It would
> need a IP stack, and a graphics interface for doing the image rendering.

VNC (Virtual Network Computing) really seems to be the egg of
Columbus, we were searching for. It is a remote control of any
system using a TCP/IP connection. It needs a VNC server and a
VNC client running. Ports to many systems have been done and
are available for free.

Even if this is not called a browser, it can be used as a
browser, but also for every other purpose, which can be done
by remote control on another system, not necessarily a gateway.

The existing client port to DOS (DOSVNC) however needs a cpu >=3D 386,
a VESA display, some MB memory and the wattcp stack.

However the client port to Palm (PalmVNC) only has 35KB and
runs in 40KB memory. That looks promising, even taking into
account, that the Palm has a built in TCP/IP stack, which
DOS has not.

From my understanding, a HPLXVNC must already be feeded by the
server VNC with black and white data. And HPLXVNC only has to
support CGA mode. If the conversion to B&W has to be done on
the palmtop, it would be too slow.

But that means, the server side VNC has to be altered to
support B&W displays, and the HPLX client side has to be
written new, based on DOSVNC and/or PalmVNC.

Has anybody experience with PalmVNC? Is it usable and
reasonable fast over a serial or IrDA connection?

It looks nice on the screenshots: Real Windows, Unix or
DOS on the Palm.

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I'm sure everyone involved knows this, but a typing error has slipped in that
needs correcting:

TREMM is a DOS device driver (an "Expanded Memory Manager") that maps extra RAM
on the HP-LX into "Expanded" (EMS) memory, accessible via a industry-standard
interface.  Many programs (like SC) use this interface to access EMS memory and
thereby expand the total amount of RAM they have available.

"EXM" is an executable file conforming to a particular (HP-LX specific) format.

"EMS" (memory) and "EXM" (files) have nothing to do with each other (TREMM was
at one time a .SYS file, and is now a .EXE).

Cheers,  Kevin

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> From: "Russel Brooks" <rlbrooks@pobox.com>
> To: "Barry" <barry@FBTC.NET>; <HPLX-L@uconnvm.uconn.edu>

> > Past appends said using Tremm's EXM for Software Carousel's Swap
> > space was faster than using a normal SC disk file so I tried it
> > and agree with them.
> >
> > Also EXM has all the paging logic built into the standard so you
> > wouldn't have to reinvent the wheel compared to using overlays
> > and disk files.
>
<clip>

> probably not that much more work unless there are conflicts with
> other EXMs that are running.  As long as the area your using on
> disk is allocated there shouldn't be any conflicts but that
> probably deserves more looking into.




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> I'm sure everyone involved knows this, but a typing error has
slipped in that
> needs correcting:
>
> TREMM is a DOS device driver (an "Expanded Memory Manager") that
maps extra RAM
> on the HP-LX into "Expanded" (EMS) memory, accessible via a
industry-standard
> interface.  Many programs (like SC) use this interface to access
EMS memory and
> thereby expand the total amount of RAM they have available.
>
> "EXM" is an executable file conforming to a particular (HP-LX
specific) format.
>
> "EMS" (memory) and "EXM" (files) have nothing to do with each
other (TREMM was
> at one time a .SYS file, and is now a .EXE).

Thanks for that clarification.

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On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Stefan wrote:

> VNC (Virtual Network Computing) really seems to be the egg of
> Columbus, we were searching for. It is a remote control of any

Hi Stefan,

I'm curious about the phrase "egg of Columbus". I've never heard
that before : )

I do see some problems with this idea. If you run a vnc server
on a unix/linux system, you can support multiple users
simultaneously. Each gets there own "desktop" to run a browser
or whatever (with the windows server, you just get the normal
desktop). The gateway idea could also support browsing for
multiple users. The big difference is that with the gateway, the
clients can only make requests, and get responses. With the
vncserver, the clients are accessing the server directly and
running programs. I certainly wouldn't run a vnc server open to
the general public, unlike a gateway. VNC has authentication so
access can be controlled, but the problem is who do you trust?


> system using a TCP/IP connection. It needs a VNC server and a
> VNC client running. Ports to many systems have been done and
> are available for free.
>
> Even if this is not called a browser, it can be used as a
> browser, but also for every other purpose, which can be done
> by remote control on another system, not necessarily a gateway.

Since this is just remote control, there is the problem that
file downloads/uploads won't be to the client itself.


> The existing client port to DOS (DOSVNC) however needs a cpu >= 386,
> a VESA display, some MB memory and the wattcp stack.

This is another project I've thought about working on but never
got around to.

I think the requirements are only so high because the author of
the port used a graphics/keyboard library (Allegro) which
required it. I was thinking the builtin graphic routines could
be used instead which would make any viewer smaller and quicker.
From what I recall, in the simplest encoding the data is sent as
a rectangle of raw pixel values, and these are just written
directly to the appropriate spot on the screen with a putpixel
function.  Of course, there's also keyboard support, and mouse
emulation?


> >From my understanding, a HPLXVNC must already be feeded by the
> server VNC with black and white data. And HPLXVNC only has to
> support CGA mode. If the conversion to B&W has to be done on
> the palmtop, it would be too slow.

Since it is just pixel data, I don't think the server cares what
the client has. To make things simple one could run the server
at 640x200. Otherwise the client would need to support a virtual
screen. If the palm can convert the data to 4 shades of gray,
I think the LX could do it. The server can be set to run in
8bpp. Would that be to slow to convert?


> But that means, the server side VNC has to be altered to
> support B&W displays, and the HPLX client side has to be
> written new, based on DOSVNC and/or PalmVNC.

The server source is available, so it could be extended if
necessary. DOSVNC source is there too, but I seem to recall some
missing files.

This is still an interesting idea. Maybe I'll take another look
at those source files.

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Kevin Goodwin wrote:
> I'm sure everyone involved knows this, but a typing error has slipped in that
> needs correcting:

My mistake, thanks for catching it.

EMS is Expanded Memory that is paged into the DOS address space
below the 1 meg address line in 4 16k pages.  Tremm makes this
available.

XMS is Extended (flat) memory above the 1 meg address line and
is NOT available in LXs.

EXM is a file extention (fn.EXM) not a memory standard.

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Barry wrote:
> I see what you mean but I suspect that using that paging hardware
> with your own code would be quite a lot more efficient.  And

No hardware, at least not with Tremm, just software calls that
conform to Expanded Memory standard (which is called EMS not EXM
as I mistakenly called it).

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> Barry wrote:
> > I see what you mean but I suspect that using that paging
hardware
> > with your own code would be quite a lot more efficient.  And
>
> No hardware, at least not with Tremm, just software calls that
> conform to Expanded Memory standard (which is called EMS not EXM
> as I mistakenly called it).

I said that before it was explained that Tremm was a driver.  I
thought it was an EXM at the time.

However the LX does have paging hardware that is a little like the
way EMS works.  I realize that EMS is seen nowadays as a driver
since it's mostly used on 386+ chips.  But in the pre-386 days it
required hardware, usually in the form of a memory card.  And a
driver, of course.  The reason it can be done on the LX is that it
has that hardware.

We used it a lot with Lotus on 8088s and 80286s.  Those cards were
expensive.

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On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 06:16:28PM -0700, Michael Kopplin wrote:
> I'm curious about the phrase "egg of Columbus". I've never heard
> that before : )

I assume that Stefan's referring to the "Kobayashi Maru"-type
interpretation.  I'd be mighty confused if he's talking about
Tesla's famous experiment or a tiling puzzle. 8-)

> I do see some problems with this idea. If you run a vnc server
> on a unix/linux system, you can support multiple users
> simultaneously. Each gets there own "desktop" to run a browser
> or whatever (with the windows server, you just get the normal
> desktop). The gateway idea could also support browsing for
> multiple users. The big difference is that with the gateway, the
> clients can only make requests, and get responses. With the
> vncserver, the clients are accessing the server directly and
> running programs. I certainly wouldn't run a vnc server open to
> the general public, unlike a gateway. VNC has authentication so
> access can be controlled, but the problem is who do you trust?

You're referring to the most common incarnation of the VNC
server, which does indeed "export" a full desktop.  However,
there's no reason why a VNC server couldn't be written to
export only a browser interface of sorts -- the "How VNC Works"
paper specifically mentions a "VNC CD player", and indeed
there's a LibVNCServer project <http://libvncserver.sf.net/>
that's intended to make writing such special-purpose VNC
servers easier.

> Since it is just pixel data, I don't think the server cares what
> the client has. To make things simple one could run the server
> at 640x200. Otherwise the client would need to support a virtual
> screen. If the palm can convert the data to 4 shades of gray,
> I think the LX could do it. The server can be set to run in
> 8bpp. Would that be to slow to convert?

The VNC protocol currently specifies pixel depths at multiples
of 8 bits, so a quick way around that is for the LX-specific
server to simply use only the lower 2 bits of each pixel value,
and RLE/zlib/whatever encoding to "reclaim the lost bits".

> This is still an interesting idea. Maybe I'll take another look
> at those source files.

You might want to read the VNC protocol doc first, to free
your mind from the constraints and assumptions inherent in
the code.  8-)

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On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:18:05 -0500 N Knight wrote:
>Could a vendor say to customers
>"upgrade/pay us $xxxxxxx or
>we will crash your computer and/or
>hold your files hostage?"

"Charney promised that Microsoft will not misuse the technology."


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> On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:18:05 -0500 N Knight wrote:
> >Could a vendor say to customers
> >"upgrade/pay us $xxxxxxx or
> >we will crash your computer and/or
> >hold your files hostage?"

Microsoft has already announced plans to lease some software on an
annual basis.  I'd guess that it will stop functioning if a payment
isn't made.

They have a lot of precedent for this.  Mainframe operating systems
and software were marketed like this years ago when I was working
on mainframes.

They're already upgrading Windows while we're on the internet.
They claim they don't but during a period where I didn't do any
windows compnent upgrades, windows began reminding me daily when I
booted that there were upgrades and it was time for me to do them.
My choices were to do the upgrade or to have it remind me tomorrow.
That was it.  I found the thing in the startup that did that and
removed it and after rebooting again it was back in my startup.  I
had to get tricky to stop it.  I deleted the file that was called
by startup and replaced it with a do nothing program that I
compiled of the same name.  It seems that something in windows, I
never figured out what, replaces that file if it doesn't find it
while booting.  It's kept it's mouth shut since, but until I
figured out what was going on it was a real pain.

I'm using Windows 98SE, so I'm sure that wasn't in my system from
the start.  I'm also using Windows 98SE on a laptop that rarely
gets online and it's never done that.  Bill snuck that one in when
I wasn't watching.

I suspect the days of computing as we know it are coming to an end.
Before long we'll have as much control over our computers as we do
over our microwaves.  As it is now, it's costing big business
money.  And that can't be tolerated.

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Hello !

A few weeks ago I bought a 700LX including Nokia 2110 on E-Bay.
It works really nice: SMS,FAX,etc.

Once the phone is docked on the 700LX, you can still make voice calls...
Unpleasant is the fact that you can't connect a Nokia 2110 headset
anymore, because the one and only connector is already in use.
Has anyone some experiences with 700LX-Nokia-Headset set up ?

Maybe we could do some hardware hacking, and add another connector
to the 700LX. Of course this must be done nice and clean.
Did somebody try this already ?

I read on the net, that you can't just connect to the pins of the connector
to make the headset work. The phone uses a complex X100 protocol, and you
have to do some communication with the phone to set it in hands-free mode.
Is this true ?

Christian.





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Hello LXers,
I've got a problem with hp852.com, which is keybez replacement for czech
national environment, smaller in size and rich in functionality.
So the rest of message will be in Czech, sorry for that.
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Pratele,
velmi moc me stve jedna vlastnost hp852.com: Nechci mit desetinnou carku,
oddelovac argumentu tecku a oddelovac tisicu tecku. Chci desetinnou tecku
a argumenty oddelovat carkou.
V setupu si toto mohu nastavit. Vsechno je OK, ale jen do rebootu
[znovuspusteni hp852], ktery mi to zase prepise na svou oblibenou
kombinaci.
Pokud vite jak mu v tom zabranit [existuji nejake parametry se kterymi lze
hp852 spustit?], prosim poradte. Oddelovat v 123 argumenty funkci teckami
povazuji za vyplod choreho mozku.

Tisicere diky

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Date:         Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:55:10 -0000
Reply-To:     "Svagr, Radek" <radek.svagr@INVENSYS.COM>
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sorry for czech language...
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Cau,

Mam pocit, ze HP852 nejakym zpusobem modifikuje SETUP.ENV v adresari C:\_DAT

takze me napada:

1) dat ho read only (coz asi bude k nicemu)

nebo

2) v autoexec.bat  _po spusteni_ HP852.COM vymazat setup.env a nahradit ho
puvodnim nemodifikovanym.

nebo

3) Pouzivat misto 123 Quattro PRO jako ja;-))

Treba to pomuze. Kazdopadne nejlepsi by bylo najit autora HP852 pana Petra
Stastneho. Treba je v teto
konferenci?

Radek

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> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:19 AM
> To:   HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject:      hp852
>
> Hello LXers,
> I've got a problem with hp852.com, which is keybez replacement for czech
> national environment, smaller in size and rich in functionality.
> So the rest of message will be in Czech, sorry for that.
> =====================
> Pratele,
> velmi moc me stve jedna vlastnost hp852.com: Nechci mit desetinnou carku,
> oddelovac argumentu tecku a oddelovac tisicu tecku. Chci desetinnou tecku
> a argumenty oddelovat carkou.
> V setupu si toto mohu nastavit. Vsechno je OK, ale jen do rebootu
> [znovuspusteni hp852], ktery mi to zase prepise na svou oblibenou
> kombinaci.
> Pokud vite jak mu v tom zabranit [existuji nejake parametry se kterymi lze
> hp852 spustit?], prosim poradte. Oddelovat v 123 argumenty funkci teckami
> povazuji za vyplod choreho mozku.
>
> Tisicere diky
>
> --
> -Dzon
>                               dzon@softhome.net
>
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Date:         Thu, 7 Nov 2002 08:42:07 -0500
Reply-To:     Larry Tachna <ltachna@ATT.NET>
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Subject:      Re: PCMCIA question (was: Re: TECH: In search for new types of
              memory             cards that might work on the 95LX (1/2))
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>>My goal is to check if I can use Chrysalis-ITS Luna cards, which are
>>PCMCIA cryptographic cards, in my HP200LX. I don't know anything about
>>PCMCIA programming (yet).

I found the web site but didnt see anything about pcmcia cards is there a
web site describing the card as a product?

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Date:         Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:38:38 +0100
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Why dont You run it on Your Palm emulator ;-)

Stefan wrote:

> However the client port to Palm (PalmVNC) only has 35KB and
> runs in 40KB memory. That looks promising, even taking into
> account, that the Palm has a built in TCP/IP stack, which
> DOS has not.

      /tomas moberg
                       Uppsala

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Date:         Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:46:58 +0100
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Michael Kopplin wrote:

> I'm curious about the phrase "egg of Columbus". I've never heard
> that before : )

To find the "egg of Columbus" is a German proverb and means to
find a good and easy solution for a long existing problem.

History: When Columbus returned to Spain in 1493, those who
stayed at home, said: It is not difficult to sail straight
ahead until you reach new land. Columbus took an egg and said:
Put it on top. They failed. Then he took the egg and pressed
it a little harder towards the table and the egg stood. The
others said: We could have done the same. And Columbus replied:
Once you show, how simple something is, suddenly everbody
knows to do it.

> I certainly wouldn't run a vnc server open to
> the general public, unlike a gateway. VNC has authentication so
> access can be controlled, but the problem is who do you trust?

I agree. But with vnc one probably needs no more the gateway
idea, because everybody can dial into his private pc at home
and start his personal web browser remotely with the palmtop.

> Since it is just pixel data, I don't think the server cares what
> the client has. To make things simple one could run the server
> at 640x200. Otherwise the client would need to support a virtual
> screen. If the palm can convert the data to 4 shades of gray,
> I think the LX could do it. The server can be set to run in
> 8bpp. Would that be to slow to convert?

it is comparable to 8bpp BMP images. But even a 640x200 8bpp
image uses 128KB. A download of such a screenshot takes about
40 seconds with a 33.000 baud connection, and this is already
the fastest possible speed for an upgraded palmtop using the
serial line.

> This is still an interesting idea. Maybe I'll take another look
> at those source files.

I think so. But as Adrian said, First I need to know the VNC
protocol in detail instead of speculating of what could be
feasible or not.

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Date:         Thu, 7 Nov 2002 14:23:20 +0000
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From -> http://pandora.ist.utl.pt/docs/abstracts/ar/ftcs29.html

 What is a Columbus' Egg Idea ?

It is a popular expression, with origin in a story about the navigator
Christopher Columbus, that is widely used to refer an extremely simple solution
to a difficult problem, hard to find, but that once known, looks trivial and
even obvious. The navigator, in front of a meeting of lords, demonstrated how
to make an egg stand on end... by cracking its shell in one of the poles!
> I'm curious about the phrase "egg of Columbus". I've never heard
> that before : )

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Date:         Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:42:25 +0100
Reply-To:     Erwann ABALEA <erwann@ABALEA.COM>
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From:         Erwann ABALEA <erwann@ABALEA.COM>
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Subject:      Re: PCMCIA question (was: Re: TECH: In search for new types of
              memory             cards that might work on the 95LX (1/2))
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On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Larry Tachna wrote:

> >>My goal is to check if I can use Chrysalis-ITS Luna cards, which are
> >>PCMCIA cryptographic cards, in my HP200LX. I don't know anything about
> >>PCMCIA programming (yet).
>
> I found the web site but didnt see anything about pcmcia cards is there a
> web site describing the card as a product?

Go to their website: www.chrysalis-its.com (www.chrysalis.com is something
else), and look for their products.

Here, at work, we have and use several Luna2, LunaCA (a discontinued
product), and LunaCA3 cards.

There's nothing written on the cards about 8/16/32 bits, 3.3/5/12 V or
anything like that. I wanted to see if I could grab some informations on
my Windows PC (I have the windows and solaris drivers for these cards)
under DOS, but when I open a DOS box (under Windows), there's no CS API
(int 0x1a/AH=0x80 doesn't return with a good result).

When I insert one of these cards in my HP200LX (switched off), I can't
turn it on. Maybe these cards draw too much power. Next step is to find a
power supply and repeat this test.

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Date:         Thu, 7 Nov 2002 15:57:25 +0100
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From:         Erwann ABALEA <erwann@ABALEA.COM>
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Subject:      Re: PCMCIA question
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On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Erwann ABALEA wrote:

> When I insert one of these cards in my HP200LX (switched off), I can't
> turn it on. Maybe these cards draw too much power.

Correction: when I insert one of these cards in my HP200LX (switched off),
I can turn it on, but less than 1 second after, it turns itself off, and I
can't turn it on again. When I remove the card, I can turn it on, and my
HP tells me "Sortie mode secours" (it's a french HP), and goes on the boot
procedure.

When I want to insert one of these cards when the HP is on, I don't have
the time to fully insert it, it switches off before, and the rest is the
same.

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Date:         Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:42:38 +0100
Reply-To:     Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE>
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From:         Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE>
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Christian Felique wrote:
> I read on the net, that you can't just connect to the pins of the connector
> to make the headset work. The phone uses a complex X100 protocol, and you
> have to do some communication with the phone to set it in hands-free mode.
> Is this true ?

No it is not, can't be. The 2110 as such is not meant to use a headset
at all. I have an adaptor which only contains a few resistors and a
battery. The reason seems to be you have to apply voltage (via a
momenary switch, "Taster2 in German) to fool into believing it is
plugged into a car speaker set ("Freisprechanlage"). If you ask nicely
and I happen to be in a good mood I could try drawing a schematic of my
adaptor.

Axel

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Date:         Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:45:40 +0100
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On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Erwann ABALEA wrote:

> When I want to insert one of these cards when the HP is on, I don't have
> the time to fully insert it, it switches off before, and the rest is the
> same.

I tried with an external power supply, and the result is the same. It
seems I won't be able to use these good cards in my HP200LX,
unfortunately. PGP in software is very slow on my SS HP...

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Date:         Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:30:57 -0500
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Take a look at this...I think you are right, sounds like the cards take too much current, causing "backup mode":

http://www.hplx.net/faq.power.html



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To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
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Subject: Re: PCMCIA question


On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Erwann ABALEA wrote:

> When I want to insert one of these cards when the HP is on, I don't have
> the time to fully insert it, it switches off before, and the rest is the
> same.

I tried with an external power supply, and the result is the same. It
seems I won't be able to use these good cards in my HP200LX,
unfortunately. PGP in software is very slow on my SS HP...

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Date:         Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:45:12 -0700
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Does anyone have any experience using the SDP3B series of SanDisk PCMCIA
flash cards in the 200LX? There are a number of them on eBay now, and a
350MB one just sold for $51.

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Date:         Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:11:46 -0500
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Wow, good price. I think you just created a lot of bidding compettion for
yourself by posting on the list. I'm using a 220MB SP3B series card and it
works fine with no driver. I've heard that any card over 256MB will need a
driver. The driver probably has to sit on the C: drive so it would be good
to keep a small flash card with a backup of the C: drive around when using a
card of this size.


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Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 3:45 PM
Subject: SanDisk SDP3B Flash cards


> Does anyone have any experience using the SDP3B series of SanDisk PCMCIA
> flash cards in the 200LX? There are a number of them on eBay now, and a
> 350MB one just sold for $51.
>
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Don't open the 2002 CallWave attachment that was just sent by someone to
the list. It has the Klez virus. Fortunately Norton Antivirus caught it.



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On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 08:57:36PM -0800, Daniel Ginsberg wrote:
> Don't open the 2002 CallWave attachment that was just sent
> by someone to the list. It has the Klez virus. Fortunately
> Norton Antivirus caught it.

Actually, the UConn AV gateway seems to have caught it --
and sent it right back out again.

And in case anyone's unsure, it wasn't me; I use Linux
strictly.  The originator trace headers:

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seem to implicate some AOL user who's on this list (I don't
use aho-hplx@03s.net anywhere else).  Goodness knows why
anyone would want to save my address in his/her address book,
though.  8-)

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Toll!

Would be great ! I believe some headsets are also sold on E-Bay
currently. Maybe I could by one, and try to open it. Would this be feasible
? Daniel Hertrich tells on his webpage that the casing
of the 700LX wastes a lot of space. Maybe this means there's still
some space inside to build-in this circuit. We could attach the voltage
line to one of the 700LX's lines. I believe a lot of 700LX people would
be interested in this. A next project for the LX ? :-)

mfG

Christian.


>From: Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE>
>Reply-To: Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE>
>To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>Subject: Re: Nokia 2110 headset and the 700LX
>Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 16:42:38 +0100
>
>Christian Felique wrote:
> > I read on the net, that you can't just connect to the pins of the
>connector
> > to make the headset work. The phone uses a complex X100 protocol, and
>you
> > have to do some communication with the phone to set it in hands-free
>mode.
> > Is this true ?
>
>No it is not, can't be. The 2110 as such is not meant to use a headset
>at all. I have an adaptor which only contains a few resistors and a
>battery. The reason seems to be you have to apply voltage (via a
>momenary switch, "Taster2 in German) to fool into believing it is
>plugged into a car speaker set ("Freisprechanlage"). If you ask nicely
>and I happen to be in a good mood I could try drawing a schematic of my
>adaptor.
>
>Axel
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>>Goodness knows why
>>anyone would want to save my address in his/her address book,
>>though.  8-)

There is an option in outlook (and probably other mail programs) that allows
the user to automatically place people in thier address book just by
replying to them...which would happen quite often on the list.

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From: "Adrian Ho" <aho-hplx@03S.NET>
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Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: 2002 CallWave is a Virus!!!


> On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 08:57:36PM -0800, Daniel Ginsberg wrote:
> > Don't open the 2002 CallWave attachment that was just sent
> > by someone to the list. It has the Klez virus. Fortunately
> > Norton Antivirus caught it.
>
> Actually, the UConn AV gateway seems to have caught it --
> and sent it right back out again.
>
> And in case anyone's unsure, it wasn't me; I use Linux
> strictly.  The originator trace headers:
>
>   Received: from rly-ip03.mx.aol.com (rly-ip03.mx.aol.com
>     [64.12.138.7]) by mail1.uits.uconn.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6)
>     with ESMTP id gA822xM02136 for <hplx-l@uconnvm.uconn.edu>;
>     Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:02:59 -0500
>   Received: from  logs-wm.proxy.aol.com (logs-wm.proxy.aol.com
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>     ESMTP id RELAYIN5-1107210209; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 21:02:09 -0400
>   Received: from Ozj (AC82E126.ipt.aol.com [172.130.225.38])
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>     gA81t5R20997 for <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>; Thu, 7 Nov
>     2002 20:55:06 -0500 (EST)
>
> seem to implicate some AOL user who's on this list (I don't
> use aho-hplx@03s.net anywhere else).  Goodness knows why
> anyone would want to save my address in his/her address book,
> though.  8-)
>
> - Adrian
>
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Please don't mail and post.
Christian Felique wrote:
> Would be great!

Right. Please be patient, I do tend to take my time.

> ? Daniel Hertrich tells on his webpage that the casing
> of the 700LX wastes a lot of space. Maybe this means there's still
> some space inside to build-in this circuit.

Yes, I suppose so. If you look at the lid moulding it is quite wide at
the side of the Nokia plug. In the middle is the plug itself, at the
bottom the release mechanism but the top is unused.

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On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Eric wrote:

> Take a look at this...I think you are right, sounds like the cards take too much current, causing "backup mode":
>
> http://www.hplx.net/faq.power.html

Thanks for the info. It seems I already read it, but I did forgot the
content.

Anyway, I checked the power supply I used... 200 mA. I have to find a
better one...

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At 11/8/02-12:04 AM, Eric <HPLX@BATTLEQUEST.COM> wrote:
> >>Goodness knows why
> >>anyone would want to save my address in his/her address book,
> >>though.  8-)
>
>There is an option in outlook (and probably other mail programs) that allows
>the user to automatically place people in thier address book just by
>replying to them...which would happen quite often on the list.

Could not resist the plug: This is a good reason to use Post/LX: It does
not come with decisions made for you by some nitwit in Redmond WA! <vbg>

Eudora also does not do this for you.

Microsoft has the idea that anyone using its products must be a moron, and
so choices must be made for such user.

I write as a biased person - WWW/LX (and its Post/LX) is our product that
is still selling. I have no connection to Eudora and/or Qualcomm other than
a (mostly) satisfied user...

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Hi There,

I have seen that we have some people on this list which is using
AutoCAD on their 200LX. But I have also seen that we probably have more
people thinking about using it, but never have done it. :-)

So therefore, I write this message to give you a kick start! :-)

Why AutoCAD? Much becuase it's just AutoCAD and the format is kind of a
CAD standard. Yes, EasyCAD and Draft Choice is updating the screen
faster than AutoCAD. But with EasyCAD, you have to use a mouse. And
with Draft Choice, I have not seen a really good conversion back and
forth between the HP 200LX and the desktop PC.

First tip: if you use AutoCAD on 200LX,.. I was surfing around for
AutoCAD stuff and found following link:
www.haycock.fsbusiness.co.uk/convert.htm
It's an DWG/DXF free converter (running under MS Windows) which can
convert up to AutoCAD R2000 (seams to work fine with 2002 also)
to one of following version formats: AutoCAD R2.5, 2.6, 9, 10 to 14
& 2000 (& 2002...). So you can work on your desktop PC with a new
version of AutoCAD, and go back and forth- without a problem. :-)

Then which version to run on your 200LX...? Whatever you choose, first
you need ACADLXR2.ZIP by David R. Birch- available on SUPER. Without
this information, you will not be able to do any AutoCAD stuff on
200LX!

Then I personally preffer AutoCAD R2.6, since it's much faster than
R10. R2.6 is also a very solid version and doesn't require any loading
of EM87.COM math coprocessor emulator. Not sure about R9, since I have
not been able to get hold on this version (anyone have it?).

Another tip- first you will strongly feel that you need a mouse. BUT =
After
a couple of hours playing around- you will realize that it's faster to
work with AutoCAD on the 200LX without a mouse! Just keep in mind that
when you use the up/down/right/left keys- you can increase/decrease the
speed by hitting (Fn+) PG UP or (Fn+) PG DN. To get the Menu, on the
left side, you just hit (Fn+) INS- and then up/down (to choose) + Enter.

If you use AutoCAD R2.6- be informed that the font files for R10, works
fine in R2.6- so you can easiely add lots of extra fonts. :-)

Finally (for now...), I would like to add that it's extra easy to run
AutoCAD on the 200LX if you have Software Carousel installed. Since
when you move from graphical screen to text screen- the text screen
will be distorted. But by moving to another work area- and back, you
can now read the text. Good- specially when you need to read information
about the drawing. But with Stefan Peichl's LxPro installed- you can
fix the screen with some extra keystrokes. :-)

Please let me know if you need some additional information, or any of
the files I mentioned.

Regards,

Jorgen

P.S. Then there is also a Menu Program (SELDWG_3.zip) which makes it =
easier to
choose the drawing you want to open.

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I am new to using a 200LX and am looking for a good way to transfer files to
and from a desktop.  I am running Windows 98 on my desktop.  I am currently
using Kermit 95. version 2, with a serial cable for data tranfer.  It seems
slow and cumbersom.  Is there a better way?  I have had trouble finding an
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Date:         Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:09:13 -0600
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Curti Family" <curti_tac@HOTMAIL.COM>
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Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 1:53 PM
Subject: Connection to a Desktop PC


> I am new to using a 200LX and am looking for a good way to
transfer files to
> and from a desktop.  I am running Windows 98 on my desktop.  I am
currently
> using Kermit 95. version 2, with a serial cable for data tranfer.
It seems
> slow and cumbersom.  Is there a better way?  I have had trouble
finding an
> HP connectivity pack.

I installed a compact flash card reader on my PC.  It's made by
Sandisk and I think they're currently 29.95.  Installation on the
usb port is simple.

I use a compact flash card in my 200lx with an adapter an when I'm
ready for a backup I backup C: to A: (the flash card) and then
backup A: to the pc through my card reader.  The entire process
takes about a minute or two.  Restoration is trivial.  I can do a
complete restoration or just restore individual files.  It's a
perfect system for me.

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Barry has  a great suggestion, but if you want to stick with serial (and/or want a cheaper solution), but also want greater ease
of use...just goto www.palmtop.net and download the Transfile 200 program.

It is a nice windows app that is very similar to filer....in one panel is the palmtop (via serial) files and in the other panel is
the PC files...Just drag and drop files or whole directories..


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I am new to using a 200LX and am looking for a good way to transfer files to
and from a desktop.  I am running Windows 98 on my desktop.  I am currently
using Kermit 95. version 2, with a serial cable for data tranfer.  It seems
slow and cumbersom.  Is there a better way?  I have had trouble finding an
HP connectivity pack.



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Date:         Sat, 9 Nov 2002 10:04:28 +1300
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04h35m ago Avi Meshar wrote:

> At 11/8/02-12:04 AM, Eric <HPLX@BATTLEQUEST.COM> wrote:
> > >>Goodness knows why
> > >>anyone would want to save my address in his/her address book,
> > >>though.  8-)
> >
> >There is an option in outlook (and probably other mail programs) that allows
> >the user to automatically place people in thier address book just by
> >replying to them...which would happen quite often on the list.

Interesting option -

> Could not resist the plug: This is a good reason to use Post/LX: It does
> not come with decisions made for you by some nitwit in Redmond WA! <vbg>

Oh, I was going to suggest it as a new POST/LX option <VBG>
If it's not the default option then it's not so bad?

- Tony

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At 11/8/02-03:04 PM, Tony Hutchins <th@PARADISE.NET.NZ> wrote:
Re Outlook's automatic option to put email address in the addressbook if
you reply to the person:

> > Could not resist the plug: This is a good reason to use Post/LX: It does
> > not come with decisions made for you by some nitwit in Redmond WA! <vbg>
>
>Oh, I was going to suggest it as a new POST/LX option <VBG>
>If it's not the default option then it's not so bad?

I think this is possibly a good option if it is TURNED ON by a user who
gets to thing about it and CHOOSE it. My point - perhaps not well made - in
criticizing Microsoft is that their attitude is that users are morons and
therefore choices have to be made FOR THEM. (A separate issue is that
sometimes the path to undo such crap is rather circuitous and not clear.)
This attitude towards people is annoying and as it turns out, opens the
road for many viruses and other evildoers to create mayhem and damage.

As for Post/LX - I think it is so simple to ADD a name that making some
special code for that is probably an overkill. I'd rather leave code space
available for some more complex function, frankly. How about a smart macro
for that function?

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Hi,

I just bought a new external power supply (a Thomson 1000 mA) to go on my
tests with my PCMCIA cards, and while looking for it in the store, I foun=
d
NiMH batteries rated 2000 mAh.

The brand seems to be 'Inter Image', the model seems to be 'Digital
Power'. They cost 17.90 EUR for a 4-pack.
[Jacques, I found them in Auchan La D=E9fense, if you want to check :) ]

I have downloaded ABC/LX, and I'm charging them right now.

Does anyone have some experience with these batteries, or this 'brand'?

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08m ago Avi Meshar wrote:

> As for Post/LX - I think it is so simple to ADD a name
> that making some special code for that is probably an
> overkill.

Indeed. My suggestion was followed by a <g>.
Would you actually use such a function in POST/LX?

> I'd rather leave code space available for some
> more complex function, frankly. How about a smart macro
> for that function?

It would take more than that as you wouldn't want addresses
duplicated. BTW I personally have no need whatever for such a
function, but AFAIK it may well be an example of an option
that has been, dare I say it, well implemented in Outlook.

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I saw some 1850Mah rated ones at the local Best Buy with the 'Energizer'.
I'm not sure if the batteries are tweaked or the test to dtermine the 'Ma=
h'
rating.

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Subject: 2000 mAh NiMH batteries


> Hi,
>
> I just bought a new external power supply (a Thomson 1000 mA) to go on =
my
> tests with my PCMCIA cards, and while looking for it in the store, I fo=
und
> NiMH batteries rated 2000 mAh.
>
> The brand seems to be 'Inter Image', the model seems to be 'Digital
> Power'. They cost 17.90 EUR for a 4-pack.
> [Jacques, I found them in Auchan La D=E9fense, if you want to check :) =
]
>
> I have downloaded ABC/LX, and I'm charging them right now.
>
> Does anyone have some experience with these batteries, or this 'brand'?
>
> --
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01h39m ago Tony Hutchins wrote:

> --
> 08m ago Avi Meshar wrote:
>
> > As for Post/LX - I think it is so simple to ADD a name
> > that making some special code for that is probably an
> > overkill.
>
> Indeed. My suggestion was followed by a <g>.
> Would you actually use such a function in POST/LX?

Avi, I must apologize - I mis-read your original post!
You were having fun, and I wrote like I was spoiling the fun!
Very mean-spirited of me. Sorry!

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I am trying to befriend my new HP OmniBook XE3l running Win XP. I realise
this might not be the ultimate companion for my hp200lx, but just for the
halibut I'm trying to find the best coexistence. Trying to combine the best
of two worlds.

So far old friends like Norton Commander (DOS), QEdit, WordPerfect 5.1 runs.
Even Connectivity Pack. No cable connectivity yet;  copying my Sandisk
60MB card is OK.

But I would really like to use Post/LX for e-mail and news! I have tried
with Palrun, but neither Post/LX nor PE will start under XP. Any hope?

Lillebjorn Nilsen, Oslo Norway

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        +----------------------------------------------+
        |  Saturday, 2002-11-09 6:35 PM +1300 (NZDT)   |
        +----------------------------------------------+
If you don't live in Germany but need a free .de e-mail address
then www.firemail.de is worth a shot. It has an excellent smtp
server - authenticated and fast. The pop server seems Ok but
doesn't seem to support UIDL. They don't ask for personal info
(you can just leave out the optional stuff). It's probably
fast because it is not too popular.

myrealbox.com, another excellent free service , has now closed
its door to new subscribers.

-Tony

#179 I live on good soup and not fine language.
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Avi Meshar wrote:
> criticizing Microsoft is that their attitude is that users are morons and
> therefore choices have to be made FOR THEM. (A separate issue is that
> sometimes the path to undo such crap is rather circuitous and not clear.)

The latter is the main reason, why I prefer netscape. Their defaults too
are pretty bad - HTML, top post, full quote - but everything to
configure resides in <Edit><Preferences> and all choices are more or
less self explanatory, so setting it up right is not hard. And speaking
for myself, I would go thorough all that anyway to check everything, so
whether the default is fine or I need to change it is not much of a
difference. I would prefer it though, if all those who don`t and just
use it as-is were a little less annoying in newsgroups, so the first
part of the criticism applies just as much.

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Does anyone (off hand) know how to make PalEdit come up by default in maximum ZOOM mode?

Also, Does anyone know if Goin Postal can be configured to run in one of the ZOOM modes (I know I can zoom but stuff gets
truncated).

GP is a great program, but with such a small font it is hard to use.  (best small font suggestions welcome as well).

Eric

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> Does anyone (off hand) know how to make PalEdit come up by
default in maximum ZOOM mode?
>
> Also, Does anyone know if Goin Postal can be configured to run
in one of the ZOOM modes (I know I can zoom but stuff gets
> truncated).
>
> GP is a great program, but with such a small font it is hard
to use.  (best small font suggestions welcome as well).
>

AFAIK, there is no way to have GP run in one of the Zoom modes,
however:
You know you can zoom and the screens get truncated, no way to
view the missing areas,
EXCEPT in message body were you can send the cursor to the
beginning or end of the line, top or bottom of page. In fact,
for everyday use, the mailboxes show all the relevant info in
all zoom modes, and the body of the message can be seen at will.

I first switched to Andrew font, which helped for quite some
time, and now, I succumbed to eye glasses.
A real confort, but one more item to carry( sigh).

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Hello

20h29m ago Curti Family wrote:

> I am new to using a 200LX and am looking for a good way to transfer files to
> and from a desktop.  I am running Windows 98 on my desktop.  I am currently
> using Kermit 95. version 2, with a serial cable for data tranfer.  It seems
> slow and cumbersom.  Is there a better way?  I have had trouble finding an
> HP connectivity pack.

So welcome to the list! We are alwasy glad to see new members! :-)

Please read http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/rs232

this should give you some options for data transfer between a PC and
the palmtop.

daniel

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Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 08:53 PM
Subject: Connection to a Desktop PC


> I am new to using a 200LX and am looking for a good way to
transfer files to
> and from a desktop.  I am running Windows 98 on my desktop.

There are quite a few ways to transfer files:

1) The connectivity pack, can be bought from
www.palmtoppaper.com . Besides transferring files, it gives you
lookalike applications on the desktop, and file merging and
tranlation (csv) capabilities .
If you go that way, and since you use Win 98, there is one thing
you should know: after you have set it up, for some of us at
least, no connection can be made, unless you go in the settings
screen first, and hit OK.


2)transfile. There 's a bug sometimes, the patch can be found on
super.

3)the card reader is a great flexible solution.  To view your
data bases on the desktop, download GDBwinE from Super, and
there's also an app to view your appointments on the desktop.

4)Xfinder: has all you need for fast file transfers and much,
much more.

5)ZIP(not the compression program), also on Super , does fast
file transfer (I have no experience with it)

Etienne

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At 11/9/02-10:37 AM, Eric <HPLX@BATTLEQUEST.COM> wrote:
>Does anyone (off hand) know how to make PalEdit come up by default in
>maximum ZOOM mode?

I usually look in the ?????.CFG file to see if I can get any hints. S I
checked PE.CFG for you <g>... And sure enough, miraculously, <g> there is a
a section called [Display]. In my own CFG file, the first item is

Zoom=1

There is a comment line prior to that stating:

;  Startup font: 0=small  1=middle  2=large

Looks to me like this may be the answer you are looking for, huh?

I don't know about the other items, sorry.

Happy hunting...

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Thanks,  I was reading through the docs last night and saw the section on the CFG files but didn't see any info on zoom (granted,
it was late and I was scanning it quickly....a rather large document.).  I didn't think to open the CFG file to see what setting
may be readily available for changing.

Besides my eyes were tired due to the tiny font.  :-)


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At 11/9/02-10:37 AM, Eric <HPLX@BATTLEQUEST.COM> wrote:
>Does anyone (off hand) know how to make PalEdit come up by default in
>maximum ZOOM mode?

I usually look in the ?????.CFG file to see if I can get any hints. S I
checked PE.CFG for you <g>... And sure enough, miraculously, <g> there is a
a section called [Display]. In my own CFG file, the first item is

Zoom=1

There is a comment line prior to that stating:

;  Startup font: 0=small  1=middle  2=large

Looks to me like this may be the answer you are looking for, huh?

I don't know about the other items, sorry.

Happy hunting...

Avi

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At 11/9/02-12:10 PM, "Eric" <HPLX@BattleQuest.com> wrote:
>Thanks,  I was reading through the docs last night and saw the section on
>the CFG files but didn't see any info on zoom (granted,
>it was late and I was scanning it quickly....a rather large document.).  I
>didn't think to open the CFG file to see what setting
>may be readily available for changing.

Yes, it is in the CFG file itself, and the documentation is attached to it
is the form of the line I repeated in my other post.

Good luck, enjoy the program!

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Is there a way to open a file at a given position, say at line
157?

Etienne

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Folks,

Does the 1000cx have any builtin software? Does it have Lotus=
 1-2-3?
--
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I think it only comes with MS-DOS.  That was the design intent ... as a bare-
bones box for vertical integrators, if I recall correctly.

- Longden
> Does the 1000cx have any builtin software? Does it have Lotus 1-2-3?

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At 11/9/02-12:10 PM, Etienne Lemaire <etienne.lemaire@pandora.be> wrote:
>Is there a way to open a file at a given position, say at line
>157?

Not open to that position, but once opened, CTRL=G and fill in the desired
line.

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At 11/9/02-12:10 PM, patrick@west.net wrote:
>Folks,
>
>Does the 1000cx have any builtin software? Does it have Lotus 1-2-3?

No. it is really just a DOS machine. It has a bit of SETUP stuff.

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This subject was discussed in a previous post. Has this problem been
identified and resolved or is it still in limbo?. The problem occurs  when
tremm.exe -the ems memory manager is used in the doublespeed upgrade. Upon
rebooting error #1 is displayed. I have seen the previous posts but there
seems to be no consensus as to why this is happening. I have had no luck
with thaddeus or times2tech. Is Mack at times2tech still available for
resolving this problem?

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On Friday, 08.11.2002 at 23:13 CET, Erwann ABALEA <erwann@ABALEA.COM>=20
wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> I just bought a new external power supply (a Thomson 1000 mA)=20
> to go on my
> tests with my PCMCIA cards, and while looking for it in the=20
> store, I found
> NiMH batteries rated 2000 mAh.
>=20
> The brand seems to be 'Inter Image', the model seems to be=20
> 'Digital
> Power'. They cost 17.90 EUR for a 4-pack.
> [Jacques, I found them in Auchan La D=E9fense, if you want to=20
> check :) ]
>=20
> I have downloaded ABC/LX, and I'm charging them right now.
>=20
> Does anyone have some experience with these batteries, or=20
> this 'brand'?
>=20
Recently I've seen a few different brands of 2000 mAh NiMH=20
batteries in Germany at Media Markt and other places. They=20
seem to be marketed primarily for digital cameras. I have no
experience with these, the most powerful AA batteries I own
are 1800 mAh sold by Ansmann under their own brand name
(although I don't think they are the manufacturer, they=20
manufacture chargers). I bought them only a few weeks ago
(for about the same price you've quoted) so I can't say much
about their performance and durability yet.

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On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Ulrich Boche wrote:

> Recently I've seen a few different brands of 2000 mAh NiMH
> batteries in Germany at Media Markt and other places. They
> seem to be marketed primarily for digital cameras.

These ones are marketed for "digital cameras, portable telephones, toys
and ther devices that use AA size batteries"... Anything. :)

> I have no
> experience with these, the most powerful AA batteries I own
> are 1800 mAh sold by Ansmann under their own brand name
> (although I don't think they are the manufacturer, they
> manufacture chargers). I bought them only a few weeks ago
> (for about the same price you've quoted) so I can't say much
> about their performance and durability yet.

I managed to charge them to 2.79 V (2.81 V with my multimeter), hardly.
I don't know if this sounds normal or not, I'm not used to rechargable
batteries. Is the mention 1.2 V on the batteries important?

In parallel, I'm using a standard NiCD charger, and I'll check the
resulting voltage. Then I'll check the time necessary for them to be
empty...

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Date:         Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:05:24 -0500
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try using a keystroke pusher.


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> Is there a way to open a file at a given position, say at line
> 157?
>
> Etienne
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Does Anyone knows where to buy/get a cheap 31.673 MHz crystal to do the speed upgrade?
I was able to get a 32 MHz cylindrical (3x9 mm) crystal for USD $6 but I read about some problems with non-exact frequency. I don't know which problems solve the japanese driver and which reminds.

Thanks a lot.

