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At 11/30/02-05:42 PM, Larry Mittell <lmittel@attglobal.net> wrote:
>If my rusty memory serves, POST/LX messages are in RFC 822 format. If
>that's so, ForMorph (see www.fkeeps.com) will probably do nicely. It isn't
>free, but it's relatively inexpensive.

Thank you, Larry!

Well, very interesting product. The protocol governs how the messages are
built (headers and body) and indeed Post/LX complies with RFC822 in that
respect. What the protocol does not govern is how messages are stored. That
is why Eudora uses .MBX structure and Post/LX uses its own structure.
Unfortunately, POST/LX's structure is not among the "BIG BOYS" <bg>... and
so it is not known to ForMorph. For awhile I thought maybe their wizard
will let me describe the structure and then create the translation, but
that was too much to hope for :-( ...

I am hoping to avoid having to program this myself.

avi

>At 05:51 AM 11/30/2002, Avi Meshar wrote:
>>Anyone knows of a tool to convert POST/LX mailboxes to/from MBX format?

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Michael,

Thanks!

At 11/30/02-07:59 PM, Michael Kopplin <kopplin@TECHNOIR.NU> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Larry Mittell wrote:
>
> > At 05:51 AM 11/30/2002, Avi Meshar wrote:
> > >Anyone knows of a tool to convert POST/LX mailboxes to/from
> > >MBX format?
>
> > If my rusty memory serves, POST/LX messages are in RFC 822 format. If
> > that's so, ForMorph (see www.fkeeps.com) will probably do nicely. It isn't
> > free, but it's relatively inexpensive.
>
>The messages themselves aren't a problem from what I can see.
>It's the message separator, which isn't part of RFC 822.

Exactly.

>Eudora and many other email programs use the traditional "From "
>line to separate messages, like
>
> >From owner-hplx-l@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU  Sat Nov 30 07:16:23 2002

Yep!

>POST/LX however uses something like
>
>-~~~~~~~~Mail~

The "squiggles" (tildas) are actually x'255'. There is a set number of
them. One on them is used to tell the message status (N = new, unread
etc...) and the letters denote the message box where the message came from
originally.

>Converting to eudoras mbx format shouldn't be that difficult
>using awk, sed or perl.

I know none of these. It is a simple enough structure to try in other
languages which I do know. I was hoping there is a ready-made program which
someone may have already done. I'd want to go back and forth.

>All one would have to do is search and
>replace the .i mail separator with a "From " type separator.

Yes, that basically sums it up. Eudora also has a header they call
"X-Persona" which corresponds directly with the name Post/LX uses in the
header, so that is also easy to build.


>Eudora should then be able to read the mailbox and create any
>supporting files.

Exactly. It has a .MBX where the messages are kept, and a .TOC where it
keeps information about the messages.

It can rebuild .TOC from a valid .MBX. I used that before to move mailboxes
from one machine to another from one Eudora to another Eudora. It is not
necessary to build the TOC after the conversion TO Eudora. Similarly, the
TOC is not needed to build a good .I which Post/LX can use.


>I don't believe the From line has to have any real information, just
>properly formatted. I've done this for messages to use in pine, and just
>used a bogus email and current system time.

I think you are right. All my .MBXs are populated with these:

 From ???@??? Mon Mar 11 21:49:22 2002

But the date is valid - received date, but the time seems bogus.

>Going from eudora to post/lx could be similar, except I think the .i
>separator can include message status information.

Yes, New/unread, Seen, candidate for delete and I think that's it.

The specs are simple enough. I am hoping maybe someone already did the
programming so I don't have to :-) ...

Call me Lazy! <vbg>

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You could probably do what Mike suggests with an MS Word macro, as silly as
it sounds. It may be a bit too painful to do for more than a single shot,
though.

Larry

At 08:52 PM 11/30/2002, Avi Meshar wrote:
>Well, very interesting product. The protocol governs how the messages are
>built (headers and body) and indeed Post/LX complies with RFC822 in that
>respect. What the protocol does not govern is how messages are stored. That
>is why Eudora uses .MBX structure and Post/LX uses its own structure.
>Unfortunately, POST/LX's structure is not among the "BIG BOYS" <bg>... and
>so it is not known to ForMorph. For awhile I thought maybe their wizard
>will let me describe the structure and then create the translation, but
>that was too much to hope for :-( ...
>
>I am hoping to avoid having to program this myself.

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04h36m ago Avi Meshar wrote:
[...]
> >Eudora and many other email programs use the traditional "From "
> >line to separate messages, like
> >
> > >From owner-hplx-l@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU  Sat Nov 30 07:16:23 2002
>
> Yep!
>
> >POST/LX however uses something like
> >
> >-~~~~~~~~Mail~
>
> The "squiggles" (tildas) are actually x'255'.

sed "s/^-\FE\FE*.$/From avi@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU  Sat Nov 30 07:16:23 2002/" infile.i > outfile.mbx

would change all lines beginning with '-ascii(254)ascii(254)' to a From line separator

The reverse could also be done with sed.

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Tony Hutchins wrote:
> frac3 90.12 shows me '90' , not '90 1/8'

I just checked to see what my solution does and found that entering
fractions not expressible as /128, i.e. 1/10 or even entering decimals
into the interger field, i.e. 90.12 0/8 as per the example given will
yield total nonsense.

Tom: Please change +C4 in A9 to @round(C4,0) to start off with the
nearest 128th.

Curtis: On systems not offwering rounding explicitly (i.e. computing
languages as opposed to spreadsheets) I always add half the lowest step
before the @int or the "print as", i.e. your frac3 shoult add 1/16
first.

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At 12/1/02-04:41 AM, Tony Hutchins <th@PARADISE.NET.NZ> wrote:
>sed "s/^-\FE\FE*.$/From avi@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU  Sat Nov 30 07:16:23 2002/"
>infile.i > outfile.mbx
>
>would change all lines beginning with '-ascii(254)ascii(254)' to a From
>line separator
>
>The reverse could also be done with sed.

ASSUMING I know anything about sed, which I do not <VBG>... But thanks for
that one anyway...

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At 12/1/02-07:09 AM, I wrote:
>At 12/1/02-04:41 AM, Tony Hutchins <th@PARADISE.NET.NZ> wrote:
>>sed "s/^-\FE\FE*.$/From avi@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU  Sat Nov 30 07:16:23 2002/"
>>infile.i > outfile.mbx
>>
>>would change all lines beginning with '-ascii(254)ascii(254)' to a From
>>line separator
>>
>>The reverse could also be done with sed.
>
>ASSUMING I know anything about sed, which I do not <VBG>... But thanks for
>that one anyway...

Ok, I'll bite: Where can I find SED and some instructions? Will it run on
the Palmtop? (I assume yes...) Will it run on a Win98 desktop? DOS Box?

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Avi Meshar writes:
> At 11/30/02-07:59 PM, Michael Kopplin <kopplin@TECHNOIR.NU> wrote:
> >
> >I don't believe the From line has to have any real information, just
> >properly formatted. