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Or buy a high-end "Chicken-Shack" battery charger and
insert batteries tap the start button.  It will automatically discharge
and then recharge batteries.  Does the whole thing in three hours.

(Chicken_Shack = Radio Shack)

At 10:03 PM 9/30/97 -0500, you wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Erling, Marshall N wrote:
>
>> I've heard that it is useful to discharge NiCad batteries from time to
>> time.
>> Is there an application on the LX that can accomplish this in addition
>> to charging?
>
>1)Plug HP200LX into powersupply.
>2)Remove NiCad batteries.
>3)Insert batteries into cheap flashlight.
>4)Turn on flashlight.
>5)Go away for several hours.
>6)Come back and find batteries discharged.
>
>David
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Visit http://www.ilovemusic.com  to explore music and dance!
Ear Trainer-software to improve your ear (HP 200LX or desktop PCs)
SHE--shareware Hypertext editor for HP 200 LX call or write for more info.
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I just found a HP200 so I am selling my trusty hp100.  Comes with a 10 Mb
(Compressed) HP flash card.  I am asking $125.


82 Bronco                          "A person who threatens another's life,
78 Suburbasaurous                   forfiets his own"
96 Akitas "Onslo", "Daisy"         "A coffee cup holder and a cd-rom, all
97 Akita "Sammy"                        in one"

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Im interested in your hp100 and 10mb HP Flash card. What condition is it
in? and does it have a serial cable or AC adapter?

Thanks,

Dan
driden@stlnet.com

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>
> I just found a HP200 so I am selling my trusty hp100.  Comes with a 10 Mb
> (Compressed) HP flash card.  I am asking $125.
>
>
> 82 Bronco                          "A person who threatens another's
life,
> 78 Suburbasaurous                   forfiets his own"
> 96 Akitas "Onslo", "Daisy"         "A coffee cup holder and a cd-rom, all
> 97 Akita "Sammy"                        in one"
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I grew up with Word for DOS. Changed to Windows version as soon as
it became available. Had OS/2 and now Win95 too. But I can NOT find
the blessed diskettes now that I have a flash card in my LX. Could some=
one
help???

Regards,
Paul Szilard
_____________________________________________________________________
INTERNET: pszilard @ au1.ibm.com
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At 12:28 AM 10/1/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Im interested in your hp100 and 10mb HP Flash card. What condition is it
>in? and does it have a serial cable or AC adapter?
>
The unit is in good condition.  It is just the card and the HP.
82 Bronco                          "A person who threatens another's life,
78 Suburbasaurous                   forfiets his own"
96 Akitas "Onslo", "Daisy"         "A coffee cup holder and a cd-rom, all
97 Akita "Sammy"                        in one"

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Paul Szilard wrote:
>
> I grew up with Word for DOS. Changed to Windows version as soon as
> it became available. Had OS/2 and now Win95 too. But I can NOT find
> the blessed diskettes now that I have a flash card in my LX. Could someone
> help???

Try the following link:

ftp://boxotrix.it-ias.depaul.edu/pub/abandonware/Applications/mword5/

You will also need a utility called tdisk202.zip to recreate the
original disks. This is available from the same site.

Steven English

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>>
>>I have a parrallel port hard drive in a little box that hooks into any
>>normal Parrallel port. Do any of you technical types know how it may be
>>converted to work on the LX? Maybe a PCMCIA Card that has a parrallel I/O?
>>If it can be done the Box can print through to a Parrallel printer as well.
>
>I'm currently using a Transdigital PC card parallel port for my Shark 250
>drive and it works great. The card is default configured for standard LPT1
>irq's etc. and driver install is fully configurable. Re; the power I use a
>separate adapter for the drive unit.
>
>Bill Buzan

Bill Would you happen to have any contact info for the PC card??  Where to
buy? Price? etc?

Thanks

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I'll buy them! Do you also have the connectivity kit for it, as well as the
manuals?

gerry
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On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Dan Ridenhour wrote:

> Brian, I am using an XJ2144 modem as well. I think my problem is a really
> stupid one. I have lost my Serial Cable, and had not installed the software
> driver for the modem on my HP.

I use the XJ3144 (14.4k, cellular capable) and I don't need any special
drivers other than the ones already on the LX. I had thought this was the
case for all the models (XJ1144 and XJ2144)...tho having never used them I
won't swear on it. Mine worked right out of the box.

Make sure your autoexec.bat that you use to boot up with has this line:

        d:\bin\cic100 /gen 1

This should enable your PCMCIA modem. When setting up your comm program,
refer to the modem as port Com2.

- Longden

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     Hello,

     If any of you are considering a small C compiler for the palmtop, I
     have just learned an interesting feature of PCC (Personal C Compiler,
     pcc12c.zip on www.shareware.com).  User input doesn't seem to work
     from within System Manager, but does after quitting System Manager.  I
     would recommend PCC as a small fast C tester for the palmtop with the
     understanding of this limitation. Here is the test program:

     main() {
     char buf256;

     printf("ID:");
     gets(buf);
     printf("\nID=%s\n", buf);
     }

     I hope this saves someone some time.

     Sincerely,
     Dennis Faucher
     Professional Services
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Dan Ridenhour wrote:
>
> ----------
> > From: B Biggers <biggers@GLOBALDIALOG.COM>
> > To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
> > Subject: Re: ThinFax Software
> > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 10:20 PM
> >
> > Dan Ridenhour wrote:
> > >
> > > Jeff,
> > >
> > > Ive got a question about your XJ144 modem. Are you able to use it with
> the
> > > HP without the AC adapter connected. Ive got one and it works fine on
> my
> > > notebook, but it refuses to operate on the HP. Im not sure if its
> power, or
> > > if
> > > I need a drive or what?  Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Dan
> > > driden@stlnet.com
> > >
> > >
> > Dan, I have an XJ2144 modem (14.4) that I use in my 200LX.
> > The modem works fine without an AC adapter (I don't even own
> > one!). It will drain a pair of AA alkaline batts. in about 40
> > minutes on line though. Is the XJ2144 the modem that you are talking
> > about?
> > -Bryan
>
> Brian, I am using an XJ2144 modem as well. I think my problem is a really
> stupid one. I have lost my Serial Cable, and had not installed the software
> driver for the modem on my HP.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
> driden@stlnet.com
>
>

Hi Dan,
    On my HP200, I didn't have to install any drivers (other than the
normal CIC driver that came with the HP)
for the modem to work. It just did!  I do know that there were at least
2 versions of the XJ2144 modem
produced; there was a lot of discussion about this in the apple newton
groups because at least one
of the versions didn't work in the newt. Something about some having
little gold bars on them and
some not. Mine has the "gold bars" on the edge, and it did work in my
newton (which I traded away for
an HP48GX), and does work very nicely in the HP.  My memory might be
faulty about the exact details,
you could use deja news to examine the old newton groups if you liked.
-Bryan

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On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Dennis Faucher wrote:

>      If any of you are considering a small C compiler for the palmtop, I
>      have just learned an interesting feature of PCC (Personal C Compiler,
>      pcc12c.zip on www.shareware.com).  User input doesn't seem to work
>      from within System Manager, but does after quitting System Manager.  I
>      would recommend PCC as a small fast C tester for the palmtop with the
>      understanding of this limitation. Here is the test program:
>
>      main() {
>      char buf256;
>
>      printf("ID:");
>      gets(buf);
>      printf("\nID=%s\n", buf);
>      }
>
>      I hope this saves someone some time.

I checked out several small C compilers a couple of weeks ago with the
help of several people in this group (thanks again). I needed an ANSI C
compiler for a class.

For a small bare bones and inexpensive C compiler, I would recommend
anyone look at Mix Software's Power C. At $20 (+ $5 shipping), it's a good
buy and fully (they claim) ANSI compliant. The price includes a book that
not only acts as a user guide but as a very good C language reference and
tutorial (IMHO the book alone is worth the price).

My installation takes up just over 1mb.

Check them out at http://www.mixsoftware.com/product/powerc.htm

BTW, I ran Dennis' sample program and it worked OK using Power C from
within Sys Mgr. Also, PCC is shareware (not freeware) and I believe the
cost of Power C is less than the registration for PCC....plus PCC isn't
ANSI compliant nor does it come with many of the include libraries.

- Longden

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This is the one I'm looking for.
Called Station 100 which can be seen at

 http://www.sparcom.com/davinci/st100.htm

Let me know if you have one 4sale.
Thanks
Mark

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Is there any problem with keeping AA Nicad batteries in a charger at all times? I have a charger that has batteries in it all the time which allows me to have a pair available at a moments notice.
Also, I rarely change my 200LX batteries as I periodically charge overnight. (never a problem).
This is why the discussion about batteries and charging is not of interest to me when I see it on this list. What are your thoughts regarding my habits?
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hi everyone !

anyone have installed the memory upgrade (8mb's total) from times2tech,
by yourself ?

it's difficult ?, i've to do it by my own, cause i'm leaving in
argentina, but i want to kwon first, if it's difficult to do the mount
soldering

thanks !


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Only if the charger will revert to "trickle" charge when the cells are
fully charged.  NiCads don't like being overcharged.

>----------
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>
>Is there any problem with keeping AA Nicad batteries in a charger at all
times? <SNIP>

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>Bill Would you happen to have any contact info for the PC card??  Where to
>buy? Price? etc?
>
>Thanks
>
>Russell

I bought direct from Transdigital and I think that's the only way they sell.
I'm sure its around the house but I think you'll be better off asking Hal et
al. of Palmtop Paper or maybe NSW. Transdigital advertises with them and I
know they've moved since I bought mine. I beleive they moved from Sacramento
to Fremont CA.

Hope this helps.

Bill Buzan

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On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Phil Drummond wrote:

> Only if the charger will revert to "trickle" charge when the cells are
> fully charged.  NiCads don't like being overcharged.
>
> >From:  Ken A. MooreSMTP:KenAMoore@OMNITRAINING.COM

> >Is there any problem with keeping AA Nicad batteries in a charger at all
> times? <SNIP>

I have the Costco Panasonic NiCads (1100mAh, 4 batteries + charger),

Does anyone know if the provided charger is "smart"?

I.e., if I inadvertently put fully charged NiCads in the charger, will the
charger detect this and shut off the juice (or turn it down to trickle)
....or will they fry? I don't have anything I can use to test the current
during the charging.

I haven't been using it since I mostly charge in the LX overnight, but I
was wondering in case I ever needed to use the charger...

- Longden

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HP>Dan Ridenhour wrote:
HP>>
HP>> Jeff,
HP>>
HP>> Ive got a question about your XJ144 modem. Are you able to use it with the
HP>> HP without the AC adapter connected. Ive got one and it works fine on my
HP>> notebook, but it refuses to operate on the HP. Im not sure if its power, o
HP>> if
HP>> I need a drive or what?  Any ideas?
HP>>
HP>> Thanks,
HP>>
HP>> Dan
HP>> driden@stlnet.com
HP>>
HP>>
HP>Dan, I have an XJ2144 modem (14.4) that I use in my 200LX.
HP>The modem works fine without an AC adapter (I don't even own
HP>one!). It will drain a pair of AA alkaline batts. in about 40
HP>minutes on line though. Is the XJ2144 the modem that you are talking
HP>about?
HP>-Bryan

I've a pair of 1400 nimh batteries, so i can be online for almost 3
hours (at full charge), so when i want to discharge them, i set the
autopower off time (with timeout.exe) to a very high level, and then i
run a game like tetris or grand prix that use a lot of battery, in demo
mode.

when they are completely empty, they take at least 15 hours to be fully
charged again


Note: if you use your palmtop often, this is just not practical, cause
the batteries will be out of service for almost 15 hours, so i recommend
to you, charge batteries during night, and have an extra pair of
batteries always fresh (just in case).... :)

martin
marseb@giga.com.ar

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From:         Jim Gonzalez <gonzalez@LADS.IS.LMCO.COM>
Subject:      Re: battery discharge utility?
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:18:03 PDT."
              <Pine.SUN.3.95.971001111140.16319A-100000@world.northgrum.com>

Longden Loo wrote:

> I have the Costco Panasonic NiCads (1100mAh, 4 batteries + charger),
>
> Does anyone know if the provided charger is "smart"?

I recall a Usenet article by Mike Schuster that characterized that charger
as "dumb".

> I.e., if I inadvertently put fully charged NiCads in the charger, will the
> charger detect this and shut off the juice (or turn it down to trickle)
> ....or will they fry? I don't have anything I can use to test the current
> during the charging.

He wrote that it pumps current into the batteries for a fixed amount of
time, regardless of battery state.


                                -Jim.

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You can't do it yourself; they won't sell it as a kit.  It has to be
sent to Time2Tech for the upgrade (but you CAN get the 5/6MB upgrade=
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a kit.)

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     Hello All,

     I have been having "NEWS/LX: PANIC: Can't open .\News.MSG" problems
     with NEWS/LX from D&A Software which a few of you were good nice
     enough to offer suggestions to fix.  Today Avi from D&A sent me a
     different NEWS.EXE dated 5/31/97 that solved the problem.  Praises to
     Avi and a solution to others that may be having the same problem.

     Sincerely,
     Dennis Faucher
     Professional Services
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     Burlington, MA
     (617) 221-5090
     dennis_faucher@hp.com

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On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, David Sargeant wrote:

> I have gotten INTERSVR to run under Windows 95, in a DOS box, before.
> It disables multitasking, though, until you exit (with ALT-F4).
>
> It gives me errors about the com ports which are in use (such as mouse,
> and modem port) and then disables multitasking.  Just make sure that,
> in the properties for that program, MS-DOS mode is unchecked.  If
> you're daring, go ahead and check the "Prevent MS-DOS programs from
> detecting Windows" button.  Then you'll be able to multitask.  But I
> don't know how well it'll work.

Thanks for that tip.

I'll add that when running Interlnk on the LX and Intersvr on the desktop
(Win95), the LX has problems accessing the desktop drives from Filer (and
from several other apps).

It looks like in those cases, SysMgr interferes unless 1) you're running
from an icon with the inverted ! in the Comments field, or 2) you're
running a MaxDOS application or 3) you're in DOS and out of SysMgr
entirely. This isn't a problem for me...maybe something for others to
watch out for tho.

- Longden

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HP>You can't do it yourself; they won't sell it as a kit.  It has to be
HP>sent to Time2Tech for the upgrade (but you CAN get the 5/6MB upgrade as
HP>a kit.)

   and that kit.....can i install by myself ?, or i have to do mount
soldering too ?

   the problem is....that i love my palmtop too much !! i'm worried
about... :)

martin

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I'm having a problem getting News/LX to download any articles.  All=
 I
want is comp.sys.palmtops, which I think I have configured properly=
 in
READER.CFG.  Yet when I run News, it just drops me back to the DOS
prompt.  Mine is dated 5-26-97, so it's not the one with the PANIC
error.  Anybody got any suggestions?

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It depends on which style palmtop you have.  A 2MB model from late 95
on will have to have a socket soldered in.  An earlier 2MB model won't,
but it will only be upgradeable to 5MB.

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Per Palmtop Papers:

TransDigital Corp.
39210 State Street, Suite 105
Fremont, CA 94538

Phone:  510-745-9777

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Jim,
        I don't think the dos version is available retail.  You might find it at a
computer show.
        Ron

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> From: Jim Saklad <jsaklad@WELCHLINK.WELCH.JHU.EDU>
> To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
> Subject: Re: Route Planning / Mapping Software?
> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 11:39 PM
>
> On Sun, 28 Sep 1997, Ron Beckley wrote:
>
> > I use the DOS version of Automap on my HP200.  I run it off a 10 meg.
> > card.  I reduce the program down to essential files and it takes up
> > approx. 2.7 meg.  Runs much faster than Automap Trip Planner under
> > Windows 95 with a 486/75.
>
> Is the DOS version still available?
>
> --
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Does anyone have info on the HP F1027A docking station for the 100LX

Check 1, 2,...  Jeffcom.

At 10:12 AM 10/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>This is the one I'm looking for.
>Called Station 100 which can be seen at
>
> http://www.sparcom.com/davinci/st100.htm
>
>Let me know if you have one 4sale.
>Thanks
>Mark
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> Incidentally, the best way to completely discharge NiCads is
> individually. Completely discharging the cells in groups results in
> the weakest cell being subjected to reverse voltage. You can get
> single AA cell holders at RadioShack, wire them each to separate
> bulbs (in sockets) put in your NiCads, and let 'em run down. After
> this conditioning, you'll usually find that they'll charge to a
> somewhat higher voltage, and give longer use.

You could also wire each of the cell holders to 5 watt resistors,
which I've been using for rechargeable batteries used in my torch,
HP100LX and digital clock. The resistance you choose depends on the
voltage and rate of heat dissipated.
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Does anyone know of a HP48 emulator that will run on the 200LX?  If not
a HP48, then what about another well known graphing calculator.  I tried
the TI85 emulator on mine but it uses MCGA (256-color) mode and would
not run.  I downloaded the HP48 emulator (Emu48) but it is 32-bit and
wouldn't work on my desktop computer.  I also downloaded the TI92
emulator but don't have the ROM code.  Can anyone help?  I would really
appreciate it.

-Jeremy

PS:  I will update my site ASAP!  I have been really busy lately and
couldn't finish by last week.  I'll post when I update it.

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> I'm having a problem getting News/LX to download any articles.  All =
I
> want is comp.sys.palmtops, which I think I have configured properly =
in
> READER.CFG.  Yet when I run News, it just drops me back to the DOS

How do you try to run NEWS? What does it say before it exits?

Andreas D&A

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Martin,

NiMH batteries don't need to be discharged. The so called memory effect
that decreases the capacity only appears at NiCd batteries. You can
recharge your NiMH batteries regardles of their state.

BTW: How do you feel works the LX together with these batteries? Is the
charge indicator working correctly?

Ruediger



>
> I've a pair of 1400 nimh batteries, so i can be online for almost 3
> hours (at full charge), so when i want to discharge them, i set the
> autopower off time (with timeout.exe) to a very high level, and then i
> run a game like tetris or grand prix that use a lot of battery, in demo
> mode.
>
> when they are completely empty, they take at least 15 hours to be fully
> charged again
>
> Note: if you use your palmtop often, this is just not practical, cause
> the batteries will be out of service for almost 15 hours, so i recommend
> to you, charge batteries during night, and have an extra pair of
> batteries always fresh (just in case).... :)
>
> martin
> marseb@giga.com.ar
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Hi

I am having trouble getting into my news groups. My internet provider is
mindspring, and mindspring requires a password to get into news groups. I
cannot find any place in POST/LX to input a password. Can anyone help?


Thanks



Tom Fitz

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Does anyone know of any support groups or newsgroups on the net that support ACT! HP
Palmtop?

If not, is there any interest in setting something up?

Thanks.
______________________________________________

  "Michael Stocker" <mdstockr@neo.lrun.com>
           10/2/97 8:50:27 AM EDT
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Andreas Garzotto wrote:

> How do you try to run NEWS? What does it say before it exits?

I have it configured so it runs WWW, then runs D:\DOS\COMMAND.COM so it
drops me to a prompt.  That way, I can run POST, READER, HV, or whatever,
then type EXIT when I want to hangup.  So I just run NEWS and it says,

Groups defined in READER.CFG

Get Grouplist: No
File: \GROUPLST.DAT
Groups: 0

And drops me back to the prompt.
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I was wondering if there was a SUPER-like page for all kind of LX data (like on Stacker
on your flashdisk, where to find XT warez, etcetc.....) That would be pretty useful for a lot
of people I believe.

If it doesn't exist, I wouldn't mind trying to type out the data I accumilated onto a page, if I
can figure out how to do the page in the first place.....

BTW, does anyone know how to stack the RAMDISK ( C: ) of the palmtop? Many
people talk about stacking the flashdisk, but how about the C:? JAM and DIET seems
to be able to gen a file which, with the driver loaded, looks like another drive letter.

I got Stacker v4.0, but I am wondering if an install of it on the C: would be possible. A
16Meg (8meg upgrade X2) C: would be VERY useful.

Hope someone can help.
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I couldn't find a picture of this item, nor could I find a price....
Anyone have these details?  How could a business overlook such things!?

.M

        -----Original Message-----
        From:   Mark Sailer SMTP:msailer@ML.COM
        Sent:   Wednesday, October 01, 1997 7:13 AM
        Subject:        WTB: Docking Stations

        This is the one I'm looking for.
        Called Station 100 which can be seen at

         http://www.sparcom.com/davinci/st100.htm

        Let me know if you have one 4sale.
        Thanks
        Mark

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From:         "Ken A. Moore" <KenAMoore@OMNITRAINING.COM>
Subject:      Newsgroups

I have observed that many of us on this list work in the electronics manufacturing industry.
I hope I am not violating protocol by asking this question, but does anyone know of a good newsgroup which deals with the subject of electronics engineering or manufacturing? I came across a couple references on DejaNews but the references were incomplete. I am on a business trip and am using my 200LX for all e-mail and web browsing.
The references I had are:
sci.engr.manufactur
and
sci.electronics.des
It would be appreciated if anyone has the complete references or can make a recommendation. My interest is in the area of SMT and soldering.
Thanks,
Ken Moore
Training Manager
Omni Training Corp
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I recall an article in The Palmtop Paper about stacking the C: drive.  I
think it had something to do with creating a partition on a desktop hard
drive of exactly so-many (can't recall the exact spects) bytes, then
doing a "stack" to that partition and transfering the resultant
configuration to the palmtop.  Look in your back copies, or perhaps
someone with that copy on the table next to them will do a "reprint" for
you.  Good luck!

Phil

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>
><snip>
>BTW, does anyone know how to stack the RAMDISK ( C: ) of the palmtop? Many
>people talk about stacking the flashdisk, but how about the C:? JAM and DIET
>seems
>to be able to gen a file which, with the driver loaded, looks like another
>drive letter.
>
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I'm also a big user in Act 1.1.1 for HPPalmtop and Use the Act on my PC..
I could help you if you are having any problems w/the 2 programs!!!
Thanks!!
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Date: Thursday, October 02, 1997 11:47 AM
Subject: ACT! HP Palmtop Support?

>Does anyone know of any support groups or newsgroups on the net that
support ACT! HP
>Palmtop?
>
>If not, is there any interest in setting something up?
>
>Thanks.
>______________________________________________
>
>  "Michael Stocker" <mdstockr@neo.lrun.com>
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try
ftp://ftp.stac.com/pub/support/stacker/dos/stacud.exe

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> I am having trouble getting into my news groups. My internet provider =
is
> mindspring, and mindspring requires a password to get into news groups. =
I
> cannot find any place in POST/LX to input a password. Can anyone =
help?

The current version of POST/LX does not support authentication in
newsgroups (I believe that this feature is very new and did not even =
exist
when POST/LX was launched). The author of NEWS.EXE is aware of the
authentication thing that now seems to become more and more common.

Andreas D&A

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> And drops me back to the prompt.

This sounds to me as if you did not have selected any newsgroups to
visit. When you start READER, is there a triangle in front of the
newsgroups that should be visited (toggle with space bar) and is the
read mode something else than "-"?

Andreas D&A

PS: I do it the same way: WWW/LX drops to COMMAND.COM and from there =
I
can do everything.

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> Does anyone know of any support groups or newsgroups on the net that =
support ACT! HP
> Palmtop?
>
> If not, is there any interest in setting something up?

Count me in Michael! If you turn anything up please let me know.

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> I have it configured so it runs WWW, then runs D:\DOS\COMMAND.COM =
so it
> drops me to a prompt.  That way, I can run POST, READER, HV, or whatever=
,
> then type EXIT when I want to hangup.  So I just run NEWS and it =
says,
>
> Groups defined in READER.CFG
>
> Get Grouplist: No
> File: \GROUPLST.DAT
> Groups: 0

I know that andreas will perhaps also reply to you but here are my =
2
cents worth: I believe that what you have described is an unusual way
of running the program. However it can work if you have setup the
groups correctly but instead of running news directly use reader
instead.

NEWS is an offline reader and you must first setup the groups of
interest to you then tell it which groups you wish to visit and how
you wish to receive the msgs (headers only or entire msgs). Filters
may also be applied here to permit you to get only those which you
wish to read as well as place selected msgs in their appropriate
folder. All this is easily done from reader and/or setup.

When you are ready to go online (remember to select the group/s to
visit by ensuring that a right-arrow appears next to them in reader)
reader will launch NEWS, carry out your requests, hangup and return
you to reader.

If you see 'get grouplist=3Dno' and 'groups=3D0' then the program has =
not
been instructed to do anything and will not attempt to dial...

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Ken A. Moore wrote:

> I came across a couple references on DejaNews but the references were incomplete. I am on a business trip and am using my 200LX for all e-mail and web browsing.
> The references I had are:
> sci.engr.manufactur
> and
> sci.electronics.des
> It would be appreciated if anyone has the complete references or can make a recommendation. My interest is in the area of SMT and soldering.
> Thanks,
> Ken Moore
> Training Manager
> Omni Training Corp
> http://www.OmniTraining.com



info.ietf.smtp
sci.electronics
sci.electronics.basics
sci.electronics.cad
sci.electronics.components
sci.electronics.design
sci.electronics.equipment
sci.electronics.misc
sci.electronics.repair
sci.engr.electrical.compliance
sci.engr.manufacturing
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Still haven"t found the pc-sig files anywhere but did find an index of
their programs/disks at ftp://ftp.tamu.edu/pub/pc-sig.


Phil Godden

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You can also count me in the Act Group!!!
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From: Ian Melville <ianmel@OPUS.CO.TT>
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Date: Thursday, October 02, 1997 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: ACT! HP Palmtop Support?

> Does anyone know of any support groups or newsgroups on the net that
support ACT! HP
> Palmtop?
>
> If not, is there any interest in setting something up?

Count me in Michael! If you turn anything up please let me know.

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At 08:26 AM 10/2/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I couldn't find a picture of this item, nor could I find a price....
>Anyone have these details?  How could a business overlook such things!?
>
>.M
I don't have a picture, but...

|Return-Path: <sales@sparcom.com>
|Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:25:05 -0700
|From: sales@sparcom.com (Paul Nelson)
|Subject: Re: Station 100
|
|Thank you for writing.  Yes, the Station100 is a unit providing serial
|connection to your PC and includes cable and AC adapter.  The other units we
|unfortunately do not make any longer but provided a parallel converter and a
|modem.
|
|The Station100 can be ordered with ($99.95) or without ($79.95) connectivity
|software.  Let me know how we can help you further.
|
|Sincerely,
|Paul


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> Try the following link:
>
> ftp://boxotrix.it-ias.depaul.edu/pub/abandonware/Applications/mword5/
>
> You will also need a utility called tdisk202.zip to recreate the
> original disks. This is available from the same site.

I looked and looked for tdisk202.zip but couldn't see it. Nothing
new<G>. Strange how all those *.td0 files insist on downloading as =
text
and then when I tell Netscape to save then to a file it goes away and
gets them again. I couldn't find any way around that.

I also got a couple of other items from that site and they had
"corrupt" files.. I forgot the exact error ("packed data corrupt" or
something).

So far I've only got 2 of the WORD files. I wonder if anybody has
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I too would like to know how to set-up Stacker on my C drive. I have the
necessary files, but no documentation :-( Can anyone tell me the
straightforward way to set it up?

73 de KF4KGQ
Jeff Johns
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    **This message was sent via UNIX, PINE and an HP200LX Palmtop PC !!!**

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In Post/LX everytime i run setup i get a message that says:
Cannot Find config. file data
I touch enter and the setup program appears to then operate ok.
  any clues as to what this means and how I can keep it from appearing?
thanks
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I have been writing documents using the memo feature of the HP200LX and
then transferring them to my laptop using Transfile 200. I then open
these text files using notepad. I have the memo options set for 80
characters max width.

It appears that when the text wraps in memo that this generates a soft
return which is not recognized when I open the file in notepad.

Does anyone know a way to have a hard return at the end of each line
without manually going to each line and entering one?
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You can print to file.

--- On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:59:40 -0600  Tom Lange <tclange@USWEST.COM> wrote:

>I have been writing documents using the memo feature of the HP200LX and
>then transferring them to my laptop using Transfile 200. I then open
>these text files using notepad. I have the memo options set for 80
>characters max width.
>
>It appears that when the text wraps in memo that this generates a soft
>return which is not recognized when I open the file in notepad.
>
>Does anyone know a way to have a hard return at the end of each line
>without manually going to each line and entering one?
>--
>Tom Lange
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No.

It's just that Symantec has stopped all support for ACT! DOS and ACT! HP Palmtop and I
am trying to see if there is any interest in setting some other support resource like
a list or newsgroup.

--- On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:43:29 -0400  "John R. Doyle" <JD@HUBLABELS.COM> wrote:

>I'm also a big user in Act 1.1.1 for HPPalmtop and Use the Act on my PC..
>I could help you if you are having any problems w/the 2 programs!!!
>Thanks!!
>
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> I too would like to know how to set-up Stacker on my C drive. I have the
> necessary files, but no documentation :-( Can anyone tell me the
> straightforward way to set it up?
>
There are two basic methods:

1) Create a STACVOL on your desktop machine that will just fit on
your C:\ (i.e. total LX memory-640kB-necessary drivers...) then
transfer it to the LX via TRANSFILE, ACELink,etc... This procedure is
outlined on the STAC WWW site ( I believe the URL was already posted)

2) Copy the STACker creation files to a FLASH disk & create the
STACVOL "in-situ" as you would normally on a desk/lap top. This
method is outlined in the archives of the list on Mitch's site
WWW.PALMTOP.NET. Do a GLIMPSE search for "STACKER v4." and look for a
message from Ian Melville.

If you have trouble, send me a private EMail & I'll walk you thru it.
I would not recommend compression unless you have a 2x machine w/ 2mB
or more, as you will want to use some of your C:\ for EMS to load the
STACker.com.

Cheers,
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I had been frustrated by the need to take a laptop on many of my trips
due to the length of faxes and email that I had to write (combined with
the typing "by the thumbs" method that seems to work best on the HPLX).=

I saw the posting about the Newton Keyboard on the SUPER page and gave
it a try.  Instead of splicing an 8 pin mini din on an HP serial cable,
I made a 4 inch patch cable with an 8 pin mini din on one end and a=
 9
pin serial on the other.  Now I carry the HP in my coat pocket during
the day and when I get to my hotel room at night i connect the Newton
keyboard and touch type lengthy documents to my heart's content.  I
really find that it has made it completely unnecessary to carry a
notebook computer any longer.  The keyboard must weigh 6 oz or less=
 and
fits neatly in a pocket in the top of my briefcase.  For those of you
who travel a lot this is (INHO) a life-saver.
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>
> I looked and looked for tdisk202.zip but couldn't see it. Nothing
> new<G>. Strange how all those *.td0 files insist on downloading as text
> and then when I tell Netscape to save then to a file it goes away and
> gets them again. I couldn't find any way around that.
>
> I also got a couple of other items from that site and they had
> "corrupt" files.. I forgot the exact error ("packed data corrupt" or
> something).
>
> So far I've only got 2 of the WORD files. I wonder if anybody has
> actually installed it and whether it works?
>
> Regards, Tony
>
To get the tdisk202.zip file you have to go up the tree until you
find the main directory. The file is under the "utils" subdirectory.
I don=B4t know much about the subject but I suppose that the program
that made the disk images tansformed the disks in ASCII text.

Regarding corrupt files the "Utils1" disk was corrupt with me also.
This is the disk that has the setup.exe, so I had to install Word
manually just by copying files and losting some features in the
procedure. For instance: bold, underline, and so on, don`t show in
the palmtop screen but otherwise it is working.

I've already put it to use. I'm writing a manual to my students and I
begun Chapter 4 in the palmtop. Later I'll transfer the file to the
desktop, format it with Word for Windows and embbed the tables and
graphics. This way I`m able to write the text wherever I am, while
waiting for lunch, in the cab, etc. and not only when I=B4m at my desk.

What could we do without our 200LX?

greetings.

Antonio



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Excuse the stupid sound of this (no ISP at this time) but what software
is required on the HP to support the external keyboard?  Is it limited
to DOS only sessions, or (with obvious key marking exceptions) does it
work when the System Manager is running?

Phil

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I had been frustrated<carefull snip>

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->I recall an article in The Palmtop Paper about stacking the C: drive.

I did stack my C: drive for some time ao as to have sufficient space for
software Carousel, but have unstacked it because it really slows things
down and was therefore not worth it in my opinion.

As I remember the instructions that came with the ACE card (containing
Stacker) did not work and I wasted a lot of time trying unsuccessfully.  I
finally got instructions from ACE that did work.  The instructions that
did work for me were:

1. Backup all your files from the C: drive.  Then delete all directories
and files on your C: drive, including hidden files.

(Dos Command:   d:\dos\attrib -S -H -R c:\_dat\*.* to "unhide them" after
which you can delete them.)

2. add the following 2 lines to your config.sys on the flash card:

device=c:\stacker.com a: /p=0
device=c:\stacvol.ace /p=0

(note that there is a space after stacker.com and stacvol.ace and that p=0
(zero))

3. From filer, launch INSTALL.COM which comes with ACE's stacker software
and run the option to select option to double ram.

As mentioned I do not think it is worth it, but that is what did it for
me.

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> I have been writing documents using the memo feature of the HP200LX =
and
> then transferring them to my laptop using Transfile 200..
> It appears that when the text wraps in memo that this generates a =
soft
> return which is not recognized when I open the file in notepad.

Tom, you could have memo print your doc to a file but sometimes printer
codes get into the file also. Another good way is to use an editor =
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Subject:      Re: ACT! HP Palmtop Support?

I would welcome a place to discuss ACT! for Palmtops.  I bought ACT! 2.X
for DOS to go along with my palmtop ACT!  I have had it for a while but am
dragging my feet in making a change from my old contact manager.  There are
some things I like, but some features I really miss from the other program.

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Subject:        ACT! HP Palmtop Support?

Does anyone know of any support groups or newsgroups on the net that
support ACT! HP
Palmtop?

If not, is there any interest in setting something up?

Thanks.
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> ... and touch type lengthy documents to my heart's content.
> ... The keyboard must weigh 6 oz or les

Yes! This would also make the hplx perfect for lectures.

Can you all advise the best price for a Newton keyboard? I'm willing to
buy mail order internationally (tho I'm in Australia).


Thanks!
PS does the Newton make any significant impact on the battery life?

Brendan

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Has anyone received their HP Palmtop Paper issue for Sept-Oct?


Have a good one!
Owen Samuelson  KU4ET
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> Has anyone received their HP Palmtop Paper issue for Sept-Oct?
>
Just got mine in the mail today!
It includes the PC Card Review Supplement

Ken Lewis
kdlewis@top.net

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<< The keyboard must weigh 6 oz or less and
fits neatly in a pocket in the top of my briefcase.  For those of you
who travel a lot this is (INHO) a life-saver.>>

The keyboard is 8 to 9 ounces. I also agree it is great to have an
alternative to thumbs typing. I've been banging away alot lately.

For those who don't want to go to the bother of creating a cable and
downloading the software, Shier Systems & Software has created a complete=

solution as a service to the palmtop community. We began shipping the fir=
st
units this week. Inquiries can now be directed to info@shier.com.

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<<Excuse the stupid sound of this (no ISP at this time) but what software=

is required on the HP to support the external keyboard?  Is it limited
to DOS only sessions, or (with obvious key marking exceptions) does it
work when the System Manager is running?>>

No question is stupid. You need a driver which is a file that is a little=

under 5K in size called NTKEY2LX.COM. It'll work with System Manager
running or with Software Carosel. Depends on when it's loaded during the
autoexec.bat file. There have been some problems reported  with switching=

under Software Carosel.

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> I've already put it to use. I'm writing a manual to my students and =
I
> begun Chapter 4 in the palmtop. Later I'll transfer the file to the
> desktop, format it with Word for Windows and embbed the tables and
> graphics. This way I`m able to write the text wherever I am, while
> waiting for lunch, in the cab, etc. and not only when I=B4m at my =
desk.

I use word for windows on my 200lx and can do all these things you
mention right on the palmtop - and a whole lot more! It is amazing
just how many features were available in the first release of this
program back in Nov-89! I also have the speller, thesaurus and all =
the
other trimmings. The thesaurus for example not only gives you synonyms
but also the *various definitions* of the selected word (noun, adj.
etc)..

This is but one of the things that micro$oft is gonna have to really
stash if it intends to have success with winCE :-)

> What could we do without our 200LX?

I know just what you mean... <g>

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I know that the question of batteries seem to be coming up quite often
but I guess that's because they are so very important. This discussion
involves what seems to be two conflicting schools of thought regarding
recharging batteries (in the palmtop using monitoring software) and
the manufacturer's recommendation for recharging.

On the one hand we have battery charging software that monitors the
batteries' recharge curve (voltage against time). Initially the rate
of increase is fast, gradually tapering off and eventually levelling
off at a 'stall' voltage. A very slow rate of increase or a 'stalled'
voltage signals that the batteries have received all the charging they
need and further charging could damage or overheat them. This point
can be determined by the software and is usually reached in about 8hrs
or less using one of the leading battery charging programs for a
typical set of 1200mah cells. This sounds reasonable.

On the other hand that *same* set of cells may carry on their label:
'standard charge: 14hrs at 120ma' which seems to suggest that 8hrs =
is
insufficient time to fully recharge them. Taking into consideration
that the batteries' voltage no longer increases after about the first
6 hrs. of charging (which the manufacturer must know) a further 8 hrs
of fast charging is still recommended! This means that the stall
voltage must be maintained for a prolonged period in order to acheive
full charge and that the resulting overheating (if any) is acceptable?

All this is pretty confusing if you ask me and leaves the user not
knowing which recipe to follow.

Anyone has any comments or observations to add to this?

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I have pulled other files from the Trixter and found them to be fine, and
I too did not find the utility till I stubled on it (after e-mailing the
webmaster...).
I'm not sure what your text-save problem is nor the packed data thing,
but I have to warn you that you need a 5.25" disk drive to re-create the
original installation disks from those files...
Check his FAQ for more info...
Jay

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After a long wait I finally got the Newton
keyboard modified for use with the HP200LX.
I got it from Shier Systems.  It works great.
It comes with the special driver needed on
diskette with a one page "job aid" to help
you install the driver and get up and running.

The difficult part is connecting it--you have
to plug it in to the serial port.

(just kidding) The cable is custom made to
plug in directly to the HP serial port.

When you are done using the Newton
keyboard you can just unplug it.
When you want it again, just plug it in.

However, if you need to use the serial
port, you have to deactive the keyboard
by pressing a hotkey on the HP200 LX.

You can then reactive it by pressing
a hotkey.

A minor bug seems to be that the
DOS prompt may no longer show
current subdirectory after you run the
Shier install program.  You can
fix that by adding:

   prompt $p$g

to the AUTOEXEC.BAT as modified
by the Shier install program.

In the old days, we used to have to
add the $p$g ourselves!

The keyboard comes with a nice black case
with a tiny Newton icon etched into it.

I was delighted to find that the regular
keyboard also continues to work when
you activate the Newton keyboard driver.
So you can use the special HP keys to
access various programs and then "wail
away" with the Newton once you are inside
the notepad or whatever.

On the reverse side of the keyboard is
a nice little job aid that tells you how
to emulate the Function Keys, which
don't appear on the Newton.

The readme file on diskette goes into great deal
about the driver and the various ways
to emulate the HP 200LX special keys
if you want to.

The feel of the keyboard is pretty good.
You can touch type on it and type pretty fast.

I plan to write my next book on my HP 200LX
thanks to the Newton and thanks to Shier Systems!

The keyboard is quite light and small--but not
too small.  You can slip it into a inside coat pocket.

You can modify the Newton cable yourself if
you are into that sort of thing and you can get
the driver on the SUPER web site.  Directions
on how to modify the cable are included in
the readme file.





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How much was the Newton keyboard kit?

karl
At 09:12 PM 10/2/97 -0700, you wrote:
>After a long wait I finally got the Newton
>keyboard modified for use with the HP200LX.
>I got it from Shier Systems.  It works great.
>It comes with the special driver needed on
>diskette with a one page "job aid" to help
>you install the driver and get up and running.
>
>The difficult part is connecting it--you have
>to plug it in to the serial port.
>
>(just kidding) The cable is custom made to
>plug in directly to the HP serial port.
>
>When you are done using the Newton
>keyboard you can just unplug it.
>When you want it again, just plug it in.
>
>However, if you need to use the serial
>port, you have to deactive the keyboard
>by pressing a hotkey on the HP200 LX.
>
>You can then reactive it by pressing
>a hotkey.
>
>A minor bug seems to be that the
>DOS prompt may no longer show
>current subdirectory after you run the
>Shier install program.  You can
>fix that by adding:
>
>   prompt $p$g
>
>to the AUTOEXEC.BAT as modified
>by the Shier install program.
>
>In the old days, we used to have to
>add the $p$g ourselves!
>
>The keyboard comes with a nice black case
>with a tiny Newton icon etched into it.
>
>I was delighted to find that the regular
>keyboard also continues to work when
>you activate the Newton keyboard driver.
>So you can use the special HP keys to
>access various programs and then "wail
>away" with the Newton once you are inside
>the notepad or whatever.
>
>On the reverse side of the keyboard is
>a nice little job aid that tells you how
>to emulate the Function Keys, which
>don't appear on the Newton.
>
>The readme file on diskette goes into great deal
>about the driver and the various ways
>to emulate the HP 200LX special keys
>if you want to.
>
>The feel of the keyboard is pretty good.
>You can touch type on it and type pretty fast.
>
>I plan to write my next book on my HP 200LX
>thanks to the Newton and thanks to Shier Systems!
>
>The keyboard is quite light and small--but not
>too small.  You can slip it into a inside coat pocket.
>
>You can modify the Newton cable yourself if
>you are into that sort of thing and you can get
>the driver on the SUPER web site.  Directions
>on how to modify the cable are included in
>the readme file.
>
>
>
>
>
>Visit http://www.ilovemusic.com  to explore music and dance!
>Ear Trainer-software to improve your ear (HP 200LX or desktop PCs)
>SHE--shareware Hypertext editor for HP 200 LX call or write for more info.
>MASTERY--shareware program to help you master any subject!
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If you are going to format the file on your desktop later, why
bother with Word on the HP200LX?

I love the built-in notepad myself--It is so easy to create notes about
this and that and search from them if you forget the description line.

You can save the files to disk when you are ready and still import them
into any decent word processor.

By the way, if anyone likes to make hypertext jumps from one
text file to another, I have shareware editor available called  SHE.

A nice feature is it keeps track of the cursor location in *all* of
the files you have worked on and you can jump to that location
in any file quite easily.

See a file referenced while reading another file?  Want to
go to it?  Put the cursor on the filename and press a hot key.
SHE will jump into it.  Want to go back to the first file?  Press Esc.
Want to jump to some file you edited yesterday?  Press a function
key to display a list of all files you've edited.  Select the file and
press enter.  You edit two file side-by-side, or press a hot key to zoom
one of the files to full screen.  Limitation: SHE is limited to text files
of about 60 K.

If you'd like to try it, drop me a line.  Cost is $9.95 if you decide
to use it.  Nothing if you don't.



At 05:02 PM 10/2/97 +0000, you wrote:
>>
>> I looked and looked for tdisk202.zip but couldn't see it. Nothing
>> new<G>. Strange how all those *.td0 files insist on downloading as text
>> and then when I tell Netscape to save then to a file it goes away and
>> gets them again. I couldn't find any way around that.
>>
>> I also got a couple of other items from that site and they had
>> "corrupt" files.. I forgot the exact error ("packed data corrupt" or
>> something).
>>
>> So far I've only got 2 of the WORD files. I wonder if anybody has
>> actually installed it and whether it works?
>>
>> Regards, Tony
>>
>To get the tdisk202.zip file you have to go up the tree until you
>find the main directory. The file is under the "utils" subdirectory.
>I don=B4t know much about the subject but I suppose that the program
>that made the disk images tansformed the disks in ASCII text.
>
>Regarding corrupt files the "Utils1" disk was corrupt with me also.
>This is the disk that has the setup.exe, so I had to install Word
>manually just by copying files and losting some features in the
>procedure. For instance: bold, underline, and so on, don`t show in
>the palmtop screen but otherwise it is working.
>
>I've already put it to use. I'm writing a manual to my students and I
>begun Chapter 4 in the palmtop. Later I'll transfer the file to the
>desktop, format it with Word for Windows and embbed the tables and
>graphics. This way I`m able to write the text wherever I am, while
>waiting for lunch, in the cab, etc. and not only when I=B4m at my desk.
>
>What could we do without our 200LX?
>
>greetings.
>
>Antonio
>
>
>
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>By the way, if anyone likes to make hypertext jumps from one
>text file to another, I have shareware editor available called  SHE.
>
>If you'd like to try it, drop me a line.  Cost is $9.95 if you decide
>to use it.  Nothing if you don't.

I'll give it a shot!

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I think the driver is called NT2KEYLX.COM  It's freeware,
but I think we should all send the author a gift of some kind
for such a great program!

It works great with the System Manager.  You can use HP200LX
as you always do and switch back and forth between keyboards.

I intend to write a new book with it on my lunch hour and while waiting for
various appointments.

At 04:14 PM 10/2/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Excuse the stupid sound of this (no ISP at this time) but what software
>is required on the HP to support the external keyboard?  Is it limited
>to DOS only sessions, or (with obvious key marking exceptions) does it
>work when the System Manager is running?
>
>Phil
>
>>----------
>>From:  Ron_TathamSMTP:rtatham@ibm.net
>>Sent:  Thursday, October 02, 1997 4:02 PM
>>To:    HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>>Subject:       Experience with Newton Keyboard+HPLX
>>
>I had been frustrated<carefull snip>
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If you want a complete ready to go keyboard with minimum fuss,
I recommend Shier Systems and Software:

Phone 805 371-9391
http:///www.shier.com
email:  info@shier.com

...because the keyboard comes ready to use with the connection
already modified for the HP keyboard.  The needed driver
with an install program and printed directions are included.
Also a "job-aid" printed on the back of the keyboard shows
you how to do cut, copy, paste, <Filer>  <&...>, etc.


At 12:08 PM 10/3/97 +1000, you wrote:
>> ... and touch type lengthy documents to my heart's content.
>> ... The keyboard must weigh 6 oz or les
>
>Yes! This would also make the hplx perfect for lectures.
>
>Can you all advise the best price for a Newton keyboard? I'm willing to
>buy mail order internationally (tho I'm in Australia).
>
>
>Thanks!
>PS does the Newton make any significant impact on the battery life?
>
>Brendan
>
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Can you say more?  How do you do it?  Word for Windows?
How much memory do you have?  What version of Windows?


At 12:01 AM 10/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> I've already put it to use. I'm writing a manual to my students and I
>> begun Chapter 4 in the palmtop. Later I'll transfer the file to the
>> desktop, format it with Word for Windows and embbed the tables and
>> graphics. This way I`m able to write the text wherever I am, while
>> waiting for lunch, in the cab, etc. and not only when I=B4m at my desk.
>
>I use word for windows on my 200lx and can do all these things you
>mention right on the palmtop - and a whole lot more! It is amazing
>just how many features were available in the first release of this
>program back in Nov-89! I also have the speller, thesaurus and all the
>other trimmings. The thesaurus for example not only gives you synonyms
>but also the *various definitions* of the selected word (noun, adj.
>etc)..
>
>This is but one of the things that micro$oft is gonna have to really
>stash if it intends to have success with winCE :-)
>
>> What could we do without our 200LX?
>
>I know just what you mean... <g>
>
>Regards,
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A while ago someone on the list asked if TWin200 would run on windows NT. I
tried it the other day on WIN NT 4.0 Server. It ran without any problems. I
did not install it under NT but ran it from the diskette I carry around
with my palmtop. It detected the palmtop without any problems and I copied
a couple of files back and forth - no hassles at all


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I have been trying to influence my printouts from the
MEMO-application by changing the printer setup initialization string.
Using a HP 320 deskjet and a serial-parallelconverter I do get prints
but I cannot change the fonts.

I thought  that the HP printing codes would  make it possible to use
the printer's internal fonts. I tried several ways of passing the
codes, but nothing happens.

Anyone have an idea?

Thanks

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> The keyboard is 8 to 9 ounces.
ie A little less than the palmtop itself.

> For those who don't want to go to the bother of creating a cable and
> downloading the software, Shier Systems & Software has created a complete
> solution as a service to the palmtop community. We began shipping the first
> units this week. Inquiries can now be directed to info@shier.com.

I'm sure no one would mind if the price of this solution was posted...
please.

--
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Newton Keyboard was $129.00  (not counting shipping cost)

At 09:35 PM 10/2/97 -0700, you wrote:
>How much was the Newton keyboard kit?
>
>karl
>At 09:12 PM 10/2/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>After a long wait I finally got the Newton
>>keyboard modified for use with the HP200LX.
>>I got it from Shier Systems.  It works great.
>>It comes with the special driver needed on
>>diskette with a one page "job aid" to help
>>you install the driver and get up and running.
>>
>>The difficult part is connecting it--you have
>>to plug it in to the serial port.
>>
>>(just kidding) The cable is custom made to
>>plug in directly to the HP serial port.
>>
>>When you are done using the Newton
>>keyboard you can just unplug it.
>>When you want it again, just plug it in.
>>
>>However, if you need to use the serial
>>port, you have to deactive the keyboard
>>by pressing a hotkey on the HP200 LX.
>>
>>You can then reactive it by pressing
>>a hotkey.
>>
>>A minor bug seems to be that the
>>DOS prompt may no longer show
>>current subdirectory after you run the
>>Shier install program.  You can
>>fix that by adding:
>>
>>   prompt $p$g
>>
>>to the AUTOEXEC.BAT as modified
>>by the Shier install program.
>>
>>In the old days, we used to have to
>>add the $p$g ourselves!
>>
>>The keyboard comes with a nice black case
>>with a tiny Newton icon etched into it.
>>
>>I was delighted to find that the regular
>>keyboard also continues to work when
>>you activate the Newton keyboard driver.
>>So you can use the special HP keys to
>>access various programs and then "wail
>>away" with the Newton once you are inside
>>the notepad or whatever.
>>
>>On the reverse side of the keyboard is
>>a nice little job aid that tells you how
>>to emulate the Function Keys, which
>>don't appear on the Newton.
>>
>>The readme file on diskette goes into great deal
>>about the driver and the various ways
>>to emulate the HP 200LX special keys
>>if you want to.
>>
>>The feel of the keyboard is pretty good.
>>You can touch type on it and type pretty fast.
>>
>>I plan to write my next book on my HP 200LX
>>thanks to the Newton and thanks to Shier Systems!
>>
>>The keyboard is quite light and small--but not
>>too small.  You can slip it into a inside coat pocket.
>>
>>You can modify the Newton cable yourself if
>>you are into that sort of thing and you can get
>>the driver on the SUPER web site.  Directions
>>on how to modify the cable are included in
>>the readme file.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Visit http://www.ilovemusic.com  to explore music and dance!
>>Ear Trainer-software to improve your ear (HP 200LX or desktop PCs)
>>SHE--shareware Hypertext editor for HP 200 LX call or write for more info.
>>MASTERY--shareware program to help you master any subject!
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>On the other hand that *same* set of cells may carry on their label:
>'standard charge: 14hrs at 120ma' which seems to suggest that 8hrs is
>insufficient time to fully recharge them. Taking into consideration

Would be sufficient is the charge current is higher. About (14/8)*120mA.

As a rule of thumb, when the voltage in the cell starts decreasing, it's
being overcharged.

Regards. Nacho.

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PDA Direct: $US76.95 (exc shipping)
        Got my hplx from them: highly reccommended
wysiwyg: $US75 (exc shipping)

But you run a risk when you mail order OS (that's overseas). Tho they
are honourable, someone is gonna hafta pay the extra shipping to have it
sent back for repairs etc

> Newton Keyboard was $129.00  (not counting shipping cost)

Also, there appears to be a Newton 130, 120 keyboard; and a different one
for the new Message Pad 2000 (a wonderful, powerful PDA, but too heavy
for my needs). Which one is the one that works?

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Hi, there:

Just a few days ago, I replied someone about using the same wall adapter to
power the HPLX and any device connected to it (through the serial wire, for
instance). There was a potential problem is the ground of the wall adapter
was not phisically connected to the HPLX ground plane.

I checked the later and IT IS connected, so, it's perfectly safe to use a
power jack splitter to power devices connected to the HPLX together with
the HPLX itself.

Regards. Nacho.

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Phil Drummond wrote
>what software is required on the HP to support the external keyboard?
Is it limited to DOS only sessions

You can find the software at the SUPER sit (www.palmtop.net) listed=
 as
NEWTON KEYBOARD DRIVER.
The keyboard works with sysmgr as well as in DOS sessions. You can load
the TSR in autoexec so it is ready for all of your sysmrg applications.
 As I use MAXDOS for most of my DOS applications I
have .bat files that reload the keyboard driver in Maxdos before the
application loads.  for example i call this file from sysmgr using
maxdos to load word5.

c:\keyboard\ntkey2LX.com
c:
cd word5
word
c:\keyboard\ntkey2LX.com -r
exit

this reloads the keyboard driver after maxdos has cleared memory.
after word executes, the keyboard driver is unloaded before sysmgr is
reloaded.  unless you unload the keyboard driver before exiting MAXDOS,
it hands up.  That appears to be the only kink in the operation of the
systm that I have found.  just copy the software to your HP and there
is little else to do except mmake a patch cable to hook up the
keyboard.
Hope this helps
Ron

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> In Post/LX everytime i run setup i get a message that says:
> Cannot Find config. file data

Did you modify SETUP.EXE? E.g. compress it in any way (Diet,
PKLIGHTT?)? A template READER.CFG is part of the EXE file and if the
file is compressed, SETUP cannot find it anymore.

Andreas D&A

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Tony Hutchins wrote:

> I looked and looked for tdisk202.zip but couldn't see it. Nothing
> new<G>. Strange how all those *.td0 files insist on downloading as
> text
> and then when I tell Netscape to save then to a file it goes away and
> gets them again. I couldn't find any way around that.

If you are using netscape, just hold down the shift key when you click
on the file...then it'll save it by default.
BTW tdisk is there. I grabbed it. I think it's in the misc. section ??

Tom

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A plug for a great product, that I haven't seen mentioned enough: Yellow
Computing's hplx CD-ROM.  Extract from web page:

HP Palmtop Software CD-ROM
--------------------------
This CD-ROM contains a lot of useful software for your Hewlett Packard
palmtop. The convenient user interface allows immediate installation
onto the PC or palmtop.

It contains the complete version of the well-known TRANSFILE WIN 200
Connectivity Software for all Windows versions in 4 languages, and the
HP Personal Organisation package - HP PIM for Windows which uses the
exact same file format (.adb and .pdb) as on the palmtop.

Also includes Minitel emulation pour mes amis francais!

In addition, there are over 350 useful shareware items and utilities
ready to use on this CD-ROM.  (versions are from mid-96 timeframe)

Install them by a single mouse click directly on your Palmtop Computer.

Also included are electronic books (Gutenburg), multimedia video
presentations and an electronic version (.pdf format) of the HP 200LX
User manual and the HP OMNIGO 700 LX quickreference.

Languages: English, German, French, Spanish (multilingual)

Price: 69,00 DM  (~$40)

See for all details:
http://www.yellow.de/prod/hp/e_prod_hp_k_hpscd.stm

I'm just a contented user with no connection to Yellow Computing
Jez

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>regarding corrupt files the "Utils1" disk was currupt with me also.

I have installed word5(dos) on my HP and have an uncorrupted setup.exe
if you want me to zip it and email it to you send private email to
rtatham@ibm.net
regards
Ron

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Here is the problem I have.  I currently use a 200LX and Intellisync to
keep apointments at work that are stored in Schedule+ synced with the
palmtop. Works wonderfully. Keeps me from having to double enter all the
apointments. I'm quite happy with it. That's not the problem.

The problem is the office I work at is going to convert all the Office95
installs to Office 97 w/ Outlook.  The Intellisync program doesn't handle
Outlook. Puma Technologies has no plan on releasing a version that does.

I see three options.  1) Do nothing and quit having the HP in sync with the
appointment book at the office.  2) Move to a different platform that does
support Outlook connectivity. (HP3x0LX, Pilot, etc)  3) Find a software
package that does this.

The first question becomes, "Does anybody know of software to achieve the
task of syncing a 200LX's appointment book with Outlook97's Calendar?"

Barring that, can anybody answer the following questions about a 320LX?

If I use a 320 to dial in, can I authenticate to a WinNT 4.0 domain
controller?  If so, can I print to the network printers and pick up mail
from my exchange server directly or do I need to hook the palmtop to
another computer?

To access Word and Excel files, I understand that the explorer program that
ships with the WinCE machines handle conversion to and from the Pocket
versions of these programs.  Does this mean that if I'm RASed in, I can't
access the grown-up versions of Excel and Word files on the server?  (this
assumes of course, that I can access any files on the server in the first
place)

Which applications actually support printing? I saw in Computability
(catalog) that only Word and the Information Manager could print.

Can the Inbox handle faxes, as the Win95 Inbox does, or is that handled
exclusively by Bfax?

Are there any applications that would preform the tasks that the 200lx's
Database does?

How about Quicken?

How about Vertical Reader? (a GREAT program that I dread losing if I have
to switch platforms.)

Thank you very much in advance,

Chris

Chris Hoover
IDEAtank
choover@ideatank.com

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Subject:      Another battery debate...

IN>I know that the question of batteries seem to be coming up quite often
IN>but I guess that's because they are so very important. This discussion
IN>involves what seems to be two conflicting schools of thought regarding
IN>recharging batteries (in the palmtop using monitoring software) and
IN>the manufacturer's recommendation for recharging.

IN>On the one hand we have battery charging software that monitors the
IN>batteries' recharge curve (voltage against time). Initially the rate
IN>of increase is fast, gradually tapering off and eventually levelling
IN>off at a 'stall' voltage. A very slow rate of increase or a 'stalled'
IN>voltage signals that the batteries have received all the charging they
IN>need and further charging could damage or overheat them. This point
IN>can be determined by the software and is usually reached in about 8hrs
IN>or less using one of the leading battery charging programs for a
IN>typical set of 1200mah cells. This sounds reasonable.

IN>On the other hand that *same* set of cells may carry on their label:
IN>'standard charge: 14hrs at 120ma' which seems to suggest that 8hrs is
IN>insufficient time to fully recharge them. Taking into consideration
IN>that the batteries' voltage no longer increases after about the first
IN>6 hrs. of charging (which the manufacturer must know) a further 8 hrs
IN>of fast charging is still recommended! This means that the stall
IN>voltage must be maintained for a prolonged period in order to acheive
IN>full charge and that the resulting overheating (if any) is acceptable?

IN>All this is pretty confusing if you ask me and leaves the user not
IN>knowing which recipe to follow.

IN>Anyone has any comments or observations to add to this?

IN>Regards,

IN>   _                       __     _ ____
IN>  (_)__ ____    __ _  ___ / /  __(_) / /__
IN> / / _ `/ _ \  /  ' \/ -_) / |/ / / / / -_)
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IN> Email: ianmel@opus.co.tt
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IN> Front-Line Marketing Agencies, Trinidad, West Indies


   Dear ian, i think you are right about stall, i have a pair of 1400
   Nimh batteries and when they are totally "dead", you need al least 15
   hours of charge

   voltage stalls at 8 hours, and it seems that is enough....but no !,
   batteries are not fully charged yet, if you have abc/lx, (i have the
   demo, i think i'm gonna get the full version) set the stall time to 4
   or 5 hours, remember that the normal voltage of the rechargeables is
   1.2v not 1.5v as the alkalines, so..set the maximum to 2.90 or 2.95

   and i don't know how to call it....but if i first discharge
   batteries, i can get more charge after that

   example :

   "dead" batteries (palmtop does not function) requires 15 hours of
   charge, and i can get 2.92v

   normal batteries (not dead), after normal charge, it's impossible to
   charge them over 2.82v

   anyway, i charge them all nights (i use them a lot), it's enough for
   me, i can never get more than 2.75, in a normal night charge (7 to 10
   hours), but...fine....i can live with that... :)


   regards,

   martin
   marseb@giga.com.ar

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              <3.0.1.32.19971003013639.00ea059c@best.com>

pseyer wrote:

> Newton Keyboard was $129.00  (not counting shipping cost)

Just for reference, street price for an unmodified Newton keyboard is
$80.

                                -Jim.

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<<> The keyboard is 8 to 9 ounces.
ie A little less than the palmtop itself.>>

Yes, and still, the 200LX and keyboard combined is 30% less weight than t=
he
Libretto, the lightest subnotebook around.

<<> For those who don't want to go to the bother of creating a cable and
> downloading the software, Shier Systems & Software has created a comple=
te
> solution as a service to the palmtop community. We began shipping the
first
> units this week. Inquiries can now be directed to info@shier.com.

I'm sure no one would mind if the price of this solution was posted...
please.>>

$129 plus shipping (about $5 in US, more overseas) plus sales tax
(applicable to California residents).

     Carl Merkle
     Director of Corporate Projects
     Shier Systems & Software, Inc.

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<<How much was the Newton keyboard kit?>>

The modified Newton keyboard from Shier Systems is $129 plus shipping and=

tax (if applicable). Shipping in the United States is about $5. Overseas =
it
differs. Make an inquiry at info@shier.com.

     Carl Merkle
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Text of message from choover@IDEATANK.COM, 3 Oct 1997, 09:25 AM
>...
> The problem is the office I work at is going to convert all the Office95
> installs to Office 97 w/ Outlook.  The Intellisync program doesn't
> handle Outlook. Puma Technologies has no plan on releasing a version
> that does.

I will have the same issue as our organization moves to using Lotus
notes/Lotus Organizer 97 for group scheduling.

>
> I see three options.  1) Do nothing and quit having the HP in sync with
> the appointment book at the office.  2) Move to a different platform
> that does support Outlook connectivity. (HP3x0LX, Pilot, etc)  3) Find a
> software package that does this.

I find that I rarely do the synchronization since I haven't found it that
worthwhile (I generally just do duplicate entries).  I am increasingly in
need of this feature, though.

>
> The first question becomes, "Does anybody know of software to achieve
> the task of syncing a 200LX's appointment book with Outlook97's
> Calendar?"

Probably not, since they are the only vendors I know about.  I asked the
Puma folks if they new of a workaround (even involving multiple steps) and
they did not.  It sems to me that you could do an export to a program
which is recognized by Puma's software and sync to that...

>
> Barring that, can anybody answer the following questions about a 320LX?
>
> If I use a 320 to dial in, can I authenticate to a WinNT 4.0 domain
> controller?  If so, can I print to the network printers and pick up mail
> from my exchange server directly or do I need to hook the palmtop to
> another computer?

I can't help you on the 320LX (this is a list devoted to 100 and 200LX).

> Are there any applications that would preform the tasks that the 200lx's
> Database does?
>
> How about Quicken?
>
> How about Vertical Reader? (a GREAT program that I dread losing if I
> have to switch platforms.)

As has been discussed on this list many times, there are many features
(like these) that aren't supported on the 320LX.

- Danny   Daniel Z. Sands, MD, MPH  *  dsands@bidmc.harvard.edu
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the mail program on the 3x0 series does not support secure password
authentication, bad news if your server requires sap.


> ----------
> From:         Daniel Z. SandsSMTP:dsands@BIDMC.HARVARD.EDU
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>
> Text of message from choover@IDEATANK.COM, 3 Oct 1997, 09:25 AM
> >...
> > The problem is the office I work at is going to convert all the
> Office95
> > installs to Office 97 w/ Outlook.  The Intellisync program doesn't
> > handle Outlook. Puma Technologies has no plan on releasing a version
> > that does.
>
> I will have the same issue as our organization moves to using Lotus
> notes/Lotus Organizer 97 for group scheduling.
>
> >
> > I see three options.  1) Do nothing and quit having the HP in sync
> with
> > the appointment book at the office.  2) Move to a different platform
> > that does support Outlook connectivity. (HP3x0LX, Pilot, etc)  3)
> Find a
> > software package that does this.
>
> I find that I rarely do the synchronization since I haven't found it
> that
> worthwhile (I generally just do duplicate entries).  I am increasingly
> in
> need of this feature, though.
>
> >
> > The first question becomes, "Does anybody know of software to
> achieve
> > the task of syncing a 200LX's appointment book with Outlook97's
> > Calendar?"
>
> Probably not, since they are the only vendors I know about.  I asked
> the
> Puma folks if they new of a workaround (even involving multiple steps)
> and
> they did not.  It sems to me that you could do an export to a program
> which is recognized by Puma's software and sync to that...
>
> >
> > Barring that, can anybody answer the following questions about a
> 320LX?
> >
> > If I use a 320 to dial in, can I authenticate to a WinNT 4.0 domain
> > controller?  If so, can I print to the network printers and pick up
> mail
> > from my exchange server directly or do I need to hook the palmtop to
> > another computer?
>
> I can't help you on the 320LX (this is a list devoted to 100 and
> 200LX).
>
> > Are there any applications that would preform the tasks that the
> 200lx's
> > Database does?
> >
> > How about Quicken?
> >
> > How about Vertical Reader? (a GREAT program that I dread losing if I
> > have to switch platforms.)
>
> As has been discussed on this list many times, there are many features
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Has anyone tried Derive version 4.x for DOS on the palmtop?

Vers 3 is great. I have vers 4 for windows, and it's great,too.  v4 can
handle more integrals, set theory and others, but the DOS flavor incudes
the XM code that isn't in version 3.  I wonder if that makes the exe size
huge and if it slows the runtime on the 200lx.  (Compressed exe size of v3
is only ~205KB)  Before I go and upgrade, I wonder what I will have to lose
to gain...

Also, does anyone know where I can buy the 1400 mAh NimHis that I read
about here?

Thnx  --sp

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> Can you say more?  How do you do it?  Word for Windows?
> How much memory do you have?  What version of Windows?

I run the very first version of word for windows - v1.0 (min install
about 1250k). It may seem anchient compared to the versions currently
on desktops but take it from me: it is an extremely powerful tool to
have on a computer that fits into your shirt pocket! I use it with =
win
3.0 (min install about 900k) but it will also run in the earlier
versions of windows that you can d/l off Trixter's Abandonware site.

Another great aspect of this version is that it can make use of ems =
(as
can the earlier versions of excel) to help get me past low ram issues.
At present I serve up about 250K of ems to word and this allows me =
to
do many things. I can for example open paintbrush (along w/word),
create or edit a bitmap and embed it into a word document! Here are
some of the things that this version includes:

        -print preview & merge
        -most recent filelist
        -documnet summary, headers/footers/footnotes
        -glossary, document templates
        -status, ruler and button bars
        -table of contents, annotations
        -formatted text w/full justification
        -bookmarks and customizable page numbering
        -style library and macros
        -speller, thesaurus, hypenation
        -embedded graphics and formatted tables
        -arithmetic function, sorting, sum etc.

Being a windows program means I have the regular scroll bars etc. plus
I can open it along with excel and move data between them and it runs
much better than you'd think off a (not particularly fast) flachcard =
on
a 2x machine. ie: windows loads from a sysmgr icon on my machine in
about 9.5 secs flat! And that includes the time maxdos takes to write
the swapfile and the time taken by windows to load my keyboard mouse
emulator, all from my exp thinfax lxm...

Have I sold you as yet? <g>

PS: If you wish any further info please feel free to write me off the
list. We have a small informal sub-group of hplx-l subscribers who
discuss and share windows tidbits if you'd care to join us.

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Does this exist...

I would like to receive a file from someplace on the Internet.  I know
the location (thanks to the many nice people here on HPLX-L) but I don't
have access to the Internet.

Does a mail-server that takes search requests exist out there somewhere?

Phil

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Subject:      DERIVE

HP>Has anyone tried Derive version 4.x for DOS on the palmtop?

HP>Vers 3 is great. I have vers 4 for windows, and it's great,too.  v4 can
HP>handle more integrals, set theory and others, but the DOS flavor incudes
HP>the XM code that isn't in version 3.  I wonder if that makes the exe size
HP>huge and if it slows the runtime on the 200lx.  (Compressed exe size of v3
HP>is only ~205KB)  Before I go and upgrade, I wonder what I will have to lose
HP>to gain...

HP>Also, does anyone know where I can buy the 1400 mAh NimHis that I read
HP>about here?

   Well....i get this batteries in chile, they are from france, (SAF
   brand), here in argentina the maximum that i can get is 1250 mah

   I don't know where are you from, but, don't pay more than 10 dollars
   each

   The 1250 mah, is about $8 dollars in here (argentina), if anyone
   wants to buy from me, no problem ! :)


HP>Thnx  --sp


   martin
   marseb@giga.com.ar

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I have installed TransFile on NT4 Workstation and it runs great.

Tom L

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Someone asked about availability of NiMH batteries - I got some from
another
List member - John Ramos; he can be contacted as MTX@sj.bigger.net

>I'll post this again, I have NEW Varta (Made in Japan) NiMH batteries 1100
>mAHr that can be used in the palmtops for $4.00 ea plus $3.00 Prioity
mail.
>
>If you want any, send a money order for whatever number plus mail to:
>
>John Ramos
>15260 Herring Ave
>San Jose, CA 95124-3428
>408-377-8096 PST
>
HTH - Zyg.

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I would like my answer in binary, any ideas?  I would like to stay in
the Solver Application.

Phil

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Thank you!  When I finally decide which file I really need I'll be glad
to take advantage of your offer.  Another member, Michael Stocker has
also offered to "fetch" a file for me.  Both of you remind me of the
magnanimous nature of the Internet community, I miss my account and will
probably begin to find another.

Thanks!
Phil
(713)881-2961

--My use of Pagenet's mail system does not represent Pagenet's interests
or opinions.---


><snip>
>        If you send me the URL / filname, I will download & attach to
>an EMail.
>
>BTW: You raised an interesting question!
>
>Cheers,

A possible future feature of the List Server?  :)

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Looks like I addressed this incorrectly, huh.  :)

>----------
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>Thank you!  When I finally decide which file I really need I'll be glad
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>Sent:  Friday, October 03, 1997 10:16 AM
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>
>Hi Phil:
>
>On Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:17:23,
>        Phil Drummond <phil_drummond@PAGENET.COM> Wrote:
>
>> I would like to receive a file from someplace on the Internet.
>
>        If you send me the URL / filname, I will download & attach to
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>BTW: You raised an interesting question!
>
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> If you are using netscape, just hold down the shift key when you =
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> on the file...then it'll save it by default.

Thanks Tom! Great tip!

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On 1997-09-29 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddvteach@digita
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   >Yes, it does seem terribly involved. By the "palmtop
   >terminal program", I assume you mean the built-in one,
   >"Datacomm". I find this *hideous* to use. A terrible,
   >shocking, outrageous, inflammatory, degrading, frustrating
   >and royal pain.
   >I reccommend "zip" (avail on the SUPER site). Really,
   >really FAST, TINY, SIMPLE and JUST PLAIN GOOD. <g>
   >Brendan

     Certainly anything is better than Datacom, but for small file transfers
     it works ok for me.   But when I tried surfing the net on my old Unix
     account in Michigan using Datacom, I did find it a royal pain.



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On 1997-09-29 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddv*teach*@digita
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   >Has anybody made experiences with LXDIAL? It is a great
   >program written by  Carl-Werner Oehlrich and Rob Koenis
   >that takes the clipboard and dials the number.
   >I successfully installed it, but the sound is a little bit
   >strange, it is somewhat distorted on my 100LX. I wonder if
   >there is something wrong with my LX or if the program does
   >not work. What I can say is, that it somewht dials here in
   >germany, but it always gives wrong connections. One time I
   >was was connected to anywhere in spain.
   >Any hints?
   >Ruediger

     The following hints work for me (at least in Michigan; here
     in Florida I have had some trouble using it:

     1-Make sure that the volume of the palmtop  is set to the
     loudest setting (go to Sysmgr setup).

     2-When dialing, put the left underside of the palmtop on top
     of the microphone on the phone.  That's the loudest spot on the
     palmtop (under the pcmcia slot).

     3-Go to the LXDIAL setup, and experiment with leghtening the
     duration of each dial tone.  Also, make sure that there is
     some pause between tones.

     4-I find that it helps some to reduce or avoid outside noise.

     I hope that helps some, but I know that there are differences
     between phones and systems (for example, my answering machine
     just looks blankly at my palmtop when I attempt to dial with
     it, and just keeps on sounding the dial tone.


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Subject:      Re: your mail  Was: Forget fancy transfer programs

On 1997-09-28 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddvteach@digita
l.net
   >The difference is this: on the PC side, I can reference the
   >HP's A: drive as J:, or the C: drive as L:. This allows me
   >to perform activities on my PC, with my HP connected, while
   >accessing the data on the HP just like the HP's drives were
   >local to the PC.

   Lots of good Laplink stuff deleted

   I did not understand the original message to constitute a defense
   of laplink, but a suggestion of a *simpler* way of transfering
   files.   I was dissagreeing with that being simpler.  Concerning
   what you said, bet my pcmcia drive can beat your laplink any day!
   8=)  8=)  It is not a portable solution, but it is simpler & more
   powerful, IMHO.
   As far as a simpler, portable solution, connecting my palmtop to a
   desktop pc with terminal programs is by far the simplest solution
   *while traveling*, where you are as likely to find laplink as to
   find a pcmcia card drive.

   >Incidentally, if the impression is that a modem is required
   >for LapLink, this is not true.

   My attempt to clarify the context of my comment in advance
   obviously failed.   I knew you do not need a modem with laplink.


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On 1997-09-29 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddv*teach*@digita
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   >What pain Domingo? Plug in the 200LX to the cable,
   >highlight the LapLink icon and press enter. Then go to the
   >LLRA directory on the PC and type LLRA. In a few seconds
   >you're connected. Use a decent DOS file manager and
   >transfer files back and forth. And, using the LLRA, it's
   >nice to get all the drive letters to work with. What could
   >be simpler? Besides, you don't have to buy any software,
   >just use the TERM program to put the LLRA files you already
   >own, from the 200LX to the PC.

     The pain comes from not being able to get laplink for DOS (a
     version of which I own) to work correctly with laplink for
     the palmtop.  The connection is made, then something goes
     wrong on the desktop, and it freezes.
     I did not know that *any* built-in program could be transferred
     to the desktop and made to work correctly (since they are
     designed to work from ROM, rather than RAM).


     Domingo
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Subject:      Re: battery discharge utility?

On 1997-10-01 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddv*teach*@digita
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   >Does anyone know if the provided charger is "smart"?
   >I.e., if I inadvertently put fully charged NiCads in the
   >charger, will the charger detect this and shut off the
   >juice (or turn it down to trickle) .....or will they fry? I
   >don't have anything I can use to test the current during
   >the charging.
   >I haven't been using it since I mostly charge in the LX
   >overnight, but I was wondering in case I ever needed to use
   >the charger...
   >- Longden


     There was a long thread on the old list, about a month before
     it crashed, that discussed those issues at lenght.  You could
     try searching for it.   I remember you defending my interest
     on the subject at the time, while some people were complaining
     about the "same old thing".  I wonder where all the crabby
     people went . . .   8=)


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On 1997-10-01 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddv*teach*@digita
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   >Try the following link:
   >ftp://boxotrix.it-ias.depaul.
   >edu/pub/abandonware/Applications/mword5/
   >You will also need a utility called tdisk202.zip to
   >recreate the original disks. This is available from the
   >same site.
   >Steven English

     Anybody knows how to uncompress this thing without a
     5 1/4 drive?  The tdisk program was supposed to handle
     this as well, but it never did for me.


     Domingo

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> It's just that Symantec has stopped all support for ACT! DOS and ACT!=
 HP
> Palmtop and I am trying to see if there is any interest in setting=
 some
> other support resource like a list or newsgroup.

I would certainly be very interested. ACT!, for me, is essential and=
 any
support I can get will be appreciated. I hope that I can also make
a valuable contribution.

Best regards,



Jagdesh Maraj <joshuam@carib-link.net>

Trinidad, West Indies.

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From: "John R. Doyle" <JD@HUBLABELS.COM>
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> I'm also a big user in Act 1.1.1 for HPPalmtop and Use the Act on=
 my PC..
> I could help you if you are having any problems w/the 2 programs!!!

Here is a quick one for you John as it crossed my mind today. ACT! helps=
 us
to manage contacts, so is there any way that we can enter information=
 such
as leads for follow up?

Let me elaborate. I sell widgets, and on speaking to one of my contacts,=
 a
lead was received about a huge (okay, reasonable) amount of widgets=
 that will
be required some time in the future for a project that only has a name,=
 but no
details, or sketchy details. Now I will enter it as a note attached=
 to that
contact, but if the information is received from another source with=
 a
little more detail, how do I fuse the two?

I guess I am looking for too much, huh? If you wish to think it over=
 and
respond off the list no problem.

Thanks for the offer and best regards,

 Jagdesh Maraj <joshuam@carib-link.net>

Trinidad, West Indies.

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If I received a lead(Name of Company) I would create a new contact and If I only had a company I would go ahead entering new contact info and also in notes enter all of the inforamtion you have about that lead and who gave you that lead..  Schedule a todo to remind you to follow up w/lead.  I would also copy the notes that I entered and make sure I put it into the note field of the person that gave me lead... If you do not want tocreate a new contact just schedule a todo to refer to notes on a certain date until you get like contact name and you start getting somewhere w/referral.. But I prefer to enter new contact just incase someone says are you working on so & so and you can't recall all you have todo is a lookup!!!

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Good afternoon everyone.

I am new to this list service and have enjoyed the comments thus far.

I was wondering where I might find a copy of ACT!1.1.1 for the HP
Palmtop.


Tschau and thank you in advance...

(O==00==O)

Bradley Johnson
kd6epg
Sr. QA/Systems Engineer
Irvine, California  USA
bjohnson@platsoft.com

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Any word on when the pseudo-backlight product will be ready?

Here's something to consider: if it's a light that clips onto the
screen, it should have some kind of built-in support device.  Otherwise,
the screen will tilt backwards under the weight of the light.

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David N Sargeant wrote:

> Any word on when the pseudo-backlight product will be ready?
>
> Here's something to consider: if it's a light that clips onto the
> screen, it should have some kind of built-in support device.
> Otherwise,
> the screen will tilt backwards under the weight of the light.
>
> --
> Visit the HP200LX web pages at http://coyote.accessnv.com/davidsa/hp

The light will be lightweight and shouldn't weigh down the screen.  The
battery pack attaches to the side and would counter any misbalances.  I
need to talk to one of my teachers about the plastic and will look into
the fresnal lenses.  I will let everyone know when I get the prototype
finished.

-Jeremy

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After reading messages from everybody trying to get Word 5.0 installed,
I wonder...

Is there anybody on this list who's OPPOSED to the abandonware concept?
Who thinks it's a violation of the rights of the people who published
the software?  Personally, I'm all for it, unless the company is still
selling or supporting the software.  Other than that,  I think it should
be fair game.  But is there anyone on this list who's opposed to it?

In any case, all of you who are using Word 5.0, should try Word 5.5 on
the palmtop.  It's great!  It looks much like the Microsoft Works 2.0
word processor, and it's much more menu oriented and user-friendly than
5.0.  The only problem, is that it's hard for most of us to type well on
the 200LX in 80-column mode.  Perhaps usablity will improve after we get
some magnifying add-ons.
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Andreas asked (and I paraphrase)
>did you use any compression on setup.exe

Andreas,
I didn't compress the setup.exe file but I discovered that if I remove
Diet from memory I don't get the error message.  Apparently the diet
program, even if not used on this file, creates an error.    I wonder if
it causes any other problems???

I hope you don't mind another queston.  I can't seem to send email on
any regular basis through ibm.net. I can receive from the POP3 without
any difficulty at all.  However when I try to send email I get to the
window that says Sending to "addressee...  and then it stalls and times
out.  I have set the timeout to 120 and still cannot send any mail.  I
go to my desk top and have no problem sending to the same STMP.  Any
suggestions as to what I can do??
thanks
Ron

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Greetings:

        Has anyone had any problems with the MegaHertz XJ3114? I had=
 it
working in my OmniBook, and decided to give it a try in my LX, but I
cant seem to get it to connect w/ WWW/LX? My EXP1414LXM works fine,=
 so
I know WWW/LX & my ISP are compatible, and I can connect up with
NetTamer. What do y'all use for init strings? Any one else seen this
odd behavior?

Thanks & Cheers,


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On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Al Kind wrote:

>         Has anyone had any problems with the MegaHertz XJ3114? I had it
> working in my OmniBook, and decided to give it a try in my LX, but I
> cant seem to get it to connect w/ WWW/LX? My EXP1414LXM works fine, so
> I know WWW/LX & my ISP are compatible, and I can connect up with
> NetTamer. What do y'all use for init strings? Any one else seen this
> odd behavior?

I have a 2x, 6mb 200LX and used it yesterday with WWW/LX and my XJ3144
modem with no problem. My wwwsetup.exe shows my init string is ATZ,
baud=19200,dial=ATDTxxx-xxxxx.

I don't recall making any special changes to make the modem work. It works
for me on NetTamer also.

I run both off MaxDOS as this not only gets me the RAM I need, but
disables SysMgr as well (which can interfere with comm pgms, you
can also get the same effect with Fn-! in the icon comments field)....any
chance that's your problem?  If not, then what are the symptoms?

- Longden

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On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Domingo Diaz-Vazquez wrote:

>      I did not know that *any* built-in program could be transferred
>      to the desktop and made to work correctly (since they are
>      designed to work from ROM, rather than RAM).

In the case of Laplink (on the LX), I believe the instructions for using
it specifically indicates that the files on the D: drive for Laplink
should be transferred to the desktop/laptop.

I don't have my manual in front of me for the usual page references, but
if I find out otherwise (when I get back to work next week), I'll let
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- Longden

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I have a HP 200LX and a Hayes Optima 33.6k PC card modem.  Can anyone tell
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On the HPLX-L list, Dave Sargeant wrote:

 > Is there anybody on this list who's OPPOSED to the abandonware concept?
Not me, Dave.  In fact, we should encourage it.  It's like free
advertisement for companies who still exist, but don't support that
particular product.  It's much like tryware -- try this inferior product
then upgrade when you can.

 > In any case, all of you who are using Word 5.0, should try Word 5.5
Yes, it's better.  In fact, it is almost identical to Word for Win 2.0 in
functions and how it is laid out.  Just not quite as graphical.
Unfortunately, I just learned from one abandonware page manager that Word
5.5 is not abandonware according to MS.  You can't legally distribute it,
but we're talking old MS products -- MS giant scoundrel of the computer
industry.  I think they shouldn't be so stingy.

You hear me, gates?  (rumor has it, he "scrapes" the net with
supercomputers for all MS bad-mouthing.)

As for MS Word 5.5:
 > The only problem, is that it's hard for most of us to type well on
 > the 200LX in 80-column mode.
Use text, not graphics mode, and Two Columns.  (Menu: Format-Columns)
Type in this mode. It's not WYSIWYG, but you can zoom to the largest screen
mode.  Then switch to graphics mode to see what you get.  Or do a print
preview (doesn't look good in CGA).

 > Perhaps usability will improve after we get
 > some magnifying add-ons.
Try the MIT media-lab gadget approach.  Hook up a "Private Eye" imaging
device to the LX, wear glasses and project your screen in front of your eyes.

I used to work in Holography seven years ago.  My boss built a color heads
up display for TV and computer display.  He used to walk around the lab
wearing it, watching movies or doing his bills.  He had a prototype single
hand keyboard on his thigh.  It was amazing.  He got so used to doing this,
and had a heads up display in his truck, projecting the image at vis-inf
for watching videos on long drives (he lived in the middle of nowhere).
Then he almost rolled his truck when he got too involved in what he was
watching.

I always wanted a heads-up computer.
--sp
(STILL LOOKING FOR ANYONE WITH EXPERIENCE W/ DERIVE 4.X ON THE LX.)

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>What pain Domingo? Plug in the 200LX to the cable,
   >highlight the LapLink icon and press enter. Then go to the
   >LLRA directory on the PC and type LLRA. In a few seconds
   >you're connected. Use a decent DOS file manager and
   >transfer files back and forth. And, using the LLRA, it's
   >nice to get all the drive letters to work with. What could
   >be simpler? Besides, you don't have to buy any software,
   >just use the TERM program to put the LLRA files you already
   >own, from the 200LX to the PC.

     ;The pain comes from not being able to get laplink for DOS (a
     ;version of which I own) to work correctly with laplink for
     ;the palmtop.  The connection is made, then something goes
     ;wrong on the desktop, and it freezes.
     ;I did not know that *any* built-in program could be transferred
     ;to the desktop and made to work correctly (since they are
     ;designed to work from ROM, rather than RAM).

I think the the  200LX internal LapLink program is the only one you can
transfer. All the files you need are in the directory LLRA.

Rob Blasdel


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> I didn't compress the setup.exe file but I discovered that if I remove
> Diet from memory I don't get the error message.  Apparently the diet
> program, even if not used on this file, creates an error.    I wonder =
if
> it causes any other problems???

I don't know Diet too well, so I don't know what exactly it does in =
TSR
mode. Anyway, you should not worry about the error message of SETUP. =
It
does not cause any harm unless there is no file READER.CFG because
SETUP only would have a problem if it had to recreate that file.

> I hope you don't mind another queston.  I can't seem to send email =
on
> any regular basis through ibm.net.

Make sure the SMTP server address is spelled correctly and make sure
the "from" address is formatted correctly and has "<>" around the
actual email address. Some SMTP servers are very picky about addresses.

Andreas D&A

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On Sat, 4 Oct 1997 00:00:04 -0400, Automatic digest processor wrote:

>Date:    Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:51:16 -0700
>From:    David N Sargeant <istate@ANV.NET>

>Is there anybody on this list who's OPPOSED to the abandonware concept?
>Who thinks it's a violation of the rights of the people who published
>the software?

It doesn't exactly give me a warm, fuzzy feeling as we say in the 'States.
It's a shame that most software companies won't sell their older wares (with
an "s") for more reasonable prices, but in many cases this is part of a
business strategy. Shouldn't intellectual property owners have the right to
do what they want with their work? Would we apply the same logic to a book
whose author was deliberately not publishing it?

I would hope one could be more diplomatic, perhaps persuade MS to license
Word for DOS only for use on systems that do not meet the minimum
requirements for running Win95, say. Arguably it would be a good PR move,
like that bogus library advertisingHHHHHHHHHHH donation plan. Or
at least talk them into selling ZIP distributions electronically on the Web
where overhead is remarkably low, and they could charge more reasonable fees.

So, yes, at least one of us is somewhat opposed to the idea of declaring
something "abandoned" and "taking" it. It's not like an overgrown lot or a
rusted-out car that takes up actual space. But neither is taking abandonware
like pirating current software.

Question for the abandonware supporters (email me, not the list?): what if
major vendors like MS started Web-selling old software *at the same price as
the new stuff* ? E.G. You give MS $200 and you get either Word97 or Word for
DOS, but not both? That way MS could provide software for older systems
without jeopardizing current sales. Nothing would be "abandoned" (but neither
would they be obligated to offer support for the older products). This is
essentially what MS did in the Office 4.3 (Win3.1) to Office 95 (Win95)
transition.

Viva Freeware!

-Peter

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>    voltage stalls at 8 hours, and it seems that is enough....but =
no !,
>    batteries are not fully charged yet, if you have abc/lx, (i have =
the
>    demo, i think i'm gonna get the full version) set the stall time =
to 4
>    or 5 hours, remember that the normal voltage of the rechargeables =
is
>    1.2v not 1.5v as the alkalines, so..set the maximum to 2.90 or =
2.95

I certainly agree with charging well beyond stall voltage Martin. I
tried recharging my 1200 nimh cells (without fully discharging) for
about 11 hrs (in an external charger) and the voltage was a bit higher
than what I have seen after my regular charge in the palmtop. What's
even better is that the cells seem to be lasting longer on the charge
as well! As much as 10~15% longer...

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From:         "Lynn M. Cavendish" <Cavendishl@AOL.COM>
Subject:      back lighting

those of you who are lusting after backlights, might enjoy surfing on over
to:

          www.bekkoame.or.jp/~naka_dai/hp200lx/ellxe.html

interesting.

lynn m. cavendish

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I'm back up...you can once again access the HisWord(tm) Palmtop
Bible web page at:

  http://pobox.com/~thoover

Thank you for your patience during the last 10 days.
---
Tom Hoover N5NTM <thoover@pobox.com> - http://pobox.com/~thoover
    - checkout HisWord(tm) Palmtop Bible at the above URL -
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From:         Domingo Diaz-Vazquez <ddvteach@DIGITAL.NET>
Comments: cc: Off-topic@ddi.digital.net, question.@ddi.digital.net

On 1997-10-03 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddv*teach*@digita
l.net
   >Does this exist...
   >I would like to receive a file from someplace on the
   >Internet.  I know the location (thanks to the many nice
   >people here on HPLX-L) but I don't have access to the
   >Internet.
   >Does a mail-server that takes search requests exist out
   >there somewhere?
   >Phil

   Both Simtel and Garbo have servers which allow you to download
   files via e-mail.  It's a feature I never had a need for, so
   I never looked into it, but it does exists.  Maybe someone
   else here knows the details.  I would look for you, but surfing
   the web from my palmtop is just too slow (and my desktop pc is
   still down).

   Domingo

Net-Tamer V 1.06H For HP100/200 & OG700 - Test Drive

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I have a 5 Meg HP flash card stacked.
Stacker version 3 was already preloaded.
The following is the instruction to install stacker.
"Access the DOS prompt and type A: (enter)."
"Type SINSTALL (enter)."
"Follow the displayed instructions to complete the installation procedure."

Hope this helps you.

Saludos...Jeffcom.

At 02:32 PM 10/2/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I too would like to know how to set-up Stacker on my C drive. I have the
>necessary files, but no documentation :-( Can anyone tell me the
>straightforward way to set it up?
>
>73 de KF4KGQ
>Jeff Johns
>jeffj@scott.net
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>    **This message was sent via UNIX, PINE and an HP200LX Palmtop PC !!!**
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I'm running MS Works 3.0 on my 200LX.
I've downloaded Word 5 from the abandonware site, but after reading all the
install problems, and your comment that Word 5.5 is comparable to Works 2,
i'll stick with Works 3.0, which is a major leap from Works 2.
By the way, Works 3.0 eats up 3.9 meg of my compressed flash card.

Saludos... Jeffcom.

At 06:51 PM 10/3/97 -0700, you wrote:

>In any case, all of you who are using Word 5.0, should try Word 5.5 on
>the palmtop.  It's great!  It looks much like the Microsoft Works 2.0
>word processor, and it's much more menu oriented and user-friendly than
>5.0.  The only problem, is that it's hard for most of us to type well on
>the 200LX in 80-column mode.  Perhaps usablity will improve after we get
>some magnifying add-ons.
>--
>Visit the HP200LX pages at http://coyote.accessnv.com/davidsa/hp
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1st, thanks to all who offered help re my plea for Word 5.5 for DOS. On=
e kind
chap actually sent me a zip file and I shall repay his kindness with so=
mething
else.

Well, the funny thing is, I did say I used to have Word 5.5 for DOS -- =
I went
looking
for another diskette in my old 'shoe box' archives, and you guessed it!=
 I found
the
original disks for Word 5.5!

So, to avoid all of you shooting me I can at least make the offer back.=
 I have
original 3.5" disks, which could be imaged for anyone with a Word for W=
indoze
license. (Is the "abandonware" concept recognised?)

Regards,
PS
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I won't Copy/paste the ref but I am also faced with a work environment =
using
Lotus Notes/Organizer. I would
dearly like some conduit between my 200LX and Lotus, both for mail file=
s (even
reading offline only) and for
Organizer.

On another note: GDDUMP/GDLOAD provides csv <=3D> db linking, but how c=
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123 write csv files?
(I know it's a doddle in Excel, but what about 123???)

PS
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Couple 'o questions:

Q1: Who sells Metal Hydride AA and at what price?

Q2: What is the hours of use per charge - preferably for a Times 2 Tech=
 LX with
extra memory?

Thanks
PS
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Pardon my ignorance, but what is Derive? How big, and how much $$$?

Thanks,
PS
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Re: erratic send to SMTP on ibm.net
Andreas Garzotto wrote:
>
>
> Make sure the SMTP server address is spelled correctly and make sure
> the "from" address is formatted correctly and has "<>" around the
> actual email address. Some SMTP servers are very picky about addresses.

You put me on the right track.  I had set up my address list so I could
put it in alphabetic order.  an example
"Bunny, Bugs" <rabbit@hole.com>
The comma in "Bunny, Bugs" creates the problem.  If I take it out the
transmissions work every time.  With the comma ... it has worked on
occaision but more often it has not worked.  All commas have been
removed and all is well.
Thanks for your help
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ddv*teach*@digital.net "would like to receive file ... from internet
...using email"

I got the following from an archie site. hope it helps
Ron
Using the Electronic Mail Interface:
     In order to use the email interface, send requests to:
archie@<archie_server> where
     <archie_server> is one of the hosts listed below, or one returned
by the servers  command.
     Send the word help in a message to obtain a list of available
commands and    features. This is a completely automated interface, acting
without human intervention.
          archie.au --- Australia
          archie.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at --- Austria
          archie.univie.ac.at --- Austria
          archie.uqam.ca --- Canada
          archie.cs.mcgill.ca --- Canada
          archie.funet.fi --- Finland
          archie.univ-rennes1.fr --- France
          archie.th-darmstadt.de --- Germany
          archie.ac.il --- Israel
          archie.unipi.it --- Italy
          archie.wide.ad.jp --- Japan
          archie.hana.nm.kr --- Korea
          archie.sogang.ac.kr --- Korea
          archie.uninett.no --- Norway
          archie.rediris.es --- Spain
          archie.luth.se --- Sweden
          archie.switch.ch --- Switzerland
          archie.ncu.edu.tw --- Taiwan
          archie.doc.ic.ac.uk --- United Kingdom
          archie.hensa.ac.uk --- United Kingdom
          archie.unl.edu --- USA (NE)
          archie.internic.net --- USA (NJ)
          archie.rutgers.edu --- USA (NJ)
          archie.ans.net --- USA (NY)
          archie.sura.net --- USA (MD)

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Hey, any radio people out there?  I was wondering if there exists a
radio tracking frequency database for the 200.  If not, I have started
making one, and can send it to sites/people if you would like it.  I am
just getting started in this, and only have a small radio, but would
like to track where I have listened to.  I was hoping that someone (with
more experience) would have already made one, thus allowing me to avoid
any missing stuff in my version.

thanks,
scott
sbarrett@concentric.net

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<<On another note: GDDUMP/GDLOAD provides csv <=3D> db linking, but how c=
an
Lotus
123 write csv files?>>

There's a 1-2-3 add-in (I don't use it) that many use to do this. It is o=
n
HPHAND. Maybe Mitch can get it on the SUPER site. If Avi's out there he
could jump in with the file name.

     Regards,

     Carl

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On Sun, 5 Oct 1997 06:11:27,
       Paul Szilard <pszilard@AU1.IBM.COM> Wrote:

> Q1: Who sells Metal Hydride AA and at what price?

        Look at the Personal Solars:
www.yessolar.com

        for 1300mAH NiMH, ~4.50ea

Also John Ramos is selling the VARTAs (not sure of the rating) for
$4.00 ea his EMail is:

mtx@sj.bigger.net

Radio Shack has 1250mAH advertised in their catalog, but I was told
they won't be available here in CT till late OCT.

> Q2: What is the hours of use per charge - preferably for a
> Times 2 Tech LX with
> extra memory?

I just got the YesSolars Last week and am looking into that now, will
report soon. VARTAs should arrive next week and will evaluate as well.

Cheers,




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A strange thing happened to me this weekend.  I was using my 200LX while plugged in when the low battery warning came on.
I did a little checking around (after I replaced the batts) and discovered that the adapter was putting out 0V.  Yet it was still warm to the touch.
The adapter is the "real thing", the HP F1011A, about a year old.

Has anyone else encountered a dying adapter?

Kiyoshi Akima
kakima@usa.net

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Scott;
      I've been a SWL for about 10 years, and a Ham for 8.  An RDb is a
GREAT idea! I haven't been at the "post" much lately, but, I'd love a copy
when you're finished.



                                     regards...
                                                    Tony


> Hey, any radio people out there?  I was wondering if there exists a
> radio tracking frequency database for the 200.  If not, I have started
> making one, and can send it to sites/people if you would like it.  I am
> just getting started in this, and only have a small radio, but would
> like to track where I have listened to.  I was hoping that someone (with
> more experience) would have already made one, thus allowing me to avoid
> any missing stuff in my version.

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Within the past two years I've had two adapters die on me.
Reason unknown.

Regards,
Qman


At 12:25 PM 10/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>A strange thing happened to me this weekend.  I was using my 200LX while
plugged in when the low battery warning came on.
>I did a little checking around (after I replaced the batts) and discovered
that the adapter was putting out 0V.  Yet it was still warm to the touch.
>The adapter is the "real thing", the HP F1011A, about a year old.
>
>Has anyone else encountered a dying adapter?
>
>Kiyoshi Akima
>kakima@usa.net
>
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Hi electronic wizards,

Is it OK to leave the AC adapter/charger plugged in,
but not plugged in to the HP 200 LX?

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What is a csv file?

At 11:35 AM 10/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
><<On another note: GDDUMP/GDLOAD provides csv <=> db linking, but how can
>Lotus
>123 write csv files?>>
>
>There's a 1-2-3 add-in (I don't use it) that many use to do this. It is on
>HPHAND. Maybe Mitch can get it on the SUPER site. If Avi's out there he
>could jump in with the file name.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Carl
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From:         Cadu Pennachin <cadu@U-NETSYS.COM.BR>
Subject:      Advice on power supply

Hi everyone,

I have a 200LX with 2 Panasonic P3SPA NiCa batteries (1.25 650mAh each).
Anyone knows if it's a problem if I plug the charger to use the palmtop,
even if the batteries are loaded? I don't have (yet) ABC/LX to take care of
the charging so I'm afraid off damaging the batteries. Any light?

Thanks

Take care...



******************************************
             Cadu Pennachin
        Sao Paulo - BRAZIL  <0>
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Does anyone have a 12V lx powersupply for sale, or know where to get a
good one for a good price?

.M

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        No problem running off of the adaptor indefinitely, so long as you
EITHER have the setup set to alkalines, OR if set to Ni-Cads, charging is
disabled.
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Date:         Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:38:02 -0500
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On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Erling, Marshall N wrote:

> Does anyone have a 12V lx powersupply for sale, or know where to get a
> good one for a good price?
>
> .M

Radio Shack sells the 273-1652D for about $13.  12VDC @500mA.

David

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I recently picked up a 12v power supply for about $21 from Radio Shack. It
works fine, and so far, I am pleased. I also use NiCad batteries and they
recharge without a hich.

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HP recomends 12v at at least 750ma. I bought a 12v-1amp ps from Radio Shack
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As long as those cells are normal NiCa formula... nothing exotic, then
you can use the NiCa setting.

Phil

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>From:  Cadu PennachinSMTP:cadu@U-NETSYS.COM.BR
>Sent:  Tuesday, September 30, 1997 1:06 PM
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>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I have a 200LX with 2 Panasonic P3SPA NiCa batteries (1.25 650mAh each).
>Anyone knows if it's a problem if I plug the charger to use the palmtop,
>even if the batteries are loaded? I don't have (yet) ABC/LX to take care of
>the charging so I'm afraid off damaging the batteries. Any light?
>
>Thanks
>
>Take care...
>
>
>
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I tried sending this message to the e-mail address in the Garlic docs,
but it bounced, so I'm sending it here.

I've just used Garlic for the first time.

I have had the occasional database problem before on my un-enhanced basic
HP 200LX, but up until now I have been able to recover by making a new
file from the file menu and merging the errant database into the empty
one.

I usually back up my C: directory files to a backup directory on the A:
(F:  renamed) drive, which is presently on my EXP 8 meg faxmodem card.
However, both original and backup are similarly corrupt, so I guess
something unnoticed happened shortly before the last backup.

So I ran garlic. First in /v mode, then in /d with output redirected to a
file. But I still don't have a usable file.

Garlic tells me that there are 202 records in the file (and some other
data at the start), then says, "Scanning possible record headers...", then
it lists about 228 lines of stuff, then says, "@Patching virtual
lookup...".

Then it says, "ERROR: File is too damaged to patch virtual lookup table."

First, does anyone have any idea what might have happened to the file
to give an error report like this?

Second, does anyone have any suggestions for salvaging the data?

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I have a SUNDISK 2.5 meg flashdisk. It works on my HP omnibook 300 but I
can not get it to work on my 200LX. What do I have to have to make it work
on the LX?

TIA
Karl

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csv = comma seperated values

it is a file in which field values are seperated by commas and records are
seperated by carrage return/line feed characters.  quotation marks enclose
all field values, except unformatted numbers.

cordially,

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www.symantec.com
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From: Bradley Johnson <BJohnson@PLATSOFT.COM>
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>Good afternoon everyone.
>
>I am new to this list service and have enjoyed the comments thus far.
>
>I was wondering where I might find a copy of ACT!1.1.1 for the HP
>Palmtop.
>
>
>Tschau and thank you in advance...
>
>(O==00==O)
>
>Bradley Johnson
>kd6epg
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is there any chance that your flashdisk has been doublespaced?  the 200lx
should still recognize it, but you would not be able to access the files.

i have had problems with my omnibook 300 not recognizing ata type flashcards
which work fine on my 200lx, but not vice-versa.  i have two hp brand cards
(a flash ram, and a sram) which work just fine on both.

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No it has not been doubledspace. the 200LX just does not see the card. It
is suppose to be ATA type card.

At 08:38 PM 10/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>is there any chance that your flashdisk has been doublespaced?  the 200lx
>should still recognize it, but you would not be able to access the files.
>
>i have had problems with my omnibook 300 not recognizing ata type flashcards
>which work fine on my 200lx, but not vice-versa.  i have two hp brand cards
>(a flash ram, and a sram) which work just fine on both.
>
>cordially,
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POST/LX fails to send Reply and Forward mail. Any explanations are
suggestions.



Regards,
Qman

HP 100/LX Computing in the palm of your hands

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Who can tell me where can I find Software for Renewable Energy calculation?
        For Photovoltaic Plants: Pumping, light, Refrigerator, ...
        For Thermal Solar Plants: warm Watter, swimming Pool ,...
        For Wind Mill
        For Hydroelectric.

Thanks a lot for Answer.

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Hello everybody, I am new comer to this list.
Recently I made a personal database in my 200LX ofwhich one of the
field-type is date.  I want to make a subset based on this field but I
don't know how, -for example- to find someone (in my database) whose
birthday is in the month of October.
Hope somebody can help me.

THanks.

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Does anybody know of any good atlas/map software that runs on the 200LX?

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Hi,

Sometime back I asked Andreas of D&A to look into providing threading=
 for
news groups reader. I wander whether the feature is
available now ??

By the way I am using 33.6 model with WWW/LX and POST/LX.
However, even I set the modem speed in the program to
33.6bas, but it did not run at that speed. The speed  was no different
from 14.4 bps modem. May I know why ? Or does anyone whether the program
support 33.6 or 28.8 bps modem ?

Reads

H S Teo

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> POST/LX fails to send Reply and Forward mail. Any explanations are
> suggestions.

What is the problem you observe? If you don't provide any details, =
all
I can say is: something is configured incorrectly. ;-)

Andreas D&A

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> Sometime back I asked Andreas of D&A to look into providing threading =
for
> news groups reader. I wander whether the feature is
> available now ??

The next release will let you sort messages by date, sender and
subject. However, there is no release date set yet.

> By the way I am using 33.6 model with WWW/LX and POST/LX.
> However, even I set the modem speed in the program to
> 33.6bas, but it did not run at that speed. The speed  was no different
> from 14.4 bps modem.

14400 baud (or a little more) is what the palmtop hardware can support.
Note that its CPU is not a Pentium or a PowerPC. Even though WWW/LX
supports higher rates, the palmtop cannot really perform it. With a
double speed palmtop, slightly higher rates are possible.

Andreas D&A

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>Has anyone received their HP Palmtop Paper issue for Sept-Oct?

No not me!

I'm still waiting for the paper version, I got the disk version from=
 3
weeks ago.

Zzzzzzzz




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> POST/LX fails to send Reply and Forward mail. Any explanations are
> suggestions.

Does the reply/foward message get composed?

If it fails to send I guess either the "To:" address is invalid or
maybe the SMTP server refuses to handle the message if the "From:"
address is not xxx@site where site is the server's site - some ISPs =
are
like this, for example ibm.net will only handle from addresses of
xxx@ibm.net.

If you tell exactly where the failure occurs it would be easier to
guess what might be the problem.

Regards, Tony

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From:         "Longden C. Loo" <lloo@WORLD.NORTHGRUM.COM>
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On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Philip Seyer wrote:

> Hi electronic wizards,
NOT!

> Is it OK to leave the AC adapter/charger plugged in,
> but not plugged in to the HP 200 LX?
I've had both HP and RadioShack adapters plugged in to live sockets
continuously for over a year without problems (one at work and one at
home).

- Longden

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> Who can tell me where can I find Software for Renewable Energy calculation?
>         For Photovoltaic Plants: Pumping, light, Refrigerator, ...
>         For Thermal Solar Plants: warm Watter, swimming Pool ,...
>         For Wind Mill
>         For Hydroelectric.

er, this isn't really strictly hplx related, now is it? OTOH, what more
energy efficient computer could one hope for! :)

Why not try the photovoltaic newsgroup?
        alt.solar.photovoltaic
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SP (?) wrote about a head-up display. How FASCINATING!!! Can you, or an=
yone
else expand on this?
I think this to be me novelty than practicality - I don't want to crash=
 my car!
but in certain situation where
one is restricted but idle - such as on a long train journey, or being
passenfer in a car, this sounds
very viable.

A number of obvious questions arrise, no doubt others would think of mo=
re. Such
as likely costs, interfacing
to the LX, battery consumption, viewing clarity, etc.

So how about a thread on this?

Paul Szilard
=

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csv stands for Comma Separated Values. e.g. if you had a row in databas=
e or
spreadsheet
A1    B1    C1
Fred  123   Yes

then a csv output would be
"Fred","123","Yes"

Note that values are separated by commas, and strings are between
double quotes. If the output routine didn't quote numeric values
then the following would be output
"Fred",123,"Yes"

Ciao
PS
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What is a csv file?

At 11:35 AM 10/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
><<On another note: GDDUMP/GDLOAD provides csv <=3D> db linking, but ho=
w can
>Lotus
>123 write csv files?>>
>
>There's a 1-2-3 add-in (I don't use it) that many use to do this. It i=
s on
>HPHAND. Maybe Mitch can get it on the SUPER site. If Avi's out there h=
e
>could jump in with the file name.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Carl
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Hi:

Maybe anybody is interested in japanese software for the hp200.

Yesterday I downloaded from

software, i.e. named cbcalc02.lzh (calculator inside memo) or w32fl04c.lzh
(connect hp-filer to win32-machine).
   http://www.oohito.com/200lx/200lx_j.htm
8 files of software with (unfortunately) japanese description - but it's
worth to try this software. For example, running w32filer (36k) on your
desktop allows the hp-filer to contact your desktop like an inbuildt drive
(an alternative to transfile?).

Regards
Dieter



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Subject:      Re: POST/LX Problems

POST/LX is failing to send marked mail in the OUTBOX.
While going online it checks and report that there is no outgoing mail.
even though there is mail to be sent in the OUTBOX. It appears that
POST is no longer locating the OUTBOX.

If its a configuration problem how do you correct it? My configuration
hasn't been touched for months.


Regards, Qman
HP 100LX Computing In The Palm Of Your Hands

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Jeffcom wrote:

 > I'm running MS Works 3.0 on my 200LX.
 > I've downloaded Word 5 from the abandonware site, but after reading all the
 > install problems, and your comment that Word 5.5 is comparable to Works 2,

No, Word 5.5 for DOS is comparable to Word (with a 'd') 2.0 for Windows.
Works 2.0 is far more ancient than Word 2.0 for win.  Word 5.5 is of the
same breed as Works 3.0.

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There's a company called Kopin that makes a thumbnail sized LCD display
with resolution of 320x240. They sell it in a kit for developers with some
lenses so you can put it up to your eye and see a virtual screen that they
claim is equivalent to 20" diagonal. Their advertising shows someone
looking into a pager to see a full screen display.

With a little creative surgery, you might even be able to hook it up to the
200LX :-) Power consumption is apparently minimal (at least less than the
current 200LX screen uses).

There's a couple of other companies besides, who's names escape me at the
moment.

rick

---------------------

SP (?) wrote about a head-up display. How FASCINATING!!! Can you, or anyone
else expand on this?
I think this to be me novelty than practicality - I don't want to crash my
car!
but in certain situation where
one is restricted but idle - such as on a long train journey, or being
passenfer in a car, this sounds
very viable.