Dario

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Date:         Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:00:05 -0800
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LXer's

I downloaded Magellan 2.0 from SUPER yesterday and have been trying it
out.  So far, it seems to be quite useful.  While I have figured out most
of what it can do by trial/error, one thing I have not been able to
discover is the HOTKEY sequence to invoke it when it is running as a RAM
resident program ((loaded into RAM by:  MG /TSR)).  Does anyone know what
this is?

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:00 PM
Subject: Magellan 2.0 from SUPER


>
> LXer's
>
> I downloaded Magellan 2.0 from SUPER yesterday and have been
trying it
> out.  So far, it seems to be quite useful.  While I have
figured out most
> of what it can do by trial/error, one thing I have not been
able to
> discover is the HOTKEY sequence to invoke it when it is
running as a RAM
> resident program ((loaded into RAM by:  MG /TSR)).  Does
anyone know what
> this is?
>
> Thanks,
> Martin G. Ramirez

From a quick look at the documentation, the TSR portion tracks
changes to your files between Magellan sessions. Running the TSR
portion speeds up the next invocation of Magellan. After the
first time, Magellan will not have to rescan the disk before
displaying the file list.

You could not find the hot key because there is none to find.

Thomas G. Hess
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Hi,

I've been using the Ansmann batteries for quite a while with good success.=

You should be able to charge longer. Try to set your starting voltage a =
bit
higher so ABC can do it within the limit of 16 hours. At the end my log =
file
looks like this:

     5 2.95 1 229
   151 2.91 1 226
     2 2.95 1 229
    75 2.91 1 226
     2 2.95 1 229
   283 2.91 1 226
     2 2.95 1 229
    51 2.91 1 226
   319 2.92 1 227
     2 2.88 1 224
   947 2.92 1 227
     4 2.88 1 224
   304 2.92 1 227
     1 2.97 1 230
  1975 2.92 1 227
     4 2.88 1 224
  2394 2.92 1 227
     3 2.97 1 230
     2 2.92 1 227

I have set my starting voltage at 2.44. Of course you then have a "reserve=
"
of several hours before the Palmtop really gets hungry.
I believe I get around 14 hours usage out of them, but I would have to =
check
the battery counter next time.

Jean-Pierre Beekhuis

> --- quoted text below was sent by Erwann ABALEA ---
> On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Ulrich Boche wrote:
>
> > Recently I've seen a few different brands of 2000 mAh NiMH
> > batteries in Germany at Media Markt and other places. They
> > seem to be marketed primarily for digital cameras.
>
> These ones are marketed for "digital cameras, portable telephones, toys
> and ther devices that use AA size batteries"... Anything. :)
>
> > I have no
> > experience with these, the most powerful AA batteries I own
> > are 1800 mAh sold by Ansmann under their own brand name
> > (although I don't think they are the manufacturer, they
> > manufacture chargers). I bought them only a few weeks ago
> > (for about the same price you've quoted) so I can't say much
> > about their performance and durability yet.
>
> I managed to charge them to 2.79 V (2.81 V with my multimeter), hardly.
> I don't know if this sounds normal or not, I'm not used to rechargable
> batteries. Is the mention 1.2 V on the batteries important?
>
> In parallel, I'm using a standard NiCD charger, and I'll check the
> resulting voltage. Then I'll check the time necessary for them to be
> empty...
>
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I don't get it?


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20h29m ago Curti Family wrote:


 > I am new to using a 200LX and am looking for a good way to transfer
 > files to and from a desktop.  I am running Windows 98 on my desktop.
 > I am currently using Kermit 95. version 2, with a serial cable for
 > data transfer.  It seems > slow and cumbersome.  Is there a better
 > way? I have had trouble finding an HP connectivity pack.

I have Connectivity pack (from HP) but have never used it. I use
TransfileWin when I have no network nearby. When a network is available,
I put the palmtop at a node and start LXtelnet. It starts in server mode
as a default. I then connect to the palmtop by FTP and transfer files to
and from the palmtop this way. It is *much* faster than any other
solution I have found. To do this you need an Ethernet card (Accton or
The other low power one from socket.com). The drivers are on supersite
http://www.palmtop.net/super.html. Lots of other good software there as
well. Welcome!

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The message was meant to display the minimalist philosophy that is such a
common thread in the workings of a 16-bit Dos based pocket computer.


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> I don't get it?
>
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Hi Dario

12h17m ago Dario Draiman wrote:

> Does Anyone knows where to buy/get a cheap 31.673 MHz crystal to do the speed upgrade?
> I was able to get a 32 MHz cylindrical (3x9 mm) crystal for USD $6 but I read about some problems with non-exact frequency. I don't know which problems solve the japanese driver and which reminds.

AFAIK, this quartz was custmized for Times2Tech's Doublespeed project,
so you won't find it anywhere else.
However, you could try the 32MHz upgrade and if you encounter problems,
buy the 31.673MHz quartz and replace the 32MHz one.

daniel

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Sun, 10.11.02 4:51 PM +0200

Hi friends,

I'm looking for someone whose native language is English, and who has
much experience with the palmtop hardware (disassembling, replacing
parts, especially screen).

The reason is: The backlight installation instructions are almost
ready, but I want them to be proof-read by someone, to avoid ambiguous
descriptions and errors.

Please mail me privately.

Thank you
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Daniel,

I don't think the 32Mhz would work, take a look at:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/hp/palmtops-faq/section-16.html

Also, other great non-doublespped related info at:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/hp/palmtops-faq/preamble.html

Regards,
Eric

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> Sun, 10.11.02 4:51 PM +0200
>
> Hi friends,
>
> I'm looking for someone whose native language is English, and who has
> much experience with the palmtop hardware (disassembling, replacing
> parts, especially screen).
>
> The reason is: The backlight installation instructions are almost
> ready, but I want them to be proof-read by someone, to avoid ambiguous
> descriptions and errors.
>
> Please mail me privately.
>
> Thank you
> Daniel
>
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:01:40 +0200, Tomas Moberg wrote:

> Hi!
> What ModemInit should I use with www/lx and Nokia 8210 to get the fastest speed?
> I know that Peichl and Bergvill have fooled around with it a lot.
> Did You ever come up with an optimal ModemInit?
> I have seen stuff like:
> ModemInit=AT&F+CBST=14,0,1
> Modeminit=ATZ+cbst=81,0,1;+chsn=6,0,0,0
> But that is all mumbo jumbo to me.

I am about 3 months behind on the list so thats why I reply so late.

Tomas I am not sure what init I have tried that is the best. I had a
6210 and now I have a T39. Here is my www.cfg with a lot of init's:

They work but not sure which one is the best. I think Daniel and Tony
have done more testing than me.

[ISP_Telenor]
Port=-1
Baud=19200
Modem=1
PPP=1
;ModemInit=AT&F+cbst=75,0,1;chsn=2,0,0,0
;ModemInit=ATZ+cbst=75,0,1
;6210Modeminit=ATZ+cbst=81,0,1;+chsn=4,0,0,0
;Modeminit=AT&F
Modeminit=ATZ+cbst=0,0,1;+chsn=4,2,0,12
;Modeminit=ATZ+cbst=80,0,1;+chsn=4,2,0,12
[ISP_Gprs]
;Magic=0
;askDNS1=0
;askDNS2=0
;mask1=0
;nocompress=1
;LCPwait=2
Port=-1
OmniGo=1
PPP=1
Modem=1
Baud=38400
ModemInit=AT+cgdcont=1,"IP","internet"
;,IP,internet
Dial=*99*0*1*1#
Password=>333
;Dial=*99***1#

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On Sat,  3 Aug 2002 22:52:43 +0200, Axel Berger wrote:

Axel

> If I were a judge any one of those "poor innocent victims" I'd fine him
> twice the amount he lost already. But what is "justice" today?

Actually here in Norway there were a couple of guys that had to pay a
fine because they tried to white wash money this way.

They ofcourse lost a lot of money and in addition got the fine.

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Klaus wrote:
> This subject was discussed in a previous post. Has this problem been
> identified and resolved or is it still in limbo?. The problem occurs  when
> tremm.exe -the ems memory manager is used in the doublespeed upgrade. Upon
> rebooting error #1 is displayed. I have seen the previous posts but there
> seems to be no consensus as to why this is happening. I have had no luck
> with thaddeus or times2tech. Is Mack at times2tech still available for
> resolving this problem?

I don't know what Error #1 is but I'll take a wild guess, could
it be your TREMM.SWP is too fragmented?  Other possible error
messages I harvested from TREMM.EXE are...

  Swap file not found
  Read error on swap file
  Write error on swap file
  Swap file location error

Mack's address is: mack@times2tech.com

Let us know the cause when you find out.

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Hi,
    I'm trying to track down a PDF (Adobe Acrobat) version of the Nokia
DTP-2 DataCard manual. This was the Datacard used in the 700LX to interface
with the 2110 mobile phone (usually plugged into a huge docking station on
the top of the 700LX).
    Has anyone got a copy of this manual they could send me?

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Hello everybody!

My name is Attila Vrabecz. I've bought a Hp200lx recently:))) (before that I had a Psion s3c - what a
difference). I think I've found the perfect one for me:))) I'm a graduating student in chemics, but I love to
play around everything concerning computers and informatics. I plan to do some asm programming for HPLX, mainly
I've some game ideas...
I've visited a lot of good websites (thx. for all), and read a lot of docs. But I have some questions yet.
I've bought my machine with an Epson Flash X:Port with 12 megs and :
1. it has two switches on it, what are they good for?
2. it's equipped with a parallel port, but i have no cabel for it, any suggestions how to use it?
Internet:
3. I've an Ericsson R600, will I be able to use it for internet (with GPRS)? It would be a lot of fun:)))
I'd like to do the speed upgrade myself, and there's a company here (Budapest - Hungary) which sells crystals
for about 2-4 dollars, but
4. I don't the maximum size of the crystal I can put in
and they sell crystals changing about 0.025Mhz, so here is the question:
5. shall I ask them to make an exactly 31.xxx (what's the number exactly?), or it will be the same for a not so
exactly 31.xxx crystal...?

Thanx for all, and sorry for my english

        VrAbi

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Attila Vrabecz writes:
> Hello everybody!
>
> My name is Attila Vrabecz. I've bought a Hp200lx recently:))) (before that I had a Psion s3c - what a
> difference). I think I've found the perfect one for me:)))

Welcome!

I'm not familiar with the hardware modifications you mentioned, but
some of our list members may be.  Regarding games, you need to know
that Curtis Cameron's games sort of set the standard for the 200LX.
You can get his games from the SUPER site <http://www.palmtop.net>,
or from his site <http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx>.  This is not
meant to discourage you in any way, but just to give you an idea
of what is possible.

Regarding GPRS internet use, you'll need to hear from our European
members I think, but there are several who are very knowledgeable.

Ted

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Hi,

   You could look into the MS-DOS INTERLNK and INTERSVR
programs, they worked with Win95.  And the LapLink Remote
that is built in to the 200LX can be copied to the desktop
and then used in server mode.

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Anyone know where I can get 2000mAh AA's in the States (So Cal)?

Joe

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They are available on eBay.

Mike

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Anyone know where I can get 2000mAh AA's in the States (So Cal)?

Joe

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Joe:
http://www.batteriesamerica.com/ has 2000ma nickel metal hydrides for
$3.50 each.
I bought these batteries in May at a hamfest from him for $2.50 each
as a hamfest special.
I would mention this to him (Ed Yost) and see if he would extend you
the same discount.
Regards,

Jack Skelley
skelley@newjerseydevils.com


Joe Buford wrote:

> Anyone know where I can get 2000mAh AA's in the States (So Cal)?
>
> Joe
>
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This place ain't in SoCal but they'll ship there for $5.50

GP batteries are usually considered to be the top-o-the-line. I've seen a
few web sites that do tests and the GPs are always at or near the top.

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/greenbatteries-store/gp20nimaabat.html




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> Anyone know where I can get 2000mAh AA's in the States (So Cal)?
>
> Joe
>
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>

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Yep, definitely better deals on Ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1396706983

2.50 a pop and 7 bux shipping.

This is the same guy that was selling those cheapo 1800Mah for $1.25. I
ordered 20 of them and they seem to work well. I guess he was making room
for the new breed.


Here's some sonys even cheaper

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=800480502


I wonder who really makes them?


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> They are available on eBay.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:16 AM
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
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>
> Anyone know where I can get 2000mAh AA's in the States (So Cal)?
>
> Joe
>
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TigerDirect still has the Lexar USB PCMCIA/CF/SmartMedia reader, but it is
back up to $14.99
(http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=L6
1-3188%20P). It also comes with a CF->PCMCIA adapter, which you will need to
use CF in an LX.

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> I am new to using a 200LX and am looking for a good way to
transfer files to
> and from a desktop.  I am running Windows 98 on my desktop.  I am
currently
> using Kermit 95. version 2, with a serial cable for data tranfer.
It seems
> slow and cumbersom.  Is there a better way?  I have had trouble
finding an
> HP connectivity pack.

I installed a compact flash card reader on my PC.  It's made by
Sandisk and I think they're currently 29.95.  Installation on the
usb port is simple.

I use a compact flash card in my 200lx with an adapter an when I'm
ready for a backup I backup C: to A: (the flash card) and then
backup A: to the pc through my card reader.  The entire process
takes about a minute or two.  Restoration is trivial.  I can do a
complete restoration or just restore individual files.  It's a
perfect system for me.

Barry

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Hello Attila,

welcome to the list!

04h34m ago Attila Vrabecz wrote:

> I've bought my machine with an Epson Flash X:Port with 12 megs and :
> 1. it has two switches on it, what are they good for?

no idea. What is an Epson Flash X:Port? Is it a PCMCIA card? Never
heard about that. If it's anything rare, it would be interesting to see
some photos...

> Internet:
> 3. I've an Ericsson R600, will I be able to use it for internet (with GPRS)? It would be a lot of fun:)))

I don't know the Ericsson R600 (is it a phone?), but please visit
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/mob_hplx
this may give you an idea about what is necessary to use GPRS with that
device. At the bottom there are a few AT command sheets, one for
Ericsson devices, I think, and a table of GPRS and HSCSD AT-commands.
If you have further questions, don't hesitate to ask on the list!
Here are some people who use GPRS with the 200LX, I use it only very
seldom, due to its high costs. GSM is still much cheaper. I use an
Ericsson T39m phone and D&A's WWW/LX software.

> I'd like to do the speed upgrade myself, and there's a company here (Budapest - Hungary) which sells crystals
> for about 2-4 dollars, but
> 4. I don't the maximum size of the crystal I can put in

Take the smallest one. :-)
The pictures on http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/200lx may help you. It
should be a cylindrical case, but you can also use other packages, SMD
would be good, because it's small.

> and they sell crystals changing about 0.025Mhz, so here is the question:
> 5. shall I ask them to make an exactly 31.xxx (what's the number exactly?), or it will be the same for a not so
> exactly 31.xxx crystal...?

Also this question may be answered by my 200LX page above.
If you don't use the exact frequency, you may get timing problems with
some hardware, especially with the serial port, the PCMCIA port, the
IrDA port.... there is a driver for 32MHz quartzes. Some people use
32MHz successfully, but I don't think that this is such a good idea.
Too many potential problems. You can still buy the original Double
speed crystal (TechSpeed Upgrade Kit) from Tom Rundel in Germany:
www.rundel.net

Hope this helps
daniel


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Welcome to the group !

> 1. it has two switches on it, what are they good for?
> 2. it's equipped with a parallel port, but i have no cabel for it, any
suggestions how to use it?
Sorry, these questions I have no answer for, perhaps someone else will know.

> I've some game ideas...
Great !!! Always good to have more games !!
The resident expert in games (probably most highly used games on the
palmtop) is C Cameron (he also has some sample code and tips to get you
started, although not in ASM):
http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx/
Plus, to make your games have the 200LX look and feel, make sure to check
out the PAL Library (C Language) that has tons of work already done for
menus, sound, graphics, etc:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/gilles/
(Click on PAL....also there are other cool programs like Vertical Reader-VR)

> 3. I've an Ericsson R600, will I be able to use it for internet (with
GPRS)? It would be a lot of fun:)))
There is a great deal of information about connecting to  a cellular phone
on Daniels site:
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/index_pt.shtml
As for using the internet, alot of people use WWW/LX from DA Software:
(http://www.dasoft.com/index1.html), there is a trial version (as well as a
TON of other programs) on the SUPER site.  (The defacto repository of free
and trial software for the 200LX:
http://www.palmtop.net/

> I'd like to do the speed upgrade myself, and there's a company here
(Budapest - Hungary) which sells crystals
> 4. I don't the maximum size of the crystal I can put in
> and they sell crystals changing about 0.025Mhz, so here is the question:
> 5. shall I ask them to make an exactly 31.xxx (what's the number
exactly?), or it will be the same for a not so
> exactly 31.xxx crystal...?
For specifics, take a look at:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/hp/palmtops-faq/preamble.html
but it seems that (contrary to that FAQ) you can use 32Mhz crstals with the
drivers on this page (although I have no idea how good the drivers are):
http://homepage1.nifty.com/dnaka/hp200lx/lxkaie3.htm (also linked from
Daniel's page).
I should mention that most people use Times2Tech or Thaddeus computer for
upgrades:
http://www.times2tech.com/hp200lx.html
http://www.palmtoppaper.com/

By the way, one suggestion is to check out the BUDDY program, it contains
TONS of useful shortcuts and to make your palmtop much more usable:
http://www.buddy.com/index1.html


Again, Welcome to the group !

Regards,
Eric


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> Hello everybody!

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I just picked up 2 Simpletech 128MB ATA PCMCIA cards. PN 90000-00753-109

Both work fine in both my SS and DS 200lx's

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If anyone has digests #342, 343, and 344 and could forward them to me I
would be grateful.

Thanks

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Joe,
They should be in your In Box now.
Bob

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> If anyone has digests #342, 343, and 344 and could forward them to me I
> would be grateful.
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe

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On 2002-11-08, Erwann ABALEA wrote:

> [...] I found NiMH batteries rated 2000 mAh.

Impressive - if this reflects the actual capacity they provide.
So far, the highest-capacity brand-name AA (NC as well as NiMH)
cells I have seen were in the range of 1600 mAh.

> The brand seems to be 'Inter Image', the model seems to
> be 'Digital Power'. They cost 17.90 EUR for a 4-pack.

The price would be OK, I guess.

> Does anyone have some experience with these batteries,
> or this 'brand'?

No, not with them. But my general experience with no-name
(rechargable as well as non-rechargable) battery brands is
that they sometimes have rather utopic specifications.
It's simply, that the manufacturers have nothing to loose,
so there's no risk to make false claims or sell spoilage.
Since they are often sold in different places (supermarket
instead of electronics shops) the average clientel will
usually not even recognize the differences.

Not directly related to the HP LX, but for my HP 48GX,
I once bought a number of cheap no-name Golden Peak (GP)
50AAAHC cells (nominal capacity 500 mAh), which turned
out to have extremely high tolerances although they were
all from the same charge. Their measured capacity (after
formation in a microcontrolled charger) was in the range
of 380..495 mAh within the 5 cells I bought. So, none of
them did reach the nominal capacity (they never did, although
they have gone through many refresh cycles now), and the
tolerances were just too far off.

I also bought a bunch of brand-name Varta "AccuPlus Ultra"
600 mAh cells. These have been the highest-capacity AAA
cells available at that time and they were much more
expensive, but the measured capacity was in the range
595..610 mAh within ten cells from the same production
charge. I am very satisfied with them, and they last way
much longer in the calculator than the GP cells do.

To give you an impression of the quality difference between
the GP and the Varta cells, with the Varta NiMH cells
I usually have around 20 - 30 minutes normal interactive
usage time left on the HP 48GX when the "low-bat"
indicator lights up. If you switch it off immediately,
you still have many weeks before the calculator looses
its memory contents.
With the GP cells, it really comes close to the pro-verbal
"two-minute warning"... It might have been an exception,
but at least I will avoid GP and other no-name cells in
the future...

For AA size and larger I have also made good experiences
with various Panasonic cells over the years, but only NC
(not NiMH) technology so far. I use them with all kinds
of equipment. Most of them are still fine after ten or
more years. (I once lost several cells when I had to use
a cheap non-automatic charger when I was out of town...)

The problem with high tolerances is that the device (calculator,
PDA, etc.) "dies" when the first cell in the row drops voltage,
so you can never use them up to their real capacity unless
you start to "select" cells, something the manufacturer
should do, IMHO...
Also, mixed use of good and bad cells in a non-ultra-low-power-
device may further damage the bad ones due to negative current
(no problem in the HP 48GX, but might already be problem in the
HP 200LX, depending on how much current it draws).
And if you do not charge them in a good (but expensive) micro-
controller charger (like for example the Conrad Charge Manager
2000 etc.), which controls each battery slot on its own, things
will get worst over time.

Hope it helps,

 Matthias

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Joe,

Sorry, but Boeing now thinks my email address is sending you SPAM and won't=
 accept the digests I sent you.

And sorry to the list members as I must send this message to Joe via the li=
st rather than personally.

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This version is hereby released.

It was available quite a long time ago, and for some reason was not
released back in December 2001. I do not recall the reason why. I speculate
that maybe we "sat" on it a few days just in case, but then forgot to
release it.

Anyway, it solves one problem and adds two more features.

Enjoy.

http://www.dasoft.com/ann.htm  -- announcement

http://www.dasoft.com/PE/latest.htm  --  the detailed info about the release

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a few days ago i was doing work on one of my medical databases. Surprise,
after about an hour (unsaved), at the moment i pressed F3 to edit a note in
the db, i saw strange characters appearing. when i hit esc i found the db
garbled.

next i tried to load another db (F9) but it said 'wrong file type'. by
looking at Filer next i noticed that all database names were changed in that
directory, and a few others in another directory. it wouldn't even let me
view (F8) them. in other words, the RAM seemed faulty. so i tried esc+on and
tested, but it showed no errors. i tried to copy the files to A but it said
I/O device error.

so, what could it be ?!? memory chip ?!?
i am afraid to do any more work on it for fear i might lose it.

on a lighter note, knowing there are a few 'wine/beer/alcohol' DBs (and
lovers) around  :) .. i am designing a 'cheese-ww.gdb' with innumerble
categories  ;) <twinkly grin> - anyone has a favorite cheese .._._ AND knows
model, make, fat content, source (cow, goat etc) please e-mail off-list. I
would also like to design the DB so it can be easily imported by Jornada
users (into pocketAccess) please advise on-list with subject `LX-DB to
PocketAccess`.

I admit the final version to be biased towards French cheeses. There is a 1
to 10 rating .. and the worst so far is one called 'yukijirushi' made in
Japan. it has so many preservatives.. you can leave it in the sun for two
weeks without the effects of food poisoning!

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Nathalie,

It sounds like a FAT (file allocation table) corruption on your RAM
drive.  Not a pretty sight and I'm not sure there's a good recovery
procedure, particularly with a database file ... at least not one that's
easy.  Sounds like your own LX could've used a touch of
"yukijirushi" to preserve its contents ... sorry I couldn't resist.

The esc+on test might not detect the error because it probably
doesn't test at the file system level ... it only does basic
electronics testing.  The thing that corrupted the FAT might've been
a momentary burp or glitch in the electronics that went away after
the damage is done to the logical contents (but not to the actual
circuits).

In your shoes (which would cause some stares), I'd give the DB up
for lost myself ... but I'm a wimp.

- Longden

On 12 Nov 2002, at 4:26, Nathalie Bugeaud wrote:

> a few days ago i was doing work on one of my medical databases.
> Surprise, after about an hour (unsaved), at the moment i pressed F3 to
> edit a note in the db, i saw strange characters appearing. when i hit
> esc i found the db garbled.
>
> next i tried to load another db (F9) but it said 'wrong file type'. by
> looking at Filer next i noticed that all database names were changed
> in that directory, and a few others in another directory. it wouldn't
> even let me view (F8) them. in other words, the RAM seemed faulty. so
> i tried esc+on and tested, but it showed no errors. i tried to copy
> the files to A but it said I/O device error.
>
> so, what could it be ?!? memory chip ?!?
> i am afraid to do any more work on it for fear i might lose it.

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Hi Nathalie,

04h12m ago Nathalie Bugeaud wrote:

> next i tried to load another db (F9) but it said 'wrong file type'. by
> looking at Filer next i noticed that all database names were changed in that
> directory, and a few others in another directory. it wouldn't even let me
> view (F8) them. in other words, the RAM seemed faulty. so i tried esc+on and
> tested, but it showed no errors. i tried to copy the files to A but it said
> I/O device error.

renamed files and IO errors sound very much like a FAT problem. Too
much cheese? ;-) Well, seriously: A FAT problem isn't detected by the
LX's self test. I would strongly recommend you to copy the entire
contents of your C: drive to a flash card, and than try to save what
can be saved, using Scandisk, for example. There might me better
programs for a FAT recovery than Scandisk, but I always use Scandisk
and in most cases it saves at least parts of the data.

If Scandisk is done, try Garlic to repair the databases. Or try to
create a new database and merge the corrupt one into the new one.
This may work.


> i am afraid to do any more work on it for fear i might lose it.

Yes, that's definitely not a good idea. Leave it totally untouched,
copy it as quick as possible. Then begin the repair work immediately.


The Scandisk.exe which comes with Windows 95 works great on the LX.

Call it with parameter /mono for the monochrome screen.

daniel


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On 12 Nov 2002, at 9:44, Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> renamed files and IO errors sound very much like a FAT problem. Too
> much cheese? ;-) Well, seriously: A FAT problem isn't detected by the
> LX's self test. I would strongly recommend you to copy the entire
> contents of your C: drive to a flash card, and than try to save what
> can be saved, using Scandisk, for example. There might me better
> programs for a FAT recovery than Scandisk, but I always use Scandisk
> and in most cases it saves at least parts of the data.

If there's a FAT error, how would she copy the contents of the C:
drive?  Most copy utilities operate on the FAT level.

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Would be nice if we could add a MIC and EAR plug, like you often see
on voice recorders. That way you could use a standard earphones/microphone
solution.

Would this be feasible ? Note that I once tried to add an audio jack to the
95LX, but there simple wasn't enough place to do this. Now I regret
having done this on my 95LX. So if we try it on the 700LX, it must
be nice and clean.

By the way: on the 95LX is great 8-bit digitized sound. Connecting
it to external speakers gives a nice sound. Recently, I wrote
an unlimited length Mac 8-bit sound player for the 95LX. If someone
is interested, I'll ask to put it on SUPER.






>From: Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE>
>Reply-To: Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE>
>To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
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>Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:37:40 +0100
>
>Please don't mail and post.
>Christian Felique wrote:
> > Would be great!
>
>Right. Please be patient, I do tend to take my time.
>
> > ? Daniel Hertrich tells on his webpage that the casing
> > of the 700LX wastes a lot of space. Maybe this means there's still
> > some space inside to build-in this circuit.
>
>Yes, I suppose so. If you look at the lid moulding it is quite wide at
>the side of the Nokia plug. In the middle is the plug itself, at the
>bottom the release mechanism but the top is unused.
>
>Axel
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Longden Loo wrote:

> On 12 Nov 2002, at 9:44, Daniel Hertrich wrote:
>
> > renamed files and IO errors sound very much like a FAT problem. Too
> > much cheese? ;-) Well, seriously: A FAT problem isn't detected by the
> > LX's self test. I would strongly recommend you to copy the entire
> > contents of your C: drive to a flash card, and than try to save what
> > can be saved, using Scandisk, for example. There might me better
> > programs for a FAT recovery than Scandisk, but I always use Scandisk
> > and in most cases it saves at least parts of the data.
>
> If there's a FAT error, how would she copy the contents of the C:
> drive?  Most copy utilities operate on the FAT level.

What I would do is:
 - copy all the C: content to a single file on a flashcard, sector by
   sector. That way, the FAT isn't used
 - setup another machine with a resizable RAM drive (such as srdisk, for
   example), and set the RAM disk to the exact size of the C: drive of the
   HP200, with the same number of FAT (I think it's 1, unfortunately)
 - copy the content of your saved file to the RAM drive, then reproducing
   the disk structure of your HP200
 - try to run disk repair utilities on this RAM drive

A variant would be to use a Linux box with mkdosfs with the good
parameters on a flat file, and then try fsck.msdos.

Another variant, the very last one, would be to manually recover your
valuable files from the copy of your C: drive. This one should be small
enough to do it by hand, but even with a small disk, this is a big work,
and you *must* know your files...

I wrote a small program some years ago to copy a whole drive to a single
file (it is able to do the reverse too). I can look for it if you want to
test this method.

Please note that given enough time, patience, and effort, it's hard to
really loose important data with such problems.

Bon courage!

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On Tuesday, 12.11.2002 at 04:26 CET, Nathalie Bugeaud <planetary@FREE.FR>
wrote:
> a few days ago i was doing work on one of my medical
> databases. Surprise,
> after about an hour (unsaved), at the moment i pressed F3 to
> edit a note in
> the db, i saw strange characters appearing. when i hit esc i
> found the db
> garbled.
>
> next i tried to load another db (F9) but it said 'wrong file
> type'. by
> looking at Filer next i noticed that all database names were
> changed in that
> directory, and a few others in another directory. it wouldn't
> even let me
> view (F8) them. in other words, the RAM seemed faulty. so i
> tried esc+on and
> tested, but it showed no errors. i tried to copy the files to
> A but it said
> I/O device error.
>
> so, what could it be ?!? memory chip ?!?
> i am afraid to do any more work on it for fear i might lose
> it.
>
I agree with other postings here that you're likely the victim of a
corrupted FAT. If you can use a flash memory card with Norton
Disk Doctor for DOS on it, you might be able to salvage some of
your memory drive. Good luck. Of course, this is one of the
situations when backup rules.

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Greetings to old list members,
I have got the task to extract tasks from  Visual Prolog 5.2 program and
make a minimized palmtop version.
Is there anybody among you who has got success with a
Turbo,
PDC, or
Visual Prolog (but code target=DOS) program on the HP 200 LX?

I have read from the manual that the palmtop has 80x25 screen.
What do the _zoom_ _options_ mean?

What are the general recommendations and important tricks for writing
programs for the DOS built in the HP 200 LX?
                                           Regards
                                               Ferenc Nagy
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Date:         Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:52:29 +0100
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Le Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:13:59 +0100
Erwann ABALEA <erwann@ABALEA.COM> a =E9crit:

> [Jacques, I found them in Auchan La D=E9fense, if you want to check :) =
]

Sorry, not this time for me...
For the HP200LX, I am still using Leader Price alkalines batteries (at
1.21 euro the set of 4), giving me more than 35hours of run...=20
(And once they are rejected by the palmtop, they are still useable in
some less power dependant equipements, like radio sets or lights sources.=
..)

BTW, two or three weeks ago, I seen 2100mA NiMH batteries...
Don't remember the price.
I think it was at the Fnac Les Halles... If you want to check ;-)

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Date:         Tue, 12 Nov 2002 07:44:09 -0700
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You've never tried Velveta (a processed "American" cheese made by Kraft), I
gather.

Bob

P.S. Sorry to hear about your corrupted disk. You've gotten some good advice
from others, so I can only add that I had good luck using Garlic on a
corrupted db.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nathalie Bugeaud [mailto:planetary@FREE.FR]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:26 PM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: I/O device error and cheese

<snip>

I admit the final version to be biased towards French cheeses. There is a 1
to 10 rating .. and the worst so far is one called 'yukijirushi' made in
Japan. it has so many preservatives.. you can leave it in the sun for two
weeks without the effects of food poisoning!

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Get a copy of PAL (Palmtop Applications Library) from Super
http://www.palmtop.net/super6.html . It provides C libraries of routines
that will make your programming easier and more professional looking.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 5:44 AM
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<snip>

What are the general recommendations and important tricks for writing
programs for the DOS built in the HP 200 LX?
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From: "Dr. Ferenc Nagy" <nagyf@ALPHA0.IKI.KFKI.HU>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 5:44 AM
Subject: Prolog on HP 200 LX


> Greetings to old list members,
> I have got the task to extract tasks from  Visual Prolog 5.2
program and
> make a minimized palmtop version.
> Is there anybody among you who has got success with a
> Turbo,
> PDC, or
> Visual Prolog (but code target=DOS) program on the HP 200 LX?

I don't know Prolog but I did have a fairly early version of Turbo
Prolog (I can't recall the version number. Maybe 1.5?) and I tried
it on my 100lx and it seemed to work fine with the sample programs.
But I never got around to learning it.

> I have read from the manual that the palmtop has 80x25 screen.
> What do the _zoom_ _options_ mean?

The screen has 3 resolutions.  Pressing FN+SPACE cycles through
40x16, 64x18 and 80x25.  That's usually called Zoom.  In the lower
resolutions you're really seeing a window on an 80x25 screen and
the MENU+arrow keys can slide the window around.  That's awkward
but if you have to read a bunch it's sometimes worthwhile.  The
text is really small on the 80x25 screen.  At least for me.

> What are the general recommendations and important tricks for
writing
> programs for the DOS built in the HP 200 LX?

You don't really need many tricks.  Most older compilers work just
fine.  I use Turbo C 2.0 and Tasm (I don't recall which version).
I have used MS C 6 and Masm 5.1.  BC++ 2.0 works fine but it's a
little slow on the single speed 200lx.  I don't have double speed.
I've played with a variety of Forths and there's even a version of
Pygmy Forth on Super that's been modified to work nicely on the
200lx 64x18 screen.

Most editors work fine.  I use TSE Jr.  formerly qedit.  But a lot
of others are being used also.

The most severe limitation is that most debuggers won't work well
on the 200lx.  Debug is fine and MS Symdeb (that came with Masm 4)
works fine.  That's what I use, along with Turbo C and Tasm.  It
uses the map file for symbols so it works with MS and borland
compilers for symbolic source level debugging.  Primitive but very
usable.

D86 (from Eric Isaacson) works fine unless you enter graphics mode.

Someone suggested PAL.  I haven't used that but I've seen a lot of
programs that did and it's well worth taking a look at.

Barry

>                                            Regards
>                                                Ferenc Nagy
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Feldman, Robert wrote:

> Get a copy of PAL (Palmtop Applications Library) from Super
> http://www.palmtop.net/super6.html . It provides C libraries of routines
> that will make your programming easier and more professional looking.

I don't think PAL will easily interface with a Prolog interpreter or
compiler... ;)

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Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:26 PM
Subject: I/O device error and cheese


> a few days ago i was doing work on one of my medical databases.
Surprise,
> after about an hour (unsaved), at the moment i pressed F3 to edit
a note in
> the db, i saw strange characters appearing. when i hit esc i
found the db
> garbled.
>
> next i tried to load another db (F9) but it said 'wrong file
type'. by
> looking at Filer next i noticed that all database names were
changed in that
> directory, and a few others in another directory. it wouldn't
even let me
> view (F8) them. in other words, the RAM seemed faulty. so i tried
esc+on and
> tested, but it showed no errors. i tried to copy the files to A
but it said
> I/O device error.
>
> so, what could it be ?!? memory chip ?!?
> i am afraid to do any more work on it for fear i might lose it.

Assuming it is a FAT problem, and it does sound like it, it's
important that you not write anything whatsoever to the disk before
trying to repair it.  Writing to it will likely destroy any chance
there might be of salvaging it.

I've used Norton Disk Doctor (NDD with the Norton Utilities)
successfully a number of times on flopppy disks.  I've never used
it on the LX but there's no reason that I know of that it shouldn't
work.  I should mention that I've also used it unsuccessfully a
number of times. :)

There are other tooks, similar to NDD, that have the option of
returning the disk to the state it found it in if it can't fix it.
That's a good feature if you plan to try to use more than one tool.

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Whenever I access my DOS screen on double speed 200LX, the input of any
character is followed by a tab space.  Thus "exit" looks like this:

e    x    i    t

I have removed all the trs from autoexec; rebooted both hard and soft
without a change.

This does not affect any of the SM or other applications only inputs in DOS?

Any ideas?

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> On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Feldman, Robert wrote:
>
> > Get a copy of PAL (Palmtop Applications Library) from Super
> > http://www.palmtop.net/super6.html . It provides C libraries of
routines
> > that will make your programming easier and more professional
looking.
>
> I don't think PAL will easily interface with a Prolog interpreter
or
> compiler... ;)

Right.  I mentioned that when talking about other tools.

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Hi Longden,

01h20m ago Longden Loo wrote:

> If there's a FAT error, how would she copy the contents of the C:
> drive?  Most copy utilities operate on the FAT level.

Most FAT errors allow at least to copy all the files without FAT
problems. So you would avoid damaging them in any way, if you copy them
before any repair process.
I agree of course that this doesn't help in case of the inaccessable
files...

Nathalie, another chance is the following:  FAT drive usually has two
copies of the FAT stored somewhere, so you could try to use the backup
copy of the FAT instead of the one which seems to be corrupted.

However, I don't know details about that, and I don't know how to
exchange the active FAT. But AFAIK, Scandisk compares both copies to
recognize FAT errors.

daniel

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Hi Christian

37m ago Christian Felique wrote:

> By the way: on the 95LX is great 8-bit digitized sound. Connecting
> it to external speakers gives a nice sound. Recently, I wrote
> an unlimited length Mac 8-bit sound player for the 95LX. If someone
> is interested, I'll ask to put it on SUPER.

I'm interested, since I have heard about the sound abilities of the
95LX, but have never tested them yet.
And additionally, I can put it on SUPER of course, if you want.

daniel

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On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> Hi Longden,
>
> 01h20m ago Longden Loo wrote:
>
> > If there's a FAT error, how would she copy the contents of the C:
> > drive?  Most copy utilities operate on the FAT level.
>
> Most FAT errors allow at least to copy all the files without FAT
> problems. So you would avoid damaging them in any way, if you copy them
> before any repair process.
> I agree of course that this doesn't help in case of the inaccessable
> files...

With a corrupted FAT, you can't reliably copy the files, since the FAT is
used to inform the OS about the good cluster chaining for each file and
directory.

> Nathalie, another chance is the following:  FAT drive usually has two
> copies of the FAT stored somewhere, so you could try to use the backup
> copy of the FAT instead of the one which seems to be corrupted.

Unfortunately, the C: drive of the HP200 has only 1 copy of the FAT,
because it should not fail. The multiple copies (yes, you can have more
than 2 copies) feature has been added because you couldn't trust magnetic
media such as floppy disks. This not the case with the internal memory of
the HP200.

> However, I don't know details about that, and I don't know how to
> exchange the active FAT. But AFAIK, Scandisk compares both copies to
> recognize FAT errors.

If you want to make the OS use the next copy of the FAT, just change the
signature of a FAT (0xf8 0xff for a FAT16 on the first 2 bytes of it) to
0x00 0x00. But that supposes you're able to write a sector.

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> I admit the final version to be biased towards French cheeses. There is a
1
> to 10 rating .. and the worst so far is one called 'yukijirushi' made in
> Japan. it has so many preservatives.. you can leave it in the sun for two
> weeks without the effects of food poisoning!

What about smell? I know I've emptied rooms sometimes when cutting cheese.

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At 11/12/02-05:30 AM, Ulrich Boche <BOCHE@DE.IBM.COM> wrote:
>On Tuesday, 12.11.2002 at 04:26 CET, Nathalie Bugeaud <planetary@FREE.FR>
>wrote:
> > a few days ago i was doing work on one of my medical
> > databases. Surprise,
> > after about an hour (unsaved), at the moment i pressed F3 to
> > edit a note in
> > the db, i saw strange characters appearing. when i hit esc i
> > found the db
> > garbled.

    [...snip more corrupt FAT description...]

>I agree with other postings here that you're likely the victim of a
>corrupted FAT. If you can use a flash memory card with Norton
>Disk Doctor for DOS on it, you might be able to salvage some of
>your memory drive.

On my machine, Norton DD refuses to work on the C drive created by Macks RDT2T.

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At 11/12/02-09:34 AM, Daniel Hertrich <daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE> wrote:
>Most FAT errors allow at least to copy all the files without FAT
>problems. So you would avoid damaging them in any way, if you copy them
>before any repair process.

If the fat is broken she will copy potential trash! If the file occupies
more than one cluster then the FAT is involved in telling which is the next
cluster. If the chains of clusters making up a file are broken - and a
broken FAT is likely to have that happen - then even copying files may copy
some good clusters and some clusters that have nothing to do with the
actual file, but were part of the corruption.

>Nathalie, another chance is the following:  FAT drive usually has two
>copies of the FAT stored somewhere, so you could try to use the backup
>copy of the FAT instead of the one which seems to be corrupted.

If my memory serves, the drive created by RDT2T on add-on memories by
Times2Tech has only ONE FAT.

To copy FATs one would have to have something like Norton Utility. FYI, at
least my own Norton v 6 refuses to work on RDT2T-created drives!

>But AFAIK, Scandisk compares both copies to recognize FAT errors.

And frequently makes the wrong choice. This is the problem with automated
processes like this - they really have "no idea" and no "awareness" of
which is the correct cluster to tie into the chain and which is the wrong
cluster. thus, when these programs "repair" you frequently end up with a
broken program or broken file anyway.

The problem is that one spends LOTS of time and energy on the repair
process, just to end up with broken files anyway. Unfortunately, the best
strategy is to erase and reload the back up. I understand Nathalie's plight
here - she was in the middle of work and hadn't time to back up yet.

One of the main choices to make before choosing a backup strategy is to
answer the following question: "How much time am I willing to spend to
recreate lost work?"

If the answer is 5 hours, then a back up should be taken every 4h45m. At
worst, you have that much work to redo. If the answer is 5 days - then take
a backup at the end of the fourth day, the worst is you'll have to repeat 4
days of work, which is less than the tolerance level chosen.

This is really a serious question and answer, as it helps you determine how
you work, and how you back up work.

Sorry I do not have better news for Nathalie.

BTW, I once had a corrupted 64MB C drive. I could switch to another
machine. I copied what I could (and most of the stuff was macaroni salad,
not valid data!) then I decided to spend the time at least to learn how to
repair a FAT. It took HUGE amounts of work. I had to look at each cluster
and decide if it belonged to the file of to another file (this is called
cross-linking). Of course I did not do it to programs, only to data files,
where at least I could read the data and see if each cluster was the
continuation of the previous. In the end, it took a month to work through
about 5 MB of data file and restore most of it. Still some data was missing
because the cluster was overwritten or I just could not find it among the
many clusters on a 64MB drive. My conclusion was that it was worth
learning, but not worth doing again!

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Ulrich Boche wrote:
> I agree with other postings here that you're likely the victim of a
> corrupted FAT. If you can use a flash memory card with Norton
> Disk Doctor for DOS on it, you might be able to salvage some of
> your memory drive. Good luck. Of course, this is one of the
> situations when backup rules.

This is also one of those occasions where it might useful to
have run a disk defragmenter recently.  Not to speed up disk
accesses but if you end up trying to save files by going after
disk sectors it'll be a lot easier if they are in unfragmented
consecutive order.

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Nathalie Bugeaud wrote:
>   :) .. i am designing a 'cheese-ww.gdb' with innumerble
> categories  ;) <twinkly grin> - anyone has a favorite cheese .._._ AND knows
> model, make, fat content, source (cow, goat etc) please e-mail off-list. I

CheeseWhiz ?  I don't think there are any cow's in its heritage
though; more likely an oil well.  :-)

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Should have gone to the group in the first place, sorry Christian.

Christian Felique wrote:
> Would be nice if we could add a MIC and EAR plug, like you
> often see on voice recorders. That way you could use a
> standard earphones/microphone solution.

Well, the choice of socket is the least concern and open to the one
doing the conversion, i.e. yourself. I'd go for 2.5 mm stereo, tip
microphone, middle speaker, base common mass, as that has become the
standard on all new phones and supersedes all those proprietary
connectors we used to have. The adaptor I have for my 2110 has that
socket as output.

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Hi,

> On Tuesday, 12.11.2002 at 04:26 CET, Nathalie Bugeaud <planetary@FREE.FR>
> wrote:
> > a few days ago i was doing work on one of my medical
> > databases. Surprise,
> > after about an hour (unsaved), at the moment i pressed F3 to
> > edit a note in
> > the db, i saw strange characters appearing. when i hit esc i
> > found the db
> > garbled.
> >

I did remember encountering this once before and I rebooted the
device. Ctrl-Alt-Del. After that it went away.  But I of course
lost the work that I was doing when it happened.  The old data in
the database was intact.

Rgds
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Hi Daniel,

I'll post the program when I am back in Belgium and find the time.

In the current version the program plays the full sample up to the end.
All the processor power is used on the 95LX, and I haven't found a way
yet to check for instance for a keypress to pause the playing. This
would consume to much processing. Some ideas maybe ?

You'll also need a good sound converter. GoldWave works fine. It converts
most audio formats to the Mac SND format.

In the mean time I have assembled a nice collection of samples
in SND format: the Dolby THX sound, various samples of StarWars, Battlestar
Galactica, and TRON. Of course you need a Sandisk CF
to store them.

Inside the 95LX there are two cables going to the speaker, if you
attach these to a large pair of speakers you'll be amazed of the
stunning sound.

Christian.







