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HPLX Digest          Friday, February 7 1997          Volume 02 : Number 053



Recent happenings on HPLX:

A new find!!!
Re: Hey, Look what happened...
Re: Hey, Look what happened...
Re: Xword puzzles
Re: damark pcmcia modem
Re: GEOS Power & Speed
Re: Hey, Look what happened...
Re: Translator English/Hebrew for DOS
Why Power-Hungry Cards Just Won't Work
Re: English-English LX compatible Dictionary
Re: Any UK Users of Quicken?
WTB Modem/Flash card in Europe
[none]
Re: WTB Modem/Flash card in Europe
Re: Why Power-Hungry Cards Just Won't Work / PCMCIA Fax/Modems
Re: Virtual Cigars
Re: 300LX to be announced
Re: Virtual Cigars
Re: Virtual Cigars
Re: Modem List?
Re: 200LX CPACK and Quicken for Windows
Re: Hey, Look what happened...
Re: Virtual Cigars
Re: Hey, Look what happened...
Virtual Cigars
Re: Virtual Cigars
Re: 200LX CPACK and Quicken for Windows
cc:MAIL
List comments...
Re: cc:MAIL
Look what happened
NUPOP software
Re: Virtual Cigars
Re: Modem List?

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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 22:24:46 -0500
From: "Mitchell B. Hamm" <mitch@palmtop.net>
Subject: A new find!!!

I was strolling through my neighborhood Sears Hardware this evening and struck
gold...well actually black plastic. I found the neatest little hardcase for the
palmtop for only $4.99 and I thought you folks would want to see it. I put up a
page linked off of "More &..." with pictures and part number information:

http://www.palmtop.net/hardcase.html

Pretty nifty, eh?

If you don't want to go to the web, it's Sears part #9_65283 and is called the
"Permanex Utility Case".

And for our many non-Americans, Sears is a mecca for "Do It Yourself" types and
has a great line of tools and hardware to drool over. I have no idea if Sears
is international so ignore me if you already know this.

:)

Mitch
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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 23:34:22 -0500
From: Robert Nicholson <robert@elastica.com>
Subject: Re: Hey, Look what happened...

and you have to carry a pocket modem around?

Better would be to upload the mail and send it out via the desktop.


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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 22:42:52 -0600
From: "Tom Hoover" <thoover@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: Hey, Look what happened...

> > Someone just released a TCP/IP Stack for Pilot. Price? $39.00. Can you
> > believe those fools? They are selling it for $39.00 when they could rape
> > the market for $80.00. Does Email too...
>
> Now Evan, you be nice. :)

Evan is only telling the truth.  I'm sure, as usual, that there will
now be 50 messages to smooth some ruffled feathers...
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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 23:48:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Rob Tillotson <rob@io.com>
Subject: Re: Xword puzzles

In article <970206173917_75162.2616_FHI33-3@CompuServe.COM>, Fred Kaufman <75162.2616@CompuServe.COM> writes:
>Does it also decode the answers?  I know Jim is looking for the
>decode algorythm.

Nope... I'm not a cryptographer.  (I'm sure the algorithm can't be
THAT complex, but since my skill at doing stuff like that is somewhere
below zero it's practically impenetrable to me :-)

As far as I can tell the algorithm isn't documented anywhere, which
doesn't surprise me since the makers of Across Lite make their money
selling the file-saving library and the right to publish puzzles made
with it...

- --Rob

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Date: Thu, 6 Feb 97 22:53:28 -0700
From: HELMUT_GROSSINGER@HP-ColSprings-om1.om.hp.com
Subject: Re: damark pcmcia modem

i bought the same Modem same place and had *NO* problems with it.

Helmut in Colorado




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Subject: Re: damark pcmcia modem
Author:  Non-HP-owner-hplx (owner-hplx@palmtop.net) at HP-ColSprings,shargw1
Date:    2/6/97 6:21 PM


On 1997-02-05 hplx@palmtop.net said to brodg1@ix.netcom.com
   >Fellow LXers,
   >Recently a post mentioned that Damark had a 14.4 pcmcia
   >modem for $29. I took the chance and ordered one and
   >received a fujitsu model. I can get it to work (well sort
   >of) but results are flakey at best. A call to fujitsu says
   >they do not support it with the palmtop (I figured as much)
   >but I thought before I returned this "bargain" I'd ask if
   >anyone else purchased one and has had success with it?
   >-------------------------------------------------- Keith E.
   >Ensor, Sr. Comm Analyst York Hospital, 1001 S. George St.
   >York, PA, 17405 Voice:  717-851-2641   Fax:  717-851-3155
   >E-mail: mc_kensor@YORKHOSPITAL.EDU
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Hi,
I'm the guy that made the original post about 4 wks ago.
I received an ATT Keep In Touch 14.4 modem.  The doc is
circa '94 and the date code on the unit is sometime in '95.
All that said, it seems to work pretty well on reasonably
good lines.  It will fail on relatively poor lines.  So far
it works well in 75% of my locations in the US.

I consider any great product at a very low price to be a
gamble.  This is a case in point.  Had it not worked, I
would have considered it a learning activity.  I've spent
more on books I haven't read.  Perhaps you need to invest
bigger bucks in a current technology modem that will work
better on poor quality phone lines.  Good luck,  Bill


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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 00:32:53 -0600 (CST)
From: Rob Tillotson <rob@io.com>
Subject: Re: GEOS Power & Speed

In article <QQcbug06914.199702070043@relay7.UU.NET>, mail20468@uunet.uu.net writes:
>Appman is supposed to be that but I think Apps can be developed more
>easily for GEOS. It doesn't seem there are too many programmers
>(outside of Japan) that even know how to create an .exm file.

Indeed.  I think it's not really so much an issue of knowledge, as an
issue of having a reason to gain that knowledge.  Look at what you're
in for if you want to go the EXM route instead of just using PAL:

  - you've got to pay for the development kit.  PAL is free.

  - you've got to learn another GUI.  You'll probably end up using
    PAL at some point anyway, so this means extra work.

  - you've got to live with memory restrictions, which may make larger
    programs difficult if not impossible to do in the EXM format.
    With PAL, you can just switch to large model and keep working, and
    use malloc() and friends (or new and delete) for memory allocation.

  - you might end up using PAL stuff anyway, for the extra features
    (eg. fonts), in which case you might as well just use all of it.

  - you can't distribute a means to run EXMs on the desktop, should
    your program be of interest to a generic DOS user (possibly
    including yourself)

With all of this, it should come as no surprise that in recent times,
the majority of new applications aren't EXMs.  I don't see this
changing much, unless perhaps Thaddeus Computing decides to give away
free copies of the development kit as an incentive to programmers :-)

- --Rob

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 00:55:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Rob Tillotson <rob@io.com>
Subject: Re: Hey, Look what happened...

In article <32FAB0CE.C71@elastica.com>, Robert Nicholson <robert@elastica.com> writes:

>and you have to carry a pocket modem around?
>Better would be to upload the mail and send it out via the desktop.

*nod* That's what you get for buying a machine too small for a slot :)

And now, my comment on the inevitable pricing discussion that is sure
to start up:

Just remember that the Pilot market and the LX market are not the
same.  In particular, it is worth noting that "inexpensive" is one of
the defining characteristics of the Pilot.  The machine itself only
costs a couple hundred bucks, so an $80 program seems even more
expensive to a Pilot owner than to an LX owner.  I have witnessed
several discussions in Pilot-related newsgroups about software
pricing, where a lot of people seemed to think that $50 was too much
for even a real application (a spreadsheet).

Thus, it may not be reasonable to draw any conclusions about LX
software pricing from the price of a piece of Pilot software.

Besides, if the rumors about the impending new Pilots are true, they
may not sell too many copies even at $40, since existing Pilot users
will be able to upgrade their ROMs to get TCP/IP in the new system
software... so I guess price really doesn't matter after all :)

- --Rob

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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 09:04:16 +0200
From: Saar Avigour <channel3@netvision.net.il>
Subject: Re: Translator English/Hebrew for DOS

Avi Meshar wrote:
>
> I use Langenscheid's occasionally. It works well on the palmtop. Two
> items bother me: I cannot  add my own or modify definitions, and
> secondly, there are some really dumb errors in it which I discovered.
>
> Avi
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Hallo Avi,

Anything about the same stuff but Eng/Hebrew ?

Thanx in advance

Saar > cahannel3@netvision.net.il
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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 02:16:14 -0500
From: Jim Gonzalez <gonzalez@lads.is.lmco.com>
Subject: Why Power-Hungry Cards Just Won't Work

I haven't seen an official figure from HP anywhere, but it's widely
reported that the limit on the PCMCIA slot is 150 mA.  The least
power-hungry 28.8's I've seen (from Eiger and New Media Corp.) require
around 170 mA.  One user acknowledged in private email that use of his
NetSurfer 28.8 resulted in flaky system behavior.  So, even a card that
is 10-15% over spec isn't safe.  People who use these cards often
mention that their systems run hot, but I don't think heat dissipation
is the real issue.

I haven't seen the schematics, but my guess is that the 200LX uses
voltage doublers to develop the 5 V to supply the slot, from the AA's.
It's been a *long* time, but I recall that voltage doublers include
capacitors that are sized for the anticipated load.  If you exceed this
load, the output voltage dips and waivers.  Even if the internal
circuitry is 3.3 V, at least one doubler stage would be involved there
(2 NiCd's develop only 2.5 V fully charged), meaning the whole system
would be getting dirty power due to the overloaded slot.  This would
explain the "risk of data loss" mentioned in the owner's guide; the
internal RAM needs clean power to remain intact.

Even operating on the AC adapter may not help, if the doublers are still
involved.

My conclusion is that people using 28.8's are playing with fire.

                                -Jim.
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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 07:42:48 +0000 (GMT)
From: "Andrew.Gorrie@GECM.COM 01634 844400 ext 3113" <andrew.gorrie@gecm.com>
Subject: Re: English-English LX compatible Dictionary

>Looking for an Eng-Eng rather "heavy" dictionary to work on the LX200.
 Tried several locals but they r not really CGA compatible, and are
 graphically 2 complicated 4 the small screen.

try and find an old copy of ms word, cos that had an external dictionary
program that was called from the main prog.

can't remember what version thou.....thou. the number 2 seems to ring a
bell....

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:21:51 GMT
From: Tim Phipps <tim@computer.bri.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Any UK Users of Quicken?

> Have I misunderstood how to use this package?
No.  I am sure you can't do reguar payments in Quicken.  Quicken doesn't really
know or care what day it is (apart from filling in tha date of a transaction for
you).  It's not like the Appt book.

I use a macro that I run every month and a repeating todo item to remind me.
I don't have any yearly fixed transfers, they're all variable and I get a
reminder from the companies before they take the money.

You can enter future payments in Quicken if you don't want to run a macro ever
month.  That would be too depressing for me.

Cheers,
Tim Phipps.
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:29:44 +0100
From: Dieter.GLATZEL@EUROSTAT.cec.be
Subject: WTB Modem/Flash card in Europe

Hi there,
Does anyone know where to buy- mail order - the EXP LXM/8 (14.4 modem with 8Meg) in Europe (or to be more precise in the European Union, to avaoid problems with customs)
Thanks
Dieter
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Date: 07 Feb 97 19:03:18 +1100
From: David.Eggins@ATONAT.ausgovtax.telememo.au
Subject: [none]

   G'Day

   I have used MOONADB, to calculate the moon cycle and insert it
   into my appointment DB.  As I am in Australia, I selected
   "Southern" for daylight savings time.  I noticed that while It
   was using the correct dates, the DST was appearing on the
   wrong half of the year.