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I would be interested.  A suggestion though, insted of mailing the .dbf
file, create "screen dumps" of the database structure and post them
here.
An example:

*page 1*
Database:PAGENET         Data Item(1/2)         10/06/097  9:35 am
LOC _________________________ NIC ____ ID _________ TYPE _________
LAT __________ LON __________ C-LAN __ ARCNET __   Date __________
F1 __ Q1 _________ C1 _________      S.N. ________________________
F2 __ Q2 _________ C2 _________       RX# __________ DELAY _______
F3 __ Q3 _________ C3 _________     STREAM ________ Offset _____
F4 __ Q4 _________ C4 _________   SAT CHAN _________  SYS# _______
F5 __ Q5 _________ C5 _________   MAINT CH ______  MAINT GRP _____
F6 __ Q6 _________ C6 _________    ID MODE ______ -DATA INVERT----
ADD _________________________X BAL LINK ID ______ | X MAINT       |
City ____________ County ______    LINK CH ______ | X PAGING      |
ST __ ZIP __________                PH# __________________________
                                 CKT_ID __________________________
*page 2*
Database:PAGENET         Data Item(2/2)         10/06/097  9:35 am
Notes: ___________________________________________________________

(To view, use "fixed system" font to get the spacing right.)

Ok, I know this is "spamy" but I figured that we all know how to build
databases, so it would be easy to transmit the format of a database in
this format.

Phil

>----------
>From:  Scott BarrettSMTP:sbarrett@CONCENTRIC.NET
>Sent:  Sunday, October 05, 1997 9:14 AM
>To:    HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>Subject:       Radio Database
>
>Hey, any radio people out there?  I was wondering if there exists a
>radio tracking frequency database for the 200.  If not, I have started
making one, and can send it to sites/people if you would like it.
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There is a thing calles "SSL Statement" in the database Subset
Definition section of the "View Subset" thing.  If you open the Subset
Deff. tool, and move to the date field in your database, then press
"General".  In the box, I put the string:
Date->{9/01/1997}..{10/1/1997}
Then you name the Subset.  When selected the database will be
"sorted/filtered" to include the range of dates in the SSL statement.
When it's time to edit that subset, the SSL "box" will pop up when you
go to change the Subset Definition.
Good Luck!

Phil

>----------
>From:  RipinSMTP:ranita@MEGA.NET.ID
>Sent:  Sunday, October 05, 1997 11:45 PM
>To:    HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>Subject:       Database in 200LX
>
>Hello everybody, I am new comer to this list.
>Recently I made a personal database in my 200LX ofwhich one of the
>field-type is date.  I want to make a subset based on this field but I
>don't know how, -for example- to find someone (in my database) whose
>birthday is in the month of October.
>Hope somebody can help me.
>
>THanks.
>

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> POST/LX is failing to send marked mail in the OUTBOX.
> While going online it checks and report that there is no outgoing =
mail.

Make sure the corresponding box in the main screen is marked with a
triangle (toggle with space bar). And make sure upoading is enabled
(toggle with Alt-S).

Andreas D&A

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Halted Specialties in San Jose carries these displays as a surplus item. I
think I last saw them for $10.. a pair with lenses.

karl
At 09:37 AM 10/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>There's a company called Kopin that makes a thumbnail sized LCD display
>with resolution of 320x240. They sell it in a kit for developers with some
>lenses so you can put it up to your eye and see a virtual screen that they
>claim is equivalent to 20" diagonal. Their advertising shows someone
>looking into a pager to see a full screen display.
>
>With a little creative surgery, you might even be able to hook it up to the
>200LX :-) Power consumption is apparently minimal (at least less than the
>current 200LX screen uses).
>
>There's a couple of other companies besides, who's names escape me at the
>moment.
>
>rick
>
>---------------------
>
>SP (?) wrote about a head-up display. How FASCINATING!!! Can you, or anyone
>else expand on this?
>I think this to be me novelty than practicality - I don't want to crash my
>car!
>but in certain situation where
>one is restricted but idle - such as on a long train journey, or being
>passenfer in a car, this sounds
>very viable.
>
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UST TO CLEAR SOME MUDDY WATER. THIS HAS FOR MANY YEARS BEEN CALLED COMMA
DELIMITED FILE AND SOME USE THE ABREVIATION OF CDF.

73 SPENCE K4KEP

Paul Szilard wrote:
>
> csv stands for Comma Separated Values. e.g. if you had a row in database or
> spreadsheet
> A1    B1    C1
> Fred  123   Yes
>
> then a csv output would be
> "Fred","123","Yes"
>
> Note that values are separated by commas, and strings are between
> double quotes. If the output routine didn't quote numeric values
> then the following would be output
> "Fred",123,"Yes"
>
> Ciao
> PS
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> HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu on 06-10-97 05:34:54
> Please respond to HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu @ internet
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> cc:
> Subject: Re: 1-2-3 Comma Delim (was Re: Lotus Notes/Organizer)
>
> What is a csv file?
>
> At 11:35 AM 10/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
> ><<On another note: GDDUMP/GDLOAD provides csv <=> db linking, but how can
> >Lotus
> >123 write csv files?>>
> >
> >There's a 1-2-3 add-in (I don't use it) that many use to do this. It is on
> >HPHAND. Maybe Mitch can get it on the SUPER site. If Avi's out there he
> >could jump in with the file name.
> >
> >     Regards,
> >
> >     Carl
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TRY SENDING QUERY TO SOME OF THE MANUFACTURES OF APPROPRIATE SUBJECTS IN
MOTHER EARTH NEWS. IE: SOLAR COMPONENT PARTS SALES COMPANIES. ALSO
SEARCH THOSE COMPANIES LISTED WEB PAGES. HAVE SEEN QUIT A FEW "HELPS" IN
SOME OF THEM, OME TIME BACK.

73 SPENCE K4KEP

Brendan Macmillan wrote:
>
> > Who can tell me where can I find Software for Renewable Energy calculation?
> >         For Photovoltaic Plants: Pumping, light, Refrigerator, ...
> >         For Thermal Solar Plants: warm Watter, swimming Pool ,...
> >         For Wind Mill
> >         For Hydroelectric.
>
> er, this isn't really strictly hplx related, now is it? OTOH, what more
> energy efficient computer could one hope for! :)
>
> Why not try the photovoltaic newsgroup?
>         alt.solar.photovoltaic
> --
> Brendan Macmillan
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Andreas

I HAVE SENT SEVERAL MESSAGES TO YOU DIRECT BUT THEY HAVE NOT BOUNCED NOT
HAS A REPLY BEEN RECEIED.

WHAT IS THE CURRENT VERSION OF QUICK/LX?

IS THERE A VERSION FOR DOS??????? SOMEWHERE I THOUGHT I HAD SEEN A
COMMENT THAT IT IS AVAILABLE.

I OWN QUICK/LX AND HAVE TO GET THE LIGHT UST RIGHT TO USE IT.WOULD LIKE
TO USE IT ON MY HP OMNIBOOK NOTEBOOK SINCE THE BACKLIGHT ON THE NOTEBOOK
MAKES IT MUCH EASIER TO READ.

AS YOU KNOW, I AMD A AMATEUR(HAM) RADIO OPERATOR. USING QUICK/LX WOULD
MAKE IT MUCH EASIER TO LOG STATIONS ON A NET. ALL I WOULD HAVE TO TYPE
IS THEIR CALL AND ALL THE RESET OF THE 80 COLLUNS WOULD BE COPIED FROM
THE DICTIONARY. IT SURE WOULD SAVE ME A LOT OF TIME.

73 SPENCE K4KEP EX W9QNI

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YOU DID NOT SAY WHAT KIND OF DATABASE YOU WERE USING. I THINK I WOULD
CONSIDER WAMPUM (SHAREWARE) OR POP-DBF. POP-DBF IS SMALLES BY FAR. BUT
WAMPUM HAS SORTING BY FIELDS AND INDEXING BY FIELDS BOTH.

73 SPENCE K4KEP

Ripin wrote:
>
> Hello everybody, I am new comer to this list.
> Recently I made a personal database in my 200LX ofwhich one of the
> field-type is date.  I want to make a subset based on this field but I
> don't know how, -for example- to find someone (in my database) whose
> birthday is in the month of October.
> Hope somebody can help me.
>
> THanks.
>
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PHIL,

WHAT KIND OF A BUG DID YOU BREED FOR THIS MESSAGE. I USUALLY HAVE NO
TROUBLE PRINTING INCOMMING MESSAGES. HP OMNIBOOK 5500 NOTEBOOK BJ200
PRINTER DOS 6.22 WFWG 3.11.

THIS FILE CAUSES THE PRINTER TO ERROR OUT AND LOCK UP EVERY ATTEMPT ON
THE FIRST SEVERAL CHARACTERS.

73 SPENCE K4KEP


Phil Drummond wrote:
>
> I would be interested.  A suggestion though, insted of mailing the .dbf
> file, create "screen dumps" of the database structure and post them
> here.
> An example:
>
> *page 1*
> Database:PAGENET         Data Item(1/2)         10/06/097  9:35 am
> LOC _________________________ NIC ____ ID _________ TYPE _________
> LAT __________ LON __________ C-LAN __ ARCNET __   Date __________
> F1 __ Q1 _________ C1 _________      S.N. ________________________
> F2 __ Q2 _________ C2 _________       RX# __________ DELAY _______
> F3 __ Q3 _________ C3 _________     STREAM ________ Offset _____
> F4 __ Q4 _________ C4 _________   SAT CHAN _________  SYS# _______
> F5 __ Q5 _________ C5 _________   MAINT CH ______  MAINT GRP _____
> F6 __ Q6 _________ C6 _________    ID MODE ______ -DATA INVERT----
> ADD _________________________X BAL LINK ID ______ | X MAINT       |
> City ____________ County ______    LINK CH ______ | X PAGING      |
> ST __ ZIP __________                PH# __________________________
>                                  CKT_ID __________________________
> *page 2*
> Database:PAGENET         Data Item(2/2)         10/06/097  9:35 am
> Notes: ___________________________________________________________
>
> (To view, use "fixed system" font to get the spacing right.)
>
> Ok, I know this is "spamy" but I figured that we all know how to build
> databases, so it would be easy to transmit the format of a database in
> this format.
>
> Phil
>
> >----------
> >From:  Scott BarrettSMTP:sbarrett@CONCENTRIC.NET
> >Sent:  Sunday, October 05, 1997 9:14 AM
> >To:    HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> >Subject:       Radio Database
> >
> >Hey, any radio people out there?  I was wondering if there exists a
> >radio tracking frequency database for the 200.  If not, I have started
> making one, and can send it to sites/people if you would like it.
> <snip>
>
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I don't know... I used MS Exchange's editor to compose the message.
Perhaps my copy of MicroSponge has a problem.  Sorry about the trouble.

Phil

>----------
>From:  BOYD S. MINERSMTP:k4kep@IX.NETCOM.COM
>Sent:  Monday, October 06, 1997 12:08 PM
>To:    HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>Subject:       Re: Radio Database
>
>PHIL,
>
>WHAT KIND OF A BUG DID YOU BREED FOR THIS MESSAGE. I USUALLY HAVE NO
>TROUBLE PRINTING INCOMMING MESSAGES. HP OMNIBOOK 5500 NOTEBOOK BJ200
>PRINTER DOS 6.22 WFWG 3.11.
>
>THIS FILE CAUSES THE PRINTER TO ERROR OUT AND LOCK UP EVERY ATTEMPT ON
>THE FIRST SEVERAL CHARACTERS.
>
<snip>
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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:04:53 -0400
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No problems printing it here from Eudora.

Mark

At 01:03 PM 10/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I don't know... I used MS Exchange's editor to compose the message.
>Perhaps my copy of MicroSponge has a problem.  Sorry about the trouble.
>
>Phil
>
>>----------
>>From:  BOYD S. MINERSMTP:k4kep@IX.NETCOM.COM
>>Sent:  Monday, October 06, 1997 12:08 PM
>>To:    HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>>Subject:       Re: Radio Database
>>
>>PHIL,
>>
>>WHAT KIND OF A BUG DID YOU BREED FOR THIS MESSAGE. I USUALLY HAVE NO
>>TROUBLE PRINTING INCOMMING MESSAGES. HP OMNIBOOK 5500 NOTEBOOK BJ200
>>PRINTER DOS 6.22 WFWG 3.11.
>>
>>THIS FILE CAUSES THE PRINTER TO ERROR OUT AND LOCK UP EVERY ATTEMPT ON
>>THE FIRST SEVERAL CHARACTERS.
>>
><snip>
>>
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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:19:36 -0500
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>
>I am trying to install a Trans Digital TransPC card and Iomega (Epson) ZIP
>drive.  After going through the TransPC install, which seems to be ok, I ran
>the Guest program.  I get an error message and no install.  The message is:
>Epson Guest Driver Version 4.01
>Finding a drive letter for your Epson drive...
>No drive letters were added.
>run-time error R6001
>- null pointer assignment
>
>my config.sys:
>buffers=20,0
>files=45      /: yes this is large, but I have an app that requires it /:
>lastdrive=M
>install d:\bin\cic100.exe /gen 1
>
>my autoexec.bat:
>prompt &p&g
>path=c:\_dat;d:\bin;c:\_sys;c:\;d:\dos;
>assign e:=a:
>200
>
>All programs (cic, guest) are being run from "pure" DOS, the system manager
>is terminated.
>I have called and talked to Epson.  They "Have not heard about the
>Trans-what?" card and do not want to be involved.  When asked about using
>true Iomega drivers, they said they did not recommend it.  With out getting
>into the legal ramifications of using the name/term "Zip" on a product,
>claiming compatibility, and etc. I went away promising not to recommend Epson
>Zip drives... but I diverge.
>
>Please help, and just what is error R6001, Epson does not know.
>
>Phil
>

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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:30:18 -0400
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From:         Quinton Jones Jr <qman@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject:      Re: POST/LX Problems

I checked and make sure that the corresponding box in the main screen is marked
with the triangle,(toggle with space bar). I've also checked and made sure
that uploading is enabled (toggle with Alt-S).

Before replying to this message, I deleted the mail.snd file hoping it
was corrupt or something. It had over 30 unsent messages.
I also un-checked the MIME check box and removed the Signature file so
that the message will be sent clean and without any delays.

Will here we go! :-)


>Make sure the corresponding box in the main screen is marked
with a
triangle (toggle with space bar). And make sure uploading is
enabled
(toggle with Alt-S).

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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:30:28 +0200
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> Andreas
>
> I HAVE SENT SEVERAL MESSAGES TO YOU DIRECT BUT THEY HAVE NOT BOUNCED =
NOT
> HAS A REPLY BEEN RECEIED.

I never received any of those messages. What address did you send it
to?

> WHAT IS THE CURRENT VERSION OF QUICK/LX?

1.0a

> IS THERE A VERSION FOR DOS??????? SOMEWHERE I THOUGHT I HAD SEEN =
A
> COMMENT THAT IT IS AVAILABLE.

Yes. It is on the distribution disk and named QUICKDOS.COM.

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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:27:10 -0500
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Subject:      TransPC and Zip Drive (R6001 error?)
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I am trying to install a Trans Digital TransPC card and Iomega (Epson)
ZIP drive.  After going through the TransPC install, which seems to be
ok, I ran the Guest program.  I get an error message and no install.
The message is:
Epson Guest Driver Version 4.01
Finding a drive letter for your Epson drive...
No drive letters were added.
run-time error R6001
- null pointer assignment

my config.sys:
buffers=20,0
files=45      /: yes this is large, but I have an app that requires it
/:
lastdrive=M
install d:\bin\cic100.exe /gen 1

my autoexec.bat:
prompt &p&g
path=c:\_dat;d:\bin;c:\_sys;c:\;d:\dos;
assign e:=a:
200

All programs (cic, guest) are being run from "pure" DOS, the system
manager is terminated.
I have called and talked to Epson.  They "Have not heard about the
Trans-what?" card and do not want to be involved.  When asked about
using true Iomega drivers, they said they did not recommend it.  With
out getting into the legal ramifications of using the name/term "Zip" on
a product, claiming compatibility, and etc. I went away promising not to
recommend Epson Zip drives... but I diverge.

Please help, and just what is error R6001, Epson does not know.

Phil

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Date:         Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:10:33 +0000
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Does anyone know whether its allowed to plug the ac adaptor in and
out while the hp is on ?
Do I have to fear the loss of data because of the lx switching from
ac to battery or vice versa ?

TIA

Regards,
Christof

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Date:         Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:50:29 +0000
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Did anyone install the Writers Toolkit (or parts of it) successfully
on his hp ? I've got even problems to install it on my desktop.
The installation program prompts for "Disk 1", I insert it but the
prompt remains.

Any help is very much appreciated.

Regards,
Christof

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Date:         Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:06:44 +0000
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I used a third party adaptor but 2 days ago it showed a small cloud
of smoke above it, along with the typical smell indicating that an
electrical device stopped working for ever...

I will pay for shipping to Germany and I'll pay cash in advance.

Regards,
Christof

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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:26:52 -0400
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From:         Quinton Jones Jr <qman@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject:      Re: POST/LX Problems

Well that did the trick, my mail was sent. :)

Regards,
Qman


>Before replying to this message, I deleted the mail.snd file
hoping it was corrupt or something. It had over 30 unsent messages.
I also un-checked the MIME check box and removed the Signature
file so that the message will be sent clean and without any delays.

Well here we go! :-)


>Make sure the corresponding box in the main screen is marked
with a
triangle (toggle with space bar). And make sure uploading is
enabled
(toggle with Alt-S).

Andreas D&A

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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:13:22 -0700
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From:         Karl DeLyria <kdelyria@METASKILLS.COM>
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Yes I would.

Please send it to me.

TIA

Karl
At , you wrote:
>When I was have flash card problems . I found and installed the acecard
>driver and the flash card worked fine. If you would like to try this
>driver, let me know and I'll send it. :-)
>
>
>
>>I have a SUNDISK 2.5 meg flashdisk. It works on my HP omnibook 300 but I
>can not get it to work on my 200LX. What do I have to have to make it work
>on the LX?
>
>TIA
>Karl
>
>
>
>
>
>Regards,
>Qman
>
>HP 100/LX Computing in the palm of your hands
>
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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:23:46 -0400
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Does anybody know how to set the time in the 200LX to have a leading
zero?

What I'm doing is, I have a NoteTaker file that I use as a log of what
goes on with a network throughout the day.  I have a separate record
for each day and in each record I just hit the time stamp key (Fn-.),
put a colon, and then describe the problem/event/whatever that caused
me to make this entry.  But, if it's before 10:00 in the morning (I
have it set to use 24-hour format) it will paste as:

 9:01:22

instead of

09:01:22

as I'd prefer, to keep it left justified.  I could just put the 0 in
manually... but that kind of lessens the useuflness of having a dedicated
"time stamp" key.  I couldn't find anything about this in the 200LX
manual, but then I didn't do a thorough search either.  Anybody know=
 if
it can be done?


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I've got the full version on my flashcard right now.  Great program,=
 but it needs a few changes to run more effectively (such as changing=
 the config to swap to drive C instead of the much slower drive A, while=
 still leaving the data files on drive A.)  You got the 5.25" disks,=
 or the 3.5" disks?  The disks have to be labeled "DISK01," "DISK02,"=
 etc., at least in the 5.25" version.

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From:         Quinton Jones Jr <qman@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject:      Re: Palmtop Paper???

I just checked the mail box and still no HP Palmtop Paper.
But someone on the list stated that they had gotten theirs last week.
:-(


>Has anyone received their HP Palmtop Paper issue for
Sept-Oct?

No not me!

I'm still waiting for the paper version, I got the disk version
from 3
weeks ago.

Zzzzzzzz




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Quinton Jones Jr <qman@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:

> I just checked the mail box and still no HP Palmtop Paper. But someone
> on the list stated that they had gotten theirs last week. :-(


Mine came on Saturday. PC Card special issue was with it. Really small
this time.   8-(

PR
---------


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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:06:13 -0600
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Subject:      Re: Palmtop Paper???
Comments: To: qman@EARTHLINK.NET
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     Hi!
     I got my PP today and they got problems.

     Helmut in Colorado


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Subject: Re: Palmtop Paper???
Author:  Non-HP-qman (qman@EARTHLINK.NET) at HP-ColSprings,shargw1
Date:    10/6/97 2:25 PM


I just checked the mail box and still no HP Palmtop Paper.
But someone on the list stated that they had gotten theirs last week.
:-(


>Has anyone received their HP Palmtop Paper issue for
Sept-Oct?

No not me!

I'm still waiting for the paper version, I got the disk version
from 3
weeks ago.

Zzzzzzzz




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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:11:51 -0400
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From:         mdstockr <mdstockr@NEO.LRUN.COM>
Subject:      Re: Palmtop Paper???
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Just got mine today!!!

--- On Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:25:08 -0400  Quinton Jones Jr <qman@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:

>I just checked the mail box and still no HP Palmtop Paper.
>But someone on the list stated that they had gotten theirs last week.
>:-(
>
>
>>Has anyone received their HP Palmtop Paper issue for
>Sept-Oct?
>
>No not me!
>
>I'm still waiting for the paper version, I got the disk version
>from 3
>weeks ago.
>
>Zzzzzzzz
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
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>Qman
>
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______________________________________________

  "Michael Stocker" <mdstockr@neo.lrun.com>
           10/6/97 5:11:11 PM EDT
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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:26:44 -0500
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Could you elaborate a bit on "problems"?

Phil

>----------
>From:  Helmut GrossingerSMTP:HELMUT_GROSSINGER@hp-colsprings-om1.om.hp.com
>Sent:  Monday, October 06, 1997 4:06 PM
>To:    HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
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>
>     Hi!
>     I got my PP today and they got problems.
>
>     Helmut in Colorado
<snip>
>

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Date:         Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:07:14 -0400
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Subject:      SUPER site via FTP?

Hello.   Can anyone tell me how to reach the SUPER site
via FTP?

Thanks in advance.

Domingo

Net-Tamer V 1.06H For HP100/200 & OG700 - Test Drive

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----- forwarded message -----
> From "John R. Doyle" <jd@hublabels.com>
> Subject Re: Internet browser & email client
> Date Mon Oct 06 18:05:44 1997
>
> Check out website www.dasoft.com....  They have a great email & web
> browser program for the HP
>
> Date         Sat, 4 Oct 1997 14:17:17 +0800
> From Raymond Li <rayli@HK.SUPER.NET>
> Subject      Internet browser & email client
>
> I have a HP 200LX and a Hayes Optima 33.6k PC card modem.  Can
> anyone tell
> me how to set up for surfing the internet and sending and
> receiving email.
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Raymond




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On Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:10:33 +0000, you wrote:

>Does anyone know whether its allowed to plug the ac adaptor in and
>out while the hp is on ?
>Do I have to fear the loss of data because of the lx switching from
>ac to battery or vice versa ?
>
>TIA
>
>Regards,
>Christof
You know it is kind of hard to unplug the AC cord if you are=20
charging..  Take a look at your screen and you will see what
I am saying.

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        Hi!
        OK. They say that subscription is down because people could not find
200lx in the stores. They request every one to subscribe if your subscription is
due. But Godstein says he will continue to support and publish  the palmtop
paper.


        Helmut in Colorado


Could you elaborate a bit on "problems"?

Phil

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>     Hi!
>     I got my PP today and they got problems.
>
>     Helmut in Colorado
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Hi, Dieter,

>    http://www.oohito.com/200lx/200lx_j.htm

The site you described is the home page of Mr. Eiichiroh Itoh, one of
the most famous freeware developers for HP palmtops and Win CE.  He
wrote software such as LXDC, W32 Filer, GETAREA and others for the
HP200LX platform.  The majority of his software are available with
English documentation from S.U.P.E.R. sites or from the web site of
Thaddeus Computing.

> software, i.e. named cbcalc02.lzh (calculator inside memo) or

'cbcalc' stands for clipboard caluculator, which evaluated the statement
in the clipboard and return the results via clipboard.  You can use not
only memo but other SysMgr application, such as Database.

Toshiki Sasabe
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Does anyone know if it is possible to repair the right hinge of an ancient
100LX where the metal spring has broken in 2 permitting the screen to lift
off from the keyboard on that side?  Where can one get a replacement
spring?

Thanks.

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     Hi!
     I got it, it's great.

     Helmut in Colorado


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Blatent promotion from happy user: Yellow Computing CDROM
Author:  Non-HP-jez.cunningham (jez.cunningham@AHQPS.ALCATEL.FR) at
HP-ColSprings,mimegw1
Date:    10/3/97 2:09 PM


A plug for a great product, that I haven't seen mentioned enough: Yellow
Computing's hplx CD-ROM.  Extract from web page:

HP Palmtop Software CD-ROM
--------------------------
This CD-ROM contains a lot of useful software for your Hewlett Packard
palmtop. The convenient user interface allows immediate installation
onto the PC or palmtop.

It contains the complete version of the well-known TRANSFILE WIN 200
Connectivity Software for all Windows versions in 4 languages, and the
HP Personal Organisation package - HP PIM for Windows which uses the
exact same file format (.adb and .pdb) as on the palmtop.

Also includes Minitel emulation pour mes amis francais!

In addition, there are over 350 useful shareware items and utilities
ready to use on this CD-ROM.  (versions are from mid-96 timeframe)

Install them by a single mouse click directly on your Palmtop Computer.

Also included are electronic books (Gutenburg), multimedia video
presentations and an electronic version (.pdf format) of the HP 200LX
User manual and the HP OMNIGO 700 LX quickreference.

Languages: English, German, French, Spanish (multilingual)

Price: 69,00 DM  (~$40)

See for all details:
http://www.yellow.de/prod/hp/e_prod_hp_k_hpscd.stm

I'm just a contented user with no connection to Yellow Computing
Jez

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Yes, you can leave the adapters plugged in all the time without adverse
effects.
With the HP200 not plugged in, the ps does not draw any current, therefore,
it in effect is not plugged in.

DEMON

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Who you calling "Ancient"?. Confirming its the right hinge spring and not
the case that is broken. I'm looking at my spare case. Could it be that
your spring pen, may have just worked loose. Any case I have one.


Regards,
Qman

At 06:54 PM 10/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone know if it is possible to repair the right hinge of an ancient
>100LX where the metal spring has broken in 2 permitting the screen to lift
>off from the keyboard on that side?  Where can one get a replacement
>spring?
>
>Thanks.
>
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Obviously, simply an attempt to try and improve the short term cash flow situation.

Hopefully, they will succeed since this is a great 200LX resource.

--- On Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:45:44 -0600  Helmut Grossinger
<HELMUT_GROSSINGER@HP-COLSPRINGS-OM1.OM.HP.COM> wrote:

>        OK. They say that subscription is down because people could not find
>200lx in the stores. They request every one to subscribe if your subscription is
>due. But Godstein says he will continue to support and publish  the palmtop
>paper.
>
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->Who you calling "Ancient"?. Confirming its the right hinge spring and
->not the case that is broken. I'm looking at my spare case. Could it be
->that your spring pen, may have just worked loose. Any case I have one.

Actually it's a 100LX I would like to keep as a "spare" since I am now
using a "modern" 200 LX.  On looking more carefully and under
magnification (those eyes are not what they used to be <g>) I notice that
in fact it is the plastic attachment from the screen to the right hinge
that broke off.  Darn, I guess that means there is not much chance to fix
it myself.  What a shame!

Thanks for responding.  I might take the right hinge apart some day just
to see what is in it.  Probably won't be able to get it back again, but it
is not much use this way.

Jeff

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On Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:07:14,
        Domingo Diaz-Vazquez <ddvteach@DIGITAL.NET> Wrote:

> Hello.   Can anyone tell me how to reach the SUPER site
> via FTP?

ftp.palmtop.net/pub/

Now wasn't that easy :-)

Cheers,





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W5GXL wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:10:33 +0000, you wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know whether its allowed to plug the ac adaptor in and
> >out while the hp is on ?
> >Do I have to fear the loss of data because of the lx switching from
> >ac to battery or vice versa ?
> >
> >TIA
> >
> >Regards,
> >Christof
> You know it is kind of hard to unplug the AC cord if you are
> charging..  Take a look at your screen and you will see what
> I am saying.
>
> ___
>       73  Dean W5GXL
>           deanl@bigfoot.com

I unplug my HP while it is on.  Actually, the only way to unplug it when
it is off is to disable charging.  When it no longer detects the
presence of the AC Adaptor, the HP will stop charging and swtich to the
batteries.  I have lost no data from doing this.

-Jeremy

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Hi Dieter,
        Does this W32Filer work on Windows 3.1?

Bob Aldrich
Los Angeles

Dieter Schoppitsch wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> Maybe anybody is interested in japanese software for the hp200.
>
> Yesterday I downloaded from
>
> software, i.e. named cbcalc02.lzh (calculator inside memo) or w32fl04c.lzh
> (connect hp-filer to win32-machine).
>    http://www.oohito.com/200lx/200lx_j.htm
> 8 files of software with (unfortunately) japanese description - but it's
> worth to try this software. For example, running w32filer (36k) on your
> desktop allows the hp-filer to contact your desktop like an inbuildt drive
> (an alternative to transfile?).
>
> Regards
> Dieter

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Hp may recommend a 750mA supply, but that's convenient since that's what
they sell, eh?

Ive been using the $13 Rad-Shack of 12v at 500mAh for a year now with no
probs, even on line and re-charging.

     G A T E S 9 9 @ M E D C O R . M C G I L L . C A

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> >Does anyone know whether its allowed to plug the ac adaptor in and
> >out while the hp is on ?
>
> You know it is kind of hard to unplug the AC cord if you are
> charging..  Take a look at your screen and you will see what
> I am saying.

I DON'T see what you're saying. I do this all the time without problem.

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Glue, weld or otherwise attach something between the ENDCAP and the
edge of the top half.  This will provide much-needed rigidity, will
preserve the alignment, and will prevent the stress from breaking the
rest of it.  Ugly, mind you.....  I used a piece of black plastic from
a floppy, filed down the weld-warts, and it was just fine until
I dropped it on the concrete....  Maybe avoid the last step...

/mark

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I have written the author of a TI-85 emulator.  They are going to send
me the source and I will modify it to run on the palmtop.  I will post
it to my site when I finish it.

-Jeremy

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Date:          Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:41:45

Repeat transmission.  This message appears not to have been
delivered.  My apologies if I'm the only one who did not get a copy.
BC.


Hello to All,

While writing some time ago on the possibility of powering the HPLX
via solar cells, another lateral thought sprang to mind, but although
it was all prepared and ready to e-mail, I decided that maybe nobody
would be interested.  However, there have been several "wish list"
type of comments recently, so here's another possibility, spurred on
mainly by Owen Samuelson blowing off a little bit of steam.

On Wednesday, 17 September 1997, Owen wrote:

< Snip>

< I want a newer faster processor, more memory, at least 16 levels of
< grey scale display (256 color would be nice but I'll give a little), 2
< type II PCMCIA slots, figure out a way to squeeze in 4 AA batteries at
< 3V to give 2x current for longer runtime between charging.

< Snip>

I was originally thinking of the two ideas (solar power and increased
battery capacity) as being linked, but simply doubling the battery
capacity as you want, Owen, has merit on its own.

I have never taken the end caps off the hinge of my 100 HPLX but I
suspect that the mechanical and electrical connections to the
lid/screen are confined to each end and that the rest is a hollow
pipe.  If this is so, or could be redesigned that way, then there
would appear to be space available inside the hinge for two AAA-size
batteries.  In fact, it would not take much of an increase in diameter
to accommodate two AA-size cells.  Just think of the extra
convenience, apart from a little added weight, to be able to double
battery life!

Of course, I am waiting for someone to tell me that the hinge-pipe on
the HPLX is already packed with stuff.  Let's hope not, because my
pipe dream hinges on it!

Sweet dreams,

Barry Collins
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There isn't really that much room in the hinge-tube.  The real trouble
is that the screen ribbon cable runs from the right side of the
palmtop, through the tube, to the other side, up into the screen on=
 the
left.  So that could get in the way.

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Since I sometimes have a year and sometimes don't, I just set up a 5 byte
field for the month and day and a 4 byte field for the year.  Then my SSL
looks like:

Bday#"10/"

This also allows me to sort on month and day only to see all birthdays as
they will occur during the year.

Granted you lose the built in editing and formatting of the fields, but the
selection and sorting were more important for my purpose.

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There is a thing calles "SSL Statement" in the database Subset
Definition section of the "View Subset" thing.  If you open the Subset
Deff. tool, and move to the date field in your database, then press
"General".  In the box, I put the string:
Date->{9/01/1997}..{10/1/1997}
Then you name the Subset.  When selected the database will be
"sorted/filtered" to include the range of dates in the SSL statement.
When it's time to edit that subset, the SSL "box" will pop up when you
go to change the Subset Definition.
Good Luck!

Phil

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>Sent:  Sunday, October 05, 1997 11:45 PM
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>
>Hello everybody, I am new comer to this list.
>Recently I made a personal database in my 200LX ofwhich one of the
>field-type is date.  I want to make a subset based on this field but I
>don't know how, -for example- to find someone (in my database) whose
>birthday is in the month of October.
>Hope somebody can help me.
>
>THanks.
>

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Hi everybody:

Thanks for the great echo to my 'Japanese Software Email'.

Thanks to
   - Al Kind for the w32filer-manual
   - Toshiki Sasabe for the info to the website
           http://www.oohito.com/200lx/200lx_j.htm

I am just testing this software now. For instance w32filer I start from
windows 95 (sorry Bob Aldrich - I don't know if w32 is working on win3.1 -
just try) through a batch (named w32.bat):
   c:\w32filer\w32filer.exe com1 115200
from com1 with 115200 baud.

After launching this batch on my desktop and setting the hp-filer to 115200
baud I contact (F10) the desktop.

Now you can split the hp-screen and press 'remote' (F6) and the directory
of the desktop appears in the hp-filer.

As far I found out 'Copy' or 'Move' is only for (small) text-files
available (maybe there is no binary transfer possible ?).

Regards
Dieter

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From:         Stefan Peichl <stefan.peichl@METRONET.DE>
Subject:      ANN: LxPic 5.1

A new version of LxPic is now available. This is what the DOC
file says:

Version 5.1  -Multi image (animated) GIF support
(06-OCT-97)  -Space bar acts as 'single step' in animated GIFs
             -File name toggle key {X} added
             -Pixel aspect ratio now from 0.5 - 1.4
              (useful for converted CAM files)
             -Zoom factors 16 and 32 added
             -Compression and Frame entry in file info box
             -Correct display of SONY JPEG files
             -F4 (Save as B&W PCX) dither bug fixed

Multi image GIFs use a delay time between every frame. In
normal display mode, LXPIC is aware of that. But if you press
the {V}ideo key, I display the frames at maximal speed, and you
may adjust speed with the {<} and {>} keys. This is useful for
small videos, saved as multi image GIFs. Use the {Space Bar} to
single step through a video frame by frame. Press {CR} or {P}
to leave single step mode.

Converted CAM files need a pixel aspect ratio of 1.2 on the
palmtop, and of 1.4 on the desktop.

I don't follow this list regularly, so please address comments
and suggestions to my private email or CC: to me at least.

The main purpose of LXPIC is - besides providing you with a
palmtop picture viewer - to demonstrate another way of
programming. Some of my principles are:

-be modest with resources
-be downwards compatible
-avoid configuration files
-avoid need of program installation
-avoid command line switchs (users always forget them)
-give online help
-try to put everything in one executable so that the user
 can get rid of it by simply deleting one file
-use single keystroke command input
..

Hopefully you take advantage of all that!

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I, too, have gotten Tranfile 200 to work on NT... however, I noticed
that when running, it takes up 100% of the system's CPU time. Ok I
guess for transfering a couple of files, but hell to use it to transfer
several, recursed directories.

On Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:00:31 +0200 you wrote:
> A while ago someone on the list asked if TWin200 would run on windows NT. I
> tried it the other day on WIN NT 4.0 Server. It ran without any problems. I
> did not install it under NT but ran it from the diskette I carry around
> with my palmtop. It detected the palmtop without any problems and I copied
> a couple of files back and forth - no hassles at all

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For those knowledgable about the Newton Keyboard and the ability to wire directly to the 200LX, it is possible to hard wire an old Macintosh or PC keyboard in the same way? The world is loaded with old full sized keyboards ending up in the garbage can. I was just wondering if the Newton keyboard is unique or if we are encouraged to purchase the Newton for purchase sake. (I am giving thought to this direction so I can brush up on my touch typing. As much as I am away from my office, I am in need to stay in contact with a full-sized keyboard).
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On Tuesday, October 07, 1997 9:16 AM, Barry Collins
SMTP:collib@ATOM.FORENSIC.SA.GOV.AU wrote:
> Of course, I am waiting for someone to tell me that the hinge-pipe on
> the HPLX is already packed with stuff.  Let's hope not, because my
> pipe dream hinges on it!

"Hinge-pipe", "pipe dream"? I get it!

Sorry; but, I think you'll find that the 'pipe' contains the flexible
circuit board that connects the display to the 'mother board'.

Tom L

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Hello all,

Well, I just acquired the Franklin Electronics REX card (for those who
aren't familiar with it, it's a Type II PC Card with an LCD display
and five membrane-style keys and some contact manager/calendar/memo
software for $100-$180; see www.franklin.com and www.starfish.com.)
It's awfully cute, and for those people who primarily need one way
information access (there's no way to input info other than syncing
with a "real" computer) its form factor can't be beat.

My dilemna, of course, is that the syncing software runs under Windows
95, but my contact info/calendar/etc. all reside on my trusty HP
200LX.  Has anyone played around with syncing the REX card directly
with the HP (or with any other plain old DOS software like an old
version of Sidekick?)

Thanks in advance,
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I was wondering if the current version of WWW/LX supported frames. If
it does not is that support upcoming in a future version? I can't use
RocketMail unless I have a browser that supports frames.
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I posted this message a couple of weeks ago but I received no
response, so here I go again. Has anyone tried the Scrabble game on
S.U.P.E.R? I just can't seem to get it to work. I'd like somebody else
to download it and to see if they have the same problem.

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I have been waiting for someone to ask this question...  How about
support for the Keytronics "Lifetime" series infra red wireless
keyboard?  :)

Phil

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>Sent:  Tuesday, October 07, 1997 7:00 AM
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>
>For those knowledgable about the Newton Keyboard and the ability to wire
>directly to the 200LX, it is possible to hard wire an old Macintosh or PC
keyboard in the same way?
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I tried the game an it locked my 200lx up

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Mike:

        I need your address to remove you from the list!

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Hi everyone,
      I don't post much as I am a fairly new user, but I follow the list
for the info provided by knowledgable (spelling ?) users. A while back,
everyone was talking about a right hinge crack on the 200lx. I got my
4meg lx in Feburary and I thought the hinge was rather stiff, but I
kinda babied it because of the fear of the hinge crack everybody talked
about.
Guess what, yeah, it cracked yesterday.  I'm still under the year
warranty, so my question is if they send me another unit (hp express),
what's the fastest way to transfer files from one to the other. I use
transfile for windows, so I could go that route. Is the infared transfer
(machine to machine) faster. Also, I know to get my wk1,doc,gdb,etc, but
what about enviroment settings, or what other files do I need to make
the replacement unit mirror my unit. I can't see going without a 200lx,
so I think the 3 year express warranty (for 85.00 bucks, I think) is the
way to go. The hinge crack thing bothers me, looks like hp would take
care of this. Thanks in advance for your help.
                                       Terry Livingston

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Terry Livingston wrote:

> Guess what, yeah, it cracked yesterday.  I'm still under the year
> warranty, so my question is if they send me another unit (hp express),

I thought HP discontinued the express exchange for all palmtops purchased
after January... am I wrong?

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>A plug for a great product, that I haven't seen mentioned enough: Yellow
>Computing's hplx CD-ROM.  Extract from web page:
>
<SNIP>
>HP Personal Organisation package - HP PIM for Windows which uses the
>exact same file format (.adb and .pdb) as on the palmtop.

Anyone aware of this package?
Is this the Connectivity Software??
Then the obvious question,  where is it on the WEB?

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 my e-mail: apg@who.net

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The HPPIM software that runs on Windows using the .adb and .pdb file
formats is Copyright HP.  A previous post mentioned that hp had included
it on a cd-rom supplied with a Laserjet 5L(?) and Yellow have included
it on their cd-rom but it appears not to be free.
I bought the Yellow cd-rom and thoroughly recommend it!
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At 05:24 PM 10/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
>The HPPIM software that runs on Windows using the .adb and .pdb file
>formats is Copyright HP.  A previous post mentioned that hp had included
>it on a cd-rom supplied with a Laserjet 5L(?) and Yellow have included
>it on their cd-rom but it appears not to be free.
>I bought the Yellow cd-rom and thoroughly recommend it!
>Jez

This is What I have been looking for!
Where in the US can we order the CDROM?


Mark Sailer
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> I was wondering if the current version of WWW/LX supported frames. =
If

It supports frames in a very basic way: the individual frame parts
actually are stand-alone HTML documents that are displayed at the same
time if frames are fully supported. HV displays a link for each frame
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frame. Thus, frames are not displayed at the same time, but you can
access the content of the frames.

Andreas D&A

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BOYD S. MINER wrote:

> PHIL,
>
> WHAT KIND OF A BUG DID YOU BREED FOR THIS MESSAGE. I USUALLY HAVE NO
> TROUBLE PRINTING INCOMMING MESSAGES....

I am sure the mail got a fright on its way to your computer - it had to
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HE HE HE

><snip>

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<<My dilemna, of course, is that the syncing software runs under Windows
95, but my contact info/calendar/etc. all reside on my trusty HP
200LX.  Has anyone played around with syncing the REX card directly
with the HP (or with any other plain old DOS software like an old
version of Sidekick?)>>

We are looking into the feasibility of creating this software, but are
still not sure the demand will warrant it. Any input privately at
carl@shier.com would be appreciated.

     Regards,

     Carl Merkle
     Director of Corporate Projects
    Shier Systems & Software, Inc.

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     Hi!
     I got mine three weeks ago and I like what is on it. you can find them
     at WWW.Yellow.de.com. They are a German company.

     Helmut in Colorado


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Date:    10/7/97 10:46 AM


At 05:24 PM 10/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
>The HPPIM software that runs on Windows using the .adb and .pdb file
>formats is Copyright HP.  A previous post mentioned that hp had included
>it on a cd-rom supplied with a Laserjet 5L(?) and Yellow have included
>it on their cd-rom but it appears not to be free.
>I bought the Yellow cd-rom and thoroughly recommend it!
>Jez

This is What I have been looking for!
Where in the US can we order the CDROM?


Mark Sailer
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<<I have been waiting for someone to ask this question...  How about
support for the Keytronics "Lifetime" series infra red wireless
keyboard?  :)>>

Mack at Times2Tech was going to work on this. I'm not sure how far it got=
=2E
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us
people to do upgrades.

     Regards,
     Carl Merkle

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<<For those knowledgable about the Newton Keyboard and the ability to wir=
e
directly to the 200LX, it is possible to hard wire an old Macintosh or PC=

keyboard in the same way? <snip> I was just wondering if the Newton
keyboard is unique or if we are encouraged to purchase the Newton for
purchase sake.>>

I'm told by the experts that the Newton keyboard is the only keyboard
that'll work with the 200LX without an additional power source. All other=

keyboards require more power than the two AA's in the 200LX can provide. =
Of
course drivers could be written for other keyboards, but you're still lef=
t
with a less portable solution because of the power issue. For many years
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At 04:52 PM 10/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
><<My dilemna, of course, is that the syncing software runs under Windows
>95, but my contact info/calendar/etc. all reside on my trusty HP
>200LX.  Has anyone played around with syncing the REX card directly
>with the HP (or with any other plain old DOS software like an old
>version of Sidekick?)>>
>
>We are looking into the feasibility of creating this software, but are
>still not sure the demand will warrant it. Any input privately at
>carl@shier.com would be appreciated.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Carl Merkle
>     Director of Corporate Projects
>    Shier Systems & Software, Inc.
>
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>
How about a PIM that will use the RAW HPx100 files from the
phone/appointment, memo and notes apps?
If it could EASILY use the data right off the HP via the serial cable (use
the HP as a drive) then you wouldn't even have to "sync" the data.

There is no more "sync software" developement by the big name companies any
more.  They have all gone the WinCE route. : ((

Please do work on it!  I'll be willg to Alpha/Beta test.  I live and die by
m HP200.




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I suspect the Newton keyboard uses something pretty close to
RS-232 serial protocol. Which is not a PC keyboard delivers.

Carl Merkle wrote:

> <<For those knowledgable about the Newton Keyboard and the ability to wire
> directly to the 200LX, it is possible to hard wire an old Macintosh or PC
> keyboard in the same way? <snip> I was just wondering if the Newton
> keyboard is unique or if we are encouraged to purchase the Newton for
> purchase sake.>>
>
> I'm told by the experts that the Newton keyboard is the only keyboard
> that'll work with the 200LX without an additional power source. All other
> keyboards require more power than the two AA's in the 200LX can provide. Of
> course drivers could be written for other keyboards, but you're still left
> with a less portable solution because of the power issue. For many years
> REMKEY has been around to let you use your desktop keyboard attached to
> your desktop to type on your 200LX.
>
>      Regards,
>      Carl Merkle
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Correct... HP did discontinue the Express Exchange for 97... But as far as I
know, they still offer it on the 3-year extension.  Also, HP officially does
not recognize the fact that there is a serious material/assembly problem on the
newer 200LXs... I tried to get them to fix mine... And they wanted me to pay
$300 for them to fix it "because it was my fault".  Yeah, right, it's my
fault... I opened and closed it too much!  Rrrriiiggghhhttt.

I love HP for their overall product quality... But, IMHO, since Singapore got
control of the Handheld division, support and reputation has suffered.

For the gentleperson who's LX just developed the crack, my condolences.  Your
options: call HP and be prepared to part with $$$... or: break out the krazy
glue!  For what it's worth, my LX developed the crack after the 5th month of
usage, but since I fixed it, it's been holding just fine.  Not a lick of hinge
trouble at all!  Out of curiosity, how long into you LX's service life did your
crack develop?

Good luck,
Bill

Bill Childers - Computer Consultant
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*** The more I use Windows 95, the more I appreciate my 200LX. ***

****************
You Wrote:
Terry Livingston wrote:

> Guess what, yeah, it cracked yesterday.  I'm still under the year
> warranty, so my question is if they send me another unit (hp express),

I thought HP discontinued the express exchange for all palmtops purchased
after January... am I wrong?

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I would suggest an even simpler REX solution:

Just have an EXM compatible program that syncs directly with REX plugge=
d into
the LX.
If such was available, I would be tempted to by it and a REX.

Paul :-)





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At 04:52 PM 10/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
><<My dilemna, of course, is that the syncing software runs under Windo=
ws
>95, but my contact info/calendar/etc. all reside on my trusty HP
>200LX.  Has anyone played around with syncing the REX card directly
>with the HP (or with any other plain old DOS software like an old
>version of Sidekick?)>>
>
>We are looking into the feasibility of creating this software, but are=

>still not sure the demand will warrant it. Any input privately at
>carl@shier.com would be appreciated.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Carl Merkle
>     Director of Corporate Projects
>    Shier Systems & Software, Inc.
>
How about a PIM that will use the RAW HPx100 files from the
phone/appointment, memo and notes apps?
If it could EASILY use the data right off the HP via the serial cable (=
use
the HP as a drive) then you wouldn't even have to "sync" the data.

There is no more "sync software" developement by the big name companies=
 any
more.  They have all gone the WinCE route. : ((

Please do work on it!  I'll be willg to Alpha/Beta test.  I live and di=
e by
m HP200.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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I saw on some posts that HP PIM (apparently 200LX apps that will run on a
Windows computer) was included with HP's LaserJet 5Lxtra printer. The
company I work for has several HP 6Ls but the software is not included with
this printer. I have also looked on HPs web site, but still I can not find
this application. Anyone know where it can be had?

Thanks,
Billy F. Staggs

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G'dday!   (Can't say "Good Morning", as it is here, because most of
you guys are probably in bed by now on the night before),

To those who responded to my "pipe dream", thanks for your trouble.
Most of my ideas go up in smoke, anyway, but I thought I should suck
it and see.

On Tuesday, 7 October 1997, David Sargeant wrote:

< There isn't really that much room in the hinge-tube.  The real
< trouble is that the screen ribbon cable runs from the right side of
< the palmtop, through the tube, to the other side, up into the screen
<on the left.  So that could get in the way.

On the same day Tom LaRoche wrote:

< Sorry; but, I think you'll find that the 'pipe' contains the
< flexible circuit board that connects the display to the 'mother
< board'.

From these comments there is still a last hope.  If the circuit
connection is both flat and flexible, then maybe it could be re-routed
from its journey right to left inside the hinge-tube and instead be
squeezed into the base of the palmtop.  It would then only need to
cross the hinge-tube at one end.  The only other alternative would be
to redesign the components in either the base or lid so that a
right-to-left switch is not necessary; but presumably the designers
had a reason for this in the first place.

Either way, it does look as if it is not a case of a simple redesign
of the hinge-pipe for modification of current models but something
that would have to be considered for the HP LX400.

Sadly,

Barry Collins
<collib@atom.forensic.sa.gov.au>

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BOYD S. MINER wrote:
>
> YOU DID NOT SAY WHAT KIND OF DATABASE YOU WERE USING. I THINK I WOULD
> CONSIDER WAMPUM (SHAREWARE) OR POP-DBF. POP-DBF IS SMALLES BY FAR. BUT
> WAMPUM HAS SORTING BY FIELDS AND INDEXING BY FIELDS BOTH.
>
> 73 SPENCE K4KEP

I am still interesting in built-in database software in my 200LX.
Anyway thanks for your suggestion.
Ripin

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Phil Drummond wrote:
>
> There is a thing calles "SSL Statement" in the database Subset
> Definition section of the "View Subset" thing.  If you open the Subset
> Deff. tool, and move to the date field in your database, then press
> "General".  In the box, I put the string:
> Date->{9/01/1997}..{10/1/1997}
> Then you name the Subset.  When selected the database will be
> "sorted/filtered" to include the range of dates in the SSL statement.
> When it's time to edit that subset, the SSL "box" will pop up when you
> go to change the Subset Definition.
> Good Luck!
>
> Phil
>
Tks Phil.  But I want to know friends whose birthday is in the month of
October.  So my question is whether there is a wildcard string something
like Date->{9/01/*}..{10/1/*} or Date->{9/01/????}..{10/1/????} in SSL
statement.
Ripin

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These were posted in the HP Omnibook forum on Cserve some time ago. Look
for ob6dsk.zip.

At 08:27 PM 10/7/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I saw on some posts that HP PIM (apparently 200LX apps that will run on a
>Windows computer) was included with HP's LaserJet 5Lxtra printer. The
>company I work for has several HP 6Ls but the software is not included with
>this printer. I have also looked on HPs web site, but still I can not find
>this application. Anyone know where it can be had?
>
>Thanks,
>Billy F. Staggs
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Folks, Hope you don't mind another testimonial on this subject, but thoug=
ht
I'd forward a comment appearing on HPHAND today.    Regards, Carl Merkle
SS&S

-------- Forwarded Message ------------------------------------------
Subj:  Fantastic Newton Keyboar         Section: 100/200LX Hardware
  To:  All                              Tuesday, October 07, 1997 7:52:12=

PM
From:   Edward Gomez, 74100,2463        #396588

After a minor glitch in my order I finally got my Newton Keyboard from
Shier Systems today.  I would like to say that if problems do occur, Davi=
d
Shier is a person who has demonstrated to me that he will bend over
backwards to accomodate his customers.  I am very pleased with the
attention that I recieved from him.

Well that out of the way, I would like to say that the Newton Keyboard is=

an absolute must for most serious HP LX users. My first impresssion was o=
ne
of sheer astonishment. Imagine having the LX's potential weakest link tak=
en
out IN SPADES.  The machine performs like a desktop with this VERY nice
little keyboard (comes with such an attractive case and all that I've
actually begun to really appreciate Apple <VBG>).  I don't know if it was=

Avi who said that this was no wimpy little chicklet key apparatus, this
device really kicks serious butt. I totally agree. This is a very importa=
nt
contribution by Mr. Adachi (creator of the driver) to the HP's already
staggering arsenal of tools.

That's my two cents worth folks...

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Where can I find WAMPUM and POP-DBF? I did a search and came up with no=
thing!

Better still, can someone send them to me?

Regards,
Paul Szilard
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HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu on 08-10-97 13:05:21
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Subject: Re: Database in 200LX


BOYD S. MINER wrote:
>
> YOU DID NOT SAY WHAT KIND OF DATABASE YOU WERE USING. I THINK I WOULD=

> CONSIDER WAMPUM (SHAREWARE) OR POP-DBF. POP-DBF IS SMALLES BY FAR. BU=
T
> WAMPUM HAS SORTING BY FIELDS AND INDEXING BY FIELDS BOTH.
>
> 73 SPENCE K4KEP

I am still interesting in built-in database software in my 200LX.
Anyway thanks for your suggestion.
Ripin
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The URL specified does not work.


At 02:52 PM 10/7/97 -0600, you wrote:
>     Hi!
>     I got mine three weeks ago and I like what is on it. you can find them
>     at WWW.Yellow.de.com. They are a German company.
>
>     Helmut in Colorado
>
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>Date:    10/7/97 10:46 AM
>
>
>At 05:24 PM 10/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>The HPPIM software that runs on Windows using the .adb and .pdb file
>>formats is Copyright HP.  A previous post mentioned that hp had included
>>it on a cd-rom supplied with a Laserjet 5L(?) and Yellow have included
>>it on their cd-rom but it appears not to be free.
>>I bought the Yellow cd-rom and thoroughly recommend it!
>>Jez
>
>This is What I have been looking for!
>Where in the US can we order the CDROM?
>
>
>Mark Sailer
>212-449-9351
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What is REMKEY?  Software? Hardware?
Where can we get it?  How much does it cost?
How does it work?


At 04:52 PM 10/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
><<For those knowledgable about the Newton Keyboard and the ability to wire
>directly to the 200LX, it is possible to hard wire an old Macintosh or PC
>keyboard in the same way? <snip> I was just wondering if the Newton
>keyboard is unique or if we are encouraged to purchase the Newton for
>purchase sake.>>
>
>I'm told by the experts that the Newton keyboard is the only keyboard
>that'll work with the 200LX without an additional power source. All other
>keyboards require more power than the two AA's in the 200LX can provide. Of
>course drivers could be written for other keyboards, but you're still left
>with a less portable solution because of the power issue. For many years
>REMKEY has been around to let you use your desktop keyboard attached to
>your desktop to type on your 200LX.
>
>     Regards,
>     Carl Merkle
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"How about a PIM that will use the RAW HPx100 files from the
phone/appointment, memo and notes apps?

"If it could EASILY use the data right off the HP via the serial cable (use
the HP as a drive) then you wouldn't even have to "sync" the data."

I don't get it.  The HP has the PIM software.    I presume you want
to move the data to some PIM on the desktop.  Why?

Why do you need to use a PIM on the desktop?
Do you wanto a PIM (on the desktop) that is more sophisticated?


At 05:14 PM 10/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 04:52 PM 10/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>><<My dilemna, of course, is that the syncing software runs under Windows
>>95, but my contact info/calendar/etc. all reside on my trusty HP
>>200LX.  Has anyone played around with syncing the REX card directly
>>with the HP (or with any other plain old DOS software like an old
>>version of Sidekick?)>>
>>
>>We are looking into the feasibility of creating this software, but are
>>still not sure the demand will warrant it. Any input privately at
>>carl@shier.com would be appreciated.
>>
>>     Regards,
>>
>>     Carl Merkle
>>     Director of Corporate Projects
>>    Shier Systems & Software, Inc.
>>
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>How about a PIM that will use the RAW HPx100 files from the
>phone/appointment, memo and notes apps?
>If it could EASILY use the data right off the HP via the serial cable (use
>the HP as a drive) then you wouldn't even have to "sync" the data.
>
>There is no more "sync software" developement by the big name companies any
>more.  They have all gone the WinCE route. : ((
>
>Please do work on it!  I'll be willg to Alpha/Beta test.  I live and die by
>m HP200.
>
>
>
>
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>
> What is REMKEY?  Software? Hardware?
> Where can we get it?  How much does it cost?
> How does it work?

It's on the SUPER site. It's great for using the built-in hplx apps
when at home; or accessing your data without transfering it to the
larger computer.

Unfortunately, to use your desktop's keyboard, you also need your desktop;
so it is not a portable solution like the Newton keyboard.

--
Brendan Macmillan
PS all inferred from unzipping the .doc file; so this is no gospel.
        PSS ever notice how "inferred" is kinda close to infra-red?

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     Hi!
     Sorry!
     www.yellow.de/default.stm

     Helmut in Colorado


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The URL specified does not work.


At 02:52 PM 10/7/97 -0600, you wrote:
>     Hi!
>     I got mine three weeks ago and I like what is on it. you can find them
>     at WWW.Yellow.de.com. They are a German company.
>
>     Helmut in Colorado
>
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>
>
>At 05:24 PM 10/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>The HPPIM software that runs on Windows using the .adb and .pdb file
>>formats is Copyright HP.  A previous post mentioned that hp had included
>>it on a cd-rom supplied with a Laserjet 5L(?) and Yellow have included
>>it on their cd-rom but it appears not to be free.
>>I bought the Yellow cd-rom and thoroughly recommend it!
>>Jez
>
>This is What I have been looking for!
>Where in the US can we order the CDROM?
>
>
>Mark Sailer
>212-449-9351
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Thanks, I will try that if I am back at home. My office phone is an ISDN
type so it won't accept any tones anyway.

Ruediger


Domingo Diaz-Vazquez wrote:
>
> On 1997-09-29 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddv*teach*@digita
>
>      The following hints work for me (at least in Michigan; here
>      in Florida I have had some trouble using it:
>
>      1-Make sure that the volume of the palmtop  is set to the
>      loudest setting (go to Sysmgr setup).
>
>      2-When dialing, put the left underside of the palmtop on top
>      of the microphone on the phone.  That's the loudest spot on the
>      palmtop (under the pcmcia slot).
>
>      3-Go to the LXDIAL setup, and experiment with leghtening the
>      duration of each dial tone.  Also, make sure that there is
>      some pause between tones.
>
>      4-I find that it helps some to reduce or avoid outside noise.
>
>      I hope that helps some, but I know that there are differences
>      between phones and systems (for example, my answering machine
>      just looks blankly at my palmtop when I attempt to dial with
>      it, and just keeps on sounding the dial tone.
>
> Domingo Diaz-Vazquez
>

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As I fondly turned my hp200lx over and over in my hands, marvelling at its
compact size and incrediable abilities, I smugly contemplated its
superiority over the Win CE offerings. When suddenly some lettering on the
back caught my eye.

It couldn't be!

But yes. It says: "CE"

--
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Brendan Macmillan wrote:
>
> As I fondly turned my hp200lx over and over in my hands, marvelling at its
> compact size and incrediable abilities, I smugly contemplated its
> superiority over the Win CE offerings. When suddenly some lettering on the
> back caught my eye.
>
> It couldn't be!
>
> But yes. It says: "CE"
>
> --
> Brendan Macmillan
> PS yes, this really was fluff.

Same reactivity, here in Europe when seing "UL" on some electronic
pieces... (joke of course)!
Pierre

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On Tuesday, October 07, 1997 7:32 AM, Mark Jordan SMTP:mjordan@MAIL.COM
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> I, too, have gotten Tranfile 200 to work on NT... however, I noticed
> that when running, it takes up 100% of the system's CPU time. Ok I
> guess for transfering a couple of files, but hell to use it to transfer
> several, recursed directories.
>


I run it on a Vectra XU-6/200; and, while I admit that this 16 bit app is
a CPU hog, I am able to do other work while I back up my LX. It does not
respond to minimize or restore commands while running.

Tom L

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In case anyone is wondering what the CE refers to -- This means that the HP 200LX
conforms to certain standards that allow it to be sold in Europe.


--- On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:01:20 +1000  Brendan Macmillan <bren@CS.MONASH.EDU.AU>
wrote:

>As I fondly turned my hp200lx over and over in my hands, marvelling at its
>compact size and incrediable abilities, I smugly contemplated its
>superiority over the Win CE offerings. When suddenly some lettering on the
>back caught my eye.
>
>It couldn't be!
>
>But yes. It says: "CE"
>
>--
>Brendan Macmillan
>PS yes, this really was fluff.

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On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:00:06 -0400, Automatic digest processor wrote:

>From:    Andreas Garzotto <garzotto@SWISSONLINE.CH>
>Subject: Re: WWW/LX or HV
>
>> I was wondering if the current version of WWW/LX supported frames. =

>HV displays a link for each frame that it finds.

Note the HTML engine of WWW/LX is basically HV + LXPIC, both of which are
available on the SUPER site if you'd like to see how this works. Generally
it means you may have to do a bit more "previous page" requests to get to
the frame contents, but there's a really good chance it will work fine.
Given the size of the screen this is probably a good design choice.
SUPER is http://www.palmtop.net/supernew.html

Otherwise you might be able to use Arachne or Caldera WebSpyder, but I have
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Has anyone attempted to run dosperl on their LX ?

.M

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I do it all the time.  But you have to use perl 4.  Perl 5 won't work.



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PAUL WILL PUT THIS MESSAGE IN THE "HOT" FILE AND TRY TO FIND A
DISTRIBUTION COPY OR EACH AND SEND TO YOU "ZIPPED"

73 SPENCE K4KEP

Paul Szilard wrote:
>
> Where can I find WAMPUM and POP-DBF? I did a search and came up with nothing!
>
> Better still, can someone send them to me?
>
> Regards,
> Paul Szilard
> INTERNET: pszilard @ au1.ibm.com
> ============================================================================
>
> HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu on 08-10-97 13:05:21
> Please respond to HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu @ internet
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu @ internet
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Database in 200LX
>
> BOYD S. MINER wrote:
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> > YOU DID NOT SAY WHAT KIND OF DATABASE YOU WERE USING. I THINK I WOULD
> > CONSIDER WAMPUM (SHAREWARE) OR POP-DBF. POP-DBF IS SMALLES BY FAR. BUT
> > WAMPUM HAS SORTING BY FIELDS AND INDEXING BY FIELDS BOTH.
> >
> > 73 SPENCE K4KEP
>
> I am still interesting in built-in database software in my 200LX.
> Anyway thanks for your suggestion.
> Ripin
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On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Brendan Macmillan wrote:

> As I fondly turned my hp200lx over and over in my hands, marvelling at its
> compact size and incrediable abilities, I smugly contemplated its
> superiority over the Win CE offerings. When suddenly some lettering on the
> back caught my eye.
>
> It couldn't be!
>
> But yes. It says: "CE"

This ranks with the "rosebud" revelation on "Citizen Kane".

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Thanks for replying Roy. I'm glad that someone else is having problems
with that file, too. I sent a letter to administrators of the
S.U.P.E.R. site when I first had the problem but I received no reply.
I don't think files that can't run on an HP should be on that site. I
really think that Scrabble was designed only on a PC that has the full
640K available at startup.



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Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - G. Marx

Date:
       Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:56:37 -0400
  From:
       Roy Stroud <Agentrapid@AOL.COM>
 Subject:
       Re: Scrabble


I tried the game an it locked my 200lx up




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If you want the ultimate fluff on this topic, visit my current editorial page.

Brendan Macmillan wrote:

> As I fondly turned my hp200lx over and over in my hands, marvelling at its
> compact size and incrediable abilities, I smugly contemplated its
> superiority over the Win CE offerings. When suddenly some lettering on the
> back caught my eye.
>
> It couldn't be!
>
> But yes. It says: "CE"



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I tried WWW.Yellow.de.com and was unable to find a DNS entry. Am I
doing something wrong?



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>
>      Hi!
>      I got mine three weeks ago and I like what is on it. you can
find them
>      at WWW.Yellow.de.com. They are a German company.
>
>      Helmut in Colorado
>
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
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> Subject: Re: HPPIM (from Yellow Computing CD-ROM)
> Author:  Non-HP-msailer (msailer@ML.COM) at HP-ColSprings,mimegw1
> Date:    10/7/97 10:46 AM
>
>
> At 05:24 PM 10/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >The HPPIM software that runs on Windows using the .adb and .pdb file
> >formats is Copyright HP.  A previous post mentioned that hp had
included
> >it on a cd-rom supplied with a Laserjet 5L(?) and Yellow have
included
> >it on their cd-rom but it appears not to be free.
> >I bought the Yellow cd-rom and thoroughly recommend it!
> >Jez
>
> This is What I have been looking for!
> Where in the US can we order the CDROM?
>
>
> Mark Sailer
> 212-449-9351
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I looked at it again.  You might have to (yuck) break the date into
separate fields to do a two level search like that.  I'll keep messing
around with it.

Phil

>----------
>From:  RipinSMTP:ranita@MEGA.NET.ID
>Sent:  Tuesday, October 07, 1997 10:00 PM
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>
>Phil Drummond wrote:
>>
><sniped some stuff>

>Tks Phil.  But I want to know friends whose birthday is in the month of
>October.  So my question is whether there is a wildcard string something
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Hi,
I'm Frank of Regensburg/Bavaria/Germany.
I'm also a bad right hinge cracker. It happened during a meeting where I immediately fell in agony and was not able
to comment on any further discussions. Of course I'm guilty, because I opened the palmtop for use it. It would have been better not to do it. As a material scientist I consider this as totally rediculous that there is no way to get a spare one (or a repair) for free. By the way my palmtop is exactly 5 months old.

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Datum: Dienstag, 7. Oktober 1997 18:11

Hi everyone,
      I don't post much as I am a fairly new user, but I follow the list
for the info provided by knowledgable (spelling ?) users. A while back,
everyone was talking about a right hinge crack on the 200lx. I got my
4meg lx in Feburary and I thought the hinge was rather stiff, but I
kinda babied it because of the fear of the hinge crack everybody talked
about.
Guess what, yeah, it cracked yesterday.  I'm still under the year
warranty, so my question is if they send me another unit (hp express),
what's the fastest way to transfer files from one to the other. I use
transfile for windows, so I could go that route. Is the infared transfer
(machine to machine) faster. Also, I know to get my wk1,doc,gdb,etc, but
what about enviroment settings, or what other files do I need to make
the replacement unit mirror my unit. I can't see going without a 200lx,
so I think the 3 year express warranty (for 85.00 bucks, I think) is the
way to go. The hinge crack thing bothers me, looks like hp would take
care of this. Thanks in advance for your help.
                                       Terry Livingston

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You should try http:\www.yellow.de\

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Hart SMTP:hartd@ROCKETMAIL.COM
> Sent: Mittwoch, 8. Oktober 1997 14:57
> To:   HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
> Subject:      WWW.Yellow.de.com
>
> I tried WWW.Yellow.de.com and was unable to find a DNS entry. Am I
> doing something wrong?
>
>
>
> ===
> Dave Hart (hartd@poboxes.com)
> Beavercreek (Dayton), OH USA
> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
> Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - G. Marx
>
>
>
>
> >
> >      Hi!
> >      I got mine three weeks ago and I like what is on it. you can
> find them
> >      at WWW.Yellow.de.com. They are a German company.
> >
> >      Helmut in Colorado
> >
> >
> > ______________________________ Reply Separator
> _________________________________
> > Subject: Re: HPPIM (from Yellow Computing CD-ROM)
> > Author:  Non-HP-msailer (msailer@ML.COM) at HP-ColSprings,mimegw1
> > Date:    10/7/97 10:46 AM
> >
> >
> > At 05:24 PM 10/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
> > >The HPPIM software that runs on Windows using the .adb and .pdb
> file
> > >formats is Copyright HP.  A previous post mentioned that hp had
> included
> > >it on a cd-rom supplied with a Laserjet 5L(?) and Yellow have
> included
> > >it on their cd-rom but it appears not to be free.
> > >I bought the Yellow cd-rom and thoroughly recommend it!
> > >Jez
> >
> > This is What I have been looking for!
> > Where in the US can we order the CDROM?
> >
> >
> > Mark Sailer
> > 212-449-9351
> >
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childers wrote:
>
> Correct... HP did discontinue the Express Exchange for 97... But as far as I
> know, they still offer it on the 3-year extension.  Also, HP officially does
> not recognize the fact that there is a serious material/assembly problem on the
>

 I got my unit the last part of Feb 97, it developed the "hinge crack"
in the first week of October.  BTW, Hp did discontinue the express
exchange service, but if you scream loud enough (I did) the will make a
one time exception.  My replacement unit should arrive today. I went
ahead and added the service agreement for the next 2 years. They was
wanting 65.00 bucks to do the exchange on every occurence, the warranty
extension was 94.00. Seemed like a good deal. I own other hp equip
(48,41,etc) and always was impressed with their quality, now I don't
know.

Terry Livingston

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> I tried WWW.Yellow.de.com and was unable to find a DNS entry. Am I
> doing something wrong?

The correct hostname is www.yellow.de.  DE is the ISO country code
for Germany.  Although there are .com sites outside of the US, this
isn't one of them.  The URL for the English page is:

    http://www.yellow.de/e_default.stm


For a day or so after the URL was first mentioned, the site wasn't
responding, which some people may have interpreted as meaning the URL
was wrong.  The site was responding as of Monday night.

                                -Jim.

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I got mine two days ago...
-joe

Quinton Jones Jr wrote:

> I just checked the mail box and still no HP Palmtop Paper.
> But someone on the list stated that they had gotten theirs last week.
> :-(
>
> >Has anyone received their HP Palmtop Paper issue for
> Sept-Oct?
>
> No not me!
>
> I'm still waiting for the paper version, I got the disk version
> from 3
> weeks ago.
>
> Zzzzzzzz
>
>        \\\|///
>        \ ~ ~ /
>       (\ @ @ /)
>
> ---oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------
>
> Michael D. Hansen
> Copenhagen, Denmark
> E-mail: mdhansen@post7.tele.dk
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>
> Regards,
> Qman
>
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David Hart wrote:
>
> I tried WWW.Yellow.de.com and was unable to find a DNS entry. Am I
> doing something wrong?
>
try http://www.yellow.de

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I, as I believe most people are, am frustrated with HP.  It's looking more
and more like HP won't be supporting any form of upgrade path for the
DOS based palmtop series and I'm not interested in waiting 5 years for
Microtrash to release a decent version of WinCE that will provide equivelant
functionality.

I'm currently an owner of a HP200lx upgraded to 6 Meg.  I've used this little
machine to the limits of its capabilities and am starving for some form of
software (and possible hardware) update.  I'd like to get some of your
opinions on these possibilities:

   1. Speed upgrade from Thaddeus/Times2Tech and wait for something better.

   2. Go with a high-end Prolinear or Dauphin palmtop PC.

      I'd be interested in hearing comparisons of these compared to the
      hp200lx.  Keep in mind that I have no problem with loading similar
      software on these machines.

      BTW, are these companies still in business?  Their web pages seemed
      to have disappeared).

   3. Other possibilities that I may not know about.

      I've already discounted the Psion because of many inadequacies of the
      hardware.  The software seems pretty impressive though.

I'm not trying to start a palmtop war here, I'm just trying to find out what
other possibilities are on the market currently or in the near future.

Thanx!

Jeffrey Veiss (jsv@bms.com)                   PO Box 5200
Network Engineer                              Princeton, NJ 08543-5200
Corporate Telecommunications                  (609) 419-6141
Bristol-Myers Squibb, Inc.                    (609) 419-7110 (fax)

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Herrmann Frank Dr. (DN=HF27687B092B9B, MSMAIL, DE_MCH_B00BE, SCN) wrote:

> I'm Frank of Regensburg/Bavaria/Germany.
> I'm also a bad right hinge cracker.
> ...


Frank,

aren't you still in the 6 month warranty time?
Try calling 06184-92710 which is the HP service contractor in germany.

Ruediger


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Does anyone have any experience with the Toshiba Libretto, or any other mini-notebook
PC's?

I carry my 200LX around everywhere and I suspect that the Libretto is just too big,
but it is tempting.  Plus, I would love to be able to carry ACT! 3.0 Win95 around with
me all of the time.


--- On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:33:20 -0400  "Jeffrey Veiss (CTG)" <jsv@BMS.COM> wrote:

>I, as I believe most people are, am frustrated with HP.  It's looking more
>and more like HP won't be supporting any form of upgrade path for the
>DOS based palmtop series and I'm not interested in waiting 5 years for
>Microtrash to release a decent version of WinCE that will provide equivelant
>functionality.
>
>I'm currently an owner of a HP200lx upgraded to 6 Meg.  I've used this little
>machine to the limits of its capabilities and am starving for some form of
>software (and possible hardware) update.  I'd like to get some of your
>opinions on these possibilities:
>
>   1. Speed upgrade from Thaddeus/Times2Tech and wait for something better.
>
>   2. Go with a high-end Prolinear or Dauphin palmtop PC.
>
>      I'd be interested in hearing comparisons of these compared to the
>      hp200lx.  Keep in mind that I have no problem with loading similar
>      software on these machines.
>
>      BTW, are these companies still in business?  Their web pages seemed
>      to have disappeared).
>
>   3. Other possibilities that I may not know about.
>
>      I've already discounted the Psion because of many inadequacies of the
>      hardware.  The software seems pretty impressive though.
>
>I'm not trying to start a palmtop war here, I'm just trying to find out what
>other possibilities are on the market currently or in the near future.
>
>Thanx!
>
>Jeffrey Veiss (jsv@bms.com)                   PO Box 5200
>Network Engineer                              Princeton, NJ 08543-5200
>Corporate Telecommunications                  (609) 419-6141
>Bristol-Myers Squibb, Inc.                    (609) 419-7110 (fax)
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           10/8/97 10:46:24 AM EDT
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Subject:      Re: Possibilities for a new palmtop

just an aside, i've heard reports of miserable battery life with the
libretto, but don't have any experience to confirm that.

> ----------
> From:         mdstockrSMTP:mdstockr@NEO.LRUN.COM
> Reply To:     HPLX Mailing List
> Sent:         Wednesday, October 08, 1997 7:51 AM
> To:   HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject:      Re: Possibilities for a new palmtop
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the Toshiba Libretto, or any
> other mini-notebook
> PC's?
>
> I carry my 200LX around everywhere and I suspect that the Libretto is
> just too big,
> but it is tempting.  Plus, I would love to be able to carry ACT! 3.0
> Win95 around with
> me all of the time.
>
>
> --- On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:33:20 -0400  "Jeffrey Veiss (CTG)"
> <jsv@BMS.COM> wrote:
>
> >I, as I believe most people are, am frustrated with HP.  It's looking
> more
> >and more like HP won't be supporting any form of upgrade path for the
> >DOS based palmtop series and I'm not interested in waiting 5 years
> for
> >Microtrash to release a decent version of WinCE that will provide
> equivelant
> >functionality.
> >
> >I'm currently an owner of a HP200lx upgraded to 6 Meg.  I've used
> this little
> >machine to the limits of its capabilities and am starving for some
> form of
> >software (and possible hardware) update.  I'd like to get some of
> your
> >opinions on these possibilities:
> >
> >   1. Speed upgrade from Thaddeus/Times2Tech and wait for something
> better.
> >
> >   2. Go with a high-end Prolinear or Dauphin palmtop PC.
> >
> >      I'd be interested in hearing comparisons of these compared to
> the
> >      hp200lx.  Keep in mind that I have no problem with loading
> similar
> >      software on these machines.
> >
> >      BTW, are these companies still in business?  Their web pages
> seemed
> >      to have disappeared).
> >
> >   3. Other possibilities that I may not know about.
> >
> >      I've already discounted the Psion because of many inadequacies
> of the
> >      hardware.  The software seems pretty impressive though.
> >
> >I'm not trying to start a palmtop war here, I'm just trying to find
> out what
> >other possibilities are on the market currently or in the near
> future.
> >
> >Thanx!
> >
> >Jeffrey Veiss (jsv@bms.com)                   PO Box 5200
> >Network Engineer                              Princeton, NJ
> 08543-5200
> >Corporate Telecommunications                  (609) 419-6141
> >Bristol-Myers Squibb, Inc.                    (609) 419-7110 (fax)
> >
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Erling, Marshall N wrote:
>
> Has anyone attempted to run dosperl on their LX ?


Yes, it runs quite well on my 100LX. It takes 325K on disk. I usually
use it in
DOS together with the PE editor. I am not using it together with the
application manager for memory reasons. Maybe there are better memory
settings, which also allow that. I only have a 512k memory card, which
is not very much.

Nevertheless I am doing much programming for fun in trains, airplanes
and wherever. I can do something useful in all that time and Perl is
really cool. However at the moment there is only a Perl4 available for
DOS.

The Perl runs stable, it is possible to wrap Perl programs in DOS batch
files. This works, but gives some funny error messages when the program
ends. Maybe this depends on my little knowledge.

My wishlist: Perl5, a 200LX for me and a perl adaption for this special
library (forgot the name, PAL or whatever).


Ruediger

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I've just added 2M to my 200LX.  It was fairly easy; took about 3 hours
including figuring out the pinout of the 200LX's connector.  But then, I'm
pretty skilled at soldering.  You can find out about it by checking out
the web page I wrote:

http://www.upl.cs.wisc.edu/~orn/200lx.html

Rudy


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Date:         Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:16:52 -0500
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Subject:      Re: Database in 200LX

I downloaded this last month, but haven't tried it yet.

Mike
From:   Quinton Jones JR
Sent:   Sunday, July 13, 1997 11:24 AM
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Subject:        ANN: WAMPUM45.ZIP

Wampum can be found at:
http://home.cdarchive.com/shareware2/db_other/index.htm


File Name     File Size  Last Updated   Description

WAMPUM45.ZIP  362950     02/28/93       dBASE-Compatible Relational Data Base



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From:   Paul Szilard
Sent:   Tuesday, October 07, 1997 11:15 PM
To:     HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject:        Re: Database in 200LX

Where can I find WAMPUM and POP-DBF? I did a search and came up with nothing!

Better still, can someone send them to me?

Regards,
Paul Szilard
INTERNET: pszilard @ au1.ibm.com
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Hello - Some time ago (when the list was supported by the palmtop.net site) I was subscribed to a daily digest instead of to each message. Does that possibility still
exist?. I've tried the command "subscribe hplx-d" but it didn't work...


<salu2>
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To get a list of commands, send "help" to the list server, to set
digests send "set digests" to the server.  The server address is:
LISTSERV@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
The mailing list is:
HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu

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I received my copy last week, btw it was my first issue, I'm a new
subscriber.  So I was chagrined to learn that the Paper is in trouble.  O=
ne
reason I subscribed was to get the annual subscriber power disk due with
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On Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:45:21 -0500, Stan Peters wrote:

>I suspect the Newton keyboard uses something pretty close to
>RS-232 serial protocol. Which is not a PC keyboard delivers.

Actually the PC keyboard does generate fairly standard RS232 signals,
although as I recall it the baud rate is non-standard. I once had to
interface one to a Z80 based machine, and fed it into a standard
serial interface with a few software tweaks.

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Subject:      When a 200LX falls...

Yesterday I again dropped my 200LX. Each time this happens my heart pounds as I turn the unit on to see if it still works. Yes, I said, "each times this happens". I thought it would be interesting to start a thread to share some horror stories of dropped units. I have several to tell. The purpose for my comment is to share my appreciation for the quality of this Hewlett Packard product. I think we sometimes take it for granted. I had the distinct honor of having dinner with Dr. Deming before he died. I like to say that I caught his intolerance for poor workmanship and design. How I wish all manufacturers were as quality conscious as HP. Instead we have money hungry losers whose only objective is to get the product out the door hoping it will work long enough before it is made obsolete by some new design. (sorry for the sermon)
One quick story:
Dropped unit on asphalt street at 5 feet. Scars to prove it. The round "tube" hinge pulled away from the bottom half. Still worked. I was afraid to do anything about it for a couple days. Finally squeezed the tube and base together and it surprizingly snapped right back together!
I hope I am not the only one interested in hearing your horror stories and outcome. (Might be educational too).
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Subject:      AC adapter Info

The following AC Adapter Information was obtained for my 100LX
User's
Guide page A-6 and A-7.

Because of the special HP 100LX power requirements, you need to
use the
HP F1011A adapter, or one like it. This is a regulated AC to
DC
converter with these specifications:

Polarity: Negative ( center contact on adapter is ground, outer
contact
is positive).

Minimum voltage: +9.6 V
Nominal voltage  +12 V
Maximum voltage: +14.4 V
Maximum current: 750 mA

HP F1011A Adapter Continuous Charge Rate as per. page A-4:

The first 6 hours: 100 mA
After 6 hours:     45  mA

Can some check and see it the above spec is the same for the 200LX. :)

I've found that the 100LX works just fine with +9.0 V and 500 mA.
It killed a +11.0 V with 300 mA in just a little over 3 weeks and a
+12 V with 300 mA within a year and a half.

I was using a +12 V with 800 mA but after reading the Maximum current of:
750 mA. I've discontinued its use.


>HP recommends 12v at at least 750ma. I bought a 12v-1amp ps
from
Radio Shack for $23, which I thought was a good deal.








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Qman

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On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:24:51 -0500, Phil Drummond wrote:

>To get a list of commands, send "help" to the list server, to set
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On Wed, 8 Oct 1997, Neil Tungate wrote:
> >I suspect the Newton keyboard uses something pretty close to
> >RS-232 serial protocol. Which is not a PC keyboard delivers.
>
> Actually the PC keyboard does generate fairly standard RS232 signals,
> although as I recall it the baud rate is non-standard. I once had to
> interface one to a Z80 based machine, and fed it into a standard
> serial interface with a few software tweaks.

The PC <--> keyboard interface is a serial link, but not like RS-232.  For
instance, the keyboard expect to see a +5v clock signal on pin 1.  I
suppose, as someone else indicated, you could create a little box with a
555 timer to simulate it, or have the keyboard driver software constantly
enable/disable the MR flag, but that would take an awful lot of CPU
cycles.


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We have a Toshiba Libretto that we picked up in Japan about six months ago.  It's the 50CTA model, Pentium 75, 800M disk, Japanese Windows95 and Japanese applications.

Battery life stinks.  And you have to turn if off (yes, off) to recharge.  If you leave it plugged in and on (a not-too-unusual configuration when using it as a non-mobile computer) the battery will discharge in about six to eight hours.  I believe Toshiba has remedied this situation in the new models.

Screen is 640x480.  I find myself scrolling too much.

Keyboard.  What can I say?  It's larger than the 200LX, but still too small for me to comfortably touch-type.  My wife has smaller hands so it doesn't bother her as much.

Booting.  The biggest difference, IMHO.  When I want to look up a phone number, for instance, with my LX, I turn it on, hit the Phone key, enter the first few letters, and there I am.  With the Libretto, I have to turn it on, wait for it to boot Win95, start the phone book app, and then look up the entry.  And when I'm done, I have to close the app, and then shut down Win95.  You can NOT turn the Libretto off by hitting the power switch.  The power switch serves only to turn the power ON.  Pressing it while on does nothing.  You have to shut down Win95, telling it to shut down the computer.

For me, this alone keeps me from using the Libretto as my primary mobile machine (it usually just sits on a desk at home).  When I need the computer, the LX is always just a "ON" button away.

Kiyoshi Akima
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I am surprised that the Libretto has no "suspend" feature. I thought that all
notebboks have this feature.  Even my IBM desktop running Win95 has this feature.
That really stinks.

--- On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:22:31 -0400  Kiyoshi Akima <kakima@USA.NET> wrote:

>Booting.  The biggest difference, IMHO.  When I want to look up a phone number, for
instance, with my LX, I turn it on, hit the Phone key, enter the first few letters,
and there I am.  With the Libretto, I have to turn it on, wait for it to boot Win95,
start the phone book app, and then look up the entry.  And when I'm done, I have to
close the app, and then shut down Win95.  You can NOT turn the Libretto off by hitting
the power switch.  The power switch serves only to turn the power ON.  Pressing it
while on does nothing.  You have to shut down Win95, telling it to shut down the
computer.
>

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I feel that the only viable options are either the PSION P5 or a Toshib=
a
Libretto plus a REX card.
They are completely different of course, and the user would need to cho=
ose the
function/cost
that suits the best.

IMHO the 200LX is still a very very good compromise (for me). Mine is x=
2 and
5MB internal + 16MB ATA.
I love the numeric keepad, and the database. Although I would love to h=
ave
multiple db files open
simultaniously (Yes I DO have Carousel) and more than one category fiel=
ds. Last
big wish would be
a backlight screen ala Pilot. I guess I am not alone...

Regards,
PS
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HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu on 09-10-97 00:41:42
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I, as I believe most people are, am frustrated with HP.  It's looking m=
ore
and more like HP won't be supporting any form of upgrade path for the
DOS based palmtop series and I'm not interested in waiting 5 years for
Microtrash to release a decent version of WinCE that will provide equiv=
elant
functionality.

I'm currently an owner of a HP200lx upgraded to 6 Meg.  I've used this =
little
machine to the limits of its capabilities and am starving for some form=
 of
software (and possible hardware) update.  I'd like to get some of your
opinions on these possibilities:

   1. Speed upgrade from Thaddeus/Times2Tech and wait for something bet=
ter.

   2. Go with a high-end Prolinear or Dauphin palmtop PC.

      I'd be interested in hearing comparisons of these compared to the=

      hp200lx.  Keep in mind that I have no problem with loading simila=
r
      software on these machines.

      BTW, are these companies still in business?  Their web pages seem=
ed
      to have disappeared).

   3. Other possibilities that I may not know about.

      I've already discounted the Psion because of many inadequacies of=
 the
      hardware.  The software seems pretty impressive though.

I'm not trying to start a palmtop war here, I'm just trying to find out=
 what
other possibilities are on the market currently or in the near future.

Thanx!

Jeffrey Veiss (jsv@bms.com)                   PO Box 5200
Network Engineer                              Princeton, NJ 08543-5200
Corporate Telecommunications                  (609) 419-6141
Bristol-Myers Squibb, Inc.                    (609) 419-7110 (fax)

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Ditto! Also for www.derive.com - no DNS entry found...

Regards,
PS
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I tried WWW.Yellow.de.com and was unable to find a DNS entry. Am I
doing something wrong?



=3D=3D=3D
Dave Hart (hartd@poboxes.com)
Beavercreek (Dayton), OH USA
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - G. Marx




>
>      Hi!
>      I got mine three weeks ago and I like what is on it. you can
find them
>      at WWW.Yellow.de.com. They are a German company.
>
>      Helmut in Colorado
>
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
> Subject: Re: HPPIM (from Yellow Computing CD-ROM)
> Author:  Non-HP-msailer (msailer@ML.COM) at HP-ColSprings,mimegw1
> Date:    10/7/97 10:46 AM
>
>
> At 05:24 PM 10/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >The HPPIM software that runs on Windows using the .adb and .pdb file=

> >formats is Copyright HP.  A previous post mentioned that hp had
included
> >it on a cd-rom supplied with a Laserjet 5L(?) and Yellow have
included
> >it on their cd-rom but it appears not to be free.
> >I bought the Yellow cd-rom and thoroughly recommend it!
> >Jez
>
> This is What I have been looking for!
> Where in the US can we order the CDROM?
>
>
> Mark Sailer
> 212-449-9351
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Thanks!

That worked. I have saved to file the huge list of s/w title on this CD=
. Should
I

a) send it to this
b) send it to people that ask me directly
c) shred the paper and burn it then scatter the ashes (just kiddingng)

Regards,
PS
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You should try http:\www.yellow.de\

Regards
Andreas Hense
Motorola Electronic GmbH
Finance Department
Eckenerstr. 28
D-24939 Flensburg

Reception : +49 (0)461 803 0
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Hart SMTP:hartd@ROCKETMAIL.COM
> Sent: Mittwoch, 8. Oktober 1997 14:57
> To:   HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
> Subject:      WWW.Yellow.de.com
>
> I tried WWW.Yellow.de.com and was unable to find a DNS entry. Am I
> doing something wrong?
>
>
>
> =3D=3D=3D
> Dave Hart (hartd@poboxes.com)
> Beavercreek (Dayton), OH USA
> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
> Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - G. Marx
>
>
>
>
> >
> >      Hi!
> >      I got mine three weeks ago and I like what is on it. you can
> find them
> >      at WWW.Yellow.de.com. They are a German company.
> >
> >      Helmut in Colorado
> >
> >
> > ______________________________ Reply Separator
> _________________________________
> > Subject: Re: HPPIM (from Yellow Computing CD-ROM)
> > Author:  Non-HP-msailer (msailer@ML.COM) at HP-ColSprings,mimegw1
> > Date:    10/7/97 10:46 AM
> >
> >
> > At 05:24 PM 10/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
> > >The HPPIM software that runs on Windows using the .adb and .pdb
> file
> > >formats is Copyright HP.  A previous post mentioned that hp had
> included
> > >it on a cd-rom supplied with a Laserjet 5L(?) and Yellow have
> included
> > >it on their cd-rom but it appears not to be free.
> > >I bought the Yellow cd-rom and thoroughly recommend it!
> > >Jez
> >
> > This is What I have been looking for!
> > Where in the US can we order the CDROM?
> >
> >
> > Mark Sailer
> > 212-449-9351
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Libretto battery last around 1 to 1.5 hours. We had two of them in the =
office.
I regard the Libretto more as a portable mains powerred device with bat=
tery
to keep the memory alive while suspended (unless used with external pow=
er
source such as a car battery, etc.).

Regards,
PS
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Nice idea ! I'll try it tomorrow and I'll inform you of my result.

So far thank you for it.

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Herrmann Frank Dr. (DN=HF27687B092B9B, MSMAIL, DE_MCH_B00BE, SCN) wrote:

> I'm Frank of Regensburg/Bavaria/Germany.
> I'm also a bad right hinge cracker.
> ...


Frank,

aren't you still in the 6 month warranty time?
Try calling 06184-92710 which is the HP service contractor in germany.

Ruediger


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Quinton Jones Jr <qman@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:

<specs from 100LX manual snipped...>

> I've found that the 100LX works just fine with +9.0 V and 500 mA.
> It killed a +11.0 V with 300 mA in just a little over 3 weeks and=
 a
> +12 V with 300 mA within a year and a half.

Not surprising about the 300 mA adapters. They're just too wimpy for
the 100/200LX.

> I was using a +12 V with 800 mA but after reading the Maximum current
> of: 750 mA. I've discontinued its use.

Why??  The 800 mA rating is the MAXIMUM LOAD for the adapter. You can
safely use an adapter with a higher max load capacity, but those with
lower ratings won't cut it. AC adapters don't try to cram the rated
load current into the palmtop (or whatever else). The only possible
problem with unregulated adapters is that the no-load voltage is often
substantially higher than the rated voltage. If you have a voltmeter
available, check and see if the no-load output is above the 14.4 max
allowed by the palmtop.

An adapter used with the palmtop should have:

     1  AT LEAST 750 mA max load capacity
        (although 500 mA types seem to be OK)

     2  Voltage (under load) above 9.6V

     3  No-load voltage less than 14.4V

     4  A connector with 5.5 mm OD 2.1 mm ID NEGATIVE center.

Anything that fits these qualifications should work fine.

PR
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Does anyone know if the @base add-on for the 1-2-3 is still available and
where I can locate a copy.  I have looked everywhere including abandonware
sites.

Thanks.

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     Hi!
     I have been using a HP power adapter for a laptop now over one year.
     Charge my 850ma weekly no problems what so ever. Max. rating is 1.5
     Amp.

     Also I would like to apologize for giving the wrong address for the
     Yellow computer company in Germany. I should have looked first in my
     book marks. Sorry.


     Helmut in Colorado

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Is it OK to use the same AC adapter for my 200LX as my 95LX?  And, if so, which one?

         95LX      200LX
         ----      -----
        82241A     F1011A
         9VAC       12VDC
         1.5A       0.75A
______________________________________________

  "Michael Stocker" <mdstockr@neo.lrun.com>
           10/8/97 7:41:56 PM EDT
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Jeffery,

I understand your frustration with the palmtop situation, having reached
that level of frustration myself.

I have been reading the CE mail list for a while after looking at the HP320
and decided that I wasn't interested in the CE machines with their current
limitations.

So I chose Mack's upgrades at Times 2 Tech.  I had the speed and the 6 MB
memory upgrades performed on my 1 MB model 200LX and have been very pleased
with the resuts.

I now no longer have to store all of the files I access constantly on the
flash card and the impact of the extra speed has been amazing.  As a note,
I get about 9 to 9.5 hours of battery time (As shown on the copy of Buddy I
started evaluating after the upgrade) from each pair of RayoVac alkalines
before the low battery alarm goes off.

As for the future, when I have to leave the 200 LX behind I'll be looking
at the new generation of subnotebooks such as the Amity vice a CE variant.
The need to have to process my files through a configuration program to go
from my desktop to palmtop doesn't appeal to me nor does the loss of the
ability to use my DOS files.

Kind of rambling I know but though this might help you decide what to do.

Best of Luck,

                        Gene


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> From: Jeffrey Veiss (CTG) <jsv@BMS.COM>
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Possibilities for a new palmtop
> Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 10:33 AM
>
> I, as I believe most people are, am frustrated with HP.  It's looking
more
> and more like HP won't be supporting any form of upgrade path for the
> DOS based palmtop series and I'm not interested in waiting 5 years for
> Microtrash to release a decent version of WinCE that will provide
equivelant
> functionality.
>
> I'm currently an owner of a HP200lx upgraded to 6 Meg.  I've used this
little
> machine to the limits of its capabilities and am starving for some form
of
> software (and possible hardware) update.  I'd like to get some of your
> opinions on these possibilities:
>
>    1. Speed upgrade from Thaddeus/Times2Tech and wait for something
better.
>
>    2. Go with a high-end Prolinear or Dauphin palmtop PC.
>
>       I'd be interested in hearing comparisons of these compared to the
>       hp200lx.  Keep in mind that I have no problem with loading similar
>       software on these machines.
>
>       BTW, are these companies still in business?  Their web pages seemed
>       to have disappeared).
>
>    3. Other possibilities that I may not know about.
>
>       I've already discounted the Psion because of many inadequacies of
the
>       hardware.  The software seems pretty impressive though.
>
> I'm not trying to start a palmtop war here, I'm just trying to find out
what
> other possibilities are on the market currently or in the near future.
>
> Thanx!
>
> Jeffrey Veiss (jsv@bms.com)                   PO Box 5200
> Network Engineer                              Princeton, NJ 08543-5200
> Corporate Telecommunications                  (609) 419-6141
> Bristol-Myers Squibb, Inc.                    (609) 419-7110 (fax)
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>--- On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:22:31 -0400  Kiyoshi Akima <kakima@USA.NET> wrote:
>
>>Booting.  The biggest difference, IMHO.  When I want to look up a phone
number, for
>instance, with my LX, I turn it on, hit the Phone key, enter the first few
letters,
>and there I am.  With the Libretto, I have to turn it on, wait for it to
boot Win95,
>start the phone book app, and then look up the entry.  And when I'm done,
I have to
>close the app, and then shut down Win95.  You can NOT turn the Libretto
off by hitting
>the power switch.  The power switch serves only to turn the power ON.
Pressing it
>while on does nothing.  You have to shut down Win95, telling it to shut
down the
>computer.
UNBELIEVABLE!  I think any company who is going to develop a sub
notebook/Palmtop should require it's development team to use the HP200LX
for 6 months prior to starting the project.


Have a good one!
Owen Samuelson  KU4ET
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>Subject: Possibilities for a new palmtop
>
>I, as I believe most people are, am frustrated with HP.  It's looking more
>and more like HP won't be supporting any form of upgrade path for the
>DOS based palmtop series and I'm not interested in waiting 5 years for
>Microtrash to release a decent version of WinCE that will provide equivelant
>functionality.
>
>I'm currently an owner of a HP200lx upgraded to 6 Meg.  I've used this little
>machine to the limits of its capabilities and am starving for some form of
>software (and possible hardware) update.  I'd like to get some of your
>opinions on these possibilities:
>
>   1. Speed upgrade from Thaddeus/Times2Tech and wait for something better.

If HP doesn't show me the upgrade in 1998, my plan is to get the 8 meg and
speed upgrade for my 200LX sometime in that year. Also want to get an EXP
14.4Kbs fax/modem with 8 meg flash on board.

>   2. Go with a high-end Prolinear or Dauphin palmtop PC.

Each person has to make their own decision on this.  If it's a big enough
upgrade and you don't mind the change in size etc. then it's not so bad.
I'd hate to buy one and 1 month later HP releases the 400LX.(this is
probably what will happen when I upgrade my 200LX, just my luck)

>   3. Other possibilities that I may not know about.
>
>      I've already discounted the Psion because of many inadequacies of the
>      hardware.  The software seems pretty impressive though.
>
>I'm not trying to start a palmtop war here.

You won't, most of us on this list love our HPLX's DOS capabilities and
just want to see a viable replacement with newer technology.


Have a good one!
Owen Samuelson  KU4ET
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>At 14:44 10/8/97 -0400, Ken Moore wrote:>
>Yesterday I again dropped my 200LX........ I hope I am not the only one
interested in hearing your >horror stories and outcome.

Well here we go,
I left my 200lx on the outside of the car where the windsheild meets the
hood about 2 years ago.  My wife drove off and while moving down a local
highway at 45 mph, she noticed it fly off the car.(thank goodness!)  By the
time she could stop and pick it up, it had been run over by a car.  As far
as I could tell, it wasn't a direct hit but the tire grazed the right side
of the unit.  The screen was cracked but all data on my c: drive and a:
flashcard was intact!  I transfered all data on c: to my PC and removed the
undamaged flashcard.  Sent the unit to HP and it cost $175.00 US to replace
the LCD screen.  Now, if HP will just design an upgrade to the 200lx with
this same quality, I will lay my money down in a heartbeat!


Have a good one!
Owen Samuelson  KU4ET
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On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:57:14 -0400, you wrote:

>>Subject: Possibilities for a new palmtop
>>
>>I, as I believe most people are, am frustrated with HP.  It's looking =
more
>>and more like HP won't be supporting any form of upgrade path for the
>>DOS based palmtop series and I'm not interested in waiting 5 years for
>>Microtrash to release a decent version of WinCE that will provide =
equivelant
>>functionality.
>

Look at the Writing on the wall..  Windows NT is not doing DOS as=20
you know it...
Windows 95 is not heavy on dos..  It will be replaced with the new
Windows 98 or what ever and I bet it will not even know what the=20
old C:\ prompt looks like...
Now...=20
Why do you think HP will have an upgrade coming out for the=20
HP-200LX  as we now know it..???
Don't bet the farm on DOS..   Sorry

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      73  Dean W5GXL
          deanl@bigfoot.com

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On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:05:09,
        Paul Szilard <pszilard@AU1.IBM.COM> wrote:

> That worked. I have saved to file the huge list of s/w title on
> this CD.. Should I
>
> a) send it to this
> b) send it to people that ask me directly
> c) shred the paper and burn it then scatter the ashes (just
> kiddingng)


I wpuld suggest "ZIPing" the file and sending it to Mitch, and/ or
anyone who wants it (via communications to you). Please don't post the
.zip file (but of course you know that :-) ), and it soundas that the
text file "native" is fairly large, and may not be of interest to many
on the LIST ( BTW we are about 580 now).

Cheers,





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        From owner-hplx-l@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU  Wed Oct  8 12:24:48 1997
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        From: Rudy Moore <orn@CS.WISC.EDU>
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        To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu

        I've just added 2M to my 200LX.  It was fairly easy; took about 3 hours
        including figuring out the pinout of the 200LX's connector.  But then, I'm
        pretty skilled at soldering.  You can find out about it by checking out
        the web page I wrote:

        http://www.upl.cs.wisc.edu/~orn/200lx.html

        Rudy


This sounds pretty interesting. A couple of questions:

        Did your machine have a memory daughtercard in it already? If
so, when you were done, how many MBs did you get? 3? I was
under the impression that the older 200LX machines had 1MB on the
daughtercard.

        Was the memory chip on the daughtercard an SOJ (it appears to
be from your pinouts)? If so, maybe one could remove that one,
and add a 1Mx16 part instead. Most of the pins seem to map, until you
get to the bottom 7 or so...then they are off by one.. Did you consider
this?

        Also, I think you have a typo in your table. I think connector
pin 27 should go to pin 15 on the 256kX16 part.

        I would like to upgrade my machine, but would want to go to at
least 5MB (I have an older 200LX). Even better would be 8MB,
but I think that requires a motherboard hack. Any clues?

David Satterfield
Sun Microsystems, Inc.            Phone:     (508) 442-2669
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I hear ya man, and it's not just the hardware that's durable. Their
products are all supplied with rock-solid software (at least the ones
that aren't Winders-based.)  I've never crashed my 200 with the
built-in software, and the same goes for my 48G, another excellent
must-have type product.

Both have had their share of crash-landings, though.  I've dropped
my 48 countless times, once down a flight of stairs, and it's survived
all of them.  My 200 has led a much healthier life, mostly because it's

a $600 machine. :)  But that's not to say it's never fallen off my desk
or out of my hand.  I don't feel like the 200 is as sturdy as the 48, but
they're both made out of some sort of high-impact plastic which has
protected me from my clumsiness.

BTW - the 48's fourth birthday is coming up - and it's running just as
well as when it started.  Using an HP in the real world is like taking =

a tank to a demolition derby.  You _know_ who's going to win. ;)

Ian Butler
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
Check the dull homepage at <http://www.caspers.net/ianrb/>
200LX Programmers Group page coming soon! <~/200lx.html>

"P.S.  People like you ought to be shot." -- Myself

----------

Yesterday I again dropped my 200LX. Each time this happens my heart pound=
s as I turn the unit on to see if it still works. Yes, I said, "each time=
s this happens". I thought it would be interesting to start a thread to =
share some horror stories of dropped units. I have several to tell. The =
purpose for my comment is to share my appreciation for the quality of thi=
s Hewlett Packard product. I think we sometimes take it for granted. I =
had the distinct honor of having dinner with Dr. Deming before he died. =
I like to say that I caught his intolerance for poor workmanship and desi=
gn. How I wish all manufacturers were as quality conscious as HP. Instead=
 we have money hungry losers whose only objective is to get the product =
out the door hoping it will work long enough before it is made obsolete =
by some new design. (sorry for the sermon)

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Greetings:

        I have downloaded the OMNIBook 600 file from CIS which has the
HP PIM apps for WINdoze. I decompressed the files from the \HPPIM\
subdirectory, ant transfered to my OMNIBook(4000). The APPTS.EXE was
able to read my APPTS.ADB from my 200LX just fine, but when I try to
use the PHONE.PDB from my LX w/ the HPPIM PHONE.EXE, the only fields
that are viewable are NAME, BUSINESS & HOME, no address fields. When
I try to the merge function, the program locks.

        Is there a trick to get this to work?

BTW: The revisions of the programs are as follows:

PHONE.EXE: "Phone Book" v A.01.11
APPTS.EXE: "Appointment Book" v A.01.11

Are these the same revs as on the YELLOW CD?

TIA & Cheers,



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I'm wondering if HP cut back on 200LX production a while back because of
plummeting sales figures, or was it because they were trying to sell
300/320LX's?  I've noticed some stores are again offering the 200LX's.
I was just thinking that HP has waited over 3 years since the 200LX came
out without offering an upgrade.  This was not the case from the 95LX to
the 100LX to the 200LX.  There is still a decent market for a DOS machine
but if they wait much longer the windows CE(or something else) units might
develop into something useful to me.
In the mean time, I'm glad I've got what I've got. My HP200LX is 100%
useful to me. (and it's paid for!)



Have a good one!
Owen Samuelson  KU4ET
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     Hi!
     The 95LX and 100LX and the first 200LX's came from the good old USA.
     Then they went to Singapore and no more upgrades.
     As a former CD 320LX user I am very glad that I now own a 200LX 4Meg
     Mem. I personally do not belief that HP Singapore will come out with a
     DOS upgrade to a 486 or so.


     Helmut in Colorado


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Author:  Non-HP-owensam (owensam@HOM.NET) at HP-ColSprings,mimegw1
Date:    10/8/97 8:59 PM


I'm wondering if HP cut back on 200LX production a while back because of
plummeting sales figures, or was it because they were trying to sell
300/320LX's?  I've noticed some stores are again offering the 200LX's.
I was just thinking that HP has waited over 3 years since the 200LX came
out without offering an upgrade.  This was not the case from the 95LX to
the 100LX to the 200LX.  There is still a decent market for a DOS machine
but if they wait much longer the windows CE(or something else) units might
develop into something useful to me.
In the mean time, I'm glad I've got what I've got. My HP200LX is 100%
useful to me. (and it's paid for!)



Have a good one!
Owen Samuelson  KU4ET
My HP200LX page:  http://www.hom.net/~owensam/ptidx.html

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Hi
I have a '93 100LX and a '94 200LX and both were made in Singapore.
Also in reply to when a 200LX falls, my 100LX kissed the pavement many times and it
keeps going strong.
2 months ago I bought a Pilot, which after 2 weeks in my shirt pocket, it decided
also to kiss the pavement. It was a kiss of death. Kaput. The display cracked. The
replacement charge was almost as much as my purchase price, so I decided to hunt for
another 000LX.
I found a 2 meg 200LX in mint condition.
And to protect it from my rough use (climbing ladders, etc.), I bought a heavy duty
leather belt pouch.
Hoping for another 4 years of service (or more).

Saludos... Jeffcom.

Helmut Grossinger wrote:

>      Hi!
>      The 95LX and 100LX and the first 200LX's came from the good old USA.
>      Then they went to Singapore and no more upgrades.
>      As a former CD 320LX user I am very glad that I now own a 200LX 4Meg
>      Mem. I personally do not belief that HP Singapore will come out with a
>      DOS upgrade to a 486 or so.
>
>      Helmut in Colorado
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
> Subject: Palmtop Availability/Usefulness
> Author:  Non-HP-owensam (owensam@HOM.NET) at HP-ColSprings,mimegw1
> Date:    10/8/97 8:59 PM
>
> I'm wondering if HP cut back on 200LX production a while back because of
> plummeting sales figures, or was it because they were trying to sell
> 300/320LX's?  I've noticed some stores are again offering the 200LX's.
> I was just thinking that HP has waited over 3 years since the 200LX came
> out without offering an upgrade.  This was not the case from the 95LX to
> the 100LX to the 200LX.  There is still a decent market for a DOS machine
> but if they wait much longer the windows CE(or something else) units might
> develop into something useful to me.
> In the mean time, I'm glad I've got what I've got. My HP200LX is 100%
> useful to me. (and it's paid for!)
>
> Have a good one!
> Owen Samuelson  KU4ET
> My HP200LX page:  http://www.hom.net/~owensam/ptidx.html
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GOOD THINKING EXCEPT.....

MAXIMUM CURRENT SHOULD BE READ AS THE MAX CURRENT THE LOAD WILL DRAW
UNDER WORST CONDITIONS. YOU CAN USE A POWER SUPPLY RATED AT 35 AMPS
THERE IF YOU WANT TO WITH NO HARM TO THE LOAD AS LONG AS THE VOLTAGE IS
WITHIN SPECS. THE LOAD WILL ONLY DRAW AS MUCH CURRENT AS IT NEEDS WHICH
IS DEPENDENT ON THE INTERNAL RESISTANCE.

IE: I USE A 35 AMP SURGE RATED ASTRON POWER SUPPLY TO POWER MY WALKIE
TALKIE ON 2 METERS OFTEN WHEN IN THE SHOP BUT THE CURRENT DRAWN IS WELL
UNDER 5 AMPS.

73 SPENCE K4KEP EX W9QNI

Quinton Jones Jr wrote:
>
> The following AC Adapter Information was obtained for my 100LX
> User's
> Guide page A-6 and A-7.
>
> Because of the special HP 100LX power requirements, you need to
> use the
> HP F1011A adapter, or one like it. This is a regulated AC to
> DC
> converter with these specifications:
>
> Polarity: Negative ( center contact on adapter is ground, outer
> contact
> is positive).
>
> Minimum voltage: +9.6 V
> Nominal voltage  +12 V
> Maximum voltage: +14.4 V
> Maximum current: 750 mA
>
> HP F1011A Adapter Continuous Charge Rate as per. page A-4:
>
> The first 6 hours: 100 mA
> After 6 hours:     45  mA
>
> Can some check and see it the above spec is the same for the 200LX. :)
>
> I've found that the 100LX works just fine with +9.0 V and 500 mA.
> It killed a +11.0 V with 300 mA in just a little over 3 weeks and a
> +12 V with 300 mA within a year and a half.
>
> I was using a +12 V with 800 mA but after reading the Maximum current of:
> 750 mA. I've discontinued its use.
>
> >HP recommends 12v at at least 750ma. I bought a 12v-1amp ps
> from
> Radio Shack for $23, which I thought was a good deal.
>
> Regards,
> Qman
>
> HP 100/LX Computing in the palm of your hands
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<<Does anyone know if the @base add-on for the 1-2-3 is still available a=
nd
where I can locate a copy.  I have looked everywhere including abandonwar=
e
sites.>>

Sure. Can you locate a copy of my Palmtop Paper article with contact
information? I don't have it handy just now. Otherwise write me privately=

and I'll find it. A special patch was written allowing it to run on the
palmtop, because the old version didn't work well. I love this program
because it is so easy to use and takes up very little room compared to th=
e
other database programs. It'll eat RAM though.