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>Reply-To: Daniel Hertrich <daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE>
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>Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:34:33 +0200
>
>Hi Christian
>
>37m ago Christian Felique wrote:
>
> > By the way: on the 95LX is great 8-bit digitized sound. Connecting
> > it to external speakers gives a nice sound. Recently, I wrote
> > an unlimited length Mac 8-bit sound player for the 95LX. If someone
> > is interested, I'll ask to put it on SUPER.
>
>I'm interested, since I have heard about the sound abilities of the
>95LX, but have never tested them yet.
>And additionally, I can put it on SUPER of course, if you want.
>
>daniel
>
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Dr. Ferenc Nagy <nagyf@ALPHA0.IKI.KFKI.HU> asked about converting Visual
Prolog programs to work on the HP 200LX.

I've been able to get Turbo Prolog 1 thru 2? to work on the LX, but found
that TProlog didn't meet all the Clocksin-Mellish standards. I tried some
other freeware versions. One freeware version I was able to find is LPA
Prolog 16. I've downloaded it from http://www.lpa.co.uk/ind_dow.htm and am
awaiting the arrival of a password from  zelda@lpa.co.uk to unpack the
encrypted ZIP file and see if it will work on the LX.

The other versions of Prolog on the Net require a '386+ CPU or a Mac. The
GNU Prolog compiler won't run on the LX.

http://www.thefreecountry.com/developercity/prolog.html will lead to a site
where you can download ESL PDProlog, another 16 bit implementation of
prolog--one that doesn't require a password to unpack it.
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Barry wrote:

Hi, Barry!
>
> I don't know Prolog but I did have a fairly early version of Turbo
> Prolog (I can't recall the version number. Maybe 1.5?) and I tried
> it on my 100lx and it seemed to work fine with the sample programs.
> But I never got around to learning it.
Try PDC Prolog for DOS and Visual Prolog. Mow!
>
> > I have read from the manual that the palmtop has 80x25 screen.
> > What do the _zoom_ _options_ mean?
>
> The screen has 3 resolutions.  Pressing FN+SPACE cycles through
> 40x16, 64x18 and 80x25.  That's usually called Zoom.  In the lower
> resolutions you're really seeing a window on an 80x25 screen and
> the MENU+arrow keys can slide the window around.
Great! That means I can plan screen layout as if I had 80x25 and let the
users to switch shift and zoom as their eyes arw able to see.

> Most editors work fine.  I use TSE Jr.  formerly qedit.  But a lot
Qedit of Robelle?

I have a simple home made editor: Proledit (70k) written in Turbo Prolog.
[Turbo and PDC Prolog has built in edit() predicates, so I did not need to
add much tricks.]
That is the small, consists of 3 files exe+help+error messages.

>
> The most severe limitation is that most debuggers won't work well
> on the 200lx.  Debug is fine and MS Symdeb (that came with Masm 4)
I'll look after the tools you have mentioned.
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Ed Keefe wrote:

> Dr. Ferenc Nagy <nagyf@ALPHA0.IKI.KFKI.HU> asked about converting Visual
> Prolog programs to work on the HP 200LX.
>
> I've been able to get Turbo Prolog 1 thru 2? to work on the LX, but found
> that TProlog didn't meet all the Clocksin-Mellish standards. I tried some
Hello Ed,
Why did you consider importants the meeting of C_M standards?
Did you want to to correct the program itself runtime?
I liked the Turbo Prolog for its easy window handling: makewindow with 7
parameters, shiftwindow, ...; for its editor predicates, so on.
Turbo Pascal made the same things with 1000+ statements.

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Hi !

Internet and Email on the 700LX: how ? Is there anyone who can help
me set up my 700LX.

- What software do I need ?
- What kind of info from my provider ?
- How do I configure the software
- CC:Mail ? Is there a way to use this with web-based mail or
  POP accounts ? Is CC:Mail still used ? I read that nobody uses
  this...

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Wee-Meng Lee wrote:
> Ctrl-Alt-Del. After that it went away.  But I of course
> lost the work that I was doing when it happened.
> The old data in the database was intact.

From what I understood here, not only the old data but all the stuff
edited in the last session except for the item you had actually been
working on ought to have been fine. Doesn't the program update the disk
every tiome, making it safe but excruciatingly slow? Please put me right
if I misunderstood something here.

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Christian Felique wrote:
> Internet and Email on the 700LX: how ? Is there anyone who
> can help me set up my 700LX.
>
> - What software do I need ?

Real internet and web is a thing of the past. With all the superfluous
nonsense around today even my pentium 133 with ISDN access is slow, so I
never really tried. I did get nettamer to run on the LX though, but
although many pages worked not a single one did in a way I found
comfortable and acceptable.
For email I have set up "going postal" and it works very nicely.

> - What kind of info from my provider ?
> - How do I configure the software

Going postal comes with well made comprehensive instructions.

> - CC:Mail ? Is there a way to use this with web-based mail or
>   POP accounts ? Is CC:Mail still used ? I read that nobody uses
>   this...

There is a US number you can use as post office. In spite of cost I'm
bound to give it a try someday.

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Avi Meshar wrote:

> "How much time am I willing to spend to recreate lost work?"
> If the answer is 5 hours, then a back up should be taken every 4h45m.

Never thought of it as clearly as that. Thanks Avi!

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From: "Dr. Ferenc Nagy" <nagyf@ALPHA0.IKI.KFKI.HU>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 1:28 AM
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> > Most editors work fine.  I use TSE Jr.  formerly qedit.  But a
lot
> Qedit of Robelle?

I don't understand your question but the Qedit I use is from
www.semware.com.  It's shareware.  You can try it out free and
register to get rid of the nag screens if I remember right.  I've
had it registered for about 13 or 14 years so I might be wrong
about how the shareware part works.

They have a newer program, TSE (as opposed to TSE Jr) that a lot of
people on this list have used and liked.  I'm so used to the
keystrokes of the old one that I've never gotten used to the new
one.  It does have an amazing array of features.  But, then, so
does qedit.

I personally think qedit is the best editor ever written.  And
anyone who disagrees with me is a heretic.  :)

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> Wee-Meng Lee wrote:
> > Ctrl-Alt-Del. After that it went away.  But I of course
> > lost the work that I was doing when it happened.
> > The old data in the database was intact.
>
> From what I understood here, not only the old data but all the
stuff
> edited in the last session except for the item you had actually
been
> working on ought to have been fine. Doesn't the program update
the disk
> every tiome, making it safe but excruciatingly slow? Please put
me right
> if I misunderstood something here.

If you're still talking about fat table corruption there's no way
to predict what might have been damaged.  A more serious problem is
that there's often no way to be sure anything that seems intact is
really intact.  When the fat table is corrupted everything on the
disk is equally at risk.

As to updating the disk every time, that depends on the program.
Some programs do but, offhand, I'd say most programs don't.  I/O is
generally buffered.  If you write a program in C for example, the
default is to have buffered I/O.  You can force disk writes and
even prevent buffering, but that isn't the default.  In my programs
I've increased the buffering more often than I've eliminated it.

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>Whenever I access my DOS screen on double speed 200LX, the input of any
>character is followed by a tab space.=A0 Thus "exit" looks like this:
>
>e=A0=A0=A0 x=A0=A0=A0 i=A0=A0=A0 t
>
>I have removed all the trs from autoexec; rebooted both hard and soft
>without a change.
>
>This does not affect any of the SM or other applications only inputs in =
>=20
>DOS?
>
>Any ideas?

Only in DOS? Things work fine in the built-in apps?

I once had similar problems but it affected everything. I fixed it by tak=
ing=20
the machine apart and cleaning the keyboard.

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Dr. Ferenc Nagy <nagyf@ALPHA0.IKI.KFKI.HU> asked
>>Why did you consider importants the meeting of C_M standards?<<

I was more interested in teaching *logic program* than I was in teaching
interface design.

The text book I was planning to use was based on a different version of
Prolog that didn't require windowing or menues, etc. (That was a long time
ago. The textbook and the Prolog compiler have gone out of print and out of
production.)

Sounds like you've got Turbo Prolog and know how to use it. I liked it as
well. It was relatively fast on the Palmtop and I can recall that one could
resize the four windows in the IDE to make better use of the 64 X 18 sized
screen. (Not so much eyestrain and not so much scrolling.

.ed.

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I have now drawn a diagram of my headset adaptor. It works as follows:
After being plugged in it does nothing. After pressing the momentary
switch (is there a better term for "Taster"?) it goes into "car" mode,
i.e. all rings and all keypress tones and everthing go to the headset
only. To get back to normal you have to unplug it.

Pins 3 and 6 and pins 2 and 11 are permanently connected to each other.
Pin 9 is connected to the base (mass) of the headset plug and to the
minus terminal of the small photo type 12 V battery.
Pin 10 is connected to the middle ring (speaker) of the plug through a
1.5 V 100 uF capacitor.
Pin 2 is connected to the tip (microphone). (Presumably 11 supplies the
voltage it needs)
At rest pin 8 is connected to pin 5.
Pressing the switch breaks that connection and instead connects pin 5 to
the minus and pin 8 to the plus side of the battery.

The 700 uses exactly the same PCMCIA card internally as I have for my
notebook. Normally the phone is plugged to a cable from the back of that
card. In the 700 that socket is unused. Presumably the signal are also
fed out through some pins of the PCMCIA connector at the front. Someone
else must clear that one up. I also do not know how the phone is
connected in the 700. The cable to be normally used uses pins 1, 4, 5,
9, 11, 12, and 15 of the Nokia connector. So ignoring ground pins 5 and
11 are used by both. I can't say if there is a conflict.

>From the highly recommended
        http://www.hardwarebook.net
I have got the following:

                   [GoTo Connector][CONNECTOR][GoTo Main]

Nokia 2110

+-----------------------------------------+
|      16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9             |
| ANT  o  o  o  o  o  o  o  o      Charge |
| (O)                           [ ] (o)   |
|      o  o  o  o  o  o  o  o             |
|      8  7  6  5  4  3  2  1             |
+-----------------------------------------+

 Pin   Name                            Description
 1  GND       Digital ground
              External audio input from accessories or handsfree
 2  MIC/JCONN microphone. Multiplexed with junction box connection
              control signal
 3  AGND      Analogue ground for accessories
 4  TDA       Transmitted DBUS data to the accessories
 5  M2BUS     Serial Bidirectional data and control between the
              handportable and accessories
 6  HOOK/RXD2 Hook indication. HP has a 100KE pull-up resistor
 7  PHFS/TXD2 Handsfree device power on/off, data to flash=20
              programming device
 8  VCHAR     Battery charging voltage
 9  GND       Digital ground
 10 EAR/HFPWR External Audio output to accessories=20
              or handsfree speaker
 11 DSYNC     DBUS data bit sync clock
 12 RDA       DBUS recieved data from the accessories
 13 BENA      Power supply to headset adapter
 14 VF        Programming voltage for FLASH
 15 DCLK      DBUS data clock
 16 VCHAR     Battery charging voltage

Contributor: Joakim =D6gren

Source:
Nokia 2110 pinout at Technick.net

Copyright =A9 The Hardware Book Team 1996-2001.
May be copied and redistributed, partially or in whole, as appropriate.
Document last modified: 2001-06-08

Axel

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Longden et al (and others) wrote on the Subject: I/O device error and
cheese...

 >It sounds like a FAT (file allocation table) corruption on your RAM..

maybe too much fatty camembert with red wine ?!? ;) <twinkly grin>

 >The thing that corrupted the FAT might've been a momentary burp
 >or glitch in the electronics that went away after the damage is done
 >to the logical contents (but not to the actual circuits).

grr - ouch, sounds like we have fried circuit cheese  :) .. is it caused by
too much saturated FAT ?!?

 >I'd give the DB up for lost myself ... but I'm a wimp.

yes, it is long gone, re-booted, re-installed, re-filed .._._ and now
waiting impatiently for the next 'burp and glitch', until i had enough and
send it off .. to the liposuction specialist at Michel or Daniels..

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On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Barry wrote:

> To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 1:28 AM
> Subject: Re2: Prolog on HP 200 LX
>
>
> > > Most editors work fine.  I use TSE Jr.  formerly qedit.  But a
> lot
> > Qedit of Robelle?
I have heard about an editor HP 3000 compters (opsys MPE/V, MPE/iX)
name Qedit made by Robelle.

>
> I don't understand your question but the Qedit I use is from
> www.semware.com.  It's shareware.  You can try it out free and
> register to get rid of the nag screens if I remember right.  I've
> had it registered for about 13 or 14 years so I might be wrong
> about how the shareware part works.
Have you heard about Jim Wyllie's Personal Editor and Personal Editor II?
I have got them about 15 years ago.
It was the best editor for making programs and tables.
PE knew 3 kinds of blocks:
- paragraph
- whole line
- rectangle
It could split the screen in four windows. It could edit files of equal
rank i.e. not a main then an auxiliary then a subaux then a subsubaux
file.

It had a very simple command language. I could make macros preparing an
if-then-else structure for Pascal:
IF+some spaces+THEN BEGIN+newline+END+newline+ELSE BEGIN+newline+END; send
back the cursor between the IF and THEN in insert mode.
I had a compelet macros with the mostinportant loops and keywords for
Pascal and Clipper.
I placed the frame-making characters of the code page 850 to the 9 keys

QWE
ASD
YXC


I could not do however one thing which I could do with my proledit based
on the edit predicate working similarly as the editor window of the Turbo
Prolog:
Search and replace words separated with _cr_lf_ characters.
There the search, replace and annother block functions were working like
that
[F4]old text[F4]new text[F4] so I could use [Enter] key in the old and th
new text.
    >
> They have a newer program, TSE (as opposed to TSE Jr) that a lot of
> people on this list have used and liked.  I'm so used to the
> keystrokes of the old one that I've never gotten used to the new

Turbo Prolog 1 had simpler keystrokes for the above block functions.
Borland changed them in version 2 to fit them to the hotkeys of Turbo C
and Pascal.

When I was lazy to to transfer the files from the HP 3000 to the PC
terminals, I used HPEDIT. I had a good macro language and could rememeber
more maked places. Its main disadvantage was that unlike in the Personal
Editor which had a command line where I could enter whole words as
commands, HPEDIT had command mode and text mode and if I forget that I am
in command mode the word "begin" executed five predefined commands.

>
> I personally think qedit is the best editor ever written.  And
> anyone who disagrees with me is a heretic.  :)

My father's favorite wise phrase: "Everything is good for something,
nothing is
good for everything."

                                Regards

                                               Frank

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Barry,
Here is Personal Editor 3.2!
http://www.pe32.com/
                    Frank

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Christian wrote:

> In the current version the program plays the full sample up to the end.
> All the processor power is used on the 95LX, and I haven't found a way
> yet to check for instance for a keypress to pause the playing. This
> would consume to much processing. Some ideas maybe ?

   Maybe a keyboard  interrupt handler?.  Sounds
like an interesting little project you have there.

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Hi all,

Is there anyone amoung you using DBV from Harry Constas and having the sa=
me
problem with right-justifying numbers in list view?

I needed to do some calculations on database fields and found DBV 2.0 on
SUPER. It think its very handy to have quick read-only access to my datab=
ases
plus the funcionality of DBCALC. But - although I set RightJustify=3D1 un=
der
[options] in the configuration - the value fields remain left-justified
in list view. Its not really a problem but right justifying would be clea=
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way to display a column of figures. Any idea what could be the reason? Is=

it perhaps a known bug? Or am I the bug? :(

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At 11/14/02-02:30 AM, "Dr. Ferenc Nagy" <nagyf@ALPHA0.IKI.KFKI.HU> wrote:
>Have you heard about Jim Wyllie's Personal Editor and Personal Editor II?
>I have got them about 15 years ago.
>It was the best editor for making programs and tables.
>PE knew 3 kinds of blocks:

I am writing to add this: Please do not confuse Jim Wyllie's Personal
Editor (PE) with PalEdit (PE) by Andreas Garzotto. Ours is a copyrighted
freeware. Look for it at http://www.dasoft.com/PE/latest.htm

Avi

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From: "Dr. Ferenc Nagy" <nagyf@ALPHA0.IKI.KFKI.HU>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:30 AM
Subject: My favorite editors (w/o attachments)


> Have you heard about Jim Wyllie's Personal Editor and Personal
Editor II?
> I have got them about 15 years ago.
> It was the best editor for making programs and tables.
> PE knew 3 kinds of blocks:
> - paragraph
> - whole line
> - rectangle
> It could split the screen in four windows. It could edit files of
equal
> rank i.e. not a main then an auxiliary then a subaux then a
subsubaux
> file.
>
> It had a very simple command language. I could make macros
preparing an
> if-then-else structure for Pascal:
> IF+some spaces+THEN BEGIN+newline+END+newline+ELSE
BEGIN+newline+END; send
> back the cursor between the IF and THEN in insert mode.
> I had a compelet macros with the mostinportant loops and keywords
for
> Pascal and Clipper.
> I placed the frame-making characters of the code page 850 to the
9 keys
>
> QWE
> ASD
> YXC

Qedit will do all that and in addition to the macro language there
is also a very simple but powerful record and playback feature.
And the macros created that way can be converted if desired to text
macros.  Also the record playback featuere only needs a single
keystroke.

The frame making characters are also built into quedit.  Including
the single, double and transitional frame characters.

> I could not do however one thing which I could do with my
proledit based
> on the edit predicate working similarly as the editor window of
the Turbo
> Prolog:
> Search and replace words separated with _cr_lf_ characters.

Qedit also has this limitation.

> > I personally think qedit is the best editor ever written.  And
> > anyone who disagrees with me is a heretic.  :)
>
> My father's favorite wise phrase: "Everything is good for
something,
> nothing is
> good for everything."

That's far too open minded for my taste.  :)

Barry

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> Barry,
> Here is Personal Editor 3.2!
> http://www.pe32.com/

Thanks.  I took a look.  It seems similar to the list of features
in qedit and TSE.  There's also a 32 bit windows command line
version of TSE.  I have it but I'm so used to the ins and outs of
qedit that I've only used it a few times.

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If anyone is interested in reading your Outlook email
with PNR or cc:Mail, on the palmtop, here is some code
to make it happen.  The code is run from VBA in
Outlook. No compiler is necessary.  See your Outlook
documentation for additional information.

The code creates the file "incoming.mai" from your
Outlook email. (in you Inbox)  It will need to be
manually copied to your LX.

Read the docs for PNR or CCLXPOP for more information
on what to do with this file.

All the normal disclaimers apply.  Non-supported!

Don.

<begin code>
Option Explicit

' *******************************************************************
' Name: Email2LX
' Desc: Copies inbox email to be read by PNR or cc:Mail (via cclxpop)
' In:   Inbox folder in Outlook
' Out:  Creates "incoming.mai"
' *******************************************************************
Public Sub Email2LX()

  Dim oApp As Outlook.Application
  Dim oNameSpace As Outlook.NameSpace
  Dim oPST As MAPIFolder
  Dim oInbox As MAPIFolder
  Dim oEmail As MailItem

  Set oApp = New Outlook.Application
  Set oNameSpace = oApp.GetNamespace("MAPI")
  Set oPST = oNameSpace.Folders.Item("Personal Folders")
  Set oInbox = oPST.Folders.Item("Inbox")

  Dim iFile As Long
  Dim sFile As String
  sFile = "c:\pnr\spool\incoming.mai"
  iFile = FreeFile

  Open sFile For Output As iFile

  ' process each INBOX email and print to file
  For Each oEmail In oInbox.Items
    If TypeOf oEmail Is MailItem Then
        Print #iFile, String(4, Chr(1))
        Print #iFile, "Path: Inbox"
        Print #iFile, GetReplyToAddress(oEmail)
        Print #iFile, "Subject: " & oEmail.Subject
        Print #iFile, "Date: " & oEmail.SentOn
        Print #iFile, vbCrLf
        Print #iFile, oEmail.Body
        Print #iFile, vbCrLf
        Print #iFile, String(4, Chr(1))
    End If
  Next oEmail

  Close iFile

  Set oEmail = Nothing
  Set oInbox = Nothing
  Set oPST = Nothing
  Set oNameSpace = Nothing
  Set oApp = Nothing

  MsgBox "The file INCOMING.MAI has been created"

End Sub


' *******************************************************************
' Name: GetReplyToAddress
' Desc: Returns the reply address of the sender of the message
' In:   MailItem object
' Out:  Reply To address unless an error is encountered. If there is an
'       error, it returns "".
' *******************************************************************
Function GetReplyToAddress(objMsg As Outlook.MailItem)
    Dim objReply As Outlook.MailItem
    Dim objRecip As Outlook.Recipient
    Dim strAddress As String

    Set objReply = objMsg.Reply
    On Error Resume Next
    Set objRecip = objReply.Recipients.Item(1)
    If Err = 0 Then
        ' address will be in Name or Address depending
        ' on sending application and type of address
        strAddress = objRecip.Address
        If strAddress = "" Then
            strAddress = objRecip.Name
        End If
    ElseIf Err = 287 Then
        strAddress = ""
        MsgBox "The Outlook E-mail Security Patch is " & _
               "apparently installed on this machine. " & _
               "You must response Yes to the prompt about " & _
               "accessing e-mail addresses if you want to " & _
               "get the Reply To address.", vbExclamation, _
               "GetReplyToAddress"
    End If
    GetReplyToAddress = strAddress

    On Error GoTo 0
    Set objRecip = Nothing
    Set objReply = Nothing
End Function
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Friends ... just need to verify something.  Its been a while since I
upgraded the memory of my hplx so I may have remembered wrongly somethings.
 Just correct me as I go along ... 8-)

I upgraded my 2mb 200lx with a times2tech memory module.  I believe I
bought a 4mb module.  When I openned my unit, I had to unsolder one of the
modules (so 1mb remained) and replace it with the 4mb module.  Total memory
is 5mb.

I just bought a used 1mb 100lx over the weekend.  If I can find that 1mb
module I pulled out of my 200lx, can I stick that into my 100lx to give me
a total memory of 2mb?

Thanks,

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On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Donald Collins wrote:

> If anyone is interested in reading your Outlook email
> with PNR or cc:Mail, on the palmtop, here is some code
> to make it happen.  The code is run from VBA in
> Outlook. No compiler is necessary.  See your Outlook
> documentation for additional information.

[...]

It seems I'm not the only one left playing with cclxpop and the integrate=
d
cc:mail... ;)

In case anybody's interested, I'm modifying cclxpop just now to add some
support to character set conversions.
There are some limitations:
 - the character set must be specified in the header of the mail (and not
   in the body if this one is an HTML one), in a Content-Type: line
 - the header is not converted at all, that means you'll still see subjec=
t
   lines with "=3D?iso-8859-1?Q?blablabla?=3D" constructions, or even for=
eign
   (i.e. non ASCII) characters. Maybe I'll work on this stuff some day.
 - the whole body is converted, whatever is contains (but since no-one
   sends binary data without encoding, that should be OK)

Conversions are performed both ways. You specify an internal character
set (the one you edit your messages with, usually CP850), an output
character set (the one you want your outgoing messages to be converted to=
,
usually ISO-8859-1), and a default external character set (in case nothin=
g
is specified in the header or something not handled is specified, I
personnaly use ISO-8859-1 again).

Conversions are performed with "transliteration". That means impossible
direct conversions are output as a sequence of characters to represent th=
e
source character. For example, the Euro sign in the ISO-8859-15 will be
translated to the "EUR" letters in mostly everything else. Another
example, the "=E9" character (&eacute;) in ISO-8859-1 will be translated =
to
"'e" in pure ASCII.

I'm using a stripped down version of the GNU libiconv library to perform
the conversions. I had to remove a lot of character sets to fit the small
memory model imposed by cclxpop. Here's what remains:
ISO-8859-{11,2,3,4,9,13,15,16}, ASCII, UTF{7,8,16,32},
UCS{2,4}{LE,BE,INTERNAL,SWAPPED},
CP{819,437,850,775,775,852,853,857,858,860,861,863,865},
WINDOWS{1250,1252,1257,1258}.
and some synonyms.

It is possible to add some (more precisely to un-remove some), even withi=
n
the constraints of the small memory model (64k code, 64k static data).

If someone is interested to become a beta tester, please contact me
privately. I need some more testing, as I have solved all the bugs I
found.

I'll also need to ask Brian McIlvaine (the author of cclxpop) his
permission to redistribute a modified version of his product before
posting the source code and binary to SUPER. Maybe he's still reading
HPLX-L? (Are you here, Brian?)

Right now, this version fits my needs, as I don't read HTML mails, I don'=
t
read mails with attachements on my HP200, and I mostly read (and write)
some newsgroups.

Thanks.

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 Bonjour everyone who wrote on the subject.

first, i notice there was no taker for my question about how to structure a
LX db to be easily importet into Jornada`s Pocket-Access (csv - no
categories, no subsets).

the reason i asked is that not only do i want to give my DBs to peolpe
hooked to MS-access, but i want to have a universal backup, for one by one
my LXs (except the 100LX) are developing signs of age and need new
replacements (not possible for they stopped making them). So, rather
switching to PalmPilots i am looking at HP follow-ons (Jornada).

comments....
 {snip} The Scandisk.exe which comes with Windows 95 works great on the LX.
Call it with parameter /mono for the monochrome screen. daniel

thanks for the tip, Daniel

 {snip} If there's a FAT error, how would she copy the contents of the C:
drive?  Most copy utilities operate on the FAT level.- Longden

correct, it wouldn't let me copy

 {snip} I wrote a small program some years ago to copy a whole drive to a
single file (it is able to do the reverse too). I can look for it if you
want to test this method. Please note that given enough time, patience, and
effort, it's hard to really loose important data with such problems.
Bon courage! -- Erwann

thanks, and where did you send the file ?!? drive A ?!?

>me thinks:
 if i load the db into memory to work on from drive A, is there a chance
that the FAT in A will be corrupted (as it did drive C ?!?)

 {snip} One of the main choices to make before choosing a backup strategy is
to answer the following question: "How much time am I willing to spend to
recreate lost work?" {snip good stuff} many clusters on a 64MB drive. My
conclusion was that it was worth learning, but not worth doing again! Avi

my backup strategy is tailored to the importance of the file. for example...
first in importance is my diary for which i hacked the Phone appl. - a macro
gets me to the end of the text in the top phone note to add new text. a
second macro saves the note contents to A and exits Phone altogether (to
prevent the phone.pdb from getting too large) to the previous application.
so, i have a backup every 5 or 6 sentences! At the time i lost work on the
medical db i had a previous copy on A. it was just a matter of losing the
changes.

 {snip} I did remember encountering this once before and I rebooted the
device. Ctrl-Alt-Del. After that it went away.  But I of course lost the
work that I was doing when it happened.  The old data in the database was
intact. Rgds weemeng

it happened twice so far, and the second time after a soft boot
(ctrl-alt-del) it showed the files with correct names, and nothing was
corrupted inside them.

Q. should i just work with files on A .. because the flash cards are more
reliable and less prone to get FAT ?!?
Dr.Nat

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<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param>On 15 Nov 2002, at 3:53, Nathalie Bugeaud wrote:


<color><param>7F00,0000,0000</param>> my backup strategy is tailored to the importance of the file. for

> example... first in importance is my diary for which i hacked the

> Phone appl. - a macro gets me to the end of the text in the top phone

> note to add new text. a second macro saves the note contents to A and

> exits Phone altogether (to prevent the phone.pdb from getting too

> large) to the previous application. so, i have a backup every 5 or 6

> sentences! At the time i lost work on the medical db i had a previous

> copy on A. it was just a matter of losing the changes.


</color>The ever-sensible and computer savvy Dr. Nat!  One does not stay
in this business of computers long if they begin to trust their tools
too much.


<color><param>7F00,0000,0000</param>> Q. should i just work with files on A .. because the flash cards are

> more reliable and less prone to get FAT ?!? Dr.Nat


</color>Flash cards have been fairly stable for me, but the risk is the higher
current draw for flash cards vs the internal RAM (and this is based
on hearsay, not real technical knowledge) which can also bite you
in the FAT if you're in a write cycle during a battery power fallout.


I would personally prefer working with flash cards because if
something went wrong, it's easier to send the card to your favorite
admirer ... er, "medic"


- Longden


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13h44m ago Barry wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dr. Ferenc Nagy" <nagyf@ALPHA0.IKI.KFKI.HU>
[...]
> > I could not do however one thing which I could do with my
> > proledit based on the edit predicate working similarly as
> > the editor window of the Turbo Prolog: Search and replace
> > words separated with _cr_lf_ characters.
>
> Qedit also has this limitation.

In PalEdit I just had to do this, and, it worked:

F4 (search)  abcd\013\010

will find word "abcd" at the end of a line and then

F5 (replace) xyzzy\013\010

will replace abcd with xyzzy.

I am not sure this is what you meant though.

--
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That might work... Is there an easy way to do this in Microsoft Quick C ?
Probably some inline assembly.

It would be nice if we could add PAUSE/RESUME/STOP/ etc.
Maybe checking for keys "P","R","S"...

This would add a nice touch. I got from Gilles Kohl, some PCX routines
for the 95LX. If I find the time I could also add a nice wallpaper with
progress indicator.







>From: Steve <novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM>
>Reply-To: Steve <novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM>
>To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>Subject: 95LX (was Re: Nokia 2110 headset and the 700LX)
>Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:29:19 -0500
>
>Christian wrote:
>
> > In the current version the program plays the full sample up to the end.
> > All the processor power is used on the 95LX, and I haven't found a way
> > yet to check for instance for a keypress to pause the playing. This
> > would consume to much processing. Some ideas maybe ?
>
>    Maybe a keyboard  interrupt handler?.  Sounds
>like an interesting little project you have there.
>
>Steve
>
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Hi Don,

10h16m ago Donald Collins wrote:

> If anyone is interested in reading your Outlook email
> with PNR or cc:Mail, on the palmtop, here is some code
> to make it happen.  The code is run from VBA in
> Outlook. No compiler is necessary.  See your Outlook
> documentation for additional information.

Could you put that into a zip file, along with a readme describing how
to et that up, so I can put it on SUPER? This shoulds like it could be
interesting for many people, so it would be sad if it cannot be used by
everyone.

In case you agree, please send it to super (at) palmtop.net

Thanks
daniel

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Hi Oliver

07h26m ago Oliver Chua wrote:

> I upgraded my 2mb 200lx with a times2tech memory module.  I believe I
> bought a 4mb module.  When I openned my unit, I had to unsolder one of the
> modules (so 1mb remained) and replace it with the 4mb module.  Total memory
> is 5mb.

All seems to be plausible, except the word "unsolder". If you upgrade a
2MB (1+1) to 5MB (1+4), you only have to remove the 1MB daughterboard,
which is mounted on a socket. If you really had to unsolder something,
it is probably amother upgrade - or maybe a really early one, I cannot
say for sure that early upgrades are all the same as the recent ones.
Please read all about memory upgrades I know on

http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/200lx

> I just bought a used 1mb 100lx over the weekend.  If I can find that 1mb
> module I pulled out of my 200lx, can I stick that into my 100lx to give me
> a total memory of 2mb?

Probably not. 1MB 100LXs don't usually have the daughterboard
connector, and do not even have space for a socket.
Newer 2MB 100LX have that socket, and also have a 1mB daughterboard
mounted.

HTH
daniel


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On D&A's webpage I read about WWW/LX, but it looks like
this is not a single Internet solution...
It's a collection of programs that offer several functionalities:
email, telnet, HTML viewer,...
If you buy WWW/LX do you have to configure all these tools,
or does it come as a preconfigured package ?








>From: Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE>
>Reply-To: Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE>
>To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>Subject: Re: Internet and Email on the 700LX
>Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:12:42 +0100
>
>Christian Felique wrote:
> > Internet and Email on the 700LX: how ? Is there anyone who
> > can help me set up my 700LX.
> >
> > - What software do I need ?
>
>Real internet and web is a thing of the past. With all the superfluous
>nonsense around today even my pentium 133 with ISDN access is slow, so I
>never really tried. I did get nettamer to run on the LX though, but
>although many pages worked not a single one did in a way I found
>comfortable and acceptable.
>For email I have set up "going postal" and it works very nicely.
>
> > - What kind of info from my provider ?
> > - How do I configure the software
>
>Going postal comes with well made comprehensive instructions.
>
> > - CC:Mail ? Is there a way to use this with web-based mail or
> >   POP accounts ? Is CC:Mail still used ? I read that nobody uses
> >   this...
>
>There is a US number you can use as post office. In spite of cost I'm
>bound to give it a try someday.
>
>Axel
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Harry,

Since I programmed too long ago I will not be able to do much with the so=
urce
code. I was just wondering if HPLX users in the past found a remedy or if=

an error slipped into the configuration setting RightJustify - let us say=

that it should be named RightAlign or something else instead to make the
right justification work in list view.

Thanks for your offer anyway and best regards,

Jean-Pierre

> -- Original Message --
> From: "Harry Konstas" <hkonstas@total.net>
> To: <beekhuis@tiscali.ch>
> Subject: Re: DBVIEW
> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:58:23 -0300
>
>
> Jean Pierre,
>
> Sorry I can't be much of a help - I don't know if you are a programmer,=

I
> still have the source code if you are interested.
>
>  Best regards,
>  Harry.
>
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> From: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu] On=20
> Behalf Of Nathalie Bugeaud
> Sent: 12 November 2002 03:26
>=20
> a few days ago i was doing work on one of my medical=20
> databases. Surprise, after about an hour (unsaved), at the=20
> moment i pressed F3 to edit a note in the db, i saw strange=20
> characters appearing. when i hit esc i found the db garbled.

Dear Dr. Nat.,

I've been reading this unfolding story with a growing sense of d=E9j=E0 =
vu.
I used to get exactly the same problem on my 200LX. Always after
pressing F3, sometimes the notes field would show some garbage, often
after the real contents. I seem to remember there was a discussion about
the possible causes on this list, but I'm too lazy to go search for it.
My theory was either a corrupt data base (but I never found any evidence
of this) or a deeply hidden bug in the db engine that only surfaces
under rare conditions. Try a dbcheck on your restored backup. If it's a
hardware glitch, it's odd that it manifests itself in the same way each
time.

However, I discovered by trial-and-error that if, as soon as you see the
garbage, you ctrl-alt-del reboot, you will get NO corruption. The only
possible data loss is only the data changes to the current record. Over
time I got used to this behaviour and it became second nature. If you
see the garbage, DON'T save or cancel or close the app, just reboot. If
you're using software carousel, you CAN switch other work areas to
save/close other open apps and then reboot.

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On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Nathalie Bugeaud wrote:

> Bonjour everyone who wrote on the subject.

Bonjour Dr Nat,

> first, i notice there was no taker for my question about how to structure a
> LX db to be easily importet into Jornada`s Pocket-Access (csv - no
> categories, no subsets).

Personally, I haven't noticed that question... :(

>  {snip} I wrote a small program some years ago to copy a whole drive to a
> single file (it is able to do the reverse too). I can look for it if you
> want to test this method. Please note that given enough time, patience, and
> effort, it's hard to really loose important data with such problems.
> Bon courage! -- Erwann
>
> thanks, and where did you send the file ?!? drive A ?!?

Yes.

> >me thinks:
>  if i load the db into memory to work on from drive A, is there a chance
> that the FAT in A will be corrupted (as it did drive C ?!?)

That's not what I proposed. What I proposed is to copy all the sectors
that make the C: drive to a file in the A: drive. This step allows you to
keep a copy of the C: drive in it's exact current state, and be able to
try several disk-repair tools (consider this as a backup of your damaged
C: drive). This file is *not* usable as is.

But you're right, loading and working in the same exact conditions on the
same database on the A: drive could produce FAT errors in the A: drive,
unfortunately. But this FAT corruption is the result of an "undefined
behaviour". And as all "undefined behaviours", the result can be anything:
reformat all your drives, fill your screen with garbage, call Mr Bush, ...
So when you fall into the Twilight Zone, everything can happen, even
loosing your A: drive content while you're working on a database in the C:
drive. :(

> Q. should i just work with files on A .. because the flash cards are more
> reliable and less prone to get FAT ?!?

That depends. If the FAT corruption is caused by some electronic glitch,
then yes, you can work more safely on your A: drive.
If the FAT corruption is caused by software failure, then no, it is not
safer to work on the A: drive.

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>>I personally think qedit is the best editor ever written.  And
>>anyone who disagrees with me is a heretic.  :)

while I wouldn't disagree with you I have to ask why didn't you just make
TSE emulate QEdit? the best of both worlds. I still use TSE even on my
windows machine. I do agree semware products are fantastic!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathalie Bugeaud" <planetary@FREE.FR>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 8:53 PM
Subject: re. I/O device error and cheese


> the reason i asked is that not only do i want to give my DBs to
peolpe
> hooked to MS-access, but i want to have a universal backup, for
one by one
> my LXs (except the 100LX) are developing signs of age and need
new
> replacements (not possible for they stopped making them). So,
rather
> switching to PalmPilots i am looking at HP follow-ons (Jornada).

I don't think I'd assume based on a single problem that it's
showing signs of age, if that's what you're doing.  It may be true
but the odds are against it.  I have several LXs, including an
early 1 meg 95lx.  I had a very early .5 meg 95lx and my nephew
still has it.  All are working well and without problems.

All in all, including 2 95lxs I have 7 of these beasts.  The newest
one is probably 5 years old or more.  I've had 1 problem.  The
first 200lx I bought (the one I dropped in several feet of water
and it didn't work for days so I bought another one and then it
started working again) has begun to eat batteries.  I can get about
1 day on a pair of charged (and good) 1600 mAH NiMH batteries.

That's it.  The one and only problem I've had.  I still use all of
them.  I rotate them so they all get some use.  I even do some
silly programming on the 95lxs.  These things are all basically in
perfect condition.

The thing to realize is that LXs get younger over the years.  I
don't expect problems till they revert to being prototypes.  :)

Barry

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Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: My favorite editors (w/o attachments)


> --
> 13h44m ago Barry wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dr. Ferenc Nagy" <nagyf@ALPHA0.IKI.KFKI.HU>
> [...]
> > > I could not do however one thing which I could do with my
> > > proledit based on the edit predicate working similarly as
> > > the editor window of the Turbo Prolog: Search and replace
> > > words separated with _cr_lf_ characters.
> >
> > Qedit also has this limitation.
>
> In PalEdit I just had to do this, and, it worked:
>
> F4 (search)  abcd\013\010
>
> will find word "abcd" at the end of a line and then
>
> F5 (replace) xyzzy\013\010
>
> will replace abcd with xyzzy.
>
> I am not sure this is what you meant though.

Pretty much.  More often it's the line terminators itself I want to
change.  I don't have a good way to do that with any flexibility in
qedit.

If I just want to change text at the end of the line that's pretty
easy with a macro.  It goes to each line and inserts some character
unused in the rest of the text.  Then the search and replace looks
for the target characters and that character together, which can
only be at the end of a line.

Setting up that macro just means getting in record mode (ctrl M)
and doing it manually once and then leaving recording mode (ctrl M
again).  The macro will do it's thing on each line and move the
cursor to the next line.  Then I hold down ctrl ENTER (the default
scratch macro key but any other key can be used)  till it's done.
It will do a 40 k text file in 3 or 4 seconds on the LX.  I rarely
deal with larger files on the LX.

Setting it up takes about as long because I do things like this
enough that it's just automatic.  Unless it's something more
complex that I haven't done before I don't even have to think about
it or plan it.  I just do it.  That's why I can't seem to switch to
TSE where I have to think about everything. :)

Barry

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: 95LX (was Re: Nokia 2110 headset and the 700LX)


> That might work... Is there an easy way to do this in Microsoft
Quick C ?
> Probably some inline assembly.
>
> It would be nice if we could add PAUSE/RESUME/STOP/ etc.
> Maybe checking for keys "P","R","S"...

Unless intererupts have been turned off it's checking the keyboard
18.2 times a second anyway.  Hooking the timer interrupt and
checking the keyboard will be fairly straightforward in assembly.
It can be done in Quick C with inline asm, probably.  I've never
tried any interrupt level programming or inline asm with Quick C so
I'm not sure.  It can even probably be done in C but it's tricker
that way.

You can also use the signal() function to have the program
terminate on ctrl break.  Not as flexible but easier to do.

Barry


> >From: Steve <novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM>
> >Reply-To: Steve <novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM>
> >To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> >Subject: 95LX (was Re: Nokia 2110 headset and the 700LX)
> >Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:29:19 -0500
> >
> >Christian wrote:
> >
> > > In the current version the program plays the full sample up
to the end.
> > > All the processor power is used on the 95LX, and I haven't
found a way
> > > yet to check for instance for a keypress to pause the
playing. This
> > > would consume to much processing. Some ideas maybe ?
> >
> >    Maybe a keyboard  interrupt handler?.  Sounds
> >like an interesting little project you have there.
> >
> >Steve
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Subject: RE: Re2: Prolog on HP 200 LX


>
> >>I personally think qedit is the best editor ever written.  And
> >>anyone who disagrees with me is a heretic.  :)
>
> while I wouldn't disagree with you I have to ask why didn't you
just make
> TSE emulate QEdit? the best of both worlds. I still use TSE even
on my
> windows machine. I do agree semware products are fantastic!

The reason I didn't do that should be obvious.  You never suggested
it till now. :)

Is there a config file for that or would I need to make one?  I
really never looked that far into TSE?

Also I have qedit pretty heavily customized for the LX and have had
for so long I no longer remember what is custom and what is
default.  But I can probably work that out.

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Hello All,

I am running a short  three day auction on a 1MB 200LX if anyone is interested:

Bidding starts at a penny and no reserve.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=802050858

Regards,
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For those, if any, not on our mailing list:

Our next meeting  will be held Saturday, Nov 23rd, 14.00

Hope to see new faces!

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Has anyone ever tried to create a hybrid of the HPLX's keyboard/screen with
Tiqit's Matchbox PC(www.tiqit.com)?  I really like the HPLX's keyboard, and
wonder if it could be attached to such a product (the Matchbox PC) via an
adaptor?

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At 11/15/02-02:35 AM, you wrote:
>On D&A's webpage I read about WWW/LX, but it looks like
>this is not a single Internet solution...
>It's a collection of programs that offer several functionalities:
>email, telnet, HTML viewer,...
>If you buy WWW/LX do you have to configure all these tools,
>or does it come as a preconfigured package ?

WWW/LX is in deed a package. WWW.EXE is the TCP/IP engine, dialler and the
interface to the internet. POST.EXE is the email client. RoboNews/LX is the
newsgroups client. There are other clients, as you noted: ftp/lx,
telnet/lx. IRC/LX, HV.

There are three main configuration points:

1. To connect to your ISP you need to set up a "SETUP" - it basically
describes how you dial up (or not) to your ISP, and provides the info to
login (user id, password etc...) Since WWW.EXE is the program that will
deal with this part of the operation, we use WWWSETUP.EXE to configure and
store the info in WWW.CFG.

2. POST.EXE is the email client and thus needs to have info on the
mailbox(es) you have at your ISP(s). Yes, you can access multiple ISPs in
one pass. Also how to set up your messages, filtering, foldernames, and all
this information goes into POST.CFG by means of program SETUP.EXE (yes, I
know it is not symmetrical wo WWWSETUP.EXE <g>...)

3. Similarly, you need to configure RoboNews and the info goes into the
proper configuration files. This is meticulously described in the
documentation.

HV has its own Configuration file, but let me warn you - it is NOT a strong
browser, in fact very weak, and I want to lower your expectation waaaaaaay
down. HV was never sold for that reason, and it always was a free part of
the package.

Similarly, IRC/LX (chat) has its own CFG file.

Hopefully this makes more sense now. We chose to NOT write a huge
configuration program and make the package leaner. Besides, the docs have
the info, and by the time you read the docs, you'll have a lot of knowledge
that is helpful to anyone using the internet, and the web, email, and so on.

Axel pointed you to two other products which also work. We differ in that
we provide probably more features, and more rigorous apps, and we also
charge for them. He also pointed out that the Web on the Palmtop is a
disappointing experience because the Web has so many features that even
slightly older machines can barely cope with the Web anymore.

Let me know if I can help more.

Avi Meshar
D&A Software

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On Thursday, 14.11.2002 at 04:50 CET, Nathalie Bugeaud <planetary@FREE.FR>
wrote:
> grr - ouch, sounds like we have fried circuit cheese  :) ..
> is it caused by
> too much saturated FAT ?!?
>
> >I'd give the DB up for lost myself ... but I'm a wimp.
>
> yes, it is long gone, re-booted, re-installed, re-filed .._._
> and now
> waiting impatiently for the next 'burp and glitch', until i
> had enough and
> send it off .. to the liposuction specialist at Michel or
> Daniels..
>
> Dr.Nat
>
Maybe the problem was caused by too little fat in the battery... :-)

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> Qedit will do all that and in addition to the macro language there
> is also a very simple but powerful record and playback feature.
...

Me too, I was a big fan of qedit back in my DOS days, and still use it
on the palmtop.

At the moment, I'm testing some of the vi clones listed at the
page: http://www.thomer.com/vi/vi.html

Has anybody tried out any of them?

Cri

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The list occasionally is asked about software options for
doing e-mail on the LX.  About a year ago I wrote a summary
of the options.  Recently we had a similar request, so I put
that summary up on my website.  Here's the URL:

   <http://heise.nu/LX-email.html>

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On 8 Nov 2002 at 10:19, Avi Meshar wrote:

> Could not resist the plug: This is a good reason to use Post/LX: It does
> not come with decisions made for you by some nitwit in Redmond WA! <vbg>

But, POST/LX does come with with decisions made by a very intelligent
programmer, who like other programmers, unfortunately still has strong
opinions about the "right" and "wrong" ways that an editor should operate.

It seems that no matter what product we choose, we are subject to the
prejudices of the programmers. This is human nature and should not be
blamed on Microsoft.

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At 11/16/02-11:31 AM, Victor Roberts <Robertsv@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
>On 8 Nov 2002 at 10:19, Avi Meshar wrote:
>
> > Could not resist the plug: This is a good reason to use Post/LX: It does
> > not come with decisions made for you by some nitwit in Redmond WA! <vbg>
>
>But, POST/LX does come with with decisions made by a very intelligent
>programmer, who like other programmers, unfortunately still has strong
>opinions about the "right" and "wrong" ways that an editor should operate.


At least you do not have to spend hours chasing the way to undo some of the
default settings!!! Besides, I'd say that about 80% of the customers leave
the setting as they are, DESPITE knowing how to change them, simply because
they would choose the defaults that way too.

Huge difference from the morons who decided that you really really want
your package to make life easy for ALL HACKERS ;-) and that you obviousy
;-) want to have your system TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY EXPOSED to all dangers
and so on, the kind of crap we get from Redmond. I cannot imagine a
comparison less adequate, Vic.


>It seems that no matter what product we choose, we are subject to the
>prejudices of the programmers. This is human nature and should not be
>blamed on Microsoft.


Disagree! Vic, what I blamed them for is making STUPID choices for their
customers. I blame them for making idiotic choices that expose the customer
to dangers, to viruses, to hackers. I DO AND WILL CONTINUE to blame
Microsoft for making choices for their customers that make them send emails
is (USELESS) HTML _AND_ in normal text. I blame them for making the
defaults such that BEFORE their customers use the software, they must
become EXPERTS at how to ward off evils and how to save their butts, and
how to turn off half the defaults to something REASONABLE. For THAT I do
blame Micorosfot and will continue to do so. Your defense of them seems a
little ludicrous! Got a contract with them lately? <G> (I am sure not, just
teasing you...)

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On 16 Nov 2002 at 12:24, Avi Meshar wrote:

> At 11/16/02-11:31 AM, Victor Roberts <Robertsv@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
> >On 8 Nov 2002 at 10:19, Avi Meshar wrote:
> >
> > > Could not resist the plug: This is a good reason to use Post/LX: It does
> > > not come with decisions made for you by some nitwit in Redmond WA! <vbg>
> >
> >But, POST/LX does come with with decisions made by a very intelligent
> >programmer, who like other programmers, unfortunately still has strong
> >opinions about the "right" and "wrong" ways that an editor should operate.
>
>
> At least you do not have to spend hours chasing the way to undo some of the
> default settings!!! Besides, I'd say that about 80% of the customers leave
> the setting as they are, DESPITE knowing how to change them, simply because
> they would choose the defaults that way too.

I bet Microsoft could use this "80%" argument also.

As for changing them, I have never found any way to change POST/LX so
that it displays TABs the way that I want them displayed. It seems the only
options are to expand TABs into Spaces or display the TABs as a circle.
Other editors allow me to display TABs as spaces, and the best editors allow
me to define how many spaces are displayed for each TAB character -
without converting the TAB characters in the file into Spaces.


> Huge difference from the morons who decided that you really really want
> your package to make life easy for ALL HACKERS ;-) and that you obviousy
> ;-) want to have your system TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY EXPOSED to all dangers
> and so on, the kind of crap we get from Redmond. I cannot imagine a
> comparison less adequate, Vic.

We can still argue for hours whether Outlook is the prime target for virus
writers because it is the biggest target or because it is fundamentally more
vulnerable than other e-mail clients.

> >It seems that no matter what product we choose, we are subject to the
> >prejudices of the programmers. This is human nature and should not be
> >blamed on Microsoft.
>
>
> Disagree! Vic, what I blamed them for is making STUPID choices for their
> customers.

You are either unwilling or unable to accept the fact that different people have
different ideas about how programs should operate. Just because someone
chooses to set up a different set of defaults than you or I like, does not make
them "stupid choices".

I blame them for making idiotic choices that expose the customer
> to dangers, to viruses, to hackers. I DO AND WILL CONTINUE to blame
> Microsoft for making choices for their customers that make them send emails
> is (USELESS) HTML _AND_ in normal text.

This must be a default of Outlook Express because I have use Outlook since
its inception and have never had HTML enabled in outgoing messages by
default.


> I blame them for making the
> defaults such that BEFORE their customers use the software, they must
> become EXPERTS at how to ward off evils and how to save their butts, and
> how to turn off half the defaults to something REASONABLE. For THAT I do
> blame Micorosfot and will continue to do so. Your defense of them seems a
> little ludicrous! Got a contract with them lately? <G> (I am sure not, just
> teasing you...)

As I have said many times, I agree with you about Microsoft's business
practices, but I do not think we should decide that their products are all bad
just because their business practices stink.

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Avi:

I    A  G  R  E  E

Happily there are some programmers that have a different philosophy. In =
my
opinion "right" means user friendly and clearly documented and "wrong" is
the dominating Microsoft attitude you described plus lots of most impressi=
ng
program settings and poorly documented choices that let one loose time
without having any benefit.

Let's not speak about bugs that are carefully carried forward in many
versions.
That is the next chapter :))

Jean-Pierre

> --- quoted text below received from         Avi Meshar ---
> At 11/16/02-11:31 AM, Victor Roberts <Robertsv@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
> >On 8 Nov 2002 at 10:19, Avi Meshar wrote:
> >
> > > Could not resist the plug: This is a good reason to use Post/LX: It =
does
> > > not come with decisions made for you by some nitwit in Redmond WA! =
<vbg>
> >
> >But, POST/LX does come with with decisions made by a very intelligent
> >programmer, who like other programmers, unfortunately still has strong
> >opinions about the "right" and "wrong" ways that an editor should =
operate.
>
> At least you do not have to spend hours chasing the way to undo some of =
the
> default settings!!! Besides, I'd say that about 80% of the customers =
leave
> the setting as they are, DESPITE knowing how to change them, simply =
because
> they would choose the defaults that way too.
>
> Huge difference from the morons who decided that you really really want
> your package to make life easy for ALL HACKERS ;-) and that you obviousy
> ;-) want to have your system TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY EXPOSED to all =
dangers
> and so on, the kind of crap we get from Redmond. I cannot imagine a
> comparison less adequate, Vic.
>
> >It seems that no matter what product we choose, we are subject to the
> >prejudices of the programmers. This is human nature and should not be
> >blamed on Microsoft.
>
> Disagree! Vic, what I blamed them for is making STUPID choices for =
their
> customers. I blame them for making idiotic choices that expose the =
customer
> to dangers, to viruses, to hackers. I DO AND WILL CONTINUE to blame
> Microsoft for making choices for their customers that make them send =
emails
> is (USELESS) HTML _AND_ in normal text. I blame them for making the
> defaults such that BEFORE their customers use the software, they must
> become EXPERTS at how to ward off evils and how to save their butts, =
and
> how to turn off half the defaults to something REASONABLE. For THAT I =
do
> blame Micorosfot and will continue to do so. Your defense of them seems =
a
> little ludicrous! Got a contract with them lately? <G> (I am sure not, =
just
> teasing you...)
>
> Avi
>
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Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:
> In my opinion "right" means user friendly and clearly
> documented and "wrong" is the dominating Microsoft
> attitude you described plus lots of most impressing
> program settings and poorly documented choices that
> let one loose time without having any benefit.

Exactly. That is the one big plus of the Netscape messenger IMHO. All
the settings are in one place under <edit><preferences> and everyone
using a package for the first time should IMO make a point of going
through stuff like that once, even if he does not and does not want to
understand half of them. In DOS a single ASCII .CFG file with lots of
comment lines is just as good. The defaults in netscape are as bad as Oh
jEh (German for "oh dear") but very easy to find, mostly self
explanatory even to the novice and easily mended.
Still, a novice does not normally know that and why HTML and fullquotes
are bad, so it would be better to start without and leave it to him to
turn them on after he had a chance to learn what he's doing. (For me
fullquote and curser at the top is the ideal starting point for trimming
as this group has asked (nicely) do desist from relying on RID only.)
Also HTML has allowed me to highlight mistakes in work sent me by
daughter to proofread, so I do appreciate it being there if and when
it's wanted.

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Well, It looks like my company is switching over to Win 2000 from NT.
Unfortunatly, ActionTec has no driver for Win 2K.

Does anyone have any suggestions on a PCMCIA card reader/writer with a
parallel interface(No USB) compatable with Win 2K.

Thanks

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On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, Joe Buford wrote:

> Well, It looks like my company is switching over to Win 2000 from NT.

Maybe because Windows NT is not supported anymore by Microsoft?

> Does anyone have any suggestions on a PCMCIA card reader/writer with a
> parallel interface(No USB) compatable with Win 2K.

Do you abolutely want a parallel interface? Will an ISA or PCI -style
PCMCIA card reader fit your need? If yes, then SCM Microsystems
(www.scmmicro.com) has such devices, and they work well with Windows 2000.
I personally use an ISA version in my PC, it runs well under Windows 98,
Windows 2000, and Linux.

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01h05m ago Victor Roberts wrote:

[...]
> > >But, POST/LX does come with with decisions made by a very
> > >intelligent programmer, who like other programmers,
> > >unfortunately still has strong opinions about the
> > >"right" and "wrong" ways that an editor should operate.
[...]
> As for changing them, I have never found any way to change
> POST/LX so that it displays TABs the way that I want them
> displayed. It seems the only options are to expand TABs
> into Spaces or display the TABs as a circle.

Hi Vic, yep AFAIK that is correct, for PalEdit - the
feature you want is not implemented.

In POST/LX there is really no choice how TABS are displayed -
when reading a message - I think each TAB is displayed as a
single space.

> Other editors allow me to display TABs as spaces, and
> the best editors allow me to define how many spaces are
> displayed for each TAB character - without converting the
> TAB characters in the file into Spaces.

Possibly TSE will do this for you? AFAIK TSE is usable with
POST/LX as the editor. If not TSE, then hopefully one of these
other editors you refer to can be used with POST/LX, if you
need these TAB featires when doing e-mail.

-Tony

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Thanks Erwann,
>Maybe because Windows NT is not supported anymore by Microsoft?
Could be :-)

Would like to build in a PCMCIA reader burt may be easier to get IT
approval if it is external. We don't use the parallel port as all printing
is networked, and of course the Compaq's we have don't have USB ports :-(

Thanks though, I'll look into doing a built in.

Joe





Erwann ABALEA <erwann@abalea.com> on 11/16/2002 03:18:27 PM

To:    Joe Buford <joseph.e.buford@BOEING.COM>
cc:    <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>

Subject:  Re: PCMCIA adaptor


On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, Joe Buford wrote:

> Well, It looks like my company is switching over to Win 2000 from NT.

Maybe because Windows NT is not supported anymore by Microsoft?

> Does anyone have any suggestions on a PCMCIA card reader/writer with a
> parallel interface(No USB) compatable with Win 2K.

Do you abolutely want a parallel interface? Will an ISA or PCI -style
PCMCIA card reader fit your need? If yes, then SCM Microsystems
(www.scmmicro.com) has such devices, and they work well with Windows 2000.
I personally use an ISA version in my PC, it runs well under Windows 98,
Windows 2000, and Linux.

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Joe,
How about using a USB card in the PC with an external card reader.  Probabl=
y cheaper than an internal card reader and maybe more "flexable".  You wo=
uld surely have more choices in readers with USB.
I found the Lexar reader at Tigerdirect works well under Win 2K and WinXP a=
nd I think it is still under $20 there.  I've seen PCI USB cards for abou=
t $20 or so.  Total cost $40-$50.
Also,I got the email with your other address.  I'll resend the missing dige=
sts on Monday when I get back to the PC that has them.
Later,
bob

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From: Joe Buford
Subject: Re: PCMCIA adaptor

Would like to build in a PCMCIA reader burt may be easier to get IT
approval if it is external. We don't use the parallel port as all printing
is networked, and of course the Compaq's we have don't have USB ports :-(

Thanks though, I'll look into doing a built in.

Joe

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> On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, Joe Buford wrote:
> > Does anyone have any suggestions on a PCMCIA card reader/writer with a
> > parallel interface(No USB) compatable with Win 2K.
>
> Do you abolutely want a parallel interface? Will an ISA or PCI -style
> PCMCIA card reader fit your need? If yes, then SCM Microsystems
> (www.scmmicro.com) has such devices, and they work well with Windows 2000.
> I personally use an ISA version in my PC, it runs well under Windows 98,
> Windows 2000, and Linux.
> Erwann ABALEA <erwann@abalea.com> - RSA PGP Key ID: 0x2D0EABD5

I have used PCMCIA readers from Syncrotech.  They have a full range of
products.
http://www.synchrotech.com/products/card-rw_00.html
I would recommend them.
    Bob Pigford

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>I don't think I'd assume based on a single problem that it's
 >showing signs of age, if that's what you're doing. {snip} the LX
 >gets better with age ..

you may say that about wine .._._ but machinery ?!? or bodies ?!? this goes
against the laws of physics! .. and the speed limit so far is 300k/sec!
(Einstein)

how many here have dead LXs in their cupboard ?!?

Dr.Nat

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The human Swiss Army Knife

from..Sydney Morning Herald -  November 15, 2002
"An eccentric Frenchman who goes by the name of Crazy Eric has entered the
record books for the unusual feat of carrying permanently about his body
more than 1,000 useful objects... he carries a shaving kit, comprehensive
first aid gear, a mini-saw, blow-up mattress, an HP palmtop computer and
spare batteries, a change of clothes, a water-pouch, a water-filtering unit,
soldering iron, tape-measure, digital camera, etc etc."

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hiya Longden  :) .. the html gives you away as windoze user .._._ since when
did you go over to the dark side ?!?

 ></color>The ever-sensible and computer savvy Dr. Nat!  One does not
 >stay in this business of computers long if they begin to trust their
 >tools too much.

the lack of trust was the sole reason for buying a LX in the first place -
after i had chucked my junk Atari in the trash can (barbage bin .. for those
Queens Englanders out there)

 ></color>Flash cards have been fairly stable for me, but the risk
 >is the higher current draw for flash cards vs the internal RAM (and ..

not my experience so far .._._ i 'live' off a 20mb Sandisk in my 1mb SS unit
and get my 2 months on Alkalines.

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07h01m ago Victor Roberts wrote:

> As for changing them, I have never found any way to change
> POST/LX so that it displays TABs the way that I want them
> displayed. It seems the only options are to expand TABs
> into Spaces or display the TABs as a circle.  Other editors
> allow me to display TABs as spaces, and the best editors
> allow me to define how many spaces are displayed for each
> TAB character - without converting the TAB characters in
> the file into Spaces.

Vic, I decided to take up the challenge using PalEdit.

If you only want to use TABs for *indenting* then there is a
way to store them as TAB characters. Manually search for 5
spaces (or whatever you have set in PE.CFG as TabSize - this
is configurable) and convert then to ascii 09 (the TAB
circle). This macro works:

;replace spaces with tab
;alt-s= f4   sp1  sp2  sp3  sp4  sp5  f5   \    0    0    9   enter a
#1f00=#3e00#3920#3920#3920#3920#3920#3f00#2b5c#0b30#0b30#0a39#1c0d#1e61

BTW not all editors handle TABS purely by *displaying* them as
spaces - even KEDIT (the DOS version of XEDIT used on IBM
VM/CMS) actually converts them in the buffer and just
displays what is then in the buffer (same as PalEdit).

- Tony

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Joe Buford wrote
> Does anyone have any suggestions on a PCMCIA card reader/writer with a
> parallel interface(No USB) compatable with Win 2K.
>

Owning one of those, my only solution has been:

Installing a double boot to WIN98 or NT and W2K. You can't get it working
under W2K AFAIK.

Met vriendelijke groet, kind regards,
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>From: Nathalie Bugeaud <planetary@FREE.FR>
>The human Swiss Army Knife

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/11/13/1037080776940.html
I found several links about this guy. None mentioned an
HP computer or what type of computer it is.    I was hoping
it would say 200lx, alas it didn't.

Where is the good Dr. getting this information?


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On 17 Nov 2002 at 19:05, Tony Hutchins wrote:

> 07h01m ago Victor Roberts wrote:
>
> > As for changing them, I have never found any way to change
> > POST/LX so that it displays TABs the way that I want them
> > displayed. It seems the only options are to expand TABs
> > into Spaces or display the TABs as a circle.  Other editors
> > allow me to display TABs as spaces, and the best editors
> > allow me to define how many spaces are displayed for each
> > TAB character - without converting the TAB characters in
> > the file into Spaces.
>
> Vic, I decided to take up the challenge using PalEdit.
>
> If you only want to use TABs for *indenting* then there is a
> way to store them as TAB characters. Manually search for 5
> spaces (or whatever you have set in PE.CFG as TabSize - this
> is configurable) and convert then to ascii 09 (the TAB
> circle). This macro works:
>
> ;replace spaces with tab
> ;alt-s= f4   sp1  sp2  sp3  sp4  sp5  f5   \    0    0    9   enter a
> #1f00=#3e00#3920#3920#3920#3920#3920#3f00#2b5c#0b30#0b30#0a39#1c0d#1e61

Tony, thanks for the macro, but I think you have misunderstood the issue. The
files I have already contain TAB characters. The issue is that PALEDIT gives
me only two options if I use it to open these files:

1) Convert these TAB characters to spaces.

2) Display the TAB characters as a single small circle, which distorts the
indentation of the lines with the TAB characters.

Because of these limitations, I do not use PALEDIT with fles that have TAB
characters I want to preserve.

> BTW not all editors handle TABS purely by *displaying* them as
> spaces - even KEDIT (the DOS version of XEDIT used on IBM
> VM/CMS) actually converts them in the buffer and just
> displays what is then in the buffer (same as PalEdit).

I do not believe I ever said that ALL editors other than PALEDIT display
characters the way I would like them displayed. How could I possibly know
how ALL other editors work <G>. I was only using this as an example for Avi
that even PALEDIT contains limitations that reflect the preferences of its
programmer. The point I was trying to make is that Microsoft is not alone in
providing programs that are limited in one way or another by the preferences
of the programmer or programmers who designed the program.

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On 17 Nov 2002 at 5:01, Nathalie Bugeaud wrote:

> The human Swiss Army Knife
>
> from..Sydney Morning Herald -  November 15, 2002
> "An eccentric Frenchman who goes by the name of Crazy Eric has entered the
> record books for the unusual feat of carrying permanently about his body
> more than 1,000 useful objects... he carries a shaving kit, comprehensive
> first aid gear, a mini-saw, blow-up mattress, an HP palmtop computer and
> spare batteries, a change of clothes, a water-pouch, a water-filtering unit,
> soldering iron, tape-measure, digital camera, etc etc."

I certainly hope he doesn't plan to fly on a commercial airplane <G>

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathalie Bugeaud" <planetary@FREE.FR>
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Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 10:02 PM
Subject: re. I/O device error and cheese


> >I don't think I'd assume based on a single problem that it's
>  >showing signs of age, if that's what you're doing. {snip} the
LX
>  >gets better with age ..
>
> you may say that about wine .._._ but machinery ?!? or bodies ?!?
this goes
> against the laws of physics! .. and the speed limit so far is
300k/sec!
> (Einstein)
>
> how many here have dead LXs in their cupboard ?!?

Sounds like it's showing signs of age. :)

I'm glad you asked others to speak up about their LXs.  I kind of
thought of mine as normal.  If people would speak up about both
their troublesome machines and their trouble-free machines I think
it would give us all a little perspective on this.

One other thing might be useful.  When people speak up about their
machines, it might be good to know how many have speed upgrades.

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Sorry, folks, this is a private message to Barry:
Barry, I have sent you an email to your yahoo email account, since your
normal one still doesn't accept my emails. Please read it, it's quite
important.

Thank you
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02h51m ago Victor Roberts wrote:

> > The human Swiss Army Knife

> I certainly hope he doesn't plan to fly on a commercial
> airplane <G>

eric@ericlefou.net, did report to Slashdot that he has a
special thin set of clothes for this purpose. Before checkin
he changes into these, and puts his normal suit into his
luggage :)

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02h57m ago Victor Roberts wrote:

> Tony, thanks for the macro, but I think you have misunderstood the issue. The
> files I have already contain TAB characters. The issue is that PALEDIT gives
> me only two options if I use it to open these files:
>
> 1) Convert these TAB characters to spaces.
>
> 2) Display the TAB characters as a single small circle, which distorts the
> indentation of the lines with the TAB characters.
>
> Because of these limitations, I do not use PALEDIT with fles that have TAB
> characters I want to preserve.

Yep, I understand that, as there is a danger that the
TABS->spaces->TABS conversions could lose an original TAB
under editing of the buffer.

> > BTW not all editors handle TABS purely by *displaying* them as
> > spaces - even KEDIT (the DOS version of XEDIT used on IBM
> > VM/CMS) actually converts them in the buffer and just
> > displays what is then in the buffer (same as PalEdit).
>
> I do not believe I ever said that ALL editors other than
> PALEDIT display characters the way I would like them
> displayed. How could I possibly know how ALL other editors
> work <G>.

LOL! But I was pleased to find one, with a wide user base,
which has the minimum implementation of TAB features.

> I was only using this as an example for Avi that even
> PALEDIT contains limitations that reflect the preferences
> of its programmer.

True, they reflect a priority for feature implementation,
under other constraints as well (platform, code size,
performance).

> The point I was trying to make is that Microsoft is not
> alone in providing programs that are limited in one way or
> another by the preferences of the programmer or programmers
> who designed the program.

The Microsoft case is different in that virtually *any*
feature that can be thought of is implemented.

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Le Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:11:43 -0500
N Knight <nickknightonfk@HOTMAIL.COM> a =E9crit:

> None mentioned an
> HP computer or what type of computer it is.    I was hoping
> it would say 200lx, alas it didn't.

In his web site, at :
http://ericlefou.1.online.fr/MES_TRUCS/MESobjets/Mon_equipement/objetsTOP=
/objetsTOP.htm

he says :
  "- The electronic organizer (no more info, for security reasons)"

Anyway, I would not think about an HP200LX, I would say a jornada 5xx..


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05h46m ago Victor Roberts wrote:

> On 17 Nov 2002 at 19:05, Tony Hutchins wrote:
>
> > 07h01m ago Victor Roberts wrote:
> >
> > > As for changing them, I have never found any way to change
> > > POST/LX so that it displays TABs the way that I want them
> > > displayed. It seems the only options are to expand TABs
> > > into Spaces or display the TABs as a circle.  Other editors
> > > allow me to display TABs as spaces, and the best editors
> > > allow me to define how many spaces are displayed for each
> > > TAB character - without converting the TAB characters in
> > > the file into Spaces.

Vic, I just tried T.COM, or "TERSE",the 4096 byte editor by
Joseph (Yossi) Gil, and it has support for TABS!!! It
automatically displays TABs as spaces, but retains the
"circles" in the raw file. Very nice!

I see he even has "SLIM" which allows filters.

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Hello All,

 I now have several auctions running for 1Mb 200LX units. (including a short
three day auction) if anyone is interested:

 Bidding starts at a penny and no reserve for all auctions.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=802857575

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=802858151

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=802858587

 Regards,
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Nathalie Bugeaud wrote:
> how many here have dead LXs in their cupboard ?!?

(raises hand)

One 200LX, worked fine 'til I let the installed alkalines leak.  It
even worked on AC power after that, 'til I tried to clean the battery
(AA) connectors.  Now it makes a short of shrieking sound when
connected to AC, like the LGMs are in torment.  I suspect something
(one of the coils?) shorted on the logic board.

Plus, two 200LXs with hinge crack.  (Three, really, but I've repaired
the one that I use every day.)  One of those is a very lightly-used
SG7 unit, which makes me think that the real threat to the 200LX's
longevity is mechanical failures due to the plastic becoming more
brittle over time.

-Frank McConnell

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Chris Randle <chris@AMLOG.CO.UK> wrote:
""However, I discovered by trial-and-error that if, as soon as you see the
garbage, you ctrl-alt-del reboot, you will get NO corruption. The only
possible data loss is only the data changes to the current record. Over time
I got used to this behaviour and it became second nature. If you see the
garbage, DON'T save or cancel or close the app, just reboot
 -end-

that is exactly what i discovered too .._._ the hard way  <smile>

.. and Mr. M. wrote:
""behaviour". And as all "undefined behaviours", the result can be anything:
reformat all your drives, fill your screen with garbage, call Mr Bush, ...
So when you fall into the Twilight Zone, everything can happen, even loosing
your A: drive content while you're working on a database in the C: drive. :(
 -end-

is there no security in this world ?!? what has this world come to ..
praying with Mr Bush for salvation after being shot by a sniper .. or losing
C and A drive.  :) .. i can do without!
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Barry wrote:

Hello Barry,

> > http://www.pe32.com/


> Thanks.  I took a look.  It seems similar to the list of features
> in qedit and TSE.  There's also a 32 bit windows command line
> version of TSE.  I have it but I'm so used to the ins and outs of
> qedit that I've only used it a few times.
I found PE3 really upper compatible to PE2. Of course I have to consider
when can I use in my everyday work instead of the built in editor of
Access. The demo allowed only one save pro run.

                                        Regards
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Hi Daniel,

Thank you for your reply.  Just found the old daughterboard of my 200LX
with the techram instructions.  There is no mention at all anywhere that it
can be used for a 1mb 100LX. Just as you have suspected, I also don't think
it can be used to upgrade my 100LX so I'm not even going to bother trying
to open up my unit.

Thanks,

Oliver

>Probably not. 1MB 100LXs don't usually have the daughterboard
>connector, and do not even have space for a socket.
>Newer 2MB 100LX have that socket, and also have a 1mB daughterboard
>mounted.
>
>HTH
>daniel

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On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, _Cri_ wrote:

> At the moment, I'm testing some of the vi clones listed at the
> page: http://www.thomer.com/vi/vi.html
>
> Has anybody tried out any of them?

I'm a happy user of vim on my Linux, Solaris, and Windows boxes, so I
tested the 16-bits DOS version on my SS HP200LX... I deleted it a few
minutes later. Tooooooo sloooowww to be useful.

I'm still using QEdit on this machine, as I do since I tested this editor
some years ago (maybe more than 10 years, I don't remember).

The only thing I miss on QEdit is the color syntax highlighting. It helps
a lot. Unfortunately, I think it wouls be unusable on the HP200 screen.

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Thanks Bob,

Unfortunatly, I dont have a USB port and I's have to make a stronger case
to actually install a card in the computer.

I may end up with the Memorex PFC-100. I found the driver for it and they
are <$10 on Ebay.

Also, I belive the Memorex is being sold now by Syncrotec
(http://www.synchrotech.com/products/card-rw_09.html#part-numbers) for $60.
This one looks the same and has the same specs.

Thanks again

Joe




"Bob Penick" <bnj@myrealbox.com> on 11/16/2002 05:43:43 PM

Please respond to bnj@myrealbox.com

To:    joseph.e.buford@BOEING.COM
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Subject:  Re: PCMCIA adaptor


Joe,
How about using a USB card in the PC with an external card reader.
Probably cheaper than an internal card reader and maybe more "flexable".
You would surely have more choices in readers with USB.
I found the Lexar reader at Tigerdirect works well under Win 2K and WinXP
and I think it is still under $20 there.  I've seen PCI USB cards for about
$20 or so.  Total cost $40-$50.
Also,I got the email with your other address.  I'll resend the missing
digests on Monday when I get back to the PC that has them.
Later,
bob

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Subject: Re: PCMCIA adaptor

Would like to build in a PCMCIA reader burt may be easier to get IT
approval if it is external. We don't use the parallel port as all printing
is networked, and of course the Compaq's we have don't have USB ports :-(

Thanks though, I'll look into doing a built in.

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Hi Nat!

Is he on the list;-)

How many Eric's do we have?

(tongue firmly in cheek)

Joe




>Date:    Sun, 17 Nov 2002 05:01:34 +0100
>From:    Nathalie Bugeaud <planetary@FREE.FR>
>Subject: The human Swiss Army Knife

>The human Swiss Army Knife

>from..Sydney Morning Herald -  November 15, 2002
>"An eccentric Frenchman who goes by the name of Crazy Eric has entered the
>record books for the unusual feat of carrying permanently about his body
>more than 1,000 useful objects... he carries a shaving kit, comprehensive
>first aid gear, a mini-saw, blow-up mattress, an HP palmtop computer and
>spare batteries, a change of clothes, a water-pouch, a water-filtering
unit,
>soldering iron, tape-measure, digital camera, etc etc."

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Erwann ABALEA writes:
>
> It seems I'm not the only one left playing with cclxpop and the integrated
> cc:mail... ;)
>
> In case anybody's interested, I'm modifying cclxpop just now to add some
> support to character set conversions.

It seems that I am the only one left playing with PNR.
What you have done sounds very interesting and one of my next tODOs for
PNRTI. (When I finish getting done what I am currently doing to it ;)

I would like to incorporate something very similar into PNRTI. Let me know
how you go with your translation efforts.
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Daniel Hertrich writes:
> renamed files and IO errors sound very much like a FAT problem.

[snip]

Today I had a similar problem. I changed the batteries from a pair of 1600mah to
a pair of 1800mah and when I switched on the palmtop it refused to switch on.
When I hit CTRL SHIFT ON, It started up but jammed immediately. I restarted
again without using the startup files (after pressing ALT) and saw that my
C: drive had a lot of garbage files in it. I pkzipped the entire c: drive onto
the pc card and then reinitialized it.

After the reboot everything was fine and after restoreof the c: drive from
my last backup, and the appts file from the zip file everything is back as it
was.

Ok I can hear everyone saying "His backup battery is no good!"
The backup battery is NEW. (I change it on my birthday every year) and
LXSTAT reports it as OK.

It appears as though the backup battery is somehow not connected to the memory!

Any ideas anyone?

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Tamas,

That's great news.

I like the Actiontec much more than the Memorex.

I'll give it a shot when we change over!

Joe




"Tamas Feher" <etomcat@freemail.hu> on 11/17/2002 09:51:02 AM

To:    joseph.e.buford@BOEING.COM
cc:

Subject:  PCMCIA adaptor


Hello,

>Well, It looks like my company is switching over
>to Win 2000 from NT.
>Unfortunatly, ActionTec has no driver for Win 2K.

Just load and use the driver, it will work in
Windows 2000.
Windows 2000 is based on NT4.0, in fact it is just
NT4 after a facelift.

I have never seen an NT4 driver that does not work
with Windows 2000 (except for graphics hardware,
where Win2000 has DirectX, but NT4 doesn't.)

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hi,

does anybody know, how I can delete files older than a certain date
in a batch file?

Thanks,
Werner

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On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Dr. Werner Furlan wrote:

> does anybody know, how I can delete files older than a certain date
> in a batch file?

I can see 2 options:
 * you can find a DOS port of the GNU find utility, and probably a DOS
   port of an rm utility (GNU or not, it only purpose will be to actually
   delete files). After that, try something like this:
   find . -mtime 1 -exec rm {} ;
   to delete the files that have been modified exactly yesterday, or:
   find . -newer mydatedfile -exec rm {} ;
   to delete the files that were modified more recently than the file
   mydatedfile.
 * install 4DOS, and do it in it's batch language. It's reach enough to do
   the work.

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Check out http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=802389871&rd=1
$3.19 ea

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I wonder how repeatable these devices are, what I mean by this, how
close can these devices be recharged to their maximum potential and
what number of re-charges does this maximum charge capacity start to
dissipate or roll off?=20


On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 09:01:39 -0800, you wrote:

>Check out =
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D802389871&rd=3D1
>$3.19 ea

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A slightly longer way, but uses standard DOS commands

***
MD tempor; create a temporary directory
XCOPY source tempor /D:date; copies all files newer than "date" from the
source directory to a new temporary directory
DEL source\*.*; delete all files in source directory
XCOPY TEMPORAR\*.* SOURCE; copy the file from the temporary directory back
to the source directory
DEL TEMPORAR\*.*; delete the files in the temporary directory
RD TEMPORAR; delete the temporary directory
********
John

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On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Dr. Werner Furlan wrote:

> does anybody know, how I can delete files older than a certain date
> in a batch file?

I can see 2 options:
 * you can find a DOS port of the GNU find utility, and probably a DOS
   port of an rm utility (GNU or not, it only purpose will be to actually
   delete files). After that, try something like this:
   find . -mtime 1 -exec rm {} ;
   to delete the files that have been modified exactly yesterday, or:
   find . -newer mydatedfile -exec rm {} ;
   to delete the files that were modified more recently than the file
   mydatedfile.
 * install 4DOS, and do it in it's batch language. It's reach enough to do
   the work.

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I am interested in this, but I would like to specify elapsed time, rather
than a date which would have to be re-edited each time you use the batch
file.   Any suggestions?

Domingo

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> A slightly longer way, but uses standard DOS commands
>
> ***
> MD tempor; create a temporary directory
> XCOPY source tempor /D:date; copies all files newer than "date" from the
> source directory to a new temporary directory
> DEL source\*.*; delete all files in source directory
> XCOPY TEMPORAR\*.* SOURCE; copy the file from the temporary directory back
> to the source directory
> DEL TEMPORAR\*.*; delete the files in the temporary directory
> RD TEMPORAR; delete the temporary directory
> ********
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Erwann ABALEA
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 10:44 AM
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Re: Dos command to delete outdated files?
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Dr. Werner Furlan wrote:
>
> > does anybody know, how I can delete files older than a certain date
> > in a batch file?
>
> I can see 2 options:
>  * you can find a DOS port of the GNU find utility, and probably a DOS
>    port of an rm utility (GNU or not, it only purpose will be to actually
>    delete files). After that, try something like this:
>    find . -mtime 1 -exec rm {} ;
>    to delete the files that have been modified exactly yesterday, or:
>    find . -newer mydatedfile -exec rm {} ;
>    to delete the files that were modified more recently than the file
>    mydatedfile.
>  * install 4DOS, and do it in it's batch language. It's reach enough to do
>    the work.
>
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Well, alright.  I'll admit to having some of these tendencies.  On my belt I
currently have a cell phone, digital camera,employee ID badge and knife.  In
my pockets I have (everyday, mind you) house keys, LED flashlight, tiny
Swiss Army knife, pen, coins, jeweler's loupe, comb, Chapstick, folding
money, keys to 2 cars, HP200LX, spare alklaline AA cells wrapped in a rubber
band, wallet, and on sunny days my sunglasses.

Alan Striegel

>From: Joe Buford [mailto:joseph.e.buford@BOEING.COM]
>Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 10:07 AM
>...
>How many Eric's do we have?

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Hi,

For those who understand German, Carsten Fabich's article
"Standhafte Sammler - NiMH-Mignon-Akkus: Wer h=E4lt l=E4nger
durch?" in the current issue of the computer magazine c't
24/2002, pages 170 -173, might be an interesting read.

In there, they test 19 different NiMH AA cells with nominal
capacities between 1750 and 2000 mAh, including cells from
Accupower, Ansmann, Conrad, Duracell, Energizer, Friwo,
Golden Peak, Hama, H=E4hnel, Panasonic, Sanyo, Unomat,
and Varta. None of the cells reached their nominal
capacity, though.

According to the test, the highest capacity cell was the
Friwo exclusiv 2000 for ca. EUR 4.50 (1797..1977 mAh).

Other good ones were the Conrad Energy 2000 (1616..1879 mAh,
ca. EUR 5.00), Accupower 2000 (1740..1853 mAh, ca. EUR 5.00),
GP 2000 (1683..1836 mAh, ca. EUR 3.24) and Panasonic Pro+ 2000
(1631..1793 mAh, ca. EUR 5.00) cells. The Unomat 2000 (803..1588 mAh,
ca. EUR 4.25) was the worst.

Since I wrote about my good experiences with Varta NiMH AAA
cells, their Varta Photo Accu 5706 with a nominal capacity of
1900 mAh reached 1677..1772 mAh for ca. EUR 5.00.

They did not test the tolerances within a single production
charge, nor did they check the long-time durability (according
to the datasheets between 500 and 1000 cyles, but often only
50..100 cyles in reality).

Greetings,

 Matthias

PS. In c't 23/2002 they tested 31 Alkaline-Manganite AA batteries.

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>>> does anybody know, how I can delete files older than a certain date
>>> in a batch file?

>>A slightly longer way, but uses standard DOS commands

Doesnt seem like a good solution is found yet?? how about a program written
for this? like the DOS command delete but with some extra switches like
before after and equals date?

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Hi,

I have two questions about the rechargeable batteries:

1. I have been reading about NiMH battery capacities a lot, but what about
their life in an 200LX? Does anyone has a comparison list for this?
   (like; brand / capacity / battery life per charge / how many times they
can be recharged / etc)

2. HP only recommends to use Nickel Cadmiums in the palmtop, not NiMHs. Can
recharging NiMH batteries in the palmtops cause any damage?

Thanks...

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On 18 Nov 2002 at 10:19, Tony Hutchins wrote:

> Vic, I just tried T.COM, or "TERSE",the 4096 byte editor by
> Joseph (Yossi) Gil, and it has support for TABS!!! It
> automatically displays TABs as spaces, but retains the
> "circles" in the raw file. Very nice!
>
> I see he even has "SLIM" which allows filters.

Thanks Tony. I think I already have a copy of T.com.

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On 17 Nov 2002, at 5:02, Nathalie Bugeaud wrote:

>  > {snip} the LX gets better with age ..
>
> you may say that about wine .._._ but machinery ?!? or bodies ?!? this
> goes against the laws of physics! .. and the speed limit so far is
> 300k/sec! (Einstein)

Give or take a hundred km or two.  Hey, this is a geek list,
remember?

And I've lost 26 lbs this year, so I've gotten better with age.  To
make that remark LX-relevant, I'll add that the Personal Food
Analyst had a lot to do with it <g>.

> how many here have dead LXs in their cupboard ?!?

Not I.  One 2x unit and two 1x units, all in good condition and
computing their little hearts out daily.  Blessed are the LX's for they
are long on tooth and low in FAT (except in Nathalie's case where
the FAT must've gone rancid).

- Longden (35 lbs to go!)

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On 17 Nov 2002, at 5:00, Nathalie Bugeaud wrote:

> hiya Longden  :) .. the html gives you away as windoze user .._._
> since when did you go over to the dark side ?!?

A beggar isn't choosy.  I email with whatever's available these
days, and for my home email it's usually Pegasus on windoze.

>  ></color>The ever-sensible and computer savvy Dr. Nat!  One does not
>  >stay in this business of computers long if they begin to trust their
>  >tools too much.
>
> the lack of trust was the sole reason for buying a LX in the first
> place - after i had chucked my junk Atari in the trash can (barbage
> bin .. for those Queens Englanders out there)

We all have levels of comfort and trust.  I personally don't expect
anything man-made to be infallible ... but the 200LX is at least less
fallible than most.  I suppose that as with any companion (human
or otherwise) we eventually will turn them out when they betray us
once too often.

>  ></color>Flash cards have been fairly stable for me, but the risk >is
>  the higher current draw for flash cards vs the internal RAM (and ..
>
> not my experience so far .._._ i 'live' off a 20mb Sandisk in my 1mb
> SS unit and get my 2 months on Alkalines.

... and trust lives on.

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On 18 Nov 2002, at 18:17, A. G. OZISIK wrote:

> I have two questions about the rechargeable batteries:
>
> 1. I have been reading about NiMH battery capacities a lot, but what
> about their life in an 200LX? Does anyone has a comparison list for
> this? (like; brand / capacity / battery life per charge / how many times
>    they can be recharged / etc)

Most of us who use rechargeables have probably switched to
NiMH.  I don't recall ever seeing a comparison list, but I may not
have been paying attention.  It seems that most of us are using
cells from a variety of manufacturers in the 1600-2000 mAh range.
I get about 11-14 hours per charge on my 1800 mAh Monster cells.
 I don't think anyone's ever counted the number of recharges ...
they probably will switch to the next higher available capacity
before the current ones lose their ability to hold a charge.

> 2. HP only recommends to use Nickel Cadmiums in the palmtop, not
> NiMHs. Can recharging NiMH batteries in the palmtops cause any damage?

NiMH's were probably not widely available at the time HP was
making the recommendation.  NiMH's appear to get hotter in the LX
during recharging, but that may be due to the excessive amount of
time required due to the low recharge current.  All my LX's (3) have
run on rechargeables for several years and all are still running
(knock on wood).

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14m ago Victor Roberts wrote:

> Thanks Tony. I think I already have a copy of T.com.

Vic, T.COM seems to have been just "before my time". I found
it on the PTP CD - from the Sept/Oct 1993 "On Disk". I only
got my first palmtop in 1994. That version - 1.51 seems to be
the last version of TERSE. Joesph Gil is still at
techion.ac.il, and I looked around the ftp there - and saw
some evidence of it - but it seems to have been removed.

If anyone here has trs140f.zip, I'd love a copy.
I found the abridged trs140a.zip which has placeholders for
lots of interesting little utilities.

Also, re TABS I see what you say more clearly now. EMACS has
an "untabify" setting - which is what PE does. Unix has a
special utility called "expand" to turn spaces into tabs. But,
as you say the default seems to be to actively interpret tabs
for display, and only untabify via an external. With PE it is
internal.

Even S.COM can pipe a file through EXPAND or UNEXPAND.
One thing T.COM can't do is edit multiple files<G> - but the
view of the author is that if you want to do that, use
DESQVIEW - a nice argument, shifting the onus to the operating
system<G>.

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Hi

I read a lot about large flashcards lately and I know I have seen it
here on the list, but how much memory does the Acecard driver use?

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On Sat,  9 Nov 2002 17:35:36 -0500, Klaus wrote:

> This subject was discussed in a previous post. Has this problem been
> identified and resolved or is it still in limbo?. The problem occurs  when
> tremm.exe -the ems memory manager is used in the doublespeed upgrade. Upon
> rebooting error #1 is displayed. I have seen the previous posts but there
> seems to be no consensus as to why this is happening. I have had no luck
> with thaddeus or times2tech. Is Mack at times2tech still available for
> resolving this problem?

Hi

I think this was the same error I had. I could not find a solution. I
tried different tremm.exe. I could not get SC to see the tremm.swp
file. I got that error #1 when booting.

Sorry I could not find a solution. I do not remember all that I tried,
but I think everything worked okey with same tremm and same SC on a 8mb
machine and everything worked, but not on my 32mb machine

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I've decided to take a look at Adreas's PIM/LX software. I can't
figure out how to use it. Is there a manual somewhere? I edited the
.cfg files like I'm supposed to, and start from PE, and I can
sometimes get to the GUI calendar, but not always, and I can't figure
out how to edit an item and return to the calendar.

thanks,

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I would like to have a command-line calculator that I can use from
DOS. I downloaded EVAL from SUPER, and it runs fine on my PC, but
gives wild answers on the LX. Has anyone else seen this? For example,
the command

eval 100*2

This gives "200" on my PC, but on the LX, it says:
Value = -5.00:0=e+2803

Whatever that means. It tells me this even if I have 562 Kbytes of
memory available. Sometimes the answer is weird like above, sometimes
it's -INF, -0, or NAN.

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I am attaching the documentation that comes in PIM.ZIP. Please get PIM.ZIP
from our website - as there I can guarantee the content, while elsewhere I
will not be able to help you since I cannot guarantee what is included.
Here is the link ftp://ftp.dasoft.com/pub/PE/pim.zip

Avi

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At 11/19/02-12:04 AM, Curtis Cameron <cc@CCDOMINOES.COM> wrote:
>I've decided to take a look at Adreas's PIM/LX software. I can't
>figure out how to use it. Is there a manual somewhere? I edited the
>.cfg files like I'm supposed to, and start from PE, and I can
>sometimes get to the GUI calendar, but not always, and I can't figure
>out how to edit an item and return to the calendar.
>
>thanks,
>
>Curtis
>
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At 11/19/02-12:13 AM, Curtis Cameron <cc@CCDOMINOES.COM> wrote:
>I would like to have a command-line calculator that I can use from
>DOS. I downloaded EVAL from SUPER, and it runs fine on my PC, but
>gives wild answers on the LX. Has anyone else seen this?

Don't know EVAL, but try these:

calc100, CALC10vk, CLC192, OCTO100B, and itf you feel like regular
expressions then EXPR.  All came from SIMTEL at some point. You can find
them all at ftp://ftp.dasoft.com/pub/

I used them all on the palmtop with varying degrees of success which really
depended on what I was trying to accomplish and so on. They are all very
nice apps for the palmtop!

Hope this helps.

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Date:         Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:20:03 -0000
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The main differences for NiMh bateries are

Higher possible capacities
smaller memory effect
higher internal resistance (not able
to supply as high currents as NiCd)
number of recharge cycles is smaller

Nothing from these properties can damage your 200LX. Moreover
they miss one very bad property of NiCd:
If the NiCd batery is very old it usually gets internal
short so it may damage recharging circuits. I have
seen it already in my Olivetti Quaderno. When NiMh batery
is old its internal resistance is higher and higher, so it is not
able to supply enough current, but no other risk is here.

Radek

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>
> Hi,
>
> I have two questions about the rechargeable batteries:
>
> 1. I have been reading about NiMH battery capacities a lot, but what about
> their life in an 200LX? Does anyone has a comparison list for this?
> (like; brand / capacity / battery life per charge / how many times they
> can be recharged / etc)
>
> 2. HP only recommends to use Nickel Cadmiums in the palmtop, not NiMHs.
Can
> recharging NiMH batteries in the palmtops cause any damage?
>
> Thanks...
>
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On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Curtis Cameron wrote:

> I would like to have a command-line calculator that I can use from
> DOS. I downloaded EVAL from SUPER, and it runs fine on my PC, but
> gives wild answers on the LX. Has anyone else seen this?

I personnaly use GNU bc, or #. bc has the advantage of being an infinite
precision calculator, when I need it.

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> > At the moment, I'm testing some of the vi clones listed at the
> > page: http://www.thomer.com/vi/vi.html
> > Has anybody tried out any of them?
> I'm a happy user of vim on my Linux, Solaris, and Windows boxes, so I
> tested the 16-bits DOS version on my SS HP200LX... I deleted it a few
> minutes later. Tooooooo sloooowww to be useful.

I disagree. Vi[m] is my favourite editor. There are several mutations
runable on 200LX, I have three of them installed.
First is some minimal version [47164 bytes] fast enough to use, but
limited in functionality. Second is Elvis [372158], a bit slower, but
still very usable, rich in functionality, and the last, vim v.5.8 [423736]
is the richest, but yes, slowest. It's good for global changes etc, not
for 'normal' writing. Very, very powerful.
I know TSE Jr and original QEdit, you are true it's very cool and if there
would be no Vi[m], I'd use QEdit.

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Martin Bergvill asked:
>>  Acecarddriver how big is it?

My DS palmtop says for the ACECARD3 driver  using MEM /D

ACECARD3 3130 HEX
  DFLASH$$
  F:

, so it would be 13Kb. I use it to run my 448MB SimpleTech.


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Date:         Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:11:37 +1300
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01h58m ago Curtis Cameron wrote:

> I edited the .cfg files like I'm supposed to, and
> start from PE, and I can sometimes get to the GUI calendar,
> but not always, and I can't figure out how to edit an item
> and return to the calendar.

Curtis, CTRL-ENTER on a blank line from PE should always start
PIM.EXE and show the GUI Calendar.

From the PIM GUI, if you have an appointment highlighted you
can press CTRL-ENTER and be taken to it in the appropriate PIM
file, which you can then edit, and then CTRL-ENTER (after F10
to re-save the file, and position the cursor on a blank line)
again to re-display the GUI.

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Hello there,
is it possible to draw more than one curve at a time?
Stupid example: y=sin(x), y=cos(x). Is it possible to have both of them
drawn at once?
Thanks a lot

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Hi All,

Just let you know that Curtis Cameron has release his Microsoft Outlook
to HP LX Converter version 3.08 and it's available at:

www.ccdominoes.com/hplx/

This version also takes care of the Location field- so you now get
where the meeting will be held, converted to the "Location" field in
the Appointment Book. If the Location has more than 19 characters, then
the first 19 characters is put in the "Location" field. And the whole
location string is then also set as the first line of the item's note!

I am using Outlook 2002 and one PC with Win2K and other with Win XP-
and it works great!

Have fun!

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Date:         Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:14:59 +0200
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Tue, 19.11.02 3:13 PM +0200

Hi friends,

as always: http://www.palmtop.net

Changelog:
DR. NAT's DATABASE COLLECTION added
BAT2QBAS added
HV HYPERTEXT VIEWER FOR 95LX added
RIZIKO re-added
SUNDRV (MODIFIED) added
FIFTEEN updated


Daniel [SUPER team]


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Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:33 PM
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> I am interested in this, but I would like to specify elapsed
time, rather
> than a date which would have to be re-edited each time you use
the batch
> file.   Any suggestions?

If you know basic a simple program in qbasic or gwbasic could be
made to do it any way you want.  Basic programs can be run from a
batch file.

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> On 18 Nov 2002 at 10:19, Tony Hutchins wrote:
>
> > Vic, I just tried T.COM, or "TERSE",the 4096 byte editor by
> > Joseph (Yossi) Gil, and it has support for TABS!!! It
> > automatically displays TABs as spaces, but retains the
> > "circles" in the raw file. Very nice!

The circles are tabs.  Tabs are control characters in a text editor
but to dos or a hex editor they're just another binary byte.  Dos
and a lot of tools that use dos to do the displaying on the screen
have assigned that little circle to the value 9, which is the tab
character to a text editor.  Dos doesn't know they're supposed to
be tabs.

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: 2002 CallWave is a Virus!!!


> 14m ago Victor Roberts wrote:
>
> > Thanks Tony. I think I already have a copy of T.com.
>
> Vic, T.COM seems to have been just "before my time". I found
> it on the PTP CD - from the Sept/Oct 1993 "On Disk". I only
> got my first palmtop in 1994. That version - 1.51 seems to be
> the last version of TERSE. Joesph Gil is still at
> techion.ac.il, and I looked around the ftp there - and saw
> some evidence of it - but it seems to have been removed.

As I remember it the first tiny editor was TED.com (TED for Tiny
Editor), published in PC Magazine's utilities column, complete with
assembly source code.  It was amazing how much you could do with so
very few features.

Terse and it's variations came a year or two later and I think (I'm
not completely sure it's Terse that I'm thinking of) were actually
modifications of TED.  There were two or three other itty bitty
editors that were also modifictions of TED.  All of them looked
pretty much like TED but had a lot of extra features.  None was
much bigger than TED.

I remember taking one of them that came with source and modifying
it to fit the 16 line screen of the 95lx.  It was pretty handy when
I only had a 512k card in my 512k 95lx.  When I got the huge 2 meg
card I switched to qedit, which I used on my PC and at work.

Later PC Magazine also published an updated version of TED.

Just a bit of history as remembered from the foggy past.  :)

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hi Domingo,

On 18 Nov 2002 at 13:33, Domingo wrote:

> I am interested in this, but I would like to specify elapsed time, rather
> than a date which would have to be re-edited each time you use the batch
> file.   Any suggestions?
>

I did not find a tool like this, so I sat down and did it myself.
My program is quite large because the only language I know is Clipper
and there is a lot of overhead to program some lines of code.
If you are interested, please let me know.
The usage is easy, but the program is dangerous. I recommend a backup
before you use it. I did not do much effort to check the parameters
and ask security questions.
Maybe combine it with the batch file we got here from John.

delold.exe [days before today] [file.ext]
e.g.:
delold.exe 100 *.tmp

will delete all files older than 100 days matching the pattern *.tmp
in the work directory.

cheers,
Werner




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>>I did not find a tool like this, so I sat down and did it myself.
>>My program is quite large because the only language I know is Clipper
>>and there is a lot of overhead to program some lines of code.

in a few days or a week there will be a small dos utility available

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On 19 Nov 2002 at 9:04, Barry wrote:

> > On 18 Nov 2002 at 10:19, Tony Hutchins wrote:
> >
> > > Vic, I just tried T.COM, or "TERSE",the 4096 byte editor by
> > > Joseph (Yossi) Gil, and it has support for TABS!!! It
> > > automatically displays TABs as spaces, but retains the
> > > "circles" in the raw file. Very nice!
>
> The circles are tabs.  Tabs are control characters in a text editor
> but to dos or a hex editor they're just another binary byte.  Dos
> and a lot of tools that use dos to do the displaying on the screen
> have assigned that little circle to the value 9, which is the tab
> character to a text editor.  Dos doesn't know they're supposed to
> be tabs.

Actually DOS doesn't know much on its own. It is up to the application (the
editor in this case) to determine how TAB characters are displayed. Some
editors use the circles, some use other ASCII characters, and some expand
the TABs into a number of spaces, sometimes user defined, in the display,
while retaining the TAB characters in the file.

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F.McConnell wrote:
""makes me think that the real threat to the 200LX's longevity is mechanical
failures due to the plastic becoming more brittle over time.""

if I/O errors are "mechanical", yes - my experience has been less with the
plastic than with silicone .._._ the RAM/memory failures.

which makes me think .. if we have 4 LXs - 2ea with RAM/mem failures, and 2
with broken plastic parts, we could swap and have one working each.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Werner Furlan" <furlan@GMX.NET>
> I did not find a tool like this, so I sat down and did it myself.
> My program is quite large because the only language I know is Clipper
> and there is a lot of overhead to program some lines of code.
> If you are interested, please let me know.
> The usage is easy, but the program is dangerous. I recommend a backup
> before you use it. I did not do much effort to check the parameters
> and ask security questions.
> Maybe combine it with the batch file we got here from John.

Thanks for your kind offer.  Actually, I was hoping for a utility to use
with batch files for different operations, not just delete.  In one
directory I would want to delete files older than so much, but in another I
would want to backup files more recent than so much, and in yet another I
would want to copy files more recent than so much.   I could definitely use
such a thing on my notebook pc, so I could forgive the big size, if
reliable.  In other words, the utility would really need to only test the
lapse of time in one direction or the other, then pass the resulting files
to DOS commands in a batch file program (I figure that would be much easier
than doing it all itself).

Sorry for not clarifying myself sooner.

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Been using Panasonic 1500mAH cells for?... about three years I think. I
try to charge them once a week in an external charger whether they need
it or not, rotating two sets of cells.

They get both quick charged and slow charged in various chargers with no
problems.

Bob

"A. G. OZISIK" wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have two questions about the rechargeable batteries:
>
> 1. I have been reading about NiMH battery capacities a lot, but what about
> their life in an 200LX? Does anyone has a comparison list for this?
>    (like; brand / capacity / battery life per charge / how many times they
> can be recharged / etc)
>
> 2. HP only recommends to use Nickel Cadmiums in the palmtop, not NiMHs. Can
> recharging NiMH batteries in the palmtops cause any damage?
>
> Thanks...
>
> A. G. OZISIK
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Curtis wrote:

> I would like to have a command-line calculator that I can use from
> DOS. I downloaded EVAL from SUPER, and it runs fine on my PC, but
> gives wild answers on the LX. Has anyone else seen this? For example,
> the command
>
> eval 100*2
>
> This gives "200" on my PC, but on the LX, it says:
> Value = -5.00:0=e+2803

   Sounds as if it needs a numeric coprocessor.  Try
EM87 from S.U.P.E.R. and see if that makes a difference.
Though the little calculator I use just gives zeroes if
EM87 is not loaded.

Steve

P.S.

   If a digest subscriber could send me #371, I missed it.
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Perhaps the utility locate.com could be configured to do what you want.
I use is for all kind of file manipulations including deletion. It takes
lots of parameters. Once you have the right ones it runs perfectly. It's
a nice utility. Take a look at it (not just at the description but also
the documentation in the zip:  http://members.cox.net/dos/filefind.htm#lo=
cate

Best regards,
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> -- Original-Nachricht --
> Date:         Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:14:36 -0500
> Reply-To:     Domingo <dvm123@GMX.CO.UK>
> From:         Domingo <dvm123@GMX.CO.UK>
> Subject:      Re: Dos command to delete outdated files?
> To:           HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dr. Werner Furlan" <furlan@GMX.NET>
> > I did not find a tool like this, so I sat down and did it myself.
> > My program is quite large because the only language I know is Clipper=

> > and there is a lot of overhead to program some lines of code.
> > If you are interested, please let me know.
> > The usage is easy, but the program is dangerous. I recommend a backup=

> > before you use it. I did not do much effort to check the parameters
> > and ask security questions.
> > Maybe combine it with the batch file we got here from John.
>
> Thanks for your kind offer.  Actually, I was hoping for a utility to us=
e
> with batch files for different operations, not just delete.  In one
> directory I would want to delete files older than so much, but in anoth=
er
> I
> would want to backup files more recent than so much, and in yet another=

I
> would want to copy files more recent than so much.   I could definitely=

use
> such a thing on my notebook pc, so I could forgive the big size, if
> reliable.  In other words, the utility would really need to only test
the
> lapse of time in one direction or the other, then pass the resulting fi=
les
> to DOS commands in a batch file program (I figure that would be much ea=
sier
> than doing it all itself).
>
> Sorry for not clarifying myself sooner.
>
> Domigo
>
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Hi,
I've just been digging around and I've finally found my 200LX Connectivity Pack
manual and cable. But the software disk appears to have vanished. Can someone
either make a disk image of the disk (either ZIP up the contents or use
Winimage or RAWRITE, I'm not picky) and email me the resulting image file?

Also, I'm after a copy of the HP 100/200/700LX Developer's Guide, either a
spare (paper) copy that someone has lying around spare, or a scanned PDF or
DjVu version. I also need copies of the software disks that came with the book.
I've tried HP, they just said "We have no record of the 700LX palmtop, it must
be someone else's product" (when it's got a Hewlett Packard label on it?).

Thanks.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: 2002 CallWave is a Virus!!!


> On 19 Nov 2002 at 9:04, Barry wrote:
>
> > > On 18 Nov 2002 at 10:19, Tony Hutchins wrote:
> > >
> > > > Vic, I just tried T.COM, or "TERSE",the 4096 byte editor by
> > > > Joseph (Yossi) Gil, and it has support for TABS!!! It
> > > > automatically displays TABs as spaces, but retains the
> > > > "circles" in the raw file. Very nice!
> >
> > The circles are tabs.  Tabs are control characters in a text
editor
> > but to dos or a hex editor they're just another binary byte.
Dos
> > and a lot of tools that use dos to do the displaying on the
screen
> > have assigned that little circle to the value 9, which is the
tab
> > character to a text editor.  Dos doesn't know they're supposed
to
> > be tabs.
>
> Actually DOS doesn't know much on its own. It is up to the
application (the
> editor in this case) to determine how TAB characters are
displayed. Some
> editors use the circles, some use other ASCII characters, and
some expand
> the TABs into a number of spaces, sometimes user defined, in the
display,
> while retaining the TAB characters in the file.

That's true but the way Dos displays character 9 (Tab) is that
little circle.  So when you see that it's usually because the
program displaying it is just letting Dos do the work.

Come to think of it, that's probably not determined by Dos either.
It's likely determined by the code page, which is a feature of
BIOS.  Some programs do call BIOS directly to print characters and
so does Dos.

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: Dos command to delete outdated files?


> Thanks for your kind offer.  Actually, I was hoping for a utility
to use
> with batch files for different operations, not just delete.  In
one
> directory I would want to delete files older than so much, but in
another I
> would want to backup files more recent than so much, and in yet
another I
> would want to copy files more recent than so much.   I could
definitely use
> such a thing on my notebook pc, so I could forgive the big size,
if
> reliable.  In other words, the utility would really need to only
test the
> lapse of time in one direction or the other, then pass the
resulting files
> to DOS commands in a batch file program (I figure that would be
much easier
> than doing it all itself).

I wrote a little set of utilities to do just that at work years
ago.  There was a program picker that called del or ren or one of
it's set of programs that did various things.  This was for
maintaining some things on a network automatically.

I'm not sure if I still have them but I'll look.  I'll be gone most
of the day so it'll be tonight or in the morning.

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I'm looking for a copy of Info Select ver 2.? (DOS). I owned the program
back in the dark ages of my 286. I have contacted the company and they show
me as a registered owner and elig. for the upgrade price on the newer
versions, but they no longer carry the DOS versions.

Thanks, Woody B


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<<Also, I'm after a copy of the HP 100/200/700LX Developer's Guide,
either a spare (paper) copy that someone has lying around spare>>

FYI -- We still sell the print copy. Years ago we worked out at deal
with HP to sell it.

http://www.palmtoppaper.com/store/asp/prodtype.asp?prodtype=3D3D49


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Hal Goldstein wrote:
> <<Also, I'm after a copy of the HP 100/200/700LX Developer's Guide,
> either a spare (paper) copy that someone has lying around spare>>
>
> FYI -- We still sell the print copy. Years ago we worked out at deal
> with HP to sell it.
>
> http://www.palmtoppaper.com/store/asp/prodtype.asp?prodtype=3D49
Two things:
1) That link is a dud (500 Server Error)
2) $79 plus $12 shipping ($91) seems a little steep for a manual... Just how
big is the thing?

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Maybe you should get a batch enhancement program like Strings.  Look for it
at ftp://ftp.zdnet.com/pcmag/1992/1222/strings.zip.

This free utility from PC Magazine adds functions for handling text strings,
dates and many system and file parameters within the DOS batch environment.

Alan Striegel

>From: Domingo [mailto:dvm123@GMX.CO.UK]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:15 PM
>...
>Thanks for your kind offer.  Actually, I was hoping for a utility to use
>with batch files for different operations, not just delete.  In one
>directory I would want to delete files older than so much, but in another I
>would want to backup files more recent than so much, and in yet another I
>would want to copy files more recent than so much.   I could definitely use
>such a thing on my notebook pc, so I could forgive the big size, if
>reliable.  In other words, the utility would really need to only test the
>lapse of time in one direction or the other, then pass the resulting files
>to DOS commands in a batch file program (I figure that would be much easier
>than doing it all itself).
>...

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>From: Philip Pemberton <philpem@DSL.PIPEX.COM>
>I've tried HP, they just said "We have no record of the 700LX palmtop, it
>must
>be someone else's product" (when it's got a Hewlett Packard label on it?).
As someone who owns lots of Hewlett Packard products that
just fills me with confidence.

I remember years ago when HP actually had a clue.........

BTW, wasn't the Developrs Guide on the
HP200lx CD that Thaddeus put out in
past years?  I forget what it was called
but it had lots of stuff for the the 200lx
on it.    I seem to recall it had the
Developers guide on it.

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N Knight wrote:
>> From: Philip Pemberton <philpem@DSL.PIPEX.COM>
>> I've tried HP, they just said "We have no record of the 700LX
>> palmtop, it must
>> be someone else's product" (when it's got a Hewlett Packard label on
>> it?).
> As someone who owns lots of Hewlett Packard products that
> just fills me with confidence.
Yup. Same here.
And one of the reasons I called them (about five years ago) was to find out
how much it would cost to get the case latch repaired. That's when I got the
"The 700LX doesn't exist sir, Yes, that's a HP serial number sir, No we
never made any DOS based palmtops, sir" routine. [cue sarcastic laugh - har
har].

> I remember years ago when HP actually had a clue.........
So do I... I remember when HP Deskjets and Laserjets were good printers. I
know someone who still uses a DeskJet 500C - works just as well as it did
when new, even on refilled compatible cartridges. I know people with
LaserJet IIPs that were picked up at hamfests and repaired for $10, then
they were put back into regular service...
I personally use a Panasonic KX-P4400 LED printer - far smaller and far
easier to maintain. And Panasonic even put the Service Manual on their
website <g>

> BTW, wasn't the Developrs Guide on the
> HP200lx CD that Thaddeus put out in
> past years?  I forget what it was called
> but it had lots of stuff for the the 200lx
> on it.    I seem to recall it had the
> Developers guide on it.
I think the CD was called the "Infobase" or something like that.
If the CD was $25 inc shipping, I'd buy it. Hell, if it was $50 inc.
shipping, I'd buy it. But $59 plus $12 shipping is taking the P. Is the CD
shipped in a solid gold jewel case or something?

Later.
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Subject: Info Select


> I'm looking for a copy of Info Select ver 2.? (DOS). I owned the
program
> back in the dark ages of my 286. I have contacted the company and
they show
> me as a registered owner and elig. for the upgrade price on the
newer
> versions, but they no longer carry the DOS versions.

Dark age?  Golden age!

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Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: Developers Guide


> Hal Goldstein wrote:
> > <<Also, I'm after a copy of the HP 100/200/700LX Developer's
Guide,
> > either a spare (paper) copy that someone has lying around
spare>>
> >
> > FYI -- We still sell the print copy. Years ago we worked out at
deal
> > with HP to sell it.
> >
> >
http://www.palmtoppaper.com/store/asp/prodtype.asp?prodtype=3D49
> Two things:
> 1) That link is a dud (500 Server Error)
> 2) $79 plus $12 shipping ($91) seems a little steep for a
manual... Just how
> big is the thing?

Big!  I got my copy from HP when they first were available and
that's what I paid for it.  Or maybe it was $99.  I don't remember.
It was money well spent.

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From: "Philip Pemberton" <philpem@DSL.PIPEX.COM>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:16 PM
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> > BTW, wasn't the Developrs Guide on the
> > HP200lx CD that Thaddeus put out in
> > past years?  I forget what it was called
> > but it had lots of stuff for the the 200lx
> > on it.    I seem to recall it had the
> > Developers guide on it.
> I think the CD was called the "Infobase" or something like that.
> If the CD was $25 inc shipping, I'd buy it. Hell, if it was $50
inc.
> shipping, I'd buy it. But $59 plus $12 shipping is taking the P.
Is the CD
> shipped in a solid gold jewel case or something?

I think I paid $119 for the original CD and $69 for the update next
year.  It had so much good stuff on it, including a lot of stuff
Thaddeus had to pay for, that I thought it was a bargain.

Also, Hall Goldstein has been hanging out on 200lx groups for a
long time, since the early days of HPHAND, giving us good deals,
free advice, lots of dedication, helping us keep this system alive
and and going out of his way to be way past fair.  His prices are
sometimes high but wait till something goes wrong.  You'll be glad
then that you dealt with Thaddeus.

If you prefer cheap, buy Memorex. :)

A lot of the newer people here don't know about all the things Hal
has done for LX users over the years so it's understandable that
they think of him just as another greedy businessman.  But it just
ain't so.

I guess a lot of people here today don't know about The Palmtop
Paper.  It was a very nice, extremely informative and well written
magazine that Thaddeus published for LX users for a lot of years
while all this stuff you see on Super was new and becoming
available in huge numbers every week.  People who wanted to know
what all the new goodies and new techniques were about read TPP.
Most of the slick stuff we do with the LX  now was introduced in
TPP.

One of the really nice things about the CD Infobase is that it
contains all the TPP issues, complete.  I bought nearly all of them
over the years, subscribing or at Barnes and Noble and I paid for
the CD 20 times over buying them.  I had no room for them but I
never stopped referring to them and now I have them on the CD.
Life is great!

Also I copied the CD version of the developer's manual to my PC and
use it there directly.  I found it's a lot easier to refer to that
way.  And I can cut and paste reference stuff for what I happen to
be working on and put it right on the LX.

And that's just part of what's on the CD.  There's a lot there.
Any LX user that doesn't have one is missing out.

And no, Hal doesn't have me on his payroll.  :)

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Date:         Thu, 21 Nov 2002 04:43:00 +0100
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Joe asked "Hi Nat! Is he on the list;-) How many Eric's do we have? (tongue
firmly in cheek)"
yes, me  :) .. and Alan wrote: "cell phone, digital camera,employee ID badge
and knife.  In my pockets I have (everyday, mind you) house keys, LED
flashlight, tiny Swiss Army knife, pen, coins, jeweler's loupe, comb,
Chapstick, folding money, keys to 2 cars, HP200LX, spare alklaline AA cells
wrapped in a rubber band, wallet, and on sunny days my sunglasses"

In addition I can think of a backup CF of LX data, a bunch of namecards to
give to people, a mini FM/AM radio, and protection against nasties ..such as
a face mask and condoms!
 Dr.Nat ;)

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David wrote:
""It appears as though the backup battery is somehow not connected to the
memory! Any ideas anyone? ""

>me thinks:
 try to change the main batteries with the adapter plugged in and see if it
does same damage to C
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Date:         Thu, 21 Nov 2002 04:44:39 +0100
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Werner wrote:
""does anybody know, how I can delete files older than a certain date in a
batch file? ""

i use XTGOLD ..
1. file specification (less than a certain date)
2. tag all
3. delete

3 steps, quite simple
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>Not I.  One 2x unit and two 1x units, all in good condition
 >and computing their little hearts {snip} except in Nathalie's
 >case where the FAT must've gone rancid). Longden (35 lbs to go!)

_interesting_, the 1x units seem tougher and leaner and therefore live
longer. as i mentioned earlier, i am writing this on a 1993 100LX which has
run that long without needing one single boot (except to install my standard
TSRs  - Andreas` QUICK.COM, Stefan`s LXPROMIN.COM for the ccMail key, and
NUMLOCK.COM)

it is a SG34..unit with everything intact, no hinge crack, hard spring in
latch, no pixel missing, all keys working .. i am starting to suspect it
stays in good shape because it appreaciates my handling, care and love  ;)
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Date:         Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:02:41 -0500
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Interesting, thanks, but it doesn't seem to do what I am looking for.  It
does seem powerful though.

Domingo


----- Original Message -----
From: "Striegel, Alan" <Striegel@PIOS.COM>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:44 PM
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> Maybe you should get a batch enhancement program like Strings.  Look for
it
> at ftp://ftp.zdnet.com/pcmag/1992/1222/strings.zip.
>
> This free utility from PC Magazine adds functions for handling text
strings,
> dates and many system and file parameters within the DOS batch
environment.
>
> Alan Striegel
>
> >From: Domingo [mailto:dvm123@GMX.CO.UK]
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:15 PM
> >...
> >Thanks for your kind offer.  Actually, I was hoping for a utility to use
> >with batch files for different operations, not just delete.  In one
> >directory I would want to delete files older than so much, but in another
I
> >would want to backup files more recent than so much, and in yet another I
> >would want to copy files more recent than so much.   I could definitely
use
> >such a thing on my notebook pc, so I could forgive the big size, if
> >reliable.  In other words, the utility would really need to only test the
> >lapse of time in one direction or the other, then pass the resulting
files
> >to DOS commands in a batch file program (I figure that would be much
easier
> >than doing it all itself).
> >...
>
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This seems to be the ticket, I'll test it in the next few days.

Thanks Jean-Pierre!

This probably should be on SUPER

Domingo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Pieter Beekhuis" <beekhuis@TISCALI.CH>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: Dos command to delete outdated files?


Perhaps the utility locate.com could be configured to do what you want.
I use is for all kind of file manipulations including deletion. It takes
lots of parameters. Once you have the right ones it runs perfectly. It's
a nice utility. Take a look at it (not just at the description but also
the documentation in the zip:
http://members.cox.net/dos/filefind.htm#locate

Best regards,
Jean-Pierre beekhuis


> -- Original-Nachricht --
> Date:         Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:14:36 -0500
> Reply-To:     Domingo <dvm123@GMX.CO.UK>
> From:         Domingo <dvm123@GMX.CO.UK>
> Subject:      Re: Dos command to delete outdated files?
> To:           HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dr. Werner Furlan" <furlan@GMX.NET>
> > I did not find a tool like this, so I sat down and did it myself.
> > My program is quite large because the only language I know is Clipper
> > and there is a lot of overhead to program some lines of code.
> > If you are interested, please let me know.
> > The usage is easy, but the program is dangerous. I recommend a backup
> > before you use it. I did not do much effort to check the parameters
> > and ask security questions.
> > Maybe combine it with the batch file we got here from John.
>
> Thanks for your kind offer.  Actually, I was hoping for a utility to use
> with batch files for different operations, not just delete.  In one
> directory I would want to delete files older than so much, but in another
> I
> would want to backup files more recent than so much, and in yet another
I
> would want to copy files more recent than so much.   I could definitely
use
> such a thing on my notebook pc, so I could forgive the big size, if
> reliable.  In other words, the utility would really need to only test
the
> lapse of time in one direction or the other, then pass the resulting files
> to DOS commands in a batch file program (I figure that would be much
easier
> than doing it all itself).
>
> Sorry for not clarifying myself sooner.
>
> Domigo
>
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My HP 200LX screen show flickering and the columns are shifted. My Palmtop
is 32 MGB double speeds.

How can I solve this problem?






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On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, I Al-Khars wrote:

> My HP 200LX screen show flickering and the columns are shifted. My Palmtop
> is 32 MGB double speeds.
>
> How can I solve this problem?

From what I know, you should install a driver to handle the double speed
crystal. Some timings have changed you have to let the HP200 know.

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Date:         Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:04:18 -0600
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Philip Pemberton <philpem@DSL.PIPEX.COM> wrote:
>>I think the CD was called the "Infobase" or something like that. If the CD
was $25 inc shipping, I'd buy it....<<

The *CD Infobase* is still available from Thaddeus Computing, Inc. : New
~$60; upgrade ~$36  For some more information, go to www.PalmtopPaper.com
and select the [Ultimate Store] button and then look under "Information
Products".

There are two CDs, both packed with info and software.  They include the
Developers Guide AND the software examples. They also contain all past
issues of The HP Palmtop Paper in hyperreader and HTML format, DOS and Lotus
User Guides, the book, _PC In Your Pocket_, all the software offered on the
The Palmtop Paper Disks plus lots of software that never made it onto SUPER
or onto the 60+ disks. The second CD contains most of the ebooks from the
Gutenburg site. The only stuff missing is post 2000 articles and software.

The CDs do *not* come in gold cases but they are a goldmine of information
and software for the Palmtop owner.

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Date:         Thu, 21 Nov 2002 05:41:22 -0600
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Philip Pemberton  discovered that the URL for the HP Developers Guide at
Thaddeus.com was incorrect.

Try this URL to connect to HP Developers' Guide
http://www.palmtopPaper.com/store/asp/prodtype.asp?prodtype=49

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Date:         Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:21:28 +0100
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Hi!

One thing nobody noticed yet:
there's LXREF at Super, which contains a lot of information (it says it was made from the
developer's guide). I don't have the developer's guide, but LXREF contains a lot of
information (and runs on palmtop too). So maybe you don't need the developer's guide at all.
And also there is NKIT (and PAL)...

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Date:         Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:27:56 +0100
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Has anyone seen this?


Sometimes if I have recharged the batteries (in the unit) all memory seems
to be full, I cannont switch between apps (even not between already running
apps). It then asks me to close an app, so I do so and it asks again, until
all is closed. (then it still keeps asking me to close the topmost
application but it will never switch to another program..)
Very strange.


Also I'm having troubles with sending sms messages while the unit is
connected to a wall outlet. It works fine when running on batteries.


For those who don't know, I've a 2mb ss 700lx with nokia 2110.



Greetz and thanks,


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Date:         Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:06:09 +0100
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Hello friends,

I just encountered some strange thing...

Usually when I have my LX with me and I take the car, I just have the
lx..it's all I usually need. I put it on the ground before the other seat.
So I did the same yesterday. Since I like to drive like in computer games :)
my LX floats around on the floor of the car. I always thought my LX was
tough enough to resist that, but this time I've gone to far...
I just turned it on and...missing lines, some lines way too black ... not
really a nice thing to discover. I shook it a little and the display
changed, clearly some kind of lose contact, which I'll try to fix asap.
But I also saw a few times, about 1 - 1.5 cm in the bottom of the screen a
LARGE DARKBLUE BAR .... first I thought, it might be something overpowering
the LCD but I looked close and I could not see the different pixels... and
it was really dark blue...? what the? does someone know what this
is...???(does the HP have a color display but we all did not know????
<grin>)


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Date:         Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:15:48 +0100
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Niels wrote:
> I put it on the ground before the other seat.

Why? The seat normally slopes enaugh to keep small things on it in
place. Otherwise driving like you I use the seatbelt round shopping
bags.
Though I have to admit that more than once I looked at the HP while
driving, put it opened onto the seat to have both hands and then had to
break hard resulting in an almighty crash against the footrest panel (no
carpets in my cars). So far the 700s have survived everything, but
picking them up I never expected them to have.

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Niels wrote:
> Sometimes if I have recharged the batteries (in the unit)
> all memory seems to be full,
>
> Also I'm having troubles with sending sms messages while
> the unit is connected to a wall outlet.

Funny. Have you tried another charger? They age and I have some that are
way off spec (11.8 V limited to 700 mA). The Nokia phone itself is not
so fussy and accepts them but the HP prefers things to be right. I had a
different set of problems with one 200 LX that went when I stopped using
the supply that came with it from the previous owner.

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[n]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Axel Berger" <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE>
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Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:15 PM
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> Niels wrote:
> > I put it on the ground before the other seat.
>
> Why? The seat normally slopes enaugh to keep small things on it in
> place.

If I break or make a few more corners it falls of the seat. So I espected
this to be a saver solution...

> Otherwise driving like you I use the seatbelt round shopping
> bags.
> Though I have to admit that more than once I looked at the HP while
> driving, put it opened onto the seat to have both hands and then had to
> break hard resulting in an almighty crash against the footrest panel (no
> carpets in my cars). So far the 700s have survived everything, but
> picking them up I never expected them to have.
>

You're lucky your lx's have survived :)
aah.. mine will soon be ok again (i hope...)


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Date:         Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:20:12 -0600
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Anyone knows of a conversion tool from POST/LX .i files (message files) to
.MBX files (mailboxes of Eudora) and back?

There is SUPER a MBX2GDB.

TIA

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Date:         Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:16:58 -0600
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Hi Phil,

<<1) That link is a dud (500 Server Error)>>

Oops, the order page must be dynamically generated. As Ed says,
http://www.palmtopPaper.com/store/asp/prodtype.asp?prodtype=3D49

<<2) $79 plus $12 shipping ($91) seems a little steep for a manual...
Just how big is the thing?>>

Just weighed it -- it's 3 lbs, 4 oz. plus 3 floppies. ($12 is for
shipping outside U.S.)

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<<BTW, wasn't the Developrs Guide on the
HP200lx CD that Thaddeus put out in
past years?  I forget what it was called
but it had lots of stuff for the the 200lx
on it.    I seem to recall it had the
Developers guide on it.>>

Yep -- I forgot the Developer's Guide was on it. The Palmtop Paper CD
Infobase is $59.97.
http://www.palmtoppaper.com/store/asp/prodtype.asp?prodtype=3D45.  Also,
includes 1500 pieces of 200LX software, 55 issues of the Palmtop Paper
indexed, Ed Keefe's book on the 200LX, the 200lx manual, and lots of
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<<I think the CD was called the "Infobase" or something like that. If
the CD was $25 inc shipping, I'd buy it. Hell, if it was $50 inc.
shipping, I'd buy it. But $59 plus $12 shipping is taking the P. Is the
CD shipped in a solid gold jewel case or something?>>

Phil, the product for many years retailed for $139. It is a terrific
product and it took an incredible effort to put together.=20

The way we do shipping to keep it simple  is $5 for one or more products
in the U.S. and $12 for 1 or more products outside the U.S. For us, we
do not make money on shipping. There are a zillion different fees for
different overseas countries, and weights vary throughout our product
line. =20

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Date:         Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:01:30 +0200
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Hello

02h45m ago I Al-Khars wrote:

> My HP 200LX screen show flickering and the columns are shifted. My Palmtop
> is 32 MGB double speeds.

yes, this sounds just like the usual effect when not having loaded the
double-speed driver on a double-speed machine.
You can find the driver in the SUPER archive:

http://www.palmtop.net/cgi-bin/search.pl?Query=t2tdrv

should bring up the download link for all the times2tech drivers
(speed driver, 32MB RAM upgrade driver and TREMM driver).

HTH
daniel


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Date:         Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:20:15 EST
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This is not specifically HPLX related, but I could use help with this when I
am working in DOS.  Are there any file conversion programs for "PRN" files,
that is files made when one prints to disk rather than to a printer.  I would
like to convert these to just plain TXT or ASCII files.  Thanks.

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Date:         Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:33:18 -0600
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Here are some suggestions to correct the Flickering screen problem;

I think, you might have;
- somehow deleted the drivers that makes the palmtop recognize the double
speed,
- deleted the config.sys,
- the line in the config.sys that makes the palmtop recognize the double
speed

Anyway, not a big problem. These files are SPD31.EXE and SPD31S.SYS. You
probably might be keeping them in "C:\" folder. Please check them. If you
have the files, check your CONFIG.SYS file. You have to see c:\spd31.exe
line (if the files are located in C:\). If you don't have that line, add it
to config.sys. Make sure that "the location of the files" and the "path
written in config.sys" matches. When you reboot the palmtop, you should have
the good old screen.

A. G. OZISIK



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Subject: Flickering screen


My HP 200LX screen show flickering and the columns are shifted. My Palmtop
is 32 MGB double speeds.

How can I solve this problem?






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Date:         Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:02:11 +0100
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Firstname Lastname wrote:
> Are there any file conversion programs for "PRN" files,
> that is files made when one prints to disk rather than
> to a printer.  I would like to convert these to just
> plain TXT or ASCII files.  Thanks.

Absolutely not. The accepted simile in audio groups for people asking
the same question about .MID out of .MP3 is "you can't make a functional
ox out of sausage".
.PRN is pure pixelmap, you might be able to convert that to some
standard graphics but not text. There is one exception though:
On my machines I have always installed the "generic text only" printer.
In that case all you need to do is rename the *.prn to *.txt. But
beware: Few programs nowadays support such a beast. The text is either
unspeakably ugly and corrupted or not there at all. But to my knowledge
that is the only option, so try it.

By the way: Either the parents Lastname had a very warped sense of
humour naming their daughter or you had better read up on netiquette.

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Date:         Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:20:12 +0100
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Barry wrote:

> ... but the way Dos displays character 9 (Tab) is that
> little circle.  So when you see that it's usually because
> the program displaying it is just letting Dos do the work.

That's not true. Some clarification: There are three levels
to display a character on the screen:

-DOS  (with use of INT21 functions)
-BIOS (with use of INT10 functions)
-DVMW (Direct Video Memory Write in text mode)

For most characters, there is no difference between these
three methods. For example writing the character 'A' to the
screen always results in the bitmap of the character 'A' being
written to the screen.

However some characters like TAB, BELL, BACKSPACE, CR and LF
behave different depending on the level used to display the
character.

The TAB character (9) is always replaced by 8 blancs if you
use DOS INT21 functions. You cannot define another number of
blancs, it's always 8.

But if BIOS INT10 functions are used, the TAB character is not
resolved into blancs, instead the little circle is displayed,
same as using DVMW.

The BELL character (7) is handled different. Both, DOS and BIOS
let ring the bell, but DVMW displays a little dot.

CR and LF are also treated by DOS and BIOS the same way, but
DVMW displays the note symbol and a black cirle instead.

Summary: If you use the TAB character in a plain ASCII text
(like an email) which you give away, you never know on which
level the reading program handles the screen output. If it
uses DOS, there will always be 8 blancs for the TAB. On the
BIOS level there will be a circle. Therefore I recommend to
not use TAB, BELL or BACKSPACE characters in emails.

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Date:         Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:13:54 +0000
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I Al-Khars wrote:
> My HP 200LX screen show flickering and the columns are shifted. My Palmtop
> is 32 MGB double speeds.

Do You have the double speed drivers installed?
Download T2TDRV.Zip from SUPER.

Cheers... Russ

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Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:20 PM
Subject: TAB character


Barry wrote:

>> ... but the way Dos displays character 9 (Tab) is that
>> little circle.  So when you see that it's usually because
>> the program displaying it is just letting Dos do the work.
>
> That's not true. Some clarification: There are three levels
> to display a character on the screen:

You're correct about the way Dos handles the tab.  A little brain
hiccup.  But the thrust of what I said is still true except that
it's when the BIOS is doing the work.

I didn't mention direct screen writes because I thought it would
confuse the issue for non-programmers and it wasn't needed to
explain that the circle "was" the tab.

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Sorry Stefan, I know mailing and posting is impolite.
It was - again - not intentional.

Stefan wrote:
> The TAB character (9) is always replaced by 8 blancs if you
> use DOS INT21 functions. You cannot define another number of
> blancs, it's always 8.

Are you sure? I don't really know about DOS, but all editors I ever used
do something like <insert spaces until the next column dividable by
eight> and *not* a fixed number.

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Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: TAB character


> Sorry Stefan, I know mailing and posting is impolite.
> It was - again - not intentional.
>
> Stefan wrote:
> > The TAB character (9) is always replaced by 8 blancs if you
> > use DOS INT21 functions. You cannot define another number of
> > blancs, it's always 8.
>
> Are you sure? I don't really know about DOS, but all editors I
ever used
> do something like <insert spaces until the next column dividable
by
> eight> and *not* a fixed number.

Dos itself replaces it with 8 characters.

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Date:         Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:38:06 +0100
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Hello all,


I have lttle hair left to pull, so I'll call on your expertise:

It looks like I can't get the zoom function working: when in
say, phone book, I press the zoom function key, the screen
becomes blank, with a wide cursor line blinking. Another press
still gives me the same blank screen, a further press brings me
back to normal - as expected...

I installed it on a single speed 200 lx.

The last lines of autoexec.bat  are:

moreexm
200

The moreexm 's directory is in the path statement,  TZ is set,
Andrew fonts and LXCIC are loaded, that'all there is.

In c:\_dat , I have the moreexm.ini file containing only the
line
c:\zoom\zoom.exm,6900,1,zoom

In App Manager, Name is zoom, path is c:\zoom\zoom.exm, key
assignment is Alt F2, no comments, no icon
Status is closed, so no " * "
What am I overlooking?  What is refresh.com for?

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<<Also, Hal Goldstein has been hanging out on 200lx groups for a long
time, since the early days of HPHAND, giving us good deals, free advice,
lots of dedication, helping us keep this system alive and and going out
of his way to be way past fair.  His prices are sometimes high but wait
till something goes wrong.  You'll be glad then that you dealt with
Thaddeus.>>


Thanks, Barry, I appreciate it a lot.=20

Hope this isn't too vain: If anyone is curious about the origins of our
company, John Mierau of compu2go.com just published and interview with
me at   http://www.compu2go.com/thaddeus.html. In it I discuss Pocket PC
magazine, my relationship with Microsoft, and, of course, the HP 200LX.

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> > Stefan wrote:
> > The TAB character (9) is always replaced by 8 blancs if you
> > use DOS INT21 functions. You cannot define another number of
> > blancs, it's always 8.

Axel Berger wrote:

> Are you sure? I don't really know about DOS, but all editors I ever =
used
> do something like <insert spaces until the next column dividable by
> eight> and *not* a fixed number.

You are right indeed. What I wanted to emphasize is, that the
full TAB under DOS is always 8 blancs and not configurable.

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Hal Goldstein wrote:
> <<I think the CD was called the "Infobase" or something like that. If
> the CD was $25 inc shipping, I'd buy it. Hell, if it was $50 inc.
> shipping, I'd buy it. But $59 plus $12 shipping is taking the P. Is
> the CD shipped in a solid gold jewel case or something?>>
> Phil, the product for many years retailed for $139. It is a terrific
> product and it took an incredible effort to put together.
I've just had a look at the list of stuff on it that you posted earlier.
How is the Developer's Guide distributed on the CD? Adobe PDF? If so, does
the PDF file have any of the Security options turned on, i.e. printing
disable, editing disable, etc.?
If the PDFs are fully "open" (I will probably need to print sections of the
DevGuide out as and when I need them), I'll see if I can beg a family member
to buy me a copy of the Infobase CD for Christmas :-)

> The way we do shipping to keep it simple  is $5 for one or more
> products in the U.S. and $12 for 1 or more products outside the U.S.
> For us, we do not make money on shipping. There are a zillion
> different fees for different overseas countries, and weights vary
> throughout our product line.
Fair enough.

Thanks.
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Philip Pemberton <philpem@DSL.PIPEX.COM> asked
>>How is the Developer's Guide distributed on the CD? <<

As a .ZIP file containing over 1000 HTML files along with text files for the
source code.

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Hi All,

Can someone help me figure out why Robonews or the older News2 do not =
work
on the same online run as PostLX on my HP200LX. I have never been able to
have my Newsgroup visited after the Mailboxes on the same run.

Robonews or News2 work fine if the mailboxes are disabled (--). For News2 =
I
got the following message after using CRTL having waited over a minute:
Failed to connect! TCP/IP - Problem. With News2 I tried to get information=

with the setting ServerLog=3D1 which resulted in a zero byte log file.
As I said, also Robonews does not connect during the "mailrun". What =
could I
have overlooked?

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Date:         Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:44:44 +1300
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01h57m ago Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:

> I have never been able to have my Newsgroup visited
> after the Mailboxes on the same run.

AFAIK <g> I have never heard of this problem before - and it
has me stumped!! It seems that, after the mail run, something
happens that makes the news server unreachable. I can't think
of a configuration setting that could be involved. I doubt
whether memory can be an issue, as this would probably trigger
different errors than making the news run consistently time
out, after mail. Can you try using a different ISP? - it
would be good to rule out any ISP dependency.

But, it could be something simple that I just cannot see.
Hopefully someone else has the answer!

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On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Hal Goldstein wrote:

> Hope this isn't too vain: If anyone is curious about the
> origins of our company, John Mierau of compu2go.com just
> published and interview with me at
> http://www.compu2go.com/thaddeus.html. In it I discuss Pocket
> PC magazine, my relationship with Microsoft, and, of course,
> the HP 200LX.

Not too vain at all.  A good read, thanks for posting the URL.

Are you still into TM?  :)

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Same here! I cannot imagine what stops it. I do not know of any parameter
that stops it. The only thing I thought of was the newsgroup not being
marked for a visit, but that would not be the case here. It was me who
encouraged JP to post here - maybe someone has some idea!

Avi


At 11/22/02-06:44 PM, Tony Hutchins <th@PARADISE.NET.NZ> wrote:
>01h57m ago Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:
>
> > I have never been able to have my Newsgroup visited
> > after the Mailboxes on the same run.
>
>AFAIK <g> I have never heard of this problem before - and it
>has me stumped!! It seems that, after the mail run, something
>happens that makes the news server unreachable. I can't think
>of a configuration setting that could be involved. I doubt
>whether memory can be an issue, as this would probably trigger
>different errors than making the news run consistently time
>out, after mail. Can you try using a different ISP? - it
>would be good to rule out any ISP dependency.
>
>But, it could be something simple that I just cannot see.
>Hopefully someone else has the answer!
>
>- Tony
>
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JP:

Something came to me: What happens at the end of the first run? What do you
see? What does the program display on the screen?

Secondly: When you run again, does it visit the REGULAR email boxes first,
THEN the newsgroups of does it immediately run the newsgroups?

Very puzzling...

Avi

At 11/22/02-04:20 PM, Jan Pieter Beekhuis <beekhuis@TISCALI.CH> wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>Can someone help me figure out why Robonews or the older News2 do not work
>on the same online run as PostLX on my HP200LX. I have never been able to
>have my Newsgroup visited after the Mailboxes on the same run.
>
>Robonews or News2 work fine if the mailboxes are disabled (--). For News2 I
>got the following message after using CRTL having waited over a minute:
>Failed to connect! TCP/IP - Problem. With News2 I tried to get information
>with the setting ServerLog=1 which resulted in a zero byte log file.
>As I said, also Robonews does not connect during the "mailrun". What could I
>have overlooked?
>
>Jean-Pierre
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Hello,
I have been a lurker here now for a while. I am really intrigued
with agenda and want to get started with it.  Thank you for the web
page with all the support and files!

My question is for the hplxer's in the crowd.  How do I set up Tremm
to be emm memory for agenda? I have gotten 300 Pages (?) on my c
drive. Now how do I get it to use for agenda? I have a 32 mg dbl
upgrade.

so to reiterate, I have the emm memory set up, I have a SC session set
up for agenda, but just not sure how to use/call tremm for agenda.
When I set up President's Planner, it states that my memory is ok, and
I want it to use the emm memory from tremm.

I am also asking my hp200lx friends in case they can help me also.

TIA!

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Hi,
    I've been trying to download some of Stefan Peichl's software - LXcic,
etc. Problem is, his webpages at http://peichl.hplx.net and
http://home.t-online.de/home/stefan.peichl/ are down. Anyone know what
happened to them?

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01h44m ago Marta Pierce wrote:

> so to reiterate, I have the emm memory set up, I have a SC
> session set up for agenda, but just not sure how to use/call
> tremm for agenda.  When I set up President's Planner, it
> states that my memory is ok, and I want it to use the emm
> memory from tremm.

Agenda detects the expanded memory automatically - have you
tried F10, select Utilities Customize, highlight Memory Usage
and press space-bar... you can change the maximum expanded
memory for data. See appendix E in the "User's Guide"

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03h21m ago Avi Meshar wrote:

> Same here! I cannot imagine what stops it. I do not know of any parameter
> that stops it. The only thing I thought of was the newsgroup not being
> marked for a visit, but that would not be the case here. It was me who
> encouraged JP to post here - maybe someone has some idea!

Yep, hopefully this has happened to someone else. Maybe JP
runs from Sysmanager, or from the commandline - there are so
many ways to run POST/LX and I only use one of them <g>

Your idea certainly would explain it if a different ISP needs
to be dialed for newsgroups and there is an ISP= setting in
the POST.CFG..

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Hi Jean-Pierre and Tony

07h55m ago Tony Hutchins wrote:

> But, it could be something simple that I just cannot see.
> Hopefully someone else has the answer!

My idea: Maybe WWW/LX hangs up after the mailboxes are visited, but
before the news boxes are visited? I don'T have the time right now to
figure out an exact mathod to make that sure, but look for the call of
dis.com (disconnect) in any batch file which is used by Post/LX, and
make sure Post/LX and WWW/LX options don't specify an automatic hangup...

Also check out my own WWW/LX configuration described on
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/wwwlx
This might give you some ideas. I'm not sure if this already includes
RoboNews config, as I have it now, the pages are not very recent.

daniel

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Hi Philip

44m ....>> in the future <<.... ago Philip Pemberton wrote:

> http://home.t-online.de/home/stefan.peichl/ are down. Anyone know what
> happened to them?

moved:

http://hplx.pgdn.de ("pagedown")

daniel

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>From: Hal Goldstein <Hal@THADDEUS.COM>
http://www.compu2go.com/thaddeus.html. In it I discuss Pocket PC
>magazine, my relationship with Microsoft, and, of course, the HP 200LX.

HG mentions:
In 1991 HP introduced the 95LX, a DOS PDA, and we produced The HP Palmtop=
=20
Paper for 9 years =96 and it is still quite active online.
It is?  I subscirbed several times after it stopped being printed on
paper.     Have seen nothing.    Is it really being still alive?

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> I've just had a look at the list of stuff on it that you posted
earlier.
> How is the Developer's Guide distributed on the CD? Adobe PDF? If
so, does
> the PDF file have any of the Security options turned on, i.e.
printing
> disable, editing disable, etc.?
> If the PDFs are fully "open" (I will probably need to print
sections of the
> DevGuide out as and when I need them), I'll see if I can beg a
family member
> to buy me a copy of the Infobase CD for Christmas :-)

The Developer's Guide is zipped on the CD in HTML form in the SDK
folder.  I've unzipped it on my desktop for quick reference.  I
click the start file and it takes me anywhere within the
developer's manual I want to go.  I've often copied selected parts
of it to the HP for reference, usually converted to text.

It also comes with a setup to install it on the HP to be used with
HV as an HTML manual.

It's been made very easy to use.  I have the printed book as well
but I find the HTML much easier.  I haven't used the book since I
got the CD.

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I had intended to submit the posting below to the list, but was trapped by
the strange habit of HPLX-L to insert the address of the original poster
rather than the address of the list into the To: field of a reply.
Fortunately,
Matthias Paul made me aware of my error so here goes:

> Being a subscriber of c't too, I'd like to add a few comments to
> Matthias' notes about the NiMH test:
>
> They didn't assign any ratings, so everybody has to find their own
> favorites.
> I noticed that the 1800 mAh batteries came much closer to their
> specified capacity than the 2000 mAh types. This makes it
> questionable whether the more expensive 2000 mAh types are
> worth the money. Example:
>
> GP 1800: measured capacity at 360 mA: 1746 mAh (97%) EUR 2.99
> GP 2000: measured capacity at 360 mA: 1836 mAh (92%) EUR 3.24
>
> At EUR 2.99, the GP 1800 would be my favorite. Energizer and
> Duracell are expensive but provide rather unimpressive results
> as well as Varta. Compared to other 2000 mAh batteries, the
> GP 2000 price is also very competitive.
>
> A figure I find very interesting is the self-discharge rate. The
> figures given in the test are in percentage of capacity within
> 28 days. The values range from 18.8% (Panasonic Pro+ 2000)
> to 37.3% (Unomat 2000).
>
> These figures show that the time you spend between recharges
> cannot be ignored. A power user who needs to recharge the
> HP 200 LX once or twice a week will get more battery hours
> than a casual user who only needs to recharge once a month.
>
> An interesting item of information given in the article is about
> self-discharge. They state that self-discharge is a chemical
> process and therefore, a rise in temperature of 10 degrees
> Celsius (roughly 20 degrees Fahrenheit) will double the speed
> of the chemical reaction (a well-known rule of chemistry).
> Therefore, storing charged batteries in the fridge will roughly
> decrease the self-discharge rate by a factor of almost four.
> Keeping your HP 200 LX in a hot car or glove compartment for
> a prolonged time can deplete the batteries rather quickly.

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Thanks Tony,

I will test an eventual ISP dependency but it seems not logical to me why
connecting to my ISP's News server is no problem when the Mailboxes are
disabled and Robonews or News2 is launched at the beginning.

Switching from the mail server to the news server seems of my ISP seems =
not
to work. I do not get any response (zero server log) in that case.

Robonews times out while showing the first screen and cannot connect. =
News2
shows me the first screen without the action line but does not time out. =
I
have to press the CTRL key. I have a hosts.dat file with often visited
sites. If I rename it, News2 gives out the error "could not resolve
address". There is thus no communication with a DNS server.

I am happy to hear, that nobody else had the same strange behaviour of
PostLX + Robonews or News2. It underlines that these programs are very
mature and strong. I will search further in the direction of my ISP.

There is still a question mark in connection with the proxy server =
setting:
My ISP requires the setting only for "non-local use". But if set or not =
set
I CAN connect to the news server if I want (disable mail).

Thanks to all who gave comments.

JP

> --- quoted text below received from Tony Hutchins ---
> 01h57m ago Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:
>
> > I have never been able to have my Newsgroup visited
> > after the Mailboxes on the same run.
>
> AFAIK <g> I have never heard of this problem before - and it
> has me stumped!! It seems that, after the mail run, something
> happens that makes the news server unreachable. I can't think
> of a configuration setting that could be involved. I doubt
> whether memory can be an issue, as this would probably trigger
> different errors than making the news run consistently time
> out, after mail. Can you try using a different ISP? - it
> would be good to rule out any ISP dependency.
>
> But, it could be something simple that I just cannot see.
> Hopefully someone else has the answer!
>
> - Tony
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Thanks Avi,

When I enable download of mail and news, the mailboxes are
visited/downloaded first and thereafter the Robonews download screen =
appears
but nothing gets downloaded. Time out is shown at the end. This repeats =
in
another run.

If the mailboxes are disabled and the newsgroup enabled, Robonews comes =
up
first (right away) and downloads. Same if I use the other setup with =
News2
which I keep on a flash. This repeats also if a do another run. (But =
usually
there is nothing new to download <gr>.

JP

> --- quoted text below received from Avi Meshar ---
> JP:
>
> Something came to me: What happens at the end of the first run? What do =
you
> see? What does the program display on the screen?
>
> Secondly: When you run again, does it visit the REGULAR email boxes =
first,
> THEN the newsgroups of does it immediately run the newsgroups?
>
> Very puzzling...
>
> Avi

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Hi Daniel,

I'll check your site. Thanks.
See my comments below.

JP

> --- quoted text below received from Daniel Hertrich ---
> Hi Jean-Pierre and Tony
>
> 07h55m ago Tony Hutchins wrote:
>
> > But, it could be something simple that I just cannot see.
> > Hopefully someone else has the answer!
>
> My idea: Maybe WWW/LX hangs up after the mailboxes are visited, but
> before the news boxes are visited?

WWWLX shows when it hangs up. This is not the case. Hanging up is clearly
shown after leaving the Newsgroup box (either by time out or CTRL keypress=
).
I don't use dis.com since I start PostLX offline.
My settings DO allow automatic hangup but that happens only after visiting=

the last marked box.

> I don'T have the time right now to
> figure out an exact mathod to make that sure, but look for the call of
> dis.com (disconnect) in any batch file which is used by Post/LX, and
> make sure Post/LX and WWW/LX options don't specify an automatic hangup..=
.
>
> Also check out my own WWW/LX configuration described on
> http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/wwwlx
> This might give you some ideas. I'm not sure if this already includes
> RoboNews config, as I have it now, the pages are not very recent.
>
> daniel
>
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I can't seem to find a link to it from SUPER.

Is it still around?

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JP:

At 11/23/02-03:05 PM, Jan Pieter Beekhuis <beekhuis@TISCALI.CH> wrote:
>When I enable download of mail and news, the mailboxes are
>visited/downloaded first and thereafter the Robonews download screen appears
>but nothing gets downloaded. Time out is shown at the end. This repeats in
>another run.
>
>If the mailboxes are disabled and the newsgroup enabled, Robonews comes up
>first (right away) and downloads. Same if I use the other setup with News2
>which I keep on a flash. This repeats also if a do another run. (But usually
>there is nothing new to download <gr>.

OK. This is maybe a long-long shot! But I think, as you concluded in your
other post that there is something broken in the transition. I do not think
the problem is in ROBONEWS or in NEWS2 because you hang in either of these.
So it is possible there is a corruption in WWW.EXE or in POST.EXE.

So I'd like to ask you to try this:

Download ftp://ftp.dasoft.com/pub/WWW/www3.zip   and
ftp://ftp.dasoft.com/pub/WWW/post3.zip

When you unpack, just get WWW.EXE and POST.EXE from these archives and
replace the previous programs. You can rename the old ones before the
replacement if you want, just in case...

Then try again. If you only replace these two programs, you will not need
to worry about anything in the CFG files etc.

Also, BY PRIVATE EMAIL, please send WWW.CFG and POST.CFG to
support@dasoft.com (I'll get it). I'd like to go over these to see if I can
spot anything problematic. (You should delete the password representations
in both of these files, so I won't be tempted to send email on your behalf
<VBG>...)

Let's see what happens - please keep us posted.

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At 11/23/02-03:05 PM, Jan Pieter Beekhuis <beekhuis@TISCALI.CH> wrote:
>Thanks Tony,
>
>I will test an eventual ISP dependency but it seems not logical to me why
>connecting to my ISP's News server is no problem when the Mailboxes are
>disabled and Robonews or News2 is launched at the beginning.

Agree - it makes no sense that the newsserver access requires a separate
call. On the other hand, not much in this problem as presented makes sense,
so maybe it was Tony's idea to try something - anything - to see if it
gives more information.

>I am happy to hear, that nobody else had the same strange behaviour of
>PostLX + Robonews or News2. It underlines that these programs are very
>mature and strong. I will search further in the direction of my ISP.

I think maybe hang on for awhile. Your other post gave some info - see the
reply there...

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I was wondering why all the Nahalie databases in the 11MB file on the "New Downloads" list are not seperte entries in the Database
section of SUPER. Since there is already a Database section all set up already.


I realize that this is probably some (okay, alot) of extra work, but it would be handy to just grab what is wanted, instead of
getting them all....especially for Web Palmtop (ftp) users, since 11MB would take a long time....

Even at 56Kbs, it is a pretty large file.

Regards,
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On 23 Nov 2002 at 18:38, Ulrich Boche wrote:

> > A figure I find very interesting is the self-discharge rate. The
> > figures given in the test are in percentage of capacity within
> > 28 days. The values range from 18.8% (Panasonic Pro+ 2000)
> > to 37.3% (Unomat 2000).
> >
> > These figures show that the time you spend between recharges
> > cannot be ignored. A power user who needs to recharge the
> > HP 200 LX once or twice a week will get more battery hours
> > than a casual user who only needs to recharge once a month.

I don't think that self-discharge rate is the limiting factor for the casual 200LX
user. The LX draws a small amount of power when it is "off" since it is actually
asleep, not off, and that current draw is far more important than the self-
discharge rate of the NiMH batteries - especially so for 2X and memory
upgrade machines.

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03h57m ago Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:
[...]
> I have a hosts.dat file with often visited sites. If
> I rename it, News2 gives out the error "could not resolve
> address". There is thus no communication with a DNS server.

My knowledge of DNS server characteristics is not technical,
but I have a few ISPs here, and some appear to have poor DNS
response. I see this when I visit multiple mailboxes. At first
I thought some POP servers were just down, but switching back
and forth between ISPs showed that it was ISP dependent.

I remember "hosts.dat". That was used by the original WWW.EXE.
I do have

Hosts=c:\_DAT\HOSTS

in my WWW.CFG, but I have no actual HOSTS.DAT file.
Maybe it has to be manually created and added to now.
The problem with it is if the numeric IP address of a host
changes. But I think it was originally there to circumvent
possible DNS problems.

None of this helps with what you have described. Unless the
first DNS access somehows gets priority, because you have just
dialed in, but after that the access is not so good.

However, if the IP address you have in hosts.dat for your news
server is correct then there should be no problem contacting
it after the mail run.

I am not sure how WWW.EXE uses the HOSTS.DAT - maybe it is
only looked at if the DNS does not respond? - if so then we
have the elements of a possible explanation ...

(i.e. your DNS is such that a hosts.dat is needed for accesses
subsequent to the first - so the later news run will work if
the IP address in hosts.dat is correct).

So, I recommend to double check the IP address of your news
server - you may have a *really* old one stored in hosts.dat
(from the days when I think they were stored automatically).
If my theory is correct (it's just a really hopeful guess)
then the reason a solo news run works is the DNS works well
initially and provides the live IP address, and hosts.dat is
not looked at.

If possible it's probably best not to have a hosts.dat.

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04h58m ago Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:

> Thanks Tony,
>
> I will test an eventual ISP dependency but it seems not logical to me why
> connecting to my ISP's News server is no problem when the Mailboxes are
> disabled and Robonews or News2 is launched at the beginning.

Hi JP, I got some IP addresses:

news.tiscali.ch    212.40.5.72
news.tiscalinet.ch 212.40.5.54
mail.tiscalinet.ch 212.40.5.65

Maybe you have something different to the first 2 in your
hosts.dat, for your news server?

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On Saturday, 23.11.2002 at 19:33 EST, Victor Roberts
<Robertsv@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
> On 23 Nov 2002 at 18:38, Ulrich Boche wrote:
>
> > > A figure I find very interesting is the self-discharge
> rate. The
> > > figures given in the test are in percentage of capacity
> within
> > > 28 days. The values range from 18.8% (Panasonic Pro+ 2000)
> > > to 37.3% (Unomat 2000).
> > >
> > > These figures show that the time you spend between
> recharges
> > > cannot be ignored. A power user who needs to recharge the
> > > HP 200 LX once or twice a week will get more battery hours
> > > than a casual user who only needs to recharge once a
> month.
>
> I don't think that self-discharge rate is the limiting factor
> for the casual 200LX
> user. The LX draws a small amount of power when it is "off"
> since it is actually
> asleep, not off, and that current draw is far more important
> than the self-
> discharge rate of the NiMH batteries - especially so for 2X
> and memory
> upgrade machines.
>
Victor, if you take the worst of the NiMH batteries, this one will
lose 37% of its original charge within one month just because
of self-discharge. I don't have any figures for the constant
current draw of the HP 200 LX, but even if it is considerably
higher than that, the self-discharge is rather high and it
should be taken into account.

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Anyone have experience with Jeteye PC?

With transfile set for 57,600 I can get  server/client communications
to work, file transfers do not work tough.=20

Any hints would be appreciated?

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Hi JAN PIETER,

I'm sorry that I accidentally renamed you to Jean-Pierre. I was very
tired when I wrote this...
Hope you find a solution soon.

daniel


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Hi Eric

07h23m ago Eric wrote:

> I was wondering why all the Nahalie databases in the 11MB file on the "New Downloads" list are not seperte entries in the Database
> section of SUPER. Since there is already a Database section all set up already.

I'll split it up into three smaller pieces soon. Haven't had the time
yet. If 11MB is too large for you, please wait until the next SUPER
update.


daniel [SUPER team]


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My suggestions:

Check all PORT=3D entries in your WWW.CFG
Disable SETCOM.BAT if you use it.
Disable PreOnline=3D in POST.CFG if you use it.

... see if your problem now happens with email too.

I had a similar problem which only occurred if SETCOM.BAT was
not involved and the original PORT=3D2 from WWW.CFG was used,
but my modem was at PORT=3D1.

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> Is it still around?

Since almost no-one seemed interrested in the idea I didn't do any
additional work on it.

regards,
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06m ago Oliver W. Leibenguth wrote:

> Since almost no-one seemed interrested in the idea I didn't do any
> additional work on it.

it's the usual problem with good ideas - if noone takes on leadership
of the project, nothing will happen.

So, if you, Oliver, or someone else would begin to coordinate
everything, motivate us users to submit parts offers and so on, I am
sure there could be a good swap shop!

Don't discuss, do!

That's my experience at least.

daniel

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just to recap .. how WAS it supposed to be done ? separate web
site ? daniel's website ? we all just send emails to daniel or
oliver .. and they do all the hard work .. maintaining the web
site section ?

..pk

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Hi all,

I am trying to test and use my 200LX for email (with Compuserve at this
moment). It seems that, access software needs "Primary and secondary IP
addresses" (DNS addresses) of servers that provides email access. I also
need a "script" to connect to the Internet.

Is anyone aware of these parameters for Compuserve?

BTW, I have already contacted Compuserve. Tech support has no idea what I am
talking about! Yes, they were probably the pioneers of the Internet, but now
it became almost impossible to talk to someone about Internet.

Thanks for your help.

A. G. OZISIK

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> just to recap .. how WAS it supposed to be done ? separate web
> site ?

Yes.

> daniel's website ?

No (at least, not yet)

> we all just send emails to daniel or
> oliver .. and they do all the hard work .. maintaining the web
> site section ?

Yes. But without "hard work" ;-)

regards,
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> it's the usual problem with good ideas - if noone takes on
> leadership of the project, nothing will happen.

I don't know what to lead. If no-one is interrested i'm not going to
spend much efforts on it.

> Don't discuss, do!

Already done: http://www.compuseum.de/swapshop.html

Like I said weeks ago: No fancy database-thingy, just plain html and a
form mailer...

regards,
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49m ago A. G. OZISIK wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am trying to test and use my 200LX for email (with
> Compuserve at this moment).

Which software are you using on the 200LX?

AFAIK there is no software available for the 200LX to enable
you to dial/login Compuserve 2000 (a.k.a. aol), but you can dial
Compuserve Classic.

> It seems that, access software
> needs "Primary and secondary IP addresses" (DNS addresses) of
> servers that provides email access. I also need a "script"
> to connect to the Internet.
>> Is anyone aware of these parameters for Compuserve?

DNS_IP=149.174.211.5
DNS2_IP=149.174.213.5

The script will depend on your software,
- and on the compuserve Classic dial-up point.
I repeat - you cannot use cs2000 as an ISP from your 200LX.

(You can however retrieve mail from cs.com using a palmtop,
provided you use a regular ISP).

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"A. G. OZISIK" wrote:
> Tech support has no idea what I am
> talking about! Yes, they were probably the pioneers

What you need is what is now called "compuserve classic" by them and I
have found their support to more or less still know what is what. It is
rather late here (and my brother was sixty yesterday, if you know what I
mean), but if there are no detailed answers to the rest of your queries
tomorrow I shall look them up - promise.

Axel

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Has anyone ever used LXTCP and HV.exe to surf the net with 200LX?

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If so, what card/driver do you use?

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Thanks Avi,

I did not have much time to test today and its late (here). But I had an
interesting idea: I used "Ping" to do some tests. When logged on through =
my
usual ISP (via Internet i.e WWW and HV running) I cannot Ping the ISP's =
news
server. I get the IP address, but then a message "Non-ICMP packet ignored"=
.
At the end I must stop Ping with a keypress and get "No reply before
keypress". However, when I start WWW and Ping together from the command =
line
I can Ping the News server. FYI I do not run any communications under =
System
Manager.

See further below.

> --- quoted text below received from  Avi Meshar ---
> JP:
>
> At 11/23/02-03:05 PM, Jan Pieter Beekhuis <beekhuis@TISCALI.CH> wrote:
> >When I enable download of mail and news, the mailboxes are
> >visited/downloaded first and thereafter the Robonews download screen =
appears
> >but nothing gets downloaded. Time out is shown at the end. This =
repeats in
> >another run.
> >
> >If the mailboxes are disabled and the newsgroup enabled, Robonews =
comes up
> >first (right away) and downloads. Same if I use the other setup with =
News2
> >which I keep on a flash. This repeats also if a do another run. (But =
usually
> >there is nothing new to download <gr>.
>
> OK. This is maybe a long-long shot! But I think, as you concluded in =
your
> other post that there is something broken in the transition. I do not =
think
> the problem is in ROBONEWS or in NEWS2 because you hang in either of =
these.
> So it is possible there is a corruption in WWW.EXE or in POST.EXE.
>
> So I'd like to ask you to try this:
>
> Download ftp://ftp.dasoft.com/pub/WWW/www3.zip   and
> ftp://ftp.dasoft.com/pub/WWW/post3.zip
>
> When you unpack, just get WWW.EXE and POST.EXE from these archives and
> replace the previous programs. You can rename the old ones before the
> replacement if you want, just in case...

I replaced both but could not use WWW 3.1c (some time ago I already =
reported
a connection problem with the latest version: [BAD FCS] [CHAP] Chap =
failure
wrong password)
I am using 3.1a again now. (By the way: was there a 3.1b release?)

> > Then try again. If you only replace these two programs, you will not
need
> to worry about anything in the CFG files etc.
>
> Also, BY PRIVATE EMAIL, please send WWW.CFG and POST.CFG to
> support@dasoft.com (I'll get it). I'd like to go over these to see if I =
can
> spot anything problematic. (You should delete the password representatio=
ns
> in both of these files, so I won't be tempted to send email on your =
behalf
> <VBG>...)

I don't think (anymore) that there is a CFG problem. But if nothing else =
can
be found I'll send you some homework :))

> > Let's see what happens - please keep us posted.
>
> Avi
>
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Oliver,

Nice Job on the page.  It looks very good.

I really think in order to get it moving it would need a few things (in order of importance):

1)  A Link to it from the HOME page of SUPER.  Everyone goes to SUPER, so that would be the main driver of hits.  Since Thaddeus
doesn't sell parts, I don't think it will detract from them and maybe throwing a Thaddeus Ad on it would be a fair trade-off.

2) The ability to breakdown listings to individual items for sale, instead of lumping  them into one listing.

3) Addtional columns for (100LX, 200LX, 95 LX) and WTB/WTS (Want to Buy/Sell).  What may drive the site more is people posting
what they need and what thye wish to pay (as well as vice versa, which is already there).

I agree that it is not worth alot of effort unless people use it, which is why item 1 is the most important.   Items 2 and 3 are
just helpful  (and hopefully easy) to make the site a little bit more flexable.

Regards,
Eric




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From: "Oliver W. Leibenguth" <Oliver@COMPUSEUM.DE>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to the Swap shop idea?


> it's the usual problem with good ideas - if noone takes on
> leadership of the project, nothing will happen.

I don't know what to lead. If no-one is interrested i'm not going to
spend much efforts on it.

> Don't discuss, do!

Already done: http://www.compuseum.de/swapshop.html

Like I said weeks ago: No fancy database-thingy, just plain html and a
form mailer...

regards,
Oliver

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>From: Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE>
>Subject: Re: Compuserve and 200LX
A warning for anyone using compuserve:
make sure the number you are calling is
a local number.

I had compuserve, I was calling a local number.
Compuserve (or Verizon) were forwarding the call
to another location which was long distance.
Niether would own up to doing it.
I cancelled compusere and got a DSL line
for less than what compuserve was costing.

I never found out who was doing it.
No matter.  I wasn't paying for it.



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Hi Daniel,

I did not find a solution: it seems to have come by itself. After posting =
to
Avi some minutes ago I downloaded 9 News messages during the same run.....
I'll phone my provider.

Jean-Pierre (=3D Jan Pieter in Dutch but the Swiss have difficulties with =
that
name)

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> Hi JAN PIETER,
>
> I'm sorry that I accidentally renamed you to Jean-Pierre. I was very
> tired when I wrote this...
> Hope you find a solution soon.
>
> daniel
>
> --
> http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/contact
> http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/forsale
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Thanks Stefan,

I checked all but there was nothing wrong. I don't use setcom.

For some strange reason News download came up a few minutes ago with the
unchanged configuration and after downloading mail... I'll now have to =
test
how often that repeats :))

By the way: LXCIC works fine. I use the power on switch in a batch file
called from  "PreOnline". The batch file also tests if its the modem card
that is inserted (with modem.com). Works handy.

JP

> --- quoted text below received from         Stefan ---
> My suggestions:
>
> Check all PORT=3D entries in your WWW.CFG
> Disable SETCOM.BAT if you use it.
> Disable PreOnline=3D in POST.CFG if you use it.
>
> ... see if your problem now happens with email too.
>
> I had a similar problem which only occurred if SETCOM.BAT was
> not involved and the original PORT=3D2 from WWW.CFG was used,
> but my modem was at PORT=3D1.
>
> Stefan
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Stefan,

Thanks for adding from your experience!

At 11/24/02-04:56 AM, Stefan <hplx@PGDN.DE> wrote:
>My suggestions:
>
>Check all PORT= entries in your WWW.CFG
>Disable SETCOM.BAT if you use it.
>Disable PreOnline= in POST.CFG if you use it.
>
>... see if your problem now happens with email too.
>
>I had a similar problem which only occurred if SETCOM.BAT was
>not involved and the original PORT=2 from WWW.CFG was used,
>but my modem was at PORT=1.
>
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Hello,

Years back I had 2 100LX's, both since are broken.

What I really loved was the HP Solver program.

As such, I am trying to find a copy, or the equivalent that I can run on my pc.
If my palmtops  still worked, I would try to copy the files off of them and see
if I could  run it on my pc.

Any suggestions, or if anyone knows where I can get the solver files would
be VERY much appreciated.

Sincerely,
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Anyone actually using the Jornada keyboard on their 200LX
please contact me off list - bob@palmtop.com. I am interested
in getting one of these keyboards if they're still available
anywhere.

Bob
 Bob Christopher . Littleton, Colorado USA . bob@palmtop.com
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04h50m ago Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:
[...]

> I replaced both but could not use WWW 3.1c (some time ago
> I already reported a connection problem with the latest
> version: [BAD FCS] [CHAP] Chap failure wrong password)
> I am using 3.1a again now.

Hi JP - I recommend to try 3.1c again. The [BAD FCS] etc
messages were introduced in 3.1c, so you can see why a login
can fail. In 3.1a a login can also fail, but no explanatory
messages are given - there you will maybe see a bunch of
arrows marching slowly across the screen.

So, don't be put off by the [BAS FCS] - that is usualy
harmless, and indicates POST/LX had to discard a packet.

Most ISPs do seem to have "authentication" problems from time
to time, and they usually persist for at least an hour.

Great to read in your other messages that the other problem
went away. This must show that POST/LX has an expert "learning"
algorithm ;-) Hopefully WWW 3.1c will do the same :)

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>Subject: Jornada Keyboard on 200LX
>   Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:48:01 -0700
>   From: Bob Christopher <bob@PALMTOP.COM>
>Anyone actually using the Jornada keyboard on their 200LX
>please contact me off list - bob@palmtop.com. I am interested
>in getting one of these keyboards if they're still available
>anywhere.

I'd be interested in keyboard options as well.

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Lance <lance@LEVY.NET> wrote >>if anyone knows where I can get the solver
files would be VERY much appreciated.<<

There are two sources: the HP Connectivity Pack (avail from
www.PalmtopPaper.com or from other sources on the net. This is a  100%
emulation of the HP Calc program on the desktop.) Another source for a
windows version of solver is available from www.Super.com  The HP PIMS for
windows file. The full URL may need to be copied and pasted on one line.
(http://www.palmtop.net/cgi-bin/count-redir.pl?dbname=hppim.zip&URL=http://w
ww.palmtop.net/anonftp/pub/hppim.zip)

The first option works accurately and costs $$. The second is free and is
not guaranteed to handle all .EQN files.

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Date:         Mon, 25 Nov 2002 00:50:29 -0500
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The Newton Keyboard (Model X0044) which shows up on ebay sometimes
works well with the ntkey2lx program available on the SUPER site
and a home made Mini-DIN-8 female to DB-9 Male adapter.
The wiring diagram for the adapter
is included in the documentation with ntkey2lx.

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 00:30:09 -0600, Andrew wrote:

>>Anyone actually using the Jornada keyboard on their 200LX
>>please contact me off list - bob@palmtop.com. I am interested
>>in getting one of these keyboards if they're still available
>>anywhere.

>I'd be interested in keyboard options as well.




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Date:         Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:18:53 +0100
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no, i did not try another charger for atm I don't have one.
If I remember well my granmda still has one of those big early nokias (a
1610 if i'm right) with the same kind of charger.
Next time I get there i'll see what it does.

[n]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Axel Berger" <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: Strange lockup problem


> Niels wrote:
> > Sometimes if I have recharged the batteries (in the unit)
> > all memory seems to be full,
> >
> > Also I'm having troubles with sending sms messages while
> > the unit is connected to a wall outlet.
>
> Funny. Have you tried another charger? They age and I have some that are
> way off spec (11.8 V limited to 700 mA). The Nokia phone itself is not
> so fussy and accepts them but the HP prefers things to be right. I had a
> different set of problems with one 200 LX that went when I stopped using
> the supply that came with it from the previous owner.
>
> Axel
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From:         Jan Pieter Beekhuis <beekhuis@TISCALI.CH>
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Thank you Tony,

Good to hear! But logging in seemed to be almost impossible, that's why
I went back to the older version. But I must admit that I often have simi=
lar
problems using webmail here at work... My provider Tiscali.ch has a very
complicated network since a few other ISP were bought. This might be the
reason for momentary congestions etc. They are constantly working at it.

Thanks also for looking up the IP addresses (in your other post). They co=
rrespond
with my hosts.dat file with one exception: news.tiscali.ch. I thing this
is no longer valid as I could not "Ping" it and only news.tiscalinet.ch
is mentioned on the web site.

One thing came to my mind when Newsgroups suddenly worked yesterday: The
only difference with my test sessions was that I sent out mail. I'll see
what happens in future. Could it eventually be a question of too high a
modem speed which makes me loose packets? I have a normal speed 200LX (ba=
ud
set at 19200) and often connect at a real speed around 36000. I use a PC
CARD 56K Fax modem (Rockwell type) and experimented a lot to get the most=

reliable connections. Currently I use a V90 setting and I'll try an other=

one (V34 I believe) if the "strange behaviour" comes back. My current ini=
t
string for this modem is AT&F0M0W2+MS=3D12,1,19200,38000

I do the further testing with WWWLX 3.1c and look at the messages.

JP

> -- Original-Nachricht --
> Date:         Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:39:41 +1300
> Reply-To:     Tony Hutchins <th@PARADISE.NET.NZ>
> From:         Tony Hutchins <th@PARADISE.NET.NZ>
> Subject:      Re: PostLX configuration
> To:           HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>
>
> 04h50m ago Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:
> [...]
>
> > I replaced both but could not use WWW 3.1c (some time ago
> > I already reported a connection problem with the latest
> > version: [BAD FCS] [CHAP] Chap failure wrong password)
> > I am using 3.1a again now.
>
> Hi JP - I recommend to try 3.1c again. The [BAD FCS] etc
> messages were introduced in 3.1c, so you can see why a login
> can fail. In 3.1a a login can also fail, but no explanatory
> messages are given - there you will maybe see a bunch of
> arrows marching slowly across the screen.
>
> So, don't be put off by the [BAS FCS] - that is usualy
> harmless, and indicates POST/LX had to discard a packet.
>
> Most ISPs do seem to have "authentication" problems from time
> to time, and they usually persist for at least an hour.
>
> Great to read in your other messages that the other problem
> went away. This must show that POST/LX has an expert "learning"
> algorithm ;-) Hopefully WWW 3.1c will do the same :)
>
> - Tony
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I have HP 200LX for sale with this specifications:

HP 200 LX
32 MGB
Double speed
Super Software Carousel + CD
Three Leather Bags (Different sizes)
Trans PC Card + Universal Parallel Port
HP 200LX User=92s Guide
HP Palmtop Software Kit

N.B. there is crack in the hinge (right side) and loose latch but repaire=
d=20
using Daniel-Hertrich recommendations on his web site.


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N Knight wrote:
> I had compuserve, I was calling a local number.
> Compuserve (or Verizon) were forwarding the call
> to another location which was long distance.

I don't get it. I use forwarding all the time. I.e. my daughters
girlfriensds can call her number here locally which is forwarded long
distance or mobile to her mother's place. The callers do not necessarily
notice the forwarding, but they don't pay for it, I do. The caller only
pays for what he himself has called.
With CompuServe I pay two bills: The call itself to my phone company,
which is independant from whether the recipient forwards it or not and
CompuServe's charge which may well include a (fixed, network not
distance dependant) network surcharge whereever they co-use other
networks, but that is openly listed in their access tables, where you
normally get the number from in the first place.
I do not want to overly defend Compuserve and have said a lot of bad
things about them in the past but just this once they seem to be open
and fair if possibly very expensive depending on your local
alternatives.
For me they are too expensive at home but cheap wherever the alternative
would be an international call to a German number. They used to have a
spaecial GSM number too, but that, sadly, has been cancelled so GSM will
have to be Arcor or T-Online.

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Date:         Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:45:11 +0100
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Hi all,

I tried to cennect a cellphone Siemens S45i using IR.EXE with the HP200LX.

When I sent a single Vcard from the S45i, and tried to receive it with
"ir oget c:\vc.txt", ir said "Talking with SIEMENS S45i" and=20
"IrDA connection established (9600 Baud)", but then "closing IrDA
connection"=20
and the cellphone said "connection aborted".

No file was written on the HP200LX.

If I remember right, I had the same problem with a cellphone Trium Geo@i
some months ago.

Can somebody help me?

TIA

Alexander


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02h02m ago Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:

> Thank you Tony,
No worries JP - I got the news.tiscali.ch IP from a ping using
WWW/LX.
[...]
> One thing came to my mind when Newsgroups suddenly worked
> yesterday: The only difference with my test sessions was
> that I sent out mail.

Interesting observation! Once or twice here I noticed that
things seemed to go better if I sent mail as well. I usually
visit 4-5 mailboxes.

> I'll see what happens in future.

Fingers crossed :)

> Could it eventually be a question of too high a modem speed
> which makes me loose packets?

Probably not - the 38400 connect speed seems fine to me - that
is negotiated during handshaking. Things that could affect
performance are line noise and "call waiting".

[...]
> My current init string for this modem is
> AT&F0M0W2+MS=12,1,19200,38000

The "+MS=.." part is too advanced for me<G>. But, if you
connect, that's all that matters.

> I do the further testing with WWWLX 3.1c and look at the
> messages.

The [BAD FCS] can often be tweaked away by changing the last
line of the [CHAP_Script] - here I have @=2 - but one [BAD
FCS] is not really a problem.

Thanks for reporting back. It was good to hear that
the mail+news worked at least once - a good omen for the future
:)

Good Luck!

BTW what I said earlier about HOSTS.DAT was totally wrong -
WWW/X *always* checks that first, and if it gets no response
it tries DNS1 & DNS2 (if necessary).

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Keefe" <emkeefe@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: WANT/TECH: HP Solver


> Another source for a
> windows version of solver is available from www.Super.com  The HP
PIMS for
> windows file. The full URL may need to be copied and pasted on
one line.
>
(http://www.palmtop.net/cgi-bin/count-redir.pl?dbname=hppim.zip&URL
=http://w
> ww.palmtop.net/anonftp/pub/hppim.zip)

I just downloaded HPPIM and tried it for the first time.  I'm
amazed I never tried this before.  It's great!  Thanks for the tip.

But where is the database?  I can get good use from the phonebook
but I use the database most of all.  If this doesn't include one is
there a free windows database program that uses LX databases?  I
can't spend any money right now.

Barry

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Axel Berger wrote:

> Are you sure? I don't really know about DOS, but all editors I ever used
> do something like <insert spaces until the next column dividable by
> eight> and *not* a fixed number.


   Here is a quote from the "Microsoft MS-DOS Programmer's
Reference Version 5".

"4.2.3 Screen Control"

...
"In ASCII mode," ...
"Tab characters (ASCII 09h) are expanded to space characters
based on eight-space tab settings."


   Create a file containing

{tab}Y
{space}{space}{space}X{tab}Y
{space}{space}{space}X{space}{space}{space}{space}Y

and use the TYPE command to dump it to the screen.  I
wrote a small program to do the same with a DOS interrupt,
and get the same results displayed (the Y's are aligned).

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Barry <barry@FBTC.NET> asked >>where is the database?  <<

I've been using GDBWINe (from SUPER), for the past couple of years. See
GDBWin (translated to English). It will work with any database or phonebook
from the LX. It won't let you create or modify a database: just view, add,
delete, edit the data in an already existing database. It doesn't do WDB or
ADB files.

OAN: Don't put a lot of demands on HPPIM. I had problems with the solver
part of HP Calc and lots of crashes when I was testing the program out
several years ago.   YMMV.
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More on alternative external 200LX keyboards.
Have a look at: http://www.funkygoods.com/fd/fd_c/fd_020.htm
This shows the PDA Keyboard Pro working on a 200LX.
The PDA Keyboard Pro, w/ std 9-pin serial connector, is
self-powered with what appears to be 3 AA batteries.
There are references in the webpage to the Newton KB/LX driver.

Then have a look at:
http://www.wince.ne.jp/snap/ceSnapView.asp?PID=3D244
On this webpage it's indicated that this KB is suitable
for Palm, WinCE, Pocket PC and other PDAs. This is the
same KB as above (shown connected to the 200LX) The Keyboard is
mfg by Tecparts in Japan, http://www.tecparts.ab.psiweb.com
though I could not get their website to come up.

Any of our HPLX friends in Japan care to follow up on this
and get the details, pricing, availability, etc.?

Bob
 Bob Christopher . Littleton, Colorado USA . bob@palmtop.com
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One potentially big problem is the lack of Function keys...It only has F1 to F6.

Although this certainly could be worked around via Macros,Key stuffers, etc...it would be a bit annoying.

Aren't there instuctions on the web for converting an ordinary ($10) keyboard for use with the 200LX?...I would think it would be
just a case of simple re-wiring and a driver.

If so, someone must have done it.

Eric

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Subject: Ext Keyboard (cont)


More on alternative external 200LX keyboards.
Have a look at: http://www.funkygoods.com/fd/fd_c/fd_020.htm
This shows the PDA Keyboard Pro working on a 200LX.
The PDA Keyboard Pro, w/ std 9-pin serial connector, is
self-powered with what appears to be 3 AA batteries.
There are references in the webpage to the Newton KB/LX driver.

Then have a look at:
http://www.wince.ne.jp/snap/ceSnapView.asp?PID=244
On this webpage it's indicated that this KB is suitable
for Palm, WinCE, Pocket PC and other PDAs. This is the
same KB as above (shown connected to the 200LX) The Keyboard is
mfg by Tecparts in Japan, http://www.tecparts.ab.psiweb.com
though I could not get their website to come up.

Any of our HPLX friends in Japan care to follow up on this
and get the details, pricing, availability, etc.?

Bob
 Bob Christopher . Littleton, Colorado USA . bob@palmtop.com
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> Barry <barry@FBTC.NET> asked >>where is the database?  <<
>
> I've been using GDBWINe (from SUPER), for the past couple of
years. See
> GDBWin (translated to English). It will work with any database or
phonebook
> from the LX. It won't let you create or modify a database: just
view, add,
> delete, edit the data in an already existing database. It doesn't
do WDB or
> ADB files.

Thanks.  Someone sent me a copy of GDBWin and it's just what I
need.

> OAN: Don't put a lot of demands on HPPIM. I had problems with the
solver
> part of HP Calc and lots of crashes when I was testing the
program out
> several years ago.   YMMV.

I use Emu48 on my desktop for a calculator so I'm covered there.
All I really want of HPPIM is to be able to read and update the
phone book.

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a keyboard is some sorta serial connection but really don't know how much it
is compatible with the rs232 standard...if it (can be made) compatible
easily it would be really simple since there are some peeps here who are
good at writing drivers ;) ok for them it would be tougher okay :D



Niels

[n]
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> One potentially big problem is the lack of Function keys...It only has F1
to F6.
>
> Although this certainly could be worked around via Macros,Key stuffers,
etc...it would be a bit annoying.
>
> Aren't there instuctions on the web for converting an ordinary ($10)
keyboard for use with the 200LX?...I would think it would be
> just a case of simple re-wiring and a driver.
>
> If so, someone must have done it.
>
> Eric
>

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One potential source of information for programming a serial driver would be
the Cuecat->serial driver (for Linux, in C) put on the Web a couple of years
ago. (The Cuecat was a bar code reader that plugged into the keyboard port
of a PC. It was intended as a marketing tool, and was given away free by
Radio Shack.) If it is not on the Web anymore, I have a copy somewhere that
I can send to any one interested in it.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:36 PM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: Re: Ext Keyboard (cont)


a keyboard is some sorta serial connection but really don't know how much it
is compatible with the rs232 standard...if it (can be made) compatible
easily it would be really simple since there are some peeps here who are
good at writing drivers ;) ok for them it would be tougher okay :D



Niels

[n]
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> One potentially big problem is the lack of Function keys...It only has F1
to F6.
>
> Although this certainly could be worked around via Macros,Key stuffers,
etc...it would be a bit annoying.
>
> Aren't there instuctions on the web for converting an ordinary ($10)
keyboard for use with the 200LX?...I would think it would be
> just a case of simple re-wiring and a driver.
>
> If so, someone must have done it.
>
> Eric
>

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>From: Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE>

>I don't get it. I use forwarding all the time.

I'm not sure who did what.  I do know I called a local number that
compuserve provided in Boston.  (A local number).   The next month
I got a phone bill of over $100.00.   Somehow the calls to Boston
were being forwarded to Lynn.  (A long distance call).
The number I was calling was a number provided by Compuserve in
their listing of numbers.

I never found out who did what.   I do know I wasn't going to
stand for the added phone bill.    So I dumped Compuserve.

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> Date:    Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:48:01 -0700
> From:    Bob Christopher <bob@PALMTOP.COM>
> Subject: Jornada Keyboard on 200LX
>
> Anyone actually using the Jornada keyboard on their 200LX
> please contact me off list - bob@palmtop.com. I am interested
> in getting one of these keyboards if they're still available
> anywhere.
>
> Bob
>  Bob Christopher . Littleton, Colorado USA . bob@palmtop.com
>    Palmtop Computers . Minox Cameras . All The Small Stuff
>
>
Take a look at Ibiz' KeySync Keyboard - it's straight serial connectivity,
for any PDA via the PDA's serial cable or cradle. I haven't tried it, but
it looks interesting. There's also (I saw somewhere but don't remember
where) an IR keyboard which uses the PDA's IR port (which would certainly
need the right driver to work with an LX).

Jon
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Here's a link to the keyboard Jon mentioned.  Looks like it's $69.

Also, looks just like the other one mentioned previously in that it ony has about 6 function keys (I think).

Here's the link
http://www.ibizcorp.com/pda_accessories/pda_keysync.html

Eric

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Take a look at Ibiz' KeySync Keyboard - it's straight serial connectivity,
for any PDA via the PDA's serial cable or cradle. I haven't tried it, but
it looks interesting. There's also (I saw somewhere but don't remember
where) an IR keyboard which uses the PDA's IR port (which would certainly
need the right driver to work with an LX).

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Hi

take a look at =
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/steve_lawther/keybinfo.htm

Martin

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From: Feldman, Robert [mailto:Robert_Feldman@JDEDWARDS.COM]
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:16 PM
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One potential source of information for programming a serial driver =
would be
the Cuecat->serial driver (for Linux, in C) put on the Web a couple of =
years
ago. (The Cuecat was a bar code reader that plugged into the keyboard =
port
of a PC. It was intended as a marketing tool, and was given away free by
Radio Shack.) If it is not on the Web anymore, I have a copy somewhere =
that
I can send to any one interested in it.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Niels [mailto:hp700lx@SOFTHOME.NET]
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:36 PM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: Re: Ext Keyboard (cont)


a keyboard is some sorta serial connection but really don't know how =
much it
is compatible with the rs232 standard...if it (can be made) compatible
easily it would be really simple since there are some peeps here who are
good at writing drivers ;) ok for them it would be tougher okay :D



Niels

[n]
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From: "Eric" <HPLX@BATTLEQUEST.COM>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Ext Keyboard (cont)


> One potentially big problem is the lack of Function keys...It only has =
F1
to F6.
>
> Although this certainly could be worked around via Macros,Key =
stuffers,
etc...it would be a bit annoying.
>
> Aren't there instuctions on the web for converting an ordinary ($10)
keyboard for use with the 200LX?...I would think it would be
> just a case of simple re-wiring and a driver.
>
> If so, someone must have done it.
>
> Eric
>

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And http://www.beyondlogic.org/keyboard/keybrd.htm  it looks good...



-----Original Message-----
From: Feldman, Robert [mailto:Robert_Feldman@JDEDWARDS.COM]
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:16 PM
To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
Subject: Re: Ext Keyboard (cont)


One potential source of information for programming a serial driver =
would be
the Cuecat->serial driver (for Linux, in C) put on the Web a couple of =
years
ago. (The Cuecat was a bar code reader that plugged into the keyboard =
port
of a PC. It was intended as a marketing tool, and was given away free by
Radio Shack.) If it is not on the Web anymore, I have a copy somewhere =
that
I can send to any one interested in it.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Niels [mailto:hp700lx@SOFTHOME.NET]
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:36 PM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: Re: Ext Keyboard (cont)


a keyboard is some sorta serial connection but really don't know how =
much it
is compatible with the rs232 standard...if it (can be made) compatible
easily it would be really simple since there are some peeps here who are
good at writing drivers ;) ok for them it would be tougher okay :D



Niels

[n]
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Ext Keyboard (cont)


> One potentially big problem is the lack of Function keys...It only has =
F1
to F6.
>
> Although this certainly could be worked around via Macros,Key =
stuffers,
etc...it would be a bit annoying.
>
> Aren't there instuctions on the web for converting an ordinary ($10)
keyboard for use with the 200LX?...I would think it would be
> just a case of simple re-wiring and a driver.
>
> If so, someone must have done it.
>
> Eric
>

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N Knight wrote:
> I'm not sure who did what.  I do know I called a local number that
> compuserve provided in Boston.  (A local number).   The next month
> I got a phone bill of over $100.00.

Still don't get it. You say phone bill, not CompuServe bill. I don't
really know anbout the US but a lawyer driven society like yours can't
be that different from Germany. Here if you dial local you are charged
local, full stop. If someone wants to divert, it is his choice and his
bill. If this happened to me here I'd take it up with my phone company
as it would be their fault.
CompuServe used to offer a lot and used to be very good, now they offer
next to nothing and are next to worthless. But to my knowledge and
experience they do not cheat.

Axel

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Re Nahalie's Databases

Eric wrote:
""I was wondering why all the Nahalie databases in the 11MB file on the "New
Downloads" list are not seperte entries in the Database {snip} I realize
that this is probably some (okay, alot) of extra work, but it would be handy
to just grab what is wanted ..  -end-

>me thinks:
 i sent Daniel the 'lot' in 3 different directories, which he will re-zip to
make the collection smaller.

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Etienne wrote:
c:\zoom\zoom.exm,6900,1,zoom

mine looks like..

c:\zoom.exm,7800,1,Zoom

try a new exm file of zoom in the root directory with the Alt+1 key, and
don't forget to put a hard return at the end of the list in moreexm.ini.

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At 11/25/02-05:35 PM, Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE> wrote:
>N Knight wrote:
> > I'm not sure who did what.  I do know I called a local number that
> > compuserve provided in Boston.  (A local number).   The next month
> > I got a phone bill of over $100.00.
>
>Still don't get it. You say phone bill, not CompuServe bill. I don't
>really know anbout the US but a lawyer driven society like yours can't
>be that different from Germany. Here if you dial local you are charged
>local, full stop. If someone wants to divert, it is his choice and his
>bill. If this happened to me here I'd take it up with my phone company
>as it would be their fault.
>CompuServe used to offer a lot and used to be very good, now they offer
>next to nothing and are next to worthless. But to my knowledge and
>experience they do not cheat.

In a society driven by economics (which lawyers help you many times to see
clearly), suing Compuserve and/or the phone companies that did the
diversion is not worth the trouble! It would cost you maybe $10,000 or more
to investigate and bring the suit, and assuming you'd win, you will win a
few dollars.

It is much more powerful economically and from the perspective of punishing
the thieves to use the huge power of the Internet and publicize the
practice and cancel the service. This hits the thieves right where it hurts
them: Right between their pockets <VBG>...

I suspect that this would be very true for Germany too!

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Date:         Wed, 27 Nov 2002 00:20:45 +1300
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Hi, thanks to Hal's pocketpcmag site I found working URLs for
'The Economist' and WSJ and these digs now work again. Also
Slashdot have a nice new 'Palm' site, which has been added to RWEB.O
-Tony
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              the 95LX
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Hi Everybody,

Some time ago, I put on the mailing an article about memory cards on the
95LX. Here I asked for users who have a 95LX and SD/MMC/SM/CF/MemoryStick
adapter to PCMCIA, to try out some combinations. In order to try this you
have to download two files from SUPER:

1. SUNDRV which contains a driver for a Sundisk SDPL5 ATA flash card,
   including tools for formatting and partitioning the card.
   The driver lets the Sundisk card work in memory mode.
   (95LX only supports memory mode because the slot is PCMCIA 1.0 and
   not 2.0) It also works with Sandisk CF in an appropriate adapter. It
   doesn't work with non-sandisk CF, because the driver makes a
   manufacturer check.

2. A modified SUNDRV driver which is hacked so that the manufacturer
   (Sundisk) check isn't made anymore.

Note that only 5V cards up to 32Mb, that can operate in PCMCIA "memory mode"
will work. PCMCIA cards can work in both ATA and memory mode.
Most PCMCIA adapters support ATA, maybe some of them also support memory
mode. We might give it a try...

It would be nice if some of you find other succesfull setups...







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<<Philip Pemberton <philpem@DSL.PIPEX.COM> asked
>>How is the Developer's Guide distributed on the CD? <<

As a .ZIP file containing over 1000 HTML files along with text files for
the source code.>>

It is also integrated into the search engine along with 9 years of HP
Palmtop Papers, the HP users guide, Lotus and DOS reference guides.
This is its most useful placement for fast reference.

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<<
> Hope this isn't too vain: If anyone is curious about the origins of=20
> our company, John Mierau of compu2go.com just published and interview=20
> with me at http://www.compu2go.com/thaddeus.html. In it I discuss=20
> Pocket PC magazine, my relationship with Microsoft, and, of course,
> the HP 200LX.

Not too vain at all.  A good read, thanks for posting the URL.

Are you still into TM?  :)>>

Yes, just came from the dome on campus where I meditated this AM with
about 800 others. www.tm.org, www.mum.edu, www.globalcountry.org.=20

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<<HG mentions:
In 1991 HP introduced the 95LX, a DOS PDA, and we produced The HP
Palmtop=20
Paper for 9 years - and it is still quite active online.
It is?  I subscirbed several times after it stopped being printed on
paper.     Have seen nothing.    Is it really being still alive?>>

It is a little alive -- about once a month, on a good month.  What I
meant when I wrote the above (I see it wasn't clear) was THIS email
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>a keyboard is some sorta serial connection but really
>don't know how
>much it is compatible with the rs232 standard...if it
>(can be made) compatible easily it would be really
>simple since there are some peeps here who are
>good at writing drivers ;) ok for them it would be
>tougher okay :D

This adapter is already invented, you can buy one at
The Palmtop paper site for 69$:

http://www.palmtoppaper.com/store/asp/prodtype.asp?prodtype=38
(You should copy all in a single line or search
www.palmtoppaper.com and click on external keyboard)

cheers,

Inigo

PS: If I am not mistaken they also had Newton
Keyboards which had been modified to be LX compatible.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Barry <barry@FBTC.NET>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: WANT/TECH: HP Solver


>  Someone sent me a copy of GDBWin and it's just what I need.

that 'someone' sent a copy to daniel too .. for putting on SUPER
:-)

..pk, calcutta, india

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It's there since oct 2000. Look for GDBWIN
(The "someone" was me: I happened to have it under my cursor
when I saw Barry's post; no intention to compete with Super :-)

Etienne
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Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 04:44 AM
Subject: GDBWin


| ----- Original Message -----
| From: Barry <barry@FBTC.NET>
| To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
| Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:01 PM
| Subject: Re: WANT/TECH: HP Solver
|
|
| >  Someone sent me a copy of GDBWin and it's just what I need.
|
| that 'someone' sent a copy to daniel too .. for putting on
SUPER
| :-)
|
| ..pk, calcutta, india
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Etienne Lemaire" <etienne.lemaire@PANDORA.BE>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: GDBWin


> It's there since oct 2000. Look for GDBWIN
> (The "someone" was me: I happened to have it under my cursor
> when I saw Barry's post; no intention to compete with Super :-)

I wasn't trying to avoid giving you credit.  Since it came in a
private email I wasn't sure you wanted it known that it was you.
But yeah, it was you.  :)

Thanks,
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| I wasn't trying to avoid giving you credit.  Since it came in
a
| private email I wasn't sure you wanted it known that it was
you.
| But yeah, it was you.  :)
|
| Thanks,
| Barry
|
Oh I really couldn't care less...No offence whatsoever. Just to
avoid someone sending things to Super who are there already.
 Enough bandwidth, I'd say - that's why it was a private mail to
start with

Cheers

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 5:28 PM
Subject: Wireless 802.11b 200LX


> Has anyone ever got the LX200 to work with a Wireless network 802.11b ?
<CLIP>

Eric,
You didn't get an answer (that I saw) to your question so I'll tell you what
I remember.  From past discussions I think the situation is that:
1 - Most of the wireless cards draw way too much power to be used with the
LX.  2 - There are some CF cards with low power needs that would work, but
there are no DOS drivers for those cards.
So, we don't have a working solution at this time.
I hope someone on the list can prove my memory wrong though.
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I have just loaded SSC on a Scandisk card.

When I reboot, it always tries to optimize the disk.

How do I stop this.

Thanks,

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yes, but I was thinking in a more 'hardware hacking' way, so you would carry
with a aditional battery pack you could plugin to the hp to power the
lancard if you plan on using it. I think the important part is not more that
a few resitors and diodes which could be stuffed in the lx somehow

however, for building and testing drivers this would be ideal for
testdriving.


Niels

[n]
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From: "Bob Penick" <bnj@myrealbox.com>
To: "Niels" <hp700lx@softhome.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Wireless 802.11b 200LX


> Niels,
> The device you mention is called "Doubleslot" and does allow additional
> power to the card.  It's downside is that it is cumbersome and seems
> fragile.  This is my perception only.  I have one and have never broken
it.
> It would not be very useful to me as a wireless accessory.  It feels most
> comfortable if you use it with the LX on a desk or table.
> A card goes into the LX slot and then the two additional slots are at a 90
> degree angle to the LX and point to away from the user.  The device is
rigid
> and developed on PC board.  That is why I say "fragile".  It will work for
> memory cards without any external power, but an AC adapter is used to
> provide additional power to the slots.
> Hope this helps even if we don't have drivers,
> bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Niels"
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 2:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Wireless 802.11b 200LX
>
>
> > okay, the cards do draw to much power, but wasn't there some add-on
which
> > you could plug into the wall outlet for extra power to your pcmcia
cards?
> If
> > such a thing can be made with batteries (and reasonably small...) it
would
> > help a lot.
> > Then there still is the driver problem, which is most important off
course
> > :(.
> >
> >
> > Niels
>
>

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Since D&A Software seem to be the king of the Web as far as the palmtop is concerned, they would probably have some idea if a
wireless card driver is even feasable for the 200LX.....Like , for example:

1) What kind of speed would you get anyway?

2) Also, is every driver specific to the card (any generic possibilities, like the old HAYES modems) ?

3) Is the 200LX to slow to handle encrypted wireless sites? Could Doublespeed handle it.

4) And of course, there is the whole issue of compatibility with WWW/LX and it's various clients (FTP, TELNET, etc).

Eric

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Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: Wireless 802.11b 200LX


yes, but I was thinking in a more 'hardware hacking' way, so you would carry
with a aditional battery pack you could plugin to the hp to power the
lancard if you plan on using it. I think the important part is not more that
a few resitors and diodes which could be stuffed in the lx somehow

however, for building and testing drivers this would be ideal for
testdriving.


Niels

[n]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Penick" <bnj@myrealbox.com>
To: "Niels" <hp700lx@softhome.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Wireless 802.11b 200LX


> Niels,
> The device you mention is called "Doubleslot" and does allow additional
> power to the card.  It's downside is that it is cumbersome and seems
> fragile.  This is my perception only.  I have one and have never broken
it.
> It would not be very useful to me as a wireless accessory.  It feels most
> comfortable if you use it with the LX on a desk or table.
> A card goes into the LX slot and then the two additional slots are at a 90
> degree angle to the LX and point to away from the user.  The device is
rigid
> and developed on PC board.  That is why I say "fragile".  It will work for
> memory cards without any external power, but an AC adapter is used to
> provide additional power to the slots.
> Hope this helps even if we don't have drivers,
> bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Niels"
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 2:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Wireless 802.11b 200LX
>
>
> > okay, the cards do draw to much power, but wasn't there some add-on
which
> > you could plug into the wall outlet for extra power to your pcmcia
cards?
> If
> > such a thing can be made with batteries (and reasonably small...) it
would
> > help a lot.
> > Then there still is the driver problem, which is most important off
course
> > :(.
> >
> >
> > Niels
>
>

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Hi Christian

03h26m ago Christian Felique wrote:

> Note that only 5V cards up to 32Mb, that can operate in PCMCIA "memory mode"
> will work. PCMCIA cards can work in both ATA and memory mode.
> Most PCMCIA adapters support ATA, maybe some of them also support memory
> mode. We might give it a try...

I have nothing to test that, unfortunately, but I would like to suggest
that maybe also larger cards could work, but probably would have
to be repartitioned (SDISK) and reformatted (SFORMAT) to 32MB size.

Does anyone know if that's true?

daniel



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Eric,

At 11/26/02-01:57 PM, Eric <HPLX@BATTLEQUEST.COM> wrote:
>Since D&A Software seem to be the king of the Web as far as the palmtop is
>concerned, they would probably have some idea if a
>wireless card driver is even feasable for the 200LX.....Like , for example:

I guess I can speak for D&A to some degree (since I own the business <g>...)

>1) What kind of speed would you get anyway?

I think it depends on the reception and the card more than the driver.

>2) Also, is every driver specific to the card (any generic possibilities,
>like the old HAYES modems) ?

AFAIK there are two manufacturers of the chips in the wireless devices.
Probably to that extent it may be possible to do two drivers, i.e. they are
generic in that sense. Clearly, OEMs will add more stuff to the cards and
that  might make generic drivers not work in some cases. Probably not, but
you never know.

>3) Is the 200LX to slow to handle encrypted wireless sites? Could
>Doublespeed handle it.

I think the encryption and decryption is done onboard (on the wireless
card) not in memory of the computer, so Palmtop speed would not be an issue.

>4) And of course, there is the whole issue of compatibility with WWW/LX
>and it's various clients (FTP, TELNET, etc).

No issue at all of compatibility. WWW.EXE would simply see TCP/IP traffic
coming at it. It is written to handle EXACTLY that.

What may become an issue is the speed and bandwidth that comes in on such
cards: I doubt that the Palmtop could handle the quantities of data
arriving on wireless connections which can reach T1 speeds. It would be
feeding data to the palmtop through a large pipe instead of a straw! <G>

As far as plans: D&A has no plans to develop hardware drivers. This project
seems to be primarily a hardware driver project.

(Please note: In the past we avoided modem-specific codes because we did
not want to go into the business of writing drivers for modems and testing
probably hundreds of modems! I see this project as a similar issue, albeit
smaller in scope. And frankly, we are just not in the hardware business.)

There are complex issues for whoever develops these drivers: Right now
there is mostly 802.11b. But 802.11a APs and cards are now out too, and
some manufacturers even have an add-on to 802.11b, making it "turbo" and
capable of 22MBPS traffic. And 802.11g is waiting in the background, too! ...

To add to it, ALL the cards I saw require more than 200mAh, which makes
them impossible to use on the palmtop - or at least requiring additional
hardware and complications.


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Date:         Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:57:20 -0700
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I have been using WWW/LX for about a year. Now I have a
situation where I need to manage multiple email accounts,
one on Palmtop.com that always works fine going through my
ISP, and now 4 other email accounts all on my ISP. I have
gone through the FAQ and done all the setups. The dial up
script is the same for all accounts and it works just fine.
When I try and get email from the new POP accounts I get
the normal screen messages for the dialup, the login,
the password, the authentication and finally "Retrieving
ID of message 1 of 31". This is where everything halts
and I wait until I get the Time Out error. Is anyone
running multiple email accounts on the LX via WWW/LX who
might have some ideas as to what is going on? Thanks.

Bob
 Bob Christopher . Littleton, Colorado USA . bob@palmtop.com
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BTW, I should have mentioned that I can access all the 4 new
email accounts just fine with Outlook, Eudora or any other
email program - all settings being equal to those I have setup
in Post/LX. Thanks.

Bob
 Bob Christopher . Littleton, Colorado USA . bob@palmtop.com
   Palmtop Computers . Minox Cameras . All The Small Stuff

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At 11/26/02-06:57 PM, Bob Christopher <bob@PALMTOP.COM> wrote:
>I have been using WWW/LX for about a year. Now I have a
>situation where I need to manage multiple email accounts,
>one on Palmtop.com that always works fine going through my
>ISP, and now 4 other email accounts all on my ISP. I have
>gone through the FAQ and done all the setups. The dial up
>script is the same for all accounts and it works just fine.

I am not sure you are saying it, but just in case: You can dial up just ONE
SIP and connect to the internet. This is a session. Suring the session,
POST/LX can access the mailbox that resides with the ISP you called. It can
also access the mailboxes that reside elsewhere, i.e. no need to make a
separate call/session.

>When I try and get email from the new POP accounts I get
>the normal screen messages for the dialup, the login,
>the password, the authentication and finally "Retrieving
>ID of message 1 of 31".

This means that you set up to NOT delete the email on the POP3 server and
there are currently 31 messages there. Post/LX attempts to identify which
email it has already downloaded before to the palmtop, and skip those.

It is possible that your ISP does not support a feature called UIDL, which
assigns a unique id to each email item. In this case Post/LX cannot find
out if the email has already been downloaded before or not.

>This is where everything halts and I wait until I get the Time Out error.
>Is anyone running multiple email accounts on the LX via WWW/LX who might
>have some ideas as to what is going on? Thanks.

I do not currently use Post/LX, but it is set up to fire up on a moment's
notice and collect email from all 12 of my email addresses, residing across
8 ISPs - I dial only ONCE to get all the emails. Some boxes I have set up
like you - to LEAVE emails on the server, and I get a similar screen to the
once you describe above, but my ISPs all support UIDL.

It is possible that the ISP in question uses some "advanced" POP3 (Read
that as a Microsoft-induced "improvement" :-( ... ) - is that the case maybe?

All the best!

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Hi Bob,

At 11/26/02-07:00 PM, Bob Christopher <bob@PALMTOP.COM> wrote:
>BTW, I should have mentioned that I can access all the 4 new
>email accounts just fine with Outlook, Eudora or any other
>email program - all settings being equal to those I have setup
>in Post/LX. Thanks.

The best I can offer in this case is this: If you set up Post/LX EXACTLY
like you set up Eudora then you should be able to access. I cannot make the
same statement about Outlook. I use Eudora EXTENSIVELY. many of Eudora
developers were (and maybe still are?) WWW/LX users, too!

Generally the comparisons with other packages are not useful because it is
nearly impossible to make setups EXACTLY the same the same.

My preference is to pursue what you DID setup for Post/LX, and not try to
chase the differences, a futile, frustrating, and wasteful process, as you
can imagine.

Perhaps you can send to me your WWW>CFG and POST.CFG by email to
support@dasoft.com? I'll look at it and see if I can identify any problems.

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Hi Etienne,

> It looks like I can't get the zoom function working: when in
> say, phone book, I press the zoom function key, the screen
> becomes blank, with a wide cursor line blinking. Another press
> still gives me the same blank screen, a further press brings me
> back to normal - as expected...
...
> Andrew fonts and LXCIC are loaded, that'all there is.

Try without Andrew loaded. Could it be that Andrew does only define the
characters at 80x25 level but does not define them for the other 2 zoom
modes (just a guess as I don't use Andrew).

 \/
 /ves

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Hi all,

I had asked recently about a command-line calculator, and couldn't
find a decent one, so I wrote my own. If anyone wants a very small,
decent calculator that works from the DOS prompt (either LX or PC),
feel free to download. It's called 'rpn', and here's what you see if
you type 'rpn /?':

---------------------
RPN calculator v1.00   Enter Q to quit   rpn /? for help
example usage:
 rpn 10 15+2 3+/  => computes (10+15) / (2+3)
use spaces to separate entry of numbers and spelled operators,
otherwise not needed.
commands undertood:
 + - * / ^ => standard arithmetic operators
 % => takes x% of y ( 100 15%- yields 85 )
 c[hs] => change sign of x (minus key is for subtraction only)
 x => swaps x and y registers
 r => rolls stack down t -> z -> y -> x -> t
 sin, cos, tan, atan => trig functions
 ln, exp, log => natural log, e^x, common log
 sqrt, inv, pi => square root, inverse (1/x), pi
 delta => computes delta percent from y to x
 ? => use inside a calculation to display a result in the middle
 stack => displays t, z, y, and x registers of stack
 deg, rad => set degrees or radians mode for trig functions
 fix[n] sci[n] eng[n] => fixed, sci, or eng; opt. n is decimal places
 q => quit
--------------------

If anyone is interested, it's available at my web page,
http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx/ .

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05h04m ago Bob Christopher wrote:
[...]
> finally "Retrieving
> ID of message 1 of 31". This is where everything halts
Bob, all I can think of is a disk space problem. If free space
gets low things start going slower and slower. Try chkdsk.
- Tony

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For me point 1 is easy to solve, PCMCIA port power can be increased,
but point 2 seems to me more serious.

Radek

>  -----Original Message-----
> From:         HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>   On Behalf Of
Bob Penick <bnj@MYREALBOX.COM>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 7:49 PM
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> Subject:      Re: Wireless 802.11b  200LX
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric"
> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 5:28 PM
> Subject: Wireless 802.11b 200LX
>
>
> > Has anyone ever got the LX200 to work with a Wireless network 802.11b ?
> <CLIP>
>
> Eric,
> You didn't get an answer (that I saw) to your question so I'll tell you
what
> I remember.  From past discussions I think the situation is that:
> 1 - Most of the wireless cards draw way too much power to be used with the
> LX.  2 - There are some CF cards with low power needs that would work, but
> there are no DOS drivers for those cards.
> So, we don't have a working solution at this time.
> I hope someone on the list can prove my memory wrong though.
> bob
>
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I have been thinking: Many PCMCIA/CF cards work with either 5V or 3.3V.
The 3.3V power drain is often a lot less (say 35ma against 60), or
100mw against 300.
So I assume, that if we put in a small converter ( say 3.3V zener +
resistor) we could bring down the drain from 60ma to 35ma. Even
considering we would burn a bit of power in the resistor/zener. (1.6V @
35ma, say 50mw, we would still win 150mw on writing. Or am I too
optimistic? Would we exchange 150 ma during r/w only against 50mw
always? If I use only one card, would putting in just a resistor to
reduce the writing power to 35ma be possible? Effectively this would
mean a 5V power on a 3.3V lead, which drops to 3.3V during write?

Comments invited.

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There is a 3.3V power source in the 200LX. It is strong enough to supply
60mA
for backlight, so why don't use this one? Look at the tantal capacitors on
the mainboard.
You should find 3.3V,  5V and 12V there. May be you can try to disconnect 5V
pin
and connect 3.3V to it.


Also, zener diode with resistor may eat power always. I don't know
how exactly PCMCIA card goes to not powered mode so always when you
have 5V on PCMCIA pin there will be a power consumption from resistor.

Radek



>  -----Original Message-----
> From:         HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>   On Behalf Of
Michel Bel <michel.bel@ZONNET.NL>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 8:42 AM
> To:   HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject:      Low power question - feeding PCMCIA on 3.3V
>
> I have been thinking: Many PCMCIA/CF cards work with either 5V or 3.3V.
> The 3.3V power drain is often a lot less (say 35ma against 60), or
> 100mw against 300.
> So I assume, that if we put in a small converter ( say 3.3V zener +
> resistor) we could bring down the drain from 60ma to 35ma. Even
> considering we would burn a bit of power in the resistor/zener. (1.6V @
> 35ma, say 50mw, we would still win 150mw on writing. Or am I too
> optimistic? Would we exchange 150 ma during r/w only against 50mw
> always? If I use only one card, would putting in just a resistor to
> reduce the writing power to 35ma be possible? Effectively this would
> mean a 5V power on a 3.3V lead, which drops to 3.3V during write?
>
> Comments invited.
>
> Michel
>
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Two questions:
1) It seems there is no way to make the HP show protected cells
differently from unprotected ones? Not essential, but would be nice.

2) I have Lotus Millenium edition for windows and Lotus 2.3 for DOS. The
latter is nicer in many ways, but 80x25 is not a lot. There is a "Compaq
132" driver, but that does not support my compaq 800x600 notebook. Is
there a way to make Lotus 2.3 use my screen better?

Danke
        Axel

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Hi List. I was wondering if anyone knows if it would be possible to use a DOS programme known as 'Locate II' (http://www.nsac.ns.ca/envsci/staff/vnams/locate.htm) on a HPLX. It requires VGA for plotting maps/bearings etc.

Thanks

Roo

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Well, our friend Curtis has done it again. The RPN program is a
very cool command line calculator. But as always, I was
wondering if a little tweak for a special purpose is possible?
d;-)

I do a little woodworking, measuring with a tape measure in
fractions of inches. Now we all learned our fractions in grade
school, so I know how to add and subtract fractions, but a
fraction calculator would save me some time in the shop. There
are special contractors calculators that do fractions, but if
RPN could do it, I would have yet another reason to use my lx.

For example, I need to add 3/8 and 9/16. Intuitively we know the
answer is 15/16. To do this in RPN enter this:

RPN 3 8/ 9 16/ + 16 *

The answer would be 15.

Is there any way I can enter larger numbers like 22 3/8 and 6
7/16 and have RPN give me the sum or difference in fraction
form? Just a thought.

Thanks Curtis for all you do.

Best Regards,
Tom Salwasser

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> If anyone is interested, it's available at my web page,
> http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx/ .
>

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Tom Salwasser wrote:
> Is there any way I can enter larger numbers like 22 3/8 and 6
> 7/16 and have RPN give me the sum or difference in fraction
> form? Just a thought.

I wonder why you bother when you have a perfectly good 123 at your
fingertips. Three colums for whole number, numerator and denominator and
a simple formula. If I were in the mood I could even give you a perfect
solution to have it format the result nicely and appropriately too.

Axel

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What drivers are needed?  Are they only needed for cards over 256 MB?

Where may they be obtained, please?

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Wow, good price. I think you just created a lot of bidding compettion for
yourself by posting on the list. I'm using a 220MB SP3B series card and it
works fine with no driver. I've heard that any card over 256MB will need a
driver. The driver probably has to sit on the C: drive so it would be good
to keep a small flash card with a backup of the C: drive around when using a
card of this size.


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Subject: SanDisk SDP3B Flash cards


> Does anyone have any experience using the SDP3B series of SanDisk PCMCIA
> flash cards in the 200LX? There are a number of them on eBay now, and a
> 350MB one just sold for $51.
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Axel, thanks for the tip, I had no idea that support for
fractions was built into 123. I fired up my lx to try it and
discovered dead batteries. I'll recover and try again. In the
mean time I tried it in Excel and it works beautifully.

I would still like to see RPN do fractions, it may be faster
than starting 123, but until then I have options.

I see the advantage of the metric system whenever I need to
compute fractions!

Vielen Dank,
Tom Salwasser

From Axel:
I wonder why you bother when you have a perfectly good 123 at
your
fingertips. Three colums for whole number, numerator and
denominator and
a simple formula. If I were in the mood I could even give you a
perfect
solution to have it format the result nicely and appropriately
too.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: RPN command-line calculator


> Is there any way I can enter larger numbers like 22 3/8 and 6
> 7/16 and have RPN give me the sum or difference in fraction
> form? Just a thought.

What about 22 3 * 8 /

(question mark was not left out for clarity.  I forgot)

3/8 is actually prefix so an rpn calculator would have to work in a
very different way to handle it in that form.

I suppose a / with no space after could indicate a fraction and
immediatly resolve it to a decimal, which you could follow with a
+.  But I think it would be easier as it is.

It just ocurred to me that there might be an 8ths operator so that
3 t would convert the 3 to .375 assuming t was the eighth's
operator.  That would work for carpentry.

Curtis, if you're reading this, I'm not suggesting any of this to
you.  I'm just speculating on how it could work from the user's
point of view.

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To all of you who celebrate Thanksgiving, I wish a happy holiday and lots
of happiness!

Avi Meshar

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Tony,

At 11/27/02-12:07 AM, Tony Hutchins <th@PARADISE.NET.NZ> wrote:
>--
>05h04m ago Bob Christopher wrote:
>[...]
> > finally "Retrieving
> > ID of message 1 of 31". This is where everything halts
>Bob, all I can think of is a disk space problem. If free space
>gets low things start going slower and slower. Try chkdsk.

That is a great idea! I wish I had thunk of it!  <VBG>

Avi

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Tony,
I run WWW/LX and Post/LX on both my 200LX and my OB-800.
The 200LX has 2.5mb free disk space, the OB-800 has 1.7GB
free space. I don't think that space is the problem but
it was good of you to point it out. Thanks.

Bob
 Bob Christopher . Littleton, Colorado USA . bob@palmtop.com
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I am trying to connect my 200 LX to my home network, and would appreciate
some pointers on how to accomplish this. My experience level with adding a
DOS computer to a network is fairly low, but I take direction well! I saw
some stuff on super, but I just wasn't sure if what I saw is what I need.

My goal is to connect the 200 to the network and then use my Windows 2000
desktop and the HP windows PIM's to use the files on the palmtop c: drive.

I have an Accton 2216 ethernet card, and an up and running home network.

Thanks

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Hello Axel and list,

Well, after running out for batteries and restoring from my pc
card (thank goodness for backups) I finally tried entering
fractions in 123. I'm having trouble getting 123 to accept my
fractions. I'm on my way to look for my old 123 reference to see
what I need to do. In the mean time, any advice would be
appreciated!

Regards,
Tom Salwasser

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I wonder why you bother when you have a perfectly good 123 at
your
fingertips. Three colums for whole number, numerator and
denominator and
a simple formula. If I were in the mood I could even give you a
perfect
solution to have it format the result nicely and appropriately
too.

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Entering "1/2+1/4" into a single cell gets you ".75".

Is that what you want?

- Longden

> Hello Axel and list,
>
> Well, after running out for batteries and restoring from my pc
> card (thank goodness for backups) I finally tried entering
> fractions in 123. I'm having trouble getting 123 to accept my
> fractions. I'm on my way to look for my old 123 reference to see
> what I need to do. In the mean time, any advice would be
> appreciated!
>
> Regards,
> Tom Salwasser

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I would guess he wants both the input and the output as fractions, which I
suspect 123 cannot handle.

Hope to be mistaken.

Domingo

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> Entering "1/2+1/4" into a single cell gets you ".75".
>
> Is that what you want?
>
> - Longden
>
> > Hello Axel and list,
> >
> > Well, after running out for batteries and restoring from my pc
> > card (thank goodness for backups) I finally tried entering
> > fractions in 123. I'm having trouble getting 123 to accept my
> > fractions. I'm on my way to look for my old 123 reference to see
> > what I need to do. In the mean time, any advice would be
> > appreciated!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tom Salwasser
>
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Longden wrote:
Entering "1/2+1/4" into a single cell gets you ".75".
Is that what you want?

Axel hinted that I may be able to use 123 as a construction
calculator, adding simple fractions quickly and easily. I'm not
so sure now it would work. Let's say I need to add 2 5/8 inches
to 12 15/16 inches. Of course I can calculate this but a
construction calculator let's me just enter the fractions for a
quick answer. I tried this in Excel and actually it does work,
so all is not lost.

What started me on this this is Curtis C's new RPN command-line
calculator. I asked him if he could make it accept fractions as
input and give fractions output.

Thanks for all your suggestions.

Regards,
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Same to you Avi! Is it about time we should think about the Twin
Cities HP user group?

Regards,
Tom

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> To all of you who celebrate Thanksgiving, I wish a happy
holiday and lots
> of happiness!
>
> Avi Meshar

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At 11/27/02-01:26 PM, TomSalwasser@COMPUSERVE.COM wrote:
>Longden wrote:
>Entering "1/2+1/4" into a single cell gets you ".75".
>Is that what you want?
>
>Axel hinted that I may be able to use 123 as a construction
>calculator, adding simple fractions quickly and easily. I'm not
>so sure now it would work. Let's say I need to add 2 5/8 inches
>to 12 15/16 inches. Of course I can calculate this but a
>construction calculator let's me just enter the fractions for a
>quick answer. I tried this in Excel and actually it does work,
>so all is not lost.

In Lotus I enter:

2+5/8+12+15/16 and I get 15.5625 which is the correct answer.

Now, how to make 0.5625 into some fraction that is helpful in construction
I do not know.

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Hi Folks,

 Does anyone have Weekabk for the 95LX kicking around?
I'd really appreciate a copy.
I preferred Multiday which showed a great week view, but I recently
discovered that it isn't Y2K compliant, which is a pity.
If you know of any other Week view program for the 95LX that you could
recommend that would be great.

   Thanks!

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On 27 Nov 2002, at 15:06, Avi Meshar wrote:

> At 11/27/02-01:26 PM, TomSalwasser@COMPUSERVE.COM wrote:
> >Longden wrote:
> >Entering "1/2+1/4" into a single cell gets you ".75".
> >Is that what you want?
> >
> >Axel hinted that I may be able to use 123 as a construction
> >calculator, adding simple fractions quickly and easily. I'm not
> >so sure now it would work. Let's say I need to add 2 5/8 inches
> >to 12 15/16 inches. Of course I can calculate this but a
> >construction calculator let's me just enter the fractions for a
> >quick answer. I tried this in Excel and actually it does work,
> >so all is not lost.
>
> In Lotus I enter:
>
> 2+5/8+12+15/16 and I get 15.5625 which is the correct answer.
>
> Now, how to make 0.5625 into some fraction that is helpful in
> construction I do not know.
>
> Avi

If that's what Tom wants, I have a 123 spreadsheet from someone
on this list (my apologies for forgetting the name again ... this
came up once before) which converts a decimal to a fraction using
some sort of iterative logic.

Entering 2+5/8+12+15/16 gets 15.5625 which the spreadsheet tells
me is 249/16 ... if that's really much better.

Hitting F2 and editing the formula to remove the "15" tells me that
the remaining .5625 is 9/16.

I don't think this is on SUPER, since the donator emailed it directly
to me.  It's about 3K and called FRAC.WK1, tho I don't recall if that
was the original name.

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Hello folks,

 I'm trying to set up my old 95LX for a friend.
My Cpack1.lib file from my 95LX Conn. Pack 3.5" floppy has gone bad.
Would anyone be able to send me a copy as an attachment? Maybe Cpack2.lib
too just in case.

 Thanks!

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Avi Meshar wrote:
> Now, how to make 0.5625 into some fraction that is helpful in construction
> I do not know.

From a programming point of view I would take the fractional
part of the result and search a lookup table.  You could even
print it out as it wouldn't be very large.  32 entries for
x/32nds.

Cheers... Russ

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Russ,

At 11/27/02-06:49 PM, Russel Brooks <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>Avi Meshar wrote:
> > Now, how to make 0.5625 into some fraction that is helpful in construction
> > I do not know.
>
> >From a programming point of view I would take the fractional
>part of the result and search a lookup table.  You could even
>print it out as it wouldn't be very large.  32 entries for
>x/32nds.

Yes, quite so. This assumes I want to do that programming in the Lotus
spreadsheet, which I do not really <BG>...

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Sorry for lateness. I just found a bunch of HPLX List messages presumed
lost for several months...

At 9/5/02-07:41 PM, Domingo <dvm123@GMX.CO.UK> wrote:
>About 2 years ago, Avi claimed that his did not need the driver.  He share
>the price at the time, butt not the brand.  Because of the price, I did not
>pursue it further at the time.

The brand was MemoryTechnologies out of Denmark, and I think I posted it at
some point after the initial question.

I am still using the drive and it works just great also on my notebook
(Win95) and Desktop (Win98 and WinME).

Yves wrote:
>I don't believe that other brands can do without the ACE driver.

My card does not use any drivers at all - it is 512MB.

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07h52m ago Avi Meshar wrote:

> In Lotus I enter:
>
> 2+5/8+12+15/16 and I get 15.5625 which is the correct answer.
>
> Now, how to make 0.5625 into some fraction that is helpful in construction
> I do not know.

Well, some time ago someone (can'T remember who, sorry) sent me an 123
sheet which converts decimals into several fractions with increasing
accuracy. Maybe this can be used as a starting point.

Another way could be to write an 123 sheet which takes the two values
of a fraction in two different cells, then it may be easier to process
the fraction "manually", just as Curtis described he does with his RPN
calculator.

daniel

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Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 05:30 PM
Subject: 200 LX and networking


| I am trying to connect my 200 LX to my home network, and would
appreciate
| some pointers on how to accomplish this.

See: http://rwhitby.hplx.net/lxmnc/index.html  and download
LXMNC, read the instructions.

If I remember correctly, (2-3 years ago) I had success at one
time with IPX, on a Win 95 system.
Later (Win 98se), only netBeui seemed to work. There were
several posts on this list showing the same experience.

Anyway, connect both machines, follow Rod Whitby's instructions
,terminate SysMan,  run net-up bat, enter user name and password
(you can leave it all blank and just press Enter, depending your
environment) and after the step
"Type net /help", a.o. net share /?

Make some part of your HP shared: e.g.

net share xxx=c:\_dat

You can now go to your Windows PC, right click on the network
icon,  "Find Computer", "Hp200lx" (no quotes), and you should be
all set.
Map network drives etc.
When you are finished, don't forget the net-down command on your
200lx.

That's it, sounds nice, but your experience may vary. Although
at present, I connect allright from a Software Carousel Session,
I had different experiences 2-3 years ago, same OS, different
PC.(Below, you will find the notes I made at the time).
I have found that memory card swapping is more comfortable and
reliable, but be your own judge.
But I still take my mail to Goin' POstal over my home network.

HTH, and enjoy

Etienne




.Hint: make sure there is a shared part on the HP!

1. Without Software Carousel

From System Manager:
In Filer, go to net-up, press enter. There should be no errors,
and
messages end with "Press any key to exit from Dos". Don't press!
On the Pc, go to find computer on the network.
HP200lx should be found, and sometimes, the shared drive is
fully accessible.
Closing the session requires a soft boot.

From DOS:
terminate all, run net-up. Find HP200lx on the PC and access.
This is a reliable method.
To quit, run net-down.

2.With Software Carousel

From System Manager:
In Filer, go to net-up, press enter. There should be no errors,
and
messages end with "Press any key to exit from Dos"
At this stage, on the Pc, go to find computer on the network.
HP200lx should be found, and sometimes, the shared drive is
fully accessible.
Closing the session requires a soft boot.

From DOS
net-up always gives an error message:

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At 18:48 24/11/2002 -0700, Bob Christopher wrote:
>Anyone actually using the Jornada keyboard on their 200LX
>please contact me off list - bob@palmtop.com. I am interested
>in getting one of these keyboards if they're still available
>anywhere.

Bob:
I have got both, 200LX and Jornada HP.
I think that 200LX has the best keyboard I've ever tried.

Jaime
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> Now, how to make 0.5625 into some fraction that is helpful in construction
> I do not know.

Nothing easier:

you have already separated out the integer @int(x) and the decimal
fraction y=x-@int(x). Now assume that in construction denominators are
powers of two and smaller than 128. So a first step is to give the
numerator as n=128*y. You already have your result as 15 72/128, nearly
there.
Now you check for smaller denominators d:
if n/2-int(n/2)<.0001 (cater for small rounding errors!) then let d=64,
n=n/2

So using up some space outside your input and result area you can make
123 do it quite nicely.
Things get nasty if you accept uncommon denominators and want results
like 32/33. Luckily Tom asked for construction and woodwork.

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Tom Salwasser wrote:
> Axel, thanks for the tip, I had no idea that support for
> fractions was built into 123.

You misunderstood - it isn't as such. But doing sums to give decimal
results is trivial. To convert to fractions is easy too if you accept
them in terms of the largest used denominator, in your case probably
32nds. Of course a result like 4 16/32 ought to be <whatever "gek=FCrzt"
is in English>. A hidden array of cells with good use of @if, @min, and
@max can cater for that. The task is simpler than it might be because in
your case all the commonly used fractions are powers of two, i.e. no
need to search for 3/5. (I may be wrong, Germany has been decimal since
Napoleon.)

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Axel, you're flattering me to think I'm such a good woodworker
that my tolerances are less than 1/32 inch! Actually, I can't
even measure smaller than 1/16 unless I get new glasses. d;-)

I'm digging for an old 123 reference I've got around here
somewhere so that I can create the macro. If this is something
you can whip up with one hand tied behind your back, please feel
free to do so and send it to me. Thanks for your help.

Until I get the macro working I can just enter all my numbers as
shown in previous emails. I will end up with a result such as
15.375. I then will consult my 32 element random access table
(cheat sheet taped to the back of the lx :) and look up .375,
which will tell me it's 3/8. This will work fine for now, and
works well on my old 95lx. By the way, you're correct, all
fractions are powers of 2: 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16 1/32.

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread, what a great
group.

Best Regards,
Tom Salwasser

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>
> Nothing easier:
>

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>See: http://rwhitby.hplx.net/lxmnc/index.html  and download
LXMNC, read the instructions.<

That site, and your help are very instructive. I have everything set up on
the palmtop, but don't see the network yet with either IPX or netbeui. I'll
keep working on it.

Your point about card swapping makes sense - keeping the card slot open
basically eliminates using a memory card for a lot of the storage of files
if you want to access them from the network.

I am starting to think that this is going to be more of an instructional
exercise in networking than a practical solution.

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> What started me on this this is Curtis C's new RPN command-line
> calculator. I asked him if he could make it accept fractions as
> input and give fractions output.

Well, I give up.  I've just been Googling for construction
calculators in 123 or excel.  I know I've seen them on the web a
million times but today they're all in hiding.  Or home for
Thanksgiving.

I even tried searching on carpenter+wk1 and you'd be amazed at the
number of people named Carpenter who are distributing Lotus
spreadsheets on the web.

I did find a Feng Shui calculator in 123.  I guess that won't help
though.

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> If that's what Tom wants, I have a 123 spreadsheet from someone
> on this list (my apologies for forgetting the name again ... this
> came up once before) which converts a decimal to a fraction using
> some sort of iterative logic.
>
> Entering 2+5/8+12+15/16 gets 15.5625 which the spreadsheet tells
> me is 249/16 ... if that's really much better.
>
> Hitting F2 and editing the formula to remove the "15" tells me
that
> the remaining .5625 is 9/16.

I'd like to see that to see how it's done.  Macros?

In any case it might not be hard to extend that to handle that
final reduction to a proper number as well.

If you could send me a copy, or if you're already busy sending
copies, ask someone you send it to to forward it to me, I'd
appreciate it.  For which I'm sure you'll be grateful. :)

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1 day 20h43m ago Bob Penick wrote:

> You didn't get an answer (that I saw) to your question so I'll tell you what
> I remember.  From past discussions I think the situation is that:
> 1 - Most of the wireless cards draw way too much power to be used with the
> LX.  2 - There are some CF cards with low power needs that would work, but
> there are no DOS drivers for those cards.
> So, we don't have a working solution at this time.

There are DOS drivers for Orinoco Wavelan cards, but these drivers seem
to be incompatible with the LX's card socket services. At least I
coulnd not get them to load. In addition there would be the power
problem of course. Also many newer wLAN cards are 3.3V cards, but the
palmtop's PCMCIA port only provides 5V and 12V. Even rewiring the 5V,
line to a 3.3V supply would not help here, because the 3.3V cards have
a mechanical key to prevent them to be inserted into a 5V slot, i.e.
they don't fit mechanically into the LX's slot. That can easily be
circumvented using a rotary grinder, though. ;-)

Would be great if someone would get wlan to work on the LX! But it
probably requires quite some time and skills.

daniel

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> Hello folks,
>
>  I'm trying to set up my old 95LX for a friend.
> My Cpack1.lib file from my 95LX Conn. Pack 3.5" floppy has gone
bad.
> Would anyone be able to send me a copy as an attachment? Maybe
Cpack2.lib
> too just in case.

I do have the 95lx cpack and if I can find it I'll be happy to send
you a copy.

But, I have no idea where it might be located so if you don't get
one somewhere else fairly quickly, let me know by private email and
I'll locate it and send it to you in a reply.

Barry

barryATfbtcDOTnet

or barryemATyahooDOTcom and let me know here that you sent it
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Success - sort of...

I can see my 200 from my desk top. but I can't access the files yet. When I
do "net view", I get "error 6118: The list of servers for this workgroup is
not currently available"


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> Russ,
>
> At 11/27/02-06:49 PM, Russel Brooks <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> >Avi Meshar wrote:
> > > Now, how to make 0.5625 into some fraction that is helpful in
construction
> > > I do not know.
> >
> > >From a programming point of view I would take the fractional
> >part of the result and search a lookup table.  You could even
> >print it out as it wouldn't be very large.  32 entries for
> >x/32nds.
>
> Yes, quite so. This assumes I want to do that programming in the
Lotus
> spreadsheet, which I do not really <BG>...

Thats not really programming.  Using the @lookup() function it's
just part of a formula.  It's really a good idea.  A little
rounding and scaling gives you an index.  It should be doable in a
single formula, or two for readability, and the table.

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> Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread, what a great
> group.

It's great to be able to impress people by just having fun.  :)

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I think what you are looking for is available at:

         http://junior.apk.net/~jbarta/divcalc/

Lance


At 11:17 AM 11/28/2002 -0600, you wrote:
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>
>
> > If that's what Tom wants, I have a 123 spreadsheet from someone
> > on this list (my apologies for forgetting the name again ... this
> > came up once before) which converts a decimal to a fraction using
> > some sort of iterative logic.
> >
> > Entering 2+5/8+12+15/16 gets 15.5625 which the spreadsheet tells
> > me is 249/16 ... if that's really much better.
> >
> > Hitting F2 and editing the formula to remove the "15" tells me
>that
> > the remaining .5625 is 9/16.
>
>I'd like to see that to see how it's done.  Macros?
>
>In any case it might not be hard to extend that to handle that
>final reduction to a proper number as well.
>
>If you could send me a copy, or if you're already busy sending
>copies, ask someone you send it to to forward it to me, I'd
>appreciate it.  For which I'm sure you'll be grateful. :)
>
>Barry
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Barry, spare your efforts. I'll send them 5 minutes from now.

Etienne


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| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Eric Greenspoon" <ericgree@ENOREO.ON.CA>
| To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
| Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 6:13 PM
| Subject: Cpack1.lib from 95LX Conn. Pack
|
|
| > Hello folks,
| >
| >  I'm trying to set up my old 95LX for a friend.
| > My Cpack1.lib file from my 95LX Conn. Pack 3.5" floppy has
gone
| bad.
| > Would anyone be able to send me a copy as an attachment?
Maybe
| Cpack2.lib
| > too just in case.
|
| I do have the 95lx cpack and if I can find it I'll be happy to
send
| you a copy.
|
| But, I have no idea where it might be located so if you don't
get
| one somewhere else fairly quickly, let me know by private
email and
| I'll locate it and send it to you in a reply.
|
| Barry
|
| barryATfbtcDOTnet
|
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Hi Barry

05h01m ago Barry wrote:
> Thats not really programming.  Using the @lookup() function
> it's just part of a formula.  It's really a good idea.
> A little rounding and scaling gives you an index.  It should
> be doable in a single formula, or two for readability, and
> the table.

OK I hammered out a formula for the best divisor (in d1
below), and the rest is easy :)

Basically a number in column A is exploded into 3 bits in
columns b-c-d

In 123

type a length into A1 - eg 15+13/32
(it displays in decimal)

then: -

b1 shows 15
c1       13
d1       32
e1       the decimal fraction (b1.e1 is just a1)

where:-
b1=@int(a1)
e1=+a1-b1
c1=+e1*d1
and
d1=
  2*@IF(@MOD(E1*2 ,2)=0,0,1)
+ 2*@IF(@MOD(E1*4 ,2)=0,0,1)
+ 4*@IF(@MOD(E1*8 ,2)=0,0,1)
+ 8*@IF(@MOD(E1*16,2)=0,0,1)
+16*@IF(@MOD(E1*32,2)=0,0,1)

b1-e1 can be copied down to b2-e2 and b3-e3
Another number can be typed in a2
a3=a1+a2 will show the sum, and columns b and d show the "b/d" for each number in column a.

But I guess having a "cheat sheet" directly input and accessed
by lookup, would be more fun.

The formula could be used in Solver.
(after removing the '@')

I added a 4th row with 'a1-a2' in a4, to see the difference.
I haven't done multiplication and division <G>

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Tom Salwasser wrote:
> If this is something
> you can whip up with one hand tied behind your back, please feel
> free to do so and send it to me.

Done. I wouldn't dream of actually using quaint old units like
fractions, feet and stuff in real life, but I absolutely love meddling
with them (and stand in awe of Victorian engineers).
There were a few niceties:
If the result is negative, the decimal rest after getting rid of the
integer is too. So a result would come out as -1 -3/16 instead of -1
3/16. Second a result might be -0 3/16 (yes, you woulkd not normally
write the integer here). Now the field showing the whole number insists
that -0 = 0 and prints the latter. Both problems are solved.

There are four lines: 1st input, 2nd input, (raw) sum, and Rounded and
three columns for whole number, numerator, and denominator. To get the
difference instead of the sum, the second input should have a negative
integer. Making any of the other five inputs negative will give funny
results, no error checking is being done. This is a sample:

             Integer  NumeratorDenominator
    1st Value      17        3        8
    2nd Value     -18        7       16
    Sum            -1       -8      128
    Rounded        -1        1       16

> Until I get the macro working

Makros tend to make stuff like that more complicated for no benefit. @if
@min and stuff make bigger spreadsheets very slow. This one is so small
that I used them unnecessarily liberally and did not bother to optimize.

> Thanks for your help.

Thank you for letting me have fun. As I said I simply love dabbling in
quaint old units. But then I do cheat. I convert to SI, calculate there
and convert back. The Victorians did it the really hard way and still
got it right and built beautiful lasting things like Brunel's Prince
Albert Bridge at Saltash.

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Jim Westley wrote:

> That site, and your help are very instructive. I have everything set up on
> the palmtop, but don't see the network yet with either IPX or netbeui. I'll
> keep working on it.


Here's a repost of some of my experience.

Ted

------- begin repost ------------------------

For some reason, connecting to the Novell LAN at work was one of the
harder things I've done.  It took me several tries, and lots of help
from others.  I never did get Rod Whitby's driver to work--I used the
set of files (by Nori?) on SUPER.  I suppose now that I got them
working I might be able to go back and get Rod's working, but quite
frankly once I got something to work, fiddling around further was
the *last* thing I wanted to do.  Anyway, here is my setup.

I have in my program directory (I chose c:\prgms\net) the following
files:

lxcic.com
net.cfg
netx.exe
op2216.exe
pd2212.com
pdipx.com

I load lxcic in my autoexec.bat file with:

c:\prgms\net\lxcic /l


Here are the contents of net.cfg and the batch file I use to load
everything.

[net.cfg]
netware dos requestor
first network drive = j

[netup.bat]
copy \prgms\lxtcp\tcp.lan \prgms\lxtcp\tcp.cfg
cd \prgms\net
op2216
pd2212 0x62 5
pdipx
netx
k:


This leaves me at a k:\login prompt and I can log on to the LAN.
Somebody else had to explain to me that the login drive was going
to be the letter *after* the first network drive designated in the
net.cfg file.  This was not at all obvious to me.

I have not gotten so far as to map a network drive.  I use CPack
to move files back and forth, and it's sufficient for me as I don't
do a lot of this.

I also had a lot of trouble getting some of the LXTCP applications
(especially LXTELNET) to run over my LAN's internet connection.
Through other helpful people  on this list (thanks Mike Kopplin!),
I learned that I had to specify a more complete tcp.cfg file.  I
have dynamic IP number assigned through my dial-up account, so that's
why the first line in my batch file exists--two different tcp.cfg
files for two different purposes.

I don't know if you're interested in the LXTCP apps, but
Here's the first portion of my tcp.cfg file [after being copied
from tcp.lan] just in case.

[tcp.cfg]
;****************************
;* General LXTCP parameters *
;****************************

my_ip=192.168.0.143
netmask=255.255.255.0
gateway=192.168.0.1
nameserver=192.168.0.1
domainslist=medinst.com
hostname="lx"


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At 11/28/02-11:26 AM, Barry wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Avi Meshar" <hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM>
>To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:15 PM
>Subject: Re: RPN command-line calculator
>
> > Russ,
> >
> > At 11/27/02-06:49 PM, Russel Brooks <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> > >Avi Meshar wrote:
> > > > Now, how to make 0.5625 into some fraction that is helpful in
>construction
> > > > I do not know.
> > >
> > > >From a programming point of view I would take the fractional
> > >part of the result and search a lookup table.  You could even
> > >print it out as it wouldn't be very large.  32 entries for
> > >x/32nds.
> >
> > Yes, quite so. This assumes I want to do that programming in the
>Lotus
> > spreadsheet, which I do not really <BG>...
>
>Thats not really programming. Using the @lookup() function it's
>just part of a formula.

Good enough for me to call programming. I am very familiar with the
commands, but really did not want to take the up the time and the challenge.

>It's really a good idea.

It is! indeed! Please do it. <g>

>A little rounding and scaling gives you an index.  It should be doable in a
>single formula, or two for readability, and the table.

Probably doable in one formula if you fix the fraction i.e. 16th or 8th or
whatever. Enjoy the task!

I just got into it because Tom could not reproduce the entry, and so I
repeated the way I entered the numbers in the cell and what I got as a
result. I never intended to do more than that, really <G>...

Avi

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| Success - sort of...
|
| I can see my 200 from my desk top. but I can't access the
files yet. When I
| do "net view", I get "error 6118: The list of servers for this
workgroup is
| not currently available"

Hmmm, you are close.
1=B0You have made part of your palmtop shared, have you? (When you
run "net-up" that's one of the last things to show)
2=B0Are you running "net view" from your desktop, or do you
content yourself with Windows on your PC?

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| Success - sort of...
|
| I can see my 200 from my desk top. but I can't access the
files yet. When I
| do "net view", I get "error 6118: The list of servers for this
workgroup is
| not currently available"

Hmmm, you are close.
1=B0You have made part of your palmtop shared, have you? (When you
run "net-up" that's one of the last things to show)
2=B0Are you running "net view" from your desktop, or do you
content yourself with Windows on your PC?

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Thanks to everyone who's helped with this thread. Tony H and
Axel B both sent 123 worksheets to me which accomplish the same
task with different methods. It's interesting to compare the 2
methods. I've now got two worksheets on my lx that I can quickly
open and accurately insert a couple of ugly fractions and find
the sum or difference. Emphasis on quick and accurate. We're not
doing rocket science here, but just creating a basic tool to
help eliminate drudgery and errors.

In woodworking there's an old saying: "Measure twice, cut once".
I hope to eliminate inaccurate cuts of expensive wood by
measuring accurately and computing sums and differences in 123.

Thanks for all your help!

Regards,
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>>1?You have made part of your palmtop shared, have you? (When you
run "net-up" that's one of the last things to show)<<

Yes - I have also found out that every time you share something
differently, they append to the share list. I now have 3 shared resources
on the palmtop!

>>2?Are you running "net view" from your desktop, or do you
content yourself with Windows on your PC?<<

I am only using Windows Explorer to see the palmtop. I get the error
message: "\\hp200lx is not accessible. The network request is not
supported" on the desktop.

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Avi Meshar wrote:
> > > >From a programming point of view I would take the fractional
> > > >part of the result and search a lookup table.  You could even
> > > >print it out as it wouldn't be very large.  32 entries for
> > > >x/32nds.

> Good enough for me to call programming.

Huh? Not only is it not programming, it is bad, really bad. A lookup
table to achieve what you can get simply by multiplying by 32 plus
perhaps a bit of rounding? And then you only have the trivial result.
You can of course give a result as 8/32, but only if you really don`t
find a way to do it right.

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Thanks to everyone who's helped with this thread. Tony H and
Axel B both sent 123 worksheets to me which accomplish the same
task with different methods. It's interesting to compare the 2
methods. I've now got two worksheets on my lx that I can quickly
open and accurately insert a couple of ugly fractions and find
the sum or difference. Emphasis on quick and accurate. We're not
doing rocket science here, but just creating a basic tool to
help eliminate drudgery and errors.

In woodworking there's an old saying: "Measure twice, cut once".
I hope to eliminate inaccurate cuts of expensive wood by
measuring accurately and computing sums and differences in 123.

Thanks for all your help!

Regards,
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Axel Berger wrote:
> A lookup table to achieve what you can get simply by
> multiplying by 32

Strike that. I just realized that that is obviously not what you have
done, use the lookup to find the numerator to go above 32. What you are
looking up must be text constants like (in steps of one sixteenth)
                                '3/8
                                '7/16
                                '1/4
Your method also is more powerful as it can be made to include stuff
like 763/764. Now the interesting question: Limiting yourself to
denominators from 2 to 100, how would you go about generating such a
table? (As the difference between 45/46 and 46/47 is way smaller than
1/100 it is going to be a big one.)

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At 11/29/02-11:49 AM, Axel wrote without reading the post first:
>Axel Berger wrote:
> > A lookup table to achieve what you can get simply by
> > multiplying by 32
>
>Strike that. I just realized that that is obviously not what you have
>done,

STRIKE THE REST TOO!!!! I have done NOTHING! I kept refusing to do
anything. Don't pin it on me <VBG>... I deserve no credit and no hassle! <VBG>

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At 11/29/02-11:33 AM, Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE> wrote:
> > Good enough for me to call programming.
>
>Huh? Not only is it not programming, it is bad, really bad. A lookup
>table to achieve what you can get simply by multiplying by 32 plus
>perhaps a bit of rounding? And then you only have the trivial result.
>You can of course give a result as 8/32, but only if you really don`t
>find a way to do it right.

Sorry, I am not getting into any religious wars, it is a waste of time. I
really apologize to you that I won't, but I really-really will not do it,
please forgive me.

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At 11/28/02-11:26 AM, Barry wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Avi Meshar" <hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM>
>To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:15 PM
>Subject: Re: RPN command-line calculator
>
> > Russ,
> >
> > At 11/27/02-06:49 PM, Russel Brooks <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM> wrote:
> > >Avi Meshar wrote:
> > > > Now, how to make 0.5625 into some fraction that is helpful in
>construction
> > > > I do not know.
> > >
> > > >From a programming point of view I would take the fractional
> > >part of the result and search a lookup table.  You could even
> > >print it out as it wouldn't be very large.  32 entries for
> > >x/32nds.
> >
> > Yes, quite so. This assumes I want to do that programming in the
>Lotus
> > spreadsheet, which I do not really <BG>...
>
>Thats not really programming. Using the @lookup() function it's
>just part of a formula.

Good enough for me to call programming. I am very familiar with the
commands, but really did not want to take the up the time and the challenge.

>It's really a good idea.

It is! indeed! Please do it. <g>

>A little rounding and scaling gives you an index.  It should be doable in a
>single formula, or two for readability, and the table.

Probably doable in one formula if you fix the fraction i.e. 16th or 8th or
whatever. Enjoy the task!

I just got into it because Tom could not reproduce the entry, and so I
repeated the way I entered the numbers in the cell and what I got as a
result. I never intended to do more than that, really <G>...

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Axel Berger wrote:
> > > > >From a programming point of view I would take the fractional
> > > > >part of the result and search a lookup table.  You could even
>
> Huh? Not only is it not programming, it is bad, really bad. A lookup

Since the look up table was my suggestion I'll defend it.

First a look up table IS valid programming; they've been around
since early computers.  It isn't a bad solution and if the table
is small, as this one would be, it's a simple, easy to understand
solution.  Below is a table with accuracy to 1/64ths.

Don't like it?  Don't use it; but don't call it bad or invalid.

Cheers... Russ

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  0.015625    1/64
  0.03125     1/32
  0.046875    3/64
  0.0625      1/16
  0.078125    5/64
  0.09375     3/32
  0.109375    7/61
  0.125       1/8
  0.140625    9/64
  0.15625     5/32
  0.171875   11/64
  0.1875      3/16
  0.203125   13/64
  0.21875     7/32
  0.234375   15/64
  0.25        1/4
  0.265625   17/64
  0.28125     9/32
  0.296875   19/64
  0.3125      5/16
  0.328125   21/64
  0.34375    11/32
  0.359375   23/64
  0.375       3/8
  0.390625   25/64
  0.40625    13/32
  0.421875   27/64
  0.4375      7/16
  0.453125   29/64
  0.46875    15/32
  0.484375   31/64
  0.5         1/2
  0.515625   33/64
  0.53125    17/32
  0.546875   35/64
  0.5625      9/16
  0.578125   37/64
  0.59375    19/32
  0.609375   39/64
  0.625       5/8
  0.640625   41/64
  0.65625    21/32
  0.671875   43/64
  0.6875     11/16
  0.703125   45/64
  0.71875    23/32
  0.734375   47/64
  0.75        3/4
  0.765625   49/64
  0.78125    25/32
  0.796875   51/64
  0.8125     13/16
  0.828125   53/64
  0.84375    27/32
  0.859375   55/64
  0.875       7/8
  0.890625   57/64
  0.90625    29/32
  0.921875   59/64
  0.9375     15/16
  0.953125   61/64
  0.96875    31/32
  0.984375   63/64
  1.0         1/1

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> Axel Berger wrote:
> > > > > >From a programming point of view I would take the
fractional
> > > > > >part of the result and search a lookup table.  You could
even
> >
> > Huh? Not only is it not programming, it is bad, really bad. A
lookup
>
> Since the look up table was my suggestion I'll defend it.
>
> First a look up table IS valid programming; they've been around
> since early computers.  It isn't a bad solution and if the table
> is small, as this one would be, it's a simple, easy to understand
> solution.  Below is a table with accuracy to 1/64ths.

Programming in 123 usually refers to macros.

But I doubt there's any dictionary that will support me so ok. :)

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2 days 09h13m ago Tom Salwasser wrote:

> For example, I need to add 3/8 and 9/16. Intuitively we know the
> answer is 15/16. To do this in RPN enter this:
>
> RPN 3 8/ 9 16/ + 16 *
>
> The answer would be 15.

Tom, in case you or someone else wants a solver eqn for this,
the one below works like this:

3 8/ 9 16/ + F2(Input) F3(num) and you see

Input= 0.9375
num  =15.0000
denom=16.0000
resid= 0.0000

The "resid" just shows if there was any error. For example
10.1 F2 F3 produces 13/128 with resid=0.001563 (as 13/128 was
the nearest approximation to 0.1)

It seems to work quite well with RPN - you can't see the stack
but the bottom row keys work fine (zxcvbnm).

Here is the binfrac.eqn:

{binfrac|0*(L(x,int((Input-int(Input))*128+.5)/128)+num+denom+resid
+L(denom,2^(SIGMA(i,1,7,1,sgn(MOD(g(x)*2^i,2))))))
+num-g(x)*g(denom)+0*L(resid,num/denom- Input+int(Input))}

All the work is done on the second line inside the SIGMA - the
rest is pretty much for making the display look reasonable.
The finest resolution is 1/128th - but that could be made a
variable as well.

There is another RPN calculator I have never seen mentioned -
the old "dc" on unix. That must date from the way back around
1970. Before the days of HP RPN calcs! It is really quaint to
use! To see the top of the stack you need to press "p" - so if
you type 1 1 + it just disappears<G>. There is a version in
the MKS tollkit that works on the palmtop.

> Is there any way I can enter larger numbers like 22 3/8 and 6
> 7/16 and have RPN give me the sum or difference in fraction
> form? Just a thought.

3 ENTER 8/ 22+ STO 1 7 ENTER 16/ 6+ + F2 F3 shows
Input=28.8125
num  =13.0000
denom=16.0000
then RCL 1 RCL 2 - F2 F3 shows 15.9375 ,15, 16

-Tony
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Barry wrote:
> Programming in 123 usually refers to macros.
>
> But I doubt there's any dictionary that will support me so ok. :)

The discussion started with an enhancement request for Curtis's
command line calculator to support fractions.  I wasn't thinking
of 123 when I refuted the claim that look up tables were bad.  I
would think a look up table would be more difficult to implement
in a macro language like 123 but I'm sure someone clever could
take this as a challenge and do it.  I don't use 123 so I won't.

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> Barry wrote:
> > Programming in 123 usually refers to macros.
> >
> > But I doubt there's any dictionary that will support me so ok.
:)
>
> The discussion started with an enhancement request for Curtis's
> command line calculator to support fractions.  I wasn't thinking
> of 123 when I refuted the claim that look up tables were bad.  I
> would think a look up table would be more difficult to implement
> in a macro language like 123 but I'm sure someone clever could
> take this as a challenge and do it.  I don't use 123 so I won't.

123 has a lookup function. theres no need for a macro or any
implementation.

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Barry wrote:
> 123 has a lookup function. theres no need for a macro or any
> implementation.

My 123 ignorance shines through.  :-)

However the simplicity offered by the command line RPN,EXE
seems to be completely lost when you start running 123.

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> Barry wrote:
> > 123 has a lookup function. theres no need for a macro or any
> > implementation.
>
> My 123 ignorance shines through.  :-)
>
> However the simplicity offered by the command line RPN,EXE
> seems to be completely lost when you start running 123.

I agree.  I'd much prefer something for the command line.  I'm
never in Sysmgr anyway.

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Hi all,

Version 1.10 of the RPN command-line calculator is available at my web
site, http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx/ .

New features are:
* arccos, arcsin functions added
* factorial, combinations, permutations added
* new display mode: fractions. The fractions works like the
fixed-point, scientific, or engineering display modes. You set it to
this mode by entering 'frac[n]', where the largest denominator you
want to see is 2^n. Does this make sense? With the other notations,
you can enter for example FIX4 to see four decimal places. If you
enter FRAC4, then you'll see fractions, where the largest number in
the denominator is 16. The denominator will always be a power of two,
by the way. With that in mind, here is what you might enter, and what
the calculator displays:

Enter "15 16/14+"    (this is 14 15/16)
It displays "14.9375"
Enter "7 8/3+"       (this is 3 7/8)
It displays "3.8750"
Enter "+"            (add them)
It displays "18.8125"
Enter "frac5"        (set FRAC mode, with 32 as largest denominator)
It displays "18 13/16"
Enter "2/"           (divide by two)
It displays "9 13/32"

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23m ago Curtis Cameron wrote:

> Version 1.10 of the RPN command-line calculator is available at my web
> site, http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx/ .

Curtis I must have been too quick, and just downloaded 1.00
- I can tell because frac4 gives me 4.00 <G>

Hat's Off to you for this enhancement! Really great!
Every calculator needs it!

My old HP48SX has a ->Q key which I always liked - it does a
decimal->fraction conversion. Come to think of it the old PPC
ROM had a neat "DF" too.

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Hi Curtis:

At 11/29/02-11:29 PM, Curtis Cameron <cc@CCDOMINOES.COM> wrote:
>Version 1.10 of the RPN command-line calculator is available at my web
>site, http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx/ .

I am not sure if it was clear what Tony said, but I understood after I
downloaded and tried the program. It still says that is RPN v 1.00, not
1.10. And indeed it is not yet doing the functions you mentioned.

This is a great program. One feature I especially like is that I can use it
right on my Win98 with no mods!

Ironically I just unpacked my old HP12 which I had on my desk for years!
There has got to be a reason why I still haven't bought the batteries for
it! Now, with RPN, I don't need them.

I have a request: Can you add a way to display the HELP screen WHILE
calculating, i.e. AFTER the program starts running? /? has a meaning: It
will divide the last two entries, and then display the interim result, so
that won't work. Typing h just regurgitates 0.00, presumably the current
value of variable h...

Maybe the word "help"? Well, whatever you decide so the help screen can pop
during usage will be helpful...

This is a lovely program. Thank you!!!

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04h01m ago Curtis Cameron wrote:

> You set it to this mode by entering 'frac[n]', where the
> largest denominator you want to see is 2^n. Does this
> make sense?

We concentrated on the 2^n denominators here because of the use
in carpentry. And they are an easy subset to handle in 123 and
solver. But, with looping available to you it may be just as
easy to display any decimal as a fraction - which would
include the 2^n denominators if they apply. You could base the
calc on the FIX[n] in force.

[no no, I take this back - see below]

> It displays "18.8125"
> Enter "frac5"        (set FRAC mode, with 32 as largest denominator)
> It displays "18 13/16"

This is really excellent - to automatically keep the integer part separate.
On the HP48SX I need to take the fractional part and then
apply the "D->F" and then recombine the fraction with the
integer for display.

> Enter "2/"           (divide by two)
> It displays "9 13/32"

Very nice!

Actually, you know, on second thoughts it might be very useful
to stick with the 2^n denominators. Yes! It gives a special
feature! For example - here in New Zealand we copied some
Canadian legistation for Credit Contracts ("Truth in Lending"
in the USA) - and the law says we have to round finance rates
to the "nearest one-eighth of a percent". Perfect for
RPN.EXE!! I am sure there will be many other examples as well.

I have some old graph paper from the USA - and it *uses* a
grid of eighths instead of tenths!! I'm not sure how common
this is today, but yet another use for the 2^n :)

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Hi Curtis,

I'm echoing what Tony and Avi pointed out, the link to rpn 1.10 provides 1.0.
Thanks for the update, I can't wait to try it.

I've been away from my email for a day and I'm pleasantly surprised to see some
activity on this thread.

Axel, I know you were surprised at the need for computing fractions, but because
we use feet and inches in the US, all construction and woodworking here is based
on fractions of inches in powers of 2. The potential audience for this program
is quite large. When I was in high school they told us to prepare for the
conversion to the metric system, but it never happened. Auto mechanics must have
2 sets of tools if they want to work on American cars and non-American cars.
It's obvious how much the metric system simplifies things but changing a system,
a way of thinking, is not so easy. Thanks for your 123 worksheet, it's a work of
art and I will spend some time with it (and Tony's) to learn something from it.

Regards,
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This is more of a DOS specific question, than just a HPLX question, but
perhaps someone can lead me to an answer.
I need to add specific line tags to a text file that I am exporting to
another program.  I need to add 'Send "' to the beginning of each and every
line, and '<cr>"' to the end of every line.  Does anyone know of any simple
way to do this automatically, or of any programs that would do such?
Any suggestions?


                                                        Dan

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Anyone knows of a tool to convert POST/LX mailboxes to/from MBX format?

TIA

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Folks, if anyone uses Nokia 6310 and WWW/LX over IR would you kindly email
to me in private? I'd like to ask you to try a website for me over IR. A
customer seems to have a problem using IR with that phone and using WWW/LX v2.

Thanks in advance.

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> I have a request: Can you add a way to display the HELP screen
WHILE
> calculating, i.e. AFTER the program starts running? /? has a
meaning: It
> will divide the last two entries, and then display the interim
result, so
> that won't work. Typing h just regurgitates 0.00, presumably the
current
> value of variable h...
>
> Maybe the word "help"? Well, whatever you decide so the help
screen can pop
> during usage will be helpful...

I agree.  I don't want to have to remember how to use a program.
There are just too many programs and I have too many platforms.
Some sort of online help would be great.

The last time I wrote an rpn calulator I had a ver (verbose)
statement that would make it print all interim results, one per
line in my case, after ver until it saw ver again.  Easy to
implement and it would free up the ? for help.

I have to admit I didn't have inline help, either.  I already knew
all the functions.  :)

> This is a lovely program. Thank you!!!

I agree.

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Tom Salwasser wrote:
> I've been away from my email for a day and I'm pleasantly
> surprised to see some activity on this thread.

"Some activity"?  We've been talking it too death.  :-)

> Auto mechanics must have
> 2 sets of tools if they want to work on American cars and non-American cars.

Is this still true?  I thought all cars coming out of Detroit
have been metric for some time?  (I'm not sure though as I drive
a Toyota.)

As neat as Curtis's accomplishment is I wish the US would drag
itself out of the past and convert to metric.  I'm surprised
that wasted Mars trip didn't push us further along to Metric.

Cheers... Russ

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> > Auto mechanics must have
> > 2 sets of tools if they want to work on American cars and
non-American cars.
>
> Is this still true?  I thought all cars coming out of Detroit
> have been metric for some time?  (I'm not sure though as I drive
> a Toyota.)

The last I heard, American cars have both metric and English
measurement parts.

> As neat as Curtis's accomplishment is I wish the US would drag
> itself out of the past and convert to metric.  I'm surprised
> that wasted Mars trip didn't push us further along to Metric.

When times are good and something is working we don't fix it.  And
we're too busy taking advantage of the good times.

When times are bad we can't afford to tinker.  :)

Remember the Peggy Lee song "Manana"?

"Our window she is broken and the rain is coming in.
If someone doesn't fix it I'll be soaking to the skin.
But if we wait a day or two the rain will go away
And we don't need a window on such a sunny day."

If Peggy Lee said it it must be so.  :)

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At 11/30/02-09:47 AM, Russel Brooks <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM> wrote:
>Tom Salwasser wrote:
> > Auto mechanics must have
> > 2 sets of tools if they want to work on American cars and non-American
> cars.
>
>Is this still true?  I thought all cars coming out of Detroit
>have been metric for some time?  (I'm not sure though as I drive
>a Toyota.)

Maybe new cars are all metric (although I think not, but do not know!) BUT
my ol' 1994 Ford Taurus is DEFINITELY not metric and my mechanic better
have a set of non-metric tools!

>As neat as Curtis's accomplishment is I wish the US would drag itself out
>of the past and convert to metric.  I'm surprised that wasted Mars trip
>didn't push us further along to Metric.

It would be great to move to metric and join the rest of the world!

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Barry wrote:
> I agree.  I'd much prefer something for the command line.  I'm
> never in Sysmgr anyway.

Each to his own. For me the instantly accessible 123 is one of the
stronger points of the HP. I use it even for stuff like 2+2, for all too
often once I've begun something else and probably more involved crops up
instantly.

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Curtis Cameron wrote:
> It displays "18.8125"
> Enter "frac5"        (set FRAC mode, with 32 as largest denominator)
> It displays "18 13/16"
> Enter "2/"           (divide by two)
> It displays "9 13/32"

I'm most probably never going to use it or anything else RPN, but I will
admit that that feature if working as advertised is a great achievement.
Will 1.5 frac5 be shown as 1 8/16 or as 1 1/2?

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Avi Meshar wrote:
> It would be great to move to metric and join the rest of the world!

Don't please, I love it too much. The funny thing about it is how Ye
Olde Englande is all metric now and you modernity worshipping Americans
stick to inches and Fahrenheit. I had my first big disappointment on my
first visit to England in 1972. In school we had learnt all about
pounds, shillings, and pence and when I arrived what had they just gone
and done? Gone decimal, that's what. Spoilsports!

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At 11/30/02-10:38 AM, you wrote:
>Avi Meshar wrote:
> > It would be great to move to metric and join the rest of the world!
>
>Don't please, I love it too much. The funny thing about it is how Ye
>Olde Englande is all metric now and you modernity worshipping Americans
>stick to inches and Fahrenheit.

That is the irony!

I don't think it is correct to say "worship" the non-metric units, I
seriously doubt that Americans have an emotional attachment, but I think
like normal people (most americans are, I know it comes as a shock to you
ad your fellow Euros <G>) Americans are VERY USED to the units they use.

As to the question that begs "Why did England, the origin of these units,
convert and not USA?" one must look at the relative size of the economy and
country. England is a much smaller country and a much smaller economy than
the USA and the US market is large enough to dictate to importers that
metric in not the usual thing here. England's economy could never dictate
such a feature to the European manufacturers.

(There is a similar reality in cellphones: USA market is so large that
Nokia manufactures special phones just for this market, in fact, service
providers are large enough to garner special manufactured phones, e.g AT&T.)

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At 11/30/02-10:57 AM, Erwann ABALEA <erwann@abalea.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Avi Meshar wrote:
>
> > Folks, if anyone uses Nokia 6310 and WWW/LX over IR would you kindly email
> > to me in private? I'd like to ask you to try a website for me over IR. A
> > customer seems to have a problem using IR with that phone and using
> WWW/LX v2.
>
>Are you talking about a Nokia 6310 or Nokia 6310i?

Nokia 6310i

>These are 2 different models.

I did not know. Thanks for info. What's the difference?

>I use a 6310 one, and it doesn't work in IR mode with the version of
>WWW/LX that I downloaded from your website a few weeks ago. I'll try anew
>to tell you what happens.

Hmmmm... On Daniel's page it says that 6310 DOES work. I do not know who
tried it.

Maybe Daniel can illuminate?

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>>Americans are VERY USED to the units they use.

this is changing my daughter was taught metric and perfers it (of course)
another couple generations and we will be converted

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>>Is this still true?  I thought all cars coming out of Detroit
>>have been metric for some time?  (I'm not sure though as I drive
>>a Toyota.)

it might be worse than that some metric and some english fastners in the
same vehicle, the transmission and rear end are made in metric while the
rest of the car is made in america

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On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Avi Meshar wrote:

> At 11/30/02-10:57 AM, Erwann ABALEA <erwann@abalea.com> wrote:
[...]
> >Are you talking about a Nokia 6310 or Nokia 6310i?
>
> Nokia 6310i
>
> >These are 2 different models.
>
> I did not know. Thanks for info. What's the difference?

GSM 900/1800/1900 vs GSM 900/1800
Java applets on the 6310i

The rest is pretty much the same. They both support GSM Data, HSCSD, GPRS
4+1, Bluetooth and IrDA.

> >I use a 6310 one, and it doesn't work in IR mode with the version of
> >WWW/LX that I downloaded from your website a few weeks ago. I'll try anew
> >to tell you what happens.
>
> Hmmmm... On Daniel's page it says that 6310 DOES work. I do not know who
> tried it.
>
> Maybe Daniel can illuminate?

I only tried a GPRS connection, no GSM or HSCSD. It works perfectly with
WWW/LX, LCTXP and Goin' Postal with a serial cable, but not with the IrDA
link. I'll make some more tests when I'll have some spare time...

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At 11/30/02-01:14 PM, "Larry Tachna" <ltachna@att.net> wrote:

> >>Americans are VERY USED to the units they use.
>
>this is changing my daughter was taught metric and perfers it (of course)
>another couple generations and we will be converted

I really hope so. I am ready to switch tomorrow! <VBG> There is a good
chance the younger generation such as your daughter's generation will
influence matters more than we could.

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At 11/30/02-01:25 PM, Erwann ABALEA <erwann@ABALEA.COM> wrote:
>GSM 900/1800/1900 vs GSM 900/1800
>Java applets on the 6310i

I assume the 6310i has the triple band?

>I only tried a GPRS connection, no GSM or HSCSD. It works perfectly with
>WWW/LX, LCTXP and Goin' Postal with a serial cable, but not with the IrDA
>link. I'll make some more tests when I'll have some spare time...

This will be terrific info to add to Daniel's excellent compilation. Keep
us posted if you do test.  TIA...

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Avi Meshar wrote:
> I really hope so. I am ready to switch tomorrow! <VBG> There is a good
> chance the younger generation such as your daughter's generation will
> influence matters more than we could.

It is not really a matter of units though, is it? As long as you have a
base to fall back to, that is. I do not use Imperial units much
diffently from the way I was taught to do it in school. Face it, metric
units are not usually metres, but cm, km and whatnot. The same about g
and tonnes, litres and m^3, hours, years and seconds and all manner of
stuff. I was taught to always use m, kg, sec etc with the simple
conversions to N, W, J. The result would then be expressed in the unit
most suited. So inches do not change my modus opandi at all, but I
marvel at the Victorian masters who made do without.

Axel

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Date:         Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:05:00 -0500
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:14:57 -0500, Larry Tachna wrote:

>>>Americans are VERY USED to the units they use.

>this is changing my daughter was taught metric and perfers it (of course)
>another couple generations and we will be converted

I'm not quite sure what a 'typical' definition of 'generation'
is in most people's mind, but I was TAUGHT the metric system
as early as elementry school (5th & 6th grade) and was told
then (1964-1965) we would be 'converted' in a 'couple of
generations'.  My friends now have kids in college, so I
would consider that at least one full generation.  Personally,
I am more comfortable with the non-metric measurements because
that is what is USED in the United States.  Yes, there are
metric equilivents on most items in our stores, but they are
not in common usage, so don't mean anything yet.  It is one
thing to be taught (and understand) something, but entirely
different to actually use it.

Tom Cannard  <cannard@bellatlantic.net>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas E. Cannard" <cannard@BELLATLANTIC.NET>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 3:05 PM
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> On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:14:57 -0500, Larry Tachna wrote:
>
> >>>Americans are VERY USED to the units they use.
>
> >this is changing my daughter was taught metric and perfers it
(of course)
> >another couple generations and we will be converted
>
> I'm not quite sure what a 'typical' definition of 'generation'
> is in most people's mind, but I was TAUGHT the metric system
> as early as elementry school (5th & 6th grade) and was told
> then (1964-1965) we would be 'converted' in a 'couple of
> generations'.  My friends now have kids in college, so I
> would consider that at least one full generation.  Personally,
> I am more comfortable with the non-metric measurements because
> that is what is USED in the United States.  Yes, there are
> metric equilivents on most items in our stores, but they are
> not in common usage, so don't mean anything yet.  It is one
> thing to be taught (and understand) something, but entirely
> different to actually use it.

I've noticed in the last couple of years in grocery stores that
items that show measurements in both units are more and more being
sold in round metric numbers.  One liter bottles of this and that
and it also gives the quarts on the bottle but it's being sold sort
of by the litre.

I don't know if that's the most common thing now or not.  Probably
not.  But it's a lot more common than it was a few years aqo.
Actually I think it might be more common with litres than with
other measures.

Barry

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Date:         Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:25:10 -0600
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Sorry about that, I zipped it this time, with the source code, instead
of just publishing the .exe file, but I forgot to make the web page
point to rpn.zip instead of rpn.exe.

Axel wrote:
>Will 1.5 frac5 be shown as 1 8/16 or as 1 1/2?

It will show it as 1 1/2. The numerator is always an odd number in
these base-two fractions.

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Date:         Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:35:40 -0600
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 08:10:28 EST Firstname Lastname wrote:
>This is more of a DOS specific question, than just a HPLX question, but
>perhaps someone can lead me to an answer.
>I need to add specific line tags to a text file that I am exporting to
>another program.  I need to add 'Send "' to the beginning of each and every
>line, and '<cr>"' to the end of every line.  Does anyone know of any simple
>way to do this automatically, or of any programs that would do such?

It would be pretty easy (in any language) to write a program to do
this. However, if you need to do similar, but not exact, things
frequently, Perl is the ideal language. You could do this from the
command line like:

perl -pe "s/(.*)/Send $1\r/" < infile.txt > outfile.txt

This says "run perl, with the script on the command line, printing out
every line after processing. Take all of each line (any character as
many times as possible), and output "Send ", then the original line,
then a carriage return character, getting the input from infile.txt,
and sending the output to outfile.txt".

By the way, are you sure you need to put a <CR> at the end of each
line? Assuming they end in a newline now, this would put a <LF><CR>
sequence, which is not the normal order. You might want instead to
change it to <CR><LF>, which would be:

perl -pe "chomp; s/(.*)/Send $1\r\n/" < infile.txt > outfile.txt

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Thanks,
      Actually since I placed that question I found a program called "File
Formatter" on SUPER that does just what I need.

                                                           Dan

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Larry Tachna wrote:
> another couple generations and we will be converted

I'll believe it when I hear the TV weather announce the temp in
C instead of F.

Cheers... Russ

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At 11/30/02-04:25 PM, Curtis Cameron <cc@CCDOMINOES.COM> wrote:
>Sorry about that, I zipped it this time, with the source code, instead
>of just publishing the .exe file, but I forgot to make the web page
>point to rpn.zip instead of rpn.exe.

Nothing to be sorry about! We were that much more appreciative when RPN
1.10 arrived! What a GEM!!! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

Fractions work, albeit not intuitive, but it is GREAT! IF, and only if, it
ever pleases you, can you make FRAC like this:

FRAC2 gives all results in x/2
FRAC4 gives all results in x/4
FRAC8 gives all results in x/8 etc...

Of course I am sure someone will come up and ask for FRACN that provides
the results in x/N fractions <G>... So maybe I should not start anything,
huh? <G>..

This is a lovely program. I got it already on all my computers and I am
using it! I always liked RPN, since being one of the first customers to
ever buy a HP35!

Avi

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Date:         Sat, 30 Nov 2002 15:42:16 -0800
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If my rusty memory serves, POST/LX messages are in RFC 822 format. If
that's so, ForMorph (see www.fkeeps.com) will probably do nicely. It isn't
free, but it's relatively inexpensive.

Larry Mittell

At 05:51 AM 11/30/2002, Avi Meshar wrote:
>Anyone knows of a tool to convert POST/LX mailboxes to/from MBX format?
>
>TIA
>
>Avi

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02h54m ago Curtis Cameron wrote:

> It will show it as 1 1/2. The numerator is always an odd number in
> these base-two fractions.

Thanks Curtis, I really like your implementation.

And, thanks for making the source available! I see that frac3
90.12 shows me '90' , not '90 1/8', so rpn 'rounds down' to
the lower fraction. This is fine, and if I want to change it,
I can, and maybe add a 'LAST' and an 'ENTER' to push
replicates into the stack.

I like to do 'frac5 stack" then 'fix4 stack' - this
will be handy!

-Tony

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Date:         Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:59:39 -0700
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Larry Mittell wrote:

> At 05:51 AM 11/30/2002, Avi Meshar wrote:
> >Anyone knows of a tool to convert POST/LX mailboxes to/from
> >MBX format?

> If my rusty memory serves, POST/LX messages are in RFC 822 format. If
> that's so, ForMorph (see www.fkeeps.com) will probably do nicely. It isn't
> free, but it's relatively inexpensive.

The messages themselves aren't a problem from what I can see.
It's the message separator, which isn't part of RFC 822.

Eudora and many other email programs use the traditional "From "
line to separate messages, like

From owner-hplx-l@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU  Sat Nov 30 07:16:23 2002

POST/LX however uses something like

-~~~~~~~~Mail~

Converting to eudoras mbx format shouldn't be that difficult
using awk, sed or perl. All one would have to do is search and
replace the .i mail separator with a "From " type separator.
Eudora should then be able to read the mailbox and create any
supporting files. I don't believe the From line has to have any
real information, just properly formatted. I've done this for
messages to use in pine, and just used a bogus email and current
system time.

Going from eudora to post/lx could be similar, except I think
the .i separator can include message status information.

Mike

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Hello,

 Would anyone know if xcopy was around in the days of DOS 3.22?
I'm trying to write a more efficient backup batch for a 95LX.
If xcopy existed then and someone has a copy they wouldn't mind sending my
way, I'd really appreciate it.

  Thanks!    Eric

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Eric Greenspoon wrote:
>  Would anyone know if xcopy was around in the days of DOS 3.22?

It looks like it was introduced in DOS 3.2.
I have a DOS 3.3 version of Xcopy if you want it.

Cheers... Russ

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