   Instead of last week in October to first week in March, it was
   using first week in march to last week in October.  Maybe I
   misread it, but any advice would be great.

   Dave
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 11:12:34 0
From: "Antonio Queiroz Menezes" <abmenezes@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Re: WTB Modem/Flash card in Europe

> Reply-to:      hplx@palmtop.net
> From:          Dieter.GLATZEL@EUROSTAT.cec.be
> Date:          Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:29:44 +0100
> To:            <hplx@palmtop.net>
> Subject:       WTB Modem/Flash card in Europe

> Hi there,
> Does anyone know where to buy- mail order - the EXP LXM/8 (14.4 modem with 8Meg) in Europe (or to be more precise in the European Union, to avaoid problems with customs)
> Thanks
> Dieter

Try: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rundel

Regards,

Antonio

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:52:29 -0200 (EDT)
From: Trellis <trellis@embratel.net.br>
Subject: Re: Why Power-Hungry Cards Just Won't Work / PCMCIA Fax/Modems

Have anyone had problems with 14.4 PCMCIA Fax/Modems with Cirrus Logic Chipset?

We had a strange problem reported by some customer informing that the 200LX
reported often the message "CARD BATTERY LOW" (even though the PCMCIA
Fax/Modem doesn't have a battery). The strange thing is that these same
cards worked perfectly on a 100LX. Also, there are other customers with
newer 200LX that haven't reported this problem. To us, it seems to be a
problem with a batch of 200LX, but HP say they don't know anything about this.

Cassio A. Spina

At 02:16 7/02/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I haven't seen an official figure from HP anywhere, but it's widely
>reported that the limit on the PCMCIA slot is 150 mA.  The least
>power-hungry 28.8's I've seen (from Eiger and New Media Corp.) require
>around 170 mA.  One user acknowledged in private email that use of his
>NetSurfer 28.8 resulted in flaky system behavior.  So, even a card that
>is 10-15% over spec isn't safe.  People who use these cards often
>mention that their systems run hot, but I don't think heat dissipation
>is the real issue.
>
>I haven't seen the schematics, but my guess is that the 200LX uses
>voltage doublers to develop the 5 V to supply the slot, from the AA's.
>It's been a *long* time, but I recall that voltage doublers include
>capacitors that are sized for the anticipated load.  If you exceed this
>load, the output voltage dips and waivers.  Even if the internal
>circuitry is 3.3 V, at least one doubler stage would be involved there
>(2 NiCd's develop only 2.5 V fully charged), meaning the whole system
>would be getting dirty power due to the overloaded slot.  This would
>explain the "risk of data loss" mentioned in the owner's guide; the
>internal RAM needs clean power to remain intact.
>
>Even operating on the AC adapter may not help, if the doublers are still
>involved.
>
>My conclusion is that people using 28.8's are playing with fire.
>
>                               -Jim.
>                               gonzalez@lads.is.lmco.com
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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 07:04:59 -0500
From: Ronald Oblinger <ronald@pegasus.cyberstreet.com>
Subject: Re: Virtual Cigars

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:14:21 GMT
From: Domingo Diaz-Vazquez <ddvteach@gatecoms.gatecom.com>
Subject: Re: 300LX to be announced

On 1997-02-03 peterw@clark.net said to ddvteach@gatecom.com
   >I'd consider returning it if a 4-MB version is in your budget.
   >MaxDOS, EMM, Net access software on your C drive... I wish I had
   >one. Word is the 4 MB model comes with a PC serial cable, too,
   >right?

     I was tempted to wait for the 4 meg model, but I wanted an HPLX now,
     plus I was not sure I was going to need the extra memory.   I am glad
     I did not wait.   I can run Dosshell loaded with MsWorks,
     InfoSelect, the Online Bible, LIST, and the System Manager loaded
     with an external program that takes 280k of its memory, and still I
     have about 82k of space left on drive C (I did that for fun.   I
     don't need to run all those programs at one time).  Of course I don't
     store much on drive C right now, but 2 megs appears to suffice me
     nicely for swapping space.  I just wish that the palmtop had at least
     EGA graphics and a full 286 processor (for compatibility only, the
     speed seems ok to me).

     Regards,

     Domingo

     P.S.  I did not know about the serial cable, but then I use a PCMCIA
     drive on my desktop pc.   For transfers it can't be beat.

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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 13:06:43 +0000 (GMT)
From: "Andrew.Gorrie@GECM.COM 01634 844400 ext 3113" <andrew.gorrie@gecm.com>
Subject: Re: Virtual Cigars

like to join the group in welcoming the new hp member, was it a boy or girl...

can't remember now.....sure you must of said...

anyway congrats...

setup your 123 file to map baby growth yet??

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:24:03 +0000
From: "Jason Baack" <baack@maine.maine.edu>
Subject: Re: Virtual Cigars

> My congratulations as well, but is this truly appropriate for a *palmtop*
> list?
>
>
Geeez..... you must have been a test tube baby..

Let him have his moment with the people that he deals with daily.....
If it had been me I would have posted it as well!

J,  the one who STILL has faith in the human race........


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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 09:17:23 -0500
From: Jim Gonzalez <gonzalez@lads.is.lmco.com>
Subject: Re: Modem List?

> I just spoke to HP Tech Support.  The "approved modem list" mentioned in
> the User's Guide has been discontinued, ostensibly because there are so
> many products on the market.  They now simply suggest EXP's 1414
> LXM.

I wrote "ostensibly" because the harsh reality is that there appear to
be only 3 in current production that meet the power limit: the Apex,
the EXP, and the New Media Corp. NetSurfer.  It's a mighty short list,
and all 14.4's.

> Someone (possibly in one of the newsgroups) mentioned that the Palmtop
> Paper had a list of compatible modems in the next-to-last 1996 issue.
> Was this the 5th regular issue, or the special PC Card annual that they
> produce?  Was any testing involved?

I've received no response to this, and went ahead and ordered the 1996
PC Card annual ($7.95 + $2 s&h).  It is *not* included with the 1996
back issues, by the way.

I'm hoping that the "rise of WinCE" will encourage development and/or
resumed production of lower-power modems.  Email to the WinCE
manufacturers' tech support addresses about slot power limits elicited
only one reply, in which they pled ignorance.  Even if the WinCE units
can safely drive 200+ mA cards, I expect users to press for more than 5
minutes run-time on a pair of AA's :-).

                                -Jim.
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Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 07:09:18 -0700
From: Phil Tait <Philip.Tait@phxase.allied.com>
Subject: Re: 200LX CPACK and Quicken for Windows

Colin Bosch wrote:
> Wish I'd stayed with Q4.  I could just insert my wife's PCMCIA card in
> my desktop and run CPack Merge. Then repeat for my card and I was done.
> Worked really neat - and very fast.  Oh well the current method is not
> that bad.

I read elsewhere that the PQC method does not transfer transactions that
were entered on the desktop to the palmtop's file.  Is that correct?
Sounds like a major deficiency.

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 07:29:08 -0700 (MST)
From: Nick Dolezal <sdolezal@montana.com>
Subject: Re: Hey, Look what happened...

Wanna talk about raping the market?  A VT100 emulator for the Newton is
$120!  That's not piracy bait or anything...

On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Evan Ruff wrote:

> Someone just released a TCP/IP Stack for Pilot. Price? $39.00. Can you
> believe those fools? They are selling it for $39.00 when they could rape
> the market for $80.00. Does Email too...
>
> Evan Ruff - CEO Digital Genie Studios
> http://www.geniestudio.com
>
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:49:50 -0600 (CST)
From: Alex Kraus <akraus@empros.com>
Subject: Re: Virtual Cigars

> like to join the group in welcoming the new hp member, was it a boy or girl...
>
> can't remember now.....sure you must of said...
>
> anyway congrats...
>
> setup your 123 file to map baby growth yet??

Hey man, that was a _really_ good one ! :-) ROTFL

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 10:54:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Waldren <mwaldron@ohio.net>
Subject: Re: Hey, Look what happened...

On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Nick Dolezal wrote:

> Wanna talk about raping the market?  A VT100 emulator for the Newton is
> $120!  That's not piracy bait or anything...
>
> On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Evan Ruff wrote:
>

I know, I bought it right before I became a HP convert!
Internet on the newt was TOUGH!



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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 11:19:39 EST
From: "Steve Prior" <sprior@vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Virtual Cigars

Ref:  Your note of Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:24:03 +0000 (attached)

I'd say that this does prove that he doesn't use his HP Palmtop for
everything!  :-)  Glad to hear that people have a life in the real world.
If this was a discussion group among my friends there are all sorts of good
somewhat disgusting responses that come to mind, but don't want to offend
anyone, so I'll just tell to myself :-)

I have objected personally to the huge amount of personal bandwidth that
reading this list is taking, and would like to see the list stay very
technical and maybe have other lists for marketplace buying and selling, but
of all the times I was going to get annoyed, a baby announcement wasn't
going to be one of them.

I think that this group has so much traffic that it should be broken into
a cluster of lists so we can be more selective.  The flurry of failed
unsubscribe attempts probably doesn't indicate total lack of usefulness of
the group, just inability to handle the traffic flow.

Steve






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> My congratulations as well, but is this truly appropriate for a *palmtop*
> list?
>
>
Geeez..... you must have been a test tube baby..

Let him have his moment with the people that he deals with daily.....
If it had been me I would have posted it as well!

J,  the one who STILL has faith in the human race........


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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:52:18 -0700 (MST)
From: Nick Dolezal <sdolezal@montana.com>
Subject: Re: Virtual Cigars

It's not his post I truly mind, it's all the REPLIES, which should've been
directed to him personally.

At least you guys have no problem flaming me personally!

On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Jason Baack wrote:

>
> > My congratulations as well, but is this truly appropriate for a *palmtop*
> > list?
> >
> >
> Geeez..... you must have been a test tube baby..
>
> Let him have his moment with the people that he deals with daily.....
> If it had been me I would have posted it as well!
>
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:08:56 -0500 (EST)
From: "Peter W." <peterw@clark.net>
Subject: Re: 200LX CPACK and Quicken for Windows

On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Phil Tait wrote:

> I read elsewhere that the PQC method does not transfer transactions that
> were entered on the desktop to the palmtop's file.  Is that correct?
> Sounds like a major deficiency.

True. PQC only worries about the _balance_ for each account, and to fix
that it simply puts a single entry in the PQ file to adjust the number. It
will not try to sync individual transactions, e.g if you delete a
transaction on QW, it will remain in PQ, with the adjustment entry fixing
the bottom line. It becomes very much a one-way data flow.

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 97 18:50:49 CET
From: Piernicola Comuniello <MD3608@mclink.it>
Subject: cc:MAIL

Sorry but I did not received the list for some days so maybe somebody
already replied me.

How can I configure cc:Mail to connect to my provider? They replied I
should insert as usual:

POP 3 server  mail.mclink.it
SMTP          mail.mclink.it
POP 3 user   codice abbonato

but they do not know where to insert the proper codes. Any suggestion?

Thanks in advance to everybody.
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:04:13 -0500
From: "Mitchell B. Hamm" <mitch@palmtop.net>
Subject: List comments...

>I have objected personally to the huge amount of personal bandwidth that

As always, personal objections and comments on list operation should come
directly to me and not to the list.

As for busting up the list into sub-groups, I think that is akin to
splitting up in a horror film; no good can come from it. There are only 800
or so of us which is really a small list by comparison to others. One of the
Mac lists has 37,000 members.

Up until now there has been no restriction on posting and I hope to keep it
that way. Sometimes I am surprised or confused by things that are sent to
the list, but so be it; speech is still free here. It doesn't matter how
many times I ask, people still quote whole messages to say "Great! Thanks a
lot!". People still send "unsubscribe" or worse "unsuscribe" to the list.
What can you do?

>technical and maybe have other lists for marketplace buying and selling

For sale postings: I only got a trickle of feedback when this was brought up
before. Maybe we should remove these from the list and put up a classifieds
page. I am open to suggestions...

>the group, just inability to handle the traffic flow.

Traffic flow really is not an issue on this list. It should be able to
handle much more than it does now with no ill effects.

Just my thoughts...

Mitch

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:10:13 -0500
From: "Mitchell B. Hamm" <mitch@palmtop.net>
Subject: Re: cc:MAIL

>How can I configure cc:Mail to connect to my provider? They replied I
>should insert as usual:

The built-in cc:Mail will not talk to a POP3 or SMTP server. It is designed
to talk to a cc:Mail router and nothing else. There are programs out there
to manipulate other mailbox formats into cc:Mail format so mail can be read
using the built-in app, but so far no one has done a program to POP mail off
and do the conversion in a seamless manner. Though that would be most cool. :)

Mitch

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Date: 07 Feb 97 13:13:06 EST
From: Fred Kaufman <75162.2616@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Look what happened

I suggest that folks go and buy the pilot and its web software.  It seems its
price point is more suitable for some folks.  Clearly, giving away hv in the
first place was a mistake its author will unfortunately not make again.

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 13:21:50 -0500
From: ianmel@opus.co.tt
Subject: NUPOP software

 hp>The NUPOP software as I described in earlier e-mails is now
 hp>available. It is according to our local computerpeople freeware. So
 hp>if ya wanna have a package containing a slipdriver and client
 hp>software for ftp, telnet, mailer for popmail, ping, ph, gopher and
 hp>more.
 hp>http://tnj.phys.tue.nl/users/gert/palmtop/index.html

Has anyone tried this package? The archive is pretty big (861K) and this
probably needs quite a bit of room on the drive - even for a basic
installation. Is it a reasonable alternative to say Net-Tamer?

Any comments would be appreciated.

Regards,


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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:46:01 -0700 (MST)
From: Nick Dolezal <sdolezal@montana.com>
Subject: Re: Virtual Cigars

Yeah, yeah, flame me some more why don't you?

Really, though, do we NEED fifty "congratulations" messages replied to ON
THE LIST to the lucky new father?  I hardly think so.

So, keep the flames coming!  You'll get your very own personal filter, I
guarantee it!

On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Ronald Oblinger wrote:

> Gee Whiz Nick - Get a life already!!
>

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 11:17:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Dong-Lok Kim <dong@turing.ee.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Modem List?

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On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Jim Gonzalez wrote:

> > Someone (possibly in one of the newsgroups) mentioned that the Palmtop
> > Paper had a list of compatible modems in the next-to-last 1996 issue.
> > Was this the 5th regular issue, or the special PC Card annual that they
> > produce?  Was any testing involved?
>
> I've received no response to this, and went ahead and ordered the 1996
> PC Card annual ($7.95 + $2 s&h).  It is *not* included with the 1996
> back issues, by the way.
>
>                               -Jim.
>                               gonzalez@lads.is.lmco.com

I am sorry not be prompt in replying. In fact the modem card power
consumptions were listed at

        http://member.aol.com/pdcchrisd/pccrdpwr.txt

I was at home when I saw your message and could not look up my bookmarks...

Donglok Kim
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