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<<I'm wondering if HP cut back on 200LX production a while back because o=
f
plummeting sales figures, or was it because they were trying to sell
300/320LX's?>>

The story is that HP stopped production of 200LX's to prepare the 300s an=
d
320s for market. Also, about the same time they filled a very large
corporate order for the 200s. When everyone who was waiting to see the 3X=
0s
saw them, many of them disappointed because it wasn't an upgrade to the
200s, just a machine made for a different market, so they bought up the
available 200 inventory. Then vendors were left with no 200 inventory for=
 a
while until HP resumed production. HP has made assurances this wont happe=
n
again. It nearly killed all the specialty retailers. The super stores who=

don't develop for the platform or care about the platform just sell other=

office products, etc.

<<  I've noticed some stores are again offering the 200LX's.
I was just thinking that HP has waited over 3 years since the 200LX came
out without offering an upgrade.  This was not the case from the 95LX to
the 100LX to the 200LX.>>

HP released an upgrade this year, going from the 2meg to 4 meg. Also pric=
es
dropped. Also third parties have been active. Witness: internet e-mail
clients, keyboard driver, Windows HP PIMs, Synchronization programs,
graphics (LXPIC/LXMAP), and so on. The whole point of an open system
platform is that 3rd parties can provide what the manufacturer can't. HP
has said they'd continue to produce this unit. Really, even though we all=

want more power, how much more power do we NEED? Where else can you find =
an
easy to use computer that works well and doesn't change all the time,
thereby minimizing the long term learning curve just to do something
useful? I don't know of a single more useful machine out on the market wi=
th
as long a shelf life. I hope its as stable and long lived as the HP12C
which hasn't changed in over 15 years and is a finance industry standard.=


     Regards,
     Carl Merkle

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All my old HP calculators and stuff fit your description below. It is not the same with my hp200LX.
The problem is not material related, but assembly related (stress due to assembly). And this seems to fit exactly with the
time hp started to assembly in the far east.
By the way have you already tried to step on your machine while laying on the ground after fallen down.
It sounds that  you are using the hp200lx like a crash test dummy.


FRAX
Regensburg/Bavaria/Germany

 ----------

I hear ya man, and it's not just the hardware that's durable. Their
products are all supplied with rock-solid software (at least the ones
that aren't Winders-based.)  I've never crashed my 200 with the
built-in software, and the same goes for my 48G, another excellent
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The list of s/w is on the www.yellow.de web site already, so there's no
point in sending it to SUPER to put it on another web site.  So it's
only sensible to consider option:

>> b) send it to people that ask me directly

(assuming they have no web access)

>I wpuld suggest "ZIPing" the file and sending it to Mitch

Jez

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Al,
I have the same rev.  To show more columns use SUBSET / ARRANGE_COLUMNS
and add what you want to see.  I haven't tried a merge so can't comment.
Jez

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At 18:32 8/10/97 GMT, you wrote:
>On Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:45:21 -0500, Stan Peters wrote:
>
>>I suspect the Newton keyboard uses something pretty close to
>>RS-232 serial protocol. Which is not a PC keyboard delivers.
>
>Actually the PC keyboard does generate fairly standard RS232 signals,
>although as I recall it the baud rate is non-standard. I once had to
>interface one to a Z80 based machine, and fed it into a standard
>serial interface with a few software tweaks.

As far as I know, the standard PC keyboard:

1- Uses 5V logic signals.
2- Uses a SYNCHRONOUS serial protocol, with a bidirectional data line.

Quite far from RS232, isn't it ?

Salu2. Nacho.

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Hello Group,
I had used a good database program called Professional File. The last
version that I have was released in 1988. It is very easy to use for can
ordinary user, but it is very functional, and even it can be used to
generate macros, and an application using "Autopilot". With "Autopilot"
you can generate a database system with windowing capability, much more
like a professional DOS application.
However, this version can only handle one data file at a time. It does
not support any field relationship like dbase III. However, it has a
capability of looking up another data file, and changing a datafile on
the fly using a macro or "autopilot". We can perform field calculations
and control them via a "goto" statement, searching capability at each
field using a wild card character, etc.
Thus, if your data file is only one at a time, I would recommend to use
this software.

Does anyone know if there is a newer version of the Professional File,
which has a capability of handling multiple files and perform field
relationship?.

Thanks & regards.

d. hendra
dxhendra@usa.net

> YOU DID NOT SAY WHAT KIND OF DATABASE YOU WERE USING. I THINK I WOULD
> CONSIDER WAMPUM (SHAREWARE) OR POP-DBF. POP-DBF IS SMALLES BY FAR. BUT
> WAMPUM HAS SORTING BY FIELDS AND INDEXING BY FIELDS BOTH.
>
> 73 SPENCE K4KEP

I am still interesting in built-in database software in my 200LX.
Anyway thanks for your suggestion.
Ripin

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Re: Software For Download (Hendra , 18:51)
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Hi Group,

For those who are performing software download frequently, it is rather
frustrating once the connection is disconnected due to one or another
reason. You have to restart the download process from the begining.

I found recently a shareware software called Go!Zailla. With this
software, you can search FTP to download any program and Go!Zilla will
optimize to find the fastest site for you. The most interesting thing is
that the download process can be resumed next time if the connection is
lost. You do not have to restart from the beginning!.You only need to
resume the download process for the rest of bytes that have not been
transfered yet !.

The Go!Zilla software can be found at http://www.hotfiles.com/.

Have a nice try.

Regards.

d. hendra
dxhendra@usa.net

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Subject:      Re: Palmtop Paper???

speaking of the ptp, due to a relocation, i need to reduce my stuff. i
hate to just toss old ptp's, so i've got the following issues for sale
as a $30 package including shipping:

V6- 1,3, and bonus issue
V5- 2,6
V4- 1,3,5,6, bonus issue, bonus issue 1
V3- 2,6

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>
> I got mine two days ago...
> -joe
>
> Quinton Jones Jr wrote:
>
> > I just checked the mail box and still no HP Palmtop Paper.
> > But someone on the list stated that they had gotten theirs last
> week.
> > :-(
> >
> > >Has anyone received their HP Palmtop Paper issue for
> > Sept-Oct?
> >
> > No not me!
> >
> > I'm still waiting for the paper version, I got the disk version
> > from 3
> > weeks ago.
> >
> > Zzzzzzzz
> >
> >        \\\|///
> >        \ ~ ~ /
> >       (\ @ @ /)
> >
> > ---oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------
> >
> > Michael D. Hansen
> > Copenhagen, Denmark
> > E-mail: mdhansen@post7.tele.dk
> > ------------------------------
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> > Qman
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><<Does anyone know if the @base add-on for the 1-2-3 is still available and
>where I can locate a copy.  I have looked everywhere including abandonware
>sites.>>
>
>Several months ago, I purchased @base as well as the @base option PAC from:
>
>Personics
>A Datawatch Company
>234 Ballardvale Street
>Wilmington, MA 01887
>
>508-658-0040 (Voice)
>508-988-0105 (Fax)
>
>Additionally, several months ago, Carl Merkle ? - who frequents this list
>wrote an article in the PTP that featured the capabilities of the product.
>It works quite well except for the fact that some of my larger spreadsheets
>take as long as a minute on a X2 HP200LX to recalculate info from the
>database.
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About 3 weeks ago, I was walking in to work, and pulled the 200 out of the
outside pocket of my laptop case(where it usually lives if I have the case
with me, otherwise, it's in my pocket.)  Fumbled, attempted to catch the
HP, ended up only making things worse.  It hit the ground incredibly hard.
The flash card flew out and landed a good 4 feet away.  The palmtop
bounced, spun around, crashed again.  Result: I now have to gouges on the
front right and back left corners(which I smoothed with the fine file on my
Leatherman. (The other really important tool.))  Other than that, no
visible damage, all the data is happy. I'm happy too.

On another note, my ex-boss did something much worse.  He was apparently
bending over to flush the toilet, and the HP fell out of his shirt pocket.
Needless to say, he snatched it out of the water, pulled the batteries,
washed it off, and being an engineer, put it in the environmental chamber
to dry.  His 200 didn't come back on.
So he calls HP Tech support and tells them he dropped it in the water, and
now it doesn't work. Tech support says "We've heard of HPs falling into
water before.  At least you didn't drop it in the toilet."  Anyway, it is
fixed, last I heard, and he's once again happy. Although I understand he
keeps it away from toilets now.


cjh

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I heard that the newest Libretto has both suspend to disk and will
keep on while recharging. Unfortunately this Libretto is available
only in Japan currently (it is not the one being sold in the US).


===
Dave Hart (hartd@poboxes.com)
Beavercreek (Dayton), OH USA
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - G. Marx

Previous message:
We have a Toshiba Libretto that we picked up in Japan about six months
ago.
It's the 50CTA model, Pentium 75, 800M disk, Japanese Windows95 and
Japanese
applications.

Battery life stinks.  And you have to turn if off (yes, off) to
recharge.  If
you leave it plugged in and on (a not-too-unusual configuration when
using it
as a non-mobile computer) the battery will discharge in about six to
eight
hours.  I believe Toshiba has remedied this situation in the new
models.

Screen is 640x480.  I find myself scrolling too much.

Keyboard.  What can I say?  It's larger than the 200LX, but still too
small for
me to comfortably touch-type.  My wife has smaller hands so it doesn't
bother
her as much.

Booting.  The biggest difference, IMHO.  When I want to look up a
phone number,
for instance, with my LX, I turn it on, hit the Phone key, enter the
first few
letters, and there I am.  With the Libretto, I have to turn it on,
wait for it
to boot Win95, start the phone book app, and then look up the entry.
And when
I'm done, I have to close the app, and then shut down Win95.  You can
NOT turn
the Libretto off by hitting the power switch.  The power switch serves
only to
turn the power ON.  Pressing it while on does nothing.  You have to
shut down
Win95, telling it to shut down the computer.

For me, this alone keeps me from using the Libretto as my primary
mobile
machine (it usually just sits on a desk at home).  When I need the
computer,
the LX is always just a "ON" button away.







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Looking at the specs of the two adapters here... NO.
Here is why.  The output of your 95's power supply is AC, the output of
the other one is DC.  Even if the palmtop has a diode or bridge in it to
protect it from the AC supply, you still won't get sufficient voltage
through the diode (or whatever).  Usually when you pass an AC signal
through a rectifier of some sort, you pay a "toll" to the semiconductor
god in the form of having to overcome the device's barrier voltage.  You
also lose some to conversion efficiency in the filtering and protection
circuits. (yes, even a fuse _must_ drop a tiny amount of voltage to
protect a circuit)
Don't do it!  Don't plug that AC power supply into that DC palmtop.

Phil

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>
>Is it OK to use the same AC adapter for my 200LX as my 95LX?  And, if so,
>which one?
>
>         95LX      200LX
>         ----      -----
>        82241A     F1011A
>         9VAC       12VDC
>         1.5A       0.75A
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what type of devices are available for plug-in to the serial port, where do
you buy them and how much do they cost?
keyboard
modem
serial to par adapter
ir device
others
the reason of course is to use my mem card at the same time.
tx for the info
Tx Roy

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David Satterfield wrote:
>        Did your machine have a memory daughtercard in it already? If

No daughtercard.  Without the daughter card connector (I didn't really
make an effort to find one of these), even a prototype PC board is out
of the question... hence the fun soldering.

>so, when you were done, how many MBs did you get? 3? I was
>under the impression that the older 200LX machines had 1MB on the
>daughtercard.

The >older<, older 200LX machines had 1M on the motherboard and
no daughter card.  Hence, 200LX 1M that can be found pretty cheap on
the net.

>        Was the memory chip on the daughtercard an SOJ (it appears to
>be from your pinouts)? If so, maybe one could remove that one,
>and add a 1Mx16 part instead. Most of the pins seem to map, until you
>get to the bottom 7 or so...then they are off by one.. Did you consider
>this?

The part on the motherboard was a TSOP II - great form factor if you're
a pick and place machine, not so good if you're doing hand soldering.
The part that I added was an SOJ package - which just barely fits within
the space in the case.

>        Also, I think you have a typo in your table. I think connector
>pin 27 should go to pin 15 on the 256kX16 part.

Thanks for checking over my pin out.  pin 27 on the 256x16 part is wrong
(there is no A9 on a 256Kx16).  Do you have a book that indicates 15 is
used for A9 in other parts?  Mine lists pine 15 as No Connection.

>        I would like to upgrade my machine, but would want to go to at
>least 5MB (I have an older 200LX). Even better would be 8MB,
>but I think that requires a motherboard hack. Any clues?

I recommend Times2Tech.  Their memory upgrade is 4M right off the bat.
And I understand they are working on an 8MB upgrade (which suggests that
they're hacking the motherboard.

Alternately, if you like to roll your own and are pretty skilled, it
looks like it will take 4 1Mx16 chips to do this, or perhaps 2 4Mx16
plus a bit of logic.  Either solution is going to require a bit of
sleuthing and a bunch of patience.

Rudy

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Phil,

How about using the DC adapter with the 95LX, which I have been doing??

--- On Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:20:42 -0500  Phil Drummond <phil_drummond@PAGENET.COM>
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>Don't do it!  Don't plug that AC power supply into that DC palmtop.
>
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> Look at the Writing on the wall..  Windows NT is not doing DOS as
> you know it...
> Windows 95 is not heavy on dos..  It will be replaced with the new
> Windows 98 or what ever and I bet it will not even know what the
> old C:\ prompt looks like...
> Now...
> Why do you think HP will have an upgrade coming out for the
> HP-200LX  as we now know it..???
> Don't bet the farm on DOS..   Sorry

<sarcasm on>

I believe there are 2 kind of people :-)

 1) those for whom fashion is most important and need to have the
    latest Windows product
 2) those who need a machine to work with

For 1), I would guess the WinCE machines are the *optimal* solution.
They even have a promise that they can upgrade to 2.0 soon. And if =
they
have a 300LX, they can even upgrade to a different machine because =
2.0
needs too much memory. Those with a 320LX can hope that the next
version of WinCE will obsolete the 320X hardware too and they can buy =
a
new gadget again.

For 2), the WinCE machines might not be optimal. Let's take me as an
example: On the 200LX, I can develop software, create a multi column
document with formulae that I can directly give to the publisher (using
LaTeX, for example). On a WinCE machine, I cannot even use a simple
macro, enter any umlauts or send a file to any non-Windows95 (or NT)
machine.

<sarcasm off>

Why would I want to "upgrade"? I'd better stick with an
"obsolete" platform that works for me.

Andreas D&A

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I have a Geiger counter that uses the serial port.  The software is even
written to run on the HP.  Look in a copy of The Palmtop Paper for the
advertisement.  I will get additional information for you tonight and
post a "review" for you... Tuesday. (sorry, I just recalled that I go on
vacation and won't be near email for 4 days.)

Phil

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>
>what type of devices are available for plug-in to the serial port, where do
>you buy them and how much do they cost?
>keyboard
>modem
>serial to par adapter
>ir device
>others
>the reason of course is to use my mem card at the same time.
>tx for the info
>Tx Roy
>

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David Hart wrote:
>
> I heard that the newest Libretto has both suspend to disk and will
> keep on while recharging. Unfortunately this Libretto is available
> only in Japan currently (it is not the one being sold in the US).

The best and latest information on Libretto 60 (Japanese version) can
you find in this site:
 http://www.cerfnet.com/~adorable/libretto.html

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It is exactly this reason why I bought one of Thaddeus's 8meg/clock
enhanced 200's.  (it hasn't arrived yet)

Phil

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><snip>
>Why would I want to "upgrade"? I'd better stick with an
>"obsolete" platform that works for me.
>
>Andreas D&A

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That will work.  The bridge in the 95 will pass DC and the additional
voltage that the 200 power supply provides is not a problem to the 95's
internal AC to DC converter.  Don't go crazy trying various supplies, or
use something cheaper to do your experimenting. :)
You might run into current demand problems when using the 200's PS on
the 95 if you add a PC card that draws current at or near the rated
limits for the 95's supply.

Phil

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>
>Phil,
>
>How about using the DC adapter with the 95LX, which I have been doing??
>
>

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two kinds of people and lots of different needs. dos still has a place
as a relatively light, flexible os as implemented in the 200lx. as much
as i love nt, it's not going to work in a handheld any time soon.

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>
> > Look at the Writing on the wall..  Windows NT is not doing DOS as
> > you know it...
> > Windows 95 is not heavy on dos..  It will be replaced with the new
> > Windows 98 or what ever and I bet it will not even know what the
> > old C:\ prompt looks like...
> > Now...
> > Why do you think HP will have an upgrade coming out for the
> > HP-200LX  as we now know it..???
> > Don't bet the farm on DOS..   Sorry
>
> <sarcasm on>
>
> I believe there are 2 kind of people :-)
>
>  1) those for whom fashion is most important and need to have the
>     latest Windows product
>  2) those who need a machine to work with
>
> For 1), I would guess the WinCE machines are the *optimal* solution.
> They even have a promise that they can upgrade to 2.0 soon. And if
> they
> have a 300LX, they can even upgrade to a different machine because 2.0
> needs too much memory. Those with a 320LX can hope that the next
> version of WinCE will obsolete the 320X hardware too and they can buy
> a
> new gadget again.
>
> For 2), the WinCE machines might not be optimal. Let's take me as an
> example: On the 200LX, I can develop software, create a multi column
> document with formulae that I can directly give to the publisher
> (using
> LaTeX, for example). On a WinCE machine, I cannot even use a simple
> macro, enter any umlauts or send a file to any non-Windows95 (or NT)
> machine.
>
> <sarcasm off>
>
> Why would I want to "upgrade"? I'd better stick with an
> "obsolete" platform that works for me.
>
> Andreas D&A
>
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Thanks,

I'm just using it when I link to my PC to minimize drain on batteries.

--- On Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:34:15 -0500  Phil Drummond <phil_drummond@PAGENET.COM>
wrote:

>That will work.  The bridge in the 95 will pass DC and the additional
>voltage that the 200 power supply provides is not a problem to the 95's
>internal AC to DC converter.  Don't go crazy trying various supplies, or
>use something cheaper to do your experimenting. :)
>You might run into current demand problems when using the 200's PS on
>the 95 if you add a PC card that draws current at or near the rated
>limits for the 95's supply.
>
>Phil
>
>>----------
>>From:  mdstockrSMTP:mdstockr@NEO.LRUN.COM
>>Sent:  Thursday, October 09, 1997 9:53 AM
>>To:    HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>>Subject:       Re: AC adapter Info
>>
>>Phil,
>>
>>How about using the DC adapter with the 95LX, which I have been doing??
>>
>>
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At 10:45 PM 10/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Greetings:
>
>        I have downloaded the OMNIBook 600 file from CIS which has the
>HP PIM apps for WINdoze. I decompressed the files from the \HPPIM\
>subdirectory, ant transfered to my OMNIBook(4000). The APPTS.EXE was
>able to read my APPTS.ADB from my 200LX just fine.

What is the file you are talking about and is there any other place to
download it from. I don't have access to CIS. I would really like to try it.

As for horror stories, during lunch in Atlanta one day a waitress stumbled
and my 100LX ended up under a pool of ice water and ice cubes. I pulled the
batteries and set it on the car dash for the rest of the day. Reinstalled
the batteries and it fired right up and has been my constant companion for
the last five years.

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EDUCALC HAS A DISK DRIVE 100 1.44 3.5" IT HAS INTERNAL BATTERIES AND
"WORKS"........

73 SPENCE K4KEP

Agentrapid wrote:
>
> what type of devices are available for plug-in to the serial port, where do
> you buy them and how much do they cost?
> keyboard
> modem
> serial to par adapter
> ir device
> others
> the reason of course is to use my mem card at the same time.
> tx for the info
> Tx Roy
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IS THAT THE AWARE SYSTEMS UNIT PHIL. I HAVE BEEN CONSIDERING GETTING ON
AS A "TOY" TO CHECK SEMIS ON THE ROAD AS THEY GO FLYING PAST. HAZMAT AT
100 MILES A HOUR IS GOOD GROUNDS FOR A COMPLAINT.

73 SPENCE K4KEP

Phil Drummond wrote:
>
> I have a Geiger counter that uses the serial port.  The software is even
> written to run on the HP.  Look in a copy of The Palmtop Paper for the
> advertisement.  I will get additional information for you tonight and
> post a "review" for you... Tuesday. (sorry, I just recalled that I go on
> vacation and won't be near email for 4 days.)
>
> Phil
>
> >----------
> >From:  AgentrapidSMTP:Agentrapid@aol.com
> >Sent:  Thursday, October 09, 1997 9:22 AM
> >To:    HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> >Subject:       Re: serial port plug-ins
> >
> >what type of devices are available for plug-in to the serial port, where do
> >you buy them and how much do they cost?
> >keyboard
> >modem
> >serial to par adapter
> >ir device
> >others
> >the reason of course is to use my mem card at the same time.
> >tx for the info
> >Tx Roy
> >
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        DOS is still very much alive and well on OS/2 machines. IBM appears
to believe very strongly in supporting "legacy" applications.
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Send;
SIGNOFF HPLX-L
to;
LISTSERV@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
to "unsubscribe".

Phil

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I do that, it's kinda a cross 'tween fun and fear.  You get a signal,
then it's gone, you wonder how much other "stuff" is out there.
The Aware products are good and rugged but they are kinda "low end" in
the tech department.  They work very good, draw little power (run
directly from the 200's serial port for hours) are simple to use and the
output (via included software) is very understandable and useful.
They are not toys, in that they are traceable and have excellent dynamic
range, they will actually detect radium gas in your basement.  The rm-60
(I think that's the model number) will detect the "leakage" from glazing
used on cheap pottery.  I even found an old aircraft instrument in my
attic (circa 194?)!  If you are looking for a palmtop toy, you won't go
wrong with this one, but at $160 or so...

Good luck!
Phil


>----------
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>Sent:  Thursday, October 09, 1997 12:01 PM
>To:    HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>Subject:       Re: serial port plug-ins
>
>IS THAT THE AWARE SYSTEMS UNIT PHIL. I HAVE BEEN CONSIDERING GETTING ON
>AS A "TOY" TO CHECK SEMIS ON THE ROAD AS THEY GO FLYING PAST. HAZMAT AT
>100 MILES A HOUR IS GOOD GROUNDS FOR A COMPLAINT.
>
>73 SPENCE K4KEP
>
>Phil Drummond wrote:
>>
>> I have a Geiger counter that uses the serial port.  The software is even
>> written to run on the HP.  Look in a copy of The Palmtop Paper for the
>> advertisement.  I will get additional information for you tonight and
>> post a "review" for you... Tuesday. (sorry, I just recalled that I go on
>> vacation and won't be near email for 4 days.)
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> >----------
>> >From:  AgentrapidSMTP:Agentrapid@aol.com
>> >Sent:  Thursday, October 09, 1997 9:22 AM
>> >To:    HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>> >Subject:       Re: serial port plug-ins
>> >
>> >what type of devices are available for plug-in to the serial port, where
>>do
>> >you buy them and how much do they cost?
>> >keyboard
>> >modem
>> >serial to par adapter
>> >ir device
>> >others
>> >the reason of course is to use my mem card at the same time.
>> >tx for the info
>> >Tx Roy
>> >
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From:         "James P. Grenert" <grenert.james@MAYO.EDU>
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This was originally posted on comp.sys.palmtops.  I am sending it here at
the request of the original sender.  PLEASE reply to her directly or if
you send it to the list, forward a copy to her.
Her email address is:
Justine.Coates@deepcove.bc.ca

-J. P. Grenert
grenert@mayo.edu

> Help!
> I have written a simple coms program for DOS that I have been asked
> to get working on a number of small devices.  One of them being the
> HP200 LX.  I have had no troubles on PC's or portables but the ON/OFF
> button on the HP is something I haven't run into before.  I doesn't
> actually interupt power, it sets an interupt flag or sommething...
> Anyway, It hangs my code if a user presses it!  Does anyone out there
> know how to disable or trap this button?
>
> I have called HP tech support and they say "We don't support third
> party code development, try compuserve hp handheld library 11".  I
> said "I don't have a compuserve account and this is a simple question!
> What happens when you hit that button?" The short answer is they don't
> know!  Again, it is a simple DOS program that runs fine so long as you
> DON'T hit the ON/OFF button!
>
> Help! Puhleeze! Help!
>
> Justine
> Justine.Coates@deepcove.bc.ca
> Thanks!

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> The APPTS.EXE was
> able to read my APPTS.ADB from my 200LX just fine, but when I try to
> use the PHONE.PDB from my LX w/ the HPPIM PHONE.EXE, the only fields
> that are viewable are NAME, BUSINESS & HOME, no address fields. When
> I try to the merge function, the program locks.

The entries in the HPPIM phone table are the same as you have set up on
your Palmtop for the file you are viewing, which defaults to  NAME,
BUSINESS =

& HOME. You can either modify your file on the Palmtop to show the
additional
fields (normally hidden behind the Datacard) or you can edit the file you=

are
viewing in the  HPPIM phone application using the Subset - Arrange Column=
s
menu option. Doing it this way will only be a temporary change until the
next
time you copy the file across from your Palmtop again.

> BTW: The revisions of the programs are as follows:
> PHONE.EXE: "Phone Book" v A.01.11
> APPTS.EXE: "Appointment Book" v A.01.11
>
> Are these the same revs as on the YELLOW CD?

Almost, the versions I have got from the Yellow CD are:
PHONE.EXE: "Phone Book" v A.01.11
APPTS.EXE: "Appointment Book" v A.01.12 =


Hope this helps. Sorry I cannot comment on the merge function - never use=
d
it.

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On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:30:31 -0400, David Kramer wrote:

>The PC <--> keyboard interface is a serial link, but not like RS-232.  =
For
>instance, the keyboard expect to see a +5v clock signal on pin 1.  I
>suppose, as someone else indicated, you could create a little box with a
>555 timer to simulate it, or have the keyboard driver software =
constantly
>enable/disable the MR flag, but that would take an awful lot of CPU
>cycles.

Aha!  Good point, David. It was a *very* long time ago, and that
little point had escaped my memory.  It looks like it's back to the
Newton keyboard, if I can find one here in the UK wilderness!

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<<what type of devices are available for plug-in to the serial port, wher=
e
do
you buy them and how much do they cost?>>

There are many. You named a few. i.e.

<<keyboard
modem
serial to par adapter
ir device>>

There are industrial products that'll attach to it, bar code readers,
cables for PC transfer, and so on. You could ask for our catalog at
info@shier.com for some, or get Educalc's catalog for examples of product=
s
and prices.

The real question is what do you do and what do you need to do where an
ultraportable computer could be of benefit? Call me at 714-559-1142 and I=
'd
be pleased to review your needs and see if there are products available
that'll improve your business processes.

     Regards,
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Carl,
  What do you know about the DAQCard products that National Instruments
is selling?  I read an ad about a DMM (digital multimeter) PCMCIA card.
Has Shier Systems & Software looked at these type of products?

Phil

>----------
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>
><snip>
>There are industrial products that'll attach to it, bar code readers,
>cables for PC transfer, and so on. You could ask for our catalog at
>info@shier.com for some, or get Educalc's catalog for examples of products
>and prices.
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Subject:      anti-virus for the palmtop

Hi all !


If you are like me, and download a lot of files from web pages, ftp's,
and other sites all the time, you should consider the serious problem of the
viruses.

I'm using on my palmtop, f-prot (shareware) version 227, it's great !,
and it work's fine on the palmtop, maybe a little slow, but fine.

By the way, you can also use TB anti-virus (for dos), and MCAFEE
anti-virus (also for dos), etc.

None of this anti-virus programs takes more than 700 or 800 kb.

If you have some disk space available, make an investment, and install
an anti-virus program on your palmtop too

i've detected 3 viruses the last week !!, all files from ftp's !!


YOU must enjoy your palmtop, NOT the viruses ! :)


martin
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I've been thinking about viruses lately.  You know, they just
aren't built like they used to be.  In fact, I don't know of any
new evil weevil viruses that have come about in, say, the last
3 years.  Michelangelo was the last one that ever scared me.

I have a book called "Byte Me", a parody of "... for Dummies"
books, and it has this to say about viruses: (funny)

"If you suspect you might have a computer virus, watch for the
following symptoms:
        1. At least one program fails to perform as expected.
        2. Your computer displays messages you can't under-
           stand.
        3. You can't find many of your files.
        4. Games run too slowly.
        5. Your friends' machines seem to run much better
           than yours.
One or more of the above symptoms means that a) you have a
computer virus, or b) you have a computer.  . . . Pretend that the
computer is your stomach, and anything you put into it is food.  Maybe
then you'll think twice about taking that tasty piece of shareware
from sHpLeCko@weeyurd.net."

Ian Butler
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
Check the dull homepage at <http://www.caspers.net/ianrb/>
200LX Programmers Group page coming soon! <~/200lx.html>

"P.S.  People like you ought to be shot." -- Myself

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: YOU must enjoy your palmtop, NOT the viruses ! :)

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        My policy, which has SO FAR served me well, is to install
everything on my palmtop via my desktop machine, and to run a state of the
art anti-viral program on the desktop. In order for this to work, it is
necessary EITHER to have the "check inside zip files" switch on the viral
checker enabled, OR to do all the unpacking of files on the desktop first,
and to upload only the unpacked files to the palmtop.
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Got the program off CompuServe.  The phone.exe only seems to work with the
default phonebook template.  I modified my phonebook template and the app
crashes every time I try to load it.  Any ideas?

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Show the columns that are hidden by selecting Subset then Arrange Columns
then show. By the way what is the URL to CIS?

Thanks,
Billy F. Staggs

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> To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
> Subject: LX PHONE.DAT -> HP PIM PHONE.EXE ?
> Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 9:45 PM
>
> Greetings:
>
>         I have downloaded the OMNIBook 600 file from CIS which has the
> HP PIM apps for WINdoze. I decompressed the files from the \HPPIM\
> subdirectory, ant transfered to my OMNIBook(4000). The APPTS.EXE was
> able to read my APPTS.ADB from my 200LX just fine, but when I try to
> use the PHONE.PDB from my LX w/ the HPPIM PHONE.EXE, the only fields
> that are viewable are NAME, BUSINESS & HOME, no address fields. When
> I try to the merge function, the program locks.
>
>         Is there a trick to get this to work?
>
> BTW: The revisions of the programs are as follows:
>
> PHONE.EXE: "Phone Book" v A.01.11
> APPTS.EXE: "Appointment Book" v A.01.11
>
> Are these the same revs as on the YELLOW CD?
>
> TIA & Cheers,
>
>
>
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Does anyone know of compilers of that kind running propperly on our
favourite machine ?

Any help is appreciated, because I just start to learn these
languages.

TIA

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> > >Does anyone know whether its allowed to plug the ac adaptor in and
> > >out while the hp is on ?
> >
> > You know it is kind of hard to unplug the AC cord if you are
> > charging..  Take a look at your screen and you will see what
> > I am saying.
>
> I DON'T see what you're saying. I do this all the time without problem.

I don't see it either... Please tell us what you meant with "... kind
of hard...".

Thanks.

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HP>        My policy, which has SO FAR served me well, is to install
HP>everything on my palmtop via my desktop machine, and to run a state of the
HP>art anti-viral program on the desktop. In order for this to work, it is
HP>necessary EITHER to have the "check inside zip files" switch on the viral
HP>checker enabled, OR to do all the unpacking of files on the desktop first,
HP>and to upload only the unpacked files to the palmtop.

   It's my policy too, i first install all in my hard drive, scan it for
viruses (with 4 different anti-virus), and then install them on my
palmtop.

But when i'm travelling, far from the office, that's not possible, so
i've to scan sometimes on my palmtop, i can't install dr. solomon's on
the 200, but f-prot or scan do the work very fine.

I think that a built-in anti-virus should be useful....upgradeable, of
course, maybe with a call to an HP bbs...or a diskette included with the
HP palmtop paper....you may say i'm a dreamer.....but i'm not the only
one....

HP>-----------------------------------------------------------------

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I don't have any fixes, but I can confirm the problem. Prior to using HP
Windows version of the Phone book I was syncing my palmtop with MS Schedule
using Intellisync. I had modified the phone database and mapped the fields
to my PC Schedule. I tried to used the modified phone database with the Win
version of HP Phone and as you stated, it crashed. I remapped my PC
schedule to the standard Phone database and moved the extra fields to the
note field in the standard database. I no longer have the extra fields, but
I didn't lose any data and more importantly I didn't have to re-enter any
data. For me it was worth it to be able to use the same files on my PCs as
on my Palmtop.

Billy F. Staggs

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> Got the program off CompuServe.  The phone.exe only seems to work with
the
> default phonebook template.  I modified my phonebook template and the app
> crashes every time I try to load it.  Any ideas?
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Does any know of a good poker game that will run on the HP200LX?

Thanks,
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On 1997-10-02 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddv*teach*@digita
l.net
   >I have been writing documents using the memo feature of the
   >HP200LX and then transferring them to my laptop using
   >Transfile 200. I then open these text files using notepad.
   >I have the memo options set for 80 characters max width.
   >It appears that when the text wraps in memo that this
   >generates a soft return which is not recognized when I open
   >the file in notepad.
   >Does anyone know a way to have a hard return at the end of
   >each line without manually going to each line and entering
   >one? --


   As far as I know, Windows notepad (at least 3.1) *does* add
   hard returns to text files when turning on word wrap (unlike
   on the palmtop's memo pad).  Load the memo file to notepad,
   turn on word wrap, exit notepad, then it will ask you if you
   want to save the file (because you have in fact modified it
   with word wrap).  Click on yes, then you will have a nicely
   formatted file.   A few DOS text editors with word wrap do
   the same thing.

   Domingo

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On 1997-10-03 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddvteach@digital.net
   >PS does the Newton make any significant impact on the
   >battery life?


   Did anyone ever answer this question?  I did not see it.
   How does this compare with, for example, an EXP 14400 modem
   on batteries alone?

   TIA

   Domingo

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On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:01:34 +0000, you wrote:


>> I DON'T see what you're saying. I do this all the time without =
problem.
>
>I don't see it either... Please tell us what you meant with "... kind
>of hard...".
>
>Thanks.
>
>Bye,
>Christof
>
Chris..  Think of it this way... If you have the AC plugged in the 200LX
is on all the time.   Right...   So.. You can't turn it OFF before you
unplug the AC... Right?

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At 04:14 PM 9/10/97 -0500, Phil wrote:
>Carl,
>  What do you know about the DAQCard products that National Instruments
>is selling?  I read an ad about a DMM (digital multimeter) PCMCIA card.
>Has Shier Systems & Software looked at these type of products?
>
<snip>

I'm also interested in using National Instruments DAQ cards in a HP200LX (I
have access to the card, but won't buy the HP without knowing that it will
work). Anyone else doing this, and if so, how hard was writing the code to
run the drivers?

Also, I'd be interested to hear of anyone using the HP with a GPS receiver
- this is done commonly with the Psion, but I haven't read of a HP being
used. If so, which GPS unit is used, and what software solutions?

Finally, anywhere in Australia to buy used HP200's? The local retail price
is cruel - over a thousand bucks!

Any ideas, comments or links greatly appreciated.

Doric Swain.
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> HP F1011A adapter, or one like it. This is a regulated AC to DC
> converter with these specifications:
>
> Minimum voltage: +9.6 V
> Nominal voltage  +12 V
> Maximum voltage: +14.4 V
> Maximum current: 750 mA

Surely there is an electrical engineer on this list who can comment on
the feasability of this VAST voltage range actually coming from a
REGULATED voltage supply?  (I've no doubt it came from the manual... Just
doesn't make sense to me!)
I mean really, last I looked at the Rad Shack transistor power regulators
they had ripple voltages on the order of 0.05Volts!  How can the numbers
above be anything but the ACCEPTABLE voltage/current ranges?
EH?

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Doric Swain wrote:

> Also, I'd be interested to hear of anyone using the HP with a GPS receiver
> - this is done commonly with the Psion, but I haven't read of a HP being
> used. If so, which GPS unit is used, and what software solutions?

 Visit my web site's product review page and look at the Delorme Tripmate
review.

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On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Domingo Diaz-Vazquez wrote:

>    >I have been writing documents using the memo feature of the
>    >HP200LX and then transferring them to my laptop using
>    >Transfile 200. I then open these text files using notepad.
>    >I have the memo options set for 80 characters max width.
>    >It appears that when the text wraps in memo that this
>    >generates a soft return which is not recognized when I open
>    >the file in notepad.
>    >Does anyone know a way to have a hard return at the end of
>    >each line without manually going to each line and entering
>    >one? --
>
>
>    As far as I know, Windows notepad (at least 3.1) *does* add
>    hard returns to text files when turning on word wrap (unlike
>    on the palmtop's memo pad).  Load the memo file to notepad,
>    turn on word wrap, exit notepad, then it will ask you if you
>    want to save the file (because you have in fact modified it
>    with word wrap).  Click on yes, then you will have a nicely
>    formatted file.   A few DOS text editors with word wrap do
>    the same thing.

I tried Notepad under Win 3.1 and it doesn't appear to alter anything but
the display. I tried as you suggested Domingo, and got the prompt you
mentioned. I canceled and then did a "save as" to another file and DOS
"fc" (file compare) shows they're both the same.

I'm sure there are text editors that do as you say, but I  don't think
Notepad is one of them.

- Longden

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Longden C. Loo wrote:

> I tried Notepad under Win 3.1 and it doesn't appear to alter anything but
> the display. I tried as you suggested Domingo, and got the prompt you
> mentioned. I canceled and then did a "save as" to another file and DOS
> "fc" (file compare) shows they're both the same.

 Well... I recently wrote a C program to convert a file WITH hard returns to
a file WITHOUT.  That was hard.  The reverse should be easy.  Just get word
processor that allows you to save as a DOS text file *or* a DOS Generic Word
Processor file, such as WordPerfect (for Windows).  The Generic Word
Processor format is the one with no hard returns except at the end of
paragraphs.  DOS text file will insert a hard return at the end of each line,
even if the file originally had none.

Microsoft Word probably has something similar to this...
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I bought the times2tech speed upgrade and installed it in my
100LX. But with the new crystal in place the system didn't
come up again. Obviously my CPU fails at the higher speed.

I think the reason is that I have one of the very first 100LX,
bought in June '93. Also on the CPU is written 'SAMPLE'.

I am quite keen on having the double speed so here is my question:

  Does someone sell a 100LX motherboard, maybe from an old machine
  with cracked case or display?

  Alternativly I am considering buying an used 200LX. Any offers?


Dirk Lipper
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>Alternately, if you like to roll your own and are pretty skilled, it
>looks like it will take 4 1Mx16 chips to do this, or perhaps 2 4Mx16
>plus a bit of logic.  Either solution is going to require a bit of
>sleuthing and a bunch of patience.

I thought that memory on the 200LX was static RAM, because it doesn't need
refreshing (and is quite expensive).

According to what I've read in this thread, it seems to use dynamic ram.
How is this possible ?, I mean... when the power is off, does the processor
wake up periodically in order to do the refresh ?

Regards. Nacho.

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David, Billy, and group:

On: Thursday, October 09, 1997 7:32 PM,
        David Spoelstra <davids@MEDIAMACHINE.COM> wrote:

> Got the program off CompuServe.  The phone.exe only seems to
> work with the
> default phonebook template.  I modified my phonebook template
> and the app
> crashes every time I try to load it.  Any ideas?
>

On Thu, 9 Oct 1997,
        "Billy F. Staggs" <bstaggs@BRIGHTOK.NET> wrote:

> I don't have any fixes, but I can confirm the problem.

I am able to use the program just fine now. I just moved the .PDB file
over from my LX to my desk/laptop and opened it up. The program does
appear to crash if you try to MERGE the PHONE.PDB. All the fields are
there, as previously mentioned, all you need do is SUBSET/ARRANGE/SHOW
to view the fileds on the startup screen.

        Once it crashes, it will always crash on statrup (I thnk it
tries to open a corrupt .PDB). Delete the program, reload it, open a
fresh, unadulterated .PDB from your LX.

        Has anyone tried this program w/ a customized .PBD ?

Cheers,




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Can someone down load these programs and get them to Mitch on the SUPER site.
I don't have accesss to CompuServe.

Thanks
Mark


At 07:52 PM 10/9/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Show the columns that are hidden by selecting Subset then Arrange Columns
>then show. By the way what is the URL to CIS?
>
>Thanks,
>Billy F. Staggs
>
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>> From: Al Kind <MCHEM1@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
>> To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
>> Subject: LX PHONE.DAT -> HP PIM PHONE.EXE ?
>> Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 9:45 PM
>>
>> Greetings:
>>
>>         I have downloaded the OMNIBook 600 file from CIS which has the
>> HP PIM apps for WINdoze. I decompressed the files from the \HPPIM\
>> subdirectory, ant transfered to my OMNIBook(4000). The APPTS.EXE was
>> able to read my APPTS.ADB from my 200LX just fine, but when I try to
>> use the PHONE.PDB from my LX w/ the HPPIM PHONE.EXE, the only fields
>> that are viewable are NAME, BUSINESS & HOME, no address fields. When
>> I try to the merge function, the program locks.
>>
>>         Is there a trick to get this to work?
>>
>> BTW: The revisions of the programs are as follows:
>>
>> PHONE.EXE: "Phone Book" v A.01.11
>> APPTS.EXE: "Appointment Book" v A.01.11
>>
>> Are these the same revs as on the YELLOW CD?
>>
>> TIA & Cheers,
>>
>>
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Ignacio Garc=EDa P=E9rez wrote:
> =

> >Alternately, if you like to roll your own and are pretty skilled, it
> >looks like it will take 4 1Mx16 chips to do this, or perhaps 2 4Mx16
> >plus a bit of logic.  Either solution is going to require a bit of
> >sleuthing and a bunch of patience.
> =

> I thought that memory on the 200LX was static RAM, because it doesn't n=
eed
> refreshing (and is quite expensive).
> =

> According to what I've read in this thread, it seems to use dynamic ram=
=2E
> How is this possible ?, I mean... when the power is off, does the proce=
ssor
> wake up periodically in order to do the refresh ?
> =

> Regards. Nacho.
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You got-it Nach.. It's dram, However, as in all computers, the CPU
doesn't do the refreshing, other circuitry does, and that remains on.

Darren

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DOES ANYBODY KNOWS HOW TO GRAPH OR VIEW MUSICAL SCORES ON PALMTOPS?
IS THERE ANY PROGRAM TO EDIT MUSIC FOR .WAV, .MID, ETC?
THANKS A LOT

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On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:42:23 +0200
Ignacio Garc $ByB (B _P $BqS (Bez <igp@vlc.servicom.es> wrote:

> I thought that memory on the 200LX was static RAM, because it doesn't need
> refreshing (and is quite expensive).

The DRAM in 100/200LX is a so-called Self-refreshing DRAM.  It contains
refreshing circuit inside.

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is it possible to piggy back dram chips in the hp200 (enough verticle space)?
i have done this years ago on other computers.

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Roy Stroud wrote:
>
> is it possible to piggy back dram chips in the hp200 (enough verticle space)?
> i have done this years ago on other computers.
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E -- Gads !!! That was a long time ago. Those were little 8k and 16k
chips, though. What a flashback.

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I tried to install it on my notebook computer without success.  The error
message is: Insufficient resources to load LapLink Remote Access.  Can
anyone offer me some hints to cure the problem.

Thanks,

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check available hd space and memory and number of files in the root

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Try PDC Prolog.


At 08:41 AM 10/9/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Does anyone know of compilers of that kind running propperly on our
>favourite machine ?
>
>Any help is appreciated, because I just start to learn these
>languages.
>
>TIA
>
>Regards,
>Christof
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Regarding music programs for the HP 200-LX.

You might call software labs and ask them to send a catalog.  206-869-6729.
 However,
I think their programs require VGA.

I have written a program for training your musical ear, but it doesn't use
musical notation.
It plays various musical intervals for you at random and you have to name
the interval.  It keeps track of your responses and drills you on the
intervals that
you have the most difficulty identifying.  It's a good learn tool for music
students.

Cakewalk for DOS would enable you to edit MIDI scores.  It uses a piano roll
view rather than a graphical notation view.  You *might* even be able to drive
a MIDI instrument with a 200 LX using a special serial interface from
Keytronics.


At 11:50 AM 10/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>DOES ANYBODY KNOWS HOW TO GRAPH OR VIEW MUSICAL SCORES ON PALMTOPS?
>IS THERE ANY PROGRAM TO EDIT MUSIC FOR .WAV, .MID, ETC?
>THANKS A LOT
>
>--
>JORGE ANGEL AGUIRRE MARTINEZ
>ASESOR TECNICO
>SUBSECRETARIA DE EDUCACION SUPERIOR E INVESTIGACION CIENTIFICA
>SAN FERNANDO No. 1 COL. TORIELLO GUERRA
>DEL. TLALPAN CP 14050
>MEXICO D.F.
>
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My problem is that I can't concentrate too well while using the
Newton!

 People keep coming around and admiring it and asking
questions me about it.  That's OK really, but I have to hide out
if I want to get any work done.  At lunch time I'm writing
my next self-teaching guide to music theory tutorial using my
HP thanks to Adachi and Shier Systems.



At 12:06 AM 10/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Folks, Hope you don't mind another testimonial on this subject, but thought
>I'd forward a comment appearing on HPHAND today.    Regards, Carl Merkle
>SS&S
>
>-------- Forwarded Message ------------------------------------------
>Subj:  Fantastic Newton Keyboar         Section: 100/200LX Hardware
>  To:  All                              Tuesday, October 07, 1997 7:52:12
>PM
>From:   Edward Gomez, 74100,2463        #396588
>
>After a minor glitch in my order I finally got my Newton Keyboard from
>Shier Systems today.  I would like to say that if problems do occur, David
>Shier is a person who has demonstrated to me that he will bend over
>backwards to accomodate his customers.  I am very pleased with the
>attention that I recieved from him.
>
>Well that out of the way, I would like to say that the Newton Keyboard is
>an absolute must for most serious HP LX users. My first impresssion was one
>of sheer astonishment. Imagine having the LX's potential weakest link taken
>out IN SPADES.  The machine performs like a desktop with this VERY nice
>little keyboard (comes with such an attractive case and all that I've
>actually begun to really appreciate Apple <VBG>).  I don't know if it was
>Avi who said that this was no wimpy little chicklet key apparatus, this
>device really kicks serious butt. I totally agree. This is a very important
>contribution by Mr. Adachi (creator of the driver) to the HP's already
>staggering arsenal of tools.
>
>That's my two cents worth folks...
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>
> On: Thursday, October 09, 1997 7:32 PM,
>         David Spoelstra <davids@MEDIAMACHINE.COM> wrote:
>
> > Got the program off CompuServe.  The phone.exe only seems
> > to  work with the
> > default phonebook template...
>
> On Thu, 9 Oct 1997,
>         "Billy F. Staggs" <bstaggs@BRIGHTOK.NET> wrote:
>
> > I don't have any fixes, but I can confirm the problem.
>
>
> On Fri, 10 Oct 1997,
>          Al Kind wrote
>
> *** Has anyone tried this program w/ a customized .PBD ?

I just reread this and realized that is exactly what you are talking
about. Sorry, my mind must elsewhere today ;-)

Cheers,


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Sled11.zip is an Dos Ascii editor that allows add/remove  car-ret and
lin-feed when you save your file. It is available on Simtel (try
www.cdrom.com and ask for sled11.zip from the Dos collection.
I've found it best to use the car-ret sparingly - when I want a new paragraph
- when in Windows. Try typing some text in Win. without using CR, then move
the right edge of your window. It wraps "properly" for you, but it "obeys"
CRs.

Longden C. Loo wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Domingo Diaz-Vazquez wrote:
>
> >    >I have been writing documents using the memo feature of the
> >    >HP200LX and then transferring them to my laptop using
> >    >Transfile 200. I then open these text files using notepad.
> >    >I have the memo options set for 80 characters max width.
> >    >It appears that when the text wraps in memo that this
> >    >generates a soft return which is not recognized when I open
> >    >the file in notepad.
> >    >Does anyone know a way to have a hard return at the end of
> >    >each line without manually going to each line and entering
> >    >one? --
> >
> >
> >    As far as I know, Windows notepad (at least 3.1) *does* add
> >    hard returns to text files when turning on word wrap (unlike
> >    on the palmtop's memo pad).  Load the memo file to notepad,
> >    turn on word wrap, exit notepad, then it will ask you if you
> >    want to save the file (because you have in fact modified it
> >    with word wrap).  Click on yes, then you will have a nicely
> >    formatted file.   A few DOS text editors with word wrap do
> >    the same thing.
>
> I tried Notepad under Win 3.1 and it doesn't appear to alter anything but
> the display. I tried as you suggested Domingo, and got the prompt you
> mentioned. I canceled and then did a "save as" to another file and DOS
> "fc" (file compare) shows they're both the same.
>
> I'm sure there are text editors that do as you say, but I  don't think
> Notepad is one of them.
>
> - Longden
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At 05:00 PM 10/9/97 +0200, you wrote:
>> Look at the Writing on the wall..  Windows NT is not doing DOS as
>> you know it...
>> Windows 95 is not heavy on dos..  It will be replaced with the new
>> Windows 98 or what ever and I bet it will not even know what the
>> old C:\ prompt looks like...
>> ...
>> Don't bet the farm on DOS..   Sorry
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I frequently use several DOS programs that I have written on Windows NT 4.0
and they work great.  They save me time since I don't have to deal
with the slow, fancy, mousy Windows Interface.  For example:

    ZIPMOVE.EXE  -- a program that automatically zips all programs
    in the current directory and moves the zipped file to another
    directory specified on the command line.   A unique zip file based on
    today's date is created.  For example:

                       971011.001
                       971011.002
                            etc.

That way I can backup a subdirectory as many times as I like with
very little effort
.
Zipmove works with PKZIP.  Zipmove can be called from
a batch file.  The user doesn't have to stop and think about
the name to use for the zip file since its created automatically.

REPLY.COM is a 7 byte DOS program that I created using debug.
It let's me create interactive DOS Batch files that automate
tasks that would be a chore to do in that fancy Windows Interface.

MASTERY.EXE is a dos program that helps me study and master
various subjects.  It's like an automated flashcard system.  Questions
are systematically chosen and displayed until I indicate that I
have mastered them.

All run fine under Windows NT 4.0 and on my palmtop.

Let's face it, DOS is superior to Windows for many kinds of computer
applications.  It's leaner and faster and easier to use.   Windows has been
pushed
on business people because it helps sell more machines.  You've got
to have a hefty machine to run Windows.  Think of all the hardware
sales made possible by Windows.  I know, for some types of applications
Windows is superior.  But not for everything.

Visit http://www.ilovemusic.com  to explore music and dance!
Ear Trainer-software to improve your ear (HP 200LX or desktop PCs)
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I just got a Newton keyboard, which I was going to use with
my Pilot using Pilokey - but I heard it's possible to use it
with the HP200LX as well... how do I do this?  I have an HP200LX
that I haven't been using lately, but it would be great to type on
it with the Newton keyboard...

Sorry if this is already answered (I just subscribed and caught
the tail end of the Newton Keyboard availability thread), so if
anyone has a reference, please tell me.

j.

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<<I just got a Newton keyboard, which I was going to use with
my Pilot using Pilokey - but I heard it's possible to use it
with the HP200LX as well... how do I do this?>>

Download the file NTKEY2LX.ZIP from the palmtop.net site (I think its
http://www.palmtop.net) and follow the instructions contained in that fil=
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     Carl

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> You *might* even be able to drive
> a MIDI instrument with a 200 LX using a special serial interface from
> Keytronics.
Many MIDI instruments already include a serial interface, so you can
connect directly to your hplx - the only problem is cabling.

It works fine.

You don't even need the Keytronics interface.

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> DOES ANYBODY KNOWS HOW TO GRAPH OR VIEW MUSICAL SCORES ON PALMTOPS?
> IS THERE ANY PROGRAM TO EDIT MUSIC FOR .WAV, .MID, ETC?

(1) Yes, cakewalk can do it. You can download a crippleware demo of their
old DOS version from their site. You can edit .MID, display music
notation, but can't save in this crippled version.

But cakewalk is hideously slow on the hplx (like, 2-3 minutes just to get
started), and is very awkard to use, IMHO. On the hplx, it really *is*
crippleware <g>.  However, it's pretty much the standard, AFIAK.

(2) The old sound-blaster cards came with a little midi editor, that is
also very awkard to use. Called SPPRO, 260K. But it doesn't display
music notation.

(3) I've written a little routine that creates midi files for the
simple tunes I work with:  you pass in an array of pitches and an array
of durations. This is even harder to use than the above two programs,
because you've got to write another program yourself just to use it!
<g> Let me know if you are interested in this approach. In a similar
vein, I think SimTel has a collection of C library routines to handle
midi.

(4) Another avenue was an add-on for LaTeX (the unix typesetting
program). But I didn't even *think* about a DOS version of this that
would fit on the palmtop. :)

(5) I looked around quite a bit for a music notation program, but no
luck.   so, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU FIND ANYTHING! :)
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Subject:      Airport Database for 200LX

Does anyone know if there is an airport database available free of charge? The database I am looking for does not need to be current, as it will not be needed for flying. I would like it to be in some sort of generic format so that I could import it into my 200LX as a *.GDB file. I would like it to have a fairly exhaustive list of airports with their coordinates, ATIS, ILS, VOR, Tower and Taxi frequencies.
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go to the database area on the super site, and download:

     airport.zip (46k) added 18/01/97
     Created & uploaded by Christophe Gevrey
     more than 1000 world airports with latitude, longitude, name etc...

the work is already done!

cordially,

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May I quote you?

"Using an HP in the real world is like taking a tank to a demolition derby."
 You _know_ you're going to win.


> Yesterday I again dropped my 200LX. Each time this happens my heart pounds
> as I turn the unit on to see if it still works. Yes, I said, "each times
> this happens". I thought it would be interesting to start a thread to
> share some horror stories of dropped units. I have several to tell.

I've been thinking of a "battered hplx" homepage, with photographs. Perhaps
of two accident categories: "mere scratch" and "fatal". <g>

My own hp200lx has had several 1.5 meter falls to concrete, but not much
in the way of battle wounds to show for it. Just a few scratches.

If there is interest, I'll start this page up next week: I'll link to URLS
with other such photos, and accept colour photographs in the mail to digitise.

        What do you reckon?


> I had the distinct honor of having dinner with Dr. Deming before he died.
> I like to say that I caught his intolerance for poor workmanship and design.
BTW, who's Dr Deming?

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dr. deming is/was a pop-management guru.  when he couldn't make a hit in
America, he went to Japan, and lucked into selling his ideas at the same time
that Japan was independently experienceing a giant growth spurt.

by application of the "post hoc, ergo, propriter hoc" logical error,
Americans (including a bunch of federal bureaucrates) bought into his
sillyness for a while.  when Japan retrenched, the already fading glory of
dr. deming went with it.

{but that's just my opinion.  i could be wrong.}

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<<   >PS does the Newton make any significant impact on the
   >battery life?
   Did anyone ever answer this question?  I did not see it.
   How does this compare with, for example, an EXP 14400 modem
   on batteries alone?>>

I don't have specific technical results (it'd be nice if someone could
test), but battery drain with the keyboard, in my experience is minimal i=
n
comparison with the EXP 14.4 modem which draws a lot. I've been able to
bang away for whole mornings at a time, and still have available power.

I have noticed (on three separate occassions) a lockup when I've switched=

to &... (MORE) and a number of programs are open. The palmtop starts
beeping, and doesn't accept any keyboard input forcing a hard reboot with=

left shift, ctrl, on. Obviously I've lost unsaved work. Not sure what thi=
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problem is, and haven't tried on purpose to duplicate it. But it could be=
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problem. Has anyone else experienced this?

     Regards,
     Carl Merkle

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Ken A. Moore wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if there is an airport database available free of charge? The database I am looking for does not need to be current, as it will not be needed for flying. I would like it to be in some sort of generic format so that I could import it into my 200LX as a *.GDB file. I would like it to have a fairly exhaustive list of airports with their coordinates, ATIS, ILS, VOR, Tower and Taxi frequencies.
> Thanks,
> Ken Moore
>
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GPSCGA off of S.U.P.E.R. site has 9000 + airports with that info. Not
sure how current, but I bet those airports don't move around very much
:-) -- not in pdb format, not sure what the format is.

Darren.

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> "post hoc, ergo, propriter hoc" logical error,
Explain please. I'm not great at Latin, let alone logic! <g>

> Americans (including a bunch of federal bureaucrates) bought into his
> sillyness for a while.  when Japan retrenched, the already fading glory of
> dr. deming went with it.
>       {but that's just my opinion.  i could be wrong.}

Wow, this smoulders like an off-topic flame war!
        { IMhO <g> }
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Brendan Macmillan wrote:

> > "post hoc, ergo, propriter hoc" logical error,
> Explain please. I'm not great at Latin, let alone logic! <g>

 Means "after that, therefore, because of that."  It's a fallacy whereby you
assume that because A occurred after B, A must've occurred because of B.  For
example:

"My 200LX rebooted after I spilled a soda on the keyboard of my desktop.
Therefore, the 200LX rebooted because I spilled a soda on the keyboard of my
desktop."

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> >PS does the Newton make any significant impact on the battery life?
                A very pertinent question!

> I've been able to bang away for whole mornings at a time
How long could you bang for without the keyboard? I'm serious

I'm trying to discount your batteries, your charging, your usage pattern,
etc, etc.

Thanks

>      Carl Merkle

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> > > "post hoc, ergo, propriter hoc" logical error,
>
>  Means "after that, therefore, because of that."  It's a fallacy whereby you
> assume that because A occurred after B, A must've occurred because of B.
Ah, thank you! An interest in a hplx can be very educational!

> "My 200LX rebooted after I spilled a soda on the keyboard of my desktop.
> Therefore, the 200LX rebooted because I spilled a soda on the keyboard of my
> desktop."


Hmmmm, yes, we can't deduct causation through a temporal relationship ...
and yet, we can't deduct *anything* about the real world, only about our
abstract models of it. Mathematics for example.

However, as I understand it, a repeated temporal relationship is the *only*
basis upon which we can induct anything about the real world. Of course,
generalising from a sample of one - as dr deming seems to have done - is
certainly fallacious.

For example, if your 200LX rebooted after EVERY TIME you "spilled a soda on
the keyboard of your desktop" ... the hairs on the back of your neck would
start to rise! <G>

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Which MIDI instruments include a serial interface?  You mean a serial MIDI
interface?
I've never seen one.

At 07:38 AM 10/11/97 +1000, you wrote:
>> You *might* even be able to drive
>> a MIDI instrument with a 200 LX using a special serial interface from
>> Keytronics.
>Many MIDI instruments already include a serial interface, so you can
>connect directly to your hplx - the only problem is cabling.
>
>It works fine.
>
>You don't even need the Keytronics interface.
>
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If anyone wants RemoveCr.exe, I can email it to you on a shareware
basis.   It removes the carriage returns from a DOS text file so it can
easily be formatted with a word processor.  Cost is whatever
you want to donate to the cause.



At 01:14 PM 10/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Sled11.zip is an Dos Ascii editor that allows add/remove  car-ret and
>lin-feed when you save your file. It is available on Simtel (try
>www.cdrom.com and ask for sled11.zip from the Dos collection.
>I've found it best to use the car-ret sparingly - when I want a new paragraph
>- when in Windows. Try typing some text in Win. without using CR, then move
>the right edge of your window. It wraps "properly" for you, but it "obeys"
>CRs.
>
>Longden C. Loo wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Domingo Diaz-Vazquez wrote:
>>
>> >    >I have been writing documents using the memo feature of the
>> >    >HP200LX and then transferring them to my laptop using
>> >    >Transfile 200. I then open these text files using notepad.
>> >    >I have the memo options set for 80 characters max width.
>> >    >It appears that when the text wraps in memo that this
>> >    >generates a soft return which is not recognized when I open
>> >    >the file in notepad.
>> >    >Does anyone know a way to have a hard return at the end of
>> >    >each line without manually going to each line and entering
>> >    >one? --
>> >
>> >
>> >    As far as I know, Windows notepad (at least 3.1) *does* add
>> >    hard returns to text files when turning on word wrap (unlike
>> >    on the palmtop's memo pad).  Load the memo file to notepad,
>> >    turn on word wrap, exit notepad, then it will ask you if you
>> >    want to save the file (because you have in fact modified it
>> >    with word wrap).  Click on yes, then you will have a nicely
>> >    formatted file.   A few DOS text editors with word wrap do
>> >    the same thing.
>>
>> I tried Notepad under Win 3.1 and it doesn't appear to alter anything but
>> the display. I tried as you suggested Domingo, and got the prompt you
>> mentioned. I canceled and then did a "save as" to another file and DOS
>> "fc" (file compare) shows they're both the same.
>>
>> I'm sure there are text editors that do as you say, but I  don't think
>> Notepad is one of them.
>>
>> - Longden
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After using HP 200LX for about one year, the display could not stand and
hold up itself at greater than 45 degrees against the keyboard.  After set
up the display angle it will fall back gradually.  It appears the spring
loaded hinge became fatigue and could not support the weight of the
display.  I do not know if this is an isolated case or a weakness of this
machine.  If so, I do not want to do any repair as it will repeat again at
a later stage.  Can I have your comments on it.  Thanks!

Raymond

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Hi Jay,

There are 400MB HDD and 88% of 16MB RAM left and about 20 files on the root
of C drive.  Would they cause the problem?

Raymond

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At 11:54 AM 10/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>check available hd space and memory and number of files in the root
>
>> ----------
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>> I tried to install it on my notebook computer without success.  The
>> error
>> message is: Insufficient resources to load LapLink Remote Access.  Can
>> anyone offer me some hints to cure the problem.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Raymond
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I was sitting down with my buddy and appreciating the 320LX backlight and sound
system, and he was appreciating my "alleycat.exe", my little diary entries in Notetaker,
my Lotus 123 and the PJT2 (project management thing) software....... Then we came out
with this idea. If HP didn't change the 200LX, our dream palmtop is this.

Same size as 200LX, DOUBLE the duability and add WATER PROTECTION. (my
palmtop died 2 weeks back from being soaked in soya bean drink....)

Have a 286/386 class processor with on board 8Megs expandable as according to
current DRAM sizes (Samsung has a 1chip 1gig DRAM in production) running 4k data
transfer (said to halve battery usage).

Have a VGA/EGA class video chip. No accelaration needed.

Have it run the same software, with option to dump in OS/2 Lite / Linux Lite with JAVA?

Have it to have touchscreen facilities and handwriting features, thus effectively having
an in-built PS/2 mouse system (like most laptops)

Have it run latest PCMCIA 2.1 standard drivers, with option to flash in new drivers as an
when nessesary.

Have a parallel port connector the size of the Toshiba floppy drive connector for the
subnote series (it's about 1/4 the thickness of the serial port hole, and twice as long).

Have a backlight system, modular, so as to be an addon, with different backlight
colours like basic green or red for night vision.

The BIOS should run a thing like OpenDOS, with ability to boot from PCMCIA,

MOST of these can be done by addons, but I figure that the software is constricting,
along with the design. If there is a design company doing this kind of work, I wonder if
they would take this kind of scheme in plan.

Have a HP sent back to them, and they offer their special design for a discount,
something like the old 100LX -> 200LX trade in packages.

I wouldn't mind such an offer. It would really mean a lot to not only me, but many others.
Maybe the venture capitalist who posted to the list about 2 weeks ago might be
interested. I could find people who can develop the entire system within 1/2 a year or
so......

Anyway, just my thoughts.
!tagline

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It's not actually a spring loaded hinge.  It has a rubber ring that uses
friction against a metal rod to hold the screen up.

Pop off the right hinge cap (with your fingernail... just get it in
there and wiggle it off) and you can see the central metal piece and the
black rubber ring around it that supports the screen.  Put a few drops
of isopropyl alcohol on it and move the display back and forth.  That
will stiffen it up again, at least for a little while.

Alternatively, you can just try and jam something in between one of the
endcaps and the hinge, thus adding friction manually.  But be careful if
you try it on the left side of the hinge; there's a gap in it through
which runs the ribbon cable that carries the screen signal.

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> Which MIDI instruments include a serial interface?  You mean a serial MIDI
> interface?
> I've never seen one.

I mean a RS232 serial interface, just like the hplx has; and not a serial
MIDI interface.

I think almost every MIDI instrument I've looked at has one these days
(tho that's what I was asking for). Of course, you may be thinking of
something different from me - a midi guitar perhaps, or some other
input device? I'm talking about output devices - midi modules.

For example, the two smallest midi instruments I could find in Australia,
the Yamaha MU-5 and the Kawai GM XC-1 "GMouse", both have MIDI and RS232
serial interfaces, as well.

I'm really really sure about this, because I bought the latter for my
hp200lx, and it really really works. :)


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Has anyone installed the captioned program?  I have never installed any
program on 200LX.  Can you tell me your comments on it, the procedure to
install it and in case of unsuccess can I revert back?

Appreciating guidance.

Raymond

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> For example, if your 200LX rebooted after EVERY TIME you "spilled =
a soda on
> the keyboard of your desktop" ... the hairs on the back of your neck =
would
> start to rise! <G>

You probably should not store your palmtop on top of the desktop
keyboard :-)

Andreas D&A

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I have used HP Connectivity Pack F102B/C with my notebook TI 570CDT for
infrared file transfer long time ago.  TranXit 2.01 for Windows was bundled
in the notebook computer when I bought it.  Now the TranXit program was
removed and installed with Microsoft Infrared driver.  I am now unable to
use infrared transfer.   Recently I downloaded the Transfile win 200 from
HP and found it very good.  Can any experienced user tell me how to use
infrared transfer under the current conditions.

Thanks,

Raymond

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Hi David,

Many thanks for your information and tips.  I tried your tips and appears
to work so far.

Raymond

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At 11:51 PM 10/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>It's not actually a spring loaded hinge.  It has a rubber ring that uses
>friction against a metal rod to hold the screen up.
>
>Pop off the right hinge cap (with your fingernail... just get it in
>there and wiggle it off) and you can see the central metal piece and the
>black rubber ring around it that supports the screen.  Put a few drops
>of isopropyl alcohol on it and move the display back and forth.  That
>will stiffen it up again, at least for a little while.
>
>Alternatively, you can just try and jam something in between one of the
>endcaps and the hinge, thus adding friction manually.  But be careful if
>you try it on the left side of the hinge; there's a gap in it through
>which runs the ribbon cable that carries the screen signal.
>
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I'm having a very difficult time getting sc 6.91 to use extended  memory =
on
my 200LX.  The confusing thing is that it was using extended memory just
fine until about a month ago when I had low battery condition causing
corruption of my files on the PCMCIA card (where I kept the SC files).  I=

re-formatted the flash card, copied all the files back to the card,
including the SC program directly from the program disk floppies. I set u=
p
Mack's EMM program (TREMM) as before and it tests OK.

However, SC just hangs on ititialization when I answer yes to "use extend=
ed
memory". Then, when I execute optimize I have only the option to optimize=

the flash card drive, not the C: drive. I have tried everything I can thi=
nk
of to get SC to use extended memory again, including erasing all c: drive=

files except the bare minimum, and using as little as 25 pages of EMS
memory, and nothing is working. So I'm still using SC, but it's much slow=
er
at switching between sessions now (maybe 15 seconds as compared to 2
seconds before).

Any help would be appreciated.

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Just got a SanDisk 15Meg Compact Flash Memory Card from micro Center for
$199. Card seems to run faster than the on-board 5Meg mem. Comes with an
adapter for the PCMCIA slot.

Is there a database out there that will allow multiple field queries and
that will return the results of all the applicable records in a column
row format? I'm trying Alpha4 Ver 3, but as far as I can tell only Ver 4
has a query function and that takes at least a 386 to run.

Next try is PC File 5.0 which has a query function but does anyone know
how to get it to return all the records in col/row format?

Any other databases out there that will do this? I don't need the full
database creation, editing/appending, etc. just the ability to look up
existing .dbf records.

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>...I had the distinct honor of having dinner with Dr. Deming before he died.
> I like to say that I caught his intolerance for poor workmanship and design.
Ken Moore
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>BTW, who's Dr Deming?
Brendan Macmillan
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Dr. W. Edwards Deming died in 1992. He is in many contemporary encyclopedias, shown as one of the leading Quality "guru's" of our time. Most people in the Quality Assurance industry know of him as being instrumental, in part, in the success and quality philosophy in Japan. You may have heard of the annual coveted "Deming Award" or "Deming Prize". Unfortunately, during the post-WWII era the American manufacturing industry was not intersted in Deming's principals. Japan, however, embraced and revered him and his principals as they do now. At that time "Made in Japan" meant the product was garbage. Made in Japan means something different these days. As you can imagine, the US now follows these principals along with other excellent TQM methods theories and teachers. Thus, the HP200LX. May it continue!
(Once again, I hope my "sermon" is not considered outside of the intent of this list).
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Hi folks-

Does anyone know where to obtain a copy of wear.exe (SanDisk's freeware
utility for wear-leveling of flash cards)??  It's supposed to be
available on CompuServe, but I don't have an account there.

TIA

PR
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On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:44:15 -0700 Darren Frick wrote:

>You got-it Nach.. It's dram, However, as in all computers, the CPU
>doesn't do the refreshing, other circuitry does, and that remains on.

Are you sure about this? DRAM refresh is a fairly power hungry
process not what you would expect in the Palmtop. Also memory
is retained if the main batteries are out and only the 3v backup
battery is fitted. It seems unlikely that a 3V to 5V DC convertor is =

running all the time to power the internal circuitry to support DRAM
refresh and its associated logic.

Laurence Harvey =

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     Hi!
     So true about Dr. Deming. But not with Japan. Made in Japan is stolen
     from the rest of the world. I.E. USA, Germany .............


     Helmut Colorado


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>...I had the distinct honor of having dinner with Dr. Deming before he died.
> I like to say that I caught his intolerance for poor workmanship and design.
Ken Moore
---
>BTW, who's Dr Deming?
Brendan Macmillan
---
Dr. W. Edwards Deming died in 1992. He is in many contemporary encyclopedias, sh
own as one of the leading Quality "guru's" of our time. Most people in the Quali
ty Assurance industry know of him as being instrumental, in part, in the success
 and quality philosophy in Japan. You may have heard of the annual coveted "Demi
ng Award" or "Deming Prize". Unfortunately, during the post-WWII era the America
n manufacturing industry was not intersted in Deming's principals. Japan, howeve
r, embraced and revered him and his principals as they do now. At that time "Mad
e in Japan" meant the product was garbage. Made in Japan means something differe
nt these days. As you can imagine, the US now follows these principals along wit
h other excellent TQM methods theories and teachers. Thus, the HP200LX. May it c
ontinue!
(Once again, I hope my "sermon" is not considered outside of the intent of this
list).
Ken Moore, Training Manager, Omni Training Corp,
http://www.OmniTraining.com

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Peniel Romanelli wrote:

> Does anyone know where to obtain a copy of wear.exe (SanDisk's freeware
> utility for wear-leveling of flash cards)??  It's supposed to be
> available on CompuServe, but I don't have an account there.

Hmm... don't know about that, but I have some other utilities.  Such as one
that allows you to set the power consumption of a Sandisk card.  If anybody
has any utilities for flash cards, (WEAR.EXE included) I'm looking for
anything I can get to try on my card.  :)

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Rob Blasdel wrote:
>
> Just got a SanDisk 15Meg Compact Flash Memory Card from micro Center for
> $199. Card seems to run faster than the on-board 5Meg mem. Comes with an
> adapter for the PCMCIA slot.
>
>

 Hi,
    can't help with the database question, but you should get other
responses. A lot of knowledgable people on this list. I wondered about
your flash card since I'm thinking of purchasing one. I was leaning
toward Magic Ram's cards but what about your setup. I am concerned with
speed of the flash cards. Does the compact flash with adapter stick out
or fit flush ? did the lx recognize it right away ? config ?
thanks in advance for any advice on flash cards.
                                                  Terry
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My site is now updated.  The power went out earlier (it's snowing here)
when I was uploading it and so I've had to wait until now to upload it.
I got the plastic for the Front-Lite and will build a prototype this
weekend.  I'll let everyone know as soon as I finish it.  Later!

-Jeremy
 http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/9861/

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Subject:      Re: HP 200LX Display
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The right hinge is spring loaded, at least it is on the 100LX.
It has a spring and also a pin that goes into the bottom half of the
case at which provides the tension to hold the screen upright.

This right hand tension is also what I believe is the reason that the
100/200LX develops the well known crack in that area. I'm not for sure,
but willing to bet that your pin has fell out or the spring is just worn out.

The rabbits is out of the hat........:-)

On 1997-10-10 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to qman@earthlink.net
   >It's not actually a spring loaded hinge.  It has a rubber ring that
   >uses friction against a metal rod to hold the screen up.

Regards, Qman
HP 100LX Computing In The Palm Of Your Hands

Net-Tamer V 1.09.2 Palm Top

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I too would like some assistance with infrared file transfer.  I just got a
Compaq Armada 1580.  I have tried and tried to make it work with Transfile
with no luck.  I have messed around with turning on and off drivers on the
Compaq, etc.  Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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     Hi!
     If you try to use wintransfile it wont work with IR. Only in serial
     connection

     Helmut in Colorado


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I too would like some assistance with infrared file transfer.  I just got a
Compaq Armada 1580.  I have tried and tried to make it work with Transfile
with no luck.  I have messed around with turning on and off drivers on the
Compaq, etc.  Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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KEN.
WWW.TAPR.ORG HAS FILES ON APRS - AMATEUR POSITION REPORTING SYSTEM. IN
THE FILES WITH THAT PROGRAM IS A FILE WITH OVER 1000 AIRPORTS AND THEIR
LAT/LONG ALSO THE ICAO ID'S. MAYBE THAT WILL HELP.

73 SPENCE K4KEP

Ken A. Moore wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if there is an airport database available free of charge? The database I am looking for does not need to be current, as it will not be needed for flying. I would like it to be in some sort of generic format so that I could import it into my 200LX as a *.GDB file. I would like it to have a fairly exhaustive list of airports with their coordinates, ATIS, ILS, VOR, Tower and Taxi frequencies.
> Thanks,
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Foxpro will do it.  You can use SQL to return only those
columns that you want in a CURSOR (CURSOR=current set of records)

At 10:25 AM 10/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Just got a SanDisk 15Meg Compact Flash Memory Card from micro Center for
>$199. Card seems to run faster than the on-board 5Meg mem. Comes with an
>adapter for the PCMCIA slot.
>
>Is there a database out there that will allow multiple field queries and
>that will return the results of all the applicable records in a column
>row format? I'm trying Alpha4 Ver 3, but as far as I can tell only Ver 4
>has a query function and that takes at least a 386 to run.
>
>Next try is PC File 5.0 which has a query function but does anyone know
>how to get it to return all the records in col/row format?
>
>Any other databases out there that will do this? I don't need the full
>database creation, editing/appending, etc. just the ability to look up
>existing .dbf records.
>
>Rob Blasdel
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Visit http://www.ilovemusic.com  to explore music and dance!
Ear Trainer-software to improve your ear (HP 200LX or desktop PCs)
SHE--shareware Hypertext editor for HP 200 LX call or write for more info.
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The MIDI instruments I have don't have a serial interface--mine are really
high-end MIDI
instruments -- $2,000 to $3000 when new, but they are older instruments:

   Kurzweil 2000
  Roland JD800

Thanks for the info.  I haven't bought a MIDI instrument lately.


At 06:40 PM 10/11/97 +1000, you wrote:
>> Which MIDI instruments include a serial interface?  You mean a serial MIDI
>> interface?
>> I've never seen one.
>
>I mean a RS232 serial interface, just like the hplx has; and not a serial
>MIDI interface.
>
>I think almost every MIDI instrument I've looked at has one these days
>(tho that's what I was asking for). Of course, you may be thinking of
>something different from me - a midi guitar perhaps, or some other
>input device? I'm talking about output devices - midi modules.
>
>For example, the two smallest midi instruments I could find in Australia,
>the Yamaha MU-5 and the Kawai GM XC-1 "GMouse", both have MIDI and RS232
>serial interfaces, as well.
>
>I'm really really sure about this, because I bought the latter for my
>hp200lx, and it really really works. :)
>
>
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I've been following with some interest the Newton keyboard discussions, and
went out this afternoon to look at one.  Looks like this will be my next
HP200LX accessory !  But before I buy it, can anyone out there tell me how
to rewire the connecting cable ?  ie pin-out ?

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Rob Blasdel wrote:

> Just got a SanDisk 15Meg Compact Flash Memory Card from micro Center for
>
> Is there a database out there that will allow multiple field queries and
> that will return the results of all the applicable records in a column
> row format? I'm trying Alpha4 Ver 3, but as far as I can tell only Ver 4
> has a query function and that takes at least a 386 to run.

Wampum (wampum45.zip on www.cdrom.com) has a browse function that lets you
select the fields in shown in a column format. Allows a multifield selection
criteria or a compound index composed of elements of multiple fields.
Minimum 420k memory to run.
The underlying engine is Clipper - highly regarded in the 1980's.

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Hello,

> I saw the posting about the Newton Keyboard on the SUPER page and gave
> it a try.

Have you any picture of this keyboard? Do you know where I can find it?
Interesting to see this keyboard size in comparison with the 200LX size.

Thanks in advance.

Yours ever, Igor Grabelnikov
igg@sbcorp.ru

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Quinton Jones, Jr. wrote:

> The right hinge is spring loaded, at least it is on the 100LX.
> It has a spring and also a pin that goes into the bottom half of the
> case at which provides the tension to hold the screen upright.

Well, I guess it depends on what you mean by "spring loaded."  There is a spring
in there, it's true, in the 200LX.  But that's not what keeps the screen up.  The
spring is there to supply tension to the inner rubber ring against the plastic of
the case.  The spring wearing out is not what causes the screen to go floppy.
When  I took my assembly apart I couldn't get it back together again, so I just
left the spring out and substituted some a piece of IDE ribbon cable for the
rubber ring.  In any case, it works fine.  Feels different, but works.

All this is just what I remember from taking the assembly apart.  I don't
recommend it; it's very difficult to get back together.

> This right hand tension is also what I believe is the reason that the
> 100/200LX develops the well known crack in that area. I'm not for sure,
> but willing to bet that your pin has fell out or the spring is just worn out.

The pin doesn't fall out.  The screen goes floppy because of a lack of friction
between the rubber ring and the metal pin in the middle.  Anything that increases
the friction between the rubber and the metal (like cleaning it) will increase
the stiffness of the screen.

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I just checked the mailbox and still no HP Palmtop Paper. :-(

Regard,
Qman

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Nicholas,

        About two years before the current size/weight notebook computers came
out, someone in a laptop magazine voiced what he thought they should
look/weight/act like/be capable of. He had a wish list, and sure enough,
someone must have read it, or someone else must have been wishing the
same things, for in about two years there were lots of them for sale.
(the only thing, the prices never went down, and this I don't
understand, I think they could make them popularly affordable, myself)
        So keep on dreaming, and voicing your dreams! Ask and you shall
receive!
        Bob Aldrich
        Los Angeles



Nicholas Chan wrote:
>
> I was sitting down with my buddy and appreciating the 320LX backlight and sound
> system, and he was appreciating my "alleycat.exe", my little diary entries in Notetaker,
> my Lotus 123 and the PJT2 (project management thing) software....... Then we came out
> with this idea. If HP didn't change the 200LX, our dream palmtop is this.
>
> Same size as 200LX, DOUBLE the duability and add WATER PROTECTION. (my
> palmtop died 2 weeks back from being soaked in soya bean drink....)
>
> Have a 286/386 class processor with on board 8Megs expandable as according to
> current DRAM sizes (Samsung has a 1chip 1gig DRAM in production) running 4k data
> transfer (said to halve battery usage).
>
> Have a VGA/EGA class video chip. No accelaration needed.
>
> Have it run the same software, with option to dump in OS/2 Lite / Linux Lite with JAVA?
>
> Have it to have touchscreen facilities and handwriting features, thus effectively having
> an in-built PS/2 mouse system (like most laptops)
>
> Have it run latest PCMCIA 2.1 standard drivers, with option to flash in new drivers as an
> when nessesary.
>
> Have a parallel port connector the size of the Toshiba floppy drive connector for the
> subnote series (it's about 1/4 the thickness of the serial port hole, and twice as long).
>
> Have a backlight system, modular, so as to be an addon, with different backlight
> colours like basic green or red for night vision.
>
> The BIOS should run a thing like OpenDOS, with ability to boot from PCMCIA,
>
> MOST of these can be done by addons, but I figure that the software is constricting,
> along with the design. If there is a design company doing this kind of work, I wonder if
> they would take this kind of scheme in plan.
>
> Have a HP sent back to them, and they offer their special design for a discount,
> something like the old 100LX -> 200LX trade in packages.
>
> I wouldn't mind such an offer. It would really mean a lot to not only me, but many others.
> Maybe the venture capitalist who posted to the list about 2 weeks ago might be
> interested. I could find people who can develop the entire system within 1/2 a year or
> so......
>
> Anyway, just my thoughts.
> !tagline

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>The underlying engine is Clipper - highly regarded in the 1980's.

Belive it or not, some of us still highly regard it!!!  :-)

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<<I've been following with some interest the Newton keyboard discussions,=

and
went out this afternoon to look at one.  Looks like this will be my next
HP200LX accessory !  But before I buy it, can anyone out there tell me ho=
w
to rewire the connecting cable ?  ie pin-out ?>>

There are directions that accompany the driver. Follow them.

     Regards,
     Carl Merkle

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<<Have you any picture of this keyboard? Do you know where I can find it?=

Interesting to see this keyboard size in comparison with the 200LX size.>=
>

The current issue of the HP Palmtop Paper has a picture. Also, the
palmtop.net site has a number of photos. I think we'll also have some
posted on the shier site at www.shier.com soon.

     Regards,
     Carl Merkle
     SS&S

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>

Ken A. Moore wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is an airport database available free of charge? The database I am looking for does not need to be current, as it will not be needed for flying. I would like it to be in some sort of generic format so that I could import it into my 200LX as a *.GDB file. I would like it to have a fairly exhaustive list of airports with their coordinates, ATIS, ILS, VOR, Tower and Taxi frequencies.
> Thanks,
> Ken Moore

Ken,

I haven't been following your thread, but I just stumbled across this sight and found something you may be interested in.  Pardon me if someone else already mentioned it.

HP Palmtops Database Repository
http://www.iinet.net.au/~muzza/hp_db.html

look for airport.zip.  Hope it helps.

-clark
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KEN.
TO BAD WE DON'T HAVE MORE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN QA "AND" QUALITY CONROL.

SPENT A TOUR IN ALASKA AS QC INSPECTOR. WE I SURE DID NOT LEAVE ANY
FRIENDS THERE. BUT THERE DID YOU EVER FIND A LOCATION THAT QC WAS LIKED.

WE IT WASN'T OUR JOB TO WIN A POPULARITY CONTEST...........

KEEP IT UP.

73 SPENCE K4KEP EX W9QNI

Ken A. Moore wrote:
>
> >...I had the distinct honor of having dinner with Dr. Deming before he died.
> > I like to say that I caught his intolerance for poor workmanship and design.
> Ken Moore
> ---
> >BTW, who's Dr Deming?
> Brendan Macmillan
> ---
>
> (Once again, I hope my "sermon" is not considered outside of the intent of this list).
> Ken Moore, Training Manager, Omni Training Corp,
> http://www.OmniTraining.com
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I remember a thread on comp.sys.hp48 a few years back about what sort of

stress the HP48 calculators could take (as compared to a TI, especially,

if I recall... :-)  It kind of got out of hand.  The final post involved

(as near as I can recall) the calculator falling into a puddle, getting
run over by a truck, falling into a sewer grating, down through a pool
of molten lava, and into Hell.  And it still worked!  :)

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>    >PS does the Newton make any significant impact on the
>    >battery life?

How much does it decrease your normal battery life?

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Hi Rob... You can try PFS File 2.0 from SPC Publishing for your
database.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Is there a database out there that will allow multiple field queries and
that will return the results of all the applicable records in a
columnrow format?

--> Yes there is. You can try Professional File Version 2 (1988) from
SPC
publishing, at

http://www.spco.com/TECHSUPP/PF/PFTECH2.htm#Kit.


Next try is PC File 5.0 which has a query function but does anyone know
how to get it to return all the records in col/row format?

----> Yes. Try PFS File 2.0

> I don't need the full database creation, editing/appending, etc. just > the ability to look up existing .dbf records.

-----> Yes. PFS File 2.0 can use .dbf file.


Rob Blasdel

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Mack,

I have performed all of the steps you listed, and still, SC 6.91 does not=

run carousel if I have answered yes to the expanded RAM question in
scconfig. The resource pool lists 0k of expanded ram and 0k of extended r=
am
even though TRCHECK says all is OK with my tremm.swp file of 75pages.

Optimize does not run on the C: drive until I erase the tremm.swp file.
Does this give a clue?


Again, I loaded the SC files directly from the manufacturer's floppy, so =
I
dont think that the SC files are corrupted.


Thanks again,

Paul

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Hello group
David Sargeant wrote:(in reply to Quinton Jones, Jr. ):

Q> > The right hinge is spring loaded, at least it is on the 100LX.
> > It has a spring and also a pin that goes into the bottom half of the
> > case at which provides the tension to hold the screen upright.
Its not so much "Tension" as "Friction"
<SNIP>
D> spring is there to supply tension to the inner rubber ring against
the plastic of
> the case.  The spring wearing out is not what causes the screen to go floppy.
> When  I took my assembly apart I couldn't get it back together again, so I just...

Exactly - Me too! & the FAQ should say DONT DO IT!!
<snip>
Q> > but willing to bet that your pin has fell out or the spring is just
worn out.
D> The pin doesn't fall out.  The screen goes floppy because of a lack
of friction

True David - I couldn't pull the pin out of the rod with pliers -
there's
no way it will "fall out"

MORE STUFF:
I have just "merged" a 200lx (SG430..) with an 100LX (SG410..) to make a
200lx
motherboard (had broken screen) in an 100lx case (nice in black) and
screen !
Works fine except Green-200 keys are not the same as blue-100 keys so I
kept
the greenish key surround overlay from the 200. The keys are all molded
on one
sheet of plastic where the key movement is just the flexing of the two
plastic
strips (part of the mold) that hold each key into the frame.
If anyone has a loose key then it will be because the plastic has
snapped (like
my 200lx spacebar) You can repair it with some thin high quality
adhesive tape
across the break but the key will loose some of its "feel" (after
lifting the
key surround overlay that is glued down)

While lifting the screen surround (gently from the screen side out with
a thin
but broad bladed knife) on both the 100lx and 200lx I found all 4 of the
torx6
fixing screws loose. The screws on the left side hold the screen to the
connector
cable and if you have an intermittent screen problem try simply
tightening these
screws (buy the torx #6 screwdriver at your local hardware or electronic
component
reseller)

I have bought a COVERTEC case (was for Psion) that clips to a belt loop
or
a shoulder strap and looks smart and holds the HP100/200lx firmly. The
case
has a thin carrier that holds 2 proprietry Psion SSB cards but can be
modified
for a PC2 card (my LXM modem & very short cable) If you have considered
this
case I recommend it for convenience, protection and style. The quick
release clip
is a nice feature too.

Regards

John Shaw
Wellington, New Zealand

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Quinton Jones JR wrote:
> I just checked the mailbox and still no HP Palmtop Paper. :-(
> Regard,
> Qman

Hi
I got mine here in NEW ZEALAND last week
Maybe give Thadeus a call
Regards
John Shaw
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>> Just got a SanDisk 15Meg Compact Flash Memory Card from Micro Center >> for $199. Card seems to run faster than the on-board 5Meg mem. Comes >> with an adapter for the PCMCIA slot.


> Hi,
>   can't help with the database question, but you should get other
>responses. A lot of knowledgable people on this list. I wondered about
>your flash card since I'm thinking of purchasing one. I was leaning
>toward Magic Ram's cards but what about your setup. I am concerned with
>speed of the flash cards. Does the compact flash with adapter stick out
>or fit flush ? did the lx recognize it right away ? config ?
>thanks in advance for any advice on flash cards.
>  Terry Livingston

Because I was dubious of the Compact Flash configuration, I wouldn't
leave the store until I got it to run. Put the card in the adapter and
popped it in the 200LX, it looks just like a full size card with the
adapter and fits flush. Powered on the machine and went to filer. There
it showed an extra drive E: with 14.9 megs. Changed the autoexec.bat
settings with Memo (assign E:=A:), rebooted and ran a chkdsk on A: and
confirmed the drive was up and working. Headed for the cash register to
pay for it.

I haven't used a stop watch or timed any other software functions, but
in the store I noticed that this card allows chkdsk to run faster than
on the on-board memory. Using the counting method and with the card 70%
filled, chkdsk runs faster by over a full second. I notice no slowdown
of apps. I also haven't noticed any excessive battery consumption.
Although I've only had this card about a week the battery bar has hardly
dropped and I'm using the machine more now due to the extra programs and
data I can now use.

Rob Blasdel

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Hi Raymond

I find this in The Palmtop paper:

The HP Palmtops have a tendency to develop a loose hinge
which can prevent the display from maintaining the angle
that you set. Fortunately, the fix is quite simple, once
you know the problem. The hinge is held on both the right
and left sides. The left side hinge is only a pivot
point. The right side hinge contains a "friction clutch"
which is what keeps the display in the position you set.
The trouble is caused when the clutch gets dirty.
Cleaning the clutch will stiffen the movement.    To
clean the clutch, gently remove the dust cover from the
RIGHT SIDE hinge. This is done, by pulling it straight
off with your fingers. (You may have to push your
fingernail into the grove at the end of the cap to get it
started.   Place a drop of isopropyl alcohol (NOT rubbing
alcohol, because it contains oil) in the center of the
hinge (shown with the arrow.) Work the hinge back and
forth, then replace the end cap.  The hinge should once
again be stiff. NOTE: Never put anything in the left
hinge. The left hinge has the cable for the display
passing through it, which might be damaged by foreign
objects.


Hope this will help you.

Regards Michael

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> Raymond Li wrote
> I tried to install it on my notebook computer without success.  The
> error  message is: Insufficient resources to load LapLink Remote
> Access.  Can anyone offer me some hints to cure the problem.

It is a while since I tried to use the Connectivity Pack, but from what =

I recall the Laplink program supplied with it only works in Windows =

3.1 and when I tried to use it with Windows 95 I got the same error
message as you. It is not the fact that you have insufficient =

resources but I think is more to do with the way Windows 95
handles the serial ports - but that is just my guess. At the time I =

did a little searching around and found that this is a definite "bug"
and has no work around, others were suffering the same problem.

Use Transfile Win 200 in Windows 95, it's the best you will get.

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Hi Laurence,

Thanks for your effort to provide me with the information.  As far as I
recall, it had worked once when I bought my notebook computer.  I love
Transfile Win 200 which is good as you mentioned but it does not support
SIR or IrDA device which does provide convenience.  Anyway I sincerely
appreciate your response.


Raymond

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At 11:36 AM 12/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> Raymond Li wrote
>> I tried to install it on my notebook computer without success.  The
>> error  message is: Insufficient resources to load LapLink Remote
>> Access.  Can anyone offer me some hints to cure the problem.
>
>It is a while since I tried to use the Connectivity Pack, but from what
>I recall the Laplink program supplied with it only works in Windows
>3.1 and when I tried to use it with Windows 95 I got the same error
>message as you. It is not the fact that you have insufficient
>resources but I think is more to do with the way Windows 95
>handles the serial ports - but that is just my guess. At the time I
>did a little searching around and found that this is a definite "bug"
>and has no work around, others were suffering the same problem.
>
>Use Transfile Win 200 in Windows 95, it's the best you will get.
>
>Hope this helps
>
>Laurence Harvey
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Hi Jones,

I notice you are using Net-Tamer to send email.  Can I change the subject
to talk about Net-Tamer as I am looking at this program for my HP 200LX.
May I have your comments on it and it seems there is not many options on
the market.  I have tried HP 320LX and its email and browser are fine and
considered satisfactory for this type of product.

Thanks,

Raymond

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At 12:04 PM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>The right hinge is spring loaded, at least it is on the 100LX.
>It has a spring and also a pin that goes into the bottom half of the
>case at which provides the tension to hold the screen upright.
>
>This right hand tension is also what I believe is the reason that the
>100/200LX develops the well known crack in that area. I'm not for sure,
>but willing to bet that your pin has fell out or the spring is just worn out.
>
>The rabbits is out of the hat........:-)
>
>On 1997-10-10 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to qman@earthlink.net
>   >It's not actually a spring loaded hinge.  It has a rubber ring that
>   >uses friction against a metal rod to hold the screen up.
>
>Regards, Qman
>HP 100LX Computing In The Palm Of Your Hands
>
>Net-Tamer V 1.09.2 Palm Top
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Hi Michael,

Many thanks for your useful information.  I tried it and it works well so far.

Best regards,

Raymond

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At 11:12 AM 12/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Raymond
>
>I find this in The Palmtop paper:
>
>The HP Palmtops have a tendency to develop a loose hinge
>which can prevent the display from maintaining the angle
>that you set. Fortunately, the fix is quite simple, once
>you know the problem. The hinge is held on both the right
>and left sides. The left side hinge is only a pivot
>point. The right side hinge contains a "friction clutch"
>which is what keeps the display in the position you set.
>The trouble is caused when the clutch gets dirty.
>Cleaning the clutch will stiffen the movement.    To
>clean the clutch, gently remove the dust cover from the
>RIGHT SIDE hinge. This is done, by pulling it straight
>off with your fingers. (You may have to push your
>fingernail into the grove at the end of the cap to get it
>started.   Place a drop of isopropyl alcohol (NOT rubbing
>alcohol, because it contains oil) in the center of the
>hinge (shown with the arrow.) Work the hinge back and
>forth, then replace the end cap.  The hinge should once
>again be stiff. NOTE: Never put anything in the left
>hinge. The left hinge has the cable for the display
>passing through it, which might be damaged by foreign
>objects.
>
>
>Hope this will help you.
>
>Regards Michael
>
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John Shaw wrote:

> Its not so much "Tension" as "Friction"

Good point.  "Frictional tension?"  :)

> Exactly - Me too! & the FAQ should say DONT DO IT!!

Unfortunately, the FAQ doesn't say anything really about disassembly.  Maybe I'll
incorporate that into my updated FAQ at http://coyote.accessnv.com/davidsa/hp/faq.htm

In any case, I do have statements to the effect of  "Don't disassemble the right hinge!"
up at http://coyote.accessnv.com/davidsa/hp/inside.htm


> True David - I couldn't pull the pin out of the rod with pliers -
> there's no way it will "fall out"

Yep.  It's in there pretty securely.  The only thing that could possibly happen is for
the pin to fall out of the hole in the case.  But even that would be impossible if the
200LX wasn't disassembled already.

> Works fine except Green-200 keys are not the same as blue-100 keys so I
> kept the greenish key surround overlay from the 200. The keys are all molded
> on one sheet of plastic where the key movement is just the flexing of the two
> plastic strips (part of the mold) that hold each key into the frame.
> If anyone has a loose key then it will be because the plastic has snapped (like
> my 200lx spacebar) You can repair it with some thin high quality adhesive tape
> across the break but the key will loose some of its "feel" (after lifting the
> key surround overlay that is glued down)

Interesting.  Perhaps I should incorporate some of this data into the revised FAQ as
well.
--
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On Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:05:48,
        Martin Sebastian <marseb@GIGA.COM.AR> Wrote:
>
> ...By the way, you can also use TB anti-virus (for dos), and
> MCAFEE anti-virus (also for dos)....

        Does anybody have McAfee VSCAN running on an LX? Even if
I run it with 558Kb conventional & 416 EMS I still get a
"not enough memory" error.

Cheers,


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On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:50:00 -0700, David Sargeant wrote:

>The pin doesn't fall out.  The screen goes floppy because of a lack of =
friction
>between the rubber ring and the metal pin in the middle.  Anything that =
increases
>the friction between the rubber and the metal (like cleaning it) will =
increase
>the stiffness of the screen.

After my screen went a bit floppy I was concerned until I started to
read about case cracks. I'm now happy to leave it loose, hoping that
the case is less likely to suffer a crack in the area of the hinge.

--=20
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On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:44:03 -0600, Helmut wrote:

>     So true about Dr. Deming. But not with Japan. Made in Japan is =
stolen
>     from the rest of the world. I.E. USA, Germany .............

Not any more Helmut.  Japan are leading the world in many areas of
research and development, semiconductors being one of their finest
achievements.  They also produce some of the most excellent
mechanical/civil engineering products.

--=20
Neil Tungate.
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Try this:
ftp://ftp.epson.com/notebook/WEAR.EXE

it's hp specific, in fact.

For other generic Sundisk questions, look at PCMCIA.TXT in the same directory.

There's also a lot of info about ATAflash disks at:
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On 1997-10-10 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddv*teach*@digita
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   >DOES ANYBODY KNOWS HOW TO GRAPH OR VIEW MUSICAL SCORES ON
   >PALMTOPS? IS THERE ANY PROGRAM TO EDIT MUSIC FOR .WAV, .MID,
   >ETC? THANKS A LOT


     I think there are programs for working with .wav and .mid files
     on Simtel, for DOS, but I never tried them.  Try shareware.com.

     As far as DOS music scoring, there are a couple of single voice
     programs on Simtel that work on the palmtop.   One of them is
     Melody Master (if I got the name right).  But those programs are
     much too wimpy for my needs.  I currently use Music Printer Plus,
     a programs which I purchased from USENET.  It prints profesional
     quality scores, input is via on-screen sheet music, MIDI files,
     or a MIDI instrument (such as a Roland keyboard).  It outputs
     to printer, midi file, score file, or directly to a midi output
     device (I'm still holding on to Brendan posts from the old list
     in which  he describes how to connect the palmtop to a portable
     midi output device he has seen).

     For my part, I often save my work to midi files, then play them
     on my palmtop's pc speaker with a program from SUPER called
     LXMIDI (after having converted the files to a format LXMIDI can
     understand, with another SUPER program called MIDI1TO0).
     The following are the settings I use with LXMIDI.  They allow
     me to play midi files with a minimal amount of speaker noise,
     a moderate tempo, and the pitches played correspond to the
     actual pitches I write with Music Printer Plus:
     LXMIDI -N1 -D0 -E6 -O4 -R0 -T70 -V100 -X %1.MID

     Music Printer Plus, like other excellent DOS music programs, is
     apparently no longer available, but there are several ways to
     obtain it used (like I did.  I had to haggle a bit to get the
     $75 price I paid, because the original retail price is $500).

     Sorry for the ranting style of this post.

     Domingo

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Subject:      Re: Forget Fancy Transfer Programs

On 1997-10-03 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddv*teach*@digita
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   >On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Domingo Diaz-Vazquez wrote:
   >>      I did not know that *any* built-in program could be
   >>transferred       to the desktop and made to work
   >>correctly (since they are       designed to work from ROM,
   >rather than RAM).
   >In the case of Laplink (on the LX), I believe the
   >instructions for using it specifically indicates that the
   >files on the D: drive for Laplink should be transferred to
   >the desktop/laptop.
   >I don't have my manual in front of me for the usual page
   >references, but if I find out otherwise (when I get back to
   >work next week), I'll let y'all know.
   >- Longden

     I checked the manual (page 30-1), and it only mentions
     the Connectivy pack, CommWorks, and Laplink Remote on
     Omnibooks.  Maybe I missed something (the manual is too
     big anyway.  (=8 )

     Domingo

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Subject:      Re: memo hard returns

On 1997-10-09 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddv*teach*@digita
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   >On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Domingo Diaz-Vazquez wrote:
   >>    As far as I know, Windows notepad (at least 3.1)
   >>*does* add     hard returns to text files when turning on
   >>word wrap (unlike     on the palmtop's memo pad).  Load
   >>the memo file to notepad,     turn on word wrap, exit
   >>notepad, then it will ask you if you     want to save the
   >>file (because you have in fact modified it     with word
   >>wrap).  Click on yes, then you will have a nicely
   >>formatted file.   A few DOS text editors with word wrap do
   >the same thing.
   >I tried Notepad under Win 3.1 and it doesn't appear to
   >alter anything but the display. I tried as you suggested
   >Domingo, and got the prompt you mentioned. I canceled and
   >then did a "save as" to another file and DOS "fc" (file
   >compare) shows they're both the same.
   >I'm sure there are text editors that do as you say, but I
   >don't think Notepad is one of them.

     I don't know why that is.  I was quite sure that was correct.
     I usually double check my information before posting, but
     my desktop is down currently.

     Sorry if I misled anyone (although I think I might still be
     right. <g> ).

     Domingo

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Subject:      Re: SUPER site via FTP?

On 1997-10-06 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddv*teach*@digita
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   >On Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:07:14,
   >Domingo Diaz-Vazquez <ddvteach@DIGITAL.NET> Wrote:
   >> Hello.   Can anyone tell me how to reach the SUPER site
   >> via FTP?
   >ftp.palmtop.net/pub/
   >Now wasn't that easy :-)

     Thanks!

     Domingo

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Raymond Li wrote:
>
> Hi Jones,
>
> I notice you are using Net-Tamer to send email.  Can I change the subject
> to talk about Net-Tamer as I am looking at this program for my HP 200LX.
> May I have your comments on it and it seems there is not many options on
> the market.  I have tried HP 320LX and its email and browser are fine and
> considered satisfactory for this type of product.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Raymond
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> At 12:04 PM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >The right hinge is spring loaded, at least it is on the 100LX.
> >It has a spring and also a pin that goes into the bottom half of the
> >case at which provides the tension to hold the screen upright.
> >
> >This right hand tension is also what I believe is the reason that the
> >100/200LX develops the well known crack in that area. I'm not for sure,
> >but willing to bet that your pin has fell out or the spring is just worn out.
> >
> >The rabbits is out of the hat........:-)
> >
> >On 1997-10-10 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to qman@earthlink.net
> >   >It's not actually a spring loaded hinge.  It has a rubber ring that
> >   >uses friction against a metal rod to hold the screen up.
> >
> >Regards, Qman
> >HP 100LX Computing In The Palm Of Your Hands
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Raymiond, Go ahead and use nettamer. I use it all the time for e-mail -
and it's free. I imagine the browser isn't as good as explorer, though.
Be sure to Really read the docs before setting it up, though - it'll
make it much easier.

Darren.

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For quite a while, I'll admit that I tried doing nothing about my
loosening hinge because the faq said to stay away from that right side.
But the isopropyl alchohol trick did the job. Nice tip, whoever
originally posted it.

Darren

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I used to use a Canon (made by Sandisk) Compact Flash card in my
200LX.  Once it was in the adapter, it was physically identical to a
standard Type II card.  Fit perfectly in the LX.  Functionally, I can't
tell the difference between it and the standard Sandisk flashcard I
currently use.  Both are fast, don't require drivers, can be formatted in
my 200LX, and don't seem to have a terrible impact on battery life.
I traded the CF card for the flash card I have now because I needed a
larger capacity, and the other fellow needed a CF card.

Cheers.
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If anyone is interested, I have the radio database made.  Mail me and I
will send it to you direct.

later,
scott
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        Anybody know of a good hacker type page, or program for getting onto
a remote computer using my 200lx?  There must me some way to cause an
interrupt through a parallel port...

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Kevin Barnhart wrote:

>         Anybody know of a good hacker type page, or program for
> getting onto
> a remote computer using my 200lx?  There must me some way to cause an
> interrupt through a parallel port...

RemKey will allow the palmtop's keyboard to act as the keyboard of
another computer.  Another program (can't remember which one) allows the
palmtop's drives to be mapped onto a PC as network drives and vice versa
(I think!).  I'm sure there are other ways to accomplish this but I am
not familiar with any other programs for that purpose.

-Jeremy
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Subject:      Re: hinge crack, it finally got me
Comments: cc: davidsa@ACCESSNV.COM

On 1997-10-07 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddv*teach*@digita
l.net
   >Terry Livingston wrote:
   >> Guess what, yeah, it cracked yesterday.  I'm still under
   >>the year  warranty, so my question is if they send me
   >another unit (hp express),
   >I thought HP discontinued the express exchange for all
   >palmtops purchased after January... am I wrong?

     Unless I heard or understood wrong, express exchange is still
     applicable to the 4meg hp200lx, just not to the 2meg.  That's
     what I recall from my last call to them months ago.

     Domingo
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Hi Ray,

I have run the remote access software of my connectivity
pack on windows 95 as you asked. I did this by following the
solutions published on the HP palmtop paper, Volume 5 Number
4 1996 an article by Pete Jordan.

You did say your error was "insufficient resources".

There are 4 solutions to this problem, and since it is a bit
wordy I will choose the one which I tested and have worked
with since.

The following is on the desktop:

You load LLRA.BAT directly from the AUTOEXEC.BAT file. Open
AUTOEXEC.BAT and add the following lines to the beginning of
the file(but after the command line reffering to
MSCDEX.EXE):

cd\cpack200
call llra.bat
cd\

After saving one should reboot.

On the Palmtop:

There should be a physical link between the palmtop and the
PC when the PC reboots. You must also be running Laplink
remote up and running on the palmtop.

Once you have heard the "beeps"of connection you will have
no problem. You can connect and disconnect at will.

Note: If windows 95 starts up before the connection is made
it will probably not connect. If this is the case reboot the
pc and press F8( you have 2 seconds only). Amenu will appear
from which you must choose "Command Prompt Only".

Dos will appear on your screen, execute autoexec.bat, wait
for the connection beeps, then type Win to start windows 95.


Good luck

Richard

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I'm having a problem sending mail using POST.EXE.  It will send fine up
to about 1000 bytes.  Then it freezes and eventually says "timeout."  It
does the same thing no matter what SMTP server I try, as long as the
mail is larger than about 700 bytes or so. Anybody experienced this
problem?

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I get same thing when down loading large amounts of mail.
I added Timeout=120 to the Mail section as suggested by a list member,
but that did'nt help. :-(

But try adding it to your Mail section and see if it works for you.

Note: Net-Tamer works just fine no matter what the amount is or was.

At 05:01 PM 10/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm having a problem sending mail using POST.EXE.  It will send fine up
>to about 1000 bytes.  Then it freezes and eventually says "timeout."  It
>does the same thing no matter what SMTP server I try, as long as the
>mail is larger than about 700 bytes or so. Anybody experienced this
>problem?


Regards,
Qman

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David Sargeant wrote:
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> I'm having a problem sending mail using POST.EXE.  It will send fine up
> to about 1000 bytes.  Then it freezes and eventually says "timeout."  It
> does the same thing no matter what SMTP server I try, as long as the
> mail is larger than about 700 bytes or so. Anybody experienced this
> problem?
>
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David, I have the same trouble using nettamer. If I type a long e-mail
and ramble on and on, it will send about 1k or less and then stop. I end
up having to send long e-mails out as more than one part. Please post
the solution if it comes to you outside the listserv and if you think it
has relevance to nettamer or e-mail in general.

Thanks, Darren.

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Subject:      MsWorks 3.0  Was Re: Need MS Word for DOS

On 1997-10-05 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddvteach@digita
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   >I'm running MS Works 3.0 on my 200LX.
   >I've downloaded Word 5 from the abandonware site, but after
   >reading all the install problems, and your comment that
   >Word 5.5 is comparable to Works 2, i'll stick with Works 3.
   >0, which is a major leap from Works 2. By the way, Works 3.
   >0 eats up 3.9 meg of my compressed flash card.
   >Saludos... Jeffcom.

   I hope I am not starting a flame war or something, but I have
   always felt that MsWorks 3.0 was as much better than 2.0, as
   DOS 6 was better than DOS 5 (meaning, no substantial improvement
   other than some bells and whistles.   In fact, DOS 6 added a lot
   more to DOS 5 than Works 3 added to 2.  The wizards do not add
   much (unless you are a newbie), and the program is substantially
   slower than version 2.   I own both versions, and I recomend
   Works 2 over Works 3 on the palmtop any day.   I think we have
   enough slow programs on our palmtops without using the slower
   and more RAM hogging of the two programs.  Space used by version
   2 on my palmtop, in bytes:  483352

   My two cents flame suit donned. 8=)  .

   Domingo
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Subject:      Re: ac adaptor

On 1997-10-10 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddvteach@digita
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   >On Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:01:34 +0000, you wrote:
   >>> I DON'T see what you're saying. I do this all the time
   >without = problem.
   >>I don't see it either... Please tell us what you meant
   >>with "... kind of hard...".
   >>Thanks.
   >>Bye,
   >>Christof
   >Chris..  Think of it this way... If you have the AC plugged
   >in the 200LX is on all the time.   Right...   So.. You
   >can't turn it OFF before you unplug the AC... Right?


   Well, I can, and I have done it before (trying to stop a
   runnay program).

   Domingo
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On 1997-10-12 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddv*teach*@digita
l.net
   >Hi Raymond
   >I find this in The Palmtop paper:
   >The HP Palmtops have a tendency to develop a loose hinge
   >which can prevent the display from maintaining the angle
   >that you set. Fortunately, the fix is quite simple, once
   >you know the problem. The hinge is held on both the right
   >and left sides. The left side hinge is only a pivot
   >point. The right side hinge contains a "friction clutch"
   >which is what keeps the display in the position you set.
   >The trouble is caused when the clutch gets dirty.
   >Cleaning the clutch will stiffen the movement.    To
   >clean the clutch, gently remove the dust cover from the
   >RIGHT SIDE hinge. This is done, by pulling it straight
   >off with your fingers. (You may have to push your
   >fingernail into the grove at the end of the cap to get it
   >started.   Place a drop of isopropyl alcohol (NOT rubbing
   >alcohol, because it contains oil) in the center of the
   >hinge (shown with the arrow.) Work the hinge back and
   >forth, then replace the end cap.  The hinge should once
   >again be stiff. NOTE: Never put anything in the left
   >hinge. The left hinge has the cable for the display
   >passing through it, which might be damaged by foreign
   >objects.


   There was a thread on the old list about how using *any*
   alcohol will eventually eat away the plastic, and about
   finding alternatives.   At the time, there wasn't a final
   consensus about alternatives (soap and water after some
   disasembly was suggested).

   Domingo

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On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:20:19,
        Quinton Jones JR <qman@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:

> I get same thing when down loading large amounts of mail.
> I added Timeout=3D120 to the Mail section as suggested by a
> list member,
> but that did'nt help. :-(

        I've been seeing the same thing for the past few weeks. I set
my Timeout=3D90, but still having problems.

>
> But try adding it to your Mail section and see if it works
> for you.
>
> Note: Net-Tamer works just fine no matter what the amount is or
> was.

        Gotta admit, NT hasn't failed here either.

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>   I hope I am not starting a flame war or something, but I have
>   always felt that MsWorks 3.0 was as much better than 2.0, as
>   DOS 6 was better than DOS 5 (meaning, no substantial improvement
>   other than some bells and whistles.

Is Works 2.0 abandonware?  Does anyone know where I can get a copy?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Domingo Diaz-Vazquez <ddvteach@DIGITAL.NET>
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Date: Sunday, October 12, 1997 9:24 PM
Subject: MsWorks 3.0 Was Re: Need MS Word for DOS


>On 1997-10-05 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddvteach@digita
>l.net
>   >I'm running MS Works 3.0 on my 200LX.
>   >I've downloaded Word 5 from the abandonware site, but after

What is the URL for this site.
Thanks
Billy F. Staggs

>   >reading all the install problems, and your comment that
>   >Word 5.5 is comparable to Works 2, i'll stick with Works 3.
>   >0, which is a major leap from Works 2. By the way, Works 3.
>   >0 eats up 3.9 meg of my compressed flash card.
>   >Saludos... Jeffcom.
>
>   I hope I am not starting a flame war or something, but I have
>   always felt that MsWorks 3.0 was as much better than 2.0, as
>   DOS 6 was better than DOS 5 (meaning, no substantial improvement
>   other than some bells and whistles.   In fact, DOS 6 added a lot
>   more to DOS 5 than Works 3 added to 2.  The wizards do not add
>   much (unless you are a newbie), and the program is substantially
>   slower than version 2.   I own both versions, and I recomend
>   Works 2 over Works 3 on the palmtop any day.   I think we have
>   enough slow programs on our palmtops without using the slower
>   and more RAM hogging of the two programs.  Space used by version
>   2 on my palmtop, in bytes:  483352
>
>   My two cents flame suit donned. 8=)  .
>
>   Domingo
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Anyone got the 97 Info cd from the Palmtop Paper guys?

Is it worth the $129 ?

-Tim
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Has anybody tried PCFile 6.5 on the 200LX?  I just installed it and gave
it a try.  Takes up about 1.5 megs.  I'm not sure how good of a database
it is, but it seems quite fast at loading, searching, etc.  Anybody have
any feedback?

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Darren Frick wrote:

> David, I have the same trouble using nettamer. If I type a long e-mail
> and ramble on and on, it will send about 1k or less and then stop. I end
> up having to send long e-mails out as more than one part. Please post
> the solution if it comes to you outside the listserv and if you think it
> has relevance to nettamer or e-mail in general.

I forgot to mention, I get the same problem no matter what modem I use.  14.4
or 28.8 makes no difference.  Neither does changing SMTP servers.  Always
sends about 1000  bytes, and then ZAMMO!  It locks up and times out and
exits.  Yet the other day I was able to download a 1.6MB message.

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Can anyone tell me if these are good numbers (for a 3X flash card)
compared to a 'normal' ATA flash card?
Thanks, Jay
                             typical value
               High performance*        Normal Performance**
1) writing - ... 65 mAmps ................ 50 mAmps
2) reading -.... 55 mAmps  ............... 45 mAmps
3) idle -....... 3 mAmps Max ............. 3 mAmps Max
* High Performance Mode allows for faster Read and Write times.  Because
of this speed increase, battery power will last longer.
**Low Power Mode is available by selecting a lower operating clock
frequency of the controller using a software utility or a specific ATA
command.
Information courtesy of nagy@microtechint.com...


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Jay Gates wrote:

> Can anyone tell me if these are good numbers (for a 3X flash card)
> compared to a 'normal' ATA flash card?

Those would be excellent for a 3x flash card.  (I have a 40MB Microtech
card, from when they had them on sale for much less than they are now.)  In
any case, the docs indicate that it draws 150/160 milliamps max during
read/write operations.  Much greater than the specs you got.  And it
certainly seems to suck up the battery juice faster than a regular flash
card.  So somebody at Microtech gave you those values?  Interesting... maybe
this is a newer model...

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> I'm having a problem sending mail using POST.EXE.  It will send fine =
up
> to about 1000 bytes.  Then it freezes and eventually says "timeout." =
 It

Could it be that you run POST/LX under System Manager, but not from
Applications Manager and not with an upside down exclamation mark in
the comments field? In that case, System manager interfers with the
serial port and makes it impossible to communicate for any DOS
communication program.

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Andreas Garzotto wrote:

> Could it be that you run POST/LX under System Manager, but not from
> Applications Manager and not with an upside down exclamation mark in
> the comments field? In that case, System manager interfers with the
> serial port and makes it impossible to communicate for any DOS
> communication program.

Nope, don't run it from Sysman.  And it will still download messages fine, and
download documents via HV.  It just won't upload more than 1000 bytes to an
SMTP server .  If it makes a difference, the stats on POST.EXE are:
POST.EXE   26321 bytes   5-26-97
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Subject:      Re: MUSIC IN HP200LX
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>    >DOES ANYBODY KNOWS HOW TO GRAPH OR VIEW MUSICAL SCORES ON
>    >PALMTOPS? IS THERE ANY PROGRAM TO EDIT MUSIC FOR .WAV, .MID,
>    >ETC? THANKS A LOT
>
>      As far as DOS music scoring, there are a couple of single voice
>      programs on Simtel that work on the palmtop.   One of them is
>      Melody Master (if I got the name right).  But those programs are
>      much too wimpy for my needs.  I currently use Music Printer Plus,
>      a programs which I purchased from USENET.  It prints profesional
>      quality scores, input is via on-screen sheet music, MIDI files,
>      or a MIDI instrument (such as a Roland keyboard).  It outputs
>      to printer, midi file, score file, or directly to a midi output
>      device
>
>      Music Printer Plus, like other excellent DOS music programs, is
>      apparently no longer available, but there are several ways to
>      obtain it used (like I did.  I had to haggle a bit to get the
>      $75 price I paid, because the original retail price is $500).
Wow, if they could seel it for $500, it must have been pretty excellently
non-wimpy! Sounds very good - can it output a post-script file?

And what might some of these several ways be to obtain it?

I'm seriously looking into using the MuTex and MusicTex additions for
LaTeX on a unix system - other LaTeX output is beautiful, but it all
looks like an awful look of trouble to install...

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> >     So true about Dr. Deming. But not with Japan. Made in Japan is stolen
> >     from the rest of the world. I.E. USA, Germany .............
>
> Not any more Helmut.  Japan are leading the world in many areas of
> research and development, semiconductors being one of their finest
> achievements.  They also produce some of the most excellent
> mechanical/civil engineering products.

Just to further continue this *completely and utterly* off-topic thread:

Is the definition of a guru someone who says that difficult things are easy?


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I've updated the "updated" FAQ I have on my web site.  This is basically

the original 100/200LX faq, from Rob's site (and originally from the
comp.sys.palmtops group) that's been updated by me a few times now.  If
anybody has any suggestions for things I should add, remove, or change,
please let me know.

The URL is:
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Many modern sound modules have added a standard RS232 serial port in
parallel to the MIDI in/out ports. The
differences are that the RS232 port are 38kbps while MIDI are 31.5 kbps,
and that RS232 is +/- 10 V logic while MIDI is 5/0 V.

I use a KORG 05R/W with the serial interface, and it works perfectly. It
translates the RS232 communication with my notebook to standard MIDI on
the MIDI ports automatically, so other MIDI equipment (my keyboard)
works together with the PC/module combination.

I have not tried to connect my HP100LX yet, mostly due to a lack of
competent MIDI-sequencers, that will fit the few kb free disk-space.
Wish I had a many-meg 200.

Best regards

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Having been enthusiastic about the Yellow Computing CD-ROM, I installed
the Minitel emulator.  It is crippled by a timeout and I had some
garbage characters when trying it out, so I thought I'd find out the
price to register for the full version before working on it.  The
supplier wants 590 french francs plus tax = 711 francs (THAT'S 120 US
DOLLARS!!!)

I don't think I can recommend it!

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> I have not tried to connect my HP100LX yet, mostly due to a lack of
> competent MIDI-sequencers, that will fit the few kb free disk-space.
> Wish I had a many-meg 200.

Try gsplay (SimTel). It's 75K TOTAL.

Don't forget you'll need a null modem to reverse the null modem in the
standard hplx-to-PC cable.

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David you need to check out the Cyrix MediaGX CPU this is what the LX400 should be built around. www.cyrix.com

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From:   David SargeantSMTP:davidsa@ACCESSNV.COM
Sent:   Monday, October 13, 1997 2:44 AM
To:     HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject:        200LX FAQ update

I've updated the "updated" FAQ I have on my web site.  This is basically

the original 100/200LX faq, from Rob's site (and originally from the
comp.sys.palmtops group) that's been updated by me a few times now.  If
anybody has any suggestions for things I should add, remove, or change,
please let me know.

The URL is:
http://coyote.accessnv.com/davidsa/hp/faq.htm

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i'll second this (as in 2.0 it) works 2 is great on the palmtop

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> From:         Domingo Diaz-VazquezSMTP:ddvteach@DIGITAL.NET
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> On 1997-10-05 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddvteach@digita
> l.net
>    >I'm running MS Works 3.0 on my 200LX.
>    >I've downloaded Word 5 from the abandonware site, but after
>    >reading all the install problems, and your comment that
>    >Word 5.5 is comparable to Works 2, i'll stick with Works 3.
>    >0, which is a major leap from Works 2. By the way, Works 3.
>    >0 eats up 3.9 meg of my compressed flash card.
>    >Saludos... Jeffcom.
>
>    I hope I am not starting a flame war or something, but I have
>    always felt that MsWorks 3.0 was as much better than 2.0, as
>    DOS 6 was better than DOS 5 (meaning, no substantial improvement
>    other than some bells and whistles.   In fact, DOS 6 added a lot
>    more to DOS 5 than Works 3 added to 2.  The wizards do not add
>    much (unless you are a newbie), and the program is substantially
>    slower than version 2.   I own both versions, and I recomend
>    Works 2 over Works 3 on the palmtop any day.   I think we have
>    enough slow programs on our palmtops without using the slower
>    and more RAM hogging of the two programs.  Space used by version
>    2 on my palmtop, in bytes:  483352
>
>    My two cents flame suit donned. 8=)  .
>
>    Domingo
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that should all be fine... how about available conventional memory?

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> Hi Jay,
>
> There are 400MB HDD and 88% of 16MB RAM left and about 20 files on the
> root
> of C drive.  Would they cause the problem?
>
> Raymond
>
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>
> At 11:54 AM 10/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >check available hd space and memory and number of files in the root
> >
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> >>
> >> I tried to install it on my notebook computer without success.  The
> >> error
> >> message is: Insufficient resources to load LapLink Remote Access.
> Can
> >> anyone offer me some hints to cure the problem.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Raymond
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Subject:      Re: anti-virus for the palmtop

HP>        Does anybody have McAfee VSCAN running on an LX? Even if
HP>I run it with 558Kb conventional & 416 EMS I still get a
HP>"not enough memory" error.

   I'm actually runing scan v. 253. without problems...
   You should quit system manager...it takes a lot of memory

   martin
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Hi Domingo,

Thanks for your advice.  Following the tips supplied by other folks, I
trace back the tips and discover it has been recommended long time ago.  I
believe some people have tried it.  May we have the comments from whom have
tried it before.

Thanks,

Raymond

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At 10:16 PM 12/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>On 1997-10-12 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddv*teach*@digita
>l.net
>   >Hi Raymond
>   >I find this in The Palmtop paper:
>   >The HP Palmtops have a tendency to develop a loose hinge
>   >which can prevent the display from maintaining the angle
>   >that you set. Fortunately, the fix is quite simple, once
>   >you know the problem. The hinge is held on both the right
>   >and left sides. The left side hinge is only a pivot
>   >point. The right side hinge contains a "friction clutch"
>   >which is what keeps the display in the position you set.
>   >The trouble is caused when the clutch gets dirty.
>   >Cleaning the clutch will stiffen the movement.    To
>   >clean the clutch, gently remove the dust cover from the
>   >RIGHT SIDE hinge. This is done, by pulling it straight
>   >off with your fingers. (You may have to push your
>   >fingernail into the grove at the end of the cap to get it
>   >started.   Place a drop of isopropyl alcohol (NOT rubbing
>   >alcohol, because it contains oil) in the center of the
>   >hinge (shown with the arrow.) Work the hinge back and
>   >forth, then replace the end cap.  The hinge should once
>   >again be stiff. NOTE: Never put anything in the left
>   >hinge. The left hinge has the cable for the display
>   >passing through it, which might be damaged by foreign
>   >objects.
>
>
>   There was a thread on the old list about how using *any*
>   alcohol will eventually eat away the plastic, and about
>   finding alternatives.   At the time, there wasn't a final
>   consensus about alternatives (soap and water after some
>   disasembly was suggested).
>
>   Domingo
>
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David Sargeant wrote:
>
> Jay Gates wrote:
>
> > Can anyone tell me if these are good numbers (for a 3X flash card)
> > compared to a 'normal' ATA flash card?
>
Hi Jay,
    Are these cards actually 3X faster? Probably writing is faster, I'm
guessing. Does it make any noticable difference with the sofware you
use?
Thanks, Bryan

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Raymond-

Try "Hacking with Jorgen".  Good explanation on how to load/use LLRA
with win95.  Palmtop.net has some really cool stuff besides this.
 Check it out.

http://www.palmtop.net/~jorgen/w95.htm


Cheerio-

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Subject:  HP Connectivity Pack F1021B/C

I tried to install it on my notebook computer without success.  The
error
message is: Insufficient resources to load LapLink Remote Access.
 Can
anyone offer me some hints to cure the problem.

Thanks,

Raymond

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Hi group-

Been following the discussion of Post/LX timing out.  I've sent zipped
program files of close to 200K to a couple of folks with no problems.

One possible thought - are you using any TSRs that might periodically
interrupt Post?  I had a problem with battlog messing up communications
when running on batteries (or when charging). Just an idea...

PR
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Hi folks-

I wanted to thank all the good people who responded to my question
about wear.exe

I've received a couple of copies and the URL of an ftp site with this
file.  Thanks again.

Sorry to bug you again, but I've got a couple of questions.
        1. Should this be run from drive C: or the flash card (A:)?
        2. Are any command line parameters needed?
        3. Has anyone used wear.exe with a JAMmed drive?
Thought there were detailed instructions in a back issue of the Palmtop
Paper, but could only find fairly general, vague info (unmount Stacked
drive & run with AC adapter)

Any help and advice is appreciated

TIA

PR
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Im working in a project with 200LX, and this project tries to storage
70,000 records in a database and read some bar code in a card (with the
bar code reader connected to serial port of 200LX) this data must be
find in database. If its, OK, if not, something its wrong, then an
alarm sounds.
Any idea about this?
Thanks a lot.
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Brendan Macmillan wrote:
>
> > I have not tried to connect my HP100LX yet, mostly due to a lack of
> > competent MIDI-sequencers, that will fit the few kb free disk-space.
> > Wish I had a many-meg 200.
>
> Try gsplay (SimTel). It's 75K TOTAL.
>
> Don't forget you'll need a null modem to reverse the null modem in the
> standard hplx-to-PC cable.
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Thanks for everything, I will try your tips and Ill post you every
results.
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>>Hi Rob... You can try PFS File 2.0 from SPC Publishing for your
>>database.
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Is there a database out there that will allow multiple field queries >and that will return the results of all the applicable records in a
>column/row format?

>>--> Yes there is. You can try Professional File Version 2 (1988) from
>>SPC publishing, at http://www.spco.com/TECHSUPP/PF/PFTECH2.htm#Kit.

>Next try is PC File 5.0 which has a query function but does anyone know
>how to get it to return all the records in col/row format?

>>----> Yes. Try PFS File 2.0

> I don't need the full database creation, editing/appending, etc. just >the ability to look up existing .dbf records.

>>-----> Yes. PFS File 2.0 can use .dbf file.
>>Regards.
>>d.hendra
>>dxhendra@usa.net.

OK, OK, I'll try PFS 2.0. Now, where can I get a copy? The site
mentioned is a support site but apparently they don't sell it but
haven't abanded it yet either.

Rob Blasdel

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David Runge@AIRTOUCH
10/13/97 09:36 AM


I have been reading the digests of the list and have learned some news
of particular interest to me.  That being the hardware integrity of
the older vs. newer HP200LX's.  I now have to decide whether to
exchange my older unit (mfgd. Singapore 10th week of 95) for a newer
unit (mfgd. Singapore 10th week of 96).  Your experience and comments
could help guide me and those like me to the right decision.

I purchased an HP200LX 2mb in 5/95 and signed up for the HP Express
Exchange when I knew my relationship with my HPLX would be a long one.
And over the years I've exchanged my HPLX 3 times and I'd like to share
my experience and ask for your help:

1.   After several months my 1st unit began losing columns of pixels
     and started getting a loose hinge.  (And to confirm reports I've
     read here, I believe I did carry it the back pocket of my jeans
     a lot in those days and it probably got bent a little.)

2.   After several months, my second unit developed a loose hinge.

3.   For the last 1 1/2 years I've been very happy with my 3rd unit
     (but the screen didn't have as good contrast as the previous one).
     I haven't babied it, its been dropped a couple of times, but I
     usually carried it in a leather "palm" case while at work or the
     very tough and padded "Ripoff" case (both from EduCalc).  A few
     weeks ago, I noticed the rubber foot near the PCMCIA ejector was
     gone and the screw had fallen out, exactly the same scenario as
     other reports I've read in the digests.  I called HP and told
     them of the problem and that I'd had the system lockup about twice
     a week (which I previously had figured wasn't all that unusual
     since I am a heavy user and use Carousel, Lotus Agenda, and
     Managing Your Money, all of which use EMS memory).  Anyway, HP was
     *very* good about it and agreed to send me a new unit.

4.   I told HP that I was thinking about upgrading the unit after
     my warranty ran out and requested a unit with 2mb on the system
     board as well as a better screen.  Well, I got the 2mb on the
     system board, but the screen is slightly less readable.

Anyway, I have both machines now and need to send one back to HP right
away, but I'm worried.  The new machine seems to lock up more than the
old one.  I upgraded to the latest version of Software Carousel and
have used EMM200 (with the patch for units w/ 2mb on the system board)
as well as Mack Bagette's TREMM, but using the same configuration on
both machines, my old one seems more stable.  (I'd say that on both
machines, the lock up usually occurs Software Carousel switches to
Work area 1 when an alarm goes off and when exiting Lotus Agenda in
Work Area 2).

Maybe I should keep the old one?  I have no cracks in either and the
cases seem to be identical in strength.  However, over the weekend,
the foot and screw of the *new* unit fell out of the same place as
the old!  I want to upgrade to 8MB and 2x and I understand Times2tech
can do that even with my old unit.

BTW, I installed Buddy 3.0b, does anybody know if it treats 200LX's
with 2mb on the system board differently?

I would appreciate any help.  Sorry for the length of this message, but
I hope this info is useful to someone else too.

David

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Hello LXers,

I'd like to say one thing to those prospective Newton Keyboard buyers..
I've had one for a couple of weeks now, and the one problem I have with
it (besides the cable being so short I can only use the whole array on a
nice, flat table) is that the KEYS are so hard to push that I have to
pretend I'm typing on an old manual typewriter! This combined with being
smaller than standard keys makes for errors.

Still, all in all, it's better than trying to touch-type on the LX
keyboard! (But David Shier showed me he could! And he was selling me the
Newton keyboard!)

Bob Aldrich
Los Angeles

> <<Have you any picture of this keyboard? Do you know where I can find it?
> Interesting to see this keyboard size in comparison with the 200LX size.>>
>
> The current issue of the HP Palmtop Paper has a picture. Also, the
> palmtop.net site has a number of photos. I think we'll also have some
> posted on the shier site at www.shier.com soon.
>
>      Regards,
>      Carl Merkle
>      SS&S
>

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If anyone currently uses the IrDA driver which allows IR printing from the HP200LX to an HP LaserJet, I have a couple questions:
1. Does this method of transfer require additional battery drain?
2. Will I be able to print with this driver to an HP LaserJet 6MP?

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> Nope, don't run it from Sysman.  And it will still download messages =
fine, and
> download documents via HV.  It just won't upload more than 1000 bytes =
to an
> SMTP server .

Would you mind posting the address of the SMTP server? I would like =
to
try if I can somehow reproduce your problem.

Andreas D&A

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Just curious...

Does anybody know of a command line program that modifies data records
in *.?db files?

Thank you in advance.


Bradley Johnson
Platinum Software Corporation, Inc.
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How many digits in the bar code and what other info must be stored for ea=
ch
item? If it totals 20 characters, that's 1.4 meg, which is no problem for=
 a
flash card. If you are counting hits or otherwise have a non-static
database, having a portable computer with a PCMCIA slot would be very han=
dy
for file processing. A simple custom program in C would work well. A
database package could also work. Size and speed of the database index
structure would be the important thing (it may require and additional meg
or two). And then some custom programming would still be required.

The other factor is how are you going to power the reader. If it wants
power from the LX serial port you may have a problem.

Jorge Aguirre Mart=EDnez wrote:

> I=B4m working in a project with 200LX, and this project tries to storag=
e
> 70,000 records in a database and read some bar code in a card (with the
> bar code reader connected to serial port of 200LX) this data must be
> find in database. If it=B4s, OK, if not, something it=B4s wrong, then a=
n
> alarm sounds.
> Any idea about this?
> Thanks a lot.

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Darren,

I agree that the browser in nettamer isnt up to par with th CE offerings,
but if you have access to a UNIX account anywhere you can use NetTamer to
telnet there and use LYNX. Its a highly usable text based browser, and
using it via a UNIX shell, keeps the pages moving quickly on your palmtop.
I use it all the time.

Dan
driden@stlnet.com

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> From: Darren Frick <DFrick@MAIL.SNIP.NET>
> To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
> Subject: Re: Nettamer
> Date: Sunday, October 12, 1997 5:43 PM
>
> Raymond Li wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jones,
> >
> > I notice you are using Net-Tamer to send email.  Can I change the
subject
> > to talk about Net-Tamer as I am looking at this program for my HP
200LX.
> > May I have your comments on it and it seems there is not many options
on
> > the market.  I have tried HP 320LX and its email and browser are fine
and
> > considered satisfactory for this type of product.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Raymond
> >
> >
 ===========================================================================

> > =========
> >
> > At 12:04 PM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
> > >The right hinge is spring loaded, at least it is on the 100LX.
> > >It has a spring and also a pin that goes into the bottom half of the
> > >case at which provides the tension to hold the screen upright.
> > >
> > >This right hand tension is also what I believe is the reason that the
> > >100/200LX develops the well known crack in that area. I'm not for
sure,
> > >but willing to bet that your pin has fell out or the spring is just
worn out.
> > >
> > >The rabbits is out of the hat........:-)
> > >
> > >On 1997-10-10 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to qman@earthlink.net
> > >   >It's not actually a spring loaded hinge.  It has a rubber ring
that
> > >   >uses friction against a metal rod to hold the screen up.
> > >
> > >Regards, Qman
> > >HP 100LX Computing In The Palm Of Your Hands
> > >
> > >Net-Tamer V 1.09.2 Palm Top
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> Raymiond, Go ahead and use nettamer. I use it all the time for e-mail -
> and it's free. I imagine the browser isn't as good as explorer, though.
> Be sure to Really read the docs before setting it up, though - it'll
> make it much easier.
>
> Darren.
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They absolutely run much faster than a standard flash card.  Especially
during writing.  Reading speed is not mentioned in the specs, but it=
 is
much faster than my other flash card in both reading and writing.  But
my other flash card may have problems anyway.  However, I've had two
other flash cards, and this one is certainly much faster in every
respect.  On the other hand, it drains the batteries much faster as
well...

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Ken A. Moore wrote:
>
> If anyone currently uses the IrDA driver which allows IR printing from the HP200LX to an HP LaserJet, I have a couple questions:
> 1. Does this method of transfer require additional battery drain?
> 2. Will I be able to print with this driver to an HP LaserJet 6MP?
>
> Thanks, Ken Moore
>
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I use it all the time to print to our HP Laserjet 6mp at work. wroks
beautifully and is real fast. Most impressive.

Won't print from dos or Lotus 123- apparently only apps written w/ the
PAL Libraries like Memo and Appointment book.

Darren.

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   >Raymiond, Go ahead and use nettamer. I use it all the time for
   >e-mail - and it's free. I imagine the browser isn't as good as
   >explorer, though. Be sure to Really read the docs before setting it
   >up, though - it'll make it much easier.
   >Darren.

Just to clarify Nettamer is shareware - not free - and if you try it &
like it you should register it. The registration fee is very reasonable
& covers all future upgrades. This will enable the creator of the
program, David Colston, to continue it's development (something he is
continually doing). Support those who are working to expand the
usefulness of our palmtops.

Steven English
Net-Tamer V 1.10 Palm Top - Registered

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Dan Ridenhour wrote:
>
> Darren,
>
> I agree that the browser in nettamer isnt up to par with th CE offerings,
> but if you have access to a UNIX account anywhere you can use NetTamer to
> telnet there and use LYNX. Its a highly usable text based browser, and
> using it via a UNIX shell, keeps the pages moving quickly on your palmtop.
> I use it all the time.
>
> Dan
> driden@stlnet.com
>
> ----------
> > From: Darren Frick <DFrick@MAIL.SNIP.NET>
> > To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Nettamer
> > Date: Sunday, October 12, 1997 5:43 PM
> >
> > Raymond Li wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jones,
> > >
> > > I notice you are using Net-Tamer to send email.  Can I change the
> subject
> > > to talk about Net-Tamer as I am looking at this program for my HP
> 200LX.
> > > May I have your comments on it and it seems there is not many options
> on
> > > the market.  I have tried HP 320LX and its email and browser are fine
> and
> > > considered satisfactory for this type of product.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Raymond
> > >
> > >
> ============================================================================
>
> > > =========
> > >
> > > At 12:04 PM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >The right hinge is spring loaded, at least it is on the 100LX.
> > > >It has a spring and also a pin that goes into the bottom half of the
> > > >case at which provides the tension to hold the screen upright.
> > > >
> > > >This right hand tension is also what I believe is the reason that the
> > > >100/200LX develops the well known crack in that area. I'm not for
> sure,
> > > >but willing to bet that your pin has fell out or the spring is just
> worn out.
> > > >
> > > >The rabbits is out of the hat........:-)
> > > >
> > > >On 1997-10-10 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to qman@earthlink.net
> > > >   >It's not actually a spring loaded hinge.  It has a rubber ring
> that
> > > >   >uses friction against a metal rod to hold the screen up.
> > > >
> > > >Regards, Qman
> > > >HP 100LX Computing In The Palm Of Your Hands
> > > >
> > > >Net-Tamer V 1.09.2 Palm Top
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> > Raymiond, Go ahead and use nettamer. I use it all the time for e-mail -
> > and it's free. I imagine the browser isn't as good as explorer, though.
> > Be sure to Really read the docs before setting it up, though - it'll
> > make it much easier.
> >
> > Darren.
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Thanks, Dan. Y'know what I'd really like to do is have someone help me
figure out how to telnet
into Unix and do IRC Chat. I don't chat much, but it would be neat to be
able to do. It just seems
to complicated to bother figuring out.

Darren.

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They absolutely run much faster than a standard flash card.  Especially
during writing.  Reading speed is not mentioned in the specs, but it=
 is
much faster than my other flash card in both reading and writing.  But
my other flash card may have problems anyway.  However, I've had two
other flash cards, and this one is certainly much faster in every
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I keep seeing these posts about the lower quality of newer
products.  I have a 200LX 4M, from right when they started
making them (Spring 1996, I believe.)  I haven't had any
problems with the hardware -- and my unit's been dropped,
kicked, sat on, and otherwise abused.  I've not had any problems
with this or any other HP product, and they were all made in
Singapore.

Do you guys shoot them or something?  Put it in a microwave?

Ian Butler
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
Check the dull homepage at <http://www.caspers.net/ianrb/>
200LX Programmers Group page coming soon! <~/200lx.html>

"Damn I'm good." -- Duke Nukem

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: I have been reading the digests of the list and have learned some news
: of particular interest to me.  That being the hardware integrity of
: the older vs. newer HP200LX's.  I now have to decide whether to
: exchange my older unit (mfgd. Singapore 10th week of 95) for a newer
: unit (mfgd. Singapore 10th week of 96).  Your experience and comments
: could help guide me and those like me to the right decision.
:
: I purchased an HP200LX 2mb in 5/95 and signed up for the HP Express
: Exchange when I knew my relationship with my HPLX would be a long one.
: And over the years I've exchanged my HPLX 3 times and I'd like to share
: my experience and ask for your help:
:
: 1.   After several months my 1st unit began losing columns of pixels
:      and started getting a loose hinge.  (And to confirm reports I've
:      read here, I believe I did carry it the back pocket of my jeans
:      a lot in those days and it probably got bent a little.)
:
: 2.   After several months, my second unit developed a loose hinge.

: 4.   I told HP that I was thinking about upgrading the unit after
:      my warranty ran out and requested a unit with 2mb on the system
:      board as well as a better screen.  Well, I got the 2mb on the
:      system board, but the screen is slightly less readable.
:
: Maybe I should keep the old one?  I have no cracks in either and the
: cases seem to be identical in strength.  However, over the weekend,
: the foot and screw of the *new* unit fell out of the same place as
: the old!  I want to upgrade to 8MB and 2x and I understand Times2tech
: can do that even with my old unit.

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I thought that this was important for everyone who has a 200 -
or a big computer, for that matter.

Epic MegaGames has released the full versions of ZZT and
Super ZZT to the public domain.  You can get them from Epic
at http://www.epicgames.com.  ZZT, for those of you who were
living under rocks in 1991, was a beautiful Kroz-style game
which centered around object oriented programming and user-
made levels.  Anyway, they released Town, Caves, Dungeon,
and City of ZZT, along with the companion Super ZZT levels
Monster Zoo, Forest of ZZT, and Proving Grounds.  In addition,
they have additional third-party worlds available on their server,
such as the Smiley Guy adventures.

The screen can be hard to read on the 200, but if you ON+/ and
ON+* right you can get a pretty good picture.

Ian Butler
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
Check the dull homepage at <http://www.caspers.net/ianrb/>
200LX Programmers Group page coming soon! <~/200lx.html>

"Damn I'm good." -- Duke Nukem

P.S. Apogee, the evil greedy nasty capitalist pigs, are _still selling_
Kroz, for $25, no less!  I can't imagine they're making any money off
it.

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What's the big deal about Singapore and LX reliability????

Both my 95LX and 200LX where made in Singapore, and I have had no quality related
problems with either.

However, I am miffed that HP did not put a water proof keyboard on LX's.  Even my old
Northgate 386's keyboard was waterproof (I miss Northgate's keyboards!).

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Brendan MacMillan ask:

>>Is the definition of a guru someone who says that difficult things are
easy?

Almost.  A guru is someone who changes you a whole lot of money to say that
difficult things are easy, if only you know the secret.  Then he charges you
a whole lot more money for the secret, and leaves.

cordially,

lynn m. cavendish

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>Almost.  A guru is someone who changes you a whole lot of money to=
 say that
>difficult things are easy, if only you know the secret.  Then he charges=
 >you
>a whole lot more money for the secret, and leaves.

What... no lifetime guarantee?  :)

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On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Ian Butler wrote:

> I keep seeing these posts about the lower quality of newer
> products.  I have a 200LX 4M, from right when they started
> making them (Spring 1996, I believe.)  I haven't had any
> problems with the hardware -- and my unit's been dropped,
> kicked, sat on, and otherwise abused.  I've not had any problems
> with this or any other HP product, and they were all made in
> Singapore.

Maybe you have a blind spot <g>.

> Do you guys shoot them or something?  Put it in a microwave?

Infinitely worse. We dared to open and then <gasp> close the lid.

If you don't have a problem, count yourself lucky. Maybe they made yours
AFTER their morning coffee (or whatever it is they drink there).

I'm on unit #3 (OK so maybe I've got a blind spot too).

- Longden

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Need help with a screen problem.  I spilled soup on and into my palmtop (it
was in my briefcase with lunch).  After I drained the soup from the palmtop
and let it dry, the bottom 1/8 inch of the screen cannot be read.  Any
suggestions to what I can do or do I need a new screen??

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One problem is that most people don't see the hinge crack because it's
too faint.  Look for it, people!  You will almost certainly find it=
 if
you spend any time  at all opening and closing your 200LX.

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Are you saying all the soup is gone, but the bottom part of the screen
won't display anything?  Hmm... could be the zebra strip.  That's
trouble.  How about the motherboard?  Did you make sure the bottom half
of the unit was clean?

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     Hi!
     That is correct. Mine got it (the crack) within one week of normal,
     careful use (no dropping, sitting on, microwave etc.)

        Helmut in Colorado

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One problem is that most people don't see the hinge crack because it's
too faint.  Look for it, people!  You will almost certainly find it if
you spend any time  at all opening and closing your 200LX.

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Raymond Li wrote: > Hi Domingo,
>
> Thanks for your advice.  Following the tips supplied by other folks, I
> trace back the tips and discover it has been recommended long time ago.  I
> believe some people have tried it.  May we have the comments from whom have
> tried it before.> Thanks,> Raymond
>
I tried it on my old black 100LX and after several drops and a few mins
of
opening and closing it's fixed. No more screen dropping to the wide open
position every time
The Isopropyl Alcohol just wipes off the case plastic with no sign of
eating
into it.
After treatment the screen is only slightly firmer to open, not enough
to
break the case (fingers crossed!)
> >   >
> >   >Domingo said: >Hi Raymond
> >   >I find this in The Palmtop paper:
> >   >The HP Palmtops have a tendency to develop a loose hinge
> >   >which can prevent the display from maintaining the angle
> >   >that you set. Fortunately, the fix is quite simple, once
> >   >you know the problem. The hinge is held on both the right
> >   >and left sides. The left side hinge is only a pivot
> >   >point. The right side hinge contains a "friction clutch"
> >   >which is what keeps the display in the position you set.
> >   >The trouble is caused when the clutch gets dirty.
> >   >Cleaning the clutch will stiffen the movement.    To
> >   >clean the clutch, gently remove the dust cover from the
> >   >RIGHT SIDE hinge. This is done, by pulling it straight
> >   >off with your fingers. (You may have to push your
> >   >fingernail into the grove at the end of the cap to get it
> >   >started.   Place a drop of isopropyl alcohol (NOT rubbing
> >   >alcohol, because it contains oil) in the center of the
> >   >hinge (shown with the arrow.) Work the hinge back and
> >   >forth, then replace the end cap.  The hinge should once
> >   >again be stiff. NOTE: Never put anything in the left
> >   >hinge. The left hinge has the cable for the display
> >   >passing through it, which might be damaged by foreign
> >   >objects....

only INSIDE the centre of the hinge will affect the screen ribbon
- between hinge & the round hinge cover is fine but nothing longer
than 10mm. The round hinge cover clips into the bottom half of the
100/200lx case and if you jam too much in the left hinge it will
break off one or both of the clips at that end so be carefull...
The Isopropyl Alcohol is the preferred fix.

> >   There was a thread on the old list about how using *any*
> >   alcohol will eventually eat away the plastic, <Snip>
> >   Domingo
> >Net-Tamer V 1.06H For HP100/200 & OG700 - A long Test Drive?

The Isopropyl Alcohol purchased here in NZ comes in a plastic bottle
with plastic top which must be a good sign!

Regards

John Shaw
Wellington, New Zealand
Net-Tamer V1.08 for HP200LX - Registered

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Thanks.  I opened the unit and did not see any sign the soup had leaked into
the bottom unit.  I' look again.
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>Are you saying all the soup is gone, but the bottom part of the screen
>won't display anything?  Hmm... could be the zebra strip.  That's
>trouble.  How about the motherboard?  Did you make sure the bottom half
>of the unit was clean?
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If the zebra stripe has gotten soup in it, you're going to have to open
up the screen and clean it.  NOT an exercise for the faint of heart,=
 as
it is very difficult to get the zebra stripe to line up again if you
misalign it.  Visit http://coyote.accessnv.com/davidsa/hp/inside.htm
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You'll be much better off if it's just soup on the screen connector=
 on
the left side of the screen.  That's easy to get to, disassemble, and
clean.  I'd try that first.

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I know that there was a previous long discuss about this crack.  However, I could
never determine where this crack is supposed to be located.

Could someone please give a brief description of the potential crack's location on the
case?

Thanks!

Michael

--- On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:57:13 -0400  AF P <afp@CRYOGEN.COM> wrote:

>One problem is that most people don't see the hinge crack because it's
>too faint.  Look for it, people!  You will almost certainly find it if
>you spend any time  at all opening and closing your 200LX.
>
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     Hi!
     Yes Sir. My crack was on the top right corner about an 1/8 of an inch
     down from the edge. That is not counting the rounded portion. It is
     5/8 of an inch long and going to the edge. Used super glue to fix it.
     So far no new cracks.

     Helmut in Colorado

     P.S.: And I do NOT have a Warranty. Since as an employee I bought my
     200LX at a discount.




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I know that there was a previous long discuss about this crack.  However, I coul
d
never determine where this crack is supposed to be located.

Could someone please give a brief description of the potential crack's location
on the
case?

Thanks!

Michael

--- On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:57:13 -0400  AF P <afp@CRYOGEN.COM> wrote:

>One problem is that most people don't see the hinge crack because it's
>too faint.  Look for it, people!  You will almost certainly find it if
>you spend any time  at all opening and closing your 200LX.
>
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Just a note to say thanks.  It worked!  It is scary taking apart but thanks
to superb instructions worked great!
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>You'll be much better off if it's just soup on the screen connector on
>the left side of the screen.  That's easy to get to, disassemble, and
>clean.  I'd try that first.
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mdstockr wrote:

> I know that there was a previous long discuss about this crack.  However, I could
> never determine where this crack is supposed to be located.
> Could someone please give a brief description of the potential crack's location on the
> case?

I'll post a picture to the ol' web site showing where the crack will appear.

--
Visit the HP200LX site at http://coyote.accessnv.com/davidsa/hp

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   PALO ALTO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 13, 1997--
Hewlett-Packard Company today introduced the HP 360LX palmtop PC with
Microsoft(R) Windows(R) CE 2.0, expanding to its award-winning family
of Windows CE-based palmtop PCs.
   HP leads the palmtop PC market by concentrating on key customer
needs, such as screen size, quality and total cost of ownership.  The
HP 360LX offers such breakthrough features as a full-width,
16-greyscale, high-contrast screen with natural-white backlight and
enterprise management capabilities.  In late 1997, HP expects to
further enhance its palmtop PC line with the HP 620LX, a
color-display model.
   "HP is a recognized leader in the palmtop PC category, having
engineered the HP 320LX, the first Windows CE handheld device with a
full-width, 640- x 240-pixel screen," said Dennis Hamann, worldwide
marketing manager of HP's Asia Pacific PC Division.  "By advancing
the role of the palmtop PC in the enterprise and offering a new color
model, HP substantially advances its leadership position in the
handheld industry."

THE HP 360LX PALMTOP PC BREAKS GROUND IN THE ENTERPRISE

   Based on the Windows CE 2.0 operating system, the HP 360LX offers
corporate customers significant advantages in mobile computing,
including easy PC synchronization and compatibility with familiar
business applications, such as Microsoft PowerPoint.
   In early 1998, HP expects to deliver software to manage the HP
360LX palmtop PC as a component on the network using HP TopTools and
other DMI-compliant management applications.  The HP TopTools
initiative will lower a corporation's total cost of ownership of
enterprise computing products while giving network administrators a
simple, standardized means of managing the computing assets of the
enterprise.
   Other advantages of the HP 360LX palmtop PC include the
high-contrast display with 16 grey shades, increasing visibility and
clarity; a month-view PIM that makes time management and organization
even more convenient for mobile professionals; and a dedicated
storage slot for CompactFlash cards, leaving the PC card slot free
for a modem connection.  The HP 360LX palmtop PC also comes with 8MB
of RAM; 10MB of ROM; and an improved Hitachi microprocessor, which
significantly enhances performance and speed.

HP'S GROWING PALMTOP PC FAMILY:  VALUE, PERFORMANCE AND COLOR

   HP secured and solidified its industry leadership with products
such as its scientific calculator, circa 1972, and its DOS-based
palmtop PCs.  HP continued to revolutionize the handheld category
with the introduction of its Microsoft Windows CE-based palmtop PCs
-- including the HP 320LX, the first wide-screen, Windows CE palmtop
PC, and now its HP 360LX.  And coming in late 1997, HP's palmtop PC
family will further advance the industry with the addition of a
color-display model, the HP 620LX palmtop PC.

AVAILABILITY, PRICING AND SUPPORT

   The HP 360LX palmtop PC is expected to ship in late 1997 and will
be available through corporate resellers, including Ingram Micro and
Merisel, as well as retail locations such as CompUSA, Computer City
and Office Depot.  The HP 360LX has an estimated street price of
$699 (U.S.).  It is backed by a one-year limited warranty that
offers next-day, express-pickup-and-delivery service.  HP's
color-display palmtop PC, the HP 620LX palmtop PC, is expected to be
available in early 1998.
   For owners of the popular, award-winning HP 320LX palmtop PC, who
purchased their units after Sept. 2, 1997, HP offers a coupon for a
free Windows CE 2.0 ROM upgrade.  Information on HP's ROM upgrade
program and additional information on HP palmtop PCs can be found on
the World Wide Web at http://www.hp.com/handheld or by calling
800/443-1254.

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On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:05:44,
        Martin Sebastian <marseb@GIGA.COM.AR> wrote:

> HP>  Does anybody have McAfee VSCAN running on an LX?
> HP>I run it with 558Kb conventional & 416 EMS I still get a
> HP>"not enough memory" error.
>
>    I'm actually runing scan v. 253. without problems...
>    You should quit system manager...it takes a lot of memory

        I got a copy of SCAN 2.5.5 to run, but could not get a copy=
 of
3.0.4 to go.

        Thanks for the tip.

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Carol Bernstein wrote:

>    PALO ALTO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 13, 1997--
> Hewlett-Packard Company today introduced the HP 360LX palmtop PC with
> Microsoft(R) Windows(R) CE 2.0, expanding to its award-winning family
> of Windows CE-based palmtop PCs.

I suppose I should be glad HP is improving on the 300 and 320LX, but I
just can't shake the feeling that they're going full steam ahead on the
WinCE units and that this spells doom for further production of the
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Dave, since you wrote in your editorial about noticing CE on the back of
your 200lx, I've remembered a couple of other places I've seen that same
exact symbol. On my friends box that his pentium motherboard came in.
(this is a full color box, and the CE is right on there, not a sticker)
-- also as a sticker ( same exact stylized 'ce' ) on a box containing a
Lucent Technologies telephone handset part, So AT&T and microsoft
obviously are both involved in the conspiracy. How can we possible
overcome it??? There were some other sigtings, I just can't recall them
now.

Darren.

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Okay, I put up a page with a picture and information about the infamous
hinge crack.  It's at the top of the main page.

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The touch of the keyboard does take a little getting used.  But after a while
I am finding that I can type quite rapidly.  When I am in a meeting, I like
to but the keyboard on
my lap because it is less distracting.  I put the HP 200LX on the desktop.
I don't find
the size of the keys a problem at all.  I don't like the placement of the
arrow keys, but
I will get used to them in time.

I agree that the keyboard is a must have for those who want to do a lot of
text entry on the 200 LX.

At 10:54 AM 10/13/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello LXers,
>
>I'd like to say one thing to those prospective Newton Keyboard buyers..
>I've had one for a couple of weeks now, and the one problem I have with
>it (besides the cable being so short I can only use the whole array on a
>nice, flat table) is that the KEYS are so hard to push that I have to
>pretend I'm typing on an old manual typewriter! This combined with being
>smaller than standard keys makes for errors.
>
>Still, all in all, it's better than trying to touch-type on the LX
>keyboard! (But David Shier showed me he could! And he was selling me the
>Newton keyboard!)
>
>Bob Aldrich
>Los Angeles
>
>> <<Have you any picture of this keyboard? Do you know where I can find it?
>> Interesting to see this keyboard size in comparison with the 200LX size.>>
>>
>> The current issue of the HP Palmtop Paper has a picture. Also, the
>> palmtop.net site has a number of photos. I think we'll also have some
>> posted on the shier site at www.shier.com soon.
>>
>>      Regards,
>>      Carl Merkle
>>      SS&S
>>
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How about mentioning the benefits of the 200LX while you are at it!.
You would still sell a lot of HP 200 LX computers if people knew they
existed.  I still can not find them in local computer stores.

In many ways the 200 LX is still superior to the new models.

Why not give consumers a choice?

I can:

     learn Japanese,
     translate languages,
     connect a Newton keyboard,
     control MIDI instruments,
     turn my palmtop sideways and read it like a paperback book,
     improve my mood with GOODMood.exe written by a UCLA Professor,
     make a plan for owing zilch on my credit cards using ZILCH.exe
     do project planning
     brainstorm problems using a special brainstomring program

 etc., etc. with my HP200LX.

I can't do that with the Windows CE machines!   Yes, sometimes Windows
is appropriate and better than DOS, but often it isn't.  I think you
could sell more palmtops if you at lease let the average person know
that the 200 LX exists.  I had to find out the benefits myself
through my own research on the Interenet.



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Philip Seyer wrote:

> The touch of the keyboard does take a little getting used.  But after a while
> I am finding that I can type quite rapidly.  When I am in a meeting, I like
> to but the keyboard on my lap because it is less distracting.  I put the HP
> 200LX on the desktop.
> I don't find the size of the keys a problem at all.  I don't like the placement
> of the
> arrow keys, but I will get used to them in time.
> I agree that the keyboard is a must have for those who want to do a lot of
> text entry on the 200 LX.

The other day I ran a typing test.  I was able to type 73 words per minute on the
200LX's keyboard.  Total 281 characters (excluding spaces) and average word
length was 4 characters.  On a desktop, I can type about 90 wpm.

So you see, the keyboard can be used effectively.  It just takes some getting
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>      improve my mood with GOODMood.exe written by a UCLA Professor,

I could do with this program! :) Especially since HP turned the
hp200lx hardware into abandonware ...

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Darren Frick wrote:

> Dave, since you wrote in your editorial about noticing CE on the back of
> your 200lx, I've remembered a couple of other places I've seen that same
> exact symbol. On my friends box that his pentium motherboard came in.
> (this is a full color box, and the CE is right on there, not a sticker)
> -- also as a sticker ( same exact stylized 'ce' ) on a box containing a
> Lucent Technologies telephone handset part, So AT&T and microsoft
> obviously are both involved in the conspiracy. How can we possible
> overcome it??? There were some other sigtings, I just can't recall them
> now.

It's on flash cards, modems, and other hardware components as far as I
know.  Clearly there is some kind of worldwide thing going on here.  POWER
TO THE PEOPLE!  GIVE ME LIBERTY FROM WINDOWS CE OR GIVE ME DEATH!  :)

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David Sargeant wrote:

> The other day I ran a typing test.  I was able to type 73 words per
> minute on the 200LX's keyboard.  Total 281 characters (excluding spaces)
> and average word length was 4 characters.  On a desktop, I can type
> about 90 wpm.

Wow, you are a typing superman! But at 73 wpm, who needs a Newton keyboard?
I think I might give myself this typing test, too.

But you tire sooner on the 200LX's keyboard?

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Brendan Macmillan wrote:

> Wow, you are a typing superman! But at 73 wpm, who needs a Newton keyboard?
> I think I might give myself this typing test, too.
> But you tire sooner on the 200LX's keyboard?

Good question.  I don't think so; I've typed pages of text a time before.
However, I rarely have any time to type continuously; interruptions usually
come up.  However, it is harder to hit the backspace key on the 200LX when you
make a mistake.  Shifting is harder too.  That's why I love Buddy's smartcaps
feature; 90% of the times it helps avoid unnecessary keystrokes.

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I'm looking for a screen scrollback program for my 100LX.
Buffit is the only one I've found so far that doesn't use
expanded/extended memory. And it's hotkey doesn't seem to
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Yes, yes!  Please!  Thank you very much!
-David

>Hi David:
>
>On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:28:10,
>        You wrote:
>
>> Is Works 2.0 abandonware?  Does anyone know where I can get a
>> copy?
>
>I have a copy I can send, ~1.6mB ZIPped. Shall I send it along?

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I've found I type about 30wpm slower on the 200 kb than
on a desktop.  (86wpm on the desktop, 58wpm on the 200.)
I did this using PC-Fastype 2, I think it's available on SimTel.

I don't really tire sooner on a 200 - the motions to get your
fingers from key to key are greatly reduced on a 6 in x 3 in
keyboard.  You can drill the sharp ends of those keys right
into your fingertips, though. ;) Shifting is kind of a pain but
with sticky keys it's a lot easier. Anyone for a shift footswitch?

All in all, I think with a bit of practice, a good typing tutor
program, and an AC adapter, anyone who can handle the key-
board for short periods of time could type quickly on a 200.
My recommendation: use 3 fingers on each hand, and your
right thumb for the spacebar.  And disable the &... key, just
try missing that backspace and not noticing it until you've
launched four or five other programs. ;)

Ian Butler
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
Check the dull homepage at <http://www.caspers.net/ianrb/>
200LX Programmers Group page coming soon! <~/200lx.html>

"Damn I'm good." -- Duke Nukem

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: > Wow, you are a typing superman! But at 73 wpm, who needs a Newton
keyboard?
: > I think I might give myself this typing test, too.
: > But you tire sooner on the 200LX's keyboard?
:
: Good question.  I don't think so; I've typed pages of text a time before.
: However, I rarely have any time to type continuously; interruptions
usually
: come up.  However, it is harder to hit the backspace key on the 200LX
when you
: make a mistake.  Shifting is harder too.  That's why I love Buddy's
smartcaps
: feature; 90% of the times it helps avoid unnecessary keystrokes.

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Don't know much about the Cyrix chips, but AMD has an 80MHz
486 embeddable processor.  Remember it has to be embeddable
so that it can be combined with all the other subsystems.  Our
dear 200 has an Intel 80c186 _embedded_ processor, meaning
it is part of the Hornet chip.

Remember also -- it can't be _too_ fast -- no fans inside a 1" high
palmtop! :)

Ian Butler
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should
: be built around. www.cyrix.com

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Ian Butler wrote:

> All in all, I think with a bit of practice, a good typing tutor
> program, and an AC adapter, anyone who can handle the key-
> board for short periods of time could type quickly on a 200.
> My recommendation: use 3 fingers on each hand, and your
> right thumb for the spacebar.  And disable the &... key, just
> try missing that backspace and not noticing it until you've
> launched four or five other programs. ;)

Tell me about it.  Stupid &... key.  Once I nearly deleted all of my Notebook
notes before I realized I was no longer in Memo.  :)

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Stan -

I use a DOS program called Scrollit on my desktop. I haven't tried it on
the HP200 yet.

I found a copy at
"http://wkweb4.cableinet.co.uk/frank.james/page3.html".

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Ian Butler wrote:

> Don't know much about the Cyrix chips, but AMD has an 80MHz
> 486 embeddable processor.  Remember it has to be embeddable
> so that it can be combined with all the other subsystems.  Our
> dear 200 has an Intel 80c186 _embedded_ processor, meaning
> it is part of the Hornet chip.

What, exactly, is contained in the Hornet?  Specifically, is the BIOS in the
chip?  I wouldn't think so.  Oh well; time to consult the developer docs...

> Remember also -- it can't be _too_ fast -- no fans inside a 1" high
> palmtop! :)

Well... you could use it if you sat in front of an air conditioning duct all
day... :)

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> ...it is harder to hit the backspace key on the 200LX when you
> make a mistake.  Shifting is harder too.  That's why I love Buddy's smartcaps
> feature; 90% of the times it helps avoid unnecessary keystrokes.

--
Hmmm. I hadn't analysed what makes typing on the hplx difficult....
IDEAS #1 & #2:

LaTeX (a unix typesetting program) parses text to identify the start of
sentences (for formatting); using a simple regular expression (like):
        full-stop, whitespace*, capitalised letter

& ignoring exceptions. I'd guess Buddy is similar (except for the caps. <g>).

IDEA #1: type text without capitals, and then run a simple filter to
capitalise letters which follow a full-stop & spaces...  Then need not use
the shift key; thus easing typing by the analysis quoted above.

Alternatively,  I could just get Buddy. <g>

--
But Buddy sounds sophisticated and I need simple. Also, I use my hplx
more as a DOS machine than for PIM. And so I use the wonderfully powerful
(and yet simple <g>) 'CALVIN' instead of Memo, and I'd guess that Buddy
doesn't work with this...

BTW, in Calvin you delete by saying things like
        dw      for (d)elete (w)ord, and
        df)     for (d)elete to the next right-parenthesis;
so I haven't noticed problems with the backspace key.... Calvin (a very
tiny clone of UNIX vi) is on the SUPER site, and I highly reccommend it.

--
More for Calvin fans  :)
--
<<I wonder if Rudi, of bcursor fame, could work some assembly magic here?>>
IDEA #2
--
While calvin is in <insert mode>, and a full-stop has been hit: if the
next non-whitespace is a letter, precede it by a shift! Abandon if the
SHIFT key is actually pressed. I suppose that this is just what Buddy
does... except it need not worry about <insert> vs <cmd> mode.

You could add layers and layers of functionality to calvin if this
method works...! Very, very cool!

<Rudi, maybe I really should start helping with the programming if it's
getting this ambitious...>

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> > Remember also -- it can't be _too_ fast -- no fans inside a 1" high
> > palmtop! :)
>
> Well... you could use it if you sat in front of an air conditioning duct all
> day... :)

That'd be really cool...

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Does anyone know of a database or test file of Country codes which appear
on the end of Internet addresses?


David Eggins

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Does anyone know of a way to find out what E-Mail ListServers like this
one exist?  I am looking in particular for a Visual Basic List server.  If
I found one that was half as active and focussed as this one, I would be
VERY happy.


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Al little off the topic, but years ago a little company in Oregon wrote a
word processing software that anticapiates the next word and if it is
unabiguous it finishes the word. The software was call WriteNow. the total
package with dictonary is about 250K. I have used it on my LX for several
years. I think the  whole thing is abondonware.

karl



At 02:56 PM 10/14/97 +1000, you wrote:
>> ...it is harder to hit the backspace key on the 200LX when you
>> make a mistake.  Shifting is harder too.  That's why I love Buddy's
smartcaps
>> feature; 90% of the times it helps avoid unnecessary keystrokes.
>
>--
>Hmmm. I hadn't analysed what makes typing on the hplx difficult....
>IDEAS #1 & #2:
>
>LaTeX (a unix typesetting program) parses text to identify the start of
>sentences (for formatting); using a simple regular expression (like):
>        full-stop, whitespace*, capitalised letter
>
>& ignoring exceptions. I'd guess Buddy is similar (except for the caps. <g>).
>
>IDEA #1: type text without capitals, and then run a simple filter to
>capitalise letters which follow a full-stop & spaces...  Then need not use
>the shift key; thus easing typing by the analysis quoted above.
>
>Alternatively,  I could just get Buddy. <g>
>
>--
>But Buddy sounds sophisticated and I need simple. Also, I use my hplx
>more as a DOS machine than for PIM. And so I use the wonderfully powerful
>(and yet simple <g>) 'CALVIN' instead of Memo, and I'd guess that Buddy
>doesn't work with this...
>
>BTW, in Calvin you delete by saying things like
>        dw      for (d)elete (w)ord, and
>        df)     for (d)elete to the next right-parenthesis;
>so I haven't noticed problems with the backspace key.... Calvin (a very
>tiny clone of UNIX vi) is on the SUPER site, and I highly reccommend it.
>
>--
>More for Calvin fans  :)
>--
><<I wonder if Rudi, of bcursor fame, could work some assembly magic here?>>
>IDEA #2
>--
>While calvin is in <insert mode>, and a full-stop has been hit: if the
>next non-whitespace is a letter, precede it by a shift! Abandon if the
>SHIFT key is actually pressed. I suppose that this is just what Buddy
>does... except it need not worry about <insert> vs <cmd> mode.
>
>You could add layers and layers of functionality to calvin if this
>method works...! Very, very cool!
>
><Rudi, maybe I really should start helping with the programming if it's
>getting this ambitious...>
>
>--
>Brendan Macmillan
>bren@cs.monash.edu.au
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I am looking for a 100LX or 200LX second hand at a reasonable price.


I have looked on alt.sys.palmtops.hp, and even posted a WTB, but no
response.  Where is the best place to look for ForSales of these units?


Anyone who has one they want to sell, please E-Mail me.


David Eggins

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: What, exactly, is contained in the Hornet?  Specifically, is the BIOS in
the
: chip?  I wouldn't think so.  Oh well; time to consult the developer
docs...

I think that the Hornet contains the CGA controller, what passes for a
keyboard
controller, the UART, the PCMCIA controller, probably some sort of ISA bus,
a speaker driver, the 186, and a standard motherboard chipset.  If there is
a
separate ROM chip on the motherboard, that would contain the BIOS and all
the
builtin programs.  I don't have developer docs or anything, but as an avid
mess-around-inside-big-computers guy, I'm betting that's what it contains.

See, if we could drop in an AMD 486, make the internal bus VESA LB or
-- heaven help us -- Micro Channel -- and add _real_ keyboard controllers
and
a 16550 UART (or a IEEE P1394 controller, the new 100mbit serial protocol)
for _both_ IR and serial, integrate an 8-bit Covox-style DAC, and add true
PCMCIA socket compatability, we'd be set.  The above paragraph could be put
on _one chip_, mind you.  Pretty impressive, if you ask me.  Oh yeah --
also a
nice VGA video card like a Cirrus Logic 5428 would work wonders on graphics
speed, as would anything that ran off VESA local bus.

HP -- I want this machine by _yesterday_, and make it $200! ;)

Ian Butler
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
Check the dull homepage at <http://www.caspers.net/ianrb/>
200LX Programmers Group page coming soon! <~/200lx.html>

"Damn I'm good." -- Duke Nukem

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For Raymond and others on the list, the web address below details getting
the connectivity pack working on a Win95 machine.  I have tried it, and it
works a dream. Thanks Jorgen.  I have been meaning to see if I can get the
connectivity pack to work on my Windows NT 4.0 machine as well, but haen't
had the time. I will post details when it is done.


http://www.palmtop.mnet~jorgen/tips.htm


Also, to Raymond:


Your problem with the "Insufficient Resources to load laplink could be
that you do not have enough conventional memory (the first 640k).  I seem
to remember getting the same message on my win3.1 486 8mb laptop when the
PCMCIA drivers where loaded (requiring lots of conventional memory).  I
made my Config.sys and autoexec.bat boot configurable, and all was solved.


David Eggins

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I downloaded LXBAR today, but seing the docs are in Japanese, And I am
ignorant of the Japanese Language, I was wondering if anyoneknows how to

use it.


Does LXBAR use the IR port to read the barcode, or do you need extra
hardware?


How do I find out what standards a barcode conforms to.  I assune
Australia uses only one standard.


I look forward to info from someone who has used this useful tool.


David Eggins

Canberra Australia

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I exported some data from a gdb file recently using the clip definition,
and print to file.  Everything was exactly as I wanted it, except i got
hard returns on the end of each line of the note field. Is there any way
around this?  I coud not imagine it would be easy to programatically
remove those CRLF's only, and leave all others.


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I have QFax on my palmtop, and have used it with an external Fax/Modem.
All was OK.


I recently borrowed a PCMCIA Fax Modem. RediCARD Data/Fax Modem by DATA
RACE. V.32bis Data/14,400bps FAX/9600bps.  Made in USA.  Copyright 1993 on
label.  When using the built in data comm on the palmtop, works fine.
When using QFax, I get


Modem Reset...OK

Initialisation OK

Class 1 fax/modem detected OK

Modem set to Class 1 fax mode

errorCan not determine determine modem capability

Procede to hang up

Can not sent DCN

Modem Hangs up


I have tried it with modem init strings:

  AT\J0\Q1    (Suggested by the fax software with modem card)

  AT&F&C1&D2  (Suggested by QFax)


Both same outcome.


The HP 200LX 2mb is not double speed.


I have the "CIC100 /gen 1" line in my autoexec.bat.  Will this handle the
fax capeabilities as well?  Do I need another driver?


Sorry about the size of this E-Mail, and thank you for any help.


David Eggins

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> I did this using PC-Fastype 2, I think it's available on SimTel.
Thanks!

> And disable the &... key, just try missing that backspace and not noticing
> it until you've launched four or five other programs. ;)
How do you do that? Can you disable some of the other keys as well -
I often hit the FILER key when going for the w (cursor movement in
Calvin)

Do you do it be editing the entries in the application manager?

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David,

On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:10:15 +1000
David Eggins <deggins@pcug.org.au> wrote:

> I downloaded LXBAR today, but seing the docs are in Japanese, And I am
> ignorant of the Japanese Language, I was wondering if anyoneknows how to
>
> use it.
>
>
> Does LXBAR use the IR port to read the barcode, or do you need extra
> hardware?

Let me correct basic things.  LXBAR is not a barcode reader.  It is a
barcode "viewer", which displays the barcode of the string you enter.

> How do I find out what standards a barcode conforms to.  I assune
> Australia uses only one standard.

LXBAR supports following barcodes:
   * USS-39(CODE-39)
   * USS-CODABAR(NW-7)
   * USS-I 2/5
   * JIS X 0501(JAN)
   * JAN-SMALL

The author apparently implemented the barcodes poplular in Japan and U.S.
Probably you can check what is popular in Australia.

> I look forward to info from someone who has used this useful tool.

The author (Eiichiroh Itoh) write in the document that he is happy if
you treat this as a joke software.


Toshiki Sasabe
    home: toshiki@j.email.ne.jp
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David Sargeant wrote:
>
> Darren Frick wrote:
>
> > Dave, since you wrote in your editorial about noticing CE on the back of
> > your 200lx, I've remembered a couple of other places I've seen that same
> > exact symbol. On my friends box that his pentium motherboard came in.
> > (this is a full color box, and the CE is right on there, not a sticker)
> > -- also as a sticker ( same exact stylized 'ce' ) on a box containing a
> > Lucent Technologies telephone handset part, So AT&T and microsoft
> > obviously are both involved in the conspiracy. How can we possible
> > overcome it??? There were some other sigtings, I just can't recall them
> > now.
>
> It's on flash cards, modems, and other hardware components as far as I
> know.  Clearly there is some kind of worldwide thing going on here.  POWER
> TO THE PEOPLE!  GIVE ME LIBERTY FROM WINDOWS CE OR GIVE ME DEATH!  :)
>

Sorry to interfere in this conversation, but I think it would be better
to stop the joke here...
CE, on all these stuffs and many others, stands for "European Community"
and this marking is used to prove the device has been checked compliant
with European standards, particularly considerring the EMI
(electro-magnetic interference) rules. So nothing to do with any M$
product, whatever we could think about them.
I think that you, US guys should thank god that M never had the idea of
giving a name like WIN UL or anything looking like any other US
requirements conformity acronym...

More of this, I'm a bit surprise seeing the time spent in this group to
write (and obviously read) critical reviews of WIN CE. The pro and cons
are what they are and well known today... So if you're of the ones who
don't like it, why not just ignoring it... and save energy to valuate
DOS LX's ?

Sincerely,

Pierre

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     Hello!

     I have a kortex faxmode pcmcia 14.4 card
     can any one tell me where to find the right files for it to use with
     ccmail and other programs for hp200lx

     Thanx Yehuda.

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Yes - I have the ISO lists in Excel.  Should I send them to SUPER?
Jez

> Does anyone know of a database or test file of Country codes
> which appear on the end of Internet addresses?

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Did anyone try the case that comes with the HP48 ?
I am using this thing now for about half a year for my lx.
For my needs it is the best choice I could make.
It is quite tight but there is room for extra AA's and an extra
backup battery. An extra PCMCIA-card would fit into in in addition to
that. These are the things I like to carry around with me.
It looks like I am carrying a cheap hp48 with me, so it prevents my
beloved lx from being stolen. I got it for more or less nothing, I
think it is the cheapest option one can have.

I don't want to start a new big thread about cases but I guess
someone else could benefit from this solution.

Regards,
Christof

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I recently found it at www.derive.com (information about it).

Does anyone already use it ?

Regards,
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Thanks, David.

After looking at the photo, it is very clear where to potential crack is located.  The upper
case casting is obviously poorly designed in this location, resulting in very high stresses when
the case is opened.  This is because this is where the thicker hinge material mates with the
much thinner outer shell material.

Even though my unit does not show any signs of cracking at this time, it is evident that there
is a very high potential for a crack to develop.  You can even see the location of the potential
crack in the outer texture of the case.  This is probably because turbulent flow of the plastic
during casting.

I think that the only reasons that my unit has not developed a crack are:
    - I am ambidextrous, so I am not always opening the case from one side.
    - I tend to open the case from the center latch, there-by minimizing torque
      and distributing the load evenly over both sides of the hinge.

It might be interesting to see if any left handed owners have developed case cracking.

QUESTION:  Does anyone know of an easy way to open the upper case, so that reinforcing
    material can be added in this location?  I was thinking about adding an epoxy paste
    and spreading the stress over a larger area.

--- On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:04:35 -0700  David Sargeant <davidsa@ACCESSNV.COM> wrote:

>Okay, I put up a page with a picture and information about the infamous
>hinge crack.  It's at the top of the main page.
>
>--
>Visit the HP200LX site at http://coyote.accessnv.com/davidsa/hp
>
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>From:    AF P <afp@CRYOGEN.COM>
>One problem is that most people don't see the hinge crack because it's
>too faint.  Look for it, people!  You will almost certainly find it if
>you spend any time  at all opening and closing your 200LX.

I probably open my 9 month old 200LX 30 times a day and I haven't seen
that hinge crack.  I've looked but maybe I'm not looking in the right
place??

Could someone with a camera and a web site put up a picture of the
200LX with an arrow pointing to where the crack forms?

Thanks,
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Is this an invitation?

Seems to include everything, but how to subscribe!

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On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Stan Peters wrote:

> I'm looking for a screen scrollback program for my 100LX.
> Buffit is the only one I've found so far that doesn't use
> expanded/extended memory. And it's hotkey doesn't seem to
> work.

PC Magazine had a program called WAITASEC that would freeze a scrolling
screen and also let you scrollback.

You can get a copy from http://www.shareware.com

Search for 'waitasec'.  It's freeware and seems to eat 30k of memory as a
TSR.

I tried it on my PC and it works OK, but it seems to lock my LX. I didn't
read the docs...maybe you can figure it out.

- Longden

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David Sargeant <davidsa@ACCESSNV.COM> wrote:

> I suppose I should be glad HP is improving on the 300 and 320LX, but=
 I
> just can't shake the feeling that they're going full steam ahead on=
 the
> WinCE units and that this spells doom for further production of the
> 200LX...

That's sure what it looks like. HP has apparently been fully
assilimated by the Borg. Depressing news indeed. Guess I better order
my 8MB Dbl-speed 200LX from Thaddeus ASAP...

PR
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Did that... Having mental problem with the waiting part.

I hope someone at HP, someone high enough up to have a positive effect,
reads the postings to this mailing list.
To you, <insert high-up name here> please include support for clunky old
dried-up DOS applications in future palmtop products.  I can't speak for
everyone but I for one am <fist slamming on desk> _COMPELLED_ to use DOS
based applications in my work. (the software is specialized,
proprietary, and not being updated to follow every whimsical turn in the
saga of Bill Gates.)

OOPS... sorry, got lost there...

Good day!
Phil

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>Guess I better order my 8MB Dbl-speed 200LX from Thaddeus ASAP...
>
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I feel that the biggest problem with the 200LX's future is not consumer demand or whether the
200LX is better than WinCE.  The problem is internal HP politics.

I am sure that HP was sold a "bill of goods" by MS.  Based on that, a decision was made by a HP
executive to produce 3x0LX's.

Now, regardless of which is better (CE vs 200LX) or of which system is preferred by consumers,
HP has made both a political and monetary commitment to the 3x0LX.  Therefore, HP is not
promoting the 200LX and is hoping that it will GO AWAY!

I believe that the magazines are not responsible for the lack of 200LX coverage.  I am sure that
they are being told by HP that the 200LX is being phased out, that the 3x0LX is better and that
they should review the 3x0LX in their articles.

--- On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:21:45 -0400  Peniel Romanelli <peniel@WEB2000.NET> wrote:

>David Sargeant <davidsa@ACCESSNV.COM> wrote:
>
>> I suppose I should be glad HP is improving on the 300 and 320LX, but I
>> just can't shake the feeling that they're going full steam ahead on the
>> WinCE units and that this spells doom for further production of the
>> 200LX...
>
>That's sure what it looks like. HP has apparently been fully
>assilimated by the Borg. Depressing news indeed. Guess I better order
>my 8MB Dbl-speed 200LX from Thaddeus ASAP...
>
>PR

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When you are replying to a message, please take a moment
to cut out some of the irrelevant stuff. I've seen one or
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Since HP has abandoned all marketing efforts, I was wondering if owners on this list would think
it worth while to make an effort to promote the 200LX ourselves?

For starters, maybe a campaign to write to the editors of various magazines by representatives
of the list would be appropriate.  Not mass writings.  But, a few good quality letters submitted
in the name of the list.

Another suggestion might be to write articles and submit them to various publications and post
them on the Internet.

I encourage any comments on this from the list.
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In UNIX (I am not well versed in UNIX) there is a command "make" which
as I understand it, creates executable UNIX code from a source file.
Could something like "make" be created to "port" (another mystical
programming term) MS DOS applications to Weirdness CE?
It seams to me, not being a programmer, or having clue-1 about
programming, that the parameters of DOS and CE must be definable and
some sort of "cross link" table could exist, allowing software intended
for DOS to be changed to work under CE.

Standing on the street corner, begging for software coins,
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David,

Is there a chance you could forward a copy to me also or post the file
someplace I could download it.

TIA  ........... Marc Maxwell
At 11:07 PM 10/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Yes, yes!  Please!  Thank you very much!
>-David
>
>>Hi David:
>>
>>On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:28:10,
>>        You wrote:
>>
>>> Is Works 2.0 abandonware?  Does anyone know where I can get a
>>> copy?
>>
>>I have a copy I can send, ~1.6mB ZIPped. Shall I send it along?
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HM>One problem is that most people don't see the hinge crack because it's
  >too faint.  Look for it, people!  You will almost certainly find it=
  > if
  >you spend any time  at all opening and closing your 200LX.

There's no missing it on my 100LX, as I had to glue it together to keep .
things in one piece. Since I just ordered a 200LX, is there any way to
prevent this?

Jim

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HM>Okay, I put up a page with a picture and information about the infamous
  >hinge crack.  It's at the top of the main page.

This just happened to my 100LX. I didn't realize it was a common
problem until I got on this list....

Jim

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oops,my apologies.  I just subscribed to this list, but I also moderate
the fidonet PALMTOPS echo.  I have an auto-posting program that posts
the rules to the PALMTOPS echo on a monthly basis.  This is what you
saw.  I THOUGHT I had disabled the auto-post of the rules, but obviously
did not.  I have just written requesting permission of the list owner to
gate the HPLX-L list into the Fidonet PALMTOPS echo in an effort to
better promote these little devices,one of which (my 100LX) I've been
addicted to for the last 4 years.
        Anyway, I screwed up in going ahead with this before hearing
from the list owner as I thought I had the outbound stuff disabled.

Jim Henry

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On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Phil Drummond wrote:
> In UNIX (I am not well versed in UNIX) there is a command "make" which
> as I understand it, creates executable UNIX code from a source file.

<GROSS SIMPLIFICATION ALERT>
Not exactly.  make is a utility used to call other programs that creates
executable UNIX code from a source file.  What happens is that the
programmer creates a "makefile" that lists the depedencies (what source
files are needed to make what executables), and only calls the compiler to
comile those programs whose source code has changed.
</GROSS SIMPLIFICATION ALERT>

> Could something like "make" be created to "port" (another mystical
> programming term) MS DOS applications to Weirdness CE?
No.  This has been covered before.  The root of the problem is that the
WinCE machines use a different processor that accepts different
instructions.  There is something called a cross-compiler that will
compile executables for a different platform than they were developed on,
and in fact that's the way all WinCE apps are written, since no compilers
run on them (AFAIK).  But to use them, you would need to buy the
cross-compuler for a few hundred dollars, and have the source code of the
programs to convert.  And when you're done, you'll have a lame text-only
version of the program, but running on a WinCE machine.  You would have to
do a fair amount of recoding to turn it into a real windows application.
Some work may be needed just to compile it at all.

> It seams to me, not being a programmer, or having clue-1 about
> programming, that the parameters of DOS and CE must be definable and
> some sort of "cross link" table could exist, allowing software intended
> for DOS to be changed to work under CE.
>
No, because different processors "think differently" and have different
resoruces at their disposal.


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----- forwarded message -----

From: mikemary@cyberramp.net (Mike Kilpatrick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: FS: HP100LX 1MB $135
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 14:22:05 GMT

I am selling my backup.

100LX 1MB in excellent shape, with both manuals.

$135 plus shipping ($8 for 2-day FedEx).

Thanks,
Mike Kilpatrick


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Qman

HP 100/LX Computing in the palm of your hands

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I just installed it successfully.  After playing around for a while, the
program hanged up during logging off.  I need to perform a hard reset by
simultaneously pressing ctrl + ON + arrow.  It initialized the RAM disk and
all data in it is lost.  Can anyone provide me with a fix to avoid it.

In addition, how can I surf web sites.  I cannot find any selection from
the menu.

Thanks,

Raymond

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Thanks.  I think I understand, at least I have an understanding of the
hugeness of the proposed task.  If anything, what you are saying
(different ways of handling resources) just further supports the real
need for the HP(DOS)LX palmtops to live on.  I don't think I will ever
be able to convince the vendors of the stuff we use to re-develop their
products for WinCE.  I think they would do it for a main-line platform,
but not for Wintoys CE.

Phil

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Subject:      IR Prining to HP LaserJet

I have downloaded the IrDA driver off of the SUPER site (great web site!) A couple more questions for anyone currently uses the IrDA driver which allows IR printing from the HP200LX to an HP LaserJet:
1. Can anyone please e-mail me, or add to the list, some more detailed instructions than those on the readme.txt file?
2. Would someone please post the contents of a sample autoexec.bat file as it would appear on the C drive including the "call" line as instructed in the IrDA directions?
3. Does the config.sys file get copied untouched from the D drive to the C drive?
I don't want to screw anything up and since we are all friends here, I thought I woud expose my ignorance and ask for help. I am a little paranoid.

Thanks, Ken Moore

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Hi All,

It is an exciting article.  I am particularity interested in 620LX model.
Would it be something like Libetto?  Where can I obtain greater details.

Thanks,

Raymond

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At 08:04 PM 13/10/97 -0600, you wrote:
>   PALO ALTO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 13, 1997--
>Hewlett-Packard Company today introduced the HP 360LX palmtop PC with
>Microsoft(R) Windows(R) CE 2.0, expanding to its award-winning family
>of Windows CE-based palmtop PCs.
>   HP leads the palmtop PC market by concentrating on key customer
>needs, such as screen size, quality and total cost of ownership.  The
>HP 360LX offers such breakthrough features as a full-width,
>16-greyscale, high-contrast screen with natural-white backlight and
>enterprise management capabilities.  In late 1997, HP expects to
>further enhance its palmtop PC line with the HP 620LX, a
>color-display model.
>   "HP is a recognized leader in the palmtop PC category, having
>engineered the HP 320LX, the first Windows CE handheld device with a
>full-width, 640- x 240-pixel screen," said Dennis Hamann, worldwide
>marketing manager of HP's Asia Pacific PC Division.  "By advancing
>the role of the palmtop PC in the enterprise and offering a new color
>model, HP substantially advances its leadership position in the
>handheld industry."
>
>THE HP 360LX PALMTOP PC BREAKS GROUND IN THE ENTERPRISE
>
>   Based on the Windows CE 2.0 operating system, the HP 360LX offers
>corporate customers significant advantages in mobile computing,
>including easy PC synchronization and compatibility with familiar
>business applications, such as Microsoft PowerPoint.
>   In early 1998, HP expects to deliver software to manage the HP
>360LX palmtop PC as a component on the network using HP TopTools and
>other DMI-compliant management applications.  The HP TopTools
>initiative will lower a corporation's total cost of ownership of
>enterprise computing products while giving network administrators a
>simple, standardized means of managing the computing assets of the
>enterprise.
>   Other advantages of the HP 360LX palmtop PC include the
>high-contrast display with 16 grey shades, increasing visibility and
>clarity; a month-view PIM that makes time management and organization
>even more convenient for mobile professionals; and a dedicated
>storage slot for CompactFlash cards, leaving the PC card slot free
>for a modem connection.  The HP 360LX palmtop PC also comes with 8MB
>of RAM; 10MB of ROM; and an improved Hitachi microprocessor, which
>significantly enhances performance and speed.
>
>HP'S GROWING PALMTOP PC FAMILY:  VALUE, PERFORMANCE AND COLOR
>
>   HP secured and solidified its industry leadership with products
>such as its scientific calculator, circa 1972, and its DOS-based
>palmtop PCs.  HP continued to revolutionize the handheld category
>with the introduction of its Microsoft Windows CE-based palmtop PCs
>-- including the HP 320LX, the first wide-screen, Windows CE palmtop
>PC, and now its HP 360LX.  And coming in late 1997, HP's palmtop PC
>family will further advance the industry with the addition of a
>color-display model, the HP 620LX palmtop PC.
>
>AVAILABILITY, PRICING AND SUPPORT
>
>   The HP 360LX palmtop PC is expected to ship in late 1997 and will
>be available through corporate resellers, including Ingram Micro and
>Merisel, as well as retail locations such as CompUSA, Computer City
>and Office Depot.  The HP 360LX has an estimated street price of
>$699 (U.S.).  It is backed by a one-year limited warranty that
>offers next-day, express-pickup-and-delivery service.  HP's
>color-display palmtop PC, the HP 620LX palmtop PC, is expected to be
>available in early 1998.
>   For owners of the popular, award-winning HP 320LX palmtop PC, who
>purchased their units after Sept. 2, 1997, HP offers a coupon for a
>free Windows CE 2.0 ROM upgrade.  Information on HP's ROM upgrade
>program and additional information on HP palmtop PCs can be found on
>the World Wide Web at http://www.hp.com/handheld or by calling
>800/443-1254.
>
>ABOUT HP
>
>   HP is the official information-technology hardware and
>maintenance supplier to the 1998 World Cup soccer tournament.
>   Hewlett-Packard Company is a leading global provider of
>computing, Internet and intranet solutions, services, communications
>products and measurement solutions, all of which are recognized for
>excellence in quality and support.  HP has 120,500 employees and had
>revenue of $38.4 billion in its 1996 fiscal year.
>   Information about HP and its products can be found on the World
>Wide Web at http://www.hp.com .
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>Microsoft Corp.  Windows is a U.S. registered trademark of Microsoft
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>
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>
>   CONTACT:  Hewlett-Packard Company
>             Larry Sennett, 408/553-2916
>             larry_sennett@hp.com
>                      or
>             Alexander Communications for HP
>             Catherine Hatch, 415/923-1660
>             chatch@alexander-pr.com
>
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>
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>From:    David Eggins <deggins@PCUG.ORG.AU>
>Does anyone know of a way to find out what E-Mail ListServers like this
>one exist?  I am looking in particular for a Visual Basic List server.  If

Check out the List of Lists.  You can find it at...

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On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Jez wrote:

> Yes - I have the ISO lists in Excel.  Should I send them to SUPER?
> Jez
>
> > Does anyone know of a database or test file of Country codes
> > which appear on the end of Internet addresses?

If you don't send them to SUPER, I would like an email copy also. Thanks.

- Longden

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On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, David Eggins wrote:

> I exported some data from a gdb file recently using the clip definition,
> and print to file.  Everything was exactly as I wanted it, except i got
> hard returns on the end of each line of the note field. Is there any way
> around this?  I coud not imagine it would be easy to programatically
> remove those CRLF's only, and leave all others.

I use the GDBDUMP/GDBLOAD programs (on SUPER). GDBDUMP writes the database
as a comma-separated-variable text file and normally includes the Note
field.

Hard returns appear to be converted to a "\r\n" text string, which you can
probably remove globally with most text editors.

I don't use the clip definition method myself tho.

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On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, David Eggins wrote:

> I am looking for a 100LX or 200LX second hand at a reasonable price.
>
> I have looked on alt.sys.palmtops.hp, and even posted a WTB, but no
> response.  Where is the best place to look for ForSales of these units?

I usually see several ads a week (I think) in comp.sys.palmtops.

Don't know how reasonable they are.

- Longden

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> The two SMTP servers I've tried are kitfox.anv.net and

This one did not let me send a message to my email address. Seems to =
be
somewhat restricted regarding valid receipients.

> coyote.accessnv.com.  Both work fine from Netscape 4.

That one worked fine for sending a 23k test file using POST/LX, so =
I
assume it is some configuration problem you have. Do you have a problem
with any other services or just with SMTP? What ISP do you use? What
baud rate? Do you run WWW/LX within SysMgr or with SysMgr terminated?
Any TSRs you use that might conflict with serial communications?

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>Roy Stroud wrote:
>>
>> is it possible to piggy back dram chips in the hp200 (enough verticle space)?
>> i have done this years ago on other computers.
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>E -- Gads !!! That was a long time ago. Those were little 8k and 16k
>chips, though. What a flashback.
>
>Darren

Yes, piggy backing components would work in this case.  Almost all of
the control signals are shared between multiple memories.  With the
HP's DRAM, the only signal that isn't shared is the RAS_, of which
the processor has four (that I've identified).

This would make soldering a lot easier - bend the leads of the part
you're adding and run a jumper to the new RAS_ line.

There are two problems, though.  The first is that you're limited
to the package/pinout that's already on the board.  My 200LX
contains two 256Kx16 components - so adding 1M isn't all that
impressive.  The 2M+ machines probably have a lot better memory
configuration for doing this sort of thing.

The other problem exists on my machine - I don't know about the
others.  HP did something interesting to make the routing of
the memory lines simpler - somehow they contracted Samsung to
produce a "mirror image" DRAM package.  Basically, all the
lines are reversed on one of the two packages so that it's VERY
easy to route signals between them.  Great from their point
of view - but it makes it pretty difficult for us - those
mirror image chips wouldn't be available to the public at large.

If they're doing something similar with the 2M machine (namely,
breaking it into two 1Mx16, one normal, one mirrored chips),
then your piggy back idea would very a pretty simple and very
cheap way to add 1M to your 2M machine.  Or if you're lucky and
HP decided they didn't want to pay the NRE money for a mirrored
chip, you might be able to add 2M.

Rudy Moore
(200lx memory page: http://www.upl.cs.wisc.edu/~orn/200lx.html)

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> Is there a chance you could forward a copy to me also or post the file
> someplace I could download it.
 TIA  ........... Marc Maxwell
 >Yes, yes!  Please!  Thank you very much!
 >>Hi David:
 >>On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:28:10,
 >>> Is Works 2.0 abandonware?  Does anyone know where I can get a
> >>> copy?
 >>I have a copy I can send, ~1.6mB ZIPped. Shall I send it along?

Me too!  (Heh heh...;)

Seriously, if someone could also send me a copy, I'd highly appreciate it.

You can either send it to HPLX mailbox directly (hplx@teklab.com) or ftp it
to me at ftp://ftp.teklab.com/teklab/incoming and send me mail at jv@teklab.com
to let me know it's there so I can remove it - unless it's okay for it to be
there for others to download too, that is...

I'm pretty sure that it's abandonware no?

Jay Vaughan
jv@teklab.com

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snip

> ................ Calvin (a very
> tiny clone of UNIX vi) is on the SUPER site, and I highly reccommend it.

I double the recommendation (again).  A *powerful*, QUICK, yet small
editor of my (ultimate?) choice on PC's (after the philosophy that one
need only to know one good editor which is ubiquitous (usage?)). Does
anyone know some platforms on which vi is not available?  VMS?
WinCE? ...

> IDEA #2
> --
> While calvin is in <insert mode>, and a full-stop has been hit: if the
> next non-whitespace is a letter, precede it by a shift! Abandon if the
> SHIFT key is actually pressed. I suppose that this is just what Buddy
> does... except it need not worry about <insert> vs <cmd> mode.
>
> You could add layers and layers of functionality to calvin if this
> method works...! Very, very cool!
>
> <Rudi, maybe I really should start helping with the programming if it's
> getting this ambitious...>

This involves writing a TSR, knowing when Calvin enters both modes,
and handling keyboard-events.  The last one is still quite new to me.
So it takes time till I'm prepared to finish it.

BUT, I know one here on the list, who is COMPLETELY PREPARED to code
such a tiny TSR with at most two man-hours (I estimate):
This is the dear author of LxPic, LxMap, LxPro, ...

        Stefan Peichl <Stefan.Peichl@t-online.de>

He needs only to copy one of his similar TSR as template, and then
copy some of his interrupt service handlers, modify these handlers
according to these facts:

1. Calvin stays in command-mode on start.
2. Calvin calls int 10h, ah=1, ch=3, cl=7  on entering insert mode.
3. Calvin calls int 10h, ah=1, ch=6, cl=7  on returning to command mode.

And there it is!

So, Stefan! Are you reading? :)   I'm sorry for this, but that's
really what came into my mind ....

Rudi

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I've tried it in every possible configuration, including a
no-config-files bootup.  Same result.  But it might be a problem on
this end, because I also am having trouble with the DNS in HV.

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WinCE is no laughing matter.  I don't like it anymore than the next
guy/gal, for what it means to the future of HP DOS palmtops, but...

Would we all gripe about CE if suddenly the 8086 emulator worked for the
color CE versions? (16 Color CGA)  Or what if a protected mode 386 emulator
suddenly popped out? (Then it could run, gasp, windows 3.1)

I have to admit, I would still shy from CE just because it supports MOGAR
(Microsoft's Overt Global Authoritarian Rule).  Who would want an even
richer Nerd?


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I am thinking about 13 digits. Every record is some identification that
we use in Mexico.
The reader may be powered by batteries (Express Decoder Universal Bar
Code Solutions - 199 us) and connected to serial port.
Im testing with a PCS QuikScan 6000 reader, powered by an AC Adaptor
and connected to serial port of my 200LX 1MB, but I have problem with
the barcom driver. In theory the barcom driver loads on system and you
can use the reader with your application. I dont have a application for
the project then I tried with lotus 123, vde word procesor, etc. but
dont work. Whit DataComm, I can read the bar code and I can capture
many products and send it to a cap file. I dont know if this be useful.
I need to know first if the bar code reader work with the PIM
applicattion of 200LX or only work with DOS.
How long time represents an application in C o perl?(I have meeting next
monday for this)

Thanks for your help.

Stan Peters wrote:
>
> How many digits in the bar code and what other info must be stored for each
> item? If it totals 20 characters, that's 1.4 meg, which is no problem for a
> flash card. If you are counting hits or otherwise have a non-static
> database, having a portable computer with a PCMCIA slot would be very handy
> for file processing. A simple custom program in C would work well. A
> database package could also work. Size and speed of the database index
> structure would be the important thing (it may require and additional meg
> or two). And then some custom programming would still be required.
>
> The other factor is how are you going to power the reader. If it wants
> power from the LX serial port you may have a problem.
>
> Jorge Aguirre Martnez wrote:
>
> > Im working in a project with 200LX, and this project tries to storage
> > 70,000 records in a database and read some bar code in a card (with the
> > bar code reader connected to serial port of 200LX) this data must be
> > find in database. If its, OK, if not, something its wrong, then an
> > alarm sounds.
> > Any idea about this?
> > Thanks a lot.
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Subject:      Typing speed tutor/game

Fyi...
Within the last couple of months I found a game called TYPER by Takeo
Katoh.  I can't remember where I found it.  The files date from
1994/1995 so it's been around a while.  The doc says it is an LX only
program.

Typer challenges you to retype strings of words it displays and scores
you on how fast you type and how much you type correctly.  If you want
to practice building up your typing speed and accuracy on the LX this
is a fun way to do it.

Typer is Freeware according to its Doc.

Cheers...
Russ   (who's slow and needs to practice/play some more)

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     Hi!
     I have been left handed from birth. and yes my 200LX had a crack two
     weeks after purchase.

     Helmut in Colorado

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David Runge@AIRTOUCH
10/14/97 02:54 PM


Hi All,

In the thread on this subject a few months ago, it was suggested that these
hinge cracks were related to the date of manufacture.  The reports seemed
to indicate the units that get the hinge crack the quickest were made
after the 12th week of 1996 due to a weaker or thinner plastic.  Some
reported one could *feel* the difference when pressing on the cases from
different units.

I propose a survey of those that do/do not have the crack:

1.   Model (HP95LX, HP100LX, HP200LX 1mb, 2mb, 4 mb)

2.   Unit Manufacture Date (as indicated by first three numbers in serial
no.)

3.   How many months have you owned the unit?

4.   Purchased new, used or HP Exchange?

5.   How many months after manufacture date was crack first apparent?

- - - - - - - - - - - -

I'll start with my experience:

1.   Model (HP95LX, HP100LX, HP200LX 1mb, 2mb, 4 mb)
     - HP200LX 2mb

2.   Unit Manufacture Date (as indicated by first three numbers in serial
no.)
     - 510 (10th week of 95)

3.   How many months have you owned the unit?
     - 18 mos.

4.   Purchased new, used or HP Exchange?
     - HP Exchange

5.   How many months after manufacture date was crack first apparent?
     - No crack detected (yet)

Hope this helps,

David

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     Hi!
     1. Model HP200LX 4 mb

     2. Manufacture Date  716

     3. Months owned  1.5 months

     4. New.

     5. 2 weeks


     Helmut in Colorado

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>The other problem exists on my machine - I don't know about the
>others.  HP did something interesting to make the routing of
>the memory lines simpler - somehow they contracted Samsung to
>produce a "mirror image" DRAM package.  Basically, all the
>lines are reversed on one of the two packages so that it's VERY
>easy to route signals between them.  Great from their point
>of view - but it makes it pretty difficult for us - those
>mirror image chips wouldn't be available to the public at large.

Just take a normal chip, turn it upside-down, and bend the pins down. You
have now a mirrored version. It's not a good practice, though, to stress
pins that way. They may break quite easily, mostly for tiny SMD packages...

Regards. Nacho.

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Come off it, man.  CE flame is never going to end.  I know
this from expierience -- I've seen Amiga, OS, Apple, and Ford
flame wars and I just don't see it coming to an end any time
soon.

I think what really is happening here is us 200 people are
nauseated by the so-called Palmtop PCs which are, in fact,
glorified pocket organizers with a common proprietary OS.
We get pissed, we forward it to 350 other people who are
also pissed.  It's a one-sided debate here, so it ain't hurting
anything but bandwidth.

Plus, CEs are threatening (or at least hovering ominously over)
the DOS-based palmtop market share -- which means there
might not be a 400LX.

Ian Butler
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
Check the dull homepage at <http://www.caspers.net/ianrb/>

"Damn I'm good." -- Duke Nukem

----------
: Sorry to interfere in this conversation, but I think it would be better
: to stop the joke here...
: I think that you, US guys should thank god that M never had the idea of
: giving a name like WIN UL or anything looking like any other US
: requirements conformity acronym...
:
: More of this, I'm a bit surprise seeing the time spent in this group to
: write (and obviously read) critical reviews of WIN CE. The pro and cons
: are what they are and well known today... So if you're of the ones who
: don't like it, why not just ignoring it... and save energy to valuate
: DOS LX's ?

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Egads.  Yesterday, I found the evil hinge crack of doom.

Believe me, you can't see it unless you know where to look,
and even then it's hard.  (That's assuming the crack is minor.)
David Sergeant (sp?) has a picture on his web page with the
crack area highlighted, for those of you who do not believe.

My beautiful 200 - it hasn't even had its first birthday yet, and
already it's on crack! ;)  All kidding aside, I think this is pretty
darn evil.  Anyone for petitioning HP to recognise it as a problem?
I think it's time.  If you are on this list, you now have a moral
obligation to mail me and tell me about your hinge crack.  I'm good
at technical writing -- I'll come up with a nice formal header along
with all of your names.  Then we can all forward it to HP.

Ian Butler
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
Check the dull homepage at <http://www.caspers.net/ianrb/>

"Damn I'm good." -- Duke Nukem

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: From:    AF P <afp@CRYOGEN.COM>
: One problem is that most people don't see the hinge crack because it's
: too faint.  Look for it, people!  You will almost certainly find it if
: you spend any time  at all opening and closing your 200LX.

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Sounds good to me.  I'm volunteering to write a nice lengthy
letter to PC WORLD on the subject - which means we need
people for Byte, PC Magazine, and whatever other quasi-
journalistic arrogant trash computer magazi. . .

Sorry.  I can't say that for a fact.  But PC WORLD is any-
ways, and it's not palmtops so much as everything else they
write about.  It's written so that nothing ever gets said except
"Our computers, which are infinitely better than yours, make
yours look like trash."

Anyway, as I said in a previous post, I'm good at technical
writing, so I'll whip up something nice and send it to 'em.

More volunteers?

Ian Butler
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: For starters, maybe a campaign to write to the editors of various
magazines by
: representatives
: of the list would be appropriate.  Not mass writings.  But, a few good
quality
: letters submitted
: in the name of the list.
:
: Another suggestion might be to write articles and submit them to various
: publications and post
: them on the Internet.
:
: I encourage any comments on this from the list.

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     Hi!
     Having used the HP320LX for some time I can honestly say it is a piece
     of trash and told the Division Manager that makes our Palmtops and the
     CE trash so. My two biggest things against it is this.

     You can not store any database files on the Flash Disk, CE does not
     recognize the card as a drive but as a folder.

     My new (although cracked) HP200LX not double speed will run circles
     around the 320LX and I proved it.

     There are a lot of others. I use my Palmtop at work. All the
     replacement parts I use are there, where, how many. How do to
     calibration on Wedge and Ball bonders both manual and automatic. Plus
     my check book home inventory Etc. Etc.

     I could not do this things with the 320LX.

     Helmut in Colorado

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I am running the current version of Buddy on my 200LX, and I am using Buddy's application
specific macro capabilities.

When a macro in invoked in an application, Buddy will run the System Macros application and open
the application specific macro file.  However, when I am all done and close that application, I
find that the System Macros application is still open.

QUESTION: Is there any way to set things up so that the System Macros application closes
automatically, after the application specific macro file is loaded?

Thanks,
Michael
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           10/14/97 7:11:21 PM EDT
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Does anyone know when Buddy v3.0C is going to be released?

Thanks,
Michael
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           10/14/97 7:19:50 PM EDT
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Cannot get to the web site.  Is it the right address?
-----Original Message-----
From: David Eggins <deggins@PCUG.ORG.AU>
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Date: Tuesday, October 14, 1997 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: HP Connectivity pack


>For Raymond and others on the list, the web address below details getting
>the connectivity pack working on a Win95 machine.  I have tried it, and it
>works a dream. Thanks Jorgen.  I have been meaning to see if I can get the
>connectivity pack to work on my Windows NT 4.0 machine as well, but haen't
>had the time. I will post details when it is done.
>
>
>http://www.palmtop.mnet~jorgen/tips.htm
>
>
>Also, to Raymond:
>
>
>Your problem with the "Insufficient Resources to load laplink could be
>that you do not have enough conventional memory (the first 640k).  I seem
>to remember getting the same message on my win3.1 486 8mb laptop when the
>PCMCIA drivers where loaded (requiring lots of conventional memory).  I
>made my Config.sys and autoexec.bat boot configurable, and all was solved.
>
>
>David Eggins
>
>Canberra Australia
>
>davee@iname.com
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><snip>
>You can not store any database files on the Flash Disk, CE does not recognize
>the card as a drive but as a folder.
</snip>

This I did not know.  Another reason to trash CE.

><snip>
>My new (although cracked) HP200LX not double speed will run circles around
>the 320LX and I proved it.
</snip>

This I suspected, but having not received my double speeded unit as yet,
I was not sure.

<snip>
>How do to calibration on Wedge and Ball bonders both manual and automatic.
>Plus my check book home inventory Etc. Etc.
</snip>
>
I use mine to align and control radio transmitters, including uploading
the flash software that the transmitters periodically forget to keep in
their flabby memories.  Plus checkbook, software database (everything,
games, tools, etc.) and soon, I hope to do network diagnostic stuff with
it as well.

>Phil

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Is anyone using the NiMH batteries which are available at Radio Shack? If
so, how do they compare to the high-capacity NiCd's from Radio Shack?
Also, if I get a set of these can someone tell me the recomended charging
procedure for them. Thanks for the help!

73 de KF4KGQ
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    **This message was sent via UNIX, PINE and an HP200LX Palmtop PC !!!**

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Survey is a good idea.  I've been perplexed by all this talk of a crack. =

My HPXL 200 has bounced a few times, but no crack, with constant daily us=
e.
 In response to the survey,

1. Model HP200 LX 1 meg

2.  Date of Mfr is 444 (44th week of 1994)

3.  Bought it in December 1994.

4.  Bought new.

5.  No crack.  =

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Check out:

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All this talk about a crack, and I haven't heard anyone say it affects
performance.  I've had my 200 LX since Dec. 1994, and no crack.  And it h=
as
bounced off hard surfaces from 2 feet heights on occasion.  If you need a=

microscope to see it, how bad can it be?

Gordon

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1.   Model HP200LX 2mb
2.   Unit Manufacture Date 50th week of 1994 (S.N. SG45000099)
3.   How many months have you owned the unit?  ~34 months.
4.   Purchased new.
5.   No crack(s) have appeared to date, hinge is still firm enough to
hold the "angle" even when lifting by the screen, however the latch is a
bit "soft".  Carried in jean back pocket _every_ day.

Phil

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Somebody knows if Novell GroupWise run on 200LX palmtop?
I have a CD with client software for DOS.

Thanks in advance
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My response to the survey:
        HP200LX 4MB
        Manufacture date 647 (47th week of 1996)
        Since March, 1997 (about 7 months)
        Purchased new
        Just noticed, because I just looked. It's bad enough that I
suspect I would have noticed something more serious soon.



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At 02:54 PM 10/14/97 -0700, you wrote:
>David Runge@AIRTOUCH
>10/14/97 02:54 PM
>
>1.   Model HP200LX 4mb
>2.   Unit Manufacture Date (701)
>3.   How many months have you owned the unit? 5
>4.   Purchased new, used or HP Exchange? New
>5.   How many months after manufacture date was crack first apparent?
Crack present 971014 - never checked before - not visible to my naked
eye or using a simple hand lens - found it with a 30x microscope.


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Hey Helmut!

Thanks for your input.  May I quote you?  Perhaps in
an article or web page commentary on the HP200LX verus
HP320LX debate?

What helped me decide to buy 200LX was some comparison
one of you guys probably posted on your web site.

When I saw that the HP200LX could run DOS and
the newer version could not , I stopped and reconsidered.

The sales people all said, "You don't want an HP200LX --
that's the older model. "  But after some thought it became
clear to me that the HP200LX was what I wanted.  Still
it was a tough decision.

These postings about the HP200LX versus the WINCE machiine
are valuablet because they may help others decide to
get a HP200LX.  This will help to keep the HP200LX alive and
we will all benefit

When I called HP they said that they would continue to support
the HP200LX because of the active community of users who
really like it.  We need to keep them informed and to inform
the rest of the world as well.

==> The trick is make some of these
postings available to the Internet community -- One way is to
summarize them and send articles and summarizes of posting to
to print magazines; another way we can enlighten others is to
publish comments, editorials, etc on our own web pages and register
these pages so that when people search for information about palmtops
they will find out about the HP200 LX.

My web page is about dance and music, but I am serious considering
adding another page about the 200LX.   What do you think?  Does
it make sense to have some pages in a web be off-the main theme
of the web?  (web=website)

I searched the Internet for info before I bought my palmtop.
That's why I eventually bought a 200 LX.
Whoever it was that posted the detailed comparison of the 200 LX
with the 320LX ---- thanks!

I owe you!



At 05:14 PM 10/14/97 -0600, you wrote:
>     Hi!
>     Having used the HP320LX for some time I can honestly say it is a piece
>     of trash and told the Division Manager that makes our Palmtops and the
>     CE trash so. My two biggest things against it is this.
>
>     You can not store any database files on the Flash Disk, CE does not
>     recognize the card as a drive but as a folder.
>
>     My new (although cracked) HP200LX not double speed will run circles
>     around the 320LX and I proved it.
>
>     There are a lot of others. I use my Palmtop at work. All the
>     replacement parts I use are there, where, how many. How do to
>     calibration on Wedge and Ball bonders both manual and automatic. Plus
>     my check book home inventory Etc. Etc.
>
>     I could not do this things with the 320LX.
>
>     Helmut in Colorado
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Here's my Hinge Crack Survey Info:

1. Model:  HP200LX 1mb
2. Unit Manufacture Date: 426 (26th week of 1996)
3. How many months have you owned the unit? Since Aug. 1994
4. Purchased new, used or HP Exchange? Purchased New
5. How many months after manufacture date was crack first apparent? Sept. 1997
I've put epoxy glue on the crack and its holding fine.



Have a good one!
Owen Samuelson  KU4ET
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I've already written to HP and to Richard Hart who forwarded
by email to Desmond Crisis.  Richard only commented that
they had already done a review of palmtops.  I tried to
stress there are many fine programs  I can run on my 200 LX
that I can't run on the WIMPY machines.

I saw a magazine devoted to DOS about a year or so ago
in a book store in San Mateo.  Some people were smirking at it.
I marveled that such a mag still existed.  Does anyone know what
the name of it is?  Perhaps we could send them an article as well.


At 05:25 PM 10/14/97 PDT, you wrote:
>Sounds good to me.  I'm volunteering to write a nice lengthy
>letter to PC WORLD on the subject - which means we need
>people for Byte, PC Magazine, and whatever other quasi-
>journalistic arrogant trash computer magazi. . .
>
>Sorry.  I can't say that for a fact.  But PC WORLD is any-
>ways, and it's not palmtops so much as everything else they
>write about.  It's written so that nothing ever gets said except
>"Our computers, which are infinitely better than yours, make
>yours look like trash."
>
>Anyway, as I said in a previous post, I'm good at technical
>writing, so I'll whip up something nice and send it to 'em.
>
>More volunteers?
>
>Ian Butler
>Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
>Check the dull homepage at <http://www.caspers.net/ianrb/>
>
>"Damn I'm good." -- Duke Nukem
>
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>magazines by
>: representatives
>: of the list would be appropriate.  Not mass writings.  But, a few good
>quality
>: letters submitted
>: in the name of the list.
>:
>: Another suggestion might be to write articles and submit them to various
>: publications and post
>: them on the Internet.
>:
>: I encourage any comments on this from the list.
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CONGRATULATIONS TO HP FOR INVENTING THE KNUMSCUL OF THE YEAR IN THE
EMBODYMENT OF THE 300LX ET AL.

MAY THEY ENJOY A DROP IN SALES IN THAT AREA OF 100%.

I HOPE THEY GET A NEW CEO BEFORE HP DIES A THOUSAND DEATHS.

HP WAS ONE OF THE LEADERS IN ELECTRONICS SINCE ABOUT 1931. I HAVE A HP
200R AUDIO OSCILLATOR WHICH STILL WORKS AND HEY, NO CRACKED HINGES
EITHER.

TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE REAR END OF A DONKEY AND YOU WILL SEE A GOOD
IMITATION OF SOME OF THE WHEELS AT HP IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

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     Hi!
     First I did not trop my 200LX ever. But when I noticed the crack it
     scared me. The crack would open about an 1/8 inch when I loosed the
     lid. I used super glue. It has been now longer with the super glue
     then with out and no new crack. I sure hope it stays so. I am also
     ready to put a trop of oil in the right hinge to loosen it up a bit
     but that may go to the extreme and the screen wont stay where I want
     it.

     Helmut in Colorado


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All this talk about a crack, and I haven't heard anyone say it affects
performance.  I've had my 200 LX since Dec. 1994, and no crack.  And it has
bounced off hard surfaces from 2 feet heights on occasion.  If you need a
microscope to see it, how bad can it be?

Gordon

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Where is the photo of the crack location?

David

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*Great* subject line! But a slight spelling error... :)

> MAY THEY ENJOY A DROP IN SALES IN THAT AREA OF 100%.

I think you must have meant:
> MAY THEY ENJOY A TROP IN SALES IN THAT AREA OF 100%.
                   


But at least they made the hp95lx, hp100lx and hp200lx ... once upon a time.

And ... I wonder if there are any hp3*0lx users still left on this list?

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David R. Birch wrote:

> Where is the photo of the crack location?

At my web site.
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Chortles Bar-jona wrote:

> > Where is the photo of the crack location?
>
> At my web site.

Chortles Bar-jona wrote:

> > Where is the photo of the crack location?
>
> At my web site.
> --
> Visit the HP200LX site at http://coyote.accessnv.com/davidsa/hp

Hmmm... how on earth did my name get to be "Chortles Bar-Jona?"  In any
case, I've recently updated the page about the crack to clarify its
location (some people were still confused even with the picture).  For
those who wish to jump directly there, it's:
http://coyote.accessnv.com/davidsa/hp/crack.htm
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Hi

1.   Model HP200LX 2mb
2.   Unit Manufacture Date 51st week of 1994 (S.N. SG45105927)
3.   How many months have you owned the unit?  ~20 months.
4.   Purchased new.
5.   This unit replaced my first palmtop that couldn't handle a decent
'getoff' on my mountain bike.  No crack so far!

Shaun from NZ

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Dammit, saw the picture at your site, examined my HP and found whar may
be the first indications.

Bought from NSW 2/97 w/ 6meg total
Serial #: SG64301719

David

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Here's my Hinge Crack survey info:

1.  Model: HP200LX 4mb
2.  Unit Manufacture Date: 649 (49th week of 1996)
3.  Months owned: Since Jan 31, 1997
4.  Purchased the unit new.
5.  Crack first appeared May 30, 1997.  I crazy glued the seam and it appears
to be holding well.

Bill Childers - Computer Consultant
Amateur Radio Callsign: KE6VVW
childers@garlic.com
http://www.garlic.com/~childers
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David R. Birch wrote:

> Dammit, saw the picture at your site, examined my HP and found what may
> be the first indications.

For a long time, I scoffed at the people complaining about the crack.
"Crack?  CRACK?  Ha!  This is a quality HP engineered product!"  Then, when
I figured out what people were talkign about and actually examined the
unit, to my horror, I discovered a the nice sharp trace of a crack, on both
of my palmtops.  Fortunately, they seem relatively minor on mine.  But I
can see how it could easily escalate into a serious structural flaw.

--
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Comments:     Resent-From: PALMTOPS@airgunhq.com
Comments:     Originally-From: jim.henry@airgunhq.com (Jim Henry)
From:         PALMTOPS@AIRGUNHQ.COM
Organization: AirPower Information Services (610) 259-2193
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Gordon,

GY>All this talk about a crack, and I haven't heard anyone say it affects
  >performance.  I've had my 200 LX since Dec. 1994, and no crack.  And it h=
  >as
  >bounced off hard surfaces from 2 feet heights on occasion.  If you need a=

GY>microscope to see it, how bad can it be?

     In my case, the crack in my 100LX eventually turned into total
separation of the top from the hinge on that side.  My Palmtop still
works fine but I had to cement it together there and it looks like
hell.
For the fellow who was taking the survey:

100LX 1mb
manufactured in 13th week of 1994
purchased through exchange about 2 years ago

Jim

  jim@airgunhq.com    jim@airpower.com

 * 1st 2.00 ~ Why doesn't the 1-800 Psychic know my credit card number?

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Hi

1.   Model HP200LX 2mb
2.   25th week of 1994 (S.N. SG42500...)
3.   Since Nov.1994
4.   Purchased new.
5.   No crack(s)  but broken hook of battery case.

-Yuzuru Goto(yuzurugoto@post1.com)
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~kn6y-gtu/
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Philip Seyer wrote:
<snip>
> I saw a magazine devoted to DOS about a year or so ago
> in a book store in San Mateo.  Some people were smirking at it.
> I marveled that such a mag still existed.  Does anyone know what
> the name of it is?  Perhaps we could send them an article as well.

do you mean: DOS WORLD   http://www.dosworld.com
Maybee not as it has now changed its byline to
"The essential guide to Dos & Windows"
and they just discovered Dos web browsers in the Sept 97 issue
cheers
John Shaw
100/2m SG410... no crack   (CE93) NZ New 4/94
200/2m SG430... no crack   (CE94) US New 9/94
200/2m SG702... no crack          NZ New 4/97

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Here is my addition to the survey

1. Model HP200LX 2mb

2. Date of mfr is 426 (26 week of 1994)  They made then well those days

3. Bought 16 August 1994

4. Bought new

5. No crack,  have spilt coffee etc, still working as good as new

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 100LX 2MB 351 May94 New

 Right hinge exploded Dec95 and when I removed the cap I lost the
spring. "Cracked" right down inside the cap enclosure - well, broken
clean through<G>. Crack not visible with cap on. Still used a lot -
have folded Paris buscard in between screen and barrel for friction.
Automatic clutch<G>. Also broken screen latch - still works, supported
by folded cardboard insert.

 200LX 2MB 549 Apr96 Second Hand

 No crack, despite close study having gone to the web page.

 200LX 6MB 627 Apr97 Second Hand

 No crack. Was a bit stiff when I got it. But one squirt of "CRC" in
the right hinge did the trick. Been fine ever since. CRC is probably
oil based so not recommended! It's used for loosening rusty bolts and
starting cars with damp carburettors.

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mdstockr wrote:
> QUESTION:  Does anyone know of an easy way to open the upper case, so that reinforcing
> material can be added in this location?  I was thinking about adding an epoxy paste

"Easy" is a relative term but if you want in - here is a way:
Did I mention back it up first!!
Its safer to take the batteries out in case you short something.

You can open the screen (top case) quite painlessly.
use a thin/broad knife to peel up the screen surround
-its the plastic bit with the logos on around the screen
-its glued down but not too strongly (just push it back down after)
from the screen slip the knife under right to a corner then lift
a little (keep blade flat)
-if it doesnt lift wiggle the blade along to loosten more glue
once you have lifted a corner you can just drag the surround off
-Dont crease it by pulling too fast (or cut it with the knife!)
-Put it in a clean spot (don't get dust on the glue side)
Now you see 4 screws that look like allen key bolts but are NOT
They are Torx#6 (get from electronic component store)
Undo & remove the screws
Pull the hinge cover caps of the left & right hinges
The top case is in 2 pieces that are also held together by little
plastic male/female press fit things approc every inch
Use your flat blade to wiggle them apart
-be careful not to ruin the edge of the join by twisting too much
Once you get all the joints loose the halves are still joined by
the right hinge so you can only open the 2 halves up a little!
-enough to pull the screen unit out (again dust free environment)
I put a spacer between the halves held with a rubberband around the
whole top so I dont accidently force the two halves too far apart

Its a tight squeeze but you can stick down some sort of thin
reinforcing under the crack zone.
-make sure it will fit under the screen unit
Maybe a piece of old style "safety" rasor blade will do it
-you can cut it to shape with scissors

Is there a recommended glue out there?

No Guarantees - It worked OK for me but I used to work in electronic
repair (not that that stops me from breaking things!)

Good luck

John Shaw
HP100/200 hybrid in New Zealand
Questions? 1414lxm@ihug.co.nz

For Davids Picture:
> >Visit the HP200LX site at http://coyote.accessnv.com/davidsa/hp

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mdstockr wrote:
> QUESTION:  Does anyone know of an easy way to open the upper case,
> so that reinforcing material can be added in this location?  I was > thinking about adding an epoxy paste

"Easy" is a relative term but if you want in - here is a way:
Did I mention back it up first!!
Its safer to take the batteries out in case you short something.

You can open the screen (top case) quite painlessly.
use a thin/broad knife to peel up the screen surround
-its the plastic bit with the logos on around the screen
-its glued down but not too strongly (just push it back down after)
from the screen slip the knife under right to a corner then lift
a little (keep blade flat)
-if it doesnt lift wiggle the blade along to loosten more glue
once you have lifted a corner you can just drag the surround off
-Dont crease it by pulling too fast (or cut it with the knife!)
-Put it in a clean spot (don't get dust on the glue side)
Now you see 4 screws that look like allen key bolts but are NOT
They are Torx#6 (get from electronic component store)
Undo & remove the screws
Pull the hinge cover caps of the left & right hinges
The top case is in 2 pieces that are also held together by little
plastic male/female press fit things approc every inch
Use your flat blade to wiggle them apart
-be careful not to ruin the edge of the join by twisting too much
Once you get all the joints loose the halves are still joined by
the right hinge so you can only open the 2 halves up a little!
-enough to pull the screen unit out (again dust free environment)
I put a spacer between the halves held with a rubberband around the
whole top so I dont accidently force the two halves too far apart

Its a tight squeeze but you can stick down some sort of thin
reinforcing under the crack zone.
-make sure it will fit under the screen unit
Maybe a piece of old style "safety" rasor blade will do it
-you can cut it to shape with scissors

Is there a recommended glue out there?

No Guarantees - It worked OK for me but I used to work in electronic
repair (not that that stops me from breaking things!)

Good luck

John Shaw
HP100/200 hybrid in New Zealand
Questions? 1414lxm@ihug.co.nz

For Davids Picture:
> >Visit the HP200LX site at http://coyote.accessnv.com/davidsa/hp

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Hello - and thanks for providing an interesting forum on HP handhelds.
I was feeling quite pleased with my new 320 and thought the way forward
was to join in discussion and debate on this site,  however I feel
almost guilty in admitting to the possession of the dreaded 320. Is
there someone else hiding in here that feels the same or should I wander
off and find a more suitable group?  What do I really like? -
integration with the w95 stuff on my network,  the drag and drop across
machines facility and the general handling.  Not sure about the tappy
screen bit but I'll get used to it but the (so far) incomprehensible
printer support is causing me grief.

However all in all a super piece of kit.  So.....  is there anybody
there?

Regards

Ted

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Scott;
      Please send me a copy of your Radio Database.  Why not send a copy to
Mitch Hamm for inclusion into the SUPER site's database section?

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1. Model HP200LX 4MB
2. Unit Manufacturing Date : 649 (49th week of 96)
3. Owned : 6 month
4. Purchased new
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Here's my DOSware, based on frequency of use & category:
UTILITIES
        calvin          tiny vi editor          (avail SUPER)
        wced            command line file completion
        grep            pattern search through multiple files
        zip             PC-PC file transfer program     (SUPER)
        pkunzip         unzip *.zip files
        tex             serious typesetter...just looking so far...
PROGRAMMING
        turbo C compiler & make
        awk             interpreted text processing language    (SUPER)
        thread          on-line C help (don't use much anymore)
CALVIN
        vcursor         Rudi's assembly magic
        fmt             format text (pipe from calvin)
        wc              word count
        cal             floating point calculator
MUSIC
        lxmidi          plays midi through PC speaker   (avail SUPER)
        gsplay          plays midi through serial port
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Brendan Macmillan                               Give me DOS or give me death!
bren@cs.monash.edu.au                           (with apologies to Ted Stead)

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> ...I feel almost guilty in admitting to the possession of the dreaded 320.
And so you should! ;)

No, it's just that HP has abandoned the 95, 100, 200 for the 300, 320 :_(

If it turns out that all the 320lx owners have been scared off by our
rabid ranting chantings of:-
        Give me DOS or give me death,
        Give me DOS or give me death,
...the palmtop newsgroup has a fair bit of WinCE stuff in it.


But I'm wondering if you know whether WinCE 2.0 has the promised JAVA?
Now THAT would be cool.


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It will be visible some day and after this you will really feel bad while opening your little baby, believe me !
So it's definitely more than only a small fault.

FRAX
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All this talk about a crack, and I haven't heard anyone say it affects
performance.  I've had my 200 LX since Dec. 1994, and no crack.  And it h=
as
bounced off hard surfaces from 2 feet heights on occasion.  If you need a=

microscope to see it, how bad can it be?

Gordon

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ZDNet has just published a very interesting article about why you should NOT buy a WinCE unit
today at:

    http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/story/story_1354.html

Also, they are offering an opportunity for readers to provide feedback about what their ideal
palmtop would be.  They also state that they will publish some of the better responses.

THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERY ONE ON THE LIST TO JUMP IN AND PROMOTE THE 200LX!!!

Just think if everyone on the list replied and stated how there is a great palmtop available
today, the 200LX, and why!!!

In order to help make sure that your responses are published, my I suggest that we be positive,
not focus on the faults of WinCE (the article has already taken care of that), and promote the
200LX in a positive way.

Let's everyone jump in a take advantage of this opportunity while it's available.
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Is it possible to show appointments in six-month calendar?

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   >But I'm wondering if you know whether WinCE 2.0 has the promised JAVA?
   >Now THAT would be cool

Don't about that yet - but I've sent for my free upgrade ROM

Ted

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And the award goes to BOYD S. MINER who wrote:

> CONGRATULATIONS TO HP FOR INVENTING THE KNUMSCUL OF THE YEAR IN THE
> EMBODYMENT OF THE 300LX ET AL.
>
> MAY THEY ENJOY A DROP IN SALES IN THAT AREA OF 100%.
>
> I HOPE THEY GET A NEW CEO BEFORE HP DIES A THOUSAND DEATHS.
>
> HP WAS ONE OF THE LEADERS IN ELECTRONICS SINCE ABOUT 1931. I HAVE A HP
> 200R AUDIO OSCILLATOR WHICH STILL WORKS AND HEY, NO CRACKED HINGES
> EITHER.
>
> TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE REAR END OF A DONKEY AND YOU WILL SEE A GOOD
> IMITATION OF SOME OF THE WHEELS AT HP IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
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> SPENCE K4KEP
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I have a crack to, found it about a month ago. I used super glue to fix =
it and it seems to work well. I thought I was the only one until all =
this started. My SN# is SG42902593 so it's fairly old. I hope we can get =
a fix to this because I just ordered a 2X8 from Thaddeus last Friday but =
its going to take 2 weeks to get here :(  Anyway put me on your list.=20

Glen Bergs
DNB Computer Tech services
Atlanta GA

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Anyone for petitioning HP to recognise it as a problem?
I think it's time.  If you are on this list, you now have a moral
obligation to mail me and tell me about your hinge crack.  I'm good
at technical writing -- I'll come up with a nice formal header along
with all of your names.  Then we can all forward it to HP.

Ian Butler
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
Check the dull homepage at <http://www.caspers.net/ianrb/>

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1.   Model (HP95LX, HP100LX, HP200LX 1mb, 2mb, 4 mb)
     - HP200LX 4mb

2.   Unit Manufacture Date (as indicated by first three numbers in
serial
no.)
     - 646 (46th week of 96)

3.   How many months have you owned the unit?
     - 09 mos.

4.   Purchased new, used or HP Exchange?
     - New

5.   How many months after manufacture date was crack first apparent?
     - No crack detected (yet)

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On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Brendan Macmillan wrote:

> Here's my DOSware, based on frequency of use & category:
> UTILITIES
>         calvin          tiny vi editor          (avail SUPER)
>         wced            command line file completion
>         grep            pattern search through multiple files
>         zip             PC-PC file transfer program     (SUPER)
>         pkunzip         unzip *.zip files
>         tex             serious typesetter...just looking so far...
I've been trying to find wced, and I can't.  Does anyone know where I can
find it?

ObRecommendation: A lot of utilities you mention can be replaced by perl.
Perl takes up a lot of space, but you can write one-line commands to do
grep, wc, tr, and almost any other text processing function.


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I know everyone's gripe on the list about Windows CE is either
directed at Microsoft dominance but my gripe with Windows CE (and HP
in particular) has four parts:

1) Why does everyone use the touchscreen? What you get are palmtops
that exasperate the biggest single problem with palmtops: screen
glare. I think the WinCE makers who are starting to make color screens
try a non-touchscreen but some sort of touchpad under the keyboard.

2) Why would HP whose palmtops are mainly used by people in scientific
and financial fields make a palmtop with without a numeric keypad?
Sure I know if you survey ALL users you will find that most people
don't need the numeric keypad but HP users are a special breed. The
fact is that my HP200 LX if the one of the best financial calculators
that I can buy which leads to question 3...

3) Why doesn't HP port over its wonderful calculator to the 300
series? Instead we get a mediocre calculator. I don't want to give up
my wonderful calculator. I know someday somebody will make a better
calculator for the CE so I know this problem is just temporary.

4) I'm sorry but until some good flat-file database is available, I
won't even consider moving to Win CE. If InfoSelect was available for
the WinCE, I'd seriously think about going CE.

BTW, I'd like to thank all the people (and especially Tom Hoover) who
helped me find my database solution, InfoSelect. I'm now a proud user.
The only thing I don't like about it is its memory constraints but I
can live with that. Hopefully someday either a good Windows Palmtop
will be made or Micro Logic will port this puppy to CE land.


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Beavercreek (Dayton), OH USA
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Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - G. Marx





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1. Model HP200LX 2MB
2. Manufacture data 9th week of 1995 (SN SG50904718)
3. Owned about 6 months.
4. Purchased used.
5. No crack(s). Hinge works fine. Open about, say,  6 times a day
average.
   Opened case one time to install speed and RAM upgrade.
6. I carry it loose in my bag.

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On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Helmut Grossinger wrote:

>      First I did not trop my 200LX ever. But when I noticed the crack it
>      scared me. The crack would open about an 1/8 inch when I loosed the
>      lid. I used super glue. It has been now longer with the super glue
>      then with out and no new crack. I sure hope it stays so. I am also

I did the same with both of my 200LX's which developed cracks (used
superglue). Both held up fine afterwards (knock on wood).

I haven't seen any postings of people who repaired cracks only to see it
happen again. I wonder if the initial crack relieved the stress sufficient
to prevent its recurrence (any experiences otherwise?)

For what it's worth to the newly aggrieved (just found your crack). I'm
all thumbs with repairs, but a careful drop of superglue with a pin to
manipulate the glue and some tissue to blot the excess was all I needed to
make a decent fix. "Careful" is the operative word.

- Longden

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I have a HP LX200, 320 and sharp wizards before that. I also tryed =
Casio's CE but have gone back to the HP LX200. It gets used far more =
then my desktop PC. My HPC would be:

1. A little smaller then the CE so I can get it in a front pocket and =
still sit down. No I don't wear a suit.
2. WinCE is fine but it MUST!! HAVE A DOS PROMPT!! I don't know what =
they were thinking when they left that out.
3. Use a X86 CPU. I see I may get my wish on this one.
4. The screen should be as large as possible and have a good back light. =
The HP LX320 is good but it needs more contrast.
5. Use both PCMCIA and compact PCMCIA cards.
6. Sell Interchangeable snap in keyboards as an option so if I need a =
num pad I snap it in. If I want all the keys like the lx 200 I snap it =
in etc. etc.
7. Run on 2 AA's for days not minutes with a modem.
8. I need a visual database so I can set it up the way I work and have =
the fields I use. I also need to perform simple math functions +-/* on =
the fields.
9. Be able to print! without taking 10min to port it to my desktop.
10. Be fast, not wait 1,2,3,4 I have my data.
11. Built like a tank. This is a portable tool it is going to hit the =
floor a few times, things happen.=20
12. Have a express exchange program. I give you my Visa# you send me a =
new unit I move my data over, send the old one back and you credit my =
card.

Someone, Anyone put this together and I'll be the first to plunk down =
another $500.00

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I have a HP LX200, 320 and sharp wizards before that. I also tryed =
Casio's CE but have gone back to the HP LX200. It gets used far more =
then my desktop PC. My HPC would be:

1. A little smaller then the CE so I can get it in a front pocket and =
still sit down. No I don't wear a suit.
2. WinCE is fine but it MUST!! HAVE A DOS PROMPT!! I don't know what =
they were thinking when they left that out.
3. Use a X86 CPU. I see I may get my wish on this one.
4. The screen should be as large as possible and have a good back light. =
The HP LX320 is good but it needs more contrast.
5. Use both PCMCIA and compact PCMCIA cards.
6. Sell Interchangeable snap in keyboards as an option so if I need a =
num pad I snap it in. If I want all the keys like the lx 200 I snap it =
in etc. etc.
7. Run on 2 AA's for days not minutes with a modem.
8. I need a visual database so I can set it up the way I work and have =
the fields I use. I also need to perform simple math functions +-/* on =
the fields.
9. Be able to print! without taking 10min to port it to my desktop.
10. Be fast, not wait 1,2,3,4 I have my data.
11. Built like a tank. This is a portable tool it is going to hit the =
floor a few times, things happen.=20
12. Have a express exchange program. I give you my Visa# you send me a =
new unit I move my data over, send the old one back and you credit my =
card.

Someone, Anyone put this together and I'll be the first to plunk down =
another $500.00
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Owen Samuelson wrote:
>
> Here's my Hinge Crack Survey Info:
>
> 1. Model:  HP200LX 1mb
> 2. Unit Manufacture Date: 426 (26th week of 1996)
> 3. How many months have you owned the unit? Since Aug. 1994
> 4. Purchased new, used or HP Exchange? Purchased New
> 5. How many months after manufacture date was crack first apparent? Sept. 1997
> I've put epoxy glue on the crack and its holding fine.
>
>Here's my Hinge crack survey info:
  1. Model: HP 200LX 4 mb
  2. Unit Manufacture Date: 648 (48th week of 1996)
  3. Owned unit since Feb. 1997
  4. Purchased new from Educalc as soon as they got them in Febuary 1997
> 5. Noticed crack in October (and I had been checking regularly since following this list. I called hp and got an express exchange unit (BTW exchange unit is 646, made about the same time, but exchange unit has looser hinge so I don't think it will crack (hope?)
The unit I bought new was extremely stiff to open, so I was careful but
it happened anyway.
>

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> I've tried it in every possible configuration, including a
> no-config-files bootup.  Same result.  But it might be a problem =
on
> this end, because I also am having trouble with the DNS in HV.

What is the problem you have with DNS?

Andreas D&A

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Sorry Andre and others, I copied that address out of a database, not only
was the wrong one, but it has a typo.


The correct address is: (I Checked this time!)


http://www.palmtop.net/~jorgen/w95.htm


>Cannot get to the web site.  Is it the right address?

>

><SNIP>

>

>>For Raymond and others on the list, the web address below >details
getting

>>the connectivity pack working on a Win95 machine

>

><SNIP>

>>

>>http://www.palmtop.mnet~jorgen/tips.htm

David Eggins
Canberra Australia
davee@iname.com

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Hello Jez,


If you send the excel file to me, I will convert it to text, and GDB, and
send them for inclusion in the super site.


Thanks

David Eggins

Canberra Australia

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On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Toshiki Sasabe wrote


<Snip>


>Let me correct basic things.  LXBAR is not a barcode reader.

>It is a barcode "viewer", which displays the barcode of the

>string you enter.


My mistake.  On the same topic, is it even remotely possible to use the IR
on the LX to scan bar codes?  or am I just dreaming here :)


David Eggins

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On Sun, 12 Oct 1997, Domingo Diaz-Vazquez wrote:

> On 1997-10-03 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddv*teach*@digita
> l.net
>    >In the case of Laplink (on the LX), I believe the
>    >instructions for using it specifically indicates that the
>    >files on the D: drive for Laplink should be transferred to
>    >the desktop/laptop.
>    >I don't have my manual in front of me for the usual page
>    >references, but if I find out otherwise (when I get back to
>    >work next week), I'll let y'all know.
>    >- Longden
>
>      I checked the manual (page 30-1), and it only mentions
>      the Connectivy pack, CommWorks, and Laplink Remote on
>      Omnibooks.  Maybe I missed something (the manual is too
>      big anyway.  (=8 )

My apologies, the information was in the 200LX FAQ (at least in the old
one I had dated 12/20/95). I know it's normally in bad taste to quote the
FAQ, but this seems to be information that many don't know about and
there may be some confusion as to the location of the current FAQ. Keep
in mind these instructions pre-dated Win-95:

200LX users may take advantage of the built-in LapLink Remote
software in the HP's ROM.  A brief sketch of how to do this is:
1. Add the following line to your Palmtop's AUTOEXEC.BAT before
   sysmgr is started.
      CALL D:\BIN\LLRAS.BAT
   Then reboot your palmtop.
2. Copy the following files from D:\BIN on the 200LX to a directory
   on the PC (use the built-in datacomm application and a terminal
   emulator, or any other method you choose).
      LLRA.BAT
      LLRA1.EXE
      LLRA2.EXE
      LLRA3.EXE
      LLRA4.EXE
      TSI.INI
3. Edit the TSI.INI file on your PC as follows:
     In general, change ComputerName= to something else (eg desktop)
     In Redirector, change Enabled= to Yes.
4. Edit the LLRA.BAT file on your PC, changing all file paths from
   D:\BIN to the PC directory you copied them to in step 2.
5. With the PC and palmtop connected via serial cable, enter the
   AppMgr on the palmtop and start the LapLink Remote Access program.
6. On the PC, change to the directory where you copied the LapLink
   files, and type "LLRA".  In a few seconds you should hear beeps
   from both the PC and palmtop indicating that a connection has
   been made.
7. On the PC, type "LLRA /M" to display the drive mapping.
8. To Unload LapLink from the PC, type "LLRA /U".

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Hi folks-

A few weeks ago there was some discussion about ACE products
(including Magnify) here on the list. Heard from Avi at D&A Software
about this, so I'll try to clarify the ownership of Magnify. (I had
said that it is "marketed by Shier...").

        1 Magnify is owned by its author Craig Payne
        2 D&A has worldwide marketing rights to Magnify
        3 It is now up to version 1.5

For more information check with D&A or Shier. (Shier advertises this=
 in
the Palmtop Paper)

I'm no lawyer - my eyes glaze over and I can feel frost forming on my
remaining grey cells whenever I try to read legalese, so I hope the
info is right this time...

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Are you all sure your cracks aren't the little line generated from
injection-molding of plastic parts?  (I.e. that's the only mark I have
after 1.5 years and 3 drops to concrete, 1994 model).
J
PS: Oh, regarding the 3x flash cards. I will email the guy from Microstore
back with the 150ma manual quote... Maybe he was thinking 12V vs 5V?

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Howdy,

I've been a list lurker for a few weeks now and I haven't seen this
discussed.

Are there any utilities to backup my 200LX-4MB to my Unix machine?

E. Chad Bearden
ebeard@compuserve.com

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The weird thing for me is that although my HP100LX has been with me
longer than my IBM TP760ELD, it's the laptop which developed the
right hinge crack earlier. I just discovered it a few days ago; very
painful to my heart. Any suggestions to fix it? TIA.

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On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:17:22,
        mdstockr <mdstockr@NEO.LRUN.COM> Wrote:

> Since HP has abandoned all marketing efforts, I was wondering
> if owners on this list would think
> it worth while to make an effort to promote the 200LX
> ourselves?

"My Official HPLX-L Owner's Opinion" <g>

I would certianly encourage all members to continue to support the
HP DOS/LX series machines in any venue they can. This could include
convincing your companys management to use LXs in the field, writing
letters, editorials, etc... to periodicals & "Web Magazines", and I
suppose contacting HP itself. I have chosen to voice my support by
managing this list.

It may seem that HP may be on a mission to "deep-six" the DOS/LX series
in favour of "new technology", as long as the customer base is strong,
and or growing, they will continue to produce.

Cheers,



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On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:41:56,
        Stan Peters <speters@KDSI.NET> wrote:

> When you are replying to a message, please take a moment
> to cut out some of the irrelevant stuff...

AMEN!

I have limited space on my server for the archives of this LIST. The
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On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Chad Bearden wrote:

> I've been a list lurker for a few weeks now and I haven't seen this
> discussed.
>
> Are there any utilities to backup my 200LX-4MB to my Unix machine?

Try http://www.palmtop.net/super.html and look for LX TOOLS and LX
Fileman.

You can also use any datacomm program with zmodem.  You may also want to
get a dos-version of tar for your palmtop if you're going to do that,
though.
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>
> Hi Jay:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:12:11, You wrote:
> > Me too!  (Heh heh...;)
> Did you get a copy, or do you still need it? Let me know.
> As to abandonware or not, its your FTP site, your call...
> Cheers,

Hi!  I didn't get it yet, so if you can send it to me that'd be
great.  You can either ftp it to teklab or just send it to me
by mail as an attachment... either one works for me.

Thanks for your help!

j.

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1.  HP200Lx 2MB
2.  46th wk of 94 (SG44604939)
3.  since Dec 95
4.  purchased new
5.  no cracks. Hinge holding well despite dropping a few times.


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> From: Morgan, Richard <rmorgan@BTG.COM>
> To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
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> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 8:55 PM
>
> Richard
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Richard R. Morgan                       phone: 703-383-8708
> BTG, Inc.                                               Fax:
>  703-383-4130
> TS/MIS - Dispatch-1                      email:rmorgan@btg.com
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>
>
>
> 1.   Model (HP95LX, HP100LX, HP200LX 1mb, 2mb, 4 mb)
>      - HP200LX 4mb
>
> 2.   Unit Manufacture Date (as indicated by first three numbers in
> serial
> no.)
>      - 646 (46th week of 96)
>
> 3.   How many months have you owned the unit?
>      - 09 mos.
>
> 4.   Purchased new, used or HP Exchange?
>      - New
>
> 5.   How many months after manufacture date was crack first apparent?
>      - No crack detected (yet)
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Is it possible to stack my RAM in the 200lx?

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David Runge@AIRTOUCH
10/15/97 11:34 AM


Hi All,

I've received about 26 replies so far covering approx 30 palmtops.

*** I encourage even those without the crack to reply ***

I suggest you all Email me directly (off the list).

Also, based on the replies, I'd like to add a couple items.  Revised
survey:

1.   Model (HP95LX, HP100LX, HP200LX 1mb, 2mb, 4 mb)
2.   Unit Manufacture Date (as indicated by first three *numbers* in serial
no.)
3.   How many months have you owned the unit?
4.   Purchased new, used or HP Exchange?
5.   How many months after manufacture date was crack first apparent (or NO
CRACK)?
6.   How often do you estimate the screen is opened per day?

7.   Any comments about accidents or how the palmtop was stored.  Any
compression of the plastic case?  Where do you keep it when not in use?  A
custom soft case?  Briefcase?  Pocket?

After about a week I'll tally the responses and report back the results to
the LIST.  Perhaps the results could be posted to a web page as well.
Maybe David Sargeant will do so at
http://coyote.accessnv.com/davidsa/hp/crack.htm??   David's page has a
photo and description of the location of the crack.  Please take a good
look before replying as some people find that the crack is difficult to
see.

Thanks,
David Runge

Please reply to David.Runge@zool.AirTouch.COM.

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To All LXers

I may be missing something here, but judging by the large number of
laptops/notebooks/palmtops out there, how hard can it be for some
pipsqueak, upstart company to simply develop an upgraded version of the
200LX? Except for the patents, how hard would it be? The technology is
years old already, so any improvement at all would be easy enough to
make.

It seems to me that the hardest part of it all would be to design and
have made (in Japan or Singapore or Malaysia) an esthetic, durable,
bulletproof case. Except for IBMs, I haven't seen many American
companies do well with this kind of thing. With the miniaturization
available today, it could even have a larger battery, internal 56K
modem, lots and lots of (cheap) memory, unpluggable parts of everything
that might be improved or changed later, lots of ports to communicate
with the outside world, etc.

        The thing to do would be to find out who develops things like this, put
it to them properly, and start an alternative movement to Bill Gate's
monopoly. The base is already there, but is fading. (Those who know,
love, and are comfortable with dos)

        Even if it never came off as a popular machine, it could come off as
the "Cult Alternative" for those who refuse to be put to sleep by crass
commercialism for the sleeping masses.

        And with a little market surveying done properly it might even start a
resurgence of the smart man's computer instead of the appliance
operators we are getting now.

Bob Aldrich
Los Angeles

Al Kind wrote:

> > Since HP has abandoned all marketing efforts, I was wondering
> > if owners on this list would think
> > it worth while to make an effort to promote the 200LX
> > ourselves?
>
> "My Official HPLX-L Owner's Opinion" <g>
>
> I would certianly encourage all members to continue to support the
> HP DOS/LX series machines in any venue they can. This could include
> convincing your companys management to use LXs in the field, writing
> letters, editorials, etc... to periodicals & "Web Magazines", and I
> suppose contacting HP itself. I have chosen to voice my support by
> managing this list.
>
> It may seem that HP may be on a mission to "deep-six" the DOS/LX series
> in favour of "new technology", as long as the customer base is strong,
> and or growing, they will continue to produce.
>
> Cheers,

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To Survey Guy,

I have two 200 LX's, both '94's and neither has a crack. One has a
floppy hinge, the other no.

Bob Aldrich
Los Angeles

Gordon Pavy wrote:
>
> Survey is a good idea.  I've been perplexed by all this talk of a crack.
> My HPXL 200 has bounced a few times, but no crack, with constant daily use.
>  In response to the survey,
>
> 1. Model HP200 LX 1 meg
>
> 2.  Date of Mfr is 444 (44th week of 1994)
>
> 3.  Bought it in December 1994.
>
> 4.  Bought new.
>
> 5.  No crack.
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1. HP200LX
2. SG60601329 (unsure how to decode this :( )
3. since Nov 96
4. purchased used
5. No cracks, hinge is still nice and tight.

73 de KF4KGQ
Jeff Johns
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    **This message was sent via UNIX, PINE and an HP200LX Palmtop PC !!!**

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David Runge@AIRTOUCH
10/15/97 12:08 PM


Hi All,

Forgot one item that seems to be a big factor... the stiffness/looseness of
the hinge.

1.   Model (HP95LX, HP100LX, HP200LX 1mb, 2mb, 4 mb)
2.   Unit Manufacture Date (as indicated by first 3 *numbers* in serial
no.)
3.   How many months have you owned the unit?
4.   Purchased new, used or HP Exchange?
5.   How many mos. after manufacture date was crack first apparent (or NO
CRACK)?
6.   How often do you estimate the screen is opened per day?
7.   Any comments about accidents or how the palmtop was stored.  Any
compression of the plastic case?  Where do you keep it when not in use?  A
custom soft case?  Briefcase?  Pocket?
8.  On a scale of 1 to 5, how stiff is the hinge?

     1 - The hinge so loose the screen easily falls.
     2 - With unit on table, screen at 135 degree angle, finger pressure to
top edge of screen opens shell without base moving.
     3 - Shell open at 90 degrees, pick up unit by screen top, with a
moderate shake downward, shell opens further.
     4 - Same as 3, but shell barely moves even with a very sharp downward
shake.
     5 - Same as 3, but shell doesn't move even with a very sharp downward
shake.  (So stiff you are afraid the plastic will break even without the
crack.)

Again, send replies directly to me off the LIST.

Thanks,

David Runge

David.Runge@zool.AirTouch.COM

P.S.  I'd say my 96 10th week HP200LX is a 4 in stiffness.  And my 95 10th
week is a 4 too but slightly siffer.  Both are HP Express units with no
crack - yet.

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On Tue, Oct 14, 1997 at 02:54:37PM -0700, David.Runge@ZOOL.AIRTOUCH.COM wrote:
1.  HP200 2mb
2.  SG631
3.  5
4.  new
5.  No crack.

jaime
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jviehweg@lucent.com  |  Globeview 2000 Lab Support

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My unit:
HP200lx 1 meg
Manufacture date 444xxxxx (44th wk of 1994)
Purchased new in March, 1995

Just noticed after seeing picture posted.  Didn't know where to look
before.  Small crack, naked eye visible (about .5 inch long).  But....
with the crack on this surface, it's aggravated by closing not opening.
Opening the unit tends to press the crack together.  Be gentle when you
close your unit

Thanks for pointing out where to look.

John Jarosz

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Ted Stead wrote:
>
> Hello - and thanks for providing an interesting forum on HP handhelds.
> I was feeling quite pleased with my new 320 and thought the way forward
> was to join in discussion and debate on this site,  however I feel
> almost guilty in admitting to the possession of the dreaded 320.
> Regards > Ted

no problem, you may also wish to join the CE list
 <mailto:windowsce-talk@windowsce.com?subject=subscribe>
The difference in attitudes on that list are interesting

Cheers
John

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No
--- On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:08:15 +0800  Raymond Li <rayli@HK.SUPER.NET> wrote:

>Is it possible to show appointments in six-month calendar?
>
-----------------End of Original Message-----------------

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Anyone have any useful comments on the viability of the Psion P5 as a w=
orthy
upgrade to the trusty 200LX?

P5:
+ Backlighting
+ Fast cpu (RISK)
+ Also lots of s/w
- Non DOS
+ Good keyboard
+ Good email/net connectivity
+ Good interface to WinXXX platform
- No pcmcia internal modem
+ Pen interface
:
:

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Here's my addition to this list

: UTILITIES
+        pcteco TECO text editor (well, text mutilator ;)
+        evp            Envision Publisher wysayg publishing program
+        4dos   4DOS 5.51 command interpreter
: PROGRAMMING
+        c-intercal     A nice INTERCAL to C translator
: MUSIC
+        vmusic plays 3-voice polyphonic music (_old_ program)
+ GAMES
+        zzt            ZZT 3.0 - available via www.epicgames.com
+       keen4c  Commander Keen 4 CGA (available on request)

Ian Butler
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
Check the dull homepage at <http://www.caspers.net/ianrb/>

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Yes, as I was about to post, please look at the picture and examine=
 the
area carefully before you send a message saying you don't have the
crack.  It's hard to see unless you know where to look.  When the
results are in I'll be glad to post them at my site.

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If you have any space, like on a flash card, Pkzip v.2.04 will
gather in files allowing @filename and directory recurse. A data
compatible
unzip is available on Unix. Of course, with a flash card, might not
need Unix. And I think Pkzip allows to refresh the zip for new files
only.

Chad Bearden wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> Are there any utilities to backup my 200LX-4MB to my Unix machine?
>
> E. Chad Bearden
> ebeard@compuserve.com

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Speaking of DOS software, I recently installed a utility called Diskmon
from Norton Utilities.  It displays a drive letter in the upper right
corner of the screen, and an arrow indicating read/write status.  It's
nice to see when the 200LX is accessing a disk.  The utility is about
50K but the light function only takes up 9k as a TSR.

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Ashton Tate had a nice DOS dbm called Rapid File. - Yesterday I found m=
y old
disks
but there must be a corruption, because starting RF.COM just hangs. I h=
ave
tried this
on both the LX and a 486 and a Pentium laptop in native DOS, Win95 and =
OS/2

Q1: Anyone heard of Rapid File?
Q2: Anyone HAS this?
Q3: Comments...

Regards,
Paul Szilard
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HP>Anyone have any useful comments on the viability of the Psion P5 as a worthy
HP>upgrade to the trusty 200LX?

I've tested the PSION P5 on the last COMDEX conference, here, in
argentina, the keyboard is GREAT !!!!

But, no DOS.... only software only designed for PSION... :(

HP>P5:
HP>+ Backlighting
HP>+ Fast cpu (RISK)
HP>+ Also lots of s/w
HP>- Non DOS
HP>+ Good keyboard
HP>+ Good email/net connectivity
HP>+ Good interface to WinXXX platform
HP>- No pcmcia internal modem
HP>+ Pen interface
HP>:
HP>:

HP>Regards,
HP>Paul Szilard

   Martin
   marseb@giga.com.ar

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I too have received mine last Saturday, 4 Oct.

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I would like to nominate:

UTILITIES:
   XTREE GOLD
   VCLOCK
   HOTCODE (Australian Post Codes - Shareware)

APPS:
   PCO PC Outline
   WORD 5.5

GAMES:
  MFG Many Faces of GO

I am not including the HP/LX specific programs, whith which I assume yo=
u are
all familiar!

Regards,
Paul Szilard
IBM Global Services  Australia, Lotus Notes Administration: Asia Pacifi=
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Could you email me a copy of the Diskmon utility? Thanks in advance!

73 de KF4KGQ
Jeff Johns
jeffj@scott.net

    **This message was sent via UNIX, PINE and an HP200LX Palmtop PC !!!**

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     You better don't say any thing bad about CE.

     Helmut in Colorado


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Ted Stead wrote:
>
> Hello - and thanks for providing an interesting forum on HP handhelds.
> I was feeling quite pleased with my new 320 and thought the way forward
> was to join in discussion and debate on this site,  however I feel
> almost guilty in admitting to the possession of the dreaded 320.
> Regards > Ted

no problem, you may also wish to join the CE list
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The difference in attitudes on that list are interesting

Cheers
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     Hi!
     Yes, but I think you should have more then 2 mb.

     Helmut in Colorado


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Is it possible to stack my RAM in the 200lx?

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     Sure glad H-P still gives me l o t s of storage space


     Helmut in Colorado

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     Roger that.


     Helmut in Colorado


     P.S.: That is Military lingo.


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On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Helmut Grossinger wrote:

>      First I did not trop my 200LX ever. But when I noticed the crack it
>      scared me. The crack would open about an 1/8 inch when I loosed the
>      lid. I used super glue. It has been now longer with the super glue
>      then with out and no new crack. I sure hope it stays so. I am also

I did the same with both of my 200LX's which developed cracks (used
superglue). Both held up fine afterwards (knock on wood).

I haven't seen any postings of people who repaired cracks only to see it
happen again. I wonder if the initial crack relieved the stress sufficient
to prevent its recurrence (any experiences otherwise?)

For what it's worth to the newly aggrieved (just found your crack). I'm
all thumbs with repairs, but a careful drop of superglue with a pin to
manipulate the glue and some tissue to blot the excess was all I needed to
make a decent fix. "Careful" is the operative word.

- Longden

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     Hi!
     You forgot the biggest gripe about WinCE. You can NOT store Any data
     base files on the Flash card. I have said this before, I have three
     (3) 20mb Falsh cards, stacked. 2/3 of the space is used up by some
     sort of data base files. That is why I returned mine to my employer
     H-P.


     Helmut in Colorado


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I know everyone's gripe on the list about Windows CE is either
directed at Microsoft dominance but my gripe with Windows CE (and HP
in particular) has four parts:

1) Why does everyone use the touchscreen? What you get are palmtops
that exasperate the biggest single problem with palmtops: screen
glare. I think the WinCE makers who are starting to make color screens
try a non-touchscreen but some sort of touchpad under the keyboard.

2) Why would HP whose palmtops are mainly used by people in scientific
and financial fields make a palmtop with without a numeric keypad?
Sure I know if you survey ALL users you will find that most people
don't need the numeric keypad but HP users are a special breed. The
fact is that my HP200 LX if the one of the best financial calculators
that I can buy which leads to question 3...

3) Why doesn't HP port over its wonderful calculator to the 300
series? Instead we get a mediocre calculator. I don't want to give up
my wonderful calculator. I know someday somebody will make a better
calculator for the CE so I know this problem is just temporary.

4) I'm sorry but until some good flat-file database is available, I
won't even consider moving to Win CE. If InfoSelect was available for
the WinCE, I'd seriously think about going CE.

BTW, I'd like to thank all the people (and especially Tom Hoover) who
helped me find my database solution, InfoSelect. I'm now a proud user.
The only thing I don't like about it is its memory constraints but I
can live with that. Hopefully someday either a good Windows Palmtop
will be made or Micro Logic will port this puppy to CE land.


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Dave Hart (hartd@poboxes.com)
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Have been reading comments regarding "the crack" for some months now and
felt very smug that mine didn't have it.  Then I visited the site showing
the location of "the crack" and lo and behold when looked for, I've got the
crack!!  Mine is very small and difficult to see but I'm sure that it will
get larger.

 In response to the survey,

1. Model HP200 LX 4 meg

2.  Date of Mfr is 701 (1st week of 1997)

3.  Bought it in March 1997

4.  Bought new.

5.  Cracked!

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     Hi!
     I did.

     Helmut in Colorado

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1. HP200 2mb
2. SG429
3. Since Aug 94
4. Purchased new
5. No cracks.  The screen does stay in the angle your put it in all of
the time, although putting a thick rubberband in the left hing crack
helps.
I abuse this thing regulary.  I usually cary it around in the back
pocket of my jeans.  I have probably sat on it over 40 times.  The
corners are worn down and shiny from going in and out of my back
pocket.  Dropped it many times, including one from the top of a phone
booth.  That time, it just broke the latch, no big deal.

Best built computer I have ever seen!


Doug

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The survey says...

1. Model: HP200LX 1 mb

2. Manufacture Date: 543

3. Months owned: app. 21

 4. Purchased new

 5. Crack developed: Never


Sean D. Hoger
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Glen Bergs wrote:
>
> I have a HP LX200, 320 and sharp wizards before that. I also tryed Casio's CE but have gone back to the HP LX200. It gets used far more then my desktop PC. My HPC would be:
>
> 1. A little smaller then the CE so I can get it in a front pocket and still sit down. No I don't wear a suit.
> 2. WinCE is fine but it MUST!! HAVE A DOS PROMPT!! I don't know what they were thinking when they left that out.
> 3. Use a X86 CPU. I see I may get my wish on this one.
> 4. The screen should be as large as possible and have a good back light. The HP LX320 is good but it needs more contrast.
> 5. Use both PCMCIA and compact PCMCIA cards.
> 6. Sell Interchangeable snap in keyboards as an option so if I need a num pad I snap it in. If I want all the keys like the lx 200 I snap it in etc. etc.
> 7. Run on 2 AA's for days not minutes with a modem.
> 8. I need a visual database so I can set it up the way I work and have the fields I use. I also need to perform simple math functions +-/* on the fields.
> 9. Be able to print! without taking 10min to port it to my desktop.
> 10. Be fast, not wait 1,2,3,4 I have my data.
> 11. Built like a tank. This is a portable tool it is going to hit the floor a few times, things happen.
> 12. Have a express exchange program. I give you my Visa# you send me a new unit I move my data over, send the old one back and you credit my card.
>
> Someone, Anyone put this together and I'll be the first to plunk down another $500.00
> Glen Bergs
> Atlanta GA
> CC ZDnet
>

I have a 300LX, and I am agree with you, this machine has a good design
(display, keyboard, etc.) but I think that 200LX its better because you
can access your data inmediately,for people in travel or movil anywhere,
I choice the 200LX. I have one obviusly... Maybe we can think in 300LX
with software of 200LX...

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Here's my Hinge Crack survey info:
1.      Model: HP200LX 2mb
2.      Unit Manufacture Date: 504
3.      Months owned: 'bout 24
4.      Perm Loan from work
5.      No crack noticeable yet - but looks like a possible impending stress =
fracture.  Great product.  It's been drop, drop-kicked, "child-tested" =
and no problems (at least nothing that a file, glue and duck-tape wasn't =
able to fix.)  Works like a champ!

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> >         wced            command line file completion

> I've been trying to find wced, and I can't.  Does anyone know where I can
> find it?
It's absolutely brilliant, worth its (slight) wait in gold. Makes you
smile at much less typing you need to get things done.

At first, I got a version from garbo, I think, but maybe SimTel.

However, I ended up using a later version I got from Rudi, which he had
customised to some extent. Rudi? Can David have a copy of yours?

> ObRecommendation: A lot of utilities you mention can be replaced by perl.
> Perl takes up a lot of space, but you can write one-line commands to do
> grep, wc, tr, and almost any other text processing function.
Thanks! But I always go for simpler over sophisticated :)
And is perl fast? Awk on my palmtop is real slow.

> DDDD    David Kramer                        dskramer@concentric.net
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P5:
> + Backlighting
> + Fast cpu (RISK) but only 20MHz (RISC)
> + Also lots of s/w
> - Non DOS
***** - no C compiler available (or any other; only their interpreted OCP(?) )
  - lots of little utilities missing - contrast to all the unix ports to DOS
  + multitasking in a brilliant OS

> + Good keyboard
> + Good email/net connectivity
> + Good interface to WinXXX platform
> - No pcmcia internal modem
> + Pen interface
  + nice case design
  + sound input/output

A very nice machine; but the software is just not there. A shame. But, it
does show one of the advantages to the consumer of aggressive marketing:
if there is only one OS, _EVERYTHING_ gets developed for it.
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>Could you email me a copy of the Diskmon utility? Thanks in advance!

Sure, why don't I just post it to the list?  AND WHY DON'T I JUST ATTACH=
 THIS COPY OF WORD 5.5, TOO, AND MAYBE THIS COPY OF PC-FILE!  WHAT DO=
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Just kidding.  I'll put it on my web site at http://coyote.accessnv.com/dav=
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On closer look, I do have a crack around ther right hinge,
but its on the body, in back - a double crack. No hint that
the right hinge is about to come loose. Friction is a three on
your scale. Its 100LX, 332,acquired last month.

On the lubricant/cleaner applied, has anybody thought of a drop
of Armorall? Applied to the pivot center?

David Sargeant wrote:

> Yes, as I was about to post, please look at the picture and examine the
> area carefully before you send a message saying you don't have the
> crack.  It's hard to see unless you know where to look.  When the
> results are in I'll be glad to post them at my site.
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So did I.
Here's what I said -- was it too harsh or direct?
Criticism is welcomed.

<sn
In your article, you said all palmtops and organizers
before WinCE used proprietary interfaces and operating
systems.  That is not entirely true.

Long before Windows 95, long before anything you or
I would call a computer today, there was an infant on the
side of the road.  You might have seen it if you took a
sideways glance towards HP around 1992.  It was a small,
dark-green device, a bit smaller than the palmtops around
today.  If you opened it and turned it on, you would have seen
a working DOS box, whose compatability spanned all the way
from the processor to the new memory standard, PCMCIA 1.0.

You may have been riding the bullet train of technology in
1994, and saw out of the corner of your eye the same baby,
which somehow looked more mature.  Had you opened it,
you would have seen the same device, only this time with
100dpi screen resolution, for a total resolution of 640x200.
A little experimenting with the small slot to the left of the
keyboard would tell you it was now capable of PCMCIA
2.0 devices.

Lately, although HP has been quietly trying to squash it,
you may see the occasional 200LX, a fully functional
XT-compatible computer with full DOS 5.0 compatability,
4M or more of memory, with space for up to Type II
rel 2.x PCMCIA cards. A little toying with the machine
reveals that its 8-mhz Intel 80c186 processor runs circles
around a comparable WinCE machine running five times as
fast.  Screen clarity and keyboard quality is unmatched
anywhere else in the palmtop world.  And full IBM
compatability means you can run the thousands -- millions --
of DOS programs available today.  It has its own special task
swapper program which makes it easier to use than straight
DOS (although you can run it in DOS-only without any reduction
in functionality.)

And you can get one for as little as $460.  Isn't that a step in
the right direction?

I think so.

Ian Butler
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
ip>

TTFN.

Ian Butler
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
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At 08:17 PM 10/15/97 PDT, you wrote:
>So did I.
>Here's what I said -- was it too harsh or direct?
>Criticism is welcomed.
>

Very well spoken.

Rich

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At 11:37 10/15/97 -0700, you wrote:
>To All LXers
>
>I may be missing something here, but judging by the large number of
>laptops/notebooks/palmtops out there, how hard can it be for some
>pipsqueak, upstart company to simply develop an upgraded version of the
>200LX?
>It seems to me that the hardest part of it all would be to design and
>have made (in Japan or Singapore or Malaysia) an esthetic, durable,
>bulletproof case. Except for IBMs, I haven't seen many American
>companies do well with this kind of thing.

How about a case machined out of a solid block of aluminum. With CAD and
computer controlled milling machines this is possible.  I for one would
accept the extra ounce or two of weight.  Or better yet, stronger, lighter
titanium. (now we're talking big bucks)



Have a good one!
Owen Samuelson  KU4ET
My HP200LX page:  http://www.hom.net/~owensam/ptidx.html

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On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Brendan Macmillan wrote:

> > ObRecommendation: A lot of utilities you mention can be replaced by perl.
> > Perl takes up a lot of space, but you can write one-line commands to do
> > grep, wc, tr, and almost any other text processing function.
> Thanks! But I always go for simpler over sophisticated :)
> And is perl fast? Awk on my palmtop is real slow.

Perl compiles source in memory each time it's run, so it's slow to start
then once it's running it's much faster.  So the larger the input file the
better you are off with perl.  I just like being able to substitute 50K
programs with one-line batch files.

I've found that I no longer want a C compiler on my palmtop now that I
have perl, too.

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Let's face it. Those who have never used an HP95, 100 or 200LX will probably never pursue a 200LX over a WINCE unit. Especially if the kids who sell hardware at the local computer store has anything to do with it. On the other hand, those who have enjoyed the versitility of the HP200LX PIM with Month-at-a-glance, etc, etc. will (like myself) easily return to the DOS platform. What amazes me is that it took the latest version to include the month-at-a-glance. Are we really supposed to assume that this was one feature that was just overlooked in between that HP200LX and the latest? I think that what we have just witnessed is BRILLIANT marketing.

Ken Moore

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So far I've lost two screws.  Oe I was able to bugger up a close match
from a broken radio, but that didn't work very well.  Now I've got a
second missing screw (I found the foot).

The replacement parts kit does not include screws.  Does anyone have
another source, or at least the exact specs for them?

TIA.



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Greetings to the Mailing List,

Since I discovered palmtops.comp.sys and then joined the HPLX Mailing
List as well as getting involved in a local users' group several
months ago, I have been aware of a particular recurring, nagging theme
(other than the "crack" problem) in your letters.  Yes, it makes most
of us WinCE.  It seems to be the most important issue of the day,
being seen to be tied up inexorably with the future of the
95/100/200LX series of palmtops.

I had hoped to gather more definite thoughts and suggestions together,
but the recent announcement on the 13th of October of the new 360LX
and proposed 620LX, together with several messages in the Mailing
List, particularly those from Ian Butler and Michael Stocker, makes me
feel that it's time to help generate action - even if only to give an
outline of ideas at this stage - to see what can be done about the
future of the X00LX series.

There is no doubt that people are passionately fond of their
traditional DOS-based palmtops.  This is epitomised in a contribution
from Danny Gaudenti on Wednesday, 16 July 1997.  He quoted a previous
source who had just glued the crack in his beloved palmtop and added
another line:

<< ...and it seems to be holding.  I did have a nightmare last night
that the crack had opened again but I awoke in a cold sweat only to
find that it was fine.

< And that's how you know your palmtop has become the most important
thing in your life, when you have dreams/nightmares about it?

The recent messages from Ian Butler and Michael Stocker have begun to
suggest action, rather than words, which is what is needed.  The
results of action relating to that other problem can already be seen
in the beginnings of a survey list of crack sufferers.  However, as
well as a writing campaign aimed at magazines etc., surely it's
Hewlett Packard that we should be aiming directly at if we want the
400LX to be a reality?

It seems probable that a certain party has Gates-crashed on HP's plans
for the future and now all we are likely to get is Windows-dressing.
After all, business is business.  It's all about money.  Therefore it
has got to be demonstrated to Hewlett Packard that there is money (and
future customers in the long term) in continuing the current line
after the 200LX.

Hewlett Packard must know how many units they've sold of the
relatively unique style of X00LX palmtops.  Now they are in
competition with other producers using a compatible platform and will
presumably soon be able to judge their share of this new market, which
might not be in volume terms as much as before.  What they can't tell
is the volume of support that they might get by sticking to production
of the X00LX palmtops, or even producing them simultaneously with the
CE line.  This is what we have to give them some idea of.  In other
words, we have to do their market research for them.

I suspect that Hewlett Packard would need to know not just how many
potential customers there are, but their level of commitment - that's
the big word.  So we need to provide them with tangible evidence of
sufficient numbers and sufficient commitment, to have any hope of
preserving the future of the X00LX.  In a nutshell, we need to produce
a world list of current users (real names) who are prepared to give an
indication of intent to buy an upgrade.  This may sound almost
preposterous as no-one could be held to that intention, but if you put
yourself in Hewlett Packard's position, would you settle for anything
less?  And we still don't know what the minimum number for viability
might be, either.

If we can get a list of users with crack problems, as seems to be
gathering momentum, could we also manage to get a register of
"committed" future customers?  We do indeed need volunteers to write
to all possible magazines etc and to approach all the users' groups
and mailing lists, but first of all I respectfully suggest that we
need a plan of action.  Several aspects spring to mind.  Perhaps we
need to have a survey on a "wish list" of items for an upgraded X00LX
by sending out a questionnaire to all these magazines.  This could
include the oppotunity to register an expression of interest in such
an upgrade.  Although I would be prepared to commit myself to actually
buying an upgrade (my 100LX won't last forever), it's not likely that
many others would; but there appears to have been sufficient
expression of interest in the backlighting project to keep it alive.
I therefore think that ultimately we have to be able to produce a list
of interested customers to have any hope of influencing Hewlett
Packard; and that is a big undertaking.

Anyway, I think I've said enough for one day.

Sincerely,

Barry Collins
<collib@atom.forensic.sa.gov.au>

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It doesn't have to be aluminum, or titanium, and I bet the 1994 200LX
cases were made from the same kind of plastic that Motorola uses in
their line of Handie-Talkie radios, the stuff is nearly indestructible.
I bet HP changed the formula of the plastic content of the cases. You
know, how corporations are always seeking that better bottom line by
giving poorer service/product for the money! (what a stupid,
short-sighted idea!)

By the way, I heard it was Rockefeller who first thought up the idea of
corporations to pay no taxes, protect oneself from lawsuits etc., and he
was one hated character until he also though up the idea of giving to
charities to improve his public image...

Bob Aldrich
Los Angeles
(KL7EAL)

Owen Samuelson wrote:
> How about a case machined out of a solid block of aluminum. With CAD and
> Have a good one!
> Owen Samuelson  KU4ET
> My HP200LX page:  http://www.hom.net/~owensam/ptidx.html

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     Damn your good

     Helmut in Colorado

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     Damn your good tooooo !!!!!


     Helmut in Colorado

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Paul Szilard wrote:
>
> Anyone have any useful comments on the viability of the Psion P5 as a worthy
> upgrade to the trusty 200LX?
>
> P5:
> + Backlighting
> + Fast cpu (RISK)
Have a "race" in the spreadsheet for example - higher clock speed
does not always give a faster program.
> + Also lots of s/w
> - Non DOS
All that wonderful FREE and shareware plus your old desktop stuff!
> + Good keyboard
On a desk top- difficult to type held in hands
> + Good email/net connectivity
with external modem
> + Good interface to WinXXX platform
> - No pcmcia internal modem
OR cheaper PC card storage - up to 85 meg with 200lx
> + Pen interface
Good for little map things/diagrams
pen to text is very slow
> Regards,
> Paul Szilard

+Nice voice recorder from outside of case
-Hard to see screen like WinCE - reflections
-Every Psion add on is expensive
+if you fit into their software (possibly journalist, lawyer
  etc   NOT numbers person) then go for it

Personally if you want a desktop add-on;  go for the PilotPro
and if you want a PC in your pocket there is only the 200lx!

Cheers
John Shaw
NZ
Fully 200lx biased!

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Re: Ian's letter.
<<Here's what I said -- was it too harsh or direct?
Criticism is welcomed.>>

IMHO too long. Nothing snappy and quotable they can use in the letters to=

editor.

     Carl Merkle    =

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Amen!

I have been monitoring the hinge crack threads, and
collecting the names of those who write about it, saying their
hinge _is_ cracked  My current list is of:

Tony Hutchins, Bill Childers, Steve Coates, Dr. Frank Herrmann,
Terry Livingston, David Runge, Stan Peters, AF P, David Sargeant,
John Shaw, David Birch, Chortles Bar-jona, Longden C. Loo,
Glen Bergs.

Feel free to send me private email if you ain't on or you ain't
s'posed to be on.

Thanks.

Ian Butler
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
Check the dull homepage at <http://www.caspers.net/ianrb/>

"Damn I'm good." -- Duke Nukem

----------
: I had hoped to gather more definite thoughts and suggestions together,
: but the recent announcement on the 13th of October of the new 360LX
: and proposed 620LX, together with several messages in the Mailing
: List, particularly those from Ian Butler and Michael Stocker, makes me
: feel that it's time to help generate action - even if only to give an
: outline of ideas at this stage - to see what can be done about the
: future of the X00LX series.

: The recent messages from Ian Butler and Michael Stocker have begun to
: suggest action, rather than words, which is what is needed.  The
: results of action relating to that other problem can already be seen
: in the beginnings of a survey list of crack sufferers.  However, as
: well as a writing campaign aimed at magazines etc., surely it's
: Hewlett Packard that we should be aiming directly at if we want the
: 400LX to be a reality?

: If we can get a list of users with crack problems, as seems to be
: gathering momentum, could we also manage to get a register of
: "committed" future customers?  We do indeed need volunteers to write
: to all possible magazines etc and to approach all the users' groups
: and mailing lists, but first of all I respectfully suggest that we
: need a plan of action.  Several aspects spring to mind.  Perhaps we
: need to have a survey on a "wish list" of items for an upgraded X00LX
: by sending out a questionnaire to all these magazines.  This could
: include the oppotunity to register an expression of interest in such
: an upgrade.  Although I would be prepared to commit myself to actually
: buying an upgrade (my 100LX won't last forever), it's not likely that
: many others would; but there appears to have been sufficient
: expression of interest in the backlighting project to keep it alive.
: I therefore think that ultimately we have to be able to produce a list
: of interested customers to have any hope of influencing Hewlett
: Packard; and that is a big undertaking.

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Regarding the "Crack Survey". I'm sorry to have missed the origional
post. I can't give any definite serial numbers, but let me add my
experiences. I'll be VERY interested to see some summary results.

Units: 100 LX 1 meg units - Circa '94?

Number of units: 5 - all Express Exchange.

Time until Crack: anywhere from >1< day, to 2 weeks.

Larry Feldman
LFeldman@Voicenet.com

Palmtop News Reader - Version 1.2

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1.  1 meg HP200LX with Mack speed upgrade and to 5 megs

2.  49th week of 94

3.  purchased used

4.  In my use since April 97

5.  No crack apparent

6.  Carried in small unpadded fanny pack with other stuff.  My concern is
that some item will cause screen distortion and damage when the fanny pack
is compressed--particularly likely when exercising hard--but so far my
screen is fine.

Steve Staloff

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wear.exe should be run from DOS prompt (a:)

Check123... Jeffcom.

At 11:09 AM 10/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi folks-
>
>I wanted to thank all the good people who responded to my question
>about wear.exe
>
>I've received a couple of copies and the URL of an ftp site with this
>file.  Thanks again.
>
>Sorry to bug you again, but I've got a couple of questions.
>        1. Should this be run from drive C: or the flash card (A:)?
>        2. Are any command line parameters needed?
>        3. Has anyone used wear.exe with a JAMmed drive?
>Thought there were detailed instructions in a back issue of the Palmtop
>Paper, but could only find fairly general, vague info (unmount Stacked
>drive & run with AC adapter)
>
>Any help and advice is appreciated
>
>TIA
>
>PR
>---------
>
>
>Peniel Romanelli   peniel@web2000.net   d021785c@dc.seflin.org
>    *******  HP100LX  ----  Post/LX  ----  WWW/LX  *******
>      "We have met the enemy, and he is us"       - Pogo
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 1.  1 meg HP100LX

 2.  SG34700267

 3.  purchased used

 4.  Rec'd June '97

 5.  Notice Crack after 2 weeks of use

 6.  Always in Leather case when carried



 1.  2 meg HP200LX

 2.  SG63700195

 3.  purchased used

 4.  Rec'd Aug '97

 5.  Was already cracked, Proor job of the repaired

 6.  Always in Leather case when carried

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Being a user and not a technical type, I am unsure if I should take
advantage of the Thaddeus Computing 8mg RAM upgrade offer.

I have a HP200LX with 1mg RAM, and have a double flash 5mg PCMICIA card.

Does the PCMICIA card increase the 1mg RAM to 5 (or 10 when doubled), or
would getting the 8mg upgrade increase performance while using the card?

While the double speed upgrade seems to be worth while, since I do not
envision using the palmtop for modem activity, so having a free slot
doesn't seem to be an issue.

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In your case, I recommend sticking with using a RAM card.

My experience has been that information stored on a RAM card is more secure than on
system RAM.  If the 200LX crashes, the files on the RAM card are typically not
affected while all system RAM data can be lost.

Some people on the list have reported files becoming corrupted while writing to a RAM
card.  However, this has never been my experience in over 4 years of use.

Also, I am using a 4MB 200LX and daily save zipped copies of all my data files to both
my system RAM and RAM card, and back the complete system up weekly.

--- On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:09:58 -0400  "S. Lansing Williams" <slansing@CMRLTD.COM>
wrote:

>Being a user and not a technical type, I am unsure if I should take
>advantage of the Thaddeus Computing 8mg RAM upgrade offer.
>
>I have a HP200LX with 1mg RAM, and have a double flash 5mg PCMICIA card.
>
>Does the PCMICIA card increase the 1mg RAM to 5 (or 10 when doubled), or
>would getting the 8mg upgrade increase performance while using the card?
>
>While the double speed upgrade seems to be worth while, since I do not
>envision using the palmtop for modem activity, so having a free slot
>doesn't seem to be an issue.
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           10/16/97 7:01:43 AM EDT
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> > >         wced            command line file completion
>
> > I've been trying to find wced, and I can't.  Does anyone know where I can
> > find it?
> It's absolutely brilliant, worth its (slight) wait in gold. Makes you
> smile at much less typing you need to get things done.
>
> However, I ended up using a later version I got from Rudi, which he had
> customised to some extent. Rudi? Can David have a copy of yours?

1. The latest version is simtelnet:.../msdos/keyboard/wced19c.zip
2. It's meaningful only if you stay long enough under plain-DOS.
3. I'm using HP200LX as my only PC and I cannot do without WCED -
   a replacement for DOSKEY and can be configured to act like
   UNIX-tcsh with alias, filename-/executable-completion, history
   and is fexible enough to be configured to the style you'd like.
4. I suggest that you first get yourself (if necessary, I'll send
   you one) a complete WCED19C.ZIP and since the configuration may
   be tedious, I'll be happy to mail you my configuration-data on
   request.

Rudi

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Hi.

Yesterday I downloaded a program called CBCALC.EXM (Ver.0.02 ClipBoard
CALC by Mr.Eiichiroh Itoh.) from a Japanese server.

But!! Is they anyone out there who know how it works??

Any help is appreciated.

Michael

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Thanks to all who replied to my query.  I'm going to give lxtools and
lxfileman a try.

chad.

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Philip Seyer wrote:
>
> I've already written to HP and to Richard Hart who forwarded
> by email to Desmond Crisis.  Richard only commented that
> they had already done a review of palmtops.  I tried to
> stress there are many fine programs  I can run on my 200 LX
> that I can't run on the WIMPY machines.
>
> I saw a magazine devoted to DOS about a year or so ago
> in a book store in San Mateo.  Some people were smirking at it.
> I marveled that such a mag still existed.  Does anyone know what
> the name of it is?  Perhaps we could send them an article as well.

The magazine is:
Dos World - The Essential Guide to Dos and Windows
http://www.dosworld.com

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>Yesterday I downloaded a program called CBCALC.EXM (Ver.0.02 ClipBoard
>CALC by Mr.Eiichiroh Itoh.) from a Japanese server.
>But!! Is they anyone out there who know how it works??

I installed it to Application Manager and gave it a shortcut key
combination.

In MEMO (or elsewhere?) you highlight the calculation eg: 1+2+3
and press FnCOPY.  Now 1+2+3 is in the clipboard.

You press the shortcut key combination which runs the CBCALC program and
it works on the clipboard contents.

Now the clipboard contains the result.

You move the cursor to where you want the result, and press FnPASTE and
hey-presto, it pastes 6

best regds
Jez

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>I may be missing something here, but judging by the large number of
>laptops/notebooks/palmtops out there, how hard can it be for some
>pipsqueak, upstart company to simply develop an upgraded version of the
>200LX?

What you're missing is that the upstart has to have the $ and muscle to
develop. The hardware part might be easy but think of the programs built =
in
that'd be near impossible to duplicate. Also, no upstart could offer the
kind of express exchange service HP provides. No -- HP needs to do the
upgrading of the 200LX if it's to happen at all.

     Carl

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1. Model: 200lxr 2.52MB-plus IR-decoder ring and noise filter
2. Manufactured: 631.12+-0.005 femto light years
3. Owned since 110996 12:34:54 -0500 GMT
4. Shoplifted New right from HP training grounds, Singapore
5. Using non-dispersive SEM with a 600x ICCD enhanced digital zoom, found
nano-sized features, possibly cracks.  Crack-feature content included
Zinc-phosphor+aminobenzene-acrylase -- a plastic eating enzyme.  The cracks
had regular structure, which appeared, under intense NN image processing,
to form alien code words interpreted as: "Resistance is futile."
6. Uses: 200lxr employed as an M2 and M35 tank tread analyzer, has slipped
under and been crushed without function loss.  Also used to test
depressurization on Z-class robotic submarines.  Only incident of harm was
when our Commander and Chief sat on it after consuming three bowls of chili
-- the bluish cover was scarred horribly, now colored grayish.

Okay, kidding aside:  200lx2MB,631,New Nov 96, micro-cracks seen through
30x microscope.  Used daily.
--sp

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<< In a nutshell, we need to produce
a world list of current users (real names) who are prepared to give an
indication of intent to buy an upgrade. >>

I agree with the thoughts. Add me to the list. It'd be nice if Al or Mitc=
h
could set up a web page form at Palmtop.net for people to register this.
Real money from a committed group, if it's large enough is hard to ignore=
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Hi,

We're  looking for an used one :
        - HP200LX (>= 2MB)
        - AC-Adapter (desired, maybe also further accessories)
        - in nice conditions
        - has to be sent to Germany (hope it's not a problem for you)

Price : about 275 - 300 $

What's on ? Give me an offer !

Bye

Kurt / Frank

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I have been working with the HPPRN program to print thru my desktop PC. I=

can get the text from the HP200 to printer, but the HP hangs up - any ide=
a
why? Is there an easier way to print?

Phil Godden
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Text of message from: Phil_Godden@COMPUSERVE.COM,
             written: on Thu, 16 Oct 1997 at 10:07 AM
> I have been working with the HPPRN program to print thru my desktop PC.
> I=
>
> can get the text from the HP200 to printer, but the HP hangs up - any
> ide= a why? Is there an easier way to print?

For documents:

In CPACK filer on the desktop, highlight the file and select File Print
(Ctrl-P).

Or use IrDA drivers for HP and an IrDA printer or JetEye-like device.

- Danny   Daniel Z. Sands, MD, MPH  *  dsands@bidmc.harvard.edu
  ___/    Center for Clinical Computing
 (__      Beth Israel Deaconess Med Ctr / Harvard Medical School
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     Hello,

     I just submitted the entire USDA nutrient database (over 5,000 items)
     to Murray Barton to add to the Database Repository <
     http://www.iinet.net.au/~muzza/hp_db.html >.

     Healthy Eating!

     Sincerely,
     Dennis Faucher
     Professional Services
     Hewlett-Packard Company
     Burlington, MA
     (617) 221-5090
     dennis_faucher@hp.com

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Does anyone tell me what "LX" stands for?  Thanks.

Raymond

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On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Raymond Li wrote:

> Does anyone tell me what "LX" stands for?  Thanks.
I'm not sure what they originally had in mind, but LX in a car's
name/model usually means "luxury".  For instance, there's the Honda Civic
DX (deluxed), then the LX (luxury, more expensive).

Since there never was any non-LX models in the x00 line, it's sorta like
when the movie theater sells medium, large, and huge sodas but no small.
Just a theory.


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1. Model HP200LX 2MB
2. Manufacture date:  week 38,  1996 (SN SG638...)
3. Owned for 11 months.
4. Bought new
5. Sadly since this thread started and thanks to David Sargeants Web =

site picture I have found the faint beginnings of the dreaded crack.

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Put me on the list as a potential customer for an upgrade of either the
200LX or the 1000CX (I don't use the built-in software software anyway).

Jorgen
  =

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Actually, there was something about the origins of the 95LX name in one of the first
Palmtop Papers.  It was certainly not this.

--- On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:37:34 -0400  David Kramer <Dskramer@concentric.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Raymond Li wrote:
>
>> Does anyone tell me what "LX" stands for?  Thanks.
>I'm not sure what they originally had in mind, but LX in a car's
>name/model usually means "luxury".  For instance, there's the Honda Civic
>DX (deluxed), then the LX (luxury, more expensive).
>
>Since there never was any non-LX models in the x00 line, it's sorta like
>when the movie theater sells medium, large, and huge sodas but no small.
>Just a theory.
>
>
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           10/16/97 2:27:03 PM EDT
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Can the files of dBase and phone book be converted to dBase file for Visual
FoxPro 3.0 and vice versa?  Appreciating advice.

Thanks,

Raymond

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Let's be a little careful here, folks. I've seen this happen before.

Any of you remember the Commodore Amiga?

An interesting machine, superior to its contemporaries in many ways. A very loyal following. And getting left behind by the juggernaut led by the IBM PC and Microsoft DOS.

The Amiga fans continued in their little world, writing letters to magazines, sneering at the PCs and Macs, etc. Even the PC compatibles made by Commodore were scorned by the Amiga faithful.

Then Commodore pulled the plug on the Amiga. Sorry, for you non-native English speakers out there, Commodore killed the Amiga. Discontinued it. Quit making, marketing, and selling them. Concentrated on the PC compatibles instead.

Why did Commodore discontinue the Amiga? One BIG reason was the loyal, faithful fans. One Commodore big-wig, explaining the decision, said something like, and I paraphrase, "Those d**n people never did a d**n thing for us!"

Seem familiar? Put HP for Commodore, 200LX for Amiga, and WinCE for PC/DOS and I start to get a bad feeling of deja vu. (For you French readers out there, I apologize for not accenting that properly.)

Now, I never owned a Commodore machine, I don't know exactly what the big-wig was referring to, and I don't know exactly where I first encountered the story. But If find the web site or the history book again, I'll let you know.

I want the 200LX to continue and evolve. I have a bet with an IBM'er that says DOS will outlast OS/2.

Kiyoshi Akima
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On August 19, 1997, Gov. Pete Wilson signed Assembly Bill 64 into
California law. Known as the Digital High School Intiative, it's the
largest educational technology initiative in the state's history. The
program will provide more than $500 million in funding over the next four=

years. It's goal is to place computers with Internet access in every high=

school in the state.

On Tuesday October 14, 1997 education officials randomly picked 216
California high schools as candidates for the first $100 million in
funding. Schools chosen this week must now apply for the money by proposi=
ng
campus technology programs. For each application approved, the school wil=
l
receive $300 per student. To receive the money, school districts must mat=
ch
them with local money.

Now, $300 (or $600) doesn't go very far when talking about networked PCs
(desktops or laptops). But with palmtops that's a different story. With a=

traditional approach there'd be just part time access leaving limited tim=
e
for the student to really learn to use a PC. But with palmtops, every
student could have their own "personal" computer to use anytime-anywhere
for class notes, report preparation, math classes, Internet research, etc=
=2E

So now I need your help. I know next to nothing about education these day=
s.
I need student and teacher perspectives of the concept and their use of
palmtops in the classroom. I have The HP Palmtop Paper articles I can sen=
d
out and the Harvard writeup by HP, but I'd like lots of useable
testimonials and support for the idea. Not just conceptual and theoretica=
l
ideas -- but practical "this is how it helped me" material.

I also need to know some of the possible objections that'll be raised, an=
d
the "hot buttons" educators and technology decision makers will react to.=
 I
need to be prepared to deal with objections and present a compelling
arguement for the palmtop integrated into the networked environment.

In my local community there are 13 schools which'll qualify for total
funding of $7 million. There are many other schools out there, and I'd be=

pleased to help others with the pitch in their local community, including=

sharing of materials, support, ideas, and so on.

It's a big state. My areas are manageable, but since all the decisions ar=
e
made locally, there's plenty of work to pass around for those interested =
in
pursuing. Any takers? Comments are greatly appreciated.

     Regards,

     Carl Merkle
     Director of Corporate Projects
     Shier Systems & Software, Inc.
     phone: 714-559-1142 =

     fax: 714-559-7978
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Don't think so. Not enough room.
Demon

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Subject:      ANNOUNCING HP 260LX

   PALIO  ALTERNATE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 1st, 1997--
Hewlett-Packard Company today introduced the HP 260LX Palmtop PC with
Micro$oft(r) DOS 6.2, expanding to its award-winning family of DOS Palmtop
PCs.
   HP leads the palmtop PC market by concentrating on key customer
needs, such as screen size, quality, total cost of ownership, and a variaty
of operating systems.  The HP 260LX offers such breakthrough features as a
full-width, 16-greyscale, high-contrast screen with natural-white backlight.
 In late 1997, HP expects to further enhance its palmtop PC line with the HP
260LXC, a
color-display model.
   "HP is a recognized leader in the palmtop PC category, having
now turned from Windozs CE to deliver a full-width, 640- x 240-pixel screen
to the DOS market," said Dennis Hamann, worldwide marketing manager of HP's
Asia Pacific PC Division.  "By advancing the role of the DOS palmtop and
offering a new color model, HP substantially advances its leadership position
in the
handheld industry."

THE HP 260LX PALMTOP PC BREAKS GROUND

   Based on the DOS 6.2 operating system, the HP 260LX offers corporate
customers significant advantages in mobile computing, including easy PC
synchronization and compatibility with familiar 3rd party business
applications.
   HP will not need to to deliver new software to manage the HP
260LX palmtop PC as a component on the business, scientific or educational
environment.  The ability to support fully mature software will lower a
corporation's total cost of ownership of computing products, while giving
network administrators a simple, standardized means of managing the computing
assets.
   Other advantages of the HP 260LX palmtop PC include the high-contrast
display with 16 grey shades, increasing visibility and clarity. A month-view
PIM has been standard for years. A dedicated storage slot for CompactFlash
cards will leave the PC card slot free for a modem connection.  The HP260LX
palmtop PC also comes with 16MB of RAM; 10MB of ROM; and an improved Hornet
chip with an integrated 80486 class processor, which significantly enhances
performance and speed.

HP'S GROWING PALMTOP PC FAMILY:  VALUE, PERFORMANCE AND COLOR

   HP secured and solidified its industry leadership with products such as
its scientific calculator, circa 1972, and its DOS-based palmtop PCs.  HP
took the handheld category down a blind alley with the introduction of its
Micro$oft Windows CE-based palmtop PCs -- including the HP 320LX, the first
wide-screen, Windows CE palmtop PC. HP is no correcting its admitted error by
bringing the useful features of its HP 300LX series to the DOS environment.
 Coming in late 1997, HP's palmtop PC family will further advance the
industry with the addition of a color-display model, the HP 260LXC palmtop
PC.

AVAILABILITY, PRICING AND SUPPORT

   The HP 260LX palmtop PC is expected to ship in late 1997 and will be
available through corporate resellers, as well as retail locations.  The HP
260LX has an estimated street price of $499 (U.S.).  The low initial price is
intended to appologize to the 200lx's loyal customer base for the foolish
foray into the WinCE OS.  It is backed by a ten-year unlimited warranty that
offers same-day, express-pickup-and-delivery service.  HP's color-display
palmtop PC, the HP 260LXC palmtop PC, is expected to be available in early
1998.
   For owners of the popular, award-winning HP 200LX palmtop PC, who
purchased their units at any time, HP offers a free 260LX upgrade.
 Information on HP's upgrade program and additional information on HP palmtop
PCs can be found on the World Wide Web at http://www.hp.com/back_on_track, or
by calling 800/im-sorry.

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This was cruel!

----------
> From: Lynn M. Cavendish <Cavendishl@AOL.COM>
> To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
> Subject: ANNOUNCING HP 260LX
> Date: Thursday, October 16, 1997 3:03 PM
>
>    PALIO  ALTERNATE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 1st, 1997--
> Hewlett-Packard Company today introduced the HP 260LX Palmtop PC with
> Micro$oft(r) DOS 6.2, expanding to its award-winning family of DOS
Palmtop
> PCs.
>    HP leads the palmtop PC market by concentrating on key customer
> needs, such as screen size, quality, total cost of ownership, and a
variaty
> of operating systems.  The HP 260LX offers such breakthrough features as
a
> full-width, 16-greyscale, high-contrast screen with natural-white
backlight.
>  In late 1997, HP expects to further enhance its palmtop PC line with the
HP
> 260LXC, a
> color-display model.
>    "HP is a recognized leader in the palmtop PC category, having
> now turned from Windozs CE to deliver a full-width, 640- x 240-pixel
screen
> to the DOS market," said Dennis Hamann, worldwide marketing manager of
HP's
> Asia Pacific PC Division.  "By advancing the role of the DOS palmtop and
> offering a new color model, HP substantially advances its leadership
position
> in the
> handheld industry."
>
> THE HP 260LX PALMTOP PC BREAKS GROUND
>
>    Based on the DOS 6.2 operating system, the HP 260LX offers corporate
> customers significant advantages in mobile computing, including easy PC
> synchronization and compatibility with familiar 3rd party business
> applications.
>    HP will not need to to deliver new software to manage the HP
> 260LX palmtop PC as a component on the business, scientific or
educational
> environment.  The ability to support fully mature software will lower a
> corporation's total cost of ownership of computing products, while giving
> network administrators a simple, standardized means of managing the
computing
> assets.
>    Other advantages of the HP 260LX palmtop PC include the high-contrast
> display with 16 grey shades, increasing visibility and clarity. A
month-view
> PIM has been standard for years. A dedicated storage slot for
CompactFlash
> cards will leave the PC card slot free for a modem connection.  The
HP260LX
> palmtop PC also comes with 16MB of RAM; 10MB of ROM; and an improved
Hornet
> chip with an integrated 80486 class processor, which significantly
enhances
> performance and speed.
>
> HP'S GROWING PALMTOP PC FAMILY:  VALUE, PERFORMANCE AND COLOR
>
>    HP secured and solidified its industry leadership with products such
as
> its scientific calculator, circa 1972, and its DOS-based palmtop PCs.  HP
> took the handheld category down a blind alley with the introduction of
its
> Micro$oft Windows CE-based palmtop PCs -- including the HP 320LX, the
first
> wide-screen, Windows CE palmtop PC. HP is no correcting its admitted
error by
> bringing the useful features of its HP 300LX series to the DOS
environment.
>  Coming in late 1997, HP's palmtop PC family will further advance the
> industry with the addition of a color-display model, the HP 260LXC
palmtop
> PC.
>
> AVAILABILITY, PRICING AND SUPPORT
>
>    The HP 260LX palmtop PC is expected to ship in late 1997 and will be
> available through corporate resellers, as well as retail locations.  The
HP
> 260LX has an estimated street price of $499 (U.S.).  The low initial
price is
> intended to appologize to the 200lx's loyal customer base for the foolish
> foray into the WinCE OS.  It is backed by a ten-year unlimited warranty
that
> offers same-day, express-pickup-and-delivery service.  HP's color-display
> palmtop PC, the HP 260LXC palmtop PC, is expected to be available in
early
> 1998.
>    For owners of the popular, award-winning HP 200LX palmtop PC, who
> purchased their units at any time, HP offers a free 260LX upgrade.
>  Information on HP's upgrade program and additional information on HP
palmtop
> PCs can be found on the World Wide Web at
http://www.hp.com/back_on_track, or
> by calling 800/im-sorry.
>
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> I agree with the thoughts. Add me to the list. It'd be nice if Al =
or Mitch
> could set up a web page form at Palmtop.net for people to register =
this.
> Real money from a committed group, if it's large enough is hard to =
ignore.

Add my name to the list as well! This is a fine idea...

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<<Can the files of dBase and phone book be converted to dBase file for
Visual
FoxPro 3.0 and vice versa?>>

The *.gdb and *.pdb files are unique. You can import and export to them
with a comma-delimited format using freeware like GDBIO or ADBIO.

     Regards,
     Carl =

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<<Let's be a little careful here, folks. I've seen this happen before.>>

Good analogy and good advice Kiyoshi. People's eye's do gloss over as the=
y
discount overzealous pushers of any technology.

The HP200LX did so well, and did so without marketing because of the
benefits it provides and its features. HP doesn't have the time or
inclination to put a lot of effort into continued development on what is
essentially a discontinued platform. But they have to their great credit
said they will continue to make the 200LX as long as people continue to b=
uy
them.

Results gets more attention than noise. To get results, find narrow marke=
ts
that can benefit from palmtops, then hook up with a vendor to pitch to th=
at
market. There are still plenty of smaller vendors who will support and se=
ll
the existing platform as well as the newer platforms.

     Regards,
     Carl Merkle
     SS&S

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From:         "Peter W. Borders" <TCBORDP@VBBUSNW1.TC.CC.VA.US>
Organization: Business Division - TCC VB
Subject:      Re: Overzealousness

> Let's be a little careful here, folks. I've seen this happen before.
>
> Any of you remember the Commodore Amiga?
>
> An interesting machine, superior to its contemporaries in many ways. A
> very loyal following. And getting left behind by the juggernaut led by
> the IBM PC and Microsoft DOS.
>
> The Amiga fans continued in their little world, writing letters to
> magazines, sneering at the PCs and Macs, etc. Even the PC compatibles
> made by Commodore were scorned by the Amiga faithful.
>
> Then Commodore pulled the plug on the Amiga. Sorry, for you non-native
> English speakers out there, Commodore killed the Amiga. Discontinued it.
> Quit making, marketing, and selling them. Concentrated

> stuff deleted ...

Sorry but you have your facts a little mixed up. Commodore never
discontinued the Amiga, they went out of business. Another company bought
just the Amiga part and started to do some development but they over
extended themselves so they sold the Amiga part to Gateway, yes the cow
people that make the line of PC compatible computers. I hardly think if the
Amiga was a dead end Gateway would purchase it and commit money to new
models and production. The main problem Commodore had with the Amiga was an
age old one, lack of proper marketing. The IBM PC didn't become the hugh
success it is because of technical merit or cost effectiveness, it became
big because it was from IBM. The same goes for all Microsoft products, they
are seldom the best at what they do and quite often are very buggy but they
are marketed VERY well and so people buy them in droves. WinCE will
probably be the same way.

Pete



Peter W. Borders

Network Support Technician
Business Division
Tidewater Community College

tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us

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From:         Jay Carlson <jaycar@MICROSOFT.COM>
Subject:      Re: ANNOUNCING HP 260LX

hideously, fiendishly, horribly, knifingly, painfully cruel

> ----------
> From:         Dan RidenhourSMTP:driden@STLNET.COM
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> Sent:         Thursday, October 16, 1997 1:09 PM
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>
> This was cruel!
>
> ----------
> > From: Lynn M. Cavendish <Cavendishl@AOL.COM>
> > To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
> > Subject: ANNOUNCING HP 260LX
> > Date: Thursday, October 16, 1997 3:03 PM
> >
> >    PALIO  ALTERNATE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 1st, 1997--
> > Hewlett-Packard Company today introduced the HP 260LX Palmtop PC
> with
> > Micro$oft(r) DOS 6.2, expanding to its award-winning family of DOS
> Palmtop
> > PCs.
> >    HP leads the palmtop PC market by concentrating on key customer
> > needs, such as screen size, quality, total cost of ownership, and a
> variaty
> > of operating systems.  The HP 260LX offers such breakthrough
> features as
> a
> > full-width, 16-greyscale, high-contrast screen with natural-white
> backlight.
> >  In late 1997, HP expects to further enhance its palmtop PC line
> with the
> HP
> > 260LXC, a
> > color-display model.
> >    "HP is a recognized leader in the palmtop PC category, having
> > now turned from Windozs CE to deliver a full-width, 640- x 240-pixel
> screen
> > to the DOS market," said Dennis Hamann, worldwide marketing manager
> of
> HP's
> > Asia Pacific PC Division.  "By advancing the role of the DOS palmtop
> and
> > offering a new color model, HP substantially advances its leadership
> position
> > in the
> > handheld industry."
> >
> > THE HP 260LX PALMTOP PC BREAKS GROUND
> >
> >    Based on the DOS 6.2 operating system, the HP 260LX offers
> corporate
> > customers significant advantages in mobile computing, including easy
> PC
> > synchronization and compatibility with familiar 3rd party business
> > applications.
> >    HP will not need to to deliver new software to manage the HP
> > 260LX palmtop PC as a component on the business, scientific or
> educational
> > environment.  The ability to support fully mature software will
> lower a
> > corporation's total cost of ownership of computing products, while
> giving
> > network administrators a simple, standardized means of managing the
> computing
> > assets.
> >    Other advantages of the HP 260LX palmtop PC include the
> high-contrast
> > display with 16 grey shades, increasing visibility and clarity. A
> month-view
> > PIM has been standard for years. A dedicated storage slot for
> CompactFlash
> > cards will leave the PC card slot free for a modem connection.  The
> HP260LX
> > palmtop PC also comes with 16MB of RAM; 10MB of ROM; and an improved
> Hornet
> > chip with an integrated 80486 class processor, which significantly
> enhances
> > performance and speed.
> >
> > HP'S GROWING PALMTOP PC FAMILY:  VALUE, PERFORMANCE AND COLOR
> >
> >    HP secured and solidified its industry leadership with products
> such
> as
> > its scientific calculator, circa 1972, and its DOS-based palmtop
> PCs.  HP
> > took the handheld category down a blind alley with the introduction
> of
> its
> > Micro$oft Windows CE-based palmtop PCs -- including the HP 320LX,
> the
> first
> > wide-screen, Windows CE palmtop PC. HP is no correcting its admitted
> error by
> > bringing the useful features of its HP 300LX series to the DOS
> environment.
> >  Coming in late 1997, HP's palmtop PC family will further advance
> the
> > industry with the addition of a color-display model, the HP 260LXC
> palmtop
> > PC.
> >
> > AVAILABILITY, PRICING AND SUPPORT
> >
> >    The HP 260LX palmtop PC is expected to ship in late 1997 and will
> be
> > available through corporate resellers, as well as retail locations.
> The
> HP
> > 260LX has an estimated street price of $499 (U.S.).  The low initial
> price is
> > intended to appologize to the 200lx's loyal customer base for the
> foolish
> > foray into the WinCE OS.  It is backed by a ten-year unlimited
> warranty
> that
> > offers same-day, express-pickup-and-delivery service.  HP's
> color-display
> > palmtop PC, the HP 260LXC palmtop PC, is expected to be available in
> early
> > 1998.
> >    For owners of the popular, award-winning HP 200LX palmtop PC, who
> > purchased their units at any time, HP offers a free 260LX upgrade.
> >  Information on HP's upgrade program and additional information on
> HP
> palmtop
> > PCs can be found on the World Wide Web at
> http://www.hp.com/back_on_track, or
> > by calling 800/im-sorry.
> >
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From:         Martin Sebastian <marseb@GIGA.COM.AR>
Subject:      ANNOUNCING HP 260LX

HP>   PALIO  ALTERNATE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 1st, 1997--
HP>Hewlett-Packard Company today introduced the HP 260LX Palmtop PC with
HP>Micro$oft(r) DOS 6.2, expanding to its award-winning family of DOS Palmtop
HP>PCs.
HP>   HP leads the palmtop PC market by concentrating on key customer
HP>needs, such as screen size, quality, total cost of ownership, and a variaty
HP>of operating systems.  The HP 260LX offers such breakthrough features as a
HP>full-width, 16-greyscale, high-contrast screen with natural-white backlight.
HP> In late 1997, HP expects to further enhance its palmtop PC line with the HP
HP>260LXC, a
HP>color-display model.
HP>   "HP is a recognized leader in the palmtop PC category, having
HP>now turned from Windozs CE to deliver a full-width, 640- x 240-pixel screen
HP>to the DOS market," said Dennis Hamann, worldwide marketing manager of HP's
HP>Asia Pacific PC Division.  "By advancing the role of the DOS palmtop and
HP>offering a new color model, HP substantially advances its leadership positio
HP>in the
HP>handheld industry."

HP>THE HP 260LX PALMTOP PC BREAKS GROUND

HP>   Based on the DOS 6.2 operating system, the HP 260LX offers corporate
HP>customers significant advantages in mobile computing, including easy PC
HP>synchronization and compatibility with familiar 3rd party business
HP>applications.
HP>   HP will not need to to deliver new software to manage the HP
HP>260LX palmtop PC as a component on the business, scientific or educational
HP>environment.  The ability to support fully mature software will lower a
HP>corporation's total cost of ownership of computing products, while giving
HP>network administrators a simple, standardized means of managing the computin
HP>assets.
HP>   Other advantages of the HP 260LX palmtop PC include the high-contrast
HP>display with 16 grey shades, increasing visibility and clarity. A month-view
HP>PIM has been standard for years. A dedicated storage slot for CompactFlash
HP>cards will leave the PC card slot free for a modem connection.  The HP260LX
HP>palmtop PC also comes with 16MB of RAM; 10MB of ROM; and an improved Hornet
HP>chip with an integrated 80486 class processor, which significantly enhances
HP>performance and speed.

HP>HP'S GROWING PALMTOP PC FAMILY:  VALUE, PERFORMANCE AND COLOR

HP>   HP secured and solidified its industry leadership with products such as
HP>its scientific calculator, circa 1972, and its DOS-based palmtop PCs.  HP
HP>took the handheld category down a blind alley with the introduction of its
HP>Micro$oft Windows CE-based palmtop PCs -- including the HP 320LX, the first
HP>wide-screen, Windows CE palmtop PC. HP is no correcting its admitted error b
HP>bringing the useful features of its HP 300LX series to the DOS environment.
HP> Coming in late 1997, HP's palmtop PC family will further advance the
HP>industry with the addition of a color-display model, the HP 260LXC palmtop
HP>PC.

HP>AVAILABILITY, PRICING AND SUPPORT

HP>   The HP 260LX palmtop PC is expected to ship in late 1997 and will be
HP>available through corporate resellers, as well as retail locations.  The HP
HP>260LX has an estimated street price of $499 (U.S.).  The low initial price i
HP>intended to appologize to the 200lx's loyal customer base for the foolish
HP>foray into the WinCE OS.  It is backed by a ten-year unlimited warranty that
HP>offers same-day, express-pickup-and-delivery service.  HP's color-display
HP>palmtop PC, the HP 260LXC palmtop PC, is expected to be available in early
HP>1998.
HP>   For owners of the popular, award-winning HP 200LX palmtop PC, who
HP>purchased their units at any time, HP offers a free 260LX upgrade.
HP> Information on HP's upgrade program and additional information on HP palmto
HP>PCs can be found on the World Wide Web at http://www.hp.com/back_on_track, o
HP>by calling 800/im-sorry.


   For a moment, i thought, this was true, but....it was to good to be
   real.... :(

   The announcing of the 620lx, is real ?


   martin
   marseb@giga.com.ar

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LX stands for "Lotus eXpandable."  Since it had Lotus 1-2-3 and a
PCMCIA slot.  Read the very first editorial on my web site... I think=
 I
wrote a little about it.

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One major objection I can see being raised is the fact that desktop=
 PCs
would be located at the schools, while palmtops would be carried with
the students.  This would make palmtops subject to damage, theft, being
pawned, etc.  Perhaps some sort of "pay-a-deposit" program could be
implemented.

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1.   A)HP200LX with Mack 2x/8meg upgrade 10meg FlashRam Card
     B)HP200LX 2 meg 10meg ACE FlashRam Card

2.      A)SG627
        B)SG605

3.   A) 6 months
     B) 5 months

4.   Purchased both used

5.    NO CRACK on either unit

6.    A) ~20 times/day
      B) ~3 times/day

7.    A) This is my main unit. Sits on my desk at work when not hauled
around. Used for usual PIM functions and spreadsheet usage. Get toted
around as a terminal for admnistering the over 200 SUN SPARCS in my domain.
My cohorts also use it as a terminal.  So far no accidents to report.
Otherwise I pack it in a softcase that get tossed into my briefcase.

        B)Backup unit. Use it to test software. Presently trying to get a network
card to connect to my tcp/ip network.  Safely kept on my desk at home.

8.  On a scale of 1 to 5, how stiff is the hinge?
        Both units rate a 3.
     3 - Shell open at 90 degrees, pick up unit by screen top, with a
moderate shake downward, shell opens further.



Mark Sailer
212-449-9351

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Hi, everyone

I was using until now a IBM (SanDisK) TPF 15MB flash card stacked to
28MB. As space was getting scarce I bought a IBM SSF 40 MB card from
Pretec. I have several questions for those who are already using this
card:

1. When I used the card in my notebook it was recognized not as a flash
card but as a IDE device and it installed a driver I suppose was in=
 the
card itself in a hidden directory. Question: can I format this card=
 on
the palmtop if the need arises? And can I compress it with stacker when
I need to?

2. Has anyone experienced a shorter battery life with this Pretec card?
I have not used a set of batteries yet but I noticed that the drop in
voltage after the first use of the serial port was bigger than that
with the previous card. Does this Pretec card draws more power from=
 the
200LX?

Any information and comments would be appreciated.

Antonio

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The notebook running Windows will recognize it as a "standard IDE
controller."  That's why they're called ATA flash; they're just like=
 a
standard ATA hard drive, to the OS.  It'll format fine in the 200LX
with FDISK100 and format.  As to the voltage drop, a genuine Pretec
card doesn't use that much.  But an IBM card might.

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Lotus eXpandable

Ian Butler
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This sounds like just what I've been looking for. Could someone tell me were you found it.

Glen Bergs
Atlanta GA

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>Yesterday I downloaded a program called CBCALC.EXM (Ver.0.02 ClipBoard
>CALC by Mr.Eiichiroh Itoh.) from a Japanese server.
>But!! Is they anyone out there who know how it works??

I installed it to Application Manager and gave it a shortcut key
combination.

In MEMO (or elsewhere?) you highlight the calculation eg: 1+2+3
and press FnCOPY.  Now 1+2+3 is in the clipboard.

You press the shortcut key combination which runs the CBCALC program and
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Now the clipboard contains the result.

You move the cursor to where you want the result, and press FnPASTE and
hey-presto, it pastes 6

best regds
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On 16 Oct , Lynn M. Cavendish wrote:
>    PALIO  ALTERNATE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 1st, 1997--
> Hewlett-Packard Company today introduced the HP 260LX Palmtop PC with
> Micro$oft(r) DOS 6.2, expanding to its award-winning family of DOS Palmtop
> PCs.

One word.  Sick.


:-)
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Using the Transfile Win 200 to transfer files from my
desktop, I copied a 40K zip to ram just fine. Butr to the
flash card, I would get corrupted zips, truncated files and
dropped connections. The card is a 4 meg Intel Series 2+
that is about 80% full. I don't know if my results apply
to other cards. When the card is in my laptop, I do notice
an occasional pause in a copy.

I wonder if a defragmenter would help, or even if it makes
any sense?

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I have been able to copy to/from a SRAM card using TW200 w/o problems.

--- On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:07:19 -0500  Stan Peters <speters@KDSI.NET> wrote:

>Using the Transfile Win 200 to transfer files from my
>desktop, I copied a 40K zip to ram just fine. Butr to the
>flash card, I would get corrupted zips, truncated files and
>dropped connections. The card is a 4 meg Intel Series 2+
>that is about 80% full. I don't know if my results apply
>to other cards. When the card is in my laptop, I do notice
>an occasional pause in a copy.
>
>I wonder if a defragmenter would help, or even if it makes
>any sense?
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I am thinking about buying a 12MB flash RAM card and I have a couple of questions:

1. Other than price, do flash RAM cards have any other advantages or SRAM?

2. Are writes to flash RAM cards reliable?

   There have been some postings in the past about unreliable writes to RAM cards and I was
   wondering if this was to flash RAM cards.  My experience with SRAM cards has been that
   they are 100% reliable and hopefully this also applies to flash RAM.

3. What is a good source of flash RAM cards?

Thanks.
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           10/16/97 7:47:54 PM EDT
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Here's my PSA for all you 200 people:

GUARD YOUR 200 WITH YOUR LIFE.

Those things are _expensive._  Today I turned my back
on mine and it was _gone_.  I can't believe this.  The time
I've spent using that thing was the one bright point in my
life, and now, nothing.  I've felt better at _funerals_ than
I have today.

To add injury to injury, I might add here that my 48G was
stolen at the same time.

Gad.
 :(


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Murray Barton wrote:

> On 16 Oct , Lynn M. Cavendish wrote:
> >    PALIO  ALTERNATE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 1st, 1997--
> > Hewlett-Packard Company today introduced the HP 260LX Palmtop PC with
> > Micro$oft(r) DOS 6.2, expanding to its award-winning family of DOS Palmtop
> > PCs.
>
> One word.  Sick.
>

Another word - clever! Certainly worth owning! Also, it beats bashing HP for
reading the "technology tea leaves" like everyone else!

stevep@accessus.net

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<< Today I turned my back
on mine and it was _gone_.  I can't believe this.<snip> I've felt better =
at
_funerals_ than
I have today.>>

I feel your pain. Something like that happened to me once. I eventually g=
ot
it back, but was lost without it for a few days. It's worse with laptops.=

Lesson: keep it on you at all times, because you can.

     Carl

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     Hi!
     Well I was not going to tell, but here it is. Yesterday morning I went
     shopping at our local Home Base Hardware store. Came out with some
     bulky stuff and my Palmtop nice and need in a leather case was in the
     way. So I put it on the top of the car and yes I drove away without
     first latching on to my 200LX. Got home and now I was looking for the
     Palmtop no where to be found. Back to Home Base I went no one had seen
     my trusty machine. Now in that leather case are my drivers license,
     Military ID card, two credit cards, my second Flash card ETC. I was
     down in the dumps like never before. Went to work late 6:00PM. at 6:30
     PM I got a phone call. Answered it and a male voice says did you loose
     something this morning? Yes, Yes do have a black leather case one side
     billfold the other a computer. The voice tells me his address and I
     can pick it up this morning because he is also going to work. Sure
     enough this morning went to the address and he gave me my Palmtop. All
     the money credit cards everything there. Now this Palmtop owner is
     back in heaven.

     Helmut in Colorado


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Author:  Non-HP-ianrb (ianrb@CASPERS.NET) at HP-ColSprings,mimegw1
Date:    10/16/97 5:45 PM


Here's my PSA for all you 200 people:

GUARD YOUR 200 WITH YOUR LIFE.

Those things are _expensive._  Today I turned my back
on mine and it was _gone_.  I can't believe this.  The time
I've spent using that thing was the one bright point in my
life, and now, nothing.  I've felt better at _funerals_ than
I have today.

To add injury to injury, I might add here that my 48G was
stolen at the same time.

Gad.
 :(


Ian Butler
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
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Subject:      New Palmtop? E.Com Discovery

I was just looking through my backlog of weekly pc mags and I came across
an article that was very interesting. In the August 11, 1997 (Volume 14,
Number 34) issue of PCWeek on page 8 there is an article about a new
palmtop computer from an Oregon based startup, E.Com International, called
Discovery. The specs look rather interesting but the price is a little
steep. It is described as a 28oz palmtop with both keyboard and touch
screen input. It has an AMD386 running at 33MHz, a backlit LCD 480x320,
runs DOS6.22 and Windows3.1 and has a build in Motorola DataTAC wireless
modem for access to Email and the WEB via the ARDIS radio network. It
also has a NiMH battery with advanced power management to allow it to
run for 30 hours while sending and receiving data via the radio modem. It
states that it can run up to 100 hours in standby mode. The major drawbacks
as I see them are the weight, 28 ounces, and the price which is projected
to be $1200. The company also says they will run the 32 bit version of
Windows CE when it is available early next year. This might be something to
look into, of course the company may have already disappeared as startups
often do.

Pete


Peter W. Borders

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Tidewater Community College

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: 1. Other than price, do flash RAM cards have any other advantages or SRAM?

SRAM writes quicker, flash wears out after 1-2 million writes (to a byte).
So
it (flash) will last for quite a while, but not forever.

: 2. Are writes to flash RAM cards reliable?

Apparently if you have flat voltage curve batteries (ie nicads.)  Otherwise,
with cards that eat up a lot of power, the computer can drop into deep sleep
on a big write.

:    There have been some postings in the past about unreliable writes to
RAM
: cards and I was
:    wondering if this was to flash RAM cards.  My experience with SRAM
cards
: has been that
:    they are 100% reliable and hopefully this also applies to flash RAM.

SRAM cards are 100% reliable.  Flash is a "super EEPROM"-- it's nice and
holds up for quite a while, but can wear out.  Note that it won't wear out
if
you're just reading stuff off it.  Also, as I said before, flash sucks
power when
you write because it has to "fry" the old data before it can "burn-in" new
stuff.

Most flash cards will tell you how many writes they get in a lifetime,
and all that I know about have unlimited reads.

: 3. What is a good source of flash RAM cards?

I wish I knew.

Ian Butler
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
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On Hinges:

1. Model: HP200LX - 2MB.
2. Manufactured: 39th week of '95 (539).
3. Owned: 19 months (since Mar 96);
   not used much in first 9 months.
4. Purchased: New.
5. Crack: None (yet).
6. Opened: Varies tremendously; most days 10-30 times.
7. Accidents+Storage: No serious falls (yet).
   Kept on desk or in inside jacket pocket.
8. Hinge: 3-4 (opens a bit further on moderate shake).

Other notes:
1. One fall (that I remember) about 3 feet to a good carpet.
2. Unit usually opened at the latch; latch a bit mushy but still holds.
3. Shut almost every time I turn it off (which is almost every time I
   use it); it gets opened a _lot_.
4. Hinge pressure seems even; hinge has loosened somewhat over time.

I'm sending this to the list (sorry David) because I'm following
the responses avidly.

Thanks.

S.Todd

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mdstockr wrote:
>
> I am thinking about buying a 12MB flash RAM card and I have a couple of questions:
>
> 1. Other than price, do flash RAM cards have any other advantages or SRAM?
>
> 2. Are writes to flash RAM cards reliable?
>
>    There have been some postings in the past about unreliable writes to RAM cards and I was
>    wondering if this was to flash RAM cards.  My experience with SRAM cards has been that
>    they are 100% reliable and hopefully this also applies to flash RAM.
>
> 3. What is a good source of flash RAM cards?
>
> Thanks.

A:
1 - Flash RAM is (quite a bit) cheaper & available in larger sizes, But
SRAM does have it's own battery. Notebook owners may consider this to be
a disadvantage, but I have ordered a 1meg SRAM for $30 used for this
very reason. They do not kill the precious batteries on your palmtop. I
intend on using my modem and an SRAM card in my doubleslot on the 200LX.
The modem draws enough power as it is, and it will be nice to know the
sram card isn't adding to that draw. I think that Flash RAM is fine, but
that one should also have an SRAM card on hand for low power use.

Darren.

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Ian Butler wrote:
>
> Here's my PSA for all you 200 people:
>
> GUARD YOUR 200 WITH YOUR LIFE.
>
> Those things are _expensive._  Today I turned my back
> on mine and it was _gone_.  I can't believe this.  The time
> I've spent using that thing was the one bright point in my
> life, and now, nothing.  I've felt better at _funerals_ than
> I have today.
>
> To add injury to injury, I might add here that my 48G was
> stolen at the same time.
>
> Gad.
>  :(
I feel for ya, man.

Probably a year ago no one would even be enticed by the thing sitting
there, or even know what it was or what it's value was to think to steal
it. Really, we have the proliferation of winCE devices to thank for
that. Yeah -- lets blame Microsoft. That is sort of sarcasm but not
entirely.

Darren.

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Ian Butler wrote:

> GUARD YOUR 200 WITH YOUR LIFE.
>
> Those things are _expensive._  Today I turned my back
> on mine and it was _gone_.  I can't believe this.  The time

I know the feeling.  I bought mine in Sept. 1996 (actually, I had one
before, but had to sell it in summer 1995, after running out of money.
:)  Anyway, I put all of my notes in it for my first semester of
college.  Two weeks after I bought it, on a Saturday, I went to review
for a big test on Monday.  Unit wouldn't turn on.  CTRL-SHIFT-ON didn't
work.  Took out the batteries... didn't work.  Left them out for
hours... didn't work.  In desperation, I went to Office Depot and bought
a 1MB model on my credit card to tide me over until I could exchange the
2MB version.  When I got home, I opened up my old unit, popped in the
batteries, and it came up fine.  Didn't even lose the data!  Needless to
say, the 1MB model found its way back to Office Depot the same day.

Okay, now here's an idea.  What if we started up a little palmtop
insurance group?  The 200LX's are durable enough that it could actually
work.  We could set up a dedicated savings account and have each person
put in a small amount, such as $50.  Then, if your palmtop ever fails
and isn't under warranty, you could draw the repair fee out of the
account.
Of course, I'm not an expert in finance or insurance or anything...
maybe I'm way off base here.  Anybody got any ideas?

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Subject:      nostalgy.......old games for palmtop.....

hi dear palmtoppers !

looking for old games, in "abandonware" sites, i've downloaded tons of
old games since 1987 and older

they run fine on the palmtop, and they are small-size too.

i have : prince on persia 1
         motocross
         rally
         tons of cars "racing" games
         and all kind of adventure, action, and "thinking" games, etc.

if anyone is interested, drop me a line here, or in my private email

remember that i'll make a zip file with all the games, you have to
choose what you need, from there, sorry for this, but is the only way to
make it faster, for you, and for me.

and please wait a couple of days for delivery.... :)



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I remember GEOS for the C-64 and thought it was cool. I have been trying
to find a version that works on the 200LX, but have only found stuff
related to zoomer and Nokia 9000 and GEOBook - promo's basically. I did
find New Deal's site, apparently they now run Geoworks, but they seem
only to have a version 2.01 for a 286 or better. I wonder does anyone
out there use GEOS, or know where I can get an older Version for the
'186?

Darren.

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Darren Frick wrote:

> I remember GEOS for the C-64 and thought it was cool. I have been trying
> to find a version that works on the 200LX, but have only found stuff
> related to zoomer and Nokia 9000 and GEOBook - promo's basically. I did
> find New Deal's site, apparently they now run Geoworks, but they seem
> only to have a version 2.01 for a 286 or better. I wonder does anyone
> out there use GEOS, or know where I can get an older Version for the
> '186?


I remember a thread about this a while back.  People put Geoworks Ensemble
on the 200LX, but I never heard any more about it.  I think one problem was
that you couldn't turn the unit off until you exited Geos.
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Add me to the list,

Cheers,
Lucy Leong
Singapore

On Thursday, 16 October, 1997 9:07 PM, Carl Merkle
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> << In a nutshell, we need to produce
> a world list of current users (real names) who are prepared to give an
> indication of intent to buy an upgrade. >>

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On 1997-10-13 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddvteach@digital.
net
   >>wimpy for my needs.  I currently use Music Printer Plus,
   >>a programs which I purchased from USENET.  It prints
   >>profesional       quality scores, input is via on-screen
   >>sheet music, MIDI files,       or a MIDI instrument (such
   >>as a Roland keyboard).  It outputs       to printer, midi
   >file, score file, or directly to a midi output       device
   >>>       Music Printer Plus, like other excellent DOS music
   >>programs, is       apparently no longer available, but
   >>there are several ways to       obtain it used (like I did.
   >>I had to haggle a bit to get the       $75 price I paid,
   >because the original retail price is $500). Wow, if they
   >could seel it for $500, it must have been pretty
   >excellently non-wimpy! Sounds very good - can it output a
   >post-script file?

   Sorry, no.  but it can print to laser, inkjet & dotmatrix
   printers.

   >And what might some of these several ways
   >be to obtain it?

   1-Post a WTB on USENET.  Risky, but that's how I got mine.
   2-Find a closeout or used software outlet.   There are
   several on the net (I don't have a desktop now, so I cannot
   search for you.  Surplus Software rings a bell.)

   >I'm seriously looking into using the MuTex and MusicTex
   >additions for LaTeX on a unix system - other LaTeX output
   >is beautiful, but it all looks like an awful look of
   >trouble to install...


   I tried that long ago, and I found it extremely unintuitive.

   Domingo
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   >Won't print from dos or Lotus 123- apparently only apps
   >written w/ the PAL Libraries like Memo and Appointment book.

   What about non built-in PAL programs?  Or was the PAL thing just
   a slip?

   Domingo

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On 1913 - 1-Mo HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddvteach@digital
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  >Hi! Domingo
   >I was wondering where did you get Works 2.0.

   It came with my now defunct PS1 pc.

   >On another note. How do you have your address file setup
   >for Net-Tamer does it let you include a full name and
   >address say like:
   >Quinton Jones Jr <qman@earthlink.net>

   Just:
   ddvteach@digital.net
   Any further information is probably added by my provider.

   Domingo

   >Regards,
   >Qman
   >HP 100/LX Computing in the palm of your hands

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On 1997-10-14 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddvteach@digital.
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   >Check out:
   >http://www.liszt.com
   >Mikhail
   >----------
   >> Date: October 14, 1997 1:05 AM
   >> Does anyone know of a way to find out what E-Mail
   >>ListServers like this  one exist?  I am looking in
   >particular for a Visual Basic List server. If
   >> I found one that was half as active and focussed as this
   >>one, I would be  VERY happy.

   I could live without USENET with a resource such as the one
   above, if only I had a program that allowed messages to expire
   after a time, and that allowed a *simple* way to delete threads
   (a la TIN).   No email program in the world does that, afaik.

   Please prove me wrong, somebody!

   Domingo

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 >3. Has anyone used wear.exe with a JAMmed drive?


  I also would like to know the answer, as moving parts
  of a jammed drive around would seem to corrupt it.


  Domingo

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On 1997-10-14 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddvteach@digital.
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  >The Isopropyl Alcohol just wipes off the case plastic with
   >no sign of eating
   >into it.
   >After treatment the screen is only slightly firmer to open,
   >not enough to
   >break the case (fingers crossed!)
   >> >   >

   Strange statement, since you quote me correctly below.

   >> >   There was a thread on the old list about how using
   >>*any*  >   alcohol will eventually eat away the plastic,
                             

   >><Snip>  >   Domingo

   >The Isopropyl Alcohol purchased here in NZ comes in a
   >plastic bottle with plastic top which must be a good sign!

   Tony posted recently on the hinge survey about his exploding
   hinge.  He is your man.   I guess you don't realize the big
   difference between the plastic in your palmtop and other
   plastics.

   Domingo

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On 1997-10-11 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddvteach@digital.
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   >Did anyone try the case that comes with the HP48 ?
   >I am using this thing now for about half a year for my lx.
   >For my needs it is the best choice I could make.
   >It is quite tight but there is room for extra AA's and an
   >extra backup battery. An extra PCMCIA-card would fit into
   >in in addition to that. These are the things I like to
   >carry around with me. It looks like I am carrying a cheap
   >hp48 with me, so it prevents my beloved lx from being
   >stolen. I got it for more or less nothing, I think it is
   >the cheapest option one can have.

   That's interesting.   I am still looking for a case that
   would keep my 200 dry, and still fit in my shirt pocket
   (no padding needed).   But I guess that one would not
   qualify . . .

   Domingo

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You should be stripped of your 200LX and put in a room full of 320LX's.
Then have all the stylus' taken away for your cruel hoax!

:-{

Marc Maxwell                 Technology Service Solutions
mmaxwel1@ns.tssc.com              Network Services

At 04:03 PM 10/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
>   PALIO  ALTERNATE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 1st, 1997--
>Hewlett-Packard Company today introduced the HP 260LX Palmtop PC with
>Micro$oft(r) DOS 6.2, expanding to its award-winning family of DOS Palmtop
>PCs.

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At 10:10 PM 10/16/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I remember GEOS for the C-64 and thought it was cool. I have been trying
>to find a version that works on the 200LX, but have only found stuff
>related to zoomer and Nokia 9000 and GEOBook - promo's basically. I did
>find New Deal's site, apparently they now run Geoworks, but they seem
>only to have a version 2.01 for a 286 or better. I wonder does anyone
>out there use GEOS, or know where I can get an older Version for the
>'186?

I have loaded New Deal Office 97 on an ATA card and it will work on
the palmtop but it is pretty slow.  You need to get the program from
the SUPER site that allows you to turn off the palmtop.  I can't
remember the name at the moment...SLEEP maybe?  A problem I had when
using the SLEEP program is the internal clock goes to sleep also and
I had to reset the date/time whenever I shut the palmtop off while
NDO was loaded.

If you have a large enough card (10MB or better) you can try out
their free version (New Deal Publisher) to get a feel for the performance.

Ken Lewis
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> Let's be a little careful here, folks. I've seen this happen before.
> Any of you remember the Commodore Amiga?

> I want the 200LX to continue and evolve. I have a bet with an IBM'er that
> says DOS will outlast OS/2.


I had a look at the article referred to in "Goldern Opportunity" post,
requesting alternatives to WinCE. It talked about the chicken-and-egg
problem of new OS's - but then claimed that the real problem was "neither
fish-nor-fowl": palmtops were too large to be truly convenient (unlike the
hugely successful pilot); and too small to type on easily!

Well, obviously the hp200lx et al. solves the chicken-and-problem (there is
probably much more DOSware around than Win95 & Win3.1 combined); but
that's not the real problem in that writer's opinion.

On the 'real problem' of size, the hp200lx is the best of the bunch in weight
etc; BUT the keyboard is much smaller than it need be: all those function
keys and the numeric pad. I know it's useful at times, but so is a larger
keyboard - and it gets used a lot more often.

A Newton keyboard does solve this half of the problem - but at the cost
of a cable and almost doubling the weight and size. Not a mainstream
solution.


The hp200lx family is cool. There is no doubt about it. But it is more like
something imagined from the last century than the next...

I too would like the 200LX evolve. But I don't think it will.
HP might make the most minor improvements (eg more memory); but they won't
undertake a bigger project like redesigning the keyboard. Nor make another
edition of the whole thing, integrating software, hardware IO, etc, etc.

Most people found DOS hard to use; it's not coming back. But it will
remain a backwater for enthusiasts; just like the Amiga. Only much, much
bigger.


A unix or NT palmtop will be the next big thing. 5 years. Til then,
nothing will touch the hp200lx.

Just my HO.

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> I remember a thread about this a while back.  People put Geoworks Ensemble
> on the 200LX, but I never heard any more about it.  I think one problem was
> that you couldn't turn the unit off until you exited Geos.

Anyone know where we could get Geoworks Ensemble for the HP?  I guess it
might be abandonware at this point but I can't find it anywhere...

j.

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<<You should be stripped of your 200LX and put in a room full of 320LX's.=

Then have all the stylus' taken away for your cruel hoax!>>

>   PALIO  ALTERNATE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 1st, 1997--
>Hewlett-Packard Company today introduced the HP 260LX Palmtop PC with
>Micro$oft(r) DOS 6.2, expanding to its award-winning family of DOS Palmt=
op
>PCs.

Actually I thought it was quite clever and thoughful. Interesting parody.=


      Carl

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        Well, the HP 200LX comes with a global password, and "manual" and
"automatic" settings, in addition to the passwords that one may set on
one's Quicken files. Before leaving the house I always - when I remember
at least - activate the global password, and the flash card (with recent
backups) remains at home, so exposure is somewhat reduced over what would
have been possible otherwise. I have a 4 Meg. model, and the flash card
is used as a sort of cache between my palmtop and my desktop.
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At 22:43 16/10/97 -0300, you wrote:
>hi dear palmtoppers !
>
>looking for old games, in "abandonware" sites, i've downloaded tons of
>old games since 1987 and older
>
>they run fine on the palmtop, and they are small-size too.
>
>i have : prince on persia 1
>         motocross
>         rally
>         tons of cars "racing" games
>         and all kind of adventure, action, and "thinking" games, etc.
>
>if anyone is interested, drop me a line here, or in my private email
>
>remember that i'll make a zip file with all the games, you have to
>choose what you need, from there, sorry for this, but is the only way to
>make it faster, for you, and for me.
>
>and please wait a couple of days for delivery.... :)
>
>
>
>martin
>marseb@giga.com.ar
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Hello Martin,
Thanks for sending the zip file.

Olivier

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Comments:     Originally-From: jim.henry@airgunhq.com (Jim Henry)
From:         PALMTOPS@AIRGUNHQ.COM
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Andreas,

AH>due to your mail I recognize that FIDONET has got a PALMTOPS area.
  >Please tell me if it is worth to link to this area and were to receive
  >this area. My fido address is 2:240/1042.10

AH>Regards
  >Andreas Hense
  >Motorola Electronic GmbH
  >Finance Department
  >Eckenerstr. 28
  >D-24939 Flensburg

     The FidoNet PALMTOPS Echo is not yet a backboned echo but rather
is privately distributed to several systems which carry it. if you
wanted it you'd have to poll here for it (1:273/408).  However since
the PALMTOPS echo and the HPLX-L list are now gated to each other, the
traffic will be the same either way. <g>

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(610)259-2193 - BBS  | Home of AIRGUN*HQ (tm)  Fido 1:273/408
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  jim@airgunhq.com    jim@airpower.com

 * 1st 2.00 ~ The 4 food groups: Fast, frozen, instant and microwaved.

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              200LX
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At 07:47 AM 10/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>ZDNet has just published a very interesting article about why you should
NOT buy a WinCE unit
>today at:
>
>    http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/story/story_1354.html
>
>Also, they are offering an opportunity for readers to provide feedback
about what their ideal
>palmtop would be.  They also state that they will publish some of the
better responses.


Thanks for the tip.  I posted some feedback telling them why the HP 200LX
is already
my ideal palmtop.



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Ear Trainer-software to improve your ear (HP 200LX or desktop PCs)
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I'm sure it can be done.  You have to export the phone book
to a comma delimited file or a flat file.

In FoxPro you can say:

    Append FROM <filename> <option>

In place of <option> you put something like -sdf or -delimited
Can't remember exactly.  You can check the FoxPro helpfile
look for "import"

When in FoxPro after load the table into memory,
you can give the command:

    COPY TO <filename> <option>

In a similar way, replace <option> with the appropriate key word

At 09:14 PM 10/16/97 +0800, you wrote:
>Can the files of dBase and phone book be converted to dBase file for Visual
>FoxPro 3.0 and vice versa?  Appreciating advice.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Raymond
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Not true.  I had never used an HP95, HP100, or 200LX.  I chose the 200LX
because of some of the
fine comments you guys made on your web pages.  I did my research and found
out
about the superiority of the 200LX before I had touched either one.  We
just need to educate
those dis at the local computer store, too.


At 10:35 PM 10/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Let's face it. Those who have never used an HP95, 100 or 200LX will
probably never pursue a 200LX over a WINCE unit. Especially if the kids who
sell hardware at the local computer store has anything to do with it. On
the other hand, those who have enjoyed the versitility of the HP200LX PIM
with Month-at-a-glance, etc, etc. will (like myself) easily return to the
DOS platform. What amazes me is that it took the latest version to include
the month-at-a-glance. Are we really supposed to assume that this was one
feature that was just overlooked in between that HP200LX and the latest? I
think that what we have just witnessed is BRILLIANT marketing.
>
>Ken Moore
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I hope you gave him a reward!

At 06:50 PM 10/16/97 -0600, you wrote:
>     Hi!
>     Well I was not going to tell, but here it is. Yesterday morning I went
>     shopping at our local Home Base Hardware store. Came out with some
>     bulky stuff and my Palmtop nice and need in a leather case was in the
>     way. So I put it on the top of the car and yes I drove away without
 (snip)

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>    Tony posted recently on the hinge survey about his exploding
>    hinge.  He is your man.   I guess you don't realize the big
>    difference between the plastic in your palmtop and other
>    plastics.

My 100LX hinge just got floppier and floppier and finally lost all
friction over 3 months or so. Then I took off the cap and the spring
shot off never to be found again. That was the first time I had taken
off the cap - it had not been sprayed at all with CRC or anything.

My 200LX on the other hand got stiffer and stiffer and I could see =
the
strain on the right support so I used CRC to loosen it. 5 months after
that one tiny quirt it is still sonsistently smooth to open and close.

About these oils that "eat" plastic.. how voracious are they? I can
uunderstand that repeated suirts of CRC would likely be harmful but =
one
a year should be OK? I mean is the effect cummulative with each
movement or something? I imagine it is a chemical reaction and surely
that would happen inside a week?

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Brendan Macmillan  wrote:

>>...BUT the keyboard is much smaller than it need be: all those function=

keys and the numeric pad. I know it's useful at times, but so is a larger=

keyboard - and it gets used a lot more often.
=2E..
HP... won't undertake a bigger project like redesigning the keyboard.<<

Hey, keep your (rhetorical) paws off my keyboard!

I bought my HP200LX _because_ of the keyboard; I hate using a
calculator (which I do a lot) without a numeric keypad. With the 200LX, I=

have
my PDA + financial calculator in one package.

Yes, there are often times when I agree with you absolutely--I'd really
like to a
bigger keyboard. But (after many years and many PDAs) I realize that I
can't have it
all in a small package, and the 200LX is the best compromise for me at th=
e
moment.

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I've recently written a new "thought for the day" program.

It's a simple DOS program that displays a new inspiring
thought each time you run it.

One new feature is that when the thought (or quote) is
displayed, you can type your own material directly below the
displayed quote and the new quote it will be added to the
original quote file.

If any one would like a copy on a shareware donation basis,
let me know and I will send you one.

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>    >additions for LaTeX on a unix system - other LaTeX output
>    >is beautiful, but it all looks like an awful look of
>    >trouble to install...
>
>    I tried that long ago, and I found it extremely unintuitive.

The calculation is pretty simple:

If you want to be able to have the software installed within minutes
and you want to be able to start typing something within minutes, but
can live with loooong times to produce a text and many hours of
formatting and if you can live with a mediocre result on the paper, =
use
one of the wysiwyg text processors such as WinWord.

If you don't mind investing a few hours to install the software and =
a
few more hours to learn what it is all about, but if it is important =
to
you that you can (after the initial learning phase) efficiently create =
a
document with a minimum effort for formatting and if it is important
for you that the output on paper looks professional, use something =
like
LaTeX.

I use LaTeX on my palmtop, BTW. I find it funny that I can create
documents on my palmtop that really look good when printed and my
collegues worry around with WinWord on super fast computers and end =
up
with a visually inferior output :-)

Andreas D&A

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Dear Andreas,

"I use LaTeX on my palmtop, BTW." said Andreas disarmingly.

What!? Hello! Quick, Quick, /Please/ tell me how to do it!!

I've got the DOS distribution from SimTel (vers 3.141....), but it
is daunting and confusing me. I've only just starting using LaTeX
itself in the last week (installed on unix at Uni), so I'm a complete novice.

Can you give me an idea of how much disk space it occupies, and how
fast it runs on the palmtop? And how long it took you to install it (so
I am prepared for the effort...!)

Thank you thank you thank you

> Andreas D&A

--
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                                                bren@cs.monash.edu.au

PS
> I find it funny that I can create documents on my palmtop that really
> look good when printed and my collegues worry around with WinWord on
> super fast computers and end up with a visually inferior output :-)

Now, that's the kind of humour I appreciate! I somehow feel a great
affinity between the hp200lx and old unix ware - they probably had a
similar amount of processing power available at the time...!

PPS does anyone know when the most powerful computer in the world was
less powerful than a hp200lx?

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>    >>wimpy for my needs.  I currently use Music Printer Plus,
> ...LaTeX?...
>
>    I tried that long ago, and I found it extremely unintuitive.

Yes, I think you are right: it's a typesetter for compiler writers!
But I'm reading the very cool Dragon compiler book at the moment, and
it's typeset by LaTeX - and now an article of mine is in the same style!

I've also heard of several people in our computer science department
who spent up to a year really learning the ins and outs of LaTeX,
only to finally throw it out frustration because it just wouldn't do
what they wanted.

But at this point in my life, I'm happy to let LaTeX make these layout
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Dear Sirs,
I would very much appreciate if you could stop to include my self in your mailing list.
Your confirmation by return will be appreciated
Thanks
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Well we could always tar and feather him in effigy if he does not
produce the new palmtops for us.

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What=B4s WEAR.EXE?

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Please send me the thought of the day program. Thanks!!!

73 de KF4KGQ
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    **This message was sent via UNIX, PINE and an HP200LX Palmtop PC !!!**

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>    PALIO  ALTERNATE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 1st, 1997--
> Hewlett-Packard Company today introduced the HP 260LX Palmtop PC with

   +----------------------------------------------+
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Congratulations folks, you are first winners of the "Thoughtless Quoting"
award.  This prestigious recognition is given to those that waste space
in the list by quoting 100% of a previous message when just a couple
of lines would do MUCH better. (See my 2 line example above.)

There have been several posts by various people requesting all of us
to edit the info from the referenced message before quoting it in a new
message.

I'm not trying to make enemies (although I possibly just have) but I'm
tired of seeing multiple FULL copies of many of the posts to the list.
Please learn how to use your 'delete line' key on any message you want
to quote.  You can practice on this message as I'm very off topic.

...I now return you to normal HPLX discussions...

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Subject:      Re: carrying case

actually target sells a nylon case for walkmans that fits the lx
perfectly, and it's $10. i think case logic makes it.

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>
> On 1997-10-11 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddvteach@digital.
> net
>    >Did anyone try the case that comes with the HP48 ?
>    >I am using this thing now for about half a year for my lx.
>    >For my needs it is the best choice I could make.
>    >It is quite tight but there is room for extra AA's and an
>    >extra backup battery. An extra PCMCIA-card would fit into
>    >in in addition to that. These are the things I like to
>    >carry around with me. It looks like I am carrying a cheap
>    >hp48 with me, so it prevents my beloved lx from being
>    >stolen. I got it for more or less nothing, I think it is
>    >the cheapest option one can have.
>
>    That's interesting.   I am still looking for a case that
>    would keep my 200 dry, and still fit in my shirt pocket
>    (no padding needed).   But I guess that one would not
>    qualify . . .
>
>    Domingo
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At 07:27 AM 10/17/97 +0800, you wrote:
>On 16 Oct , Lynn M. Cavendish wrote:
>>    PALIO  ALTERNATE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 1st, 1997--
>> Hewlett-Packard Company today introduced the HP 260LX Palmtop PC with
>> Micro$oft(r) DOS 6.2, expanding to its award-winning family of DOS Palmtop
>> PCs.
>
>One word.  Sick.
>

SICK???         NOT!!
Now only it was true, we would all be happy!

Mark Sailer
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Older flash RAM cards had a much more limited write life (~50,000 writes or=
 so).  This program=20
distributed the writes over the whole media so that one small area did not =
see a large number of=20
writes in a small period of time.  This helped increase the overall service=
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the card.

Newer flash RAM cards do not need this utility.

--- On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:56:56 +0000  Celson Nonato Cruz de Aquino <celso=
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>What=B4s WEAR.EXE?
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On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:47:09,
        David Sargeant <afp@CRYOGEN.COM> Wrote:

> ...Okay, now here's an idea.  What if we started up a little
> palmtop insurance group?...

I actually thought the same thing when I read Ian's post.
Perhaps Thaddeus might be interested in such a venture. I would shell
out $50/yr to cover theft or failure.

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i'm in after loosing an lx last year.

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>         David Sargeant <afp@CRYOGEN.COM> Wrote:
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> > ...Okay, now here's an idea.  What if we started up a little
> > palmtop insurance group?...
>
> I actually thought the same thing when I read Ian's post.
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I feel your pain, too.  A year and a half ago, one night, I carelessly left
my apt sliding door unlocked (in a safe town).  My bag with both my 100LX
and an Omnibook 300, two 20MB flash cards and a modem, GONE!.  We were home
at the time, heard someone enter just after midnight.  I yelled for them to
leave, called 911 -- after fixing a detached cord (kids...gave me a heart
attack thinking the cord was cut intentionally.)

After the scare I thought, yes the 100lx/OB300 loss was bad, but at least
we were alive.  We moved about three months later.  I spent six months in
hell without any form of portable computing.  It was like going to jail.

Painful.

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On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Russel Brooks wrote:

> I'm not trying to make enemies (although I possibly just have) but I'm
> tired of seeing multiple FULL copies of many of the posts to the list.
> Please learn how to use your 'delete line' key on any message you want
> to quote.  You can practice on this message as I'm very off topic.
>
> ...I now return you to normal HPLX discussions...
>
> Russ  (the Friday morning grouch)

But an "on-target" grouch.

Apparently it's harder to break the "full-quote" habit than the "no
binaries" habit. But we keep trying cuz we all want to communicate <g>.

- Longden

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Ian,
Sure sorry to hear about your loss. Wish there was something we could do. I share your pain. Last March my 100LX was stolen right off my desk by one of those so-called solicitors who pretend to sell flowers on business parks. BEWARE! Now I take it with me WHENEVER I leave my desk. Haven't yet come up with a feasible teather. This (security teather) would make an interesting thread. At that time I researched  the market with all of it's glitter and returned to the HP200LX.
Good luck friend.
Ken Moore

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On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Carl Merkle wrote:

> But they have to their great credit said they will continue to make the
> 200LX as long as people continue to buy them.

I've bought three 200LX's in the last 2 years, so hopefully I've done my
part in that regard <g>.

- Longden

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David,


On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:48:26 +1000
David Eggins <deggins@pcug.org.au> wrote:

> My mistake.  On the same topic, is it even remotely possible to use the IR
> on the LX to scan bar codes?  or am I just dreaming here :)

No.  It racks the resolution for physical pattern.  No scanning, no
focusing mechanism.

Toshiki Sasabe
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I do not remember the correct name, I think it is SafeGuard
 that provides computer insurance against theft/fire/damage.
I have $8K coverage for about $90 a year. If anyone is
interested I will check my files for the name and number.

Stephen Souza
mailto:ssouza@iname.com

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> On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:47:09,
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> > ...Okay, now here's an idea.  What if we started up a little
> > palmtop insurance group?...
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On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Helmut Grossinger wrote:

> Well I was not going to tell, but here it is. Yesterday morning I went

<stuff about losing LX at Home Base>

> The voice tells me his address and I can pick it up this morning because
> he is also going to work. Sure enough this morning went to the address
> and he gave me my Palmtop. All the money credit cards everything there.
> Now this Palmtop owner is back in heaven.

I lost my first one in the same way at Cost Co, but it never found its way
home to me (I bought another with the insurance).

Personally, it's gratifying to hear a testimonial to balance my own
negative experience with human nature. Thanks.

- Longden

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On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Al Kind wrote:

> > ...Okay, now here's an idea.  What if we started up a little
> > palmtop insurance group?...
>
> I actually thought the same thing when I read Ian's post.
> Perhaps Thaddeus might be interested in such a venture. I would shell
> out $50/yr to cover theft or failure.

I like the idea also, but personally $50/yr seems steep. At that price, I
would rather invest in a used backup model.

Personally I would put in about $10 /yr for insurance. Of course this may
not be practical if it turns out we (as a group) are a bad statistical
risk <g>.

- Longden

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It's too bad someone does not take something like the 200LX, and not try to make it faster or add a graphical
interface (which requires more processor).

Instead, invest money on improving the form factor w/o reducing functionality by:
  - Reducing size
  - Reducing weight
  - Reducing power consumption
  - Optimizing screen size
  - Optimizing keyboard
  - Adding backlighting

--- On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:35:03 +1000  Brendan Macmillan <bren@CS.MONASH.EDU.AU> wrote:

>On the 'real problem' of size, the hp200lx is the best of the bunch in weight
>etc; BUT the keyboard is much smaller than it need be: all those function
>keys and the numeric pad. I know it's useful at times, but so is a larger
>keyboard - and it gets used a lot more often.

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On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Ian Butler wrote:

> Those things are _expensive._  Today I turned my back
> on mine and it was _gone_.  I can't believe this.

My condolences also. FWIW, I lost my first LX after about 1.5 yrs and I
was devastated for a couple of days.

Fortunately, I had adopted a simple method of backing up both the C and A
drives only weeks earlier and had done a full backup a week before.

For me (as maybe for you), the theft is covered by homeowner's insurance
and I was able to buy a replacement within a day or two (I'm sure my tone
of voice to the insurance agent convinced her of the urgency). They also
paid to replace all the other pieces including the 20mb flashcard.

In short, after I got the new palmtop and card, I restored everything from
my backup and it was back to business (almost...still needed upgrades,
etc).

The point of this being that if you kept your data backed up, you CAN
recover in a short time vs. a person with no backups (or worse, a paper
organizer). The loss of the LX is quite a shock, but replaceable. Remember
that its essential value to you is in the bytes you store in RAM.

Good luck on rebuilding.

- Longden

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Does anyone know where I can download a copy of the shareware version of Procomm DOS or another
communications program that supports:

    - Scripting
    - Logging
    - 3270 terminal emulation

Thanks.
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  "Michael Stocker" <mdstockr@neo.lrun.com>
           10/17/97 11:05:01 AM EDT
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On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, David Kramer wrote:

> > > So far I've lost two screws.  Oe I was able to bugger up a close match
> > > from a broken radio, but that didn't work very well.  Now I've got a
> > > second missing screw (I found the foot).
> > >
> > > The replacement parts kit does not include screws.  Does anyone have
> > > another source, or at least the exact specs for them?
> >
> > Don't know about exact specs, but I got a package of screws in my $20
> > Palmtop Maintenance Kit from HP. There were 3 screws in a package labeled
> > "0515-2198 (Screw, Machine)" and they're about 1/8" long with a torx head.
>
> I have the parts kit from HP and there were no screws in mine!  Has anyone
> else gotten the parts kit?  Were there screws in it?  Would someone sell
> me one or two?

I've taken the liberty of re-directing this back to the group.

I ordered my kit back in June '97 (HP part #F1216-60998, phone
800-227-8164) for $20, and it came with a pack of screws.

When did you get your parts kit?

Can anyone confirm whether the contents of the parts kit have perhaps
changed in the last few months?

Maybe you can call HP and advise them that the part was missing (unless
this was added only recently).

BTW, my kit included several rubber feet as well.

- Longden

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On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Ken A. Moore wrote:

> Haven't yet come up with a feasible teather. This (security teather)
> would make an interesting thread.

On the topic of stolen/lost LX's, when mine was stolen I wished I had done
a bunch of things to prepare for something like this. Having replaced the
LX with a new one, I see for the most part that most of those "things" are
impractical to me as they interfere with the the way I want to do things.

One thing I would like to solicit ideas on: has anyone come up with a way
to rig a non-passworded LX such that the data on the RAM and disk would be
wiped away if it fell into the wrong hands?

It would have to be:

1) somewhat unobtrusive (I hate to be asked for passwords all the time).
Maybe a password/password verify at the start of the day (like daily
greeting)...tho risky if you tend to forget as I do (that's why I got this
LX in the first place <g>).

2) the deletion should be quick and unobvious or the thief may try to stop
it

3) the deletion should be relatively unrecoverable (ie, can't use
Filer/undelete).

As much as I hate the thought of the thief with the LX in his/her hot
little hands, I shudder even more to think of all my personal data sitting
there for their viewing pleasure (tho I password encrypt my most sensitive
files).

- Longden

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Hello everyone,
    I'm new to the list and have been on for only 2 months and that's
abt the same length I've had my HP 200LX (2meg->6Meg).  The significant
reason for taking so long to purchase one is the lack of the almighty
$(still schooling) and the key decision of whether the HP 320LX was any
better...
Yes I am one of those ppl who own a HP 200LX and am skeptical of it's
future with Win CE taking off. Seems  the only thing kewler abt the 320
like it's backlit screen, besides that nothing seems to be happening? So
just why am I skeptical?
Seems lots of major mags are pushing the 320LX and the 200LX seems to be
something forgotten.  I am technically inclined and I agree with Dave
Hart on the point that the HP 95, 100 and 200LX lot are basically
scientists and financial ppl so where the hell was the numeric keys on
the 320LX?? and where the Hell was the 200LX's calc??(sadly no
Engineering functions on that)
And thanks to Glen Bergs article on the  new HPC...I hope it does come
out...if it ever did I'd do exactly as he did. (=>return my 200LX and
pay the diff)
I was reading some petitions to help spread the good news of the HP
200LX and I am very supportive of it...some one has to do that.  Mags
are just gonna push the 320 cos it's new and to another great extent HP
and other WIN CE developers will try to do the same for their own
models.  I feel that the major push factor comes from microsoft...they
need to be stopped or redirected on this front at all costs.... .

If anyone hears me...please help... .

Cheers
Irving Ian Liao

The future of work consists of learning a living.

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> "I use LaTeX on my palmtop, BTW." said Andreas disarmingly.
>
> What!? Hello! Quick, Quick, /Please/ tell me how to do it!!

"Quick" is difficult <G>. It is NOT trivial to install LaTeX and TeX.

What did I do? If I remember correctly, I first got the TeX
distribution from SimTel (sbtex). I compiled it on the palmtop
according to the included instructions. They were not simple, but
complete enough to get it to work.

Next, I downloaded a DVI-viewer that works on the palmtop. DVIEW did
the trick. The palmtop screen is not really ideal for page previewing,
but it works.

For printing with the Pentax Pocketjet, dvilj2p works nicely.

Finally, I downloaded LaTeX 2.09 and compiled it using the TeX
compiler.

Oh, yes, later on I installed bibtex (from the emtex distribution).

I am afraid you need to dig into the READMEs for more detailed
instruction. If you have a local TeX guru, this might be of great help.

The only thing I can say: once you are through the installation, it
really is great! The formatter is reasonably fast too. The weakest
point is previewing on the small screen.

> Can you give me an idea of how much disk space it occupies, and how

I deleted most unneeded stuff and added quite a few fonts that I
created under Linux and then transfered to the palmtop. All together =
it
takes about 1.5 megs.

> fast it runs on the palmtop? And how long it took you to install =
it (so
> I am prepared for the effort...!)

Speed: reasonably fast. Actually, I was quite surprised. It is just =
a
little slower than the Linux version on a 75Mhz/468 laptop.

It took me about 3 hours to set it up and another 2 hours to prepare
the fonts. However, I was quite familiar with TeX and LaTeX before
that, you it might be wise to calculate a little more.

Good luck!

Andreas D&A

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Can we pls drop the 260 thread?  This pegs the annoyance meter and ranks =
up
there with similar threads about French speakers and Dr. Deming.  Enough
already! And if anyone is compelled to respond to lengthy threads, can we=

exercise some prudence and prune the responses?  Thanks.
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> Congratulations folks, you are first winners of the "Thoughtless Quoting"
> award.  This prestigious recognition is given to those that waste space

Thank you for sharing your FULL thought when "just a couple of lines would
do MUCH better. (See my 2 line example above.)"

p/s: I agree thoroughly but still.........

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Like most of you, I took a look at the WINCE ( ouch ! ) stuff and was
completely underwhelmed and feel that the 200LX is the high-water mark
of mobile computing.  I find it tragic that with all of the hardware
improvements available, the best HP and other companies choose to do
is the current crop of WIN-CE systems.

I accept that the time will come that the 200LX will be a thing of the past.
I only wish that I could buy something better and not face having to
"upgrade" to something less.

What is heartbreaking is that marketing and greed and stupidity manage
to push us all down the wrong path again and again.

I have a 200LX.  I average $100+ per month in upgrades, so I have a lot
of stuff accumulated over the last few years.  I have a lot of DOS
software too.  ( I got my first computer in '79, before the IBM PC first
came out. )

I LOVE the HP200LX.  My wife calls it "The Green God" and is jealous of
it.   I value its ability to run DOS apps and like everyone else, I spend odd
moments of time going through trash bins of archaic software, looking
for Palmtop Gems.

I find that I can do more with my Palmtop ( 2x speed, 5 Mb Ram, 85 Mb
flash ) than most folk can with a 200 Mhz pentium and any Windows
platform.

On the other hand the 200LX is basically a PC/XT that you can put into
your pocket.  The PC/XT was the lowest common denominator of the
entire micro-computer industry.  It was made with obsolete parts and
was hacked together.  Without the IBM name, they wouldn't have sold a
hundred machines.

I HATE DOS and the stupid Intel segmented architecture and the sooner it
is dead, the better.  Someone once called the choice of the 8086/8088
processor the single worst decision in human history and had no doubt
that the eventual downfall of the human species would ultimately be
traced back to it.

It took over 10 years to get out of that box and get an OS for Intel that is
about the same as the Macs of a decade ago.

Other lesser offenses include:
MDA/CGA/Hercules/EGA/VGA/...
extended/expanded/LIM/EMS/XMS/HMA
ISA/EISA/MCA/VESA/PCI...

Each of these these left us with piles of cards, monitors, etc.  Not to
mention the wasted time and energy.

It is almost painful to set the WIN-CE stuff coming and to realize that it
may be 10 years to get a decent successor.

You guessed it, I am looking for another LX to carry me through.  Sign me
up for all the support stuff too.

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I just use Net-Tamer for a while.  What is maximum modem speed I should
configure?  Is the bottom neck on the HP 200LX or the software?  Any advice
is most appreciated.

Raymond

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Comments:     Originally-From: jim.henry@airgunhq.com (Jim Henry)
From:         PALMTOPS@AIRGUNHQ.COM
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Michael,

-> Does anyone know where I can download a copy of the shareware version
-> of Procomm DOS or another
-> communications program that supports:
->
->   - Scripting
->   - Logging
->   - 3270 terminal emulation

I'm not *sure* about your third requirement, but take a look at
www.sparkware.com and 1ST READER.  I think it will fit your requirements
and do a heck of a lot more, and it's only $10 now.

Jim

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The one piece audio cassette cases are perfect for storing 6 AA
batteries or PCMCIA card.

Jay Carlson wrote:

> actually target sells a nylon case for walkmans that fits the lx
> perfectly, and it's $10. i think case logic makes it.
>

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Just read an interesting article on the future of WinCE.  New units under development use faster 100 MHz chips
and include more enabled applications.  System RAM will be ->32MB of flash RAM.  However, they are also
getting bigger, in fact bigger than the Libretto!  See the following for more info:

http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?971013.ewince.htm

How can they differentiate these machines from full featured mini notebooks?

How long will their batteries last?

I'll keep my 200LX, thank you!
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Suggestion:
When I had my 200LX stolen, the only thing I was thankful about was the fact that I used a password on sensitive info. Take my suggestion, if your data is personal, use the password feature no matter how annoying. You may be thankful later.
This is one nice feature that the 100/200LX has over witnessed on the earlier version of WINCE. I will stop there since some folks get a little upset if certain subjects like humor, Dr. Deming, etc. are mentioned. <G>
Sincerely,
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You wrote:
>hi dear palmtoppers !
>
>looking for old games, in "abandonware" sites, i've downloaded tons of
>old games since 1987 and older
>
>they run fine on the palmtop, and they are small-size too.
   t

Hi Martin. Well a listing of what you have would be much appreciated,
could you email me such a list ????

Many thanks
Malcolm viney
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> From: "Lynn M. Cavendish" <Cavendishl@AOL.COM>
2 Subject:      ANNOUNCING HP 260LX

> PALIO  ALTERNATE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--April 1st, 1997--
> Hewlett-Packard Company today introduced the HP 260LX Palmtop PC with
> Micro$oft(r) DOS 6.2, expanding to its award-winning family of DOS=
 Palmtop
> PCs.

  Good one Lynn. This deserve to be archived together with Brendan's=
 post
some time in August about evolution of our 200LX's.

  Best regards,


 Jagdesh Maraj <joshuam@carib-link.net>

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1.    2 Meg 200LX

2.    SG50500978

3.    Purchased used,  in addition to well used  95LX.

4.    Rec'd Feb 97

5.    Saw marks, id as crack after I saw picture

6.    No falls, carried in case, sometimes in jacket pocket


Note:  If you remove endcap and view machine side-on and look at the
hinge design....

Regards


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All,

Im currently evaluating NetTamer and looking for alternatives for Internet
access. So far ive been using nettamer primarily for the PPP connection
then I telnet to a unix box to browse, access news groups, etc. The browser
in NetTamer is pretty lame, how does the WWW/LX package compare? Is it
worth the price??  Im a little leary of dropping $100+ to find out.

Thanks In Advance,

Dan
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Hi Carl and all,

Carl Merkle wrote:
>200LX?
>
> What you're missing is that the upstart has to have the $ and muscle to
> develop.

Someone with a passion can develop anything. Cost is not the factor if
you ask me.

> The hardware part might be easy but think of the programs built in
> that'd be near impossible to duplicate.

Let people program their own programs into Rom!

> kind of express exchange service HP provides.

Why does a company have to be big to use an overnight express? They have
plenty of extra computers, which probably cost them 1/5th the cost they
sell for to produce, so the only real expense would be the UPS or
whatever charges. Just charge for that and the technical repairs as part
of the program.

Bob

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Yay! There ARE honest people out there!

Bob

      something this morning? Yes, Yes do have a black leather case one
side
>      billfold the other a computer. The voice tells me his address and I
>      can pick it up this morning because he is also going to work. Sure
>      enough this morning went to the address and he gave me my Palmtop. All
>      the money credit cards everything there. Now this Palmtop owner is
>      back in heaven.
>

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I'll bet there is an alternative universe somewhere where things like
this really happen!

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Get her a job at HP!

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Dan Ridenhour <driden@STLNET.COM> wrote:

> The browser in NetTamer is pretty lame, how does the WWW/LX package
> compare? Is it worth the price??

My $.02 worth is YES. I used both NT and WWW/LX (before Post/LX came
out), With WWW/LX you get multiple fonts, very limited support for
Frames, inline GIF (but not JPG) images - that can be switched off for
speed, forms and limited tables. Now with Post/LX, you also get email
and newsgroups.

HV (the browser part of WWW/LX) is freeware. You can get it from D&A's
web site or the SUPER site.
        http://www.dasoft.com
        http://www.palmtop.net/super.html
You can use it to view downloaded web pages & see how you like it.

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Try slowing down the baud rate of the connection.

Bob Aldrich
Los Angeles

>
> I wonder if a defragmenter would help, or even if it makes
> any sense?
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On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Bob Aldrich wrote:
> > What you're missing is that the upstart has to have the $ and muscle to
> > develop.
>
> Someone with a passion can develop anything. Cost is not the factor if
> you ask me.
Nice notion, but just not true.  That's why venture capitalist do so well.
My father owns an industrial machinery factory, and I can tell you that it
takes lots of work and lots of time to start a company that manufactures
and sells high-end items.

> > The hardware part might be easy but think of the programs built in
> > that'd be near impossible to duplicate.
> Let people program their own programs into Rom!
uuuuhhhh... ROM as in READ ONLY MEMORY?  If you use any kind of
EPROM/EEPROM/FLASH, access would be slower.  Even if this were not the
case, how many prospective customers are capable and willing to write
their own word/spreadsheet/db suite?

> > kind of express exchange service HP provides.
> Why does a company have to be big to use an overnight express? They have
> plenty of extra computers, which probably cost them 1/5th the cost they
> sell for to produce, so the only real expense would be the UPS or
> whatever charges. Just charge for that and the technical repairs as part
> of the program.
Who says they have plenty of extra computers?  HP doesn't even have plenty
of extra computers.  That's why no stores stocked the 200 when they were
making the 300's.  HP just didn't have them to ship because they diverted
their resources.  And if HP didn't have the resources to have plenty of
extra computers knowing they can sell them all with no problem, how will a
startup company who will be in debt for the first 5 years or so do it?

And 80% profit margin is way unrealistic.  The parts may cost 1/5 of the
sale price, but there's labor, depreciation on the manufacturing
machinery, management's salaries, the building, heat, water, toilet paper
for the bathrooms, the postit notes to scribble the latest design changes
on... All of these have to be paid from a fraction of the money made on
each machine.  And that can't happen if the company doesn't have enough
reserves built up from previous sales.

We need to keep in mind that this is really a vertical market product
(that means a relatively small number of people are willing to pay a
larger amount of money for it).  Out of the very small percentage of the
population who will buy PDA/palmtop computers, an even smaller percentage
want anything but normal business apps built right into other units
already on the market.  We all travel in high-tech circles.  Growing up in
New York and now living in Boston, it's easy to forget that in other parts
of this great country there are those wo really think Jews have horns (met
people who have met them- not rumor).

One of my dreams has always been to invent and push a standard language
that all electronic devices could be programmed in, with a series of
standard "terminal" connectors for different size/complexity of devices.
That means if I wanted my wristwatch to do something it couldn't do, and
the hardware was existing to do it, I could modify the source code in my
watch to do it (ie- I wanted the watch to beep every 5 minutes in a
certain mode so I could work out at the gym's cardio circuit to it's
pace) as long as the display was sufficient for my needs and there were
enough buttons. Or if my cellular phone didn't have a speed search for
phone numbers in memory, I could just write one, and share the code on the
internet, cuz every cellphone will accept the same language.  Well none of
this would ever happen, because maybe .0001% of the population would pay
extra for this ability.  The closest we have so far is TV's and VCR's from
the same manufacturer using the same remote control.



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Current "conventional wisdom" in the computer trade mags is that Win9x is
going away and the future of MS is NT for workstations and servers, WinCE
for smaller devices, consumer systems, etc. WinCE, so the story goes, will
run everything from your car's climate control to your Network Computer
to your WebTV box to, yes, lower-end laptops. Since CE jettisons DOS
support, the x86 is gone and they can use nice low-power RISC chips
for lower cost and energy usage. Makes sense to me, though I'm sure
not gonna replace my LX with a GUI/WIMP thing that won't fit in my
trousers pockets. Pilot or a small Newton maybe, eventually; CE, no.

>Date:    Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:10:21 -0400
>From:    mdstockr <mdstockr@NEO.LRUN.COM>

>Just read an interesting article on the future of WinCE.
> However, they are also
>getting bigger, in fact bigger than the Libretto!

>How can they differentiate these machines from full featured mini
>notebooks?

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I just wrote a handy little menu system for WWW/LX and Post/LX.  Once
you're connected, you can run HV, post, reader, news, etc. from the
menu.  Every time you exit it goes back to the menu.  When you're done
you can hang up from the menu.  The best part is, you can use it without
having to set up a complicated system of batch files to re-load the menu
every time you exit an application, and it only takes up 1.4K memory.
(The EXE file itself is a little over 40K.)

Any WWW/LX or Post/LX users out there who want a copy?

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I suppose I should've mentioned... you must have an EMM driver installed
to use my menu.  Otherwise, it would take up too much memory.

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David,

Count me in your distribution list.


Antonio



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Hi Martin,
        I'd love to have that zip file of games too!

        Thanks in advance,
                Bob Aldrich

Martin Sebastian wrote:
>
> hi dear palmtoppers !
>
> looking for old games, in "abandonware" sites, i've downloaded tons of
> old games since 1987 and older
>
> they run fine on the palmtop, and they are small-size too.
>
> i have : prince on persia 1
>          motocross
>          rally
>          tons of cars "racing" games
>          and all kind of adventure, action, and "thinking" games, etc.
>
> if anyone is interested, drop me a line here, or in my private email
>
> remember that i'll make a zip file with all the games, you have to
> choose what you need, from there, sorry for this, but is the only way to
> make it faster, for you, and for me.
>
> and please wait a couple of days for delivery.... :)
>
> martin
> marseb@giga.com.ar

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Antonio Menezes wrote:

> Count me in your distribution list.

OK.  It is now available at my web site, in the "Downloads" section.
Anybody who downloads it: please let me know how it works, any
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Speaking of old games, has anyone tried to run Ultima 3 from origins on an
HP? it was CGA 4 color graphics, and less than 1mb so it should work, but
ive been unable to find a copy.

Anyone?

Thanks,

Dan
driden@stlnet.com

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> Date: Friday, October 17, 1997 5:32 PM
>
> Hi Martin,
>         I'd love to have that zip file of games too!
>
>         Thanks in advance,
>                 Bob Aldrich
>
> Martin Sebastian wrote:
> >
> > hi dear palmtoppers !
> >
> > looking for old games, in "abandonware" sites, i've downloaded tons of
> > old games since 1987 and older
> >
> > they run fine on the palmtop, and they are small-size too.
> >
> > i have : prince on persia 1
> >          motocross
> >          rally
> >          tons of cars "racing" games
> >          and all kind of adventure, action, and "thinking" games, etc.
> >
> > if anyone is interested, drop me a line here, or in my private email
> >
> > remember that i'll make a zip file with all the games, you have to
> > choose what you need, from there, sorry for this, but is the only way
to
> > make it faster, for you, and for me.
> >
> > and please wait a couple of days for delivery.... :)
> >
> > martin
> > marseb@giga.com.ar
>
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HP>Hi Martin,
HP>        I'd love to have that zip file of games too!

HP>        Thanks in advance,
HP>                Bob Aldrich

     dear bob.....send my your email first.... :)

     martin
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David Kramer wrote:
> (looong message)

Oh, well, guess I'm wrong again on all counts!

It's all impossible!

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Domingo Diaz-Vazquez wrote: > John Shaw said:
>    >The Isopropyl Alcohol just wipes off the case plastic with
>    >no sign of eating into it.
>
>    >After treatment the screen is only slightly firmer to open,
Although, may I add, the closing resistance is roughly 50% more
than the opening resistance and any cracks probably appear from
force of closing & not the opening...
Check by holding 200lx by screen upside down and comparing speed of
keyboard drop to the Type 3 test in the crack test list.

>    Strange statement, since you quote me correctly below.
>    >> >   There was a thread on the old list about how using
>    >>*any*  >   alcohol will eventually eat away the plastic,

Yes I remember how that thread faded with no proof either way.
and since then no isopropyl alcohol user has reported
disintergration or milder damage from its use, time has allowed
me to choose to disregard that theory as invalid.

>    >><Snip>  >   Domingo
>
>    >The Isopropyl Alcohol purchased here in NZ comes in a
>    >plastic bottle with plastic top which must be a good sign!
>
>    Tony posted recently on the hinge survey about his exploding
>    hinge.  He is your man.
OK
The hinge friction device only "explodes" when you force the
metal retaining pin from the metal hinge centre allowing the
metal outside cover of the friction device to "flick" off
as the spring and friction cone decompress. Come to think
of it theres not much plactic in there to be affected by
any alcohol!
Even if Tony found all the parts to his hinge friction device
it will not go back together by hand! (been there done that)

>    I guess you don't realize the big
>    difference between the plastic in your palmtop and other
>    plastics.
>    Domingo
>    Net-Tamer V 1.06H For HP100/200 & OG700 - Long Test Drive

Please tell us exactly what type of "plastic" the HP case is
so we can do a comparison and then develop some sort of Alcohol
Digestability rating...

I noticed that the plastic in the case of my 100lx is very
different to that used in my 200lx.

Cheers

John Shaw
New Zealand
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You can make part of your flashram disk an encrypted volume using
SecureDevice... Uses 128bit IDEA. Of course you'll have to log onto the
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->> > ...Okay, now here's an idea.  What if we started up a little
->> > palmtop insurance group?...

I think many homeowners policies will cover such losses after a
deductible.  Worth looking at your policy.

Jeff


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     Hi!
     My homeowners insurance was going to pay for my almost lost Palmtop,
     Case and 2 20mb Flash Cards minus the deductible.

     Helmut in Colorado

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thomas e. nemeth wrote:

> And if anyone is compelled to respond to lengthy threads, can we
> exercise some prudence and prune the responses?

Prudence with prunes is always a good idea!

S.P.

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: >200LX?
: >
: > What you're missing is that the upstart has to have the $ and muscle to
: > develop.
:
: Someone with a passion can develop anything. Cost is not the factor if
: you ask me.
:

It is if you have to pay for tooling to make a box. Even if you machine it
out of a solid block of aluminum (as someone else suggested), you still
need to pay the NC machine programmer, and time on the machine, etc. I've
had some things machined out of aluminum and its not cheap, and it doesn't
scale very much for quantity.

Also, we're talking custom LCD panel. You can't do that without some
serious money.

So, if all your interested in is a prototype, I have an old IBM Thinkpad
mono 640x480 screen with 386 processor under my desk here somewhere - ah,
there it is. I guess that means I'm done the hardware engineering..:-)

You get my point, I hope. This project would be all about form, and that
doesn't come cheap.

: > The hardware part might be easy but think of the programs built in
: > that'd be near impossible to duplicate.
:
: Let people program their own programs into Rom!
:

I have three different WinCE units (as a side note, the Philips Velo runs
circles around the other guys) and a couple of Newtons (plus some other
stuff), but I use my 200LX for every day. The reason is that the software
that comes with it allows it to work "out of the box". I'm not wedded to a
DOS machine, I just use what works best for me. Take that built in software
away, and you make me work that much harder. Hard enough that in my case I
would move on to something else. How many would still purchase their first
HP200LX if they had to gather all the apps from scratch on the internet
before they could do anything useful with it. For those with specific DOS
apps, the story's different. Still, the organization apps are what make it
worthwhile for me to stick with it.

That's not to say that someone couldn't sort through the best of the
shareware and freeware and license it for use in this new system's ROM....

: > kind of express exchange service HP provides.
:
: Why does a company have to be big to use an overnight express? They have
: plenty of extra computers, which probably cost them 1/5th the cost they
: sell for to produce, so the only real expense would be the UPS or
: whatever charges. Just charge for that and the technical repairs as part
: of the program.
:

The problem is one of scale. Look at telephone lines in your office, for
example. For me in my one person office there's one phone line. But in a
two person office, you could probably still get away with one line. And on
it goes - up to 20% utilization factors for 100 person offices and the
like. The point is that if you've sold a million, you probably need 1,000
pcs at any given time to support 24 hour turn around. But, if you've only
sold 1,000, can you keep 10 in stock? Probably not. You've probably got 100
or more on the shelf because your supplier won't take orders for less than
that. 100 pcs that you've got to finance out of your pocket. And if you've
only sold 1,000, you still have to pay for the minimum costs of being in
business. And if you want to get any decent pricing, you've probably got to
commit to 10,000 pcs of whatever it is you need in the unit. Not to mention
that you probably can't get the same deal as HP from UPS for your packages,
so you'd better not send too many or you'll give all your margin to UPS.

You need deep pockets to play this game. Not to rain on anyone's parade,
but there's a reason that companies like HP get 15% return on equity while
charging 4 to 5 times the cost of materials for their products.

: Bob
:

rick

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Somebody ought to make this, HP I hope.

Keep the present size.  A 4 inch wide case fits in very few
pockets.  If it could be made lighter and thinner that
would be great.

Expand the screen to fill the lid. 5" to 6.2" would give
80 columns with the 64 col. font size. Switchable
backlighting.
A column of buttons on one side  - on/off, &, menu, ......
The base would be like the 200LX with addition for compact
memory, possible USB socket and a security socket (with
plug-in
security lanyard available). And modem phone jack.

Modular user installable keyboards with options:
  Present 200LX
  Full width qwerty with a somewhat softer touch for touch
    typing. Five rows of keys (a few have moved to the lid).

  LCD touch surface with no lid display. ala Pilot and
Newton.
  Language dependent versions

Core module (ram, rom, processor, io):
  X86 (386 ?) with 200Lx or 1000C software options.
  or WinCE
High survivability so that if the rest of the palmtop got
dunked/smashed, you could probably retrieve your data.
The core, with uprated parts, could be used in a 1 1/2 pound

computer, or downrated for a shirt pocket computer.
Two AA NiCads should last the power user at least a day.

Pricing? How about this:
  keyboard        $75
  case/screen    $150
  core module    $200-$400
Wouldn't you feel a lot better about your hinge problem if
the worst case was $150?

Or for a shirt pocket computer:
  case/screen  $75
  core        $100+

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Afaik, the last Procomm shareware was 1988. Telix (telix351.zip on Simtel)
has good scripting. The only hits I got on 3270 emul. are for OS/2 and WinNT.

mdstockr wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can download a copy of the shareware version of Procomm DOS or another
> communications program that supports:
>
>     - Scripting
>     - Logging
>     - 3270 terminal emulation
>
> Thanks.
> ______________________________________________
>
>   "Michael Stocker" <mdstockr@neo.lrun.com>
>            10/17/97 11:05:01 AM EDT
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Yeah, almost as cruel as seeing it repeated in two replies.
;)
     G A T E S 9 9 @ M E D C O R . M C G I L L . C A
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I use the IrDa printer driver and absolutely love it.  I was wondering
how the infrared port could be accessed from DOS programs.  If anyone
has information about the interrupts and all that, I would appreciate
it.  I think I may be able to create a TSR to reroute data sent to a
particular port to the printer.  A hotkey could be used to
enable/disable the TSR.  Thanks in advance!

-Jeremy

PS:  Still working on the Front-Lite!

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1. model 200LX 2mg
2. manuf. date 440 (40th week, 94)
3. owned 2yrs 6 mo.
4. No cracks (battle scarred from heavy use  ... but no cracks)

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Ken Lewis wrote:
>
> At 10:10 PM 10/16/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >I remember GEOS for the C-64 and thought it was cool. I have been trying
> >to find a version that works on the 200LX, but have only found stuff
> >related to zoomer and Nokia 9000 and GEOBook - promo's basically. I did
> >find New Deal's site, apparently they now run Geoworks, but they seem
> >only to have a version 2.01 for a 286 or better. I wonder does anyone
> >out there use GEOS, or know where I can get an older Version for the
> >'186?
>
> I have loaded New Deal Office 97 on an ATA card and it will work on
> the palmtop but it is pretty slow.  You need to get the program from
> the SUPER site that allows you to turn off the palmtop.  I can't
> remember the name at the moment...SLEEP maybe?  A problem I had when
> using the SLEEP program is the internal clock goes to sleep also and
> I had to reset the date/time whenever I shut the palmtop off while
> NDO was loaded.
>
> If you have a large enough card (10MB or better) you can try out
> their free version (New Deal Publisher) to get a feel for the performance.
>
> Ken Lewis
> kdlewis@top.net
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I recall when I subscribed to AOL a couple of years ago that there is a
copy of AOL (DOS Version 1.0?) that runs on the palmtop under GEOS.
When you downloaded it from the HP forum, GEOS came with it.

Jim Wylie

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David N Sargeant wrote:
>
> I just wrote a handy little menu system for WWW/LX and Post/LX.  Once
> you're connected, you can run HV, post, reader, news, etc. from the
> menu.  Every time you exit it goes back to the menu.  When you're done
> you can hang up from the menu.  The best part is, you can use it without
> having to set up a complicated system of batch files to re-load the menu
> every time you exit an application, and it only takes up 1.4K memory.
> (The EXE file itself is a little over 40K.)
>
> Any WWW/LX or Post/LX users out there who want a copy?
>
> --
> Visit the HP200LX web pages at http://coyote.accessnv.com/davidsa/hp
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David,

Sounds like a handy thing to have - how may I get a copy.  Can you send
me a copy via email attachment?

Thanks in advance,
Jim Wylie

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Subject:      Re: Guarding data (was Re: Guard your 200 with your life!)
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: On the topic of stolen/lost LX's, when mine was stolen I wished I had done
: a bunch of things to prepare for something like this. Having replaced the
: LX with a new one, I see for the most part that most of those "things" are
: impractical to me as they interfere with the the way I want to do things.

That's why I left my LX unpassworded.  I have a couple things going for
me if I ever get it back, though, which you should consider, depending on
the quality of thief you're dealing with.  First is luck.  Mine was thief
intelligence.

Mine was stolen at the high school I go to, when someone rifled through
all the backpacks in the P.E. locker room.  Well, hindsight 20/20 on the
idea of leaving it in there.  I thought the thing would be safe because
there
are about 80-90 other backpacks in there, and I never mention or display
the 200 during that period.

Anyway, I had it in pure DOS mode -- you can't get to any of the real
stuff without hitting "200".  Because, to my knowledge, I am the only one
in my town that has one (pop. about 45,000), no one knows how it
works except me.  Plus, thanks to our corrupted school district, every
single student computer is either running Win95 (rare), or Macintosh.

Second, if they ever do figure out the three-finger salute, they'll be
welcomed
to a fractal screen.  The likelihood that they will get to the Owner
section of
the palmtop is low, considering they have no reason to think that it
contains
owners information. If I ever do find it, I can just pop up the Setup owner
screen, flash my ID, and voila.  Third, the chances are low they'll find the
backup battery, and thank God it's conveniently hidden from view.

: One thing I would like to solicit ideas on: has anyone come up with a way
: to rig a non-passworded LX such that the data on the RAM and disk would be
: wiped away if it fell into the wrong hands?

Just don't store anything of value in sys RAM.  I'd keep it on a flash or
other
memory card, which can be popped out whenever getting into dangerous
situations.  Lucky for me all I had was a couple of old school papers and
ZZT
in memory!

But if you really wanted to do something like that, I think there's a way.
Of
course, you would have to back up more frequently, because if not, boom.
The real-time clock in computers is accompanied by two programmable
alarms, which trigger interrupts when they go off.  A small password
utility
could disable rebooting (except for ctrl-shift-on, which I think is
impossible
to kill) and ask for a password.  If it detected a reboot, or the incorrect
password is entered, blammo.  Wipe the FAT on the ramdisk, quick and
no blood. Probably seven hundred bytes resident code, max.

: As much as I hate the thought of the thief with the LX in his/her hot
: little hands, I shudder even more to think of all my personal data sitting
: there for their viewing pleasure (tho I password encrypt my most sensitive
: files).

I shudder to think of what is happening to my LX right now... probably it's
been pawned. I'm going to check the local pawn shops tomorrow - which
makes me very glad I kept my 48 and 200 invoices!

Ian Butler
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
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I think this discussion about a better DOS based palmtop is just proof that
we all enjoy our HPLX's and would like to see some large capable company
(like HP) design and build a new and better unit we could all upgrade too.
Until this happens we should all continue to vent our wishes.  I know no
one is going to create a palmtop with a machined aluminum case, and
everything else I want, but I'd still like to have one.

Owen

Owen Samuelson  KU4ET
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This is the first time I've seen        - "unsubscribe" messages;
                                        - the list-server full; and
                                        - so many and long messages.
Me thinks the three relate!

Excessive quoting, especially of long posts, contributes to the problem,
but I believe excessive *popularity* is the true cause, which strains the
limited resources of the mailing-list server, and that of its recipients.

Let us restrain the number and length of our submissions, for the sake of
this Common Good!

For example: proof-reading takes time from the one writer, and gives it
to the many, who then better understand, appreciate and respond.
                      Your audience is listening
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> Hi Martin,
>         I'd love to have that zip file of games too!
Me also, please :)

        bren@cs.monash.edu.au

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> Congratulations folks, you are first winners of the "Thoughtless Quoting"
> award.
Why not make it the
        "Beavis and Butthead award for thoughtless Quoting"?

I think there should also be a division for maximum copies of:
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The most I've counted is 4; but someone claimed to have seen two emails
with *5*! Now, that's really excessive quoting!

> You can practice on this message as I'm very off topic.
Cool line! <G>

I think the award concept has merit: may I sugjest all nomintions
quote the entire offending email, and append:

        Wow! Look at all this excessive quoting!
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PS A personal guideline I try to follow is to try to fit all within a single...
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Check out COMMO. Uses macros (for scripting). Also logging. Emulates
VT102, VT220, ANSI-BBS.

Version 7.0 is available from SimTel in the msdos/commprog
subdirectory. Also from:
        ftp://ftp.ordata.com/COMMO
The ftp site also has the latest beta version (7.0k I think) plus lots
of macro files and add-ons.

PR
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Lxmidi  seems to require format 0 tunes. I havn't found anything like that.
Is there a conversion pgm that I need?



> Here's my DOSware, based on frequency of use & category:

> lxmidi          plays midi through PC speaker   (avail SUPER)

>        gsplay          plays midi through serial port

> --
> Brendan Macmillan                               Give me DOS or give me death!
> bren@cs.monash.edu.au                           (with apologies to Ted Stead)
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I notice some programs need MoreEXM to make them work.  What is MoreEXM?
Where to get it and how to install it in HP 200LX.  Any advice is appreciated.

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I found QModem95, which seems to be a good Win95 program with the terminal emulation I need.  I
guess I'll use it on my desktop to get the work done.  Would have been nicer to use my 200LX.

Thanks to all.

--- On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:25:34 -0500  Stan Peters <speters@KDSI.NET> wrote:

>Afaik, the last Procomm shareware was 1988. Telix (telix351.zip on Simtel)
>has good scripting. The only hits I got on 3270 emul. are for OS/2 and WinNT.
>
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Hi,

I've been using a 100Lx, and now a 200Lx, with a Unix Shell account for
going on 3 years. I archive my mail and news packets with uqwk,
download them to the palmtop, and read it with PNR. Couldn't work any
better.

However, I've been plagued with problems while using the Shell account
interactively. Specificly, while using Pine and Lynx, after a period of
time, the screen will fill with what looks like Ansi codes. The
application will still operate, but hot links will be placed in the
wrong spot, random characters will appear, etc.. I've tried numerous
packages... Telix, Procomm, VT100 packages, and a few others mentioned
on this list. The problem seems to be HP specific, as I've not seen
this problem on my desktop with the same software. I'm using VT100/102
emulation.

Any suggestions?

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> When I had my 200LX stolen, the only thing I was thankful about was =
the
> fact that I used a password on sensitive info. Take my suggestion, =
if
> your data is personal, use the password feature no matter how annoying.

Another great way to protect your LX is to activate the Buddy password
feature (available only to registered users tho...). This allows you
to set a global password that improves on the 200lx's standard
password feature which BTW simply produces a scrambled screen *each*
time you power on the lx (if set to auto-lock, which is the more
effective method). 100lx users should be extra happy since hp decided
to leave out the global pwd feature on those machines. A scrambled
screen is not very useful to a good citizen wanting to return the lost
unit.

The real benefit of the buddy password feature is that you can have =
it
prompt you for a pwd only if the machine has been off for a period =
of
time which you specify. In addition to this on the 3rd failed attempt
at pwd entry it will display a 'Lost & Found' msg (which you must
create yourself) and then lock the machine from further access. Any
later attempt at powering on will simply display your msg uniil the
correct pwd is entered.

IMHO this feature is not a replacement for individually protected
files but adds an extra measure of 'insurance' and peace-of-mind if
you every become separated from your trusty lx...

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Keep in mind that the LX password feature only protects the unit.  It has no affect on the RAM card's contents
if the card in placed in another unit.  This is where encrypted data would be useful.
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On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Suresh Nirody wrote:

> You can make part of your flashram disk an encrypted volume using
> SecureDevice... Uses 128bit IDEA. Of course you'll have to log onto the
> volume using a passphrase. My 40MB disk has a 10MB encrypted partition
> which appears as drive F on which I keep sensetive info (credit card
> info, etc...).. works fine for me. Suresh Nirody

Sounds promising. But:
1) How much does it cost?
2) How much conventional memory does it take away?
3) How often do I have to enter the passphrase?
4) How transparent is the encrypted drive to other applications?
5) Where do you get it?

- Longden

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Rick Kozak wrote:
(long message, many points)
> You need deep pockets to play this game. Not to rain on anyone's parade,
>

Not to rain on your parade either, but really my point in all of this is
that you CAN start out small! Who were those guys that started out in
their garage? Apple?

I see competing in a small business against giants as a kind of
Tao-Teh-King way of doing business. Wu-Wei. Or was that some other
discipline? And of course a positive attitude will get you quite a ways.
I wouldn't call it Zen as that is a lot later practice and requires a
lot of lumps on the head. Or was Wu-Wei from Zen? *I* don't know.

I'm just trying to be optimistic. I have noticed that in nearly every
case where I suggest some hopeful, optimistic method of solving a
problem in a public forum like the Internet, Fido Net or even BBSes, for
SURE for every one person that agrees with your idea there will be ten
more that will trash it heavily! NO NO! Not possible! Can't be done! Too
easy!  etc.. Sigh! It's a wonder anything gets done in this world! For
it just can't be solved! In other words, any statement of CAN gives ten
responses of CAN'T!

Anyway, a 200LX-like upgrade with some standard stuff in Rom that can be
unplugged and changed would be nice, more memory, etc. I would think
that it would take a group of (optimistic, probably young) guys that
know plastics, case design, programming, hardware design, LCDs, and then
give them the list in Lynn Cavendish's 260LX post. And if each one of
these guys (one or two women would be OK :-) was sharp in his field,
they could have a going concern in a year or two. AND they would have a
lot of fun!

In fact, is there a newsgroup out there that is attended by developers
of these kinds of devices?

I would hope that lots of groups of people get together like this all
the time, like possibly on university campuses, where the future is
born.

So there's another hopeful post!

But frankly I'd like to see HP do it along with the rest of you, cuz I
happen to like my two '94 (uncracked) 200LXes, but I'm always open for
something new/better.

Bob Aldrich
Los Angeles

By the way, Rick, what do you want for your IBM 386 black/white VGA
thinkpad? I need a good writing computer that isn't full of bells and
whistles I can play with...

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On Sat, 18 Oct 1997, Ian Butler wrote:

> : One thing I would like to solicit ideas on: has anyone come up with a way
> : to rig a non-passworded LX such that the data on the RAM and disk would be
> : wiped away if it fell into the wrong hands?
>
> Just don't store anything of value in sys RAM.  I'd keep it on a flash
> or other memory card, which can be popped out whenever getting into
> dangerous situations.  Lucky for me all I had was a couple of old school
> papers and ZZT in memory!

Personally I didn't have anything in sys RAM on my lost LX, just all on
the 20mb card 8{

Several of us that lost it didn't do so in a situation where we would have
anticipated a need to stash the card. In any case, losing a loose card is
probably even easier than losing an LX.

> But if you really wanted to do something like that, I think there's a
> way.  Of course, you would have to back up more frequently, because if
> not, boom.  The real-time clock in computers is accompanied by two
> programmable alarms, which trigger interrupts when they go off.  A small
> password utility could disable rebooting (except for ctrl-shift-on,
> which I think is impossible to kill) and ask for a password.  If it
> detected a reboot, or the incorrect password is entered, blammo.  Wipe
> the FAT on the ramdisk, quick and no blood. Probably seven hundred bytes
> resident code, max.

Sounds good. Show me where I can find this bloodless disk-killer. If it's
something you can write, let me know how much you'd want for it. Ideally,
I'd like a password prompt during boot-up and the first time used each
day...that way I'm not nagged all day. If a thief gets the LX, at least
there's a chance that the disk-killer will run during a re-boot (while
they're trying to figure it out) or automatically the next day.  I HATE
being asked for passwords all day long! The alternative is an encrypted
drive.

> : As much as I hate the thought of the thief with the LX in his/her hot
> : little hands, I shudder even more to think of all my personal data sitting
> : there for their viewing pleasure (tho I password encrypt my most sensitive
> : files).
>
> I shudder to think of what is happening to my LX right now... probably it's
> been pawned. I'm going to check the local pawn shops tomorrow - which

In a town of 45,000, I guess the number of pawn shops must be manageable
(compared to Southern California).

What I'd worry about is that after failing to understand how to work
anything on the LX, the thief plays with the mechanical things including
the PC card ejector. They may then reccognize the card as something that
goes into notebook computers and plugs it into one and voila! You're
fortunate in not having anything sensitive on your card.

> makes me very glad I kept my 48 and 200 invoices!

A couple of us have already mentioned homeowner's insurance. Doesn't this
apply to your case also (particularly good if you've kept the invoices)?

I guess I don't know the Net well enough to tell if you're in the US.
Good hunting.


- Longden

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Sharp has a new HPC, the HC-4500 at
http://www.sharp-usa.com/daa.asp?bname=1529
That uses Win CE 2.0
Has anyone seen this yet. I wonder what the battery life is for the color
unit.
Let's here some comments.
Owen

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For any of you who can't get WWWMenu to work, you need around 160K of
EMM free to use it.  The version I'm working on now will fix that.

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Hi group-

Every once in a while somebody sends me a #@$& MonopolySoft Word document =

as an email attachment. Definitely NOT human-readable!

Does anyone know of a utility to strip all the formatting (and whatever
else) gobbledegook and produce a plain ASCII document?  Looked on
SimTel in the /txtutil subdirectory. They have a utility to convert=
 TO
MSWord but not FROM!  Aargh!  8-(

Any suggestions would be appreciated.  TIA

PR
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Peniel Romanelli wrote:

> Hi group-
>
> Every once in a while somebody sends me a #@$& MonopolySoft Word document
> as an email attachment. Definitely NOT human-readable!

What version of Word?  And is it a DOS or Windows version?  They differ.  I
can open up a Word 7.0 document in WordPerfect 8.0 but not Word 2.0.


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the last time i was on the m$word web page, i remember seeing a free-ware
m$word reader.  i don't remember if it required  windoze or not.  its worth
checking.

cordially,

lynn m. cavendish

=> i hear rumours that the hp260lx will have a univesal translation unility
as an undocumented feature in d:\bin.  ;-)

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> Ideally, I'd like a password prompt during boot-up and the first =
time
> used each day...that way I'm not nagged all day.

Users of stacker can have it prompt for a pwd before mounting the
drive - probably good protection for users of pc cards that need no
drivers to be read on a notebook (even a stacked card w/o pwd is hard
enough to access outside the lx). I have found this stacker feature
very reliable on other pc's (never tried it on the lx) and even the
guys at stac will have a hard time decrypting it w/o the pwd from what
I hear... Users of other types of cards have a built-in safety net
against this kind of mishap. <g>

Buddy can take care of the daily pwd. These along with the soft reboot
utility (I saw this someplace can't remember where) run from appt book
every couple days should make it pretty hard for data to get into the
wrong hands...

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On Sat, 18 Oct 1997, Ian Melville wrote:

> > Ideally, I'd like a password prompt during boot-up and the first time
> > used each day...that way I'm not nagged all day.
>
> Users of stacker can have it prompt for a pwd before mounting the
> drive - probably good protection for users of pc cards that need no
> drivers to be read on a notebook (even a stacked card w/o pwd is hard
> enough to access outside the lx). I have found this stacker feature
> very reliable on other pc's (never tried it on the lx) and even the
> guys at stac will have a hard time decrypting it w/o the pwd from what

Can you remind me again...how much conventional memory do I have to give
up to use stacker (assuming I have EMM). Does JAM have similar password
protection (anyone?).

> Buddy can take care of the daily pwd. These along with the soft reboot
> utility (I saw this someplace can't remember where) run from appt book
> every couple days should make it pretty hard for data to get into the
> wrong hands...

Does Buddy coordinate its pwd with stacker? (ie, volume doesn't mount
unless the correct daily pwd is used for Buddy?).

How much more memory do I give up for Buddy?

- Longden

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On Sat, 18 Oct 1997, Peniel Romanelli wrote:

> Every once in a while somebody sends me a #@$& MonopolySoft Word document
> as an email attachment. Definitely NOT human-readable!
>
> Does anyone know of a utility to strip all the formatting (and whatever
> else) gobbledegook and produce a plain ASCII document?  Looked on
> SimTel in the /txtutil subdirectory. They have a utility to convert TO
> MSWord but not FROM!  Aargh!  8-(

I thought VDE was able to read and display MS Word on the LX. Maybe you
can then save it without formatting. You have to load the document using
the "/m" option.

Also, on my LX, the few MSW docs I've received I was able to read using
(of all things) Filer / F8.  The built-in viewer seems to strip out
non-printable chars and the MSW docs were fairly readable (tho without the
imbedded graphics of course...and some tables with columns were a mess).
Just a thought.

- Longden

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Okay, I finished the new version of WWWMenu.  Looks identical but now
you don't need so much expanded memory (or any at all, in fact).  It's
at my web site.

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<<Every once in a while somebody sends me a #@$& MonopolySoft Word
document =

as an email attachment. Definitely NOT human-readable!>>

I have had no trouble generally reading the body of a Word document using=

F8 View from within Filer. Have you tried that, or do you really need t=
o
edit the document?

     Regards,
     Carl

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No, problewm with 38400bps.

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How about something like this?

| VIEW 11.3a   - the file viewer for DOS.
| Read, convert and print Wordperfect, Word, Word for Windows, Ami Pro, =

| Wordstar, Write, Notepad, HTML, ASCII, ANSI and UNIX files.
| Full text search functions.  Several print functions. Use in DOS or =

| e-mail shell. NOT CRIPPLED. Customizable.

The size is a bit on the large size (in my book): 85K. I picked the autho=
rs
name up from the docs:

| Compuserve 70574,3457
| INTERNET mdrury@nrcan.gc.ca or 70574.3457@compuserve.com
| http://www.emr.ca/~mdrury/shware.html

| Malcolm Drury
| 11 Adele Crescent
| Nepean    ON   K2J 2T7
| CANADA
| Tel. +1 613 825-1683 after 6 p.m. Eastern Time

If you have problems with getting it, email me and I will send it as
uuencoded ZIP or LZH.

Jorgen
    =

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From:         PALMTOPS@AIRGUNHQ.COM
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Subject:      Palmtop parts kit??
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LL>I ordered my kit back in June '97 (HP part #F1216-60998, phone
  >800-227-8164) for $20, and it came with a pack of screws.

LL>When did you get your parts kit?

LL>Can anyone confirm whether the contents of the parts kit have perhaps
  >changed in the last few months?

LL>Maybe you can call HP and advise them that the part was missing (unless
  >this was added only recently).

LL>BTW, my kit included several rubber feet as well.

Can anyone tell me what is in this parts kit?  I need a couple of
those rubber feet, a couple screws, a new battery hatch cover, a new
leaf spring (or whatever was in there) for the latch that holds the
Palmtop shut, and maybe more!  If not for tape, glue, and velcro (my
replacement for the latch) my Palmtop would be out of business!  TIA.

(Sorry for not quoting the entire message plus the list SIGNATURE, but
old habits are hard to break! <g>)

Jim

  jim@airgunhq.com    jim@airpower.com

 * 1st 2.00 ~ Seinfeld of Borg:D'juh ever notice resistance is futile?

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I mistakenly hard reset my 200LX.  Fortunately I have backup of =
everything in it.
Now I need to set the system/global password again.  Since I could not =
find the manual,
can somebody tell me how?  Please e-mail directly to sentot@bigfoot.com. =
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=20
Sentot Adiprasena
Jakarta, Indonesia

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Ordered my kit on Thursday got it on Friday.  Lots of parts
3 screws, 4 end caps, 2 IR doors, 2 battery doors, 2 backup battery
containers, 2 engraving plates, 8 rubber feet
-----Original Message-----
From: PALMTOPS@AIRGUNHQ.COM <PALMTOPS@AIRGUNHQ.COM>
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Date: Saturday, October 18, 1997 9:34 PM
Subject: Palmtop parts kit??


>LL>I ordered my kit back in June '97 (HP part #F1216-60998, phone
>  >800-227-8164) for $20, and it came with a pack of screws.
>
>LL>When did you get your parts kit?
>
>LL>Can anyone confirm whether the contents of the parts kit have perhaps
>  >changed in the last few months?
>
>LL>Maybe you can call HP and advise them that the part was missing (unless
>  >this was added only recently).
>
>LL>BTW, my kit included several rubber feet as well.
>
>Can anyone tell me what is in this parts kit?  I need a couple of
>those rubber feet, a couple screws, a new battery hatch cover, a new
>leaf spring (or whatever was in there) for the latch that holds the
>Palmtop shut, and maybe more!  If not for tape, glue, and velcro (my
>replacement for the latch) my Palmtop would be out of business!  TIA.
>
>(Sorry for not quoting the entire message plus the list SIGNATURE, but
>old habits are hard to break! <g>)
>
>Jim
>
>  jim@airgunhq.com    jim@airpower.com
>
> * 1st 2.00 ~ Seinfeld of Borg:D'juh ever notice resistance is futile?
>
>--
> (Jim Henry)
> AirPower Services    http://www.voicenet.com/~jimhenry
> Interested in Firearms, RKBA, Airguns, the Shooting Sports?
> AirPower BBS * 24 hrs/day * 28800 bps * 610.259.2193
>     PRN Regional HQ, Northeast United States
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Subject:      Re: Palmtop parts kit??
Comments: cc: PALMTOPS@AIRGUNHQ.COM

Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 01:48:08 +0000
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On 1997-10-19 HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu said to lloo@worldnet.att.net

   >Can anyone tell me what is in this parts kit?  I need a couple of
   >those rubber feet, a couple screws, a new battery hatch cover, a new
   >leaf spring (or whatever was in there) for the latch that holds the
   >Palmtop shut, and maybe more!  If not for tape, glue, and velcro (my
   >replacement for the latch) my Palmtop would be out of business!

The kit ordered from HP (800-227-8164, part #F1216-60998 for $20) came with:

2 - IR covers
2 - backup battery holder trays
2 - engraving nameplates
2 - battery hatch covers
4 - hinge caps
3 - machine screws (presumably for under the rubber feet)
7 - rubber feet (may have been 8...I might've lost 1)

It's called the Palmtop Maintenance Kit. I don't know if there's one for the
100LX as well. There's nothing to fix a loose latch...I think the FAQ
covers that issue.

- Longden

Net-Tamer V 1.08 Palm Top - Registered

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Subject:      SecureDevice... available where??

Head to http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/cbsw.html from where you can get
SecureDevice, SecureDrive, and SFS, all of which I think will work on
the HPx00lx series (SecureDevice does for sure, since I'm using it....)
Suresh Nirody

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  >>Another great way to protect your LX is to activate the
Buddy password feature (available only to registered users
tho...). This allows you <<

If you have Software Carousel, you can switch to a DOS only
work area even with Buddy's password active.  So, if you know
someone's SC hot keys, you could defeat Buddy's password.  Also,
a hard reset will bypass Buddy's password as well.

Steve Carder S_Carder@compuserve.com

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I'm about to start on my Newton->LX project, and was finally able to get some
connectors (the mini-DIN 8 pin females). If you're having trouble getting
these, I'd be willing to procure them for you. Send me a check for $3 each
(3.50 to Canada, 4.00 overseas) and I'll send you one by return mail.

Waldemar Kowalski/NLX
PO Box 579
Kirkland, WA 98083

Thanks!
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I was one of the first to note and report this here, and went for the Express Exchange. HP did NOT charge me for the exchange
itself (I had to pay for the 3year extension, of course). Don't know what the criteria are for being/not being charged...
wally

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> Can you remind me again...how much conventional memory do I have =
to give
> up to use stacker (assuming I have EMM). Does JAM have similar password
> protection (anyone?).

From what I recall the stacker 4 driver will eat about 40K (using ems
to load it partially) - version 3 about 30k+. Can't say if jam has =
a
pwd feature...

> Does Buddy coordinate its pwd with stacker? (ie, volume doesn't mount
> unless the correct daily pwd is used for Buddy?).

Buddy will work on a stacker drive but independently of stacker. Also
the buddy pwd won't kick in on a reboot - it is time controlled (can
also be done manually w/Fn+F). And of course if buddy is on a stacked
drive it will certainly be depending on that stacker pwd... :-)

> How much more memory do I give up for Buddy?

About 58k w/the world time overlay feature - 48K without. No chance =
of
loading into ems either AFAIK...

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From:         PALMTOPS@AIRGUNHQ.COM
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-> It's called the Palmtop Maintenance Kit. I don't know if there's one
-> for the 100LX as well. There's nothing to fix a loose latch...I think
-> the FAQ covers that issue.

Where can I find the FAQ?

Jim

--
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> If you have Software Carousel, you can switch to a DOS only
> work area even with Buddy's password active.  So, if you know
> someone's SC hot keys, you could defeat Buddy's password.  Also,
> a hard reset will bypass Buddy's password as well.

Under sc, as long as you switch away from your appmgr session/s you
can outsmart buddy but if you are unfortunate enough to run into
someone with ill intentions and they know their way around the lx well
enough to bypass buddy using an sc hot-key, you're really in for it
one way or the other! I'm sure they are many (even on this list) who
have never used sc...

And besides, no buddy's perfect...

Regards,

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PALMTOPS@AIRGUNHQ.COM wrote:

> Where can I find the FAQ?


I'm pretty sure the most recent version is on my web site.

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Visit the HP200LX site at http://coyote.accessnv.com/davidsa/hp

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  >>Every once in a while somebody sends me a #@$& MonopolySoft
Word document  as an email attachment. Definitely NOT
human-readable!<<

The following was clipped from a post on Compuserve's HPHand
forum.  I have not gotten around to downloading this myself, so
no personal information.

http://www2.support.lotus.com/ftp/pub/comm/ccmail/3rdparty/View.exe

at 78k is ideal for any Dos based computer.  It gives an error
message on the newest Word version, but goes ahead and displays
a readable copy of the document.  Handles all but the newest
versions pretty seamlessly and has several other nice features.

Steve Carder S_Carder@compuserve.com

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At 11:03 AM 10/18/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm about to start on my Newton->LX project, and was finally able to get some
>connectors (the mini-DIN 8 pin females).
>wally

Wally,

I presume that you intend to replace the D-connector (PC side) of the HP
cable with the DIN connector, and then connect that to the Newton keyboard.
 Is there any reason why you couldn't open the keyboard, desolder the
existing cable and solder in the HP cable (minus the D connector) ?

Rich

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Hi folks-

I wanted to thank everyone who sent suggestions for handling MSWord
documents on the palmtop.
        David asked if it was DOS or WinDoze version. - WinDoze
        Lynn mentioned a freeware MSWord reader
        Longden & Carl both suggested FilerF8(View)
        Longden also suggested VDE with the /m switch
        Jorgen found a program called VIEW
Thanks to all of you. Here's what I've found so far.
        The Filer view function works quite decently for reading
        Both LIST and the StereoShell viewer display the text, but also
          the non-readable stuff.
        MEMO doesn't do much.
        PE also displays all the non-readables
        VDE /m doesn't handle the WinDoze version of word. (at least
          not the doc I tried it on)
        I haven't tried downloading the software Lynn & Jorgen
          suggested yet. That's next. Sometimes I want to save the text
          for reference, so it needs conversion to ASCII.

I really appreciate all you help. Thanks 8-)

PR
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Subject:      Re: LaTeX (Was: MUSIC on 200LX)
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> What did I do? If I remember correctly, I first got the TeX
> distribution from SimTel (sbtex). I compiled it on the palmtop
> according to the included instructions. They were not simple, but
> complete enough to get it to work.
>
> Next, I downloaded a DVI-viewer that works on the palmtop. DVIEW did
> the trick. The palmtop screen is not really ideal for page previewing,
> but it works.
>
> For printing with the Pentax Pocketjet, dvilj2p works nicely.
>
> Finally, I downloaded LaTeX 2.09 and compiled it using the TeX
> compiler.
>
> Oh, yes, later on I installed bibtex (from the emtex distribution).
>
> I am afraid you need to dig into the READMEs for more detailed
> instruction. If you have a local TeX guru, this might be of great help.
>
> The only thing I can say: once you are through the installation, it
> really is great! The formatter is reasonably fast too. The weakest
> point is previewing on the small screen.
>
> takes about 1.5 megs.
>
> Speed: reasonably fast. Actually, I was quite surprised. It is just =
> a
> little slower than the Linux version on a 75Mhz/468 laptop.

Hi Andreas,

would it be possible that you make all these installation of
yours available please, because I wouldn't be able to do what
you had to do. So were some of us on the lists...

Rudi

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Subject:      HELP:Appointment database problems with 200lx

Hi there -

I have been recently having some problems with my 50k appointment .adb file.


It seems to stem from the brought forward todo items.  When marking them as
done
or trying to delete them I get an error message 'Record not found'.

I have tried Garlic which has reduced the file in size but other problems
started to appear so I feel uneasy using that program.

Some questions:


- is there a minimum amount of space on the current drive required for swap
files?
- are there documented problems with brought forward todo items
- is there a file size limit above which problems start to occur

I'd appreciate any comments.



Brian Girling


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a) Cost = $0 b) Memory: you need to put a device=secdev.sys line in your
config.sys, and secdev.sys is 6,944 bytes. c) Passphrase: Run login.com,
put in your passphrase to "enable" the drive and you're set until you
run logout.com (or reboot). Powering off and on is OK... d) Performance:
No perceivable slowdown using Memo, HV, Quicken, VR, Flexpad, etc.,
slight slowdown using Lxpic in slide/video mode.... Ran it w/ Stacker
for a very short while, until I got a 40Mb card and removed Stacker. e)
Availability: see earlier msg. Suresh

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Subject:      Re: MUSIC IN HP200LX

On 1997-10-17 HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU said to ddvteach@digital.
net
   >>    >additions for LaTeX on a unix system - other LaTeX
   >>output     >is beautiful, but it all looks like an awful
   >>look of     >trouble to install...
   >>    I tried that long ago, and I found it extremely
   >unintuitive.
   >The calculation is pretty simple:
   >If you want to be able to have the software installed
   >within minutes and you want to be able to start typing
   >something within minutes, but can live with loooong times
   >to produce a text and many hours of formatting and if you
   >can live with a mediocre result on the paper, = use
   >one of the wysiwyg text processors such as WinWord.
                       

   Text processors?  I thought we were talking about music
   programs (see Subject: line).  My comment related to what
   Brendan was talking about (I don't think he named it, but
   I understood he was referering to Mutex and Musictex, both
   of which are lousy for someone like me who needs to work
   with music symbols directly (I admired programmers, but
   I need to get the job done quickly).
   On the other hand, for anything requiring hours of work
   I'll generally use my desktop, which is more confortable
   for focused work.   I prefer my palmtop for work on the
   go, and for when I don't want to be bothered to sit at
   one location too long.

   Domingo

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: Not to rain on your parade either, but really my point in all of this is
: that you CAN start out small! Who were those guys that started out in
: their garage? Apple?
:

I don't disagree that you can start off small. I'm in the middle of doing
it, so you'd better be right :-)
However, when you start small, you pick areas that you can compete in
successfully, and that usually means servicing an unnoticed niche -
unnoticed by Microsoft and the other big guys, especially.

So, apple and the other early guys could come out with a computer in a
wooden box, off-the-shelf  keyboard, low tech board manufacturing, etc. and
it would still sell. My point is that the HP200LX replacement we've been
talking about must be AT LEAST as good as the current unit mechanically,
plus better in terms of electronics. HP has set a standard that is tough to
get to, and they still didn't get it completely right (hinge cracks as a
point). So, after you've spent $200,000 on tooling to duplicate the HP
enclosure, you find that you've got a consistent cracking problem. If you
don't have HP's deep pockets, what's your capability to satisfy your
customers?

: I see competing in a small business against giants as a kind of
: Tao-Teh-King way of doing business. Wu-Wei. Or was that some other
: discipline? And of course a positive attitude will get you quite a ways.
: I wouldn't call it Zen as that is a lot later practice and requires a
: lot of lumps on the head. Or was Wu-Wei from Zen? *I* don't know.
:

As above, the whole point was to hit the giant where he's weakest. I'm not
sure that designing miniature consumer appliances is where NEC, Casio, HP,
Philips, Hitachi, etc. are weak.

: I'm just trying to be optimistic. I have noticed that in nearly every
: case where I suggest some hopeful, optimistic method of solving a
: problem in a public forum like the Internet, Fido Net or even BBSes, for
: SURE for every one person that agrees with your idea there will be ten
: more that will trash it heavily! NO NO! Not possible! Can't be done! Too
: easy!  etc.. Sigh! It's a wonder anything gets done in this world! For
: it just can't be solved! In other words, any statement of CAN gives ten
: responses of CAN'T!
:

Its good to be optimistic, and in my own business I've been working away
for 6 years and now am finally getting some glimmer of a payback. If I
wasn't optimistic, I'd be working for some big company by now. However,
I've got a mechanical component to my product (a custom extended PCMICA
card) and I've personally written the checks to pay for the design and
manfacture. And, I've experienced the occasional expensive failure along
the way. So, what I'm saying is this:

If, after you've examined all the downside, you still think its worthwhile
to pursue, then go for it. Just make sure that you are aware of the $$ and
time you'll need to invest.

: Anyway, a 200LX-like upgrade with some standard stuff in Rom that can be
: unplugged and changed would be nice, more memory, etc. I would think
: that it would take a group of (optimistic, probably young) guys that
: know plastics, case design, programming, hardware design, LCDs, and then
: give them the list in Lynn Cavendish's 260LX post. And if each one of
: these guys (one or two women would be OK :-) was sharp in his field,
: they could have a going concern in a year or two. AND they would have a
: lot of fun!
:

You missed one thing from this list: money. You need an optimistic old guy
with about $1 million to spend on development and about the same on
marketing. Because, even supposing you could get these gung ho kids to work
for free, you still need to pay for materials, tooling, etc.

But, like I said before, I'm not saying that you shouldn't do it. I'm just
saying that you have to know the costs and the risks.

: In fact, is there a newsgroup out there that is attended by developers
: of these kinds of devices?
:

Maybe. Haven't seen one though.

: I would hope that lots of groups of people get together like this all
: the time, like possibly on university campuses, where the future is
: born.
:

Ya. That was me and my classmates. Out of 50 in my graduating engineering
class (15 years ago), at least 25 have successful businesses that they've
started on their own. But, as far as I know, none of them have gone head to
head with HP as a startup.

: Bob Aldrich
: Los Angeles
:
: By the way, Rick, what do you want for your IBM 386 black/white VGA
: thinkpad? I need a good writing computer that isn't full of bells and
: whistles I can play with...
:

Sorry, not for sale. That's where I do my HP200LX development :-)

rick

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-> > Where can I find the FAQ?
->
-> I'm pretty sure the most recent version is on my web site.
->
-> --
-> Visit the HP200LX site at http://coyote.accessnv.com/davidsa/hp

Thanks David.  Next time I visit the www I'll look for it.

Jim

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http://www.ivpgi.com
Check this site out. They develop miniature PCs. They might be interested (who knows)
in making something newer of our palmtop?
!tagline

PGP Public Key Fingerprint = E3 90 4F AB 37 A0 33 F4  56 F1 91 36 9A C9 A2 39

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I'm having a strange problem with a small database on my 200LX.  The
category
field has 13 catagories and will not let me add another catagory to the
list.
When I type in a new entry in the catagory box and hit enter or tab the
entry
disappears...

Anyone have any idea what's going on and how to fix????

I ran it through garlic and it didn't help.

Bill Gossage
gooose@interaccess.com

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: please eleminate the use of the N word from this list  Good taste is not
to
: be found only in the mouth! Tx Roy

I agree completely.  But now we have language Polizi!

Joking, of course.

Ian Butler
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Jorgen Dybdahl <JDybdahl@COMPUSERVE.COM> wrote:

> | VIEW 11.3a   - the file viewer for DOS.
> | Read, convert and print Wordperfect, Word, Word for Windows, Ami=
 Pro,
> | Wordstar, Write, Notepad, HTML, ASCII, ANSI and UNIX files.
 <snip...>
> | http://www.emr.ca/~mdrury/shware.html

Yep, this is what I need.  Thanks again.  There's a newer version -
13.3a and a new URL:
        http:www.nrcan.gc.ca/~mdrury/shware.html
The executable is about 92K.  File date is 9/20/97

BTW - A while back somebody on the list (was it Domingo??) was looking
for a utility to search thru multiple files for a string. Check out=
 the
URL above.  There is an accessory program for VIEW that does this.

Also - Steve - Thanks for your suggestion. Haven't checked the site=
 you
gave yet. The file name is also VIEW, so it may be an earlier version
of this program.

Later--

PR
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Subject:      Re: nostalgy.......old games for palmtop.....

Hi Martin,
Could you also send me a zipped file of those games?

TIA,
Robin
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The URL below is wrong.  The actual URL is:

http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/~mdrury/shware.html


--- On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:00:03 -0400  Peniel Romanelli <peniel@WEB2000.NET> wrote:

>Yep, this is what I need.  Thanks again.  There's a newer version -
>13.3a and a new URL:
>        http:www.nrcan.gc.ca/~mdrury/shware.html
>The executable is about 92K.  File date is 9/20/97
>
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Does anyone have or know where to get the old dos game executive suite?

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Is this the old Vern Buerg shareware program?  Man, I loved that
thing!

> BTW - A while back somebody on the list (was it Domingo??) was
> looking for a utility to search thru multiple files for a string.
> Check out the URL above.  There is an accessory program for VIEW
> that does this.
---
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> please eleminate the use of the N word from this list

My apologies for the offence caused. :( I was thinking of the Seinfeld
episode with the "Soup XXXX"; so the offence was not intentional.

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Stan,

> Lxmidi  seems to require format 0 tunes. I havn't found anything like that.
> Is there a conversion pgm that I need?

Yes; the SUPER site has such a program called "midito0" (or something
similar). Just make a bat file to preprocess the midi file.

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I have to question here: what word was used that was so offensive? =
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can't recall any offensive messages being posted.
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>just read your talkback, seems like you got all you need...how long have you
>been using it? where did you get it? how much $? built in sound/modem? what
>would you improve ? thanks for the info.                                 Bill
>in S.F.
>


A good place to get a 200LX these days is
from Shier Systems

see http://www.shier.com/

You can get a double speed HP 200LX with 8 MEG for $575.00 from
Shier.  They also sell the Newton keyboard that you can connect
to the HP200 LX for touch typing.  I love it.  I'm writing my next
book on it at lunch time.

See also http://www.pdapage.com/hppalm.htm for a list of places
to buy the 200LX and various accessories.

The 200LX does not have built-in sound, but you can send
MIDI (musical instrument digital interface) data to
a MIDI instrument that has a serial interface.  Or you can
get a special interface for MIDI instruments that don't have the
serial interface.  A stream of MIDI data does not contain
sound data, but rather instructions to the musical instrument
about what note to play, at what velocity, what instrument sound,
etc.

The fax modem is not built-in.  You can get one for $69.95 extra.
(Manuals $15.00)

The main thing I like about the 200LX is that I can install specialized
DOS programs that meet my needs and I can develop software
on it directly, which I can do with a WINCE machine.

You may want to join the HP 200LX discussion group for more
information:

Send email to:

       LISTSERV@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU

In the body of the email put:

       SUBSCRIBE HPLX-L

Visit http://www.ilovemusic.com  to explore music and dance!
Ear Trainer-software to improve your ear (HP 200LX or desktop PCs)
SHE--shareware Hypertext editor for HP 200 LX call or write for more info.
MASTERY--shareware program to help you master any subject!
Phil Seyer (415) 665-8933, ext. 333

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Hello All,
I was sitting having one of those amazing Australian caffine fixes, trying
to work out how to impliment a data logger when my eyes were caught by my
200lx. The Idea is to clock a CMOS counter from the palmtop, feeding the
output into a voltage divider and then to an operational amplifier,
feeding the output back into the port. When the voltage divider output
exceeds the input voltage (which you want the level of), the output from
the OP amplifier would swich and be read by the palmtop. Then the number
of output pulses (representing the sampled voltage) would be output to a
file, greaph etc., the counter would be reset by another pulse from the
serial port and the whole process would start all over again.
Confused?????

The advantages are that the hardware is easy and cheap to build, about
A$5.00, and only two outpus and one input are used. The disadvantages are
that it would be slow, I think One second 8 bit resolution would be
optimistic and that I have no Idea how to control the palmtop port!

The Problem: How do I switch an output (TD, DSR, RTS) to clock and reset
the counter and; How do I read a level in (High/Low) from an input (RD,
DTR, DSR, RI). My programming skills extend only to Basic (and Z80
assembler...), though I might have to learn C.

Any Ideas or pointers???. It'd be nice to come home to a graph of how my
Solar Panels have worked over the day, or the temperature range in the
fish pond throughout the day!

Cheers
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  >>I have been recently having some problems with my 50k
appointment .adb file. It seems to stem from the brought
forward todo items.  When marking them as done or trying to
delete them I get an error message 'Record not found'. <<

Try this.  Make a copy of your problem appt file using Filer. =

Open Appointment, then do Menu File New and give this new, empty
file a name.  Now do Menu File Merge and select the copy of
your problem file.  Sometimes the HP is able to clear up errors
by merging the data into a new, undamaged file.

Steve Carder S_Carder@compuserve.com

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BTW, there is a nice article about managing database and appt files in the current issue of the
Palmtop Paper.

--- On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 07:52:11 -0400  Steve Carder <S_Carder@COMPUSERVE.COM> wrote:

>  >>I have been recently having some problems with my 50k
>appointment .adb file. It seems to stem from the brought
>forward todo items.  When marking them as done or trying to
>delete them I get an error message 'Record not found'. <<
>
>Try this.  Make a copy of your problem appt file using Filer.
>Open Appointment, then do Menu File New and give this new, empty
>file a name.  Now do Menu File Merge and select the copy of
>your problem file.  Sometimes the HP is able to clear up errors
>by merging the data into a new, undamaged file.

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  "Michael Stocker" <mdstockr@neo.lrun.com>
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Hi there.

Last weekend I wrote a little DOS-Program (12k) to draw simple objects
(lines, text) in the pc-textmode. I called it 'textdraw 0.1'.
You can use it for email-graphics like this:


<snip>
HOW TO FIND MY HOME:    Dieter Schoppitsch

                        Gregorygasse 21

                        1230 Vienna

                        AUSTRIA, Europe


***********************************************************



         Breitenfurterstrasse             City ->



*****************     ********************  ***************

                *  G  *                 *  *

    Gas-        *  r  *                *  *

    station     *  e  *               *  *

                *  g  ****************  *

                *  o    Chromy-        *

                *  r    gasse         *

                *  y  ****************

               *  g  *

     N          *  a  *  X <- here is my home

                *  s  *

                *  s  *

                *  e  *

                *     *


<snip>


So my questions are:
   Does anybody know a program to produce 'textgraphics'?
   Is it worth to work on it?
       (features like circles, rectangles, polygons,
       lines with '-_/\|', edit&move objects)


Regards
Dieter

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I have seen this also.  I don't have a solution, but can only suggest
the use of <ctrl-L> to "repaint" the screen.

Phil

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On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 PALMTOPS@AIRGUNHQ.COM wrote:

> -> It's called the Palmtop Maintenance Kit. I don't know if there's one
> -> for the 100LX as well. There's nothing to fix a loose latch...I think
> -> the FAQ covers that issue.
>
> Where can I find the FAQ?

Per the tag line for this list-group:

> List Archives & FAQ links can be found at:
> http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml

Al's website has pointers to 2 FAQs.

- Longden

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Subject:      Vern Buerg's LIST

>Date:    Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:20:31 -0400
>From:    B Wills <btw@VNET.NET>
>Is this the old Vern Buerg shareware program?  Man, I loved that thing!

If you are a fan of Vern Buerg's programs try his site:

   http://www.buerg.com/about.html

Cheers,
Russ

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Ken A. Moore wrote:

> I visited your web site and found it very interesting. It is obvious that you are pretty sharp on the HP200LX. I hope you don't mind my e-mailing you directly but several of your contributions on the HPLX mail list have caught my interest and I would deeply appreciate if you could help me out with the following as I have not gotten an answer from a previously posted note on the list.


Unfortunately, I don't have any IrDA devices to test the drivers with.  However, I'll see what I can find out.
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Greetings,

        If you don't want to give up 40+kB for Buddy, but miss the
Smart Caps and d-key features, try the BUDDYDOS program. It eats only
12kB. You need to load it before MaxDOS.com if you want it to be active
in these sessions.

BTW: the DOS rev only works for registered users.

Cheers,


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Greetings:

On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 01:51:00,
        jim.henry@airgunhq.com (Jim Henry)Wrote:

> Where can I find the FAQ?

Both Dave's & Rob's FAQ's are now linked to the HPLX site listed below.

Cheers,



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I've had the 1300mAh NiMh batteries for about 1.5 weeks now and thought
I'd pass this observation to ABC/LX users about charging.

ABC/LX's "auto-tune" feature initially charged the batteries to 2.88 volts
and on completion, set that as the max voltage with a stall time of
1:43.

After the charge ran down in a few days, I re-charged using those
settings, but was only able to charge to 2.73 volts.

Remembering several other postings about increasing the stall time for
NiMh batteries, I reset the stall time to 4:00  and continued the charge
which ended 8 hrs later at 2.88 volts.

I don't recall any special instructions in ABC/LX for NiMh, but it seems
the recommended (via auto-tune) stall time is low for this type of
battery. OTOH, I don't know how much risk increasing the stall time puts
you in regards to damaging the batteries (and possibly the LX) during
re-charge.

The batteries are the ones from http://www.yessolar.com for $10/pair.

Anyone else have insights/experiences with charging these?

BTW. I got twice the usage time (measured by ABC/LX) as compared to
1100mAh Panasonic NiCads.

- Longden

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On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Al Kind wrote:

> > Where can I find the FAQ?
>
> Both Dave's & Rob's FAQ's are now linked to the HPLX site listed below.

BTW, for Al (Kind), Dave (Sargent), and Rob (Tillotson). I have yet
another copy of the FAQ that seems to have different information that
either Dave's or Rob's copy.

My copy was fetched about a year ago from C.S.P. archives (maybe via
DejaNews) and was a monthly posted FAQ sent to csp by Richard Cochran.

The date of the mailing was 1/3/96. The subject line was:
        HP100LX Frequently Asked Questions.

A specific difference was that this FAQ had the dirty details of how to
make LapLink work  (which files to copy and the steps to take) which was
not documented in the manual (nor in the other two FAQs). This is a
straight text version so maybe noone ever converted it to HTML before the
author dropped active support. I don't know what else is different.

It's a 66k file. Let me know if anyone wants a copy.

- Longden

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I would like to convert some Windows 95 icons for use in HP 200LX.  Can
anyone tell me where I can find such small program on the internet.

Thanks,

Raymond

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Dieter Schoppitsch wrote:

> So my questions are:
>    Does anybody know a program to produce 'textgraphics'?
>    Is it worth to work on it?
>        (features like circles, rectangles, polygons,
>        lines with '-_/\|', edit&move objects)

I think its worth working in a program like that. I'm taking school notes
on my HP200LX, and i don't have time to open any paint-program, because
when I'm done with the picture the lesson is over... I usualy make ascii
images with the keyboard , but it also takes alot of time. I'm only 16
years old and i can't and don't have the time to teach myself any
programing language.
Regards,
  Johan =C5hl=E9n
  mailto:lyyk@swipnet.se

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Anyone on the list use their 200LX to access Compuserve.

I have connected using the DataComm application acting as a
terminal emulator but terminal level access is not particularly
user friendly. I have a vague recollection that Compuserve =

used to supply a DOS based front end before Windows (and
the WinCIM front end) arrived. Has anyone tried this out of =

interest?

I have  found that I cannot access EMail as I use the new mailing =

system provided by Compuserve that allows text based EMail =

addresses rather than the awkward numbers they used to =

use. This new system does not provide terminal access.

I realise that AcCIS is available but am reluctant to shell out for =

it at the moment, together with the added compplication that I
am based in the UK where it is not available - as far as I know.
Does the current version of AcCIS provide access to the new =

style Email system provided by Compuserve?

Any recommendations would be welcome.

Thanks

Laurence Harvey

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There are a couple of icon viewer/converters on the SUPER site
www.palmtop.net/super One is icn2bmp and I can't recall the name of the
other. I have used them both and they work quite well.

73 de KF4KGQ
Jeff Johns
jeffj@scott.net

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On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Laurence Harvey wrote:
> user friendly. I have a vague recollection that Compuserve
> used to supply a DOS based front end before Windows (and
> the WinCIM front end) arrived. Has anyone tried this out of
> interest?

There's another package available (not from CIS, but a third party) called
Tapcis.  I'm at work, but I'll try to get the info to you tonight.

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Would someone please give me some guidance with the following:

If the autoexec.bat and config.sys files are copied as-is from the D drive to the C drive will the HP200LX operate correctly?

Is there a need to edit the autoexec.bat and config.sys files to work correctly on the C drive?

After the files are copied onto the C drive, is there a need to re-boot in order to activate the new files?

If so, is it best to Ctrl-Shift-On?

What I am trying to do is install an IR HP Laser Jet Printer driver that was downloaded from the SUPER site. In the installation instructions there are a few lines that are quite brief about copying, editing and adding lines to the autoexec.bat file.

I am sure that to many of you these are simple basic procedure. However, I don't want to end up making a grave mistake. Pardon my repeating this question but I have asked it before and e-mailed several individually but haven't gotten an answer yet.
Thanks ever so much,
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I am sure you will get many responses, so I will keep mine short.
>
>If the autoexec.bat and config.sys files are copied as-is from the D drive to
>the C drive will the HP200LX operate correctly?

Yes, those are the same files that it uses when it boots, it just
"finds" them in D: if they are not in C:.

>Is there a need to edit the autoexec.bat and config.sys files to work
>correctly on the C drive?

No, not unless you need to for some additional reason other than
"normal" operation.

>After the files are copied onto the C drive, is there a need to re-boot in
>order to activate the new files?

No, not unless you make changes to them that you want activated now.
The next time you re-boot (ctrl-alt-del) they will be accessed and any
changes will take effect.

>If so, is it best to Ctrl-Shift-On?

Use Ctrl-Alt-Del.  It's not necessary to reinitialize the palmtop to get
autoexec.bat and config.sys to work "magic" on your system.
>
>I am sure that to many of you these are simple basic procedure.

It's the simple stuff that causes some of the greatest headaches.  :)

Phil

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Send me a copy and I'll incorporate it.
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Just want to add to Phils message: =


You have to copy CONFIG.SYS to make the computer look at the AUTOEXEC.BAT=

on C - I seem to remember that the LX looks for CONFIG.SYS and will boot =
on
D: as normal if it cannot see it on C:.

Jorgen
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> Anyone on the list use their 200LX to access Compuserve.

DOSCIM will get NEWMAIL for you. So will acCIS4. I use acCIS4.

These are the only 2 practical ways to do HMI with CIS, on the
palmtop,AFAIK. TapCIS do have an HMI OLR which does run on the palmtop
but is not recommended (by the Tapcis folk) because of slowness - on
the palmtop.

I don't know if DOSCIM is still available on CIS. It should be. They
used to have a forum of the same name but that seems to be dead now.

If you have to use HMI (which you need for NEWMAIL).. and on the
palmtop, then I would recommend acCIS4. Otherwise you could try
switching to OLDMAIL - then there is TapCIS5.0 (I think) which runs
well and does the terminal thing.

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> If the autoexec.bat and config.sys files are copied as-is from the =
D
> drive to the C drive will the HP200LX operate correctly?

Yup Ken, just give it a try. Copy them to c:\ and reboot using

CRL+ALT+DEL

Everything should go fine..unless you have a card in the slot and a
config.sys and autoexec.bat on your a: drive, but don't let this aside
put you off.

  > Is there a need to edit the autoexec.bat and config.sys files to
work correctly on the C drive?

No.

  > After the files are copied onto the C drive, is there a need to
re-boot in order to activate the new files?

Yup.

 > If so, is it best to Ctrl-Shift-On?

No CTRL+ALT+DEL is best. (The other (left shift+ctrl+on) is much
stronger and is usually only needed rarely.. it asks if it should
reformat your c: drive for example and you have to be careful to say
"N" usually).

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I use DOSCIM every day to access CompuServe (email and forums), though
from a desktop computer. You can set it up for a b/w screen with a switch=
=2E

The following should give an idea about the filesizes.

/cserve/doscim:
cim.cf2         808|cimutil.zip  355807|doscim.ini      169
cim.exe*    1103776|cim.mnu         785|
cim.hlp      101464|doscim.grp      874|

/cserve/support: 163840
/cserve/scripts: 884736
(You should be able to delete most of the contents of these two
directories after the setup, unless you need to access CIS in a
multitude of countries/networks).

On top of this you need space for email (especially from this list!),
downloads and whatever else.

I have omitted the 744K setup program. If one is not an existing member
one need this to setup CIS once and for all. However this can be done on
another computer. =


I think you can still access CIS via a terminal program (I tested a
program not too long ago but did not really do much) though I am not
sure you can fetch the email as the new naming system moved the mail to
the internet.

However you can call FTP and TELNET on DOSCIM, but not a web browser. I
don't recall having heard about a LYNX derivate for CIS though there may
be one. (I use W3.1 or W-shudder!-95 for WWW).

I do not know if you can fetch your email via an LX-Internet program -
ask the CIS helpforum.

Unless there is general interest in this subject, email me directly if
you want help or more info.

Jorgen
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Shier Systems has a CIS access program written specifically for the
HP100/200 lx computers, with forum, e-mail access, etc. I havent used the
product myself but thought I would pass along the URL to their site. It
even has a screen shot of their CIS browser.

http://www.shier.com/Software.html

Dan
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Hi, palmtoppers!
I found a nice Wheel of Fortune-type game that runs very well on the LX.
It's called Conjecture, and a demo (50 puzzles) is available from RSE
software at:
http://users.aol.com/rse/dos.htm
(it's a slowish site, so be patient)

The registered version is only $10 plus shipping and has 1600 puzzles and
an editor to make your own.  RSE also has other interesting shareware
DOS programs available at that site, but I haven't tried them yet.

I have no connection to RSE except as a happy customer.

Cheers!
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After my last reply to a message, I found a DOS-INET faq for using
Compuserve for PPP internet access.

Email me directly if you want a copy - Maybe some of you guys with a WWW
site would take it? (my site is not ready yet).

Jorgen  =

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> > My apologies for the offence caused...
>
> Thank You! People like you make managing this list much easier.
Thanks :)

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Dieter wrote:
> Last weekend I wrote a little DOS-Program (12k) to draw simple objects
> (lines, text) in the pc-textmode. I called it 'textdraw 0.1'.

I received the graphics double-spaced. A \n \r feature?
>                 *  G  *                 *  *
>
>     Gas-        *  r  *                *  *
>
>     station     *  e  *               *  *

>    Does anybody know a program to produce 'textgraphics'?
Not I. Related ideas were mooted here, but AFAIK, no program was written.

>    Is it worth to work on it?
I think so. Especially if you can keep the size down as well as you have
thus far! Some say Windows killed ascii graphics; but efficiency is immortal.

NB using floating point for circles could blow out your program size.

I think it's a fun and useful project! Good luck. :)
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> Then the number of output pulses (representing the sampled voltage)
> would be output to a file, greaph etc.
Like, each pulse sent from the hplx increases the voltage; and when this
exceeds the voltage you want to measure, it resets the voltage to zero
again, and tells the hplx?

A cheap A-to-D converter would be really cool...

> My programming skills extend only to Basic (and Z80 assembler...)
I *believe* that DEBUG in the hplx uses an extended set of 8080 mnemonics
of some Z80 assemblers. If you know one of them, you are half-way there!
Though personally, I much prefered the Zilog mnemonics, upon which
the 68000 instruction set was based...

You can program C in a basic-like way; goto's and all<g>. And it's very fast.

But don't know if you can even control the serial port directly...

> ...how my Solar Panels have worked over the day,
Cool! What's your solar panel setup?
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Robin Brown wrote:
>
> Hi Martin,
> Could you also send me a zipped file of those games?
>

Me too!
        Bob Aldrich
        Los Angeles

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Subject:      Tech Using GET with POSTLX

Is anyone using Get with POSTLX to get URLs?

THe reason I'm asking. I would like to add (WWW "!GET -d get.dat") GET.BAT
as the Altcommprog and (HV GET) HV.BAT as a External Program.

Also can some explain what the ( /c ) stand for in the below command:

commprog=d:\dos\command.com c/ online.bat
                            


Let me know what you think....!




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Just a thought-- it is possible to create your own
custom character set -- one that would be especially
useful for drawing.

When the user presses a certain hot key, you could switch
to that character set -- then later switch back to the standard
character set for typing words.

Sorry I don't have the details on how to do that, but I
know it can be done.  It involves installing the custom
character set into memory and then changing a pointer
to look to that place in memory for the character set.

Games that do character based animation use this
technique.  I used to do it on the ATARI computer.

At 10:57 AM 10/21/97 +1000, you wrote:
>Dieter wrote:
>> Last weekend I wrote a little DOS-Program (12k) to draw simple objects
>> (lines, text) in the pc-textmode. I called it 'textdraw 0.1'.
>
>I received the graphics double-spaced. A \n \r feature?
>>                 *  G  *                 *  *
>>
>>     Gas-        *  r  *                *  *
>>
>>     station     *  e  *               *  *
>
>>    Does anybody know a program to produce 'textgraphics'?
>Not I. Related ideas were mooted here, but AFAIK, no program was written.
>
>>    Is it worth to work on it?
>I think so. Especially if you can keep the size down as well as you have
>thus far! Some say Windows killed ascii graphics; but efficiency is immortal.
>
>NB using floating point for circles could blow out your program size.
>
>I think it's a fun and useful project! Good luck. :)
>--
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Visit http://www.ilovemusic.com  to explore music and dance!
Ear Trainer-software to improve your ear (HP 200LX or desktop PCs)
SHE--shareware Hypertext editor for HP 200 LX call or write for more info.
MASTERY--shareware program to help you master any subject!
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FYI,


This is just to keep you informed.
I'm not a Windows CE fan!

DOWNLOAD FREE TOOLS
Download free beta versions of the Windows CE
Toolkits for Visual Basic 5.0 and Visual C++ 5.0 at
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsce/developer/.
These tools make it possible for Win32 and embedded
developers to create applications and solutions
using Microsoft's award-winning Visual Tools. And
visit http://www.microsoft.com/msdn/news/imho/101597.htm
to read about the future of Windows CE.

Visit http://www.ilovemusic.com  to explore music and dance!
Ear Trainer-software to improve your ear (HP 200LX or desktop PCs)
SHE--shareware Hypertext editor for HP 200 LX call or write for more info.
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Most of you probably know this, but I just discovered it and thought I
would share it.

As I get older, the ZOOM feature on the 200LX gets more and more
attractive.  I finally figured out how to scroll around in a ZOOMed display.

That is what DISPCTL is useful for.  I never saw any usage information
 in the 200LX documentation.

If you execute DISPCTL +C +K at the DOS prompt, it will cause
MENU+cursor key to move around a Zoomed screen.

options are:

+C - track cursor
-C - do not track cursor

+K - MENU key + cursor keys move around in display.
-K - MENU key + cursor keys do not work.

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> I would like to convert some Windows 95 icons for use in HP 200LX. =
 Can
> anyone tell me where I can find such small program on the internet.

Just a thought Raymond but maybe you can try a screen capture util =
on
the desktop, save as a bitmap and the use the bmp2icn converter on
www.palmtop.net/super.html.

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On Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:00:04 -0400, you wrote:

>Tech Serial Port Analog to Digital Conversion

In the December 1996 issue of Linear technology magazine (Published by
Linear technology! www.linear.com) there is a small article with
schematics and C code to interface a A/D and D/A to a serial port.
THis uses a LTC1298 and an LTC1446, along with a HC74. The circuit
looks pretty easy, and the code is small. I have not built up and
tested this circuit, but it looks pretty simple, and better accurach
than a pulse driven A/D. I just coulden't be seperated from my 200
long enough to use it as a data logger.=20

Dave Bengtson

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It was a very useful tip!  Thank you.  But I can use Menu+cursor to scroll
around a zoomed screen even without running DISPCTL?!

Cheers,
Sentot Adiprasena
Jakarta, Indonesia

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Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 11:19 AM
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snip
If you execute DISPCTL +C +K at the DOS prompt, it will cause
MENU+cursor key to move around a Zoomed screen.
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>
> I realise that AcCIS is available but am reluctant to shell out for
> it at the moment, together with the added compplication that I
> am based in the UK where it is not available - as far as I know.
> Does the current version of AcCIS provide access to the new
> style Email system provided by Compuserve?
>
I use acCIS 4.0 to access Compuserve. Yes, it supports the new mail
system and is available in Europe through its author. See:

http:\\www.rundel-d.com\

It is a superbe program. It=B4s not interactive, it=B4s an automated CIS
navigator. You choose the forum you want to visit or the files you
want to download and go online. The program downloads the headers of
the messages and choose the ones you want to read and connect again.
Very nice and keeps the costs of accessing CIS down (they are high in
Portugal as there are only two nodes of SCITOR and if you are outside
LIsbon or Oporto have to pay long distance telecom charges and the
SCITOR surcharges, during my summer vacations, and using acCIS, I
spend 8 to 12  minutes a day connecting to Compuserve and more than 2
hours a day connecting to my ISP and paid exactly the same for the
two types of connections to Portugal Telecom, if I connected to
Compuserve through SCITOR with an interactive program I don=B4t know
what the costs would be)

Regards

Antonio
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Someone was saying he was doing the beta drivers for this. May I know if it is still going
on? Thanks!
!tagline

PGP Public Key Fingerprint = E3 90 4F AB 37 A0 33 F4  56 F1 91 36 9A C9 A2 39

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Are you using an external modem with the serial cable or a PCMCIA modem on
the palmtop?  I had a lot of problems with garbage on the screen whenever I
used various converters to connect to my external modem.  However, it all
worked just dandy with the Megahertz 14.4 PCMCIA.  It turned out that the
problem was with the cable.  I can't give you any more details than that,
though.

Thank you very much.

Jeffrey Veiss (jsv@bms.com)                   PO Box 5200
Network Engineer                              Princeton, NJ 08543-5200
Corporate Telecommunications                  (609) 419-6141
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Here's something I dug up from an old email from the list.  Hope this
helps .

*****************************************************
I believe several people in this forum have disassembled
their
palmtops, and may know the screw type for sure.  My guess is
that they
use a 4-40 or 2-56 machine screw, or a #4 or smaller
self-tapping
screw.  The best source would be an electronic parts dealer.
For
mail-order, you could try DigiKey (http://www.digikey.com/).
Locally,
you could try You-Do-It Electronics in Needham (on the Newton
side of
128, under the antenna farm), or Active Electronics in Woburn
(Washington Street, in the shopping center next to CompUSA
and
Staples).  Eli Heffron, on Hampshire Street in Cambridge, used
to have
a small parts business, but I understand they shut it down.

Come to think of it, Radio Shack sells assortments of such
screws.
They're a $1.49 each, and you try the following three, in
order:

    64-3010     2-56 machine screw assortment
    64-3011     4-40 machine screw assortment
    64-3016     pan head sheet-metal screw assortment

Yes, I keep a Radio Shack catalog handy.  They operate as Tandy
in the
UK, by the way.  Be sure to start with the machine screws
first; you
don't want to tear them up by starting with a self-tapping
screw.
There may be one around Longwood (I understand there's a
Galleria
there, now).  If not, Comm. Av. at St. Mary's Street (BU) or
Coolidge
Corner would be the least inconvenient to your office.

                                -Jim.

Xerxez M. Calilung, D.D.S.
Founder/President, Dentalxchange Inc.
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http://dentalarts.com

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At the risk of flogging a dead horse:  it's probably going to be a lot
easier for the collective "us" to identify the vertical market that
NEEDS a bigger cpu and more ram in a palmtop and then get that market to
get HP to fill that need, than it is to create a new hardware platform
"ourselves" (unless yer a rich bugger and yer just holding out on us
all!).  This is tough, because normally the market will go looking for
what products are available ... (i.e. how many of you called HP before
the 95 came out and said "hey, when are you guys gonna give me a DOS
palmtop??"  Personally I heard about the 95 from a friend who stumbled
upon his in a store ...)

But look at it from HP's viewpoint: Micro$oft is paying for half of
their 320 marketing costs!  The name "HP" handles another 1/4 of the
marketing, so all they have to do is market their exceptional quality
and features.  Where would YOU put your shareholder dollars??

I like the "warm fuzzy" that the dos prompt gives me, and I really like
the PIM stuff (cuz it works and it doesnt crash and I can make my own
databases).  But I'm not tied to it, like I suspect some of you folks
are ... for me it's just way better than a franklin (and I can play
freecell on it when I'm taking a smoke break, and I can write c programs
with it).  If the 320 had a decent integral database, I'd probably get
one.  The fact that I can develop in VB for it now makes it more
attractive for sure.

Lets FIND THE MARKET that will MAKE HP MOVE ON MAKING A 260!

(I suspect that's what the Commodore dude was talking about when he said
"but what did they ever do for us?"  Personally I think that viewpoint's
somewhat screwed up--I think he should have been saying "boy, I wonder
if I can get these guys to identify some markets for me ... let's start
talking to 'em...".).

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These are on Simtel DOS:

pcc12c.zip    B  175811  890620  Personal C compiler. Fully functional, C WARE

pcl4c60.zip   B  110528  961113  Serial communications library for C/C++
pc_8250.zip   B   36961  910206  Serial port rtns. & VT100 emul. (C src only)

The first is a good K&R c compiler that won't strain the LX. It's the DeSmet C

and I know there was some serial port interupt driven source code available
for it.
There ought to be a lot of clues in the source code.

Peter Scarth wrote:

> Hello All,
> I was sitting having one of those amazing Australian caffine fixes, trying
> to work out how to impliment a data logger when my eyes were caught by my
> 200lx.

..........

> My programming skills extend only to Basic (and Z80
> assembler...), though I might have to learn C.
>

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> >    Does anybody know a program to produce 'textgraphics'?
>

I remember a program called "TheDraw" or "AnsiDraw" designed to
create ANSI AND TEXT graphics... who was useful for BBS sysops.

but don't know where to find it today...

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Peniel Romanelli wrote:
>
> Hi group-
>
> Every once in a while somebody sends me a #@$& MonopolySoft Word document
> as an email attachment. Definitely NOT human-readable!
>
> Does anyone know of a utility to strip all the formatting (and whatever
> else) gobbledegook and produce a plain ASCII document?  Looked on
> SimTel in the /txtutil subdirectory. They have a utility to convert TO
> MSWord but not FROM!  Aargh!  8-(
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.  TIA
>
> PR
> ---------
>
> Peniel Romanelli   peniel@web2000.net   d021785c@dc.seflin.org
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There is a program called wordvu written by a guy named drury which will
strip out just the text. Do a simtel search for word processors. He was
maintaining it at one point.  It also does the same for word star and
word perfect.  I might have an old copy some where. if can't find it
anywhere else!

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I believe TheDraw was included on my old Wildcat! 4.0 disks.  Now
if I can only find those disks...
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Jeffrey Veiss (CTG) wrote:
>
> Are you using an external modem with the serial cable or a PCMCIA modem on
> the palmtop?  I had a lot of problems with garbage on the screen whenever I
> used various converters to connect to my external modem.  However, it all
> worked just dandy with the Megahertz 14.4 PCMCIA.  It turned out that the
> problem was with the cable.  I can't give you any more details than that,
> though.
>
> Thank you very much.
>

Im using a US Robotics external modem and Thin Fax modem PCMCIA and I
dont have any problem to connect my 200LX.
I can read my e-mail since 200LX and I can access to my Unix server too.
Maybe your problem its your serial cable, maybe its broken, or your
configuration.
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Dear Friends,
Thanks for all of your help regarding the questions about autoexec.bat and config.sys files being moved to the C drive. I am happy to report that I have experienced the pleasure of success this morning. I can now print via IR to my HP LaserJet 6MP. What a blessing!
Darren and others have shared their use of the HP printer in this way before but I just wanted encourage those of you that have a printer with IR capabilities to check out the driver on the SUPER site and put it to use.
Thanks again to all who helped.
Ken Moore

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From:         Dennis Faucher's Palmtop Account <palmtop@M4450JGW.ESR.HP.COM>
Subject:      Re: text-draw www.shareware.com
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In-Reply-To:  <HPLX-L%97102114075225@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>; from "Mathias Chapuis"
              at Oct 21, 97 8:07 pm

Hello,

A search on DRAW for the DOS operating system at http://www.shareware.com
yielded a few programs.  Take a look at DRAWBL20.ZIP, ANSIMS.ZIP and
TDRAW463.ZIP.

Sincerely,
Dennis Faucher
Hewlett-Packard
dennis_faucher@hp.com

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Following on from the current thread relating to the hinge crack problem,=

and having found the first faint signs of the crack on my 11 month old
palmtop, I decided to dismantle my palmtop to see if I could add any
strengthening to prevent further cracking. =


Using David Sargeants excellent instructions on how to dismantle a 200LX,=

and remembering several posts relating to dismantly, and the problems wit=
h
the right side hinge (don't dismantle it) I found that I could not gain
sufficient access to provide any support - the case does not come apart f=
ar
enough to access the corner due to the right hinge assembly.

I did however note that there is a screw boss on the interior if the lid
near to the crack, and I suspect that this provides a strong section to t=
he
lid in that vicinity, thus forcing all the stresses to occur at the base =
of
the boss - hence the crack. I also noted that the plastic appears to be
under most stress when closing the lid, hence the crack appears on the
outside first. =


All I could do was apply a little light lubricating oil to the right hing=
e
assembly from the inside to reduce the friction offered by the hinge and
hence reduce the forces on the plastic (access from the outside after the=

hinge cap is removed will probably work also). This appears to have worke=
d
well, as the lid now closes much easier and the plastic does not bend und=
er
the stress of closing. My hinge stiffness rating was probably a 5 before,=

and is now a 2.

I hop this provides a little  help to those in the same situation.

Laurence Harvey

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Fella's and Ladies!

In the Time magazine distributed here in South Africa - I think it is
the European edition - there is a picture on P30 that is truly amazing.
It forms part of a header for an article, Big Kid on the Block, on the
problems the economies of SEA face from the emerging giant, China.

It is a wide angle (photographers: 20mm or less) shot of a workbench in
the HP factory in Singapore.  Three ladies and one fella are testing(? -
so it seems) the 320LX models, six in total.  In the bottom left hand
corner of the picture is a 200LX, connected to one of the machines on
the bench.  Just visible in the right hand corner is two ANOTHER two
200LX's, with the same arrangement of cables into 320LX's.

My conclusion:  They are using the 200LX's to test the 320LX's!

Note:  I have not checked the Time site for the picture...

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Perhaps...
<dream mode>
They are looking at providing a PROM upgrade to the 320 that allows DOS
support in the 320 package.
</dream mode>

Just a thought.
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>it's probably going to be a lot easier for the collective "us" to
>identify the vertical market that NEEDS a bigger cpu and more ram in a

I agree that we cannot develop a machine ourselves. However some
companies are trying to make DOS based machines (Nick found
http://www.ivpgi.com and Pete a radiobased one).

Does anybody know for sure that HP's decision is final?

If HP really has abandoned the DOS platform (and therefore abandoned US)
for good, we should stop crying in our soup and ASAP find someone else:

1) We need to find out if their products are any good; I still remember
   a Sharp pocket computer I had to throw away because it ate batteries
   faster than I could buy them.
   (The HP seems to use so little battery power that the hinges break
   before the first set of batteries are used up. <G> Sorry, but I
   couldn't resist)

2) The companies need to know that we are determined to support them. If
   we show ourselves as a real group, we may be able to start a dialogue
   with them and bring our ideas and demands forward collectively.

3) We need to prepare for a "PIM-free" life, i.e. find substitutes.
   Personally I do not use the PIM stuff (except the solver once in a
   while); I find the software close to perfect but prefer to work 100%
   from a DOS prompt using my own inferiour programs.

Oh - I nearly forgot -
4) skip the "HP" in the name of this group. ;8-)

Well, seriously, once we are certain that HP has abandoned us, we should
either make a new list or agree to change the aims of this one.

Jorgen


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REF: "A Golden Opportunity for Everyone on the List to Promote the 200LX" posted 10/15/97


Several listees had their feedback published on that WinCE article I posted about a week ago.  See:

http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/story/story_1354.html#talkback

Good job!
______________________________________________

  "Michael Stocker" <mdstockr@neo.lrun.com>
           10/21/97 5:27:50 PM EDT
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Greetings:

        I have changed REPLY TO: list parameters to allow replying to
the original sender. This should help prevent sending a personal reply
to the LIST let me know how this works.

Cheers,


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Al,

Can you set it to reply to both sender and list?  This way we can delete the recipient we don't
want.

______________________________________________

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>Also can some explain what the ( /c ) stand for in the below command:
>  commprog=3Dd:\dos\command.com c/ online.bat
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It means "execute Command" and then die. Executing command.com creates a
new shell in memory and in this case you want to get rid of it after
executing online.bat.

Jorgen
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Hi,

        Recently, my 200LX has developed a problem with the display.
Vertical lines are failing to display. As yet, they are all along the
left side of the screen. However, as time goes by, more lines are
disappearing and it is starting to become more than a minor annoyance.

        I have heard through the grapevine that this problem is due to
the flexible video cable wearing out. Can anyone verify this? Is there a
way that I can fix it myself?

        If this problem is not due to the video cable, does anyone out
there know what the problem might be?

Thank you,

Rus

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Ken,

given that you had a few problems that you finally sorted out in getting
the IR printing to work why don't you summarise what you did and post it to
the SUPER site with the drivers.

This would help those in the future that want to use the IR printing (Like
me !!)

Zyg.

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For those looking for old dos games for your palmtop that are lots of
fun, check out the following site:
        http://www2.rz.hu-berlin.de/inside/angl/people/pdd/advent.html
This site has links and files for many old dos based (among others)
adventure games.  These are the old verb noun parsed text based ones
that came out in the 80's.  Yes, in this heavily MMX'd world, the text
adventure still lives.  Also, if you remember Infocom, their adventures
are still on the market, and can be purchased.  Look here and get in
touch to find out more:
        http://www.activision.com/games/low/classics/masterpiece/index.html

These games are incredible fun, and work great on the HP.  I have had
some loaded, and since they run in dos and the screen is small, they are
a great way to screw off when at work, and noone is the wiser!!
--
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<<Lets FIND THE MARKET that will MAKE HP MOVE ON MAKING A 260!>>

Verticle market's I've seen so far:
  - sales and marketing field forces (but 320 seems to fit their needs -
tell me if I'm wrong)
  - distribution (filled by stuff like Telxon and Symbol)
  - Utilities
  - Medical
  - Schools & Education (teacher and students)
  - Mobile professional/executive
  - field repair and maintenance
  - construction and project management
  - airline attendent scheduling
  - police and fire
  - restaurant and other governmental inspection units

I'm sure there's many more. Some will be met fine by the 320 and successo=
r
platforms. Some still require access to legacy applications.

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> I have changed REPLY TO: list parameters to allow replying to
> the original sender.

Great idea! but I was confused. In case anyone else is:
        A straight (r)eply will reply only to the sender - 'r' in elm; and
        A (g)roup reply will additionally CC: to the list - 'g' in elm.
...I don't know how you do this stuff in other mail readers...

I think many times we will reply only to the sender, when we *think* we
are replying to the list...so *much* less mail! But if we do remember to
reply to the list, the sender will get two copies: one direct, and one
via the list...

If problems, maybe just include the sender's email address *somewhere*
(in the header or body); so you have their email address if you want to
reply personally. I've noticed a few exchanges along the lines of:-

  "I'd *love* to send it to you; but first I want your email address! :)"
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At 10:28 PM 21/10/97 -0400, Carl wrote:
><<Lets FIND THE MARKET that will MAKE HP MOVE ON MAKING A 260!>>
>
>Verticle market's I've seen so far:
>  - <snip>

What I'm interested in is using the HP2*0 as a data logger (with analogue
to digital done with PC card) - there must be heaps of applications
requiring a small, lightweight unit running a fast(er) processor with
sufficient RAM and battery life, and the ability to easily download the
data to a PC. Medical, Exercise and Sport, Engineering, Surveying (GPS), etc.

Doric Swain
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>I believe TheDraw was included on my old Wildcat! 4.0 disks.  Now
>if I can only find those disks...

I found TheDraw at:
   http://www.silly.com/~signs/fonts.html

Works fine, 280k, not object-oriented.

Regards
Dieter

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Reply-To:     John Stafford <johnws@IX.NETCOM.COM>
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From:         John Stafford <johnws@IX.NETCOM.COM>
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Open up a new Memo and put the following 6 lines in it (3 are empty lines)

<blank line>
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
<blank line>
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
<blank line>
0123456789

Set the password

Abnene.abcdef

and save the file.

Then reopen the file, but give the password

Abnene.ABCDef

the file will open "damaged" (don't save the file, reopen it with
the correct password and the file should be ok).  I don't know
the exact details; but the 'nene' sequence before the period is
'important', the bug occurs for

nene
nfnf
oeoe

but not for

cdcd

which will get you an Invalid Password dialog.

Someone with more time/patience is welcome to characterize
the bug better.

Fascinating...

John Stafford -- http:/www2.netcom.com/~johnws/index.htm --
johnws@ix.netcom.com
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I have the greatest sympathy for the idea of finding a killer app that
would ensure the survival of the 200LX. However, why should there be ANY
app that cannot be made for the CE?

The difference between the CE and LX is the DOS prompt. Unexperienced use=
rs
generally prefer a slick windows interface with a learning curve close to=

nil. More experienced users recognize that a prompt is more flexible,
though you have to have the right programs and know how to use them.

Any vertical market can be supported by CE. It is the "horizontal" use th=
at
calls for flexibility (eg. pipes from one app to another).

I have looked at www.ivpgi.com. They are not aiming at us. It is beginnin=
g
to look like each of us have to buy up enough 200LX's to last the rest of=

our lives and be content with its abilities.

Quite another thing is that I find the discussion about the vertical
markets very interesting.

Jorgen
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> I don't recall any special instructions in ABC/LX for NiMh

With NiMH batteries, it is worth to do another auto-tune after a few
charging cycles. NiMH batteries show a very "strange" behaviour during
the first few cycles and it stabilises only after a while. Apart from
that, there is nothing really special about NiMHs.

Andreas D&A

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> would it be possible that you make all these installation of
> yours available please, because I wouldn't be able to do what
> you had to do. So were some of us on the lists...

All parts are freely available by ftp from any SimTel mirror. There =
are
README files included that describe how to make it work. Providing =
my
setup does not make too much sense because it is highly tailored to
*my* needs (printer, fonts I use / don't use, etc.) It would be useless
to most people I assume. Going through the pretty hard installation
process creates for you what *you* need. It is some work, but I don't
think it could be replaced. As soon as you needed an additional font,
for example, you would be helpless - unless you installed it yourself
and know what you have where.

Andreas D&A

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> Is anyone using Get with POSTLX to get URLs?
>
> THe reason I'm asking. I would like to add (WWW "!GET -d get.dat") =
GET.BAT

Try placing the "-d" outside of the quotes. It is an option for WWW,
not for GET.

> Also can some explain what the ( /c ) stand for in the below command:
>
> commprog=3Dd:\dos\command.com c/ online.bat

I just know that you need this in order to run internal commands (copy,
del etc.) and to run batch files. "COMMAND /?" does n really tell
anything useful either.


Andreas D&A

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Http://www.Thaddeus.com/p27/p270002b.htm

read this, should answer a lot of questions that have been posted here.
danka, roy

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Hi,

Textdraw is available on SUPER now.

Textdraw is a small (and on the hp a little bit slow) DOS-Program to draw
in TEXTMODE objects like lines (with chooseable ascii-characters), text
(horizontally/vertically), rectangles with object-features like delete,
copy, paste, move.

So it is possible to draw (within two minutes) things like this:

     ___________________________________________
T   |                                           |   T
 T  |   ---->  Important Announcement  <----    |  T
E   |                                           |   E
 E  |   http://www.palmtop.net/supernew.html    |  E
X   |___________________________________________|   X
 X            | ____________________ |             X
T             ||                    ||              T
 T            ||  Textdraw is now   ||             T
D             || available on SUPER ||              D
 D            ||____________________||             D
R             |______________________|              R
 R           /           p           \             R
A           /      w     a        n   \             A
 A         /       w  .  l  t  .  e    \           A
W         /        w     m  o     t     \           W
 W       /                  p            \         W


PS: Sorry Mitch that I gave SUPER the URL www.super.com

1k regards from Austria
Dieter

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> However, why should there be ANY
> app that cannot be made for the CE?

In *theory*, you are right. But there are at least two practical reasons
that should be considered:

1) WinCE2 is out and immediately obsoletes the 300LX: not enough memory
to run WinCE2. I bet the next version of WinCE will not run on the
HP320LX. (Well, if it would, they could not sell another machine ;-)

2) It is an enormous effort to write already existing software from
scratch for WinCE. And why should anyone (apart from MS devotees) do
that? Existing apps can already run on a machine such as the libretto
and many apps even on the 200LX. Woudn't a "better" Libretto (battery
life, instant-on etc.) be a much better way to go, instead of enormous
development efforts for a so called operating system that may be suited
for toasters ("Mom, my toast is burning and I cannot find the stylus =
to
stop the toaster" :-) and really is not too much suited for palmtop
computers.

Andreas D&A

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Date:         Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:17:49 +0700
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I don't know whether this is going to make any difference, but I feel the
urge to "speak up".

I have tried Psion 3c, USR Pilot 5000, Casiopeia WinCE palmtop, and Toshiba
Libretto (nice display).  I even got a chance to setup an Internet
connection (WinCE's Internet Explorer & InBox) on an HP320LX attached to a
Siemens S4 GSM cellular phone (boy, it was really slow!).

BUT, I stick with HP200LX because:
+ It is a true palmtop-size computer (YES a computer, NOT a gadget) that is
always there when I need it.  Something that fits on my palm and in my
pocket--small, light and rugged--but powerful enough to increase my
productivity.
+ It utilizes keyboard and keyboard shortcuts to access all functions.
"Pen/stylus" is a fancy thing to have but it is less useful because you
still have to type AND point, unless it can be used to write like Graffiti
on PalmPilot.  But trust me, if you are working on a report or a
spreadsheet, you prefer to type than "to write/point with a stylus".
+ It has a fair-size LCD screen with good contrast (I wish I had a backlight
screen, though!).
+ It runs four to six weeks on 2 AA-size alkaline batteries or 2 fully
charged NiCds.
+ Last but not least, it runs thousands of DOS software available out there.

Below are things that I can do with my HP200LX but not with other palmtops:
+ Lookup for telephone numbers single handedly while driving a car.
+ Check To Do list that is linked to the address/phone database (thanks to
Buddy 200).
+ Access to a multicurrency (21 currencies!) calculator.  Exchange rates of
the 21 currencies can be updated weekly (or even daily) through a special
macro generated from http://www.palmtop.net (free-of-charge service).
+ Pop-up a full-fledged spreadsheet program anywhere, anytime when I need
it.
+ Use Zip.exe to conveniently backup all files to a PC running Windows95
OSR2.
+ Use TransFile.exe to make selective file copy using Windows95
drag-and-drop interface on the PC side.
+ Run DOS applications: PC Outline, QEdit, Softdisk's Loan Accelerator Plus
and many more.
+ Run compiled QBASIC program to calculate Javanese dates.
+ Instant access to an in-house developed accounting software (a compiled
Clipper/dBASE program).

For me (and maybe for most of us), functionality is the most important
thing.  But HP is simply aiming for a wider market--zillions of first time
users.  So, we should create a bigger market for HP200LX (and Lynn's 260LX).
Let's tell the first time users that HP2*0LX is the "palmtop solution,"
today and in a few years to come.  I'm starting it now ...

Cheers,
Sentot Adiprasena
Jakarta, Indonesia
sentot@bigfoot.com

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Date:         Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:37:00 -0700
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Has anyone successfully used this PC card in their 100LX or 200LX?  It
looks really good and I need to drive two serial devices with my 100LX
AND plug in an external keyboard!  Many thanks!
Martin
p.s. Got my name on the list for a double-speed 8mb 200 from Thadeus
today!  Wow, there's an eight-week waiting period!  Get your name in
fast!  Sure is good to see the volume of orders ...

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Can someone please explain what " divide overflow " means, and can it
be prevented?

The Incident 10/21/97:

I was retrieving my email, when all of a sudden I got
" divide overflow ". Lost the connection, loss my mail. :-(
Not only did I have to do a hard reset, but also had to
remove my EXP 1414 LXM to get the HP to boot-up.






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-> 2) It is an enormous effort to write already existing software from
-> scratch for WinCE. And why should anyone (apart from MS devotees) do
-> that? Existing apps can already run on a machine such as the libretto
-> and many apps even on the 200LX. Woudn't a "better" Libretto (battery
-> life, instant-on etc.) be a much better way to go, instead of
-> enormous development efforts for a so called operating system that
-> may be suited for toasters ("Mom, my toast is burning and I cannot
-> find the stylus = to
-> stop the toaster" :-) and really is not too much suited for palmtop
-> computers.

        What's a "LIBRETTO"?

Jim

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It's a full function 75 MHz Pentium powered mini notebook computer.  About the size of a VCR
cassette and weighting less than 2 lbs.

--- On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:35:00 -0500  PALMTOPS@AIRGUNHQ.COM wrote:
>
>        What's a "LIBRETTO"?
>
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This thing about a lifetime supply of palmtops is all too real.
The place where I work uses software that will _not_ be upgraded or
replaced.  I must find a lifetime supply of palmtops.

Phil

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>
>I have looked at www.ivpgi.com. They are not aiming at us. It is beginning
>to look like each of us have to buy up enough 200LX's to last the rest of
>our lives and be content with its abilities.
>
>Jorgen
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> I think many times we will reply only to the sender, when we *think* =
we
> are replying to the list...so *much* less mail! But if we do remember =
to
> reply to the list, the sender will get two copies: one direct, and =
one
> via the list...

This is an excellent point, Brendan! Seems like the changes tend to
favour those who are perhaps too eager to hit the reply button before
properly checking the headers of their outgoing mail... <g>

Mail filters for the list could be affected as well (mine are) and
since there are services that do not also send the header for the list
that allows you to reply 'in group' (as happens with mine), a reply
requires reselecting the list address instead of just quickly hitting
the reply button. For such users this change also eliminates the
ability to easily apply a filter for list msgs...

> If problems, maybe just include the sender's email address *somewhere*
> (in the header or body); so you have their email address if you want =
to
> reply personally. I've noticed a few exchanges along the lines of:-
>
>   "I'd *love* to send it to you; but first I want your email address! =
:)"

I agree 100%... These exchanges underscore my previous point and also
show that the writer of such a msg probably does not get the
'original sender' address and only the 'from' address...

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On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, mdstockr wrote:

> It's a full function 75 MHz Pentium powered mini notebook computer.
> About the size of a VCR cassette and weighting less than 2 lbs.
>
> --- On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:35:00 -0500  PALMTOPS@AIRGUNHQ.COM wrote:
> >
> >        What's a "LIBRETTO"?

It also plays about as long on as a VCR cassette <g>.

- Longden

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On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Quinton Jones Jr wrote:
> Can someone please explain what " divide overflow " means, and can it
> be prevented?
>
> The Incident 10/21/97:
>
> I was retrieving my email, when all of a sudden I got
> " divide overflow ". Lost the connection, loss my mail. :-(
> Not only did I have to do a hard reset, but also had to
> remove my EXP 1414 LXM to get the HP to boot-up.

"Divide overflow" usually means something happened that the programmer
didn't anticipate.  What happened is some number was divided by a
variable, and that variable happened to be set to zero at the time.  Any
number divided by zero is not zero but "undefined".  So the program barfs.

This is often caused by a programmer not checking the success or failure
of some operation a couple of lines back.  It could also be caused by a
corrupted executable or data file.  In other words, programs shouldn't do
that.  It's probably not somehting you did wrong (unless you're the
programmer or you corrupted a datafile).

In most systems I write, I create a Div() function that returns zero if
the second parameter is zero, else I return the result of the intended
division.  In most cases this is better than the program dying.


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> Can someone please explain what " divide overflow " means, and can it
> be prevented?
>
This is a stack overflow problem that was well know in older versions of
dos, all the way through 6.0 I think. You can usually avert it by including
the line:

STACKS=9,256

in your config.sys file. This means that DOS itself has 9 256 byte stacks
to use internally. Programs that call DOS also use these stacks.

Just a note, although this was a problem with DOS it can also be caused by
a problem with a particular program. I would try the above and if it
doesn't help then take up the problem with the particular programs author.
Good luck.

Pete


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-> It's a full function 75 MHz Pentium powered mini notebook computer.
-> About the size of a VCR
-> cassette and weighting less than 2 lbs.
->
-> --- On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:35:00 -0500  PALMTOPS@AIRGUNHQ.COM wrote:
-> >
-> >        What's a "LIBRETTO"?

ok, thanks.  That is what I thought but wanted to be sure.  Someone was
using it to argue against the 200LX to me, but now i know I'm right, for
that doesn't qualify as "Palmtop" in my book.  The way I look at it, if
it won't fit in my shirt pocket, it's bound to be stolen sooner or
later!
Jim

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Jeffrey Veiss (CTG) wrote:
>
> Are you using an external modem with the serial cable or a PCMCIA modem on
> the palmtop?  I had a lot of problems with garbage on the screen whenever I
> used various converters to connect to my external modem.  However, it all
> worked just dandy with the Megahertz 14.4 PCMCIA.  It turned out that the
> problem was with the cable.  I can't give you any more details than that,
> though.
>

Interesting.... I do indeed use an external modem, but I've tried this
with 2 different cables (and several different modems). The problem
always occurs to some degree, after varying degrees of time - probably
based on what I was doing at any given time.


Larry

> Thank you very much.
>

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     Hi!
     I am in my late 50's and learned DOS in no time and have NO problems
     with it. Wanting the so called slick Windo$ interface is a line direct
     from Bill Gates and Co.

     Helmut in Colorado

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        "The difference between a CE and an LX is the DOS prompt." ??

        In principle, perhaps, together with the temporarily vast
difference between the capabilities of the software pre-packaged in ROM.

        In practice, and much longer term, is the fact that the bulk of
the DOS software that will run on a 200LX has ALREADY been written, and
much of it is free for the downloading, or simply registerable. While any
software MAY be written for the CE platform, it is very unclear whether
over the entire life of the platform, a comparable quantity of comparable
software WILL be written for the CE machine. If Microsoft keeps
"upgrading" CE like it has other variants on Windows, it is also quite
likely that earlier CE software will NO LONGER RUN on the variant of CE
required to run the later CE software. As a rule exception: "DOS isn't
done until LOTUS won't run." DOS upgrades DID allow one to run software
written for earlier versions of DOS. That has NOT been Microsoft's policy
lately. Nowadays they want the user to be perpetually upgrading
EVERYTHING.
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Badboy4609 wrote:
>
> What software are you referring to? I checked the Appointment application after
>  all the previously mentioned date rollovers and it works with  no problems.

Dear Badboy4609,

True, the built-in apps s/b ok. Think, though, of a program that, I
don't know, calculated depreciation of things that were hundreds of
years old (not too impossible - insurance companies probably really do
this. I know that banks have such things, too.) All of the sudden a
thing that was 50 years old and worth X dollars in 1999 is now -49 years
old and imaginably worth a helluva lot more!!

I figure programs that amortize and do depreciation will be all screwed
up.

Also, some sloppy programs that do division where dates or numbers
multiplied by dates in the denominator will crash due to divide by 0.

Darren.

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>I am in my late 50's and learned DOS in no time and have NO problems
Well done! But I was speaking about people "in the broader commonality" a=
s
it said in one of my old law-books.
     =

>Wanting the so called slick Windo$ interface is a line direct
>from Bill Gates and Co.

Yes, but it seems to work. First we suffer on the desktops first with W3.=
1,
then with W95. I am booting W95 directly to DOS, but it is not exactly th=
e
same as plain vanilla DOS.
Now we also have to suffer on the palmtops!

On the other hand, isn't there a saying about not to throw stones when on=
e
is living in a Microsoft Windows environment (or something to that effect=
):
maybe we are not allowed to complain anymore?

Regarding the Toshiba Libretto 50CT: I have one and it is wonderful in al=
l
respects; but it does not replace a palmtop.

Jorgen
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     Hi!
     You forgot one application I use a lot.
     OAG FlightDisk for DOS. runs great on the palmtop. I have asked many
     people to give me two place on the earth that have a airport and I can
     get the flights to those places, need.

     Helmut in Colorado

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Author:  Non-HP-rwhutch (rwhutch@nr.infi.net) at HP-ColSprings,mimegw1
Date:    10/22/97 7:47 AM


        "The difference between a CE and an LX is the DOS prompt." ??

        Hi!
        No,no,no, the biggest difference between a CE and an LX is that you can
not store any and I mean any database files on the flash disk.
        There is an app for checkbook, all files have to be in RAM. Phone book,
appointments are all database files and therefore can not be stored on flash
disk.

        Helmut in Colorado

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Date:         Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:45:42 +1300
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r j x wrote:  > Hi,
>
>         Recently, my 200LX has developed a problem with the display.
> Vertical lines are failing to display. As yet, they are all along the
> left side of the screen. However, as time goes by, more lines are
> disappearing and it is starting to become more than a minor annoyance.
>         I have heard through the grapevine that this problem is due to
> the flexible video cable wearing out. Can anyone verify this? Is there a
> way that I can fix it myself?
>
Its not a cable as such but a strip connection between the LCD panel &
its circuit board, and permanently? -probably not.
>
>         If this problem is not due to the video cable, does anyone out
> there know what the problem might be? > Thank you,  > Rus

"GENTLY" press on the top of the screen where the blank lines are...
-do the lines return???
YES ? this is the bad connector strip problem! Usually caused through
some
sort of bending of the screen/HP**lx as a unit. i.e. being carried in
a trouser rear pocket (although some claim to do this with no problem)
or horozontally in a belt bag (my "cause")
You can remove the screen as a unit and dissasemble it (its made like
a sandwich in layers held together by metal clips along the edges) but
the connector is like a thin rubber strip the length of the screen and
there are no obvious problems visible so it is difficult to create a
fix.
I havn't been able to find out if the connection goes dry (needs some
sort of lube) or just gets physically loose (theoretically adjusting
pressure from the edge clamps could fix any looseness)
Does anybody know LCD screen internal theory?

good luck

John Shaw
NZ

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r j x wrote:  > Hi
> >         Recently, my 200LX has developed a problem with the display.
> > Vertical lines are failing to display. As yet, they are all along the
<snip>
John Shaw wrote: >
> Its not a cable as such but a strip connection between the LCD panel &
> its circuit board.... sandwich construction...
Excuse me adding to my own post but I suggest viewing these pictures
of dismantled 200lx's including this page on screen dissasembly
(for the purpose of adding backlight) to get an idea of whats involved
http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~naka_dai/hp200lx/lxkaie4.html
Thanks to the authors VALTAN & Pochi for the english versions
They call their backlit model the EL HP200LX. The starting page is at;
http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~naka_dai/hp200lx/ellxe.html

cheers
John
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Date:         Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:19:59 +1000
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Just an incidental followup to the post about year 200 bugs on hp200lx:

Apparently, it's not so much that programs think that the year is two
digits (ie using 97 instead of 1997). The problem is that databases -
which can outlast generations of programs - don't store the date
correctly. And apparently, that's the biggie. :)

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From bren Thu Oct 23 14:45:36 1997
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Subject: A multi-tasking hp200lx?
To: chen@get.uni-paderborn.de (Nan-shan Chen)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:43:51 +1000 (EST)
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Rudi wrote:
> > But I'd *still* like a multi-tasking hp200lx!
>   
> Maybe we should start a thread on the list to discuss possibility
> of Multi-console under DOS...

Does anyone know if multitasking is *possible* on hp200lx? Some thoughts:

ELKS would provide a (multitasking) unix for the hp200lx; but n/a yet
QNX would too. But I heard it's not really practical;
Software Carousel - you can switch between apps; but do they execute in
        the background?
HP200LX system manager - it always checks timers and appointment book,
        whatever you are doing. This is multi-tasking, but very specific.
--
What I'd like is a simple text editor that works like that timer: but it
stores and enters keypresses; and then returns control back to a DOS
program, which I'd like to be a compiler <g>. The timer in the hp200lx
can operate just like this; though it seems to check just once per second.

I assume that the keyboard is buffered in hardware (or similar solution);
and a simple editor requires minute processing power. Each second, it
would enter all the keystrokes that were stored between updates. If screen
accesses slowied it down too much, I'd be happy to have it update the
screen only once every few seconds.

Note that the editor would retain control of the screen (unlike the
timer) - and the compiler would be invoked with all output piped to
a file (stderr?)

Multi-tasking is the only advantage WinCE has over DOS: you can edit
while compiling. Er, if they *had* a compiler. :)

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Hi to All on the Mailing List,

Firstly, my thanks go to those of you who responded directly to my
message re: "The Last (HPL)X..." and who would be prepared to be added
to a list of committed users of X00LX machines (Carl Merkle, Jorgen
Dybdahl, Ian Melville, Lucy Leong and any others that I may have
missed).

It seems to me that this topic and the "200LX Promotion Campaign" and
talk of a "260LX" are all part and parcel of the same basic aim, so
again it might be a good idea, if we are really serious, to adopt a
semi-official slogan for the overall campaign.  To put one's name to
it should not (could not) commit that person to buying anything in the
future; though I firmly believe that there should also be provision on
any list for supporters to add that extra level of commitment.  If
there are sufficient people of vision on such a list then Hewlett
Packard would at least be forced to acknowledge any approach made to
them when the time is ripe.

A slogan might seem a trite way to begin, but thinking up an
appropriate one gets people involved and focuses attention on the real
issue(s).  It wants to be catchy, not kitchy, if possible.  It should
also be short, so that when reproduced on e-mail messages and
print-outs the whole title is immediately visible on one line in the
"Subject:  " space, such as "SAVE THE HP 200LX" or something better
than that.  Maybe it should be crusade rather than a campaign.

If possible, we don't want to appear to be committing ourselves to
just saving the 200LX, but to supporting ongoing improvements.  The
sentiments of Jorgen Dybdahl (Wednesday, 22 October 1997) may be spot
on for the moment:

<Snip>

> It is beginning to look like each one of us have to buy up enough
> 200LX's to last the rest of our lives and be content with its
> abilities.

And Phil Drummond seems to agree (same day):

> This thing about a lifetime supply of palmtops is all too real.  The
> place where I work uses software that will _not_ be upgraded or
> replaced.  I must find a lifetime supply of palmtops.

However, we do want to have improvements that are backwardly
compatible unless Hewlett Packard comes up with some quantum leap in
technology that makes it worth the change (and I don't mean WinCE).

I have already started to make hard copies of the more appropriate
message regarding the campaign and on the advantages of the X00LX
series, but we need a proper facility for building a comprehensive
list once its structure has been agreed upon.  Carl Merkle suggested
in a personal message that the answer might be a Web page.  Sounds
like a good idea to me.  It would demonstrate to the world (and to
Hewlett Packard) that we mean business and people could see the basic
list grow.  It might not please those behind the (Pearly) Gates,
though.

According to a source quoted by Philip Seyer (Thursday, 16 October
1997), ZDNet have already offered readers the opportunity to provide
feedback on an anti-WinCE article by indicating what their ideal
palmtop would be.  Is this the start that we are looking for?  Anyway,
I am hoping that you might have some further information/ideas on a
Web site, Carl.

Another thought is that of perhaps establishing a monetary donation
for entry onto the support list so that a fighting fund could be
established.  This could provide funds for, say, taking out an
advertisement from time to time in a magazine that would not otherwise
give us free publicity.

Finally, just remember that we want to end up winners, not Win-ners!

Barry Collins
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Date:         Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:51:15 -0700
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Does anyone know how to synchronize Pocket Quicken file with Quicken for

windows version 6.0 through flash memory card?

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Date:         Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:56:49 -0700
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If you're looking for a power source for your 200LX, Times2Tech has new
NiMH batteries from Japan that are just incredible.  I've posted a
review of them at my web site.  I highly recommend them!

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Criticise Microsoft. For unfinished software; for predatory consolidation
of competitors; and for excessive marketing hype to the lowest common
denominator.

Microsoft wants to create a monopoly - as is the mandate of all commercial
competitors - but this has the fortunate side-effect of standardisation.
All of Microsoft's ploys to create a monopoly also foster inter-operatability.
Everybody writes for Windows95: all the games, all the applications, all
the utilities. It is of secondary importance that Window95 is imperfect.

This is genius of Microsoft, and the benefit it imparts to the world.


We of the hp200lx, hp100lx  and hp95lx cannot blindly criticise Microsoft:
for it was the Microsoft monopoly of DOS that produced the incredible wealth
of software that runs on our palmtop.

However, Microsoft does not innovate well; it cannot craft the kind of
elegant technology needed by a resource-poor palmtop: no one who aims for the
lowest common denominator can. And yet, that is precisely what Microsoft
sought with WinCE. And that is why it will fail.


Instead, Microsoft needs to find an existing palmtop operating-system to
copy or buy: maybe Psion's; or maybe Java-based or unix-based that can
connect to the mainstream. Everything would flow.

But until then, the closest thing to this standard are the humble hplx's -
and it may well be that Microsoft and Intel will *never* shake off the
legacy of DOS software that they created. Windows95 is still back-compatiable,
and very successful. But WindowsNT is not compatiable, and is not so
successful. WinCE is not compatiable, and is not successful.

Perhaps the mainstream will ultimately reverse its flow, and return to
DOS and the hplx's? If so, we will again praise and criticise Microsoft.

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Date:         Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:40:13 +0700
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/RELAX MODE>

A helicopter was flying above Seattle when an electrical malfunction
disabled all of the aircraft's electronic navigation and communications
equipment.  Due to the clouds and haze, the pilot could not determine the
helicopter's position and course to steer to the airport.

The pilot saw a tall building, flew toward it, circled, drew a handwritten
sign and held it in the helicopter's window.  The pilot's sign read "WHERE
AM I?"

People in the tall building quickly responded to the aircraft, drew a large
sign and held it in a building window.  Their sign said "YOU ARE IN A
HELICOPTER".

The pilot smiled, waved, looked at his map, determined the course to steer
to the airport and landed safely.  After they were on the ground, the
co-pilot asked the pilot how the "YOU ARE IN A HELICOPTER" sign helped
determine their position.

The pilot responded, "I knew that had to be the Microsoft building because
they gave me a technically correct, but completely useless answer."

</SERIOUS MODE>

I know this is not a Microsoft bashing mailing list, but we need "a break"
once in a while, right?

Cheers,
Sentot Adiprasena
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Hi all,

aren't there any hardware freaks out there? I saw saw something
interesting
yesterday in
http://www.iclinks.com/stick.htm
This is a complete 260SM (SelfMade :-). There's "just" the display and a
housing
missing.

BTW how is the ROM done in the 3x0LX? Is it Flash or EEprom (something
that can
be overwritten)? If not, would it be possible to exchange it with
something like
that and download our loved DOS into it? I saw in the HP page that they
would
do an update from 320 to 360 software, I wonder how they do it.

Sorry, maybe the coffee was to strong this morning.

Ruediger


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> The timer in the hp200lx can operate just like this; though it seems to=

> check just once per second.
Surely the timer checks 18.2 times a second like any other 80(1)86!

> accesses slowied it down too much, I'd be happy to have it update the
> screen only once every few seconds.
No, you can *not* live with that.

It would certainly be possible to write a multitasking shell which
executed a communication program or compiler in the background (or an
editor which allocated timeslices to an externally executing program).
However compilers are very resource demanding and the HPLX is not that
fast and it may end up as a "multi-grinding" shell. Hmm, it would anyway
be a fun project...

Quite another thing is that the 80186 does not have protected memory so
it would not be perfect.

The Psion Series 3 is BTW multitasking running on a 8086 look-a-like.

Back in the mid-80ies (when the 8086 were young and beautiful) there
were some multitasking shells around. Cannot remember the names.

I also remember a programming editor of the name Epsilon (not shareware,
made by a company called something like Lugano?) which had built-in
multitasking.

Jorgen

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>Criticise Microsoft. For unfinished software; for predatory consolidatio=
n

Let's be fair:
1) However imperfect, W3.1 and W95 works - full stop.
2) Certain applications just cry out for a Windows solution.

It is not the way I *generally* like to work, but - *ALL FLAME SHIELDS
ON* - I happily advice anybody without any interest in computing to go
the Windows way. HP is right in going for a share of the CE market -
it is for a different kind of people.

DOS is for people with an engineering mind.

The task of this group must be to argue to the world (or rather to HP)
that there is enough of our kind to make it worthwhile to produce and
improve the LX concept. I vote for a petition via a web-site after a
thorough discussion in this list.

Microkernels could be the answer for both LX and CE users.

An HP*0LX - perhaps with a 386 (faster chips may (h)eat too much) -
equipped with a microkernel would enable the user to choose which
software to "plug" in: networking, multitasking, DOS / Windows etc. You
can have a fully functional node for a distributed system in your
pocket.

HP - are you listening? You are a company with a tradition for
developing highly creative and advanced solutions in the handheld
market. (If you go for it, feel free to send %-age of your profits my
way).

Jorgen

PS. HP is famed for filling our pockets with advanced solutions.
A certain other company, which we will not name, is famed for emptying
our pockets.

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Personally, I don't think WinCE will fail.  It has too much momentum behind it already.

The original Windows was a much weaker product than WinCE is today.  At least WinCE does have
applications written for it.  Also, WinCE has multiple vendors behind it from the start.

WinCE will evolve from a substandard product today to an mediocre product in a few years with a
large installed base and a wide variety of applications, just like Win95 is today.

WinCE will most probably become the "standard" in low end and portable computing by the turn of the
century.  And, it will crush all of the innovative handheld products we are seeing today, just like
Windows did to all those great DOS products before.

This is why some listees are looking for vertical markets for the 200LX.

Sadly, it's the Microsoft way.  :-(


--- On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:58:38 +1000  Brendan Macmillan <bren@CS.MONASH.EDU.AU> wrote:

>However, Microsoft does not innovate well; it cannot craft the kind of
>elegant technology needed by a resource-poor palmtop: no one who aims for the
>lowest common denominator can. And yet, that is precisely what Microsoft
>sought with WinCE. And that is why it will fail.

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The middle course and the one which offers most benefit to all is to accept that there is a need for both a DOS based and a Windows based palmtop. IMO we are all likely to want to use elements of both in our commercial and social use of the tool. I can't personally imagine ever wanting to use Wordstar under DOS again now that I can have the simplicity of Windows WP programs, but then I choose to run my communications decode software under DOS because I get a better result by doing so.

I think we must accept that HP have "moved on" from the 200 range,  but bring pressure to bear on them and MS to include DOS in a future release of WinCE.

That way we all win.

Ted

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In case anyone is interested, just bought a 12MB ATA flash card from Pretec.

      Price: $147 ($154 total)

    Service: Arrived 3 working days UPS (overnight available).  However, they do have a
             restrictive return policy.

Performance: Came pre-formatted (is this normal?).  Just plugged it in a was up and running.
             Slight performance degradation when compared to my 2MB SRAM card (expected),
             but certainly nothing intrusive.  Have not had time to see how it affects
             battery life.

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I have noticed that many listees have upgraded the speed of their 200LX's.

I find the performance of my 4MB 200LX more than acceptable running built in applications and ACT!.

What applications or circumstances are driving 200LX owners to buy this upgrade?

Thanks.
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Comments: cc: Satoshi Someya <S.Someya@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Text of message from: S.Someya@WORLDNET.ATT.NET,
             written: on Thu, 23 Oct 1997 at 12:51 AM
> Does anyone know how to synchronize Pocket Quicken file with Quicken for
>
> windows version 6.0 through flash memory card?

I don't really understand the question.  If you use a serial connection,
you can synch using Pocket Quicken Connect (from Intuit for about $30).

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>         What's a "LIBRETTO"?

It is a Toshiba machine that is almost as small as a palmtop. It can
run everything a desktop can run, e.g. Windoze or Linux. It has some
major drawbacks for using it as a palmtop for PIM etc.:

 - No instant-on
 - Very short battery life
 - still relatively big

I believe it is much easier to fix those problems than to write all
existing software from scratch for a platform that may not even be =
able
to run most software unless the functionality is stripped down
dramaticly.

Andreas D&A

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: This is a complete 260SM (SelfMade :-). There's "just" the display and a
: housing
: missing.
:

Only that, huh? ;-)

: BTW how is the ROM done in the 3x0LX? Is it Flash or EEprom (something
: that can
: be overwritten)? If not, would it be possible to exchange it with
: something like
: that and download our loved DOS into it?

It is a plug-in card. Unfortunately, everybody's card uses a different
technology and connector. However, assuming you had an SH3
compiler/assembler, I'm sure you could do your own custom stuff. However,
HP and others are not too anxious to explain the internal workings of their
hardware, so you'd be reverse engineering the whole thing.

What you'd have to create is a x86 instruction set emulator (with trapping
capability for "direct to hardware" read/writes), then load DOS and a PC
style BIOS in rom and then your favourite DOS apps on top. Based on the
speeds I've seen, a speed doubled HP200LX would run circles around such a
setup.

rick

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You don't even need PQ Connect, you can connect directly from Quicken v6 Win.

--- On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:15:34 EDT  "Daniel Z. Sands" <dsands@BIDMC.HARVARD.EDU> wrote:

>Text of message from: S.Someya@WORLDNET.ATT.NET,
>             written: on Thu, 23 Oct 1997 at 12:51 AM
>> Does anyone know how to synchronize Pocket Quicken file with Quicken for
>>
>> windows version 6.0 through flash memory card?
>
>I don't really understand the question.  If you use a serial connection,
>you can synch using Pocket Quicken Connect (from Intuit for about $30).
>
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On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Brendan Macmillan wrote:

> Rudi wrote:
> > > But I'd *still* like a multi-tasking hp200lx!
> >   
> > Maybe we should start a thread on the list to discuss possibility
> > of Multi-console under DOS...
>
> Does anyone know if multitasking is *possible* on hp200lx? Some thoughts:
>
> ELKS would provide a (multitasking) unix for the hp200lx; but n/a yet
> QNX would too. But I heard it's not really practical;
> Software Carousel - you can switch between apps; but do they execute in
>         the background?
> HP200LX system manager - it always checks timers and appointment book,
>         whatever you are doing. This is multi-tasking, but very specific.
> --
> What I'd like is a simple text editor that works like that timer: but it
> stores and enters keypresses; and then returns control back to a DOS
> program, which I'd like to be a compiler <g>. The timer in the hp200lx
> can operate just like this; though it seems to check just once per second.

Software Carousel does not execute in the background. Applications are
literally "swapped out" and hence frozen in their tracks until they're
brought back to the foreground.

Limited multi-tasking (with background execution) is possible on the LX
(tho probably quite limited). Way back when, I used a program called
Desqview (by Quarterdeck) on my IBM PC (8088 processor) and it allowed a
multi-windowed environment with time-slicing for each window (you could
run a "chkdsk /v" command in each window and watch them all scrolling
simultaneously). Unfortunately, the program was prone to crashing and had
serious performance problems (as to be expected for a 4.77Mhz 8088). After
I had gotten over the novelty, I decided a stable platform was more
important and stopped using it.

Quarterdeck went on to improve Desqview for the 386 processor, but I lost
track of it (and that developement wouldn't help us LX users anyway).

- Longden

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Comments: To: mdstockr <mdstockr@neo.lrun.com>

I don't think so--Quicken changed it Windows file format after about
version 5.

- Danny

Text of message from mdstockr@neo.lrun.com, 23 Oct 1997, 09:41 AM
> You don't even need PQ Connect, you can connect directly from Quicken v6
> Win.
>
> --- On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:15:34 EDT  "Daniel Z. Sands"
> --- <dsands@BIDMC.HARVARD.EDU> wrote:
>
> >Text of message from: S.Someya@WORLDNET.ATT.NET,
> >             written: on Thu, 23 Oct 1997 at 12:51 AM
> >> Does anyone know how to synchronize Pocket Quicken file with Quicken
> >> for
> >>
> >> windows version 6.0 through flash memory card?
> >
> >I don't really understand the question.  If you use a serial
> >connection, you can synch using Pocket Quicken Connect (from Intuit for
> >about $30).
> -----------------End of Original Message-----------------
>
> ______________________________________________
>
>   "Michael Stocker" <mdstockr@neo.lrun.com>
>            10/23/97 9:44:17 AM EDT
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-> It would certainly be possible to write a multitasking shell which
-> executed a communication program or compiler in the background (or an
-> editor which allocated timeslices to an externally executing
-> program). However compilers are very resource demanding and the HPLX
-> is not that fast and it may end up as a "multi-grinding" shell. Hmm,
-> it would anyway be a fun project...

I wonder if Desqview would run on the 100 or 200LX?  Has anyone tried
it?

Jim

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> >         Recently, my 200LX has developed a problem with the display.
> > Vertical lines are failing to display. As yet, they are all along the
> > left side of the screen. However, as time goes by, more lines are
> > disappearing and it is starting to become more than a minor annoyance.
> >         I have heard through the grapevine that this problem is due to
> > the flexible video cable wearing out. Can anyone verify this? Is there a
> > way that I can fix it myself?
> >
> Its not a cable as such but a strip connection between the LCD panel &
> its circuit board, and permanently? -probably not.
> >
> >         If this problem is not due to the video cable, does anyone out
> > there know what the problem might be? > Thank you,  > Rus
>
> "GENTLY" press on the top of the screen where the blank lines are...  -do
> the lines return???  YES ? this is the bad connector strip problem! Usually
> caused through some sort of bending of the screen/HP**lx as a unit. i.e.
> being carried in a trouser rear pocket (although some claim to do this with
> no problem)  or horozontally in a belt bag (my "cause")  You can remove the
> screen as a unit and dissasemble it (its made like a sandwich in layers held
> together by metal clips along the edges) but the connector is like a thin
> rubber strip the length of the screen and there are no obvious problems
> visible so it is difficult to create a fix.  I havn't been able to find out
> if the connection goes dry (needs some sort of lube) or just gets physically
> loose (theoretically adjusting pressure from the edge clamps could fix any
> looseness)  Does anybody know LCD screen internal theory?


The screen anomalies described here are endemic with the usage of elastomeric
connectors (a.k.a. zebra strips, if you saw one you would understand the name)
to provide electrical connectivity to an LCD. This is one of the few negatives
to this use elastomerics. The 200LX has three connection areas on the LCD: a
zebra strip across the top of the display, a zebra strip across the bottom of
the display, and a heat bonded flex circuit on the left end (or the right, I
forget which).

The zebra strips across the top and bottom of the display provide connectivity
for the drive voltage to each column of pixels (vertical). Even numbered
columns are driven from one strip and and odd numbered columns are driven from
the other strip. The flex circuit provides connectivity of the drive voltages
to each row of pixels (horizontal). The Integrated Circuits on the Display
Module's PCB control the multiplexing of the row and column drive signals to
the control visible state of the individual pixels.

The "video" cable (the flex circuit that is routed through the hinge) from the
200LX base provides a data path from the built-in display controller in the
microprocessor (the Hornet ASIC) to the Display Module. The data transferred
on this cable is the explicit pixel bit map for the display, each bit
transferred represents the present (well, actually the next) state of one
pixel on the display.


If the zebra strip shifts in any direction, and looses contact with the
printed circuit board or the LCD, all of the pixels in a column will not
function. Apparently, the left end of the 200LX display is prone to this
failure mode. IMHO how someone carries the palmtop may or may not contribute
to the hastening of this failure mode.


Symptomatic relief might be found by *GENTLY* pressing the upper left or
bottom left portion of the visible area of the LCD glass. You are pressing too
hard if you see a change in the color of the display around the area were you
are pressing. You will note that it will not take much pressure to create the
color change.



The loss of vertical rows is simple enough to repair by repositioning the
zebra strip.

                      *******Warnings*******

- Do not do this without adult supervision 8-)

- If you are unfamiliar with these technologies *DONT'T DO IT!*, refer it to a
  trained professional. By doing it yourself you may create more problems then
  you are trying to solve.

- Use ESD protection. (If you do not understand "ESD" you *really* should not
  do this procedure!)

- Opening your palmtop voids the warranty.

- "Lubing", as mentioned in an earlier post, is not necessary and may have a
  detrimental impact.

I mention these warnings at the risk of sounding harsh. I am only looking out
for the wellbeing or your palmtop. 8-)

If you have a sense of adventure and are willing to take on the risk of
killing your palmtop, then do it.

I'll try to field what ever questions arise.

Happy Trails

Steve

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On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, mdstockr wrote:

> I have noticed that many listees have upgraded the speed of their 200LX's.
>
> I find the performance of my 4MB 200LX more than acceptable running
> built in applications and ACT!.
>
> What applications or circumstances are driving 200LX owners to buy this
> upgrade?

Boredom <g>.

Seriously, the need for more speed on a computer always seems to make
sense when you find yourself waiting on the machine. As my phonebook and
other database apps grew, so did search times, backup times etc. I also
run alot of DOS apps and that's where it's probably helped the most, tho
the improvement in 123's recalc speed is significant.

I admit there are perfectly good strategies to making efficient use of an
unmodified LX. I just like the faster display and faster swap times using
MaxDOS and EMM. Besides, having a faster machine means I can defer those
"good strategies" till later.

- Longden

PS. I didn't do my first speed upgrade till the original HP warranty ran
out. After that, I was so accustomed to the faster processing that I
"needed" my replacement LX upgraded (after the first was stolen).

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> It is not the way I *generally* like to work, but - *ALL FLAME SHIELDS
> ON* - I happily advice anybody without any interest in computing =
to go
> the Windows way.

Not a flame :-), but a very different opinion. I think that you must
have a degree in computer science to find work arounds for all the =
bugs
and flaws in Windows and Windows apps. I *never* have written a larger
WinWord document without a crash or some other oddities (like suddenly
appearing spreadsheets in the table of contents or other funny stuff).

My wife is not very fond of computers and neither is she a computer
expert. In spite of that, she had no problems writing a 96 page book =
on
a system that she did not use before. Guess what: it was *not* a
Windows machine. It was a Mac. There *are* alternatives!

Andreas D&A

BTW, I believe she would never have been able to complete her work =
on a
Windows machine because she did not make any backup :-)

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Think of the CE as an internet terminal with a built in organizer.
If you remove the files, the organizer is dead.
Or a MS closed system that isn't programable, not
even batch files.

What can be stored of the disk? Word and Excel files?



Helmut Grossinger wrote:

> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
> Subject: Re: 200 LX Promotion Campaign by this list?
> Author:  Non-HP-rwhutch (rwhutch@nr.infi.net) at HP-ColSprings,mimegw1
> Date:    10/22/97 7:47 AM
>
>         "The difference between a CE and an LX is the DOS prompt." ??
>
>         Hi!
>         No,no,no, the biggest difference between a CE and an LX is that you can
> not store any and I mean any database files on the flash disk.
>         There is an app for checkbook, all files have to be in RAM. Phone book,
> appointments are all database files and therefore can not be stored on flash
> disk.
>
>         Helmut in Colorado
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What I mean is, connectivity with 200LX is built into Quicken v6 Win.

--- On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:57:02 EDT  "Daniel Z. Sands" <dsands@bidmc.harvard.edu> wrote:

>I don't think so--Quicken changed it Windows file format after about
>version 5.
>
>- Danny
>
>Text of message from mdstockr@neo.lrun.com, 23 Oct 1997, 09:41 AM
>> You don't even need PQ Connect, you can connect directly from Quicken v6
>> Win.
>>
>> --- On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:15:34 EDT  "Daniel Z. Sands"
>> --- <dsands@BIDMC.HARVARD.EDU> wrote:
>>
>> >Text of message from: S.Someya@WORLDNET.ATT.NET,
>> >             written: on Thu, 23 Oct 1997 at 12:51 AM
>> >> Does anyone know how to synchronize Pocket Quicken file with Quicken
>> >> for
>> >>
>> >> windows version 6.0 through flash memory card?
>> >
>> >I don't really understand the question.  If you use a serial
>> >connection, you can synch using Pocket Quicken Connect (from Intuit for
>> >about $30).
>> -----------------End of Original Message-----------------
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>>   "Michael Stocker" <mdstockr@neo.lrun.com>
>>            10/23/97 9:44:17 AM EDT
>> ______________________________________________

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Date:         Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:12:06 -0500
Reply-To:     Dan Ridenhour <driden@STLNET.COM>
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If you want a good multitasking system for DOS apps, check out DesqView.
That latest versions have been 386 specific, but It was my mainstay on my
old Pinecom XT. It was stable enough to run a BBS in the background, while
having a couple DOS sessions open. In fact it would even run Windows 3.0 in
a session.

Dan
driden@stlnet.com

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From: Jorgen Dybdahl <JDybdahl@COMPUSERVE.COM>
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: A multi-tasking hp200lx? (fwd)
Date: Thursday, October 23, 1997 5:42 AM

> The timer in the hp200lx can operate just like this; though it seems to
> check just once per second.
Surely the timer checks 18.2 times a second like any other 80(1)86!

> accesses slowied it down too much, I'd be happy to have it update the
> screen only once every few seconds.
No, you can *not* live with that.

It would certainly be possible to write a multitasking shell which
executed a communication program or compiler in the background (or an
editor which allocated timeslices to an externally executing program).
However compilers are very resource demanding and the HPLX is not that
fast and it may end up as a "multi-grinding" shell. Hmm, it would anyway
be a fun project...

Quite another thing is that the 80186 does not have protected memory so
it would not be perfect.

The Psion Series 3 is BTW multitasking running on a 8086 look-a-like.

Back in the mid-80ies (when the 8086 were young and beautiful) there
were some multitasking shells around. Cannot remember the names.

I also remember a programming editor of the name Epsilon (not shareware,
made by a company called something like Lugano?) which had built-in
multitasking.

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With all the talk of creating a new machine, etc. I thought this might be
of interest. A UK company is developing a DOS emulator for WinCE!  The have
already creating an INFOCOM text adventure emulator and expect to release
their DOS emulator in November.  The URL to their site is below.

URL: http://www.pyram-id.demon.co.uk/

Dan
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-> If you want a good multitasking system for DOS apps, check out
-> DesqView. That latest versions have been 386 specific, but It was my
-> mainstay on my old Pinecom XT. It was stable enough to run a BBS in
-> the background, while having a couple DOS sessions open. In fact it
-> would even run Windows 3.0 in a session.

Yes DV is *still* the primary multi-tasker used to run BBSs and is very
stable.  I run a 5 node BBS under it and usually have 2 dos windows open
at the same time.  I never tried it on my Palmtop though...

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     Hi!
     You say benefits. I sure do not see the benefits. It is us the
     computer users who definitely do NOT benefit from the monopoly of MS.
     Microsoft is NOT the great giver of freedoms on the computers. It is
     actually the taker of freedoms. I for one will always believe in
     choice no matter what. But with MS there are no choices. unless you
     count Win95, WinCE and WinNT choices I do not. Not one of the above is
     any good. But let one small upstart try to get and actually find a
     better operating system and "he" will be but out of business in a
     heartbeat by that giant gorilla called Microsoft. I can not believe
     the stuff I read. Sometimes I think I am in some totalitarian system.

     Helmut in Colorado

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Subject:      Re: Why Upgrade 200LX Speed?
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LL>> I have noticed that many listees have upgraded the speed of their 200LX's.
  >>
  >> I find the performance of my 4MB 200LX more than acceptable running
  >> built in applications and ACT!.
  >>
  >> What applications or circumstances are driving 200LX owners to buy this
  >> upgrade?

I use 1st Reader on my 100LX as my mail program.  It's also a comm
program with built in scripting language, file manager, and database so
you can save, sort, and retrieve messages from a knowledge base you can
build from saved mesages.  It runs ok on the 100LX but it's a little
slow.  Thus I ordered a double speed 200LX from Thaddeus....

Jim

  jim@airgunhq.com    jim@airpower.com

 * 1st 2.00 ~ . Sharps Old Reliable: The original long distance call.

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     Hi!
     I have then one question. What is fast enough?

     Helmut in Colorado

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     Hi!
     that is correct. Letters and some spreadsheets.

     Helmut in Colorado

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Date:         Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:00:13 -0700
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On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Helmut Grossinger wrote:

>      Hi!
>      that is correct. Letters and some spreadsheets.

At the risk of appearing "politically backwards", I'm finding it difficult
to understand some postings without at least a bit of quoting...or maybe I
should just ignore the ones that seem like I walked into the middle of a
conversation?

- Longden

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Check out:

http://comports.com/hplx

for some downloads and info about a "possible" future of palmtops.

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On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Helmut Grossinger wrote:

>      I have then one question. What is fast enough?

IMHO, "fast enough" is when you're not constantly waiting for your
machine.

In some cases, that means getting a faster machine. In many cases, it may
just mean working smarter.

And in some cases, "fast enough" just means faster than anyone else on the
block <g>.

- Longden

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Date:         Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:14:45 -0400
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Tried going there, but web page wouldn't load.

--- On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:41:37 -0400  X X <hplx@COMPORTS.COM> wrote:

>Check out:
>
>http://comports.com/hplx
>
>for some downloads and info about a "possible" future of palmtops.
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Date:         Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:56:11 -0400
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I am very interested in how palmtops are used everyday.  Looking for information on usage in both a
statistical sence and by exambles.  Also looking for info on various vertical market usage.

I would really appreciate if you would let me know of any digital or printed references (other than Palmtop
Paper) on the subject.

Thanks.
______________________________________________

  "Michael Stocker" <mdstockr@neo.lrun.com>
           10/23/97 6:57:10 PM EDT
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Has anybody used the IBM Home & Away 14.4kbps modem and Ethernet
adapter with a 200lx? Can the AA's power that particular card? Does
it last as long, longer, or less then other 14.4kbps modems?
Thanks,
Jay W. Summet

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Just got a catalog from MicroWarehouse.  Has the Compaq PC Companion
(wince) - billed as "The companionship your PC has been looking for!"

Now we know why WinDoze is crash-prone. It's lonely and depressed...

Awwww...

-PR
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Let me restate my question in detail.
Since I have HP200LX and connectivity pack I have no problem
synchronizing Pocket Quicken file with Quicken for Windows 95 on my
notebook computer.
However, other than this purpose, I always transfer/synchronize files
using flash ram card and Laplink for Windows 95 on my notebook because
it's much faster and reliable.
So what I'm looking for is the way to convert the synchronized Pocket
Quicken file in my notebook computer to Quicken file readable from
Quicken for Windows 95 ver. 6 or any way for Quicken to read Pocket
Quicken file.
I would appreciate any suggestions.
 $B!! (J
 $B!! (J

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I don't think the home and away card works with the 200LX.

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Brendan Macmillan wrote:
> Just an incidental followup to the post about year 200 bugs on hp200lx:
> Apparently, it's not so much that programs think that the year is two
> digits (ie using 97 instead of 1997). The problem is that databases -
> which can outlast generations of programs - don't store the date
> correctly. And apparently, that's the biggie. :) bren@cs.monash.edu.au

Hi Brendan & group
I tried a Y2K test program called WILLIT.exe and it said that my 200lx
failed 3 of the 4 tests.
1/ Real Time Clock Rollover test =FAIL
2/ Powered on Operating system Rollover test =PASS
3/ Leap Year 2000 Test =Fail
4/ Non Leap year 2001 Test = Fail

Has anybody else tried Willit.exe ?
-its a dos Year 2000 PC test program
I found it at http://www.sbhs.com/y2k
Is this going to cause any problems,
or do we have to have that HP260LX
upgrade before the end of 1999?

Regards

John Shaw
NZ

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Well, insurance did cover all of the damage but $250.  Since
I'm just in high school, and don't yet have a job (other than
heading a software company which doesn't make any money)
I'll have to hold out on buying another palmtop.  I'm just getting
a 48GX and a 256K RAM card.  But, let's face it, a 48GX has
_way_ better games. ;)

I think I'll stay on this list for DOS-related stuff tho, plus y'all
are so much more intelligent and civil and progress-oriented
than comp.sys.hp48.

Well, just to let you guys know that this has a happier ending
than being out $700.  Bye...

Ian Butler
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.
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> But until then, the closest thing to this standard are the humble =
hplx's -
> and it may well be that Microsoft and Intel will *never* shake off =
the
> legacy of DOS software that they created. Windows95 is still back-compat=
iable,
> and very successful. But WindowsNT is not compatiable, and is not =
so
> successful. WinCE is not compatiable, and is not successful.
>
> Perhaps the mainstream will ultimately reverse its flow, and return =
to
> DOS and the hplx's? If so, we will again praise and criticise Microsoft.

FWIW, I endorse your views fully! 'More' in not always better in the
same way that 'new' is not always better... <g>

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> > The timer in the hp200lx can operate just like this; though it seems to
> > check just once per second.
> Surely the timer checks 18.2 times a second like any other 80(1)86!
Hmmm. Set the timer for 1 min. Then open another another application.
When the timer pops up, you will see that there is a good fraction of a
second remaining until it actually goes off. Ergo, it checks only once a
second. It would be overkill to check more often.

You, off course, may be thinking of something completely different.  :) <g>

> > accesses slowed it down too much, I'd be happy to have it update the
> > screen only once every few seconds.
> No, you can *not* live with that.
I'll be the judge of that, thank you very much. I often type ahead while
I'm waiting for compiling to finish - and I'm just wanting to note things
down, read what I've got so far, and not actually "edit" text.

> However compilers are very resource demanding and the HPLX is not that
> fast and it may end up as a "multi-grinding" shell. Hmm, it would anyway
> be a fun project...
Ah! This is more like it :) But, I do think text processing is the least
demanding application; and if compilation takes 5% longer, so what?
At least you have your note-pad.

> I also remember a programming editor of the name Epsilon (not shareware,
> made by a company called something like Lugano?) which had built-in
> multitasking.
Thanks Jorgden! I'll look this up.
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Date:         Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:25:01 -0600
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I have a 200LX for about 2 years.  I have
souped it up with a double-speed clock and a
4 Mb memory module and an 85 Mb flash card.
Net:  PC/XT with 5 Mb RAM, 85 Mb disk.

(BTW: With double speed, I wait 1-4 seconds
instead of 2-10 seconds on a lookup.  It
makes it possible to find info and smoothly
continue conversations. Well worth it. )

I carry it, a Newton Keyboard, cellular
modem, 2 4/5 Mb flashcards for backup,
cables, batteries, etc. in a leather purse
(from Educalc).

Although I had a Dell XPI Pentium with
color, CD, etc, I was forced to use my
palmtop to configure a radio at a field
site.  The laptop was unusable in the
sunlight.

I have successfully used this unit to do the
following:

1. Configure network and communications
devices, including:
  Synoptics hubs,
  Wellfleet and Cisco Routers,
  MDS MAS/960 radios, modems.
  (built-in Datacom)

2. Carry techical information and books and
images for reference and for reading.
Network Documentation for my company's LAN,
WAN, microwave, VHF systems. Copies of
Router configuration, Unix files, etc.
Drawings, maps, scanned images.
American Heritage Dictionary, Company
telephone books, and misc reading material
(Guttenburg Project and Usenet newsgroups )

( VR is a reader program that makes the HP a
paperback book. )
( LXPIC viewers let one use maps and scanned
information. )

3. Communications:
   WWW, Internet email, Usenet Newsgroups.
   (Net Tamer )
   Send text pages via regular telephone and
modem and via cellular telephone and modem.
(Alfie )

4.  Developing and running  custom programs
in Forth and C. (Turbo C,Pygmy Forth, FPC).

5. Finding my way to obscure locations and
back home. LXGPS and Eagle GPS.  ( Precision
Streets for maps, GPS, cable. )

6. Word processing with Wordperfect 5.1 for
DOS.

7. PIM - using both built-in applications
and Infoselect for DOS and Infoselect for
Windows - A GREAT PROGRAM.
(1600 Contacts, 1100 Notes/items ).

(Exchange .WD files from Palmtop / Laptop
via flashcard. )

8. Financial / Checkbook with Quicken.

Useful programs: Lotus Magellan, List (
Buerg ), Quick filer ( Ken Flee ).

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Non-DOS OS solutions are usually undesirable
because they take you out of the DOS
software arena.

DOS does not have a true multi-tasking
kernel.  It is not designed for
multi-tasking and does not do it very well.

The chips before the 80386 did not support
effective, efficient memory protection.
TSRs tended to crash the system or exhaust
memory.

The 200 program is a perfect example of a
TSR.  It gives lots of features and leaves
almost no space for another DOS program to
run.

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Hello.
I have a short (one-line) batch file which simply takes the file name I
enter and feeds it to the FF.COM file-finding program (very fast!).
However, when I type "EXIT" to return to Filer, I either get a series of
beeps or Filer starts trying to locate files starting with the French
character for a soft "C" (looks like a c with a squiggle on the bottom).
It takes several presses of the ESC key to get rid of it.  Why is this
occurring and how do I stop it?

Second, I would like to use the PICK.EXE program to feed file names to
programs other than PE.  PICK can save the name of the selected file in a
file.  How do I feed the contents of that file to a program?

Thanks for any help.
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How HP used:

  Music education/training
  as a Shrink: Private Training through GOODMOOD, a program written by a
psychiatrist
  To create "job aids" -- notes on how to do various tasks--technical notes
  To make technical lnotes on a WIP (work in progress)
   To record notes on how to access various driveson a network and other
technical notes.
  To write my next book on music (using a Newton keybaord)
  To read books via etext.
   Tobe on time for appointments.
  To record interesting URLS
   To rate my progress on my goals (in a Lotus spreadssheet)
   As an alarm clock and to set the tone for the day.
   To record all expenses.
   To study various subjects using MASTERY.EXE



At 06:56 PM 10/23/97 -0400, mdstockr wrote:
>I am very interested in how palmtops are used everyday.  Looking for
information on usage in both a
>statistical sence and by exambles.  Also looking for info on various
vertical market usage.
>
>I would really appreciate if you would let me know of any digital or
printed references (other than Palmtop
>Paper) on the subject.
>
>Thanks.
>______________________________________________
>
>  "Michael Stocker" <mdstockr@neo.lrun.com>
>           10/23/97 6:57:10 PM EDT
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Visit http://www.ilovemusic.com  to explore music and dance!
Ear Trainer-software to improve your ear (HP 200LX or desktop PCs)
SHE--shareware Hypertext editor for HP 200 LX call or write for more info.
MASTERY--shareware program to help you master any subject!
Phil Seyer (415) 665-8933, ext. 333

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Thanks for a very interesting list of uses and software.

Gordon Douglas Stevens wrote:
<snip>
> 5. Finding my way to obscure locations and
> back home. LXGPS and Eagle GPS.  ( Precision
> Streets for maps, GPS, cable. )

Could we get more information on Precision Streets?  Where can we get it?  Is it
still in production?  How big is it?
<snip>
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OK, I have these updates, and I am wondering why Mack of Times2Tech is not doing
them.

2.3x speed upgrade and Electroilluminence
- http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~naka_dai/hp200lx/ellxe.html

Also, I was wondering if the firmware of the 200LX can be remade, so that some MUST
HAVE apps like ABC/LX, WWW/LX, Post/LX and other things are INBUILT, **AND** the
year 2000 problem resolved... I mean, on his reputation on 200LX, I believe he can buy
the rights from HP to create a NEW BIOS, of which deployment would be up to him.

Other software to adjust

DataComm : {Commo}
DOS : FreeDOS v7 with inbuilt Stacker
cc:Mail : Post/LX
World Time : Update the cities!!! (There is no California, no Palo Alta, etc....)
And finally make the entire thing with Buddy/Lite or something......

Think about it. It would put us on par with the 320LX in terms of Internet Access and
flexibility.
... Double your drive space! Delete Windows!

PGP Public Key Fingerprint = E3 90 4F AB 37 A0 33 F4  56 F1 91 36 9A C9 A2 39

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Any good places on the web for online shopping of such cards?
Can anyone recommend any good-value-for-money cards?

/Boerge Haga
borgeh@nextel.no

mdstockr wrote:

> In case anyone is interested, just bought a 12MB ATA flash card from
> Pretec.
>
>       Price: $147 ($154 total)
>
>     Service: Arrived 3 working days UPS (overnight available).
> However, they do have a
>              restrictive return policy.
>
> Performance: Came pre-formatted (is this normal?).  Just plugged it in
> a was up and running.
>              Slight performance degradation when compared to my 2MB
> SRAM card (expected),
>              but certainly nothing intrusive.  Have not had time to
> see how it affects
>              battery life.
>
> ______________________________________________
>
>   "Michael Stocker" <mdstockr@neo.lrun.com>
>            10/23/97 8:37:43 AM EDT
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>Not a flame :-), but a very different opinion. I think that you must
>have a degree in computer science to find work arounds for all the bugs
>and flaws in Windows and Windows apps. I *never* have written a larger
>WinWord document without a crash or some other oddities (like suddenly
>appearing spreadsheets in the table of contents or other funny stuff).
>
>My wife is not very fond of computers and neither is she a computer
>expert. In spite of that, she had no problems writing a 96 page book on
>a system that she did not use before. Guess what: it was *not* a
>Windows machine. It was a Mac. There *are* alternatives!
>
>Andreas D&A
>
>BTW, I believe she would never have been able to complete her work on a
>Windows machine because she did not make any backup :-)

Hi,

That's my experience also! I did some video editing on my desktop last
weekend and just for fun I used the Stop Watch in my 200LX in order to see
the actual productive time I spent on the project. The result was very
interesting: of a total time of 21 1/2 hours, I only had 5 hours 18 min
which was productive. The other 16 hours and 12 min I was reinstalling
coruppted software, searching lost DLL files, redoing work which I lost
because of Win 95 hang (saved every 10 min, but the PC hung 17 times during
the 21 1/2 hours) e.t.c. So one thing is for sure- the most popular
platform is like sh_t! That's why I love my HP 200LX! I can work for hours
on it without losing data. By the way- I have not lost any data for the
last 2 1/2 years when I am using the 200LX, but I lost data earlier today
when I used Win 95!

Regards,

Jorgen

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> > > The timer in the hp200lx can operate just like this; though it seem=
s
to
> > > check just once per second.
> > Surely the timer checks 18.2 times a second like any other 80(1)86!
> Hmmm. Set the timer for 1 min. Then open another another application.
> When the timer pops up, you will see that there is a good fraction of a=

> second remaining until it actually goes off. Ergo, it checks only once =
a
> second. It would be overkill to check more often.
> You, off course, may be thinking of something completely different.  :)=


No, but you are ;8-). The clock interrupt is executed by the chip 18.2
times/s on any 80x86. But the clock application in the PIM does not
*display* the time until the counter has got to a full second.

I recently wrote a (yet another) clock program which constantly displays
the current time in the corner of the screen, working in the same way.
(Can't live without an on-screen clock!).

>Epsilon
The program was not in public domain. It was the main competitor to
Brief and seemed widely used. Maybe someone in one of the programming
lists still have an old version.

Jorgen

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Brge Haga wrote:

> Any good places on the web for online shopping of such cards?
> Can anyone recommend any good-value-for-money cards?

To follow-up on myself here:

(I have a 200LX.)

2 questions:
1) Does combined modem and flash cards exist? Where? How much?
    A 33 K modem with flash combined?

2) Could these card be future-safe so that I ( if (and only if) I get
confused,
    accidently loose half my brain and go nuts and therefore quite
hypothetically
    go out and buy e.g. a WindowsCe or PSION machine (God forbid)) can
still use the flash
    card used on the 200LX in my new PDA?

/Boerge Haga
borgeh@nextel.no

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>----------
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>To:    HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>Subject:       Flash-card
>
<snip>
>1) Does combined modem and flash cards exist? Where? How much?  A 33 K modem
>with flash combined?

Yes, at least two companies make combo cards.  EXP and Smart.  I have an
EXP (14.4/4meg)
The EXP card has worked fine for two years, never remove it (unless
showing it off).  If you are looking for recommendations, don't buy a
combo.  By the time you do want to upgrade, all or part of the
combination may not be useful in the computing environment that exists
(the future).  The EXP's modem is still useful (slow, but it still works
under current "state-of-the-confusion" OS's), however the flash is not
"plug and swear".  EXP steadfastly refuses to release a driver (for the
flash) for use under Weirdness95.

>2) Could these card be future-safe so that I ( if (and only if) I get
confused, accidently loose half my brain and go nuts and therefore quite
>hypothetically go out and buy e.g. a WindowsCe or PSION machine (God forbid))
>can still use the flash card used on the 200LX in my new PDA?

I touched on the "future safe" idea above.  As far as the EXP in a 320
(or CE in general) I don't know and likely will not ever find out.
PSION?  At least they (PSION's "team") never proposed that the PISON
machines "replace" anything.  PSION has always been non-DOS and never
proposed to be anything other than an (quote me if you like) "electronic
daytimer".

Phil

>

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--- On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:43:23 +0100  Bxrge Haga <borgeh@NEXTEL.NO> wrote:

>1) Does combined modem and flash cards exist? Where? How much?
>    A 33 K modem with flash combined?

    - A 14.4K MODEM, YES, UP TO 8MB.  SEE:

      http://www.expnet.com

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Hi every one!

My first posting to this list.

I am a dentist in Manchester England, have used 95LX and now 200LX  for the
last four or five years, and have enjoyed that. I don't use it for work,
just very simple appilcations, and use backup and copy to my PC.

I also use Intellisync. More of this later.


Jorgen wrote:

>>Not a flame :-), but a very different opinion. I think that you must
>>have a degree in computer science to find work arounds for all the bugs
>>and flaws in Windows and Windows apps. I *never* have written a larger
>>WinWord document without a crash or some other oddities (like suddenly
>>appearing spreadsheets in the table of contents or other funny stuff).
>>
>>My wife is not very fond of computers and neither is she a computer
>>expert. In spite of that, she had no problems writing a 96 page book on
>>a system that she did not use before. Guess what: it was *not* a
>>Windows machine. It was a Mac. There *are* alternatives!
>>
>>Andreas D&A
>>
>>BTW, I believe she would never have been able to complete her work on a
>>Windows machine because she did not make any backup :-)
>

>Hi,
>
>That's my experience also! I did some video editing on my desktop last
>weekend and just for fun I used the Stop Watch in my 200LX in order to see
>the actual productive time I spent on the project. The result was very
>interesting: of a total time of 21 1/2 hours, I only had 5 hours 18 min
>which was productive. The other 16 hours and 12 min I was reinstalling
>coruppted software, searching lost DLL files, redoing work which I lost
>because of Win 95 hang (saved every 10 min, but the PC hung 17 times during
>the 21 1/2 hours) e.t.c. So one thing is for sure- the most popular
>platform is like sh_t! That's why I love my HP 200LX! I can work for hours
>on it without losing data. By the way- I have not lost any data for the
>last 2 1/2 years when I am using the 200LX, but I lost data earlier today
>when I used Win 95!
>
>Regards,
>
>Jorgen
>
>
I think it varies with your machine, config and software. I felt my Lotus
Smartsuite caused me problems, but the hangs are rare-ish. I'm enjoying the
benefits of MSIE4.0 and active desktop.

I have problems with synchronising my HP200lx with Lotus Organiser on my
PC, using software called Intellisync, made by Puma Technology in USA

People must be familiar with this. It keeps a history file, and you can
make changes on both computers then synchronize both. Anyway this has now
stopped working for me. HP Handheld support in the UK have been helpful. I
feel my PIM files on the 200 are OK, and they function well. Puma tech help
have helped but they insist I must have corruption of my files on the 200,
which they say is caused by leaving apps open when switching on or off. To
me this has been one of the beauties of the HP Handhelds. However, it seems
I cannot have it both ways, and the software has been a waste of money.

I would be interested to hear your opinions on this, mail me privately or
to the list.

Regards,



Tony

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Hi every one!

My first posting to this list.

I am a dentist in Manchester, England, have used 95LX and now 200LX  for
the last four or five years, and have enjoyed that. I don't use it for
work, just very simple applications, and use backup and copy to my PC.

I also use Intellisync. More of this later.


Jorgen wrote:

>>Not a flame :-), but a very different opinion. I think that you must
>>have a degree in computer science to find work arounds for all the bugs
>>and flaws in Windows and Windows apps. I *never* have written a larger
>>WinWord document without a crash or some other oddities (like suddenly
>>appearing spreadsheets in the table of contents or other funny stuff).
>>
>>My wife is not very fond of computers and neither is she a computer
>>expert. In spite of that, she had no problems writing a 96 page book on
>>a system that she did not use before. Guess what: it was *not* a
>>Windows machine. It was a Mac. There *are* alternatives!
>>
>>Andreas D&A
>>
>>BTW, I believe she would never have been able to complete her work on a
>>Windows machine because she did not make any backup :-)
>

>Hi,
>
>That's my experience also! I did some video editing on my desktop last
>weekend and just for fun I used the Stop Watch in my 200LX in order to see
>the actual productive time I spent on the project. The result was very
>interesting: of a total time of 21 1/2 hours, I only had 5 hours 18 min
>which was productive. The other 16 hours and 12 min I was reinstalling
>coruppted software, searching lost DLL files, redoing work which I lost
>because of Win 95 hang (saved every 10 min, but the PC hung 17 times during
>the 21 1/2 hours) e.t.c. So one thing is for sure- the most popular
>platform is like sh_t! That's why I love my HP 200LX! I can work for hours
>on it without losing data. By the way- I have not lost any data for the
>last 2 1/2 years when I am using the 200LX, but I lost data earlier today
>when I used Win 95!
>
>Regards,
>
>Jorgen
>
>
I think it varies with your machine, config and software. I felt my Lotus
Smartsuite caused me problems, but the hangs are rare-ish. I'm enjoying the
benefits of MSIE4.0 and active desktop.

Back to 200LX

I have problems with synchronising my HP200lx with Lotus Organiser on my
PC, using software called Intellisync, made by Puma Technology in USA

People must be familiar with this. It keeps a history file, and you can
make changes on both computers then synchronize both. Anyway this has now
stopped working for me. HP Handheld support in the UK have been helpful. I
feel my PIM files on the 200 are OK, and they function well. Puma tech help
have helped but they insist I must have corruption of my files on the 200,
which they say is caused by leaving apps open when switching on or off. To
me this has been one of the beauties of the HP Handhelds. However, it seems
I cannot have it both ways, and the software has been a waste of money.

I would be interested to hear your opinions on this, mail me privately or
to the list.

Regards,



Tony

ICQ :        3166307
URL:        http://www.zen.co.uk/home/page/tony-j/ww1/index.htm

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Date:         Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:41:42 -0400
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Are the Newton Keyboards available from Shier Systems?  I ordered  one via
e-mail, or at least I thought I did, anyway, I have received no
response...and my subsequent e-mails have gone unanswered...   Teresa

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Date:         Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:29:45 -0400
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Nicholas Chan <ncknight@pacific.net.sg> wrote:

> Also, I was wondering if the firmware of the 200LX can be remade,=
 so
> that some MUST HAVE apps like ABC/LX, WWW/LX, Post/LX and other
> things are INBUILT,
>
> Other software to adjust
>
> DataComm : {Commo}
> DOS : FreeDOS v7 with inbuilt Stacker
> cc:Mail : Post/LX
>
> And finally make the entire thing with Buddy/Lite or something......

This is a nice selection of apps.  But - even assuming that physical
replacement of the 200LX ROM is practical, there are a few problems.=

With the possible exception of FreeDOS, all this software is either
commercial or shareware. It would need to be licensed from the owners.=

Also, one reason this software is so good is that it is periodically
upgraded.  ROM-ing it will defeat future updates.

PR
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Date:         Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:49:37 -0400
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Reportedly, ATA flash cards can periodically cause heavy instantaneous power drain on the 200LX's
batteries.  This can cause a potential problem with partially discharged alkaline batteries, which
might not be able to handle the load, resulting in write errors.

Does anyone have any suggestions on when to remove alkaline batteries (voltage) so that the above
problem does not occur.

I am planning to switch to a more suitable type of battery in the future, but I just purchased a
bulk pack of batteries that I need to use up.

Thanks.
______________________________________________

  "Michael Stocker" <mdstockr@neo.lrun.com>
           10/24/97 3:44:29 PM EDT
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> From: Phil Drummond <phil_drummond@PAGENET.COM>
> To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
> Subject: Re: Flash-card
> Date: Friday, October 24, 1997 9:17 AM
>
> >----------
> >From:  Bxrge HagaSMTP:borgeh@NEXTEL.NO
> >Sent:  Friday, October 24, 1997 9:43 AM
> >To:    HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> >Subject:       Flash-card
> >
<snip>
> >2) Could these card be future-safe so that I ( if (and only if) I get
> confused, accidently loose half my brain and go nuts and therefore quite
> >hypothetically go out and buy e.g. a WindowsCe or PSION machine (God
forbid))
> >can still use the flash card used on the 200LX in my new PDA?
>
> I touched on the "future safe" idea above.  As far as the EXP in a 320
> (or CE in general) I don't know and likely will not ever find out.
> PSION?  At least they (PSION's "team") never proposed that the PISON
> machines "replace" anything.  PSION has always been non-DOS and never
> proposed to be anything other than an (quote me if you like) "electronic
> daytimer".

PSION 3x machines don't use flash at all, and the series 5 uses compact
flash and doesnt come with a PCMCIA card slot at all.  So, combo cards are
useless in the PSION machines, if you want to buy flash and later use it
with WINCE and PSION system, get compact flash, and a compact flash Type II
adapter.

As for PSION being only a daytimer, take a look at the software, keyboard,
etc. For alot of people it could completely replace carrying a notebook.
The apps in the Series 5 make the WinCE apps look like toys. (I know...
thats not that hard. <g>)

Dan

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Date:         Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:10:58 -0500
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On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Peniel Romanelli wrote:

> upgraded.  ROM-ing it will defeat future updates.

Use Flash rather than ROM.

Many products today use Flash for this very reason. Products can be upgraded
over the phone rather than returned to the factory or local service center for
the upgrade.

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Sorry, was not trying to start something, guess my reply was self
supporting as to how little I know about PSION.  :)

>As for PSION being only a daytimer, take a look at the software, keyboard,
>etc. For alot of people it could completely replace carrying a notebook.
>The apps in the Series 5 make the WinCE apps look like toys. (I know...
>thats not that hard. <g>)
>

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no problem, I wasnt trying to start something either, its just that the
PSION gets so little credit, when its  a first rate machine.  If it wasnt
for my need to run DOS apps, and the missing card slot in the Series 5 I
would have one today <g>

If you wanted to build the ultimate LX, be sure to include the Series 5
keyboard, its closer to a notebook than a palmtop, but in the size of a
palmtop.

Dan
driden@stlnet.com

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> Date: Friday, October 24, 1997 3:35 PM
>
> Sorry, was not trying to start something, guess my reply was self
> supporting as to how little I know about PSION.  :)
>
> >As for PSION being only a daytimer, take a look at the software,
keyboard,
> >etc. For alot of people it could completely replace carrying a notebook.
> >The apps in the Series 5 make the WinCE apps look like toys. (I know...
> >thats not that hard. <g>)
> >
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Well, folks, it's been fun, but my internet account will be running=
 out
soon, and I've been having lots of problems lately, so I'm not all that
inclined to renew.  So, I'm going to have to bid this list farewell.
Unfortunately, that means my web site will also be going down.
If things improve soon, I'll be back up in the same spot.
If not, I'll be moving to another site.
In any case, if I do find a new location for my site, I'll post a
message with details.

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Date:         Fri, 24 Oct 1997 20:13:30 -0400
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There was a small debate about the usefullness of a DOS emulator for the
wince machines on the WindowsCE-Talk List.

Rob Ornee wrote:

This is very sad.
Why the heck would you go and buy yourself a piece of leading
edge technology like WinCE only to start taking it back to the dark
ages?!?!?

Then this respones from Christian Morency:

To quote a famous movie (The original quote at the end of the message
(in case you don't recognize the movie).

"This was the formal OS of a PC USER. Not as clumsy or random as
WINDOWS. More skill than simple sight was required for its use. An
elegant OS. It was a symbol as well. Anyone can use WINDOWS 95 or
WINDOWS NT - but to use DOS as well was a mark of someone a cut above
the rest"

I think a DOS Emulator would be a great + to the Windows CE....Maybe you
haven't heard about the Windows CE Apps Wishlist, if you would take the
time to explore my website (http://www.jimmy.com/morency/wishlist.html) you
would notice many people wishing they had some software already
available for DOS... How many wishes would come true !!! I would love to
play my old Exodus - Ultima 3 on my HPC, or play a game of ROGUE... but
then, I can't...

Best regards
Chris

original quote from the Movie book :
"This was the formal weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or random as
a blaster. More skill than simple sight was required for its use. An
elegant weapon. It was a symbol as well. Anyone can use a blaster or
fusioncutter - but to use a lightsaber as well was a mark of someone a
cut above the rest"

Obi-Wan Kenobi in Star Wars


Owen Samuelson  KU4ET
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Date:         Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:19:48 -0700
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Does anybody out there know where I might find a softcopy of the manual
for ACT! for the HP Palmtop?

It would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance.

Bradley Johnson
bjohnson@platsoft.com

HP200lx w/ a crack

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> Well, folks, it's been fun, but my internet account will be running=
 out
> soon, and I've been having lots of problems lately, so I'm not all=
 that
> inclined to renew.  So, I'm going to have to bid this list farewell.

  Sorry to hear this David. Hope that your connection problems will=
 be
sorted out so that we can benefit from your expertise and HP camaraderie=
 on
the List sometime soon.

 Best regards,





 Jagdesh Maraj <joshuam@carib-link.net>

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> No problem, I wasnt trying to start something either, its just that=
 the
> PSION gets so little credit, when its  a first rate machine.  If it=
 wasnt
> for my need to run DOS apps, and the missing card slot in the Series=
 5 I
> would have one today <g>

  Apart from the two mentioned above, what else in your opinion is lacking?=

My apologies, but you sound as if you had evaluated this machine
personally, hence the direct question <g>

> If you wanted to build the ultimate LX, be sure to include the Series=
 5
> keyboard, its closer to a notebook than a palmtop, but in the size=
 of a
> palmtop.

  A business acquaintance of mine from the UK passed through by me
recently but time was against us for me to *really* look at his Psion.=
 You
are right..fantastic keyboard, good screen. No PCMCIA slot, and from=
 what I
understand, it has to be ordered specifically with modem capabilities.

 Please All, don't be too hard on me (especially Ian!) but as an
alternative, or contingency plan, I just wanted some more info on the
Psion. Where I work, there used to be 5 proud LX users. We recently=
 had a
320LX infiltrate the hallowed halls, and if that is the future..I don't=
 want
it. As an owner of a 41CX since 1987, it confounds me that HP is moving
away from a secure market to just capture another. Geez, you would think
that they had the resources to hold on to the two!

Sorry, got carried away there.

Best regards,




 Jagdesh Maraj <joshuam@carib-link.net>

 Trinidad, West Indies.

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Date: Friday, October 24, 1997 8:17 PM

> No problem, I wasnt trying to start something either, its just that the
> PSION gets so little credit, when its  a first rate machine.  If it wasnt
> for my need to run DOS apps, and the missing card slot in the Series 5 I
> would have one today <g>

  Apart from the two mentioned above, what else in your opinion is lacking?
My apologies, but you sound as if you had evaluated this machine
personally, hence the direct question <g>

Thats about it for its bad points, It uses an ARM 7100 processor at 18mhz
and
seems quick to respond. The OS was written from the ground up as a palmtop
os
unlike Wince which is a Win95 look alike.  The apps are robust by desktop
standards
not just for a palmtop. Great Keyboard and a good screen. It seems that no
touch screens
are really great, but the PSION is way above average, and the backlight is
something I would
on my LX. <g>

Every PSION ever created comes with OPL (a basic like programming language)
built into rom making the psion one of the easiest machines to develop for.
(Everything you need to develop for the machine is in ROM.

I can see why the Series 5 doesnt use Type II card slots, as it supports
Compact flash for memory and thats the future standard. Since internal
modems have a working life of 10-15 min. in CE machines adding a slot just
for a modem isnt really a good use of space. Here are your options for
telcom from what I understand:

1. Purchase the external PsiMail package with a battery powered modem,
cables, software, etc.
2. Purchase their external PCMCIA card adapter and use a PCMCIA modem
externally with it.
3. The series 5 connects directly to a GSM phone with no modem required.
Since digital phone networks are the future as well and already the
standard in europe, this is the bet for the future.

On a broader scale, Newton + WinCE + MagicCap + etc. may have been the
competing OS's for palmtops in the US, but in the rest of the world Psion
has ruled since the 3a came out, which BTW was an 80x86 based system which
had alot in common with DOS under the hood.

Hope this helps.

Dan
driden@stlnet.com

 Jagdesh Maraj <joshuam@carib-link.net>

 Trinidad, West Indies.

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Date:         Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:20:31 +1000
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> By the way- I have not lost any data for the
> last 2 1/2 years when I am using the 200LX, but I lost data earlier today
> when I used Win 95!

This is an amazing and compelling testimony!

--
bren@cs.monash.edu.au                                   Brendan Macmillan

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Yes; the Psion machines are wonderful.

But the very choice of an elegant and powerful OS designed specifically
for a palmtop is that it cuts the machine off from mainstream software.
*We've* got all the DOS software you can imagine. :)

> Every PSION ever created comes with OPL (a basic like programming language)
> built into rom making the psion one of the easiest machines to develop for.
> (Everything you need to develop for the machine is in ROM.
Except that it's interpreted, and therefore slow. It also looks pretty
archane (at least, to my eyes). *We* have access to many different C
compilers: including *several* shareware versions! And every other
language you could care to name.

But in every other way, the Psion machines are wonderful. Really.

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bren@cs.monash.edu.au                                   Brendan Macmillan
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There was someone on the list who was working on a backlighting project,
I don't remember his name :( I was just curious if any progess had been
made on the project?

73 de KF4KGQ
Jeff Johns
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I use my x2 5MB 200LX (8MB ATA) to
1) track patient information when I am in the hospital (currently doing
palliative care).  I made a custom GDB with the fields I need.
2) Check dosage, side effects, indications, contraindications on
medications using software by ComputerBooks.
3) Study electrocardiograms using ECGVu, a shareware program.
4) Calculate caloric and electrolyte balance for total parenteral (IV)
nutrition of patients (using 1-2-3)

This is 'special' on top of the obvious PIM/APPT functions.
Visit http://walden.mo.net/~jj/medhp200.htm
for an excellent review of the medical uses of the 200lx.

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Message-ID: <19971025065539782.AAA131@208.211.64.158>

On 1997-10-23 jay@summet.com said to dfrick@mail.snip.net
 ja>Has anybody used the IBM Home & Away 14.4kbps modem and Ethernet
 ja>adapter with a 200lx? Can the AA's power that particular card? Does
 ja>it last as long, longer, or less then other 14.4kbps modems?
 ja>Thanks,
 ja>Jay W. Summet

Jay, I got one of those as my fisrt modem for the 200LX.
It didn't work. It is PCMCIA 2.01 compliant, which may be the
problem, at that time I was unaware of the possibility of
it drawing too much power, which may also be the problem.
Either way, didn't work.
dfrick@nospam.mail.snip.net //remove nospam to reply

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Did you know that ...

During the heat of the space race in the 1960's, the U.S. National
Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) decided it needed a ballpoint
pen to write in the zero gravity confines of its space capsules.
After considerable research and development, the "Astronaut Pen" was
developed at a cost of US$1 million.  The pen worked and also enjoyed
some modest success as a novelty item back here on earth (advertised in
TV Media for US$79.99?).

The Soviet Union, faced with the same problem, used a pencil.


Sometimes, high tech is not necessarily the solution to everything.


Maybe we do not need a "pocket-size" super-charged subnotebook/palmtop
running Windows CE v5.0 and Pocket Office 99 Professional?
Or maybe we do ...

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On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:08:56 +0200, Andreas wrote:

>All parts are freely available by ftp from any SimTel mirror. There are
>README files included that describe how to make it work. Providing my
>setup does not make too much sense because it is highly tailored to
>*my* needs (printer, fonts I use / don't use, etc.) It would be useless
>to most people I assume. Going through the pretty hard installation
>process creates for you what *you* need. It is some work, but I don't
>think it could be replaced. As soon as you needed an additional font,
>for example, you would be helpless - unless you installed it yourself
>and know what you have where.

After reading the previous articles about LaTex, I decided to go look
and see what was out there. In my local Simtel mirror site I found a
directory full of Tex stuff, and grabbed a few likely looking files.
Although I didn't find a *good* readme, there was sufficient
information to get the thing working.

The files I got to start with were sb40tex.zip and dview31.zip. I then
discovered that extra fonts were required to read the supplied
documentation files. I returned and collected a set of dvivga*.zip
files, which gave me lots of fonts to play with. I'm sure there's
still more stuff which would be useful, but all in all I found the
exercise relatively painless considering I didn't really know what I
was trying to achieve!

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Sentot@Bigfoot wrote:

> During the heat of the space race in the 1960's, the U.S. National
> Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) decided it needed a ballpoint
> pen to write in the zero gravity confines of its space capsules.
> After considerable research and development, the "Astronaut Pen" was
> developed at a cost of US$1 million.  The pen worked and also enjoyed
> some modest success as a novelty item back here on earth (advertised in
> TV Media for US$79.99?).


The Fisher Space Pen factory here in Boulder City, Nevada, makes these.  They
make specialty pens with business logos, generic pens, etc.  They have models
ranging from $5.00 on up to $350.  The plus side is, even though most people
don't need a pen that will work in space, you can write upside down, under
water, or on greasy paper.  Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is, the
technology is still useful... maybe not exactly the purpose it was designed
for, but there are always other uses that crop up that nobody suspected.  A
pencil won't always do the job... just try writing underwater.  :)
I'm sure that we might not necessarily NEED a 260LX that could run any modern
operating system, have 64MB ram, 512MB flash cards, last 12 weeks on a pair
of AA's, etc.  But if it was developed, I'm sure most of us would gladly
trade in our "pencils" for a "pen."  Unfortunately, there is no 260LX factory
around here.  :)

--
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I can't seem to get myself unsuscribed no matter how may times I post this
notice = HELP!!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: David Sargeant <davidsa@ACCESSNV.COM>
To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Date: Saturday, October 25, 1997 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: High Tech?


>Sentot@Bigfoot wrote:
>
>> During the heat of the space race in the 1960's, the U.S. National
>> Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) decided it needed a ballpoint
>> pen to write in the zero gravity confines of its space capsules.
>> After considerable research and development, the "Astronaut Pen" was
>> developed at a cost of US$1 million.  The pen worked and also enjoyed
>> some modest success as a novelty item back here on earth (advertised in
>> TV Media for US$79.99?).
>
>
>The Fisher Space Pen factory here in Boulder City, Nevada, makes these.
They
>make specialty pens with business logos, generic pens, etc.  They have
models
>ranging from $5.00 on up to $350.  The plus side is, even though most
people
>don't need a pen that will work in space, you can write upside down, under
>water, or on greasy paper.  Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is, the
>technology is still useful... maybe not exactly the purpose it was designed
>for, but there are always other uses that crop up that nobody suspected.  A
>pencil won't always do the job... just try writing underwater.  :)
>I'm sure that we might not necessarily NEED a 260LX that could run any
modern
>operating system, have 64MB ram, 512MB flash cards, last 12 weeks on a pair
>of AA's, etc.  But if it was developed, I'm sure most of us would gladly
>trade in our "pencils" for a "pen."  Unfortunately, there is no 260LX
factory
>around here.  :)
>
>--
>Visit the HP200LX site at http://coyote.accessnv.com/davidsa/hp
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My point exactly, and well said!

Why add to the complexity of the 200LX?  It's currently a very functional and efficient full
function PC.

Instead, focus energies on improving the form factor (size/weight/display/keyboard/power
consumption/accessories).

BTW, I was reading the RAM/speed upgrade flyer included in the current Palmtop Paper.  In this
flyer they stated that the 200LX is the last product designed by "the people who invented the
calculator."  Does this mean that the group who designed the 95->200LX computers no longer exists?


--- On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 14:01:35 +0700  "Sentot@Bigfoot" <sentot@BIGFOOT.COM> wrote:

>Sometimes, high tech is not necessarily the solution to everything.

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           10/25/97 9:40:20 AM EDT
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Darren Frick wrote:
>
> Message-ID: <19971025065539782.AAA131@208.211.64.158>
>
> On 1997-10-23 jay@summet.com said to dfrick@mail.snip.net
>  ja>Has anybody used the IBM Home & Away 14.4kbps modem and Ethernet
>  ja>adapter with a 200lx? Can the AA's power that particular card? Does
>  ja>it last as long, longer, or less then other 14.4kbps modems?
>  ja>Thanks,
>  ja>Jay W. Summet
>
>
Hi Jay,
    I can confirm that the IBM "Home and Away" card does not
work in the HP200. On my machine, inserting the H&A card
results in the HP200 turning itself off and doing a cold start
next time it is turned on.  (The H&A card isn't a bad card
for use in a laptop with Win95, it does take a bit of fiddling
to get it working properly though. You can probably get
a super deal on one because of the bad press) .

-Bryan

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Has anyone ever used Intellilink for transferring data to and from Day-Timer
software on the palmtop 200LX.  I would be interested to know how the
software performs.  Thanks

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Can anyone tell me whether there is any Chinese program for HP 200LX and
where to locate them.

Thanks,

Raymond

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Does anyone know how to get a 200LX to execute a small sound file when the daily greeting comes on?

Thanks.
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           10/25/97 1:33:52 PM EDT
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> Also, I was wondering if the firmware of the 200LX can be remade,=
 so
> that some MUST HAVE apps like ABC/LX, WWW/LX, Post/LX and other
> things are INBUILT,
>
> Other software to adjust
>
> DataComm : {Commo}
> DOS : FreeDOS v7 with inbuilt Stacker
> cc:Mail : Post/LX
>
> And finally make the entire thing with Buddy/Lite or something......

This is a nice selection of apps.  But - even assuming that physical
replacement of the 200LX ROM is practical, there are a few problems.=

>With the possible exception of FreeDOS, all this software is either
>commercial or shareware. It would need to be licensed from the owners.=
There can be "lite" versions of them, or maybe specially compiled for each FLASH
ROM by Mack (or anyone else who have the rights to make the ROMs)


>Also, one reason this software is so good is that it is periodically
>upgraded.  ROM-ing it will defeat future updates.
I was looking into Flash ROM systems. That way, updates can be pumped in with
minimal effort. What do you think?
... Speed kills!  (Microsoft's Windows publicity slogan)

PGP Public Key Fingerprint = E3 90 4F AB 37 A0 33 F4  56 F1 91 36 9A C9 A2 39

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On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:13:19 -0400, David Sargeant wrote:

>Well, folks, it's been fun, but my internet account will be running out
>soon, and I've been having lots of problems lately, so I'm not all that
>inclined to renew.  So, I'm going to have to bid this list farewell.

Take care David, and come back soon.

--=20
Neil Tungate.
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> If you are going to format the file on your desktop later, why
> bother with Word on the HP200LX?


If you are going to use Word for Windows on a desktop, why not use the
built-in memo function and save it as a non-ascii (formatted) file.

You can then use DOCRTF.EXE (I think found on SUPER) to convert the file
to Rich Text Format.  WinWord will import the file with all of your
bolding and underlines, page breaks, etc. intact.  DOCRTF also works the
other way around.

Brian

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Date:         Sat, 25 Oct 1997 23:59:18 +0100
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      Hello ,


      I'm looking for a small pocket MODEM like WORLDPORT or smaler
      for use with my HP100LX..

      (NEW or USED)

       Anyone who has one they want to sell, please E-Mail me.





EA3BKZ
Salvador Caballe Micola
Terrassa, Barcelona , SPAIN
salvador@caballe.com
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Barry COLLINS wrote:
>
> > As soon as we get some decent power technology...how about a nuclear
> > battery?  Some kind of decaying radioactive element producing heat
> > could power a battery...might not be able to cram that kind of thing
> > into a AA package, though.
>
From what I have heard, that technology is already out there:




The following information was provided anonymously in the desire to
offer ideas for off-grid
power production.

An engineer claims to have built a nuclear battery using two solar cells
and one business card cut
to fit the diameter of the solar cells.

An old watch with glow-in-the-dark numerals (from radioactive paint -
radium chloride) was
bought at a garage sale. The paint was scraped off and dissolved into a
fluid to make a small
amount of liquid paint.

The cut business card was coated with the radium chloride several times
and allowed to dry.

This 'doped' business card was sandwiched between the two solar cells
with the photo sensitive
side facing towards the card and the whole thing placed inside a lead
box (for protection from
radioactivity) with the solar cell wires sticking out.

He reports that a 25 Watt bulb from the taillight of an automobile was
lit to full brilliance for 1.5
years.

Note : Tesla wrote that he believed light, particularly from the sun,
included highly charged
particles, which could be captured, leaving the energy to be accumulated
and used for practical
purposes.

This came from http://www.keelynet.com/energy/atombatt.htm

Anyone got any radium watches they want to sell?

        Bob Aldrich
        Los Angeles

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On 10/25/97 Michael Stocker wrote:
>Does anyone know how to get a 200LX to execute a small sound file when the
daily greeting comes on?
>
>Thanks.

I remember downloading a prog like that called PAT, but of course not where
I got it. It could be compuserve. If you can't find it, I could zip it up
and mail it.

Bill Buzan

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> ...The Soviet Union, faced with the same problem, used a pencil.

I really like this story!

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> >All parts are freely available by ftp from any SimTel mirror. There are
>
> After reading the previous articles about LaTex, I decided to go look
> and see what was out there. In my local Simtel mirror site I found a
> directory full of Tex stuff, and grabbed a few likely looking files.
> Although I didn't find a *good* readme, there was sufficient
> information to get the thing working.
Good on you! I think I've got the Tex part working, too; but I need LaTeX.

Andreas mentioned a file, but I couldn't find it at SimTel ... where oh
where can I find it?


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> : > Well, maybe Wince is a fad... at least I hope so.
> : Here's my bet: WinCE will die, and be abandoned by Microsoft.

> Hope you're right . . . and it's not at all unlikely.  From what I've heard,
> Microsoft is in a great position to dump '95 into the Recycle Bin. They
> really really hate that OS, and that's why they're pushing NT so hard.
Hmmmm I've heard that's their long term strategy; but they've
always had great difficulty in getting people to switch. And, alarmingly,
I now recall that WinCE is actually a subset of NT...! If it's a
sufficiently large subset, you could eventually run little NT apps on it,
which would connect WinCE to the mainstream. An ambitious strategy!

However, the biggest problem with NT is that it is so resource hungry:
even on very expensive desktops ... so there seems no chance that
a cut-down WinCE version could run any real apps...

I would like linux on a palmtop. It would run on a 386 version of the
hp200lx... Such a machine would also open up lots more DOS software! And
surely a low-power version of the 386 is available by now? We just chuck
in heaps of RAM, use the existing PIM software, and add the memory management
stuff. I'm sure it would fit in the same shell.

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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 01:12:41 +0000
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On 1997-10-25 sentot@BIGFOOT.COM said to lloo@worldnet.att.net
   >After considerable research and development, the
   >"Astronaut Pen" was developed at a cost of US$1 million.

   >The Soviet Union, faced with the same problem, used a pencil.
   >Sometimes, high tech is not necessarily the solution to everything.

I think we're going thru an identity crisis of sorts!

In the last 2 days, we've gone from Jedi Knights with our light sabers to
Cosmonauts with pencils <g>.

- Longden

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Dear Sirs,

Please remove me from your mailing list.

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     Hello!

     does any one know if i can put a new rom in side the hp200 (with more
     dos programs ) or other bottable operating system?


     Thanks Yehuda.

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>I now recall that WinCE is actually a subset of NT...! =


Yes, both are build on top of microkernels to make them more portable.
If we could get them to make a DOS ROM to put on top of the microkernel
instead of the CE, all our problems would be over. =


>I would like linux on a palmtop.

You could consider running Minix. There should still be an 8086 version.

Jorgen
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> ...The Soviet Union, faced with the same problem, used a pencil.

However, when a broken pencil point floated inside one of the radio =
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On   Sat, 25 Oct 1997 11:37:37 -0400
    Andre Gravel <agravel@IFU.NET> wrote:

>Subject: Intellilink

>Has anyone ever used Intellilink for transferring data to and from Day-Timer
>software on the palmtop 200LX.  I would be interested to know how the
>software performs.  Thanks
>

I was asking for comments on this subject yesterday. I have bought and paid
for Intellisync from Puma Technology. In my hands it does not work.

Their technical help blame the 200LX for corrupting its own PIM data, yet
my data works flawlessly in the 200LX.
They claim switching the 200LX on/off with apps running causes this
corruption. Any comments on this from you all?

Bye


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>Back in the mid-80ies (when the 8086 were young and beautiful) there
>were some multitasking shells around. Cannot remember the names.

Why don't you try out Geoworks Ensemble (or NewDeal Office, the new name)?

Andreas

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To: Tony Jacobs INTERNET:tony-j@ZEN.CO.UK

  >>Puma tech help have helped but they insist I must have
corruption of my files on the 200, which they say is caused by
leaving apps open when switching on or off. To me this has been
one of the beauties of the HP Handhelds.<<

The HP200LX is designed to allow turning on and off without
damaging files.  If you have to reboot with files open, this
can cause problems, so can letting the batteries get too low. =

But just turning it off shouldn't.

One way to help eliminate corruption of your Appt files is this.
 First, copy the file and work on a copy while original stays
safe.  Now open Appt and do Menu File New and give this new,
empty file a name.  Now, with this new file in memory, do Menu
File Merge and select the copy of your regular Appt file. =

Often, moving data into a new, uncorrupted file can "clean
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Raymond Li wrote:

> Can anyone tell me whether there is any Chinese program for HP 200LX and
> where to locate them.

Hello Raymond, (ni hao)

I study Chinese, I use HP 200 LX for following:

1. Chinese-English dictionary
(The dictrionary is based on the built-in database and using
the ipex software I can display PCX images of the chinese
characters)

2. I use the old version of the STAR Chinese Editor.
It works very fine on HP 200.

That is all that I know.

JS

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Hi all,

I want to sell Transcard Parallel PCMCIA.
Enables parallel interface on HP200 and notebooks

New is 145 USD. I suggest 100 USD.

mailto:mail@port-home.com

Sincerely

JS
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On 1997-10-23 jay@summet.com said to explorer@datanet.ab.ca
   >Has anybody used the IBM Home & Away 14.4kbps modem and Ethernet
   >adapter with a 200lx? Can the AA's power that particular card? Does
   >it last as long, longer, or less then other 14.4kbps modems?
   >Thanks,
   >Jay W. Summet
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I couldn't even get the modem to work on my 200lx...

FWIW I'm now using a Zoom 14.4 with cel option... I've not tried the cell
option but the rest of the modem works dandy!!!


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For those interested... Mitsubishi has just announced an new mini notebook PC that was developed in
conjunction with HP.  This is a superthin, .7-inch notebook with 12.1-inch display that weighs 3.1
pounds and will be available with a 200-MHz or 233-MHz Tillamook processor. The notebook will be
sold in the U.S. by HP under the OmniBook name, while Mitsubishi will sell it as the Pediom in
Japan.

Once full function Pentium PC's weight less than 2 lbs, will the WinCE market collapse?
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Thought we diehards for the 200lx would be please to know and to prove a
point we had been making! These were posted in the WinCE mailing list

>>
With all the talk of creating a new machine, etc. I thought this might be
of interest. A UK company is developing a DOS emulator for WinCE!  The have
already creating an INFOCOM text adventure emulator and expect to release
their DOS emulator in November.  The URL to their site is below.

URL: http://www.pyram-id.demon.co.uk/

>>
I am developing a DOS emulator. The Processor, Hardware and BIOS
emulation is already finished. I'm working on the screen handling at the
moment. It will be released within the next 4 weeks...

Check my website for more details:

www.pyram-id.demon.co.uk

I will be putting up some screen shots in the next week or so...

Cya

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Hey group-

Did you see the piece on the evening news last week about the US
Justice Department's latest investigation of MonopolySoft's "We will
make you an offer you cannot refuse" OS licensing agreements?

I particularly enjoyed the MS spokesborg's response - "We will have=
 to
educate the Justice Dept."  Sheesh - even John Gotti didn't have the
chutzpah to come up with a line like that!

---------

More from the "resistance is futile" wince-borgs: They're now claiming
comp.sys.palmtops is a "CE newsgroup".  To add insult to injury one=
 of
the borg actually quotes Capt. Jean-Luc Picard.

PR
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Hi, as this is the only group I am subscribed to, it is not
immediately apparant who else to ask for help. Hence you all.

I have just "broken" my son's Zenith MasterSport 386SLe 386 notebook's
power supply. This is a switched mode unit which has inadvertently had
a paper staple short across a couple of components. Needless to say,
the "bang" was LOUD and many surface mounted components within the PSU
have "blended" into the atmosphere. That's the end of that PSU,
anyway, does any of you HP users happen to have a redundant Zenith
PSU.... part number 150-557 "spare".
The specs are fairly specific... I/P 100-125 / 200-240V AC
O/P 22VDC 1.27A.=20

I'm sorry if any of you consider this an abuse of the group
priviledges, however, this is the only group to which I am presently
in communication....

If anyone can help, then an email rather than a list response would
obviously be more appropriate.

Here's hoping anyway, or rather my son is ....hi

Malcolm Viney
woodpeck@netcomuk.co.uk

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Hi Neil (and others),

Thanks for your comment, posted on Thursday, 23 October 1997:

> A suggestion: users of some lesser known operating systems and
programming languages promote their use by the addition of a simple
slogan in their sigs.  eg Team OS/2 or Team Ada.  We could start to
use Team LX200 in our sigs.

I was not aware of  this practice but it sounds like a good idea and
I've already added it manually to my signature, as it's not always
appropriate to have it in an automatic signature.  I have noticed some
messages using "HP" at the beginning of a line but that tends to
interrupt the flow of text.

I am still hoping for a wider response to the idea of a concerted
effort to further the cause of the 200LX etc.  It's the old idea of
united we conquer but divided we fall.

It is also beginning to sound as if the Palmtop Paper needs more
positive support.  Once it has gone we shall all bemoan the fact, but
the matter is in our own hands as readers.  Hopefully our local group
will be able to generate a contribution to that magazine.  Hal
Goldstein's Publisher's Message and User to User article in the
September/October edition were very well expressed.  Those who agree
should all write and say so.

Sincerely,

Barry Collins
<collib@atom.forensic.sa.gov.au>
Team LX200

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:02:19 +0100
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Hello list,


        I wonder if any of you know of any German-Spanish Dictionary
for the 200LX. I have one English-German from Langenscheidt
(AND Software, Rotterdam), but I couldn't find any reference
on the Web.

        If you know of any dictionary, your help would be very much
appreciated..



Thanks and greetings from Germany.


Jaime Blasco

jaime_blasco@hp.com

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On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:42:42 +0000, Barry COLLINS wrote:

>Thanks for your comment, posted on Thursday, 23 October 1997:

Actually that one fell into the trap of being sent to you alone, but
luckily you re-posted the relevant bit :-)  I'm not too sure that I
like the new setup for this list - replying means two edits in the
headers to the To: line and the From: line because of my anti-spam
address.

--=20
Neil Tungate.
Team 200LX
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> Neil Tungate.
> Team 200LX
> (From: address is anti-spam - use Reply-To: address)

Reply-To:     neil@skipper.demon.co.uk
From:         Neil Tungate <neil@SKIPPER.DEMON.CO.UK>

Neil, how come the From: address wouldn't work just as well as
the To: address?

Regards, Tony

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Subject:      Re: Zoom and DISPCTL

<snip>
Most of you probably know this, but I just discovered it and thought I would share it...
That is what DISPCTL is useful for.  I never saw any usage information in the 200LX documentation.
If you execute DISPCTL +C +K at the DOS prompt, it will cause
MENU+cursor key to move around a Zoomed screen...<snip>
-----
Could anyone explain exactly what DISPCTL is? It sounded interesting to learn about the key-strokes on a recent post. However, I was left wondering what it does. Scroll through a document in a zoomed mode? How does that differ from the built-in zoom? Does it come with the 200LX already?
Thanks,
Curious,
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Keep in mind that one way to support the Palmtop Paper is to help them with their cash flow problem and
subscribe or send in your renewal early, as they had requested.

--- On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:42:42 +0000  Barry COLLINS <collib@atom.forensic.sa.gov.au> wrote:

>It is also beginning to sound as if the Palmtop Paper needs more
>positive support.  Once it has gone we shall all bemoan the fact, but
>the matter is in our own hands as readers.  Hopefully our local group
>will be able to generate a contribution to that magazine.  Hal
>Goldstein's Publisher's Message and User to User article in the
>September/October edition were very well expressed.  Those who agree
>should all write and say so.

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           10/27/97 7:29:24 AM EST
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Does anyone have a URL on this?
===
Dave Hart (hartd@poboxes.com)
Beavercreek (Dayton), OH USA
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - G. Marx




---Automatic digest processor <LISTSERV@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> wrote:

>
> For those interested... Mitsubishi has just announced an new mini notebook
PC that was developed in
> conjunction with HP.  This is a superthin, .7-inch notebook with 12.1-inch
display that weighs 3.1
> pounds and will be available with a 200-MHz or 233-MHz Tillamook processor.
The notebook will be
> sold in the U.S. by HP under the OmniBook name, while Mitsubishi will sell
it as the Pediom in
> Japan.
>
> Once full function Pentium PC's weight less than 2 lbs, will the WinCE
market collapse?
> ______________________________________________
>
>   "Michael Stocker" <mdstockr@neo.lrun.com>
>            10/26/97 11:14:23 AM EST
> ______________________________________________
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I'll I have is the e-zine article:

http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,15658,00.html

--- On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 06:31:49 -0800  David Hart <hartd@ROCKETMAIL.COM> wrote:

>Does anyone have a URL on this?

-----------------End of Original Message-----------------

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:21:17 -0800
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If anyone has a 200LX for sale, or a lead on where to get one for around
$200, let me know.

Thanks,
.M

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From:         "Crundall, Martin - TPMHC" <mcrundall@PACENT.COM>
Subject:      MS Bashing (Helmut's of 10/23):

   When I wuz a littler kid, I was a pulp sci-fi nut.  Remember all
those great books like the Lensmen series, Space Cadet, etc.?  An
interesting irony was pointed out to me recently by my buddy Jim.
Typically, those old sci-fi writers were the dreamers.  They set the
stage for the future and set the engineers in motion on a lot of stuff.
But they missed the boat, for the most part, on personal computers!
Them "astrogators" reached for their pocket communicators when they
needed to make a call, but they reached for their SLIDERULE when they
needed to make a course correction!
   It was a geek with a cowlick that had the total PC market vision, and
you can affort the computing equipment you have today because of that
vision.  I guess, if you want something else, you can always create it,
or have it created.  Sun and others offer alternatives ...
   My 2cents worth ...
   Martin

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From:         Carl Merkle <73564.2461@COMPUSERVE.COM>
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              editor
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<<You can then use DOCRTF.EXE (I think found on SUPER) to convert the fil=
e
to Rich Text Format.  WinWord will import the file with all of your
bolding and underlines, page breaks, etc. intact.  DOCRTF also works the
other way around.>>

This is essentially the same feature that the WinCE machines provide, sin=
ce
Pocket Word uses RTF format for it's files, not the native Word format. O=
f
course the synchronization is smoother and more automatic with the WinCE
machines than using DOCRTF with the 200LX.

     Best Regards,

     Carl Merkle
     Shier Systems & Software, Inc.
     http://www.shier.com
     1-888-371-9391 in US or 1-805-371-9391
     1-714-559-1142 direct

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:17:52 -0500
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From:         "Mcallaster, Douglas L., MAJ, DAPE" <MCALLDL@HQDA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      used HP LX200 2/4MB

i'm looking to buy a used HP LX200
either 2MB or 4MB with manuals
in very good condition

will match price offered by palmtop paper
respond to me, not to list
thx, doug


maj doug mcallaster
mcalldl@hqda.army.mil
dsn 227-7619
cml 703-697-7619

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Dear Sir/Madam

Could you please unsubscribe me from your mailing list?

Your confirmation by return will highly be appreciated.

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>Could anyone explain exactly what DISPCTL is? It sounded interesting to
>learn about the key-strokes on a recent post.

What it does is what was written in the post. When you use FN-ZOOM in a DOS
program, the cursor can disappear off the screen. USing DISPCTL (I think)
enables better cursor tracking, or disables it. It is on the D: drive on
your palmtop:

d:\bin\disptcl.com

Play to your hearts content.


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Subject:      linux on 200lx = ELKS was: Psion was: Flash-card
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        For all the people who keep mentioning linux on the palmtop, I
thought I'd let you know that the project for this is underway.  It is
called ELKS.

        http://linuxorg.bridgend.cymru.net/ELKS-Home/

        -----Original Message-----
        From:   Jorgen Dybdahl SMTP:JDybdahl@COMPUSERVE.COM
        Sent:   Sunday, October 26, 1997 3:31 AM
        Subject:        Re: Psion was: Flash-card

        >I would like linux on a palmtop.

        You could consider running Minix. There should still be an 8086
version.

        Jorgen


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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:02:12 -0700
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Subject:      Re: HP2*0LX Campaign

     Hi!
     Sorry it took so long. But have you heard about our Blizzard we had?
     We it was a real good one. But every one in this family is OK.
     Back to OAG. We get it from our company H-P, they have a company wide
     subscription. It gets updated every six weeks and we can use LapLink
     to load it right on the flash card.
     If you want more info contact:
     S. Sherrill
     Circulation Services Manager
     OAG
     2000 Clearwater Drive
     Oak Brook, IL, 60523
     Phone: 1-800-323-3537
     Fax: 1-630-574-6667

     Hope that helps. There are two versions one for Windows and one for
     DOS. The DOS version runs very good on the HP200LX factory edition.

     Helmut in Colorado


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Author:  Non-HP-KenAMoore (KenAMoore@OmniTraining.com) at HP-ColSprings,shargw1
Date:    10/23/97 11:06 AM


Helmut,
Can you tell us more about OAG Flight Disk for DOS?

Thanks,
Ken Moore

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"Crundall, Martin - TPMHC" <mcrundall@PACENT.COM> wrote:

>    It was a geek with a cowlick that had the total PC market vision,=
 and
> you can affort the computing equipment you have today because of that
> vision.

Hmmm... A little revisionist history here.  It was a coupla different
geeks in a different garage who were responsible for the PC market.=

Built a machine named for a fruit...  8-)

<rant>
You-know-who's "vision" was really a matter of good timing, skillful
marketing, and killer instinct.  If there's any connection between a
certain software giant and affordable computers, it's only that
aggressive marketing built up sales to where they are today.
Marketing skill, while admirable, isn't vision.

I seem to recall a book called "Management Secrets of Attila The Hun".
Maybe there should be a new one called "Marketing Strategy of the Borg"
Subtitled "Assimilate or be destroyed. Resistance is futile".
</rant>

PR
---------


Peniel Romanelli   peniel@web2000.net   d021785c@dc.seflin.org
    *******  HP100LX  ----  Post/LX  ----  WWW/LX  *******
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In writing I have one function which is for me necessary, which is missing
in most memo programs and pims.  I use footnotes.  I do not like
endnotes, but I can live with them.  MS word handles notes well.  So I
write on my 200lx with word 5.0.  If one wants to preserve footnotes
in a finished product, in my experience he or she is advised to skip
dtp programs and format the book in word.  Given the wysier-wyg features
of winword, one has an excuse for using windows.

Now if someone would advise me of a way to do footnotes in a simpler
program, maybe memo or a PAL application...

Steve Staloff

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On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:04:25 GMT, you wrote:

>Neil, how come the From: address wouldn't work just as well as
>the To: address?

It does because I have to edit it before sending to this list. The bit
in the .sig  is permanent, and I can only alter it by changing the sig
file within Agent. I prefer to leave the sig file alone because of the
few posts I make here.

--=20
Neil Tungate.
Team 200LX
(From: address is anti-spam - use Reply-To: address)

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does anybody know if you can make post-lx delete messages based on
words in them.
For example i have a filter set up to move messages from this list into
hplx folder.   but i get messages that say XXX or Adults Only or
increase your income...etc.  in the message itself.
can i filter based on words in the message and not just in the header.

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>footnotes

I am a great fan of Word but would have thought it was too slow for the L=
X.

The author of the VDE editor (Shareware) writes in the manual (from 1990)=

that he has "a footnote/endnote facility for WordStar files that could
easily be adapted for use with VDE. Please write if you are interested."

It also has headers, footers etc.

I don't use it myself, but like it very much: small (52K), nice, fast and=

flexible.

Up to 1988 I used PC-Write (shareware). Very good at that time: fast and
easy to configure. However I seem to remember that the size increased lat=
er
on.

And of course if you want the perfect result: LaTeX. However, learning it=

takes time and effort.

Jorgen
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Richard Gravel wrote:

> Wally,
>
> I presume that you intend to replace the D-connector (PC side) of the HP
> cable with the DIN connector, and then connect that to the Newton keyboard.
>  Is there any reason why you couldn't open the keyboard, desolder the
> existing cable and solder in the HP cable (minus the D connector) ?

None whatsoever (in fact, this is what Shier does, for about $40) but doing it
this other way means a mistake doesn't fry an $80 keyboard (not too likely anyway)
and also lets me try something I've always wanted to check out: whether the Newton
pocket fax/modem will work with the LX. (I have 14.4 megahertz xjack that does,
and a 33.6 Apex which should, but more options are better, IMO).
wally

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Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:34:58 -0700
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     Hi!
     Right on. DR DOS was 100X better. PC DOS 7.0 still is then the other
     brand. If Apple would have opened up there proprietary rights to the
     Mac .... I don't know what would have happen in Redmond, WH.

     Helmut in Colorado


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Date:    10/27/97 3:05 PM


"Crundall, Martin - TPMHC" <mcrundall@PACENT.COM> wrote:

>    It was a geek with a cowlick that had the total PC market vision, and
> you can affort the computing equipment you have today because of that
> vision.

Hmmm... A little revisionist history here.  It was a coupla different
geeks in a different garage who were responsible for the PC market.
Built a machine named for a fruit...  8-)

<rant>
You-know-who's "vision" was really a matter of good timing, skillful
marketing, and killer instinct.  If there's any connection between a
certain software giant and affordable computers, it's only that
aggressive marketing built up sales to where they are today.
Marketing skill, while admirable, isn't vision.

I seem to recall a book called "Management Secrets of Attila The Hun".
Maybe there should be a new one called "Marketing Strategy of the Borg"
Subtitled "Assimilate or be destroyed. Resistance is futile".
</rant>

PR
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Andreas,

When I try to connect to my news server I get the following:

connecting to TCP://news.netarrant.net:119
resolving URL:  TCP://news.netarrant.net:119
connecting to host.....

It will go no further than that.  I have to abort the news reader.

I would appreciate any help.

Jim

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> If one wants to preserve footnotes in a finished product, in my
> experience he or she is advised to skip dtp programs and format the
> book in word.  Given the wysier-wyg features of winword, one has =
an
> excuse for using windows.

Not an excuse Steve but a valid reason! And its only one of many :-)

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On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:05:26 -0500, Peniel Romanelli
<peniel@WEB2000.NET> wrote:

>"Crundall, Martin - TPMHC" <mcrundall@PACENT.COM> wrote:
>
>>    It was a geek with a cowlick that had the total PC market vision, =
and
>> you can affort the computing equipment you have today because of that
>> vision.
>
>Hmmm... A little revisionist history here.  It was a coupla different
>geeks in a different garage who were responsible for the PC market.
>Built a machine named for a fruit...  8-)
>

Well, you are right that the Steves were probably most responsible for
the personal computer market, but they weren't the first to build them
either. They were skillful enough to build a machine that was
relatively stable (there were others that were being redesigned in
incompatible ways every few months), smart enough to make it open and
easily expandable so that others could provide what they couldn't, and
fortunate enough that a little program called VisiCalc was written
first for it.

Dave Larsen

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Rob Ornee wrote:

This is very sad.
Why the heck would you go and buy yourself a piece of leading
edge technology like WinCE only to start taking it back to the dark
ages?!?!?
============================================

Few people seem to understand that for some purposes, DOS
is simply superior to Windows, even Windows NT 4.0.

My coworkers were pleasantly surprised when they started
using my *DOS* batch files to do work that was very
tedious for them using Windows.  Using windows they had to

          Browse for the proper subdirectory.
          Hunt for specific files.
          Mark them
          Find the target directory.
          Copy the files by manually dragging or pasting them to the new
location.
          Go into the properties of these files and take off the read-only
attribute.

Using DOS all they had to do was double-click on a batch file, which took
care of
everything consistently, every time without the possibility of a manual
copying error.

I also created an interactive DOS batch menu system that steps
developers through a complicated process for creating a PowerBuilder
Windows executable.  So DOS can help you create create Windows
programs!

Using DOS I have created small utility programs that help make
our software developer's life easier.  Doing that in Windows would be
too cumbersome and too time consuming.  The Windows programs
are not so portable -- they require special registery entries, DLLs and
whatnot!  The DOS programs are simply exe files.  That's it.  They
run and run consistently without crashing the system.  They don't
require a complicated installation program.




Visit http://www.ilovemusic.com  to explore music and dance!
Ear Trainer-software to improve your ear (HP 200LX or desktop PCs)
SHE--shareware Hypertext editor for HP 200 LX call or write for more info.
MASTERY--shareware program to help you master any subject!
Phil Seyer (415) 665-8933, ext. 333

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Hi

I am looking for information about programming the HP 95LX.

I have information about graphics and writting programs to run under the
system manager, but I am looking for LX specific function under DOS.

How can I set a alarm, put the 95 in sleep mode and get it to wake up again
when the alarm is triggerd? All in clean DOS, non of the built in apps
available.

Another thing: How can I get the current battery voltage under DOS, I've
seen a
lot of freeware software do just that, but where can I get example source
code or pointers about how to get this information?

Thank you
Daniel

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Hello,

Can s/o plz help me (show me) how to automate a back up using an alarm,
from a c: to a F: drive?  I can back up from the F: to the pc okay w/
transfile, but I want to make a complete back up, and then incremental
once a wk.

Thank you very Much!

Marta

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Hi everybody,

Does anybody know how to establish a PPP-connection to an (my) internet
provider with etherppp?

To login to my internet provider I have to do the following procedure
(command and answer):
   ppp /d script
   atdt<number><enter>         ->   CONNECT 9600/LAPM/V42BIS
   <enter>                     ->   user:
   <username><enter>           ->   password:
   <password><enter>
   ppp

How should the script files 'dial.ppp' and 'config.ppp' look like (I do not
have experience in writing such script files)?

Which packet works better on the HP - Minuet or Lynx?
Do I need mouse support?

Is the web browser of Minuet/Lynx better (faster) than Nettamer's?


A lot of questions - thanks for any help.

Regards from Austria
Dieter

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Hi
I've found clear picture of hinge crack.
There are also some documents on about
repairing it, but written in Japanese.

Anyway URL below is only a picture
 http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~nucleus/hplx/hp_crack.jpg




-Yuzuru Goto(yuzurugoto@post1.com)
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I have a 200LX and have installed the Connectivity Pack on my NT
Workstation,
but when I try to start e.g. Laplink Remote Access I get the following
message:

"The LLRA1 module was not found. Please insure that file is loaded
into memory before Windows is started"

As far as I can tell from the manual I would expect to get this error
if i didn't allow the installation to mess with my AUTOEXEC.BAT.
But I did, and AUTOEXEC.BAT now looks like this:

SET VXCLASSPATH=;;c:\VXTreme\client\applets
SET CLASSPATH=%VXCLASSPATH%;%CLASSPATH%
C:\CPACK200\LLRA1

I have a feeling that I need to do something special on an NT since
I didn't manage to quit Windows when installing the Connectivity Pack.
I just used the Command prompt window.

Any clues?

/Brge Haga
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I got a program called UPDATE.COM (1148 bytes) with PC-Outline. This
updates files that have changed using the file date and time. I have
used it for years with interlink between PC's and it seems (I am
probably tempting fate now!) bugfree.

Jorgen
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>As far as I can tell from the manual I would expect to get this error
>if i didn't allow the installation to mess with my AUTOEXEC.BAT.
>But I did, and AUTOEXEC.BAT now looks like this:

>SET VXCLASSPATH=;;c:\VXTreme\client\applets
>SET CLASSPATH=%VXCLASSPATH%;%CLASSPATH%
>C:\CPACK200\LLRA1

>I have a feeling that I need to do something special on an NT since
>I didn't manage to quit Windows when installing the Connectivity Pack.
>I just used the Command prompt window.

Hi,
I don't know that much about the connectivity pack, but I know somthing
about NT.
This is a piece on how dos configuration file are used by NT, Maybe it
helps.


C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT
Path and environment variables are added to the Windows NT environment at
system startup.

You could check this by looking in the control panel, system applet at the
enviroment tab.(the variables should showw up there). (alternative to the
autoexec.bat is adding the enviroment variables there).

C:\CONFIG.SYS
Not used by Windows NT.



AUTOEXEC.NT and CONFIG.NT in SystemRoot\SYSTEM32 (probably
c:\winnt\system32)

Used every time an MS-DOS based application is run with the _DEFAULT.PIF.
(Custom *.NT files can be created and used when starting an application
from another PIF.)
If you want to use this application in a dosbox you could try adding  these
settings to an autoexec.nt which is run every time you open a dosbox.

By the looks of your autoexec.bat you want to run llra1 You should do that
in the autoexec.NT

btw. If this llra1 executable does anything fancy to the hardware you won't
be able to run it anyway

hope it helps

grts
   Dieder

PS. I was foolish today I left my lx200 at home :-(

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If you check your 200LX manual, you will see that you can execute a DOS programs using ALARM.

What I have done is write a simple BAT file that:

 1. Takes existing archive files on drive A: (7, one for each day of the week), deletes the oldest
    and renames the existing ones so that BACKUP6.ZIP->BACKUP7.ZIP, BACKUP5.ZIP->BACKUP6.ZIP, ...,
    BACKUP1.ZIP->BACKUP2.ZIP.

 2. Runs PKZIP and compresses copies of all of my current data files into C:\BACKUP1.ZIP.

 3. Copies BACKUP1.ZIP into drive A:, this way I have an archive file on both my 200LX and ATA
    flash card.

I follow this up with weekly system backups onto my PC's hard drive using Transfile Win200.

--- On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:40:26 -0800  Lareya <pierce@ARACNET.COM> wrote:

>Can s/o plz help me (show me) how to automate a back up using an alarm,
>from a c: to a F: drive?  I can back up from the F: to the pc okay w/
>transfile, but I want to make a complete back up, and then incremental
>once a wk.

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  "Michael Stocker" <mdstockr@neo.lrun.com>
           10/28/97 6:43:39 AM EST
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Dieder wrote:
>
I agree with Dieder.
Also if the Program is a 16 bit windows program requiring a DOS TSR is
won't work.  You are better off trying a pure DOS program, but if it
tries to access the hardware directly, as Dieder said it won't work.
These are the benefits of a stable architecture.

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d
up reading my mail I use the filer and view each message. Works fine and =
is
free!

Phil Godden

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On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Lareya wrote:

> Can s/o plz help me (show me) how to automate a back up using an alarm,
> from a c: to a F: drive?  I can back up from the F: to the pc okay w/
> transfile, but I want to make a complete back up, and then incremental
> once a wk.

The dirty details of running a program at a set time using the Alarm is
documented in section 3-15 of the 200LX manual.

I (like several others) backup using the alarm by pkzip-ing my entire C
drive to a zip file on the card. Once a week, I hook the LX to my PC and
pkzip the entire card onto a file on the desktop. Not as efficient as
incrementals, but simplistic enough for even feeble minds like mine
(especially when I'm in panic mode <g>).

Email me if you need details. I know you'll get alot of responses and I
don't want to burden this list with too many specifics.

- Longden

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Hi group-

Thought VDE users might be interested in this. Found the VDE Home Page
last nite. Has the latest version (1.84) and a bunch of older ones,
plus some software for use with VDE.
        http://www.jrinkjet.com/vde/

Something else that might be of interest.  The VDE docs mention the=

"DOS Isn't Dead BBS" at (818) 843-3270

PR
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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:27:58 -0500
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You all might get a laugh out of a cartoon I saw a few days ago.

it's a guy working on his desktop. Glassy eyed, staring at the WinDoze
logo on the monitor - saying "Yes Master".

Probably a lot funnier if you saw it...

PR
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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:28:34 -0500
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Regarding this nonsense:

> This is very sad.
> Why the heck would you go and buy yourself a piece of leading
> edge technology like WinCE only to start taking it back to the dark
> ages?!?!?

What's REALLY sad is that some folks can't tell leading edge marketing
hype from technology...

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:02:41 +0100
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> connecting to TCP://news.netarrant.net:119
> resolving URL:  TCP://news.netarrant.net:119
> connecting to host.....
>
> It will go no further than that.  I have to abort the news reader.

It seems news.netarrant.net is not responding. Are you sure this is =
the
correct address of the news server? If yes, you might try to delete =
the
file WWW.CAC in the WWW/LX directory. Maybe they have changed their =
IP
address and WWW/LX tried to access the server under the wrong address
(from the cache WWW.CAC).

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The next S.P.A.M. is scheduled to be held on THURSDAY,
November 6, 1997. The scheduled meeting time is from 7pm to
9pm. We will meet in San Francisco at 1 California St., 8th
floor. If you need directions, please email me.

As always when we have meetings on California, PLEASE let me
know you  are coming (or think you are coming) so we can add
your name to the list. For security reasons, we cannot allow
walk-in traffic into the meeting.

Right now we have the following on the agenda. (We may not get
to them all. )

 + A demo of the Toshiba Libretto for Show&Tell
 + A demo of the Newton Keyboard as modified by Shier Systems
   and Software
 + A look at Pocket On Schedule A demo of Microsoft
 + Expedia Streets 98 and Pocket Streets 98

Please let me know what ideas you have for discussion and
agenda items. If you have items for "Show and Tell," please
bring them. Also bring any helpful or unique programs, tips, or
anything you think would be helpful to the rest of us.

And for those of you who will not be attending, please forward
any topics you would like covered or questions you would like
answered. You will be represented at the meeting.

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Date:         Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:07:26 -0600
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Hi.
I have enjoyed the many freeware programs made for the LX.  I would love
to reciprocate by making my own software, but, alas, I am not a
programmer.  However, I do like making icons, and I think I'm pretty good
at it.  I have one small collection of them (JPICONS.ZIP) on the SUPER
site.  I am currently working on another.  So far, I have icons for:
Space Invaders
Pac Man
Tiger Fox (hidden .EXM game on the 95LX, I believe)
Dieter Schoppitsch's new TextDraw program
Omega (cybertank design game)
Conjecture (Wheel of Fortune game)

Obviously, I've concentrated on games so far, but I'm willing to try
anything.  If you have any suggestions, please email them to me.  I can't
guarantee I'll be able to make everything, but like I said, I'll try.

Cheers.
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-> Something else that might be of interest.  The VDE docs mention the=
-> "DOS Isn't Dead BBS" at (818) 843-3270

I've also got tons of DOS files at this BBS, including a good sized
palmtops file library.

Jim

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> Tiger Fox (hidden .EXM game on the 95LX, I believe)
> Dieter Schoppitsch's new TextDraw program
> Omega (cybertank design game)
> Conjecture (Wheel of Fortune game)

Tiger Fox, damn I had forgotten completely about that one on the 95lx. Is
it or something
similar hidden in the 100/200 somewhere?

Thanks,

Dan
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>     Right on. DR DOS was 100X better. PC DOS 7.0 still is then the other
>     brand. If Apple would have opened up there proprietary rights to the
>     Mac .... I don't know what would have happen in Redmond, WH.

>     Helmut in Colorado

I vaguely recalled in 1990 I could work comfortably in a peer-to-peer
network environment using a very user-friendly interface with full color
graphics and sound on a 4MB Macintosh LC with 100MB hard disk.  Seven
years later, to do a similar thing we need a 16MB Pentium MMX PC with
1000MB hard disk, plus an Ethernet card!

Is it really impossible to have a leaner and meaner operating system than
Windows 95/NT?  I wonder.

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Date:         Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:32:47 +0100
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Brendan Macmillan wrote:

> I would like linux on a palmtop. It would run on a 386 version of the
> hp200lx... Such a machine would also open up lots more DOS software! And
And it would run very much more Linux softwar! Check out
http://www.linux.org.uk/ELKS-Home/index.html



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Bob Aldrich wrote:
>
> Barry COLLINS wrote:
> >

> An engineer claims to have built a nuclear battery using two solar cells
> and one business card cut
> to fit the diameter of the solar cells.

>
> This came from http://www.keelynet.com/energy/atombatt.htm
>
Do you believe this? One solar cell usually gives 0.5 Volt. Did he claim
to run a car bulb with two cells?

Ruediger

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At 04:20 AM 10/29/97 +0700, Sentot@Bigfoot wrote:
=A0=A0=20
=A0=A0 I vaguely recalled in 1990 I could work comfortably in a peer-to-peer
=A0=A0 network environment using a very user-friendly interface with full=
 color
=A0=A0 graphics and sound on a 4MB Macintosh LC with 100MB hard disk.=A0=
 Seven
=A0=A0 years later, to do a similar thing we need a 16MB Pentium MMX PC with
=A0=A0 1000MB hard disk, plus an Ethernet card!

Which only costs $500 (recent price quote in Houston for a cyrix 166mx
based system with all you mention except the $10 ethernet card).  I'm
confused, why is this a bad thing?  Wait, no, don't answer me, this mailing
list isn't the place.

The more interesting question is, why is it that in those same seven years,
handheld computers have not had similar price drops and performance
increases?  The obvious answer is that there's no market providing
economies of scale.

I've been reading this list for several months and have trouble resolving
some of the contradictions I see posted here.

For example,

1. HP should market the hp200lx more, because it's better than the wince
based products.  Why?

- runs old DOS software, so people don't have to pay anything for plenty of
software.  How is this a good thing for HP?  Why would I as a software
developer want to write anything for the hplx/dos series when for the most
part I'd be competing with free (or of dubious legality abandonware)
software?  Shouldn't HP encourage a platform that provides a profitable
market for software developers?  I've served my time as a dos programmer
and don't look back at it at all fondly.

- the hp200lx is faster than wince machines.  After a warranty-voiding
speed upgrade?  What am I supposed to do with that speed upgrade when my
palmtop breaks?

2. hp200lx owners should be campaigning for more recognition of the
hp200lx's virtues.  At the same time, we're collecting surveys of product
defects (e.g. hinge cracks) and blasting HP for discontinuing vital
services such as express exchange.  How can anyone in good conscience be
recommending hp200lxs knowing that they're prone to mechanical failure
(apparently for some people, in very short order), that HP doesn't
necessarily stand by the product, and that HP is phasing out vital services?

For what it's worth: I own an hp100lx and an hp200lx.  The hp200lx is my
third; both predecessors lost display lines after relatively minor drops.
Both were replaced with express exchange (out of warranty, ouch).  Each
time I've needed to replace a broken hp200 I've desperately wanted to
switch to some other platform, but could not justify walking away from the
accessories and software I'd already purchased.  When the current one
breaks (probably within the next year, given my experiences so far), I
won't be replacing it with an HP; I suspect my next palmtop will be a psion.

Back to irrelevance:
=A0=20
=A0=A0 Is it really impossible to have a leaner and meaner operating system=
 than
=A0=A0 Windows 95/NT?=A0 I wonder.

I have a win95-based router comfortably installed on an old 356M drive,
with 80M free.  I'm not sure what this has to do with palmtops, though,
except to say that I'm pretty happy I can take my flash card out of the hp
and plug it in to any win95 laptop and do a quick backup.

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I have set up a 3AM nightly appointment in my 200LX to archive all my data files into a ZIP file using a BAT
file.

Has been running for months without any real problems.  However, every once and a while (<5% of time) the
program is not executed as scheduled, it runs when I turn-on my LX in the morning (5:30AM).  This happens even
when all apps have been closed previously.

Does anyone have any insight into why this happens?

Thanks,
Michael
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Gardner Cohen wrote:
<snip>
> 1. HP should market the hp200lx more, because it's better than the wince
> based products.  Why?
>
> - runs old DOS software, so people don't have to pay anything for plenty of
> software.  How is this a good thing for HP?  Why would I as a software

As IBM found out with the PS2, users (buyers) like hardware that already has
software support.  WinCE is hyped as having the software base, but, so far, most
of it is still vaporware.

> developer want to write anything for the hplx/dos series when for the most
> part I'd be competing with free (or of dubious legality abandonware)
> software?  Shouldn't HP encourage a platform that provides a profitable
> market for software developers?  I've served my time as a dos programmer
> and don't look back at it at all fondly.

Ah...  Planned obsolence, eh?  Change for the sake of change is usually not a
good thing for most of the parties concerned.  Can't better dos software be
written?  Why is it necessary to force users to new software?  Sounds a lot like
Detroit some years back.

> - the hp200lx is faster than wince machines.  After a warranty-voiding
> speed upgrade?  What am I supposed to do with that speed upgrade when my
> palmtop breaks?

Where would we have been without after market speed upgrades on the original
PC?  Still back at 4.77 MHz?  If HP wants to grow the 2xxLX line, they could
EASILY enhance it with more speed/more powerful processor/more memory.

> 2. hp200lx owners should be campaigning for more recognition of the
> hp200lx's virtues.  At the same time, we're collecting surveys of product
> defects (e.g. hinge cracks) and blasting HP for discontinuing vital
> services such as express exchange.  How can anyone in good conscience be
> recommending hp200lxs knowing that they're prone to mechanical failure
> (apparently for some people, in very short order), that HP doesn't
> necessarily stand by the product, and that HP is phasing out vital services?

It's not a perfect machine, and I haven't heard anyone say that it was.  We
accept its faults - while wishing that they weren't there - because of its good
points.  The "mechanical failure" is a minor problem, as, due to its over-all
reliability, HP's attitude - ALL of which COULD be changed by HP.
>
> For what it's worth: I own an hp100lx and an hp200lx.  The hp200lx is my
> third; both predecessors lost display lines after relatively minor drops.

And a WinCE box/calculator/heck - your shaver <G> WON'T fail in similar
circumstances?

> Both were replaced with express exchange (out of warranty, ouch).  Each
> time I've needed to replace a broken hp200 I've desperately wanted to
> switch to some other platform, but could not justify walking away from the
> accessories and software I'd already purchased.  When the current one

Whattsa matter?  Doncha wanta keep them programmers working??? <G>

> breaks (probably within the next year, given my experiences so far), I
> won't be replacing it with an HP; I suspect my next palmtop will be a psion.

Ya better check.  I'll bet those folks are saying much the same thing.  I'm sure
they have their problems, as well - and without the HUGE software base of dos,
at that.
<snip>
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Well, I would actually agree with both Gardner and Lewis on this.
My next palmtop IS ALREADY a Psion Series5.  We do harm our own
platform's prospects by our complaints about it, we do have to
recognise that what's good 'business' doesn't ALWAYS match what a
current user base finds good.  It is future sales (not past ones)
that keep the product alive.  The Psion community, just like the
HPLX one, does quite rightly, complain long and loud about deffects,
design flaws and inadequacies in service.  This does harm the very
machine we have bought, but how else does improvment happen?

Actually by my experience the two companies are pretty neck and neck.
My HP200LX failed early on and was replaced without quibble but not
all that speedily (I was without it for about two awful weeks). The
replacement is still going strong and does everything it ever did and
more.  The Series 5 has just developed a fault, has been returned to
Psion, similarly without a quibble and I do hope that the
replacement will similarly last for ever.

So why did I change? Hard to articulate.  Part rational and
explainable and part emotional/irrational and inexplicable.  In not
particular order are some comments I would make.

The HP is relentlessly non-English.  The majority of support is
skewed to the US.  Other palmtop/laptop users in the UK have barely
heard of it.  Psion is from the UK, available widely in the UK,
extremely well known, and it feels nice to 'Buy British'.

The Series 5 is more of a pretty face, the HP is a true workhorse.
Psion software is a dream to use and does so much less than the HP's
(I mean the built in stuff mostly).  New software is arriving at a
phenomenal rate so I have no real doubts that all the applications I
can imagine will be catered for within a year, and it is quite a lot
of fun to feal that fronteir sense of new things to try out all the
time.

The Psion is wonderful to type on, the HP seems to make my finger
tips & nails sore very quickly.  The Psion is most unweildy to open
on the move and is hard to use standing up, it also feels rather
flimsy.

The HP screen is easier to read in poor light, the Psion has a superb
backlight so can be used when the HP cannot.

The HP feels jsut a little heavier (with included card), the Psion is
wider & taller but thinner so takes more pocket space.

The Psion looks modern & mean, the HP looks (& is) a real computer.

The Psion power block is a miracle of small light engineering, and so
is the cable so I actually do carry them with me.  The HP batteries
lasts much longer so I don't need the power block.

The HP PCMCIA cards are cheap & available in large sizes but the
Psion's Compact flash are so lightweight that it makes a noticable
difference and the Psion file sizes are so tight that 8Meg is huge.

The Psion synchronisation and drag & drop file exchange works
wonderfully - but only with Win95. The HP can operate totally alone
being able to do all its own conversions, compresions and
synchronisations - but what a hassle when you do want to connect.

I could go on for ever I guess.  Am I convinced that my new Psion is better
than my old HP?  No not really.  Am I glad I bought the Psion?  Yes
110%.  How will I resolve this?  I suspect I will keep using them
both until some really crunch situation changes my mind.

For what it's worth, the Psion lives in my handbag and the HP lives
in my briefcase - which is odd since the things that the HP are good
at are mobility oriented (handbag you'd expect) whilst the Psion is
good at the 'office' type things of typing and reading etc (briefcase
you'd expect).  So perhaps the emotional pull is stronger towards the
Psion whatever I list as funtions.  But hey, I don't HAVE to justify
myself - these are my toys!


> Gardner Cohen wrote:
> > breaks (probably within the next year, given my experiences so far), I
> > won't be replacing it with an HP; I suspect my next palmtop will be a psion.
To which  Lewis Osborn replied
> Ya better check.  I'll bet those folks are saying much the same thing.  I'm sure
> they have their problems, as well - and without the HUGE software base of dos,
> at that.

Wendy Robson
School of Engineering & IT
University of Humberside
WRobson@Humber.ac.uk

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I'm a new owner to an HP200LX 2M palmtop and have a few questions and comments.

I'm surprised at the MS bashing thread especially in regards to the bashing at
HP regarding this product.  I try to stay in touch with several newsgroups and
mailing lists and I've never encountered anything similar regarding other HP
computer systems (workstations/servers).

Back to the Palmtop.  After reading the HP 200LX FAQ and visiting numerous WWW
pages I have a few questions that I would like to receive input on.

First, a co-worker of mine has a US Robotics PalmPilot.  I've seen him sync his
PalmPilot with his PC and its very slick, easy and quick.  Is there similar
software/hardware for the 200LX to a PC (with '95 or NT) that makes sync'ing
data on the two systems just as easy?

Does anyone have any experience, comments, recommendations on PCMIA cards that
are both a modem AND contain flash RAM (I know there are at least two companies
that have cards like this and one is EXP)?

Thanks for the info,

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>Excel format files:  (of course I could make .csv or .txt format?)
>
>isocntry is the 3-character country code
>isocurr is the 3-char currency code.  The famous 'internet' 2-char codes are
>made by taking the first 2 characters of the CURRENCY code (bizarre isn't it!)

It took me long enough, but I got these Excel files converted to GDB format
and have just e'd them to Murray Barton. They should be on his database page
soon:

http://www.iinet.net.au/~muzza/hp_db.html

Mitch

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> So why did I change? Hard to articulate.  Part rational and
> explainable and part emotional...

> The Series 5 is more of a pretty face, the HP is a true workhorse.
> The Psion looks modern & mean, the HP looks (& is) a real computer.
> For what it's worth, the Psion lives in my handbag and the HP lives
> in my briefcase - which is odd ...

Might I suggest that in these days of *cool* mobile technology, the
"modern & mean" looking Psion draws more appreciative glances? While
the HPLX looks, well, like a technology from an alternative past,
and is better hidden in a briefcase. :)

> The HP batteries lasts much longer so I don't need the power block.
I thought the Psion had excellent battery life - but the HP is better?

--
bren@cs.monash.edu.au                                   Brendan Macmillan
"    People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for
merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy
against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.     "

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> It took me long enough, but I got these Excel files converted to GDB format
> and have just e'd them to Murray Barton. They should be on his database page
> soon:
>

The databases are on line at http://www.iinet.net.au/~muzza/hp_db.html

They have been there for a few days but I hadn't got around to posting.

BTW.  Any-one know how to do a date sort in Perl?

Regards
Murray
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Hi All, and Wendy Robson especially,

At the risk of sounding chauvinistic, it was refreshing to hear the
feminine view on a comparison of two types of palmtops, HPLX and
Psion.  In fact it was refreshing to have such a good comparison with
honest explanations, full stop.  Such descriptions are often lacking
when you really need help with a choice.  There was the feminine
approach and the technical approach side by side.

On Wednesday, 29 October 1997 Wendy wrote:

<Snip>
< Part rational and explainable and part emotional/irrational and
inexplicable.

<Snip>
< But hey, I don't HAVE to justify myself - these are my toys.

That's something that I've not noticed being brought up before; and
I'm glad someone else had the courage to say it, because much as my
palmtop and laptop are workhorses, they are also (especially my HP
100LX) my toys!

< Psion is from the UK, available widely in the UK, extremely well
known, and it feels nice to 'Buy British'.

I can sympathise with that, being a Scot now with Australian
citizenship of some standing.  Is Hewlett Packard regarded with such
nationalistic fervour (or should that be "fervor"?)?

There is one aspect where "the difference" does come in, however.  I
suspect that most of us are just a shade jealous, while not prepared
to admit it, that we can't sport a handbag and thereby have two
palmtops on the go simultaneously:-

< For what it's worth, the Psion lives in my handbag and the HP lives
in my briefcase...

My only hope as a Scot is to get a kilt and a sporran.  Then I could
put a real laptop (pouchtop?) on the latter, though logically it would
have to be a Mac.  Now there's a real selling point if that other
crowd were to enter the market with a Mini-Mac - a real challenge to
both HP and Psion.  It would be great for sending e-mail reports
overseas as a sporran-correspondent!

To be serious once more, the original message is emphasised that too
much bashing will not help.  It may be that the future of Psion is not
as much under threat as the HP 200LX, so let us sing the praises of
the latter and do something positive to register your support for it
now.

Thanks for a good letter, Wendy.

Barry Collins
<collib@atom.forensic.sa.gov.au>
TEAM 200LX

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Ok, now that I know that the IBM Home&Away doesn't work, my next
question is:

Is there a site that lists all hardware that is known to work with a
HP200LX?

If not, could people please send me e-mail listing any PCMCIA
Modem/Ethernet combo cards they have gotten working, or failing that,
modems, and (separate) Ethernet cards that work?

I will collect all of the answers and post to the list in a week or
so.
Thanks,
Jay W. Summet

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Does anyone have any of the additional clock fonts for the clock.exm
program on the SUPER site? The email address listed for the author in the
documentation doesn't seem to be valid :(

73 de KF4KGQ
Jeff Johns
jeffj@(nospam)scott.net
Remove (nospam) to email me!


    **This message was sent via UNIX, PINE and an HP200LX Palmtop PC !!!**

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Based on David Sargent's glowing review, and the fact it was compatible with my
existing cellullar phone, I purchased a Simple Technologies 33.6 Communicator.
It works great in my 4Mb, SingleSpeed 200LX.  I also use palmtop.com, so the
combination works out great with the built-in cc:mail for an email solution, or
for heavier-duty stuff, I log in to my UNIX shell account.  However,
hi-capacity Nicad or NiMH (I run NiMH) batteries are a MUST in this
application.  I can go a day, however, under regular use (which, for me, is
checking mail about 5 times/day, an average of 10 min/connection).  I'll post
detailed battery data as I collect it (I've only had the modem a day and a
half).

More info as I compile it...

Bill

Bill Childers - Computer Consultant
Amateur Radio Callsign: KE6VVW
childers@garlic.com
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*** The more I use Windows 95, the more I appreciate my 200LX. ***

P.S.: This message was sent with the modem, and the palmtop.com service.

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Hi Y'all,

Anybody using emm200 (Expanded memory manager)?  Do you see a difference
in running your proggies? or what?  If you do use it, could you give
some info how you set it up?  The doc's are pretty involved. (at least
to me)

Thank you,

Marta

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On 29 Oct, Lareya wrote:
> Hi Y'all,
>
> Anybody using emm200 (Expanded memory manager)?  Do you see a difference
> in running your proggies? or what?  If you do use it, could you give
> some info how you set it up?  The doc's are pretty involved. (at least
> to me)
>

Hi Marta,
you might try my emm200 web page as a starter for your installation:
http://www.iinet.net.au/~muzza/emm200.html

regards
Murray
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I just purchased an HP200LX 1MB with a 32MB Simple Technology Flash RAM
card.  The reason why I bought a 32MB card is because I would like to use a
map program. I have an old map program called Streets that runs in DOS. But
it requires EGA to run.  Is there a program that makes the 200LX emulate
EGA?  I seem to recall such a program about 10 years ago on my 286.

FYI: The 32MB Flash RAM card cost $225 from Necx (www.necx.com) which seems
like a great deal after seeing people on alt.comp.sys.palmtops selling USED
20MB cards for $200.

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Has anyone had any experience with the hp and vbdos?  Which version will
work on the HP?  Sources?  I appreciate any info you can share.
thanks
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Subject:      Re: MS Bashing...

Gardner Cohen wants to know why it is a bad thing that it takes drastically
more computing power to do a given job today than it did 20 years ago.

The answer, M. Cohen, is quite simple that it lacks elegance.

cordially, (but with failing patience)

lynn m. cavendish

team 260lx

(I also prefer not to use a sledge hammer to kill flies, or a stick of
dynomite to catch trout.  dispite the obvious efficacy, it simply doesn't
feel proper.)

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You'll find that RAM card prices are over inflated on the newsgroups.  The owners paid much more
originally and don't realize how much prices have dropped.

--- On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:07:52 -0800  Jerry Wang <jerw@USA.NET> wrote:

>FYI: The 32MB Flash RAM card cost $225 from Necx (www.necx.com) which seems
>like a great deal after seeing people on alt.comp.sys.palmtops selling USED
>20MB cards for $200.

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Between the tiny size text (or older eyes) and the inadequacy of the
keyword search, I had decided to convert the winword 1.0 help file to
text and read it in a larger font.  I have downloaded hlptotxt, hlp2doc,
view, etc.  none will read the winword 1.0 hlp file.  all say "not a
windows help file" (the .hlp file works fine in winword) Does anyone
know of a reader that will accept this older help file?  Or do you know
the format of the file that I might find some alternative way of reading
it.
Thanks
Ron

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     Hello!

     does any one know if i can put a new rom in side the hp200 (with more
     dos programs ) or other bottable operating system?


     Thanks Yehuda.

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There is no commercial product, that I know of.

--- On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:11:14 +0200  J S <yernst@NDC.CO.IL> wrote:

>     does any one know if i can put a new rom in side the hp200 (with more
>     dos programs ) or other bottable operating system?

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On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Murray Barton wrote:

> BTW.  Any-one know how to do a date sort in Perl?

If you tell me what format it's in I can help you out.  What are you
trying to do?

I use perl at work every day.
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> From:    Yuzuru Goto <yuzurugoto@POST1.COM>
> I've found clear picture of hinge crack.
...
> Anyway URL below is only a picture
>  http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~nucleus/hplx/hp_crack.jpg

The pictures at this site are EXCELLENT.  The picture of the crack is a
close up showing a real crack, not just a red line near where a crack
usually shows up.  I went and took a close look at mine and while it
isn't cracked (yet) is does show a faint lightness in discoloration
where the crack would be.  I suspect the plastic has been stressed there
and I'm starting to see it flex and break down into what will eventually
be a crack.

I'm thinking of epoxying a small piece of plastic or metal over the
stress/crack area to strengthen it before a crack can develop.
I assume this would kill my warranty though.  Any comments or ideas?

Russ   :-(                HP200LX 4meg SG647... New 1/97

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In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:26:18 CST."

Gregory Grosshans <ggrosshans@NSSLGATE.NSSL.NOAA.GOV> wrote:

> I'm surprised at the MS bashing thread especially in regards to the
> bashing at HP regarding this product.  I try to stay in touch with
> several newsgroups and mailing lists and I've never encountered
> anything similar regarding other HP computer systems
> (workstations/servers).

A lot of the unhappiness with HP is rooted in the fact that the 200LX
is essentially orphaned, and it is a very personal product.  It is
unlikely that there are many *personally-owned* HP workstations, with
users digging into their own pockets when something goes wrong.

> Does anyone have any experience, comments, recommendations on PCMIA
> cards that are both a modem AND contain flash RAM (I know there are at
> least two companies that have cards like this and one is EXP)?

Apex <http://www.apexdata.com/> and EXP <http://www.expnet.com/> are
the two you most likely heard of.

                                -Jim.
                                gonzalez@lads.is.lmco.com

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----- forwarded message -----
Date Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:01:31 -0800
From nrageh@link.com.eg (Nermine Ragueh)

Hi!
I have an HP 100LX and would like to know how to transfer information
from its DOS based software on my PC to MS Schedule+ (Win95). Can you
help me with this? Is there a software that I can download that converts

the info?

Thanks

Nermine
nrageh@link.com.eg





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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:59:00 -0800
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              "Crundall, Martin - TPMHC" <mcrundall@PACENT.COM>
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Subject:      Newton Keyboard:

Wow -- got home last night and there was my new keyboard from SHIER.
What a thrill.  Had to slow myself down to RTFM (readme file).  Played
with it last night but put it to work this morning on the van pool.  A
small piece of flat hardboard for my lap accomodated the keyboard and
palmtop very nicely and fits well in my shoulder bag (a flipped-over
clipboard would probably work great).  The combination makes extended
memo-type input a dream.  The Fn/Alt/Menu key stuff takes a little
getting used to but has been thought out carefully and it doesn't take
much usage to build the 'muscle-memory' necessary to maneuver swiftly.

My hats off to K. Adachi, the author of the driver, for a
well-thought-out tool, and thanks to SHIER for making it easy for me to
acquire and install this secure and permanent addition to my palmtop
goodie bag.

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Greetings Fellow Palmtoppers:

        I have received some comments on and off the LIST regarding
the change in the REPLY TO:. The vote is about 2:1 against the change.
I have it now set up such that both the original sender & the LIST are
available in that field so you just have to delete the address you
don't want (Both, Respect). This set up makes the most sence to me,=

but I leave that for you all to decide. I have excerpted the
following from the relevent section of the LISTSERV Owner's Manual:

......................................

Reply-To=3D List|Sender|Both|netaddress,Respect|Ignore

        Indicates wether the "Reply-to:" tag supplied by the sender=
 of
the mail file is to be preserved or discarded(if present), and, if
discarded or omitted, what should be placed in the new "Reply-to:" by
the server. The default value is "List,Respect".

        Note that some mailing systems are unable to process a
"Reply-to:" field with multiple address correctly and may therefore
disregard the Reply-to=3D Both option and treat it as Reply-to=3D List.

The parameters operate as follows:

1st positon:

        List: Replies are directed to the List address.
        Sender: Replies are directed to the original sender.
        Both: Reply to both the original sender and to the List (see
                note regarding this above).
        netaddress: Replies are directed to the specified internet
                address.
2nd position:

        Respect: The original "Reply-to:" tag, if any, is kept. Note
                that this means that the "Reply-to:" address specified
                In the first position is ignored if a "Reply-to:"
                tag exists in the original posting.

        Ignore: The original "Reply-to:" tag, if any, is ignored and
                discarded, and the value in the first position is used
                instead.

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 08:14:00 -0800
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Subject:      List (Buerg):

  To use LIST I found I must first issue the command MODE MONO, or MODE
BW80, otherwise I get a pretty unreadable screen.

  But then after I exit PE (pal edit) the mode has been reset and I must
issue it again.  I have a small batch file now, but I am wondering if
there isn't some kind of command-line parameter for LIST that will allow
me to use it natively and not have to switch display modes around.

  Would appreciate some assistance.  Many thanks!

  Martin

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              Jay Carlson <jaycar@MICROSOFT.COM>
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Subject:      Re: HP Venting and Memory/Modems
Comments: To: Jim Gonzalez <gonzalez@LADS.IS.LMCO.COM>

that and it's a shame to see a rare commodity like simple elegance
abandoned.

> ----------
> From:         Jim Gonzalez
> Reply To:     HPLX Mailing List;Jim Gonzalez
> Sent:         Thursday, October 30, 1997 7:56 AM
> To:   HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject:      HP Venting and Memory/Modems
>
> Gregory Grosshans <ggrosshans@NSSLGATE.NSSL.NOAA.GOV> wrote:
>
> > I'm surprised at the MS bashing thread especially in regards to the
> > bashing at HP regarding this product.  I try to stay in touch with
> > several newsgroups and mailing lists and I've never encountered
> > anything similar regarding other HP computer systems
> > (workstations/servers).
>
> A lot of the unhappiness with HP is rooted in the fact that the 200LX
> is essentially orphaned, and it is a very personal product.  It is
> unlikely that there are many *personally-owned* HP workstations, with
> users digging into their own pockets when something goes wrong.
>
> > Does anyone have any experience, comments, recommendations on PCMIA
> > cards that are both a modem AND contain flash RAM (I know there are at
> > least two companies that have cards like this and one is EXP)?
>
> Apex <http://www.apexdata.com/> and EXP <http://www.expnet.com/> are
> the two you most likely heard of.
>
>                                 -Jim.
>                                 gonzalez@lads.is.lmco.com
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              "Wendy Robson, FE 104, x3207" <wrobson@HUMBER.AC.UK>
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 Brendan Macmillan asked
> I thought the Psion had excellent battery life - but the HP is better?

Yes certainly by my experience.  I would say I change HP batteries
about once a month and the Psion's about every two week.  Still
pretty good but the HP is better (it's the backlight I guess).

By the way - great quote, where's it from.

> "    People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for
> merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy
> against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.     "

Wendy Robson
School of Engineering & IT
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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:05:02 -0800
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              "Longden C. Loo" <lloo@WORLD.NORTHGRUM.COM>
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On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Crundall, Martin - TPMHC wrote:

>   To use LIST I found I must first issue the command MODE MONO, or MODE
> BW80, otherwise I get a pretty unreadable screen.
>
>   But then after I exit PE (pal edit) the mode has been reset and I must
> issue it again.  I have a small batch file now, but I am wondering if
> there isn't some kind of command-line parameter for LIST that will allow
> me to use it natively and not have to switch display modes around.

I use version 6.2a (dated 5/7/87). I haven't upgraded cuz this version is
compact (about 8k).

I seem to remember making display/color changes and then using the
"cloning" feature in List to create a custom list.com (with changes
imbedded). Been a long time since I did that and I can't find my readme
file for List....but FWIW, I do use List on the LX, without having to
change the display modes (via MODE).

- Longden

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:23:14 -0500
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On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:00:16 -0500, Automatic digest processor wrote:
Hey guys, I just got a new toy.... The IBM PC110.

It's a 486SX-33 with 20Meg RAM and 340Meg PCMCIA harddisk. And guess what? It's
just about the size as my 200LX! It's the perfect thing to do really critical work (like
Autocad, and 3D Max.....) and it provides an *instant* solution to back up my 200LX at
ANYTIME...

Man, if u guys think the Omnibook is the perfect companion to the 200LX, the PC110 will
blow you away... :) Check it out.
... Run? Nothing runs in Windows. Maybe a brisk walk, but never run.

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:22:29 +1300
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Bill childers wrote:
>
> Based on David Sargent's glowing review, and the fact it was compatible with my
> existing cellullar phone, I purchased a Simple Technologies 33.6 Communicator.
> It works great in my 4Mb, SingleSpeed 200LX.....<snip>

Hi bill
This cellular thing is the final link in the mobile office masterplan,
and with all this depression over the future of the 200lx its wonderful
to have a new toy to add to the palmtop collection.

I have just got an APEX ClipperCom World V.34 33.6 Cellular modem that
works with netTamer to dial into my isp for email & news. Its power
rating is given as 157Mamps which is just over the recommended 150Ma
from
the PC slot but like you I am using NiMh rechargeable batteries (from
Shier)
NetTamer is taking about 275k on C: (2M) so its time to get that
upgrade.

Can anyone recommend a portable printer?

Is anyone running the Pentax or CitizenPN50/60 and can give an "after
much
use" type of report?

Thanks

John

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:40:12 -0800
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              Bill Childers <childers@GARLIC.COM>
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I usually make it a point (using Todo in my LX, of course) to check on
several web pages at least once a week.  Among these pages is (was)
Trixter's Abandonware, at http://boxotrix.it-ias.depaul.edu/abandonware/

Trixter had the best archive of abandonware I'd ever seen, and it truly was
a labor of love.  He had just about everything worth having for older
computers (or palmtops like the LX).  Also, he took immense pains to make
sure the software he offered was not offered anywhere else, and he didn't
charge anything for it.

However, the Interactive Digital Software Association (ISDA) recently
threatened to bring him up on criminal charges if he didn't remove his
archive immediately.  His page (listed above) now has a short blurb
detailing this.  I also surfed around to a couple of other pages that had
abandonware content.  It seems the ISDA is on a rampage; they are all shut
down, as well.

The abandonware ring home page
http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ringpe/abandon/main.htm
still has the faq available, if anyone's interested in reading it, although
the rest of the page and ring are also offline.

We've explored the abandonware subject before, and I made my feelings clear
on the subject.  I just thought all of the LXers should be made aware that
an excellent resource has been forcibly removed from our grasp.

I'd love to explore this topic some more, if anyone's interested, please
mail me off the list.  Perhaps we can get an on-line "petition" started to
support the abandonware concept.

Bill Childers


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ridiculous.  These "anti-piracy" campaigns really bug me. the IDSA or
whatever, i dont really respect them enough to spell there name right,
is a bunch of greedy milloinaires who have no sympathy for regular
people like us.   The idiots who say the software industry losses
billions of dollars to piracy are grossely exagerating,  how many
sales of microsoft word 5 were hurt by the copy available at tristers
web page, none that's how many!!! We do need to start a petition or=
 do
somthing at least.

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:22:39 -0800
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Bill Childers wrote:
>
> I usually make it a point (using Todo in my LX, of course) to check on
> several web pages at least once a week.  Among these pages is (was)
> Trixter's Abandonware, at http://boxotrix.it-ias.depaul.edu/abandonware/
>
> Trixter had the best archive of abandonware I'd ever seen, and it truly was
> a labor of love.  He had just about everything worth having for older
> computers (or palmtops like the LX).  Also, he took immense pains to make
> sure the software he offered was not offered anywhere else, and he didn't
> charge anything for it.
>
> However, the Interactive Digital Software Association (ISDA) recently
> threatened to bring him up on criminal charges if he didn't remove his
> archive immediately.  His page (listed above) now has a short blurb
> detailing this.  I also surfed around to a couple of other pages that had
> abandonware content.  It seems the ISDA is on a rampage; they are all shut
> down, as well.
>
> The abandonware ring home page
> http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ringpe/abandon/main.htm
> still has the faq available, if anyone's interested in reading it, although
> the rest of the page and ring are also offline.
>
> We've explored the abandonware subject before, and I made my feelings clear
> on the subject.  I just thought all of the LXers should be made aware that
> an excellent resource has been forcibly removed from our grasp.
>
> I'd love to explore this topic some more, if anyone's interested, please
> mail me off the list.  Perhaps we can get an on-line "petition" started to
> support the abandonware concept.

SORROW!!! I JUST discovered aboandoware myself, and it made alot of
sense. How many copies of Uridium were lost in 1997 because I d/l'd it
last week? Now, I MAY have caused a loss or two of sales of Uridium when
it was out being pirated to death on the C-64, but I can't really
remember and maybe I should just shut up right now. BYE.

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:23:55 +0800
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From:         Murray Barton <muzza@IINET.NET.AU>
Subject:      Re: GDB Repository > ISOCODES.ZIP
Comments: To: 1414lxm@ihug.co.nz, mbalistr@servcom.picker.com
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On 31 Oct, John Shaw wrote:

> about ISOCODES.GDB and I had a problem getting it off
> your page - the link points to ISOCODE.zip and the
> ftp file is in the plural with the "S"

G'Day All,
typo on the database page is now fixed & you should be able to download
the isocodes database without problem.  Thanks to John & Mikefor
letting me know.

the URL again:
http://www.iinet.net.au/~muzza/hp_db.html

Regards
Murray
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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:20:41 PST
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              Ian Butler <ianrb@CASPERS.NET>
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Being a software developer myself (look at my sig), I'd have to
disagree about the "power to the people" part in your letter.  I
frankly think it's a neat idea to distribute copies of old software
that will never again be sold.  It's old enough that it is no longer
of use in the marketplace, and people won't hold out that long to
get software anyway.  The only people that get abandonware
are those who enjoy it as a pastime.

The fact is the industry does lose billions of dollars through
piracy.  Those people aren't idiots, they're just telling the
truth.  And it doesn't matter whether you're a huge multi
national conglomerate or a mom-and-pop store, theft is
theft.

But the thing is, once a piece of software is discarded by a
company, it is still their property.  So is the dead microwave
oven you just took to the dump.  If anyone else wants it, it
really doesn't matter to you; similarly most companies do not
care about what happens to their software once it leaves the
marketplace forever.  The entire Abandonware Ring has been
*very* good at checking to see if the products are still being
sold before they uploaded them.  Sierra just dropped the word
that they were still selling the King's Quest series and every
site on the ring removed their copies.  I think that if companies
have beefs about old software being posted on the Internet, they
should take it up with the site owners themselves.  It is pathetic
to see some group funded God know how, get pissy about stuff
that no one uses or cares about anymore.  Sure, you can't copy
a book if it's still copyrighted, but will the publisher, or the law for
that matter, care if you copy it after the publisher ceases printing
it?

Just my $.02.

Ian Butler <ianrb@caspers.net>
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.

"When you tell vicious racist jokes, you should first announce
that you were liberal back when it was legal to be one."
- Dave Barry, "Why Humor is Funny"

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: ridiculous.  These "anti-piracy" campaigns really bug me. the IDSA or
: whatever, i dont really respect them enough to spell there name right,
: is a bunch of greedy milloinaires who have no sympathy for regular
: people like us.   The idiots who say the software industry losses
: billions of dollars to piracy are grossely exagerating,  how many
: sales of microsoft word 5 were hurt by the copy available at tristers
: web page, none that's how many!!! We do need to start a petition or do
: somthing at least.

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From:         Quinton Jones Jr <qman@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject:      Re: List (Buerg):

Try LIST Version 9.1m. It works fine for me without any display
problems are changes needed. If you need it I'll send it to you. Its a 104kb exe file.

>   To use LIST I found I must first issue the command MODE MONO, or MODE
> BW80, otherwise I get a pretty unreadable screen.
>
>   But then after I exit PE (pal edit) the mode has been reset and I must
> issue it again.  I have a small batch file now, but I am wondering if
> there isn't some kind of command-line parameter for LIST that will allow
> me to use it natively and not have to switch display modes around.
>
>   Would appreciate some assistance.  Many thanks!
>
>   Martin






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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:47:33 -0800
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Ian,
I agree wholeheartedly with you.  Copyright laws are there to protect the
writer financially... but if the product's no longer offered, are you
taking money from the writer by copying it?  Nope... 'cause it's not
offered!  It's the classic "If a tree falls in the forest" routine.  Now, I
don't advocate anyone copying any software, like registered versions of
Buddy, 'cause you are directly hurting the author.  But I think the people
who programmed these software products would be proud to see their
creations in use today, in the era of Micro$oft Windoze and Bill Gates.

Bill Childers
"That's just my opinion... I could be wrong."-Dennis Miller


At 04:20 PM 10/30/97 PST, you wrote:
>Being a software developer myself (look at my sig), I'd have to
>disagree about the "power to the people" part in your letter.  I
>frankly think it's a neat idea to distribute copies of old software
>that will never again be sold.  It's old enough that it is no longer
>of use in the marketplace, and people won't hold out that long to
>get software anyway.  The only people that get abandonware
>are those who enjoy it as a pastime.

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:45:33 EST
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Comments: To: mdstockr <mdstockr@NEO.LRUN.COM>

Text of message from mdstockr@NEO.LRUN.COM, 29 Oct 1997, 10:20 AM
...
> Has been running for months without any real problems.  However, every
> once and a while (<5% of time) the program is not executed as scheduled,
> it runs when I turn-on my LX in the morning (5:30AM).  This happens even
> when all apps have been closed previously.
>
> Does anyone have any insight into why this happens?

I have noticed this, too.  No rhyme or reason.  I run another macro which
closes all apps before the backup runs.  I have tried increasing the ram
available to dos sessions.  nothing fixes it and it only occurs
sporadically.

- Danny   Daniel Z. Sands, MD, MPH  *  dsands@bidmc.harvard.edu
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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:22:27 +1100
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              Brendan Macmillan <bren@CS.MONASH.EDU.AU>
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Subject:      Hinge Crack avoidance?
Comments: To: rlbrooks@pobox.com
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> > From:    Yuzuru Goto <yuzurugoto@POST1.COM>
> > I've found clear picture of hinge crack.
> >  http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~nucleus/hplx/hp_crack.jpg

Thanks for putting up this image!

This advise probably been pointed out by the hinge crack people, but just
in case...

I am reminded of some advice from the FAQ - opening the HPLX from one side
or the other tends to stress the hinges. It advises openning it from the
centre, so the stress is shared between the hinges.

Also, I have the impression that the FAQ was written by a former
generation of HPLX users, who have since moved on. I don't know if this
is true or not; I suspect it because many questions (and answers) posted
here are dealt with better in the FAQ. Would it strain too many mailboxes
to have it automatically posted to each newbie once, when they first join the
list?


--
bren@cs.monash.edu.au                            Brendan Macmillan
"    People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for
merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy
against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.     "

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:26:49 +1100
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> By the way - great quote, where's it from.
> > "    People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for
> > merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy
> > against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.     "

Thanks! It's from Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations". I'd seen it quoted
before and was delighted when I came across it in the hardcopy book. Then
I lost it. Luckily, I also have an etext version (from the Gutenburg
project), and searching for it electronically took only minutes.

I had the first book on my hp200lx for a while, but it's just too big
(many hundred kilobytes); and the hp200lx is not the best for reading,
IMHO.


A question for you: where did you get your DOS version of latex?



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bren@cs.monash.edu.au                            Brendan Macmillan
"    People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for
merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy
against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.     "

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 05:54:44 -0300
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From:         Eduardo Cesana <ecesana@E-NET.COM.BR>
Organization: ECOLOGICA
Subject:      EXP ThinFAX LXM 8mb
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Hello

Does any one have information about the PMCIA ThinFax LXM for HP200LX
with fax modem an memory. I can't find where to buy.


Thanks for any help.
ݨs


Eduardo Cesana

ECOLOGICA Tecnologia & Controle Ambiental Ltda
Tel +55 (0)71 375-3311  Fax +55 (0)71 375-1141
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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:50:56 -0500
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you misunderstand me mr butler.  i am perfecty willing to agree that
companies who program a software own it and can do what they want with
it while they sell it and support it.  BUT if they don't sell it or
support it anymore, they have no basis for complaint if people copy=
 it.
 when they licence software they have responsibility to support it,=
 if
they dont then it should become public domain.  software is different
than other copyright materials, the company that makes it must go all
or none, they should not be allowed to own it just for the sake of
ownership, they should either sell it and support it 100 % or not have
any rights at all.  at least thats the way it should be.

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:13:43 -0700
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     Hi!
     I agree 100%!

     Helmut in Colorado


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Date:    10/30/97 5:50 PM


you misunderstand me mr butler.  i am perfecty willing to agree that
companies who program a software own it and can do what they want with
it while they sell it and support it.  BUT if they don't sell it or
support it anymore, they have no basis for complaint if people copy it.
 when they licence software they have responsibility to support it, if
they dont then it should become public domain.  software is different
than other copyright materials, the company that makes it must go all
or none, they should not be allowed to own it just for the sake of
ownership, they should either sell it and support it 100 % or not have
any rights at all.  at least thats the way it should be.

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:36:41 -0600
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I looked at Simtel. They have the best of DOS going back as
far as 10 years, Of their 13000 files, 3100 have been added
in 1996 or 1997.

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:17:24 -0700
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        Hi!
        I have a very new 200lx, about one month old. I always open the
200LX in the middle and still in two weeks it had the crack!

        Helmut in Colorado

I am reminded of some advice from the FAQ - opening the HPLX from one side
or the other tends to stress the hinges. It advises openning it from the
centre, so the stress is shared between the hinges.



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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:27:04 -0500
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Question: I have an old computer that I don't use (386). It just sits in
the basement, doing nothing, but is in good condition.  Do I then have an
obligation to give it away to someone who will have a better use of it?

Mikhail

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Date: October 30, 1997 7:50 PM

software is different
than other copyright materials, the company that makes it must go all
or none, they should not be allowed to own it just for the sake of
ownership, they should either sell it and support it 100 % or not have
any rights at all.  at least thats the way it should be.

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:56:26 -0500
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I've been reading the WindowsCE-Talk list mail for a few weeks and it's
amazing how many users ask, "Does anyone know how to...", "Is there any
software for doing this...", "Has this happened to anyone..."
I realize that wince is new and the bugs have to be worked out. Also, there
are lots of programmers scrambling to write the software people want, but
I'm going to stick with this old DOS box (200LX) for a while.  It does most
of those things that wince users want there machines to do and if it
doesn't, I can program it myself! I also don't have to worry about bugs in
the operating system. Back when all of those were being worked out, I
wasn't even using a computer.
One more thing, if my old DOS box gets stuck, I can hit Ctrl-Alt-Del or
Ctrl-Shift-On (if it's really stuck) and not have to worry about whats
going to happen. It always takes me back to square one, as they say.

To each his own.
Best Wishes,
Owen Samuelson
Amateur Radio Call: KU4ET
HP200LX page: http://www.hom.net/~owensam/ptidx.html

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:00:25 -0700
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Subject:      Re: own it just for the sake of ownership - why not?
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Question: I have an old computer that I don't use (386). It just sits in
the basement, doing nothing, but is in good condition.  Do I then have an
obligation to give it away to someone who will have a better use of it?

You can do what ever you want with it. My Grandson sure could use it
though.


Helmut in Colorado

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:12:21 -0500
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Yes!  Please do!
Sincerely,
Denny

Scott Barrett wrote:

> If anyone is interested, I have the radio database made.  Mail me and I
> will send it to you direct.
>
> later,
> scott
> sbarrett@concentric.net
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if you made copies of your 386 computer many years ago, and made people
pay you for a copy, and now they cant get support from you
because your now selling copies of Pentiums, or because youve gone out
of buisness, then yes you do have an obligation to put it in public
domain, because you took money for your product but now the peoplewho
bought it cant get support for it and you dont sell it anymore. that
is the case with most abadnonware.   if you write a program for you=
 own
use that you dont sell to people then you can do whatever you want with
it, juust like you and your 386 in real life, but software companies
who sell there products have an obligation to either keep sellling and
supporting their products, or give up ownership.

i have no problem with software companies owning their products just
for the sake of ownership, if they want to. but i *do* have a problem
with companies who sell products, then stop selling and supporting them
or go out of business, who still want to retain ownership.    for
example, laws are written now so that people can use private property
for riding bikes and stuff unless there are trespassing signs...but=
 if
sombody gets hurt they cant sue the owner of the property if he didnt
charge to uss the property. but if he does charge to use it then he=
 is
liable for the injury.  this is a good analagy.   the companies charged
for their software so they shouldnt complain when people copy the old
programs they dont sell or support anymore.

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:05:34 PST
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I see the point you're making.  But this isn't the real situation.  It would
be more like this:

You have an old computer that you don't use (V20).  It just sits in
your dumpster, still of great value to a few people, and in good condition.
You have the *option* of letting anyone who wants it come and get
it; they know if you give it to them you don't have to worry about it
ever again (support, maintenance, etc.)

If you _do_ want it, why in the world did you put it in the dumpster?

I think the analogy is obvious.

Ian Butler <ianrb@caspers.net>
Advanced Software Systems, Inc.

"When you tell vicious racist jokes, you should first announce
that you were liberal back when it was legal to be one."
- Dave Barry, "Why Humor is Funny"

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: Question: I have an old computer that I don't use (386). It just sits in
: the basement, doing nothing, but is in good condition.  Do I then have an
: obligation to give it away to someone who will have a better use of it?

----

: software is different
: than other copyright materials, the company that makes it must go all
: or none, they should not be allowed to own it just for the sake of
: ownership, they should either sell it and support it 100 % or not have
: any rights at all.  at least thats the way it should be.

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:01:27 +1100
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Hi,

I'm new to this "forum" I used to use the compuserve one, but have left the
fold so to speak, and only found this recently.

I would like to know, be walked through the process for importing my phone
book from Winfax pro, to the HP. Is it possible? You can save the Wfx phone
book as DB111 or ascii. I have Transfile, and intellisync, are either of
these suitable?

Intellisync appears to be but I can't make it work?

All help appreciated.

David Green
Sydney Australia

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        There have been some changes in the Law, since I was last current
with it - to pay lip-service to the Berne Treaty - but I doubt that they
affected "abandonware." The way the law read in the mid-1980s, the creator
kept "copyright" for a LONG time, but the law officially read that the
copyright ceased to be "enforceable" once the copyright owner took it off
the market. It became enforceable once more, the moment it was returned to
the market.

        The way the courts interpreted this, with the wording of the law
somewhere close to "available at a reasonable price" was that copyright
was not enforceable on "out of print" books, though I THINK it probably
was enforceable on "out of stock" books, which means that the publisher
had plans to reprint "shortly" and had not officially "abandoned" the
product.

        If the software publishers are claming that "version 1,000 for
Windows" proves that "version 1 for DOS" is not abandoned, they have a
hard task ahead in the courts. On the other hand, if they claim that
"version 1,000 for Windows" is "basically the same" as "version 999 for
Windows" then they courts may uphold that. Pure speculation. Where to draw
the line is an issue yet to be decided by the courts, so far as I know.

        The whole problem is compounded by the origin of copyright being
the book market, with "artistic value" as the criterion. "Functional
Equivalence" is NOT officially relevant, as it would be in Patent Law.
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>   To use LIST I found I must first issue the command MODE MONO, or =
MODE
> BW80, otherwise I get a pretty unreadable screen.
>
>   But then after I exit PE (pal edit) the mode has been reset and =
I must
> issue it again.  I have a small batch file now, but I am wondering =
if
> there isn't some kind of command-line parameter for LIST that will =
allow
> me to use it natively and not have to switch display modes around.

This is strange Martin. I use list (v9.0h march 1994) and have had =
no
such problems - I run it from filer using point-n-shoot (along with
filer.ini) - if you use a 200lx this is a great way to harness the
speed and convenience of list (it also works great as a file manager
substitute when you are outside sysmgr or in a software carousel/maxdos
session). I also use it with zipray to read documents from directly
inside a zipfile. It is a very versatile util and I recommend it
highly.

I believe that both the utilities I mentioned above are on super
(www.palmtop.net/super.html).

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Date:         Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:17:28 -0800
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Hello everyone,
    I finally changed my keyboard cable on my newton keyboard to attach
to my 200lx, but am having trouble with changing and recompiling the
source code.

   I  am using A86, a shareware assembler.

   I need to alter the driver to deliver the apropriate keycodes to
simulate a Dvorak keyboard layout.  It looks like all that might have to
be changed is a table at the beginning of the file, but I haven't
programmed in assembler since the Z80 was king  of the hill and punch
cards were still in use.

Any help would be much appreciated.

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:18:26 +1100
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You know, I have this sneaking suspicion that DOS will really live
forever. The DOS/PC emphasises back-compatibility - they did that for
commerical reasons and I daresay that is partly why they have had so much
success. There is an *incrediable* amount of DOS software available; and
many people still use it, just as some still use old COBOL programs (which
the 2000 year bug has highlighted). It makes sense to keep using it if
it ain't broke.

Now, Windows95 has been very popular; but it retains back-compatibility.
WinCE and WinNT don't. Until they do, I don't know if they'll really
take off...

I saw an ad for a 5,000 pound Alpha workstation, the entry model running
at 416MHz. Clearly emphasised in the ad was the feature that it could
run *DOS* programs (evidently though an emulator).

I have heard of someone almost finishing a DOS emulator for WinCE. If it's
fast enough, WinCE may have a chance. IMHO.

It doesn't make commerical sense to abandon a decade of excellent software.

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Wendy,

I am very interested to read the comments of someone like you, with bot=
h a
200LX and a P5. I have the HP and was wondering about upgrading to the =
P5. I am
an "unbiased" user of the LX. I love what it does for me, but have an o=
pen mind
about other brands and models.

I believe in using the best available tools for the job.

Knowing the specs already, I am more interested in the personal comment=
s, such
as easy of use, speed of use (PIM, dbs, etc), why you would use one aga=
ints the
other.

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>
>   To use LIST I found I must first issue the command MODE MONO, or MODE
> BW80, otherwise I get a pretty unreadable screen.
>
>   But then after I exit PE (pal edit) the mode has been reset and I must
> issue it again.  I have a small batch file now, but I am wondering if
> there isn't some kind of command-line parameter for LIST that will allow
> me to use it natively and not have to switch display modes around.
>

Hi Martin,

I've been using list for quite a long time and had, of course,
the same problem.  I patched an old version of list to show
"correct" colors on mono-screen.  I can send you the binary
if you'd like to try it.  But I'm afraid that I cannot recall
the address where I've patched the file.  And I don't like to
go through the hassle finding suitable colors again...

One problem of receiving my file would be: I've patched it to
call "vi" as editor...

regards
Rudi

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 04:49:33 -0500
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              Jorgen Dybdahl <JDybdahl@COMPUSERVE.COM>
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I answered the original quetion directly  but this seems to be a general
problem.

Any version of LIST: list any file, type ? to see the help screen.
You will notice that F4/F2 sets the find colours, F5/F6 the text colours
and F7/F8 the status lines.

On the very latest versions you can in the "filer" set the bar colour
(something that always have demanded some experimentation with the FIND
colours) with ALT-F7/F8. Type F1 in the "filer" mode to see if you have
this function.

When you have found a setting you like, type ALT-C to write the changes t=
o
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>and the hp200lx is not the best for reading, IMHO.

Try the vertical reader VR (shareware) and it is!
Divide large books up into smaller pieces and books will fit "any" size
memory. I am reading The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (6
volumes!) in 150K chunks.

I think I got mine from CompuServe. Email the author: Gilles Kohl
100114,3146ompuserve.com if you don't have access. If someone will
take it on their web-site, I can send it.

Jorgen

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>
> >and the hp200lx is not the best for reading, IMHO.
>
> Try the vertical reader VR (shareware) and it is!
Yes, VR is a great idea... I hate to say it, but I found VR worse to read
than normal text...


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Hi there:

        I've been checking PCMCIA ATA flash cards prices, and found that the
Simple Technology 40MB is listed for about $286 in NECX. Good price. But in
the same section, I can see similar capacity and features cards for over
$1400... does anybody know WHY ?

Regards. Nacho.

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:07:08 GMT
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I recently posted some observations about my Psion Series5 (bought 3
months ago) as compared to my HP200LX (bought 3 years ago).  This has
obviously touched a nerve and I received a number of follow up
questions.

for example, Paul Szilard asked,
> Knowing the specs already, I am more interested in the personal comments, such
> as easy of use, speed of use (PIM, dbs, etc), why you would use one againts the
> other.

and Longden asked,
>The other issue (aside from durability) of which I haven't seen any
>posting in regards to, is the migration of your LX data to the Psion.
>Does the Psion match the LX databases (NoteTaker, Appt, Phone, etc.)
>sufficiently to allow a straight-forward transfer of the data? And if
>so, by what means (automated program or manual re-entry?) This is part
>of the angst and trauma of any platform change-over and I'll be
>interested in hearing how you plan to accomplish that.

 I would say that the different ownership times indicate
something about my relative depth of knowledge but I am happy to
answer such questions as I can.  I would say in general that the
Psion software is streets ahead on the HP's in format issues.  The HP
is way stronger in depth of funtionality.  This means that very
complex capabilities are less well served but the everyday ones of
page layout, print previews, headers, footers, fonts, paragraph
formating are available and strong all across the Psion.

I have migrated the PIM stuff already.  There is actually a small
amount of support for HP95 format stuff but I used DBIO to effect a
one way transfer through the CSV format.  No problems once I worked out
what I was doing (usual story).  Trick was to create the structure
of the destination database (for notpad, database, etc files) and
import to the existing file the CSV files.  I have some 2000 entry
databases (book listings & the like) and the went across like a
dream.

I didn't actually convert my appointment book.  I bought the Psion in
August & since I'm an academic that formed a natural break in my year
so there were few entries to manually enter
.
All spreadsheets went across as drag and drop (lotus format
is recognised) but you lose macros.  This is a serious lack, as yet
the Psion doesn't really have any macro capability.  The built in OPL
language does cover some of that need but not all of it.  I'm no
programmer but for some reason I never have any problems with Lotus
macros, HP system macros and DOS batch files.  This is probably a
mental block that I should break through.

I use the PIM features of the Psion in place of the HP.  I use the
connectivity features of the HP (read my mail and news from it &
sometimes, but not always, actually download from it).  I am a fan of
Vertical Reader so I keep large reference & reading texts on the HP
not the Psion.  I can run Windows 3.0 on the HP and various file
conversions so I do that on the HP.  I also have a QV100 digital
camera so I also use my HP as temporary picture storage when away
from home.

The Psion is faster for database lookups if they are simple keyword
searches, which mine almost always are.  However that's all it can do
- I do miss smart clips, subsets and SSL.  The Psion is way easier to
read in the poor lighting conditions of second-hand book shops which
is where I use most my book lists.

If anyone has specific questions relating to some feature of their
possible use, then do ask me specific questions.  I intend to keep on
using both machines.

Wendy Robson
School of Engineering & IT
University of Humberside
WRobson@Humber.ac.uk

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:46:06 -0500
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Subject:      Hinge crack...

When my HP200lx developed a crack, watching it during opening/closing it
seemed to me that it was stressed more during closing than during
opening. Of course the stress pattern may be different pre-crack and
post-crack....
Suresh

<snip> advice from the FAQ - opening the HPLX from one side or the
other.... <snip>

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:56:56 -0800
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With EMM would it be possible to run more of the HP LX's internal apps
at the same time?
I seem to often run out of memory due to too many apps open at once.
I also have the Times2 upgrade, so is there a special EMM driver for it?

.M

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Murray Barton SMTP:muzza@IINET.NET.AU
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 1997 1:43 AM
> Subject:      Re: Quest re:emm200
>
> On 29 Oct, Lareya wrote:
> > Hi Y'all,
> >
> > Anybody using emm200 (Expanded memory manager)?  Do you see a
> difference
> > in running your proggies? or what?  If you do use it, could you give
> > some info how you set it up?  The doc's are pretty involved. (at
> least
> > to me)
> >
>
> Hi Marta,
> you might try my emm200 web page as a starter for your installation:
> http://www.iinet.net.au/~muzza/emm200.html
>
> regards
> Murray
> --
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> despoils
> a work of nature we call him a developer. - Joseph Wood Krutch

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>    I need to alter the driver to deliver the apropriate keycodes to
> simulate a Dvorak keyboard layout.  It looks like all that might have to
> be changed is a table at the beginning of the file, but I haven't
> programmed in assembler since the Z80 was king  of the hill and punch
> cards were still in use.

Hi,

have you tried the d:/bin/key200.com ?

Rudi

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:53:04 -0800
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Rudi,
   Thanks for the suggestion.  I tried "keybez.com dv" which changes the
200LX keyboard but doesn't affect the newton keyboard pattern.  I figured
if that didn't work, I would have to change the newton keyboard driver
and re-compile it, both things that will take me a very long time to
figure out.

Thanks again,

David

>
> Hi,
>
> have you tried the d:/bin/key200.com ?
>
> Rudi
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>    Thanks for the suggestion.  I tried "keybez.com dv" which changes the
> 200LX keyboard but doesn't affect the newton keyboard pattern.  I figured
> if that didn't work, I would have to change the newton keyboard driver
> and re-compile it, both things that will take me a very long time to
> figure out.

One thing to note is: KEYBEZ hooks itself on interrupts 06h, 15h, 1Ch,
21h while KEY200 on 09h and 2Fh, where 09h is the hardware keyboard-ISR
in which one can really redefine scancodes in the lowest level of
keyboard-event-service and that will cheat ALL "subsequent" codes on
our palmtops.

Sorry for that if I misunderstood your case, don't even know how you
connect it.... :(

Rudi

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Try LIST Version 9.1m. It work fine for me without any display
problems. If you need it I'll send it to you. Its a 104kb exe file.

>   To use LIST I found I must first issue the command MODE MONO, or MODE
> BW80, otherwise I get a pretty unreadable screen.
>
>   But then after I exit PE (pal edit) the mode has been reset and I must
> issue it again.  I have a small batch file now, but I am wondering if
> there isn't some kind of command-line parameter for LIST that will allow
> me to use it natively and not have to switch display modes around.
>
>   Would appreciate some assistance.  Many thanks!
>
>   Martin








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Hi, I own a 200 lx that recently acquired a nasty habit of displaying
the 'main battery very low' message and powering itself off. Every now
and then it also says that the 'backup battery is low". I measure the
voltage with the meter and everything is OK. (Of course I replaced both
batteries). When I do {ESC} {ON} tests, both voltages - main and backup
oscillate from 1.5 V to 2.8V, with the main showing it more often. The
external power doesn't change anything. I suspect that the A/D converter
that measures the voltages went south.
At that point my question is: does anybody know if I could software
disable the the warning and the whole process; or is there a way of
fixing the A/D converter or whatever is doing it.
I'm OK with soldering iron and I took my 200 lx apart many times doing
all kind of tests, so if there is a cold solder I could probably fix it
(providing I know where to look for).
Happy palmtop'ing.

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On Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:10:54 +1100, Brendan Macmillan wrote:

>Yes, VR is a great idea... I hate to say it, but I found VR worse to =
read
>than normal text...

Have you tried using different fonts?  I think I settled on something
other than the default, and am very happy to use it for extended
periods.

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> You know, I have this sneaking suspicion that DOS will really live
> forever. The DOS/PC emphasises back-compatibility - they did that =
for
> commerical reasons and I daresay that is partly why they have had =
so much
> success.
>
> I have heard of someone almost finishing a DOS emulator for WinCE. =
If it's
> fast enough, WinCE may have a chance. IMHO.
>
> It doesn't make commerical sense to abandon a decade of excellent =
software.

Very well put, Brendan - these views echo my own exactly!

I can't help but wonder why it is held in such common opinion that =
the
existing dos software you mention will be of no real value in the
upcoming years and that everyone will be happy to abandon it for *new*
software that does precisely the same things...

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what i would like to see if the windows ce dos emulator works well is
if the windows ce machines and the hp machines in particular will run=
 a
pc card cdrom drive, if so then I would buy a windows ce machine very
fast if i could run my dos programs on it and access them from a cdrom
drive.

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   >Text of message from mdstockr@NEO.LRUN.COM, 29 Oct 1997,
   >10:20 AM ...
   >> Has been running for months without any real problems.
   >>However, every  once and a while (<5% of time) the program
   >>is not executed as scheduled,  it runs when I turn-on my
   >>LX in the morning (5:30AM).  This happens even  when all
   >apps have been closed previously. >
   >> Does anyone have any insight into why this happens?
   >I have noticed this, too.  No rhyme or reason.  I run
   >another macro which closes all apps before the backup runs.
   >I have tried increasing the ram available to dos sessions.
   >nothing fixes it and it only occurs sporadically.


   Here's an idea.   When I do a lot of software testing, or spend
   a lot of time out of Sysmgr, sometimes alarms will acumulate on
   me.   I usually don't worry, as I don't miss the appointment, but
   sometimes I notice that several alarms will sound one behind the
   other, specially in connection with the daily greeting.  You could
   try turning off the daily greeting.
   Another related idea is that sometimes in testing I lose the
   current date and time.  On one occassion that caused my palmtop
   to re-sound about 20 old alarms from different dates.   I now use
   datetest, new from SUPER, and it has come quite handy in
   catching this problem (I just wish it were smaller).

   Whatever the problem is, keep in mind that the palmtop handles
   only one alarm at a time, so it must sound old alarms before new
   ones.

   Dunno if any of this will help . . .

   Domingo

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On 31 Oct, Erling, Marshall N wrote:
> With EMM would it be possible to run more of the HP LX's internal apps
> at the same time?
That depends :-)  If you are running programs that can use EMS memory
then you can free up lower memory for use by other aplications.  I
don't think any of the HP aplications can use EMS directly though (Lotus
is prossibly an exception to this)  Some device drivers such as Stacker
are able to use EMS memory.  Software Carousel (& Maxdos?) can be
configured to use EMS.  Pkzip reports that it finds EMS on my 200LX so
I assume it is using it as well.  According to the win 3.0 manual it
will use EMS though it doesn't say how, some windows apps will also use
EMS (Excel?).


I have started a list of applications that use EMS and are runnable on
the Palmtop but submissions have been slow in forthecoming... :-)

> I seem to often run out of memory due to too many apps open at once.
> I also have the Times2 upgrade, so is there a special EMM driver for it?
>

There is a special EMM driver for memory upgraded machines.  If you
didn't get one from Mack you should contact him (it is called
tremm.sys).

Hope this helps, regards
Murray
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->> I have heard of someone almost finishing a DOS emulator for WinCE. If it's
->> fast enough, WinCE may have a chance. IMHO.

->I can't help but wonder why it is held in such common opinion that the
->existing dos software you mention will be of no real value in the
->upcoming years and that everyone will be happy to abandon it for *new*
->software that does precisely the same things...

I disagree.  The *new* software may do the same things but it does them
much slower.  So you see it is not "precisely" the same thing.  <g>

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> I don't think any of the HP aplications can use EMS directly though =
(Lotus
> is prossibly an exception to this)

AFAIK the palmtop 123 has the EMS thing disabled. But regular 123 R2.X =
uses it
and runs fine with it on the palmtop. Means one can load bigger
spreadsheets tham with the palmtop 123.

>
> I have started a list of applications that use EMS and are runnable =
on
> the Palmtop but submissions have been slow in forthecoming... :-)
>

Agenda is one. Great idea to compile that list!

Regards, Tony

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On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, Brendan Macmillan wrote:

> You know, I have this sneaking suspicion that DOS will really live
> forever.

Sci-Fi movie buffs will remember the scene in "Robo-Cop", a futuristic
movie about an experimental cyborg policeman, when they first bring him
"on-line".

His visor showed something like "....loading command.com".

It DIDN'T show the Windows logo <g>.

- Longden

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From:         PALMTOPS@AIRGUNHQ.COM
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2D>if you made copies of your 386 computer many years ago, and made people
  >pay you for a copy, and now they cant get support from you
  >because your now selling copies of Pentiums, or because youve gone out
  >of buisness, then yes you do have an obligation to put it in public
  >domain, because you took money for your product but now the peoplewho
  >bought it cant get support for it and you dont sell it anymore. that
  >is the case with most abadnonware.   if you write a program for you=
  > own
  >use that you dont sell to people then you can do whatever you want with
  >it, juust like you and your 386 in real life, but software companies
  >who sell there products have an obligation to either keep sellling and
  >supporting their products, or give up ownership.

Much as I wish to agree with you, I can't.  I don't recall any of the
license agreeements for software I've purchased as specifying lifetime
support for the product....

Jim

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RH>        The way the courts interpreted this, with the wording of the law
  >somewhere close to "available at a reasonable price" was that copyright
  >was not enforceable on "out of print" books, though I THINK it probably
  >was enforceable on "out of stock" books, which means that the publisher
  >had plans to reprint "shortly" and had not officially "abandoned" the
  >product.

     I'm curious as to how a software publisher officially abandons a
product?  I haven't yet looked at these "abandonware" sites but when I
first heard mention of them I assumed they were for software, either
shareware or commercial, where the copyright owners released the
product into the public domain.  From what I'm reading here in the
last couple days it seems that this might not be the case, and that
commercial software protected by copyright may be there.
     I wish that SPA, and any other tradegroups that might exist for
people who write and market software, had a set policy that they would
release copyrights whenever they decided to cease support for a
product.  Then the situation would be clear.  However they don't have
such a policy and many software companies do retain their copyright
even if they stop supporting and marketing a product.  This being the
case, much of what is being touted as "abandonware" is actually pirated
commercial software.  It's wrong to download and/or distribute it.
Already, I often see the term shareware used interchangeably with
freeware and they are NOT the same thing.
     If you owned a home, moved out of it but never sold it, would
other people have the right to take it over?

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On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, Quinton Jones Jr wrote:

> Try LIST Version 9.1m. It work fine for me without any display
> problems. If you need it I'll send it to you. Its a 104kb exe file.

I use version 6.2 and it's only 8k. I like features like everyone, but
what does the extra 96k buy you?

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On Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:10:54 +1100, Brendan Macmillan wrote:

>Yes, VR is a great idea... I hate to say it, but I found VR worse to read
>than normal text...

Have you tried using different fonts?  I think I settled on something
other than the default, and am very happy to use it for extended
periods.

--
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Team 200LX

Also, the PAL Library comes with a program called "Pal Font Editor" PFE
which you can use to create your own fonts for vertical reader. I made a
font as large as I could with that program and use it to read stuff with VR.

Best Wishes,
Owen Samuelson
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>This being the
>case, much of what is being touted as "abandonware" is actually pirated
>commercial software.  It's wrong to download and/or distribute it.
>Already, I often see the term shareware used interchangeably with
>freeware and they are NOT the same thing.
>     If you owned a home, moved out of it but never sold it, would
>other people have the right to take it over?

No, but you could get a copy of the floorplan and build one on your own lot!

Best Wishes,
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From:         Bob Aldrich <robert@COLUMNIST.COM>
Subject:      Re: own it just for the sake of ownership - why not?
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Bob Aldrich wrote:

On the other hand, the maker of that computer does not say what you can
or cannot do with it! Once you bought it, it's yours! I never understood
why this does not apply to software. Why is it so much more valuable
than hardware, that they purchaser can't give it to someone else? Or can
he?

Mikhail Epelbaum wrote:
>
> Question: I have an old computer that I don't use (386). It just sits in
> the basement, doing nothing, but is in good condition.  Do I then have an
> obligation to give it away to someone who will have a better use of it?
>
> Mikhail

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 22:29:18 -0500
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              Don Dartfield <2d@INAME.COM>
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so what if they dont specify lifetime support,  im not saying this is
the way it is i am just saying this is the way it should be. legally
they still own the product until tge copyright expires but that is what
is wrong, not downloading "pirated commercial software."

to use your example of a home; if you rent out your home to many
people you do have  responsibility to maintain the house. if you stop
maintaining the house or accepting payment or caring about your house
then you have no reason to complain if the people take over your house,
many of the people who settled in the united States gained their land
by "squatting" where if they livd on the land for a number of years,
the ownership would transfer to them. the companies and poeple who
complain about "piracy" with abandonware have no basis for doing so
except to be selfish and greedy, and theres not even any reason for=
 it
because they have nothing to gain and plenty to lose by being selfish.
i think borland has an excelent policy regarding abandonware, if you
find a copy of an old c compiler you can use it provided you buy a copy
of a more recent version, then you have the right to use one or the
other but not both.  that way you can use old software which is not=
 for
sale any more without violating any laws.

i do agree that piracy is wrong because it takes sales away from the
software company but if there is no sale lost then the company, should
be glad to get free publicity with there software, in fact the only
reason not to let people copy it freely is either selfishness or fear
that people might find out their product is not very good...

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Date:         Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:32:32 -0700
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Item Subject: Abandonware





     If you owned a home, moved out of it but never sold it, would
other people have the right to take it over?


     I say yes, the government has or maybe it has not but takes it any
     way. In our city if a house is no longer lived in and is not kept up
     (Suported) the city takes it over and does whit it what ever they
     want.

     Helmut in Colorado         (Colorado Springs)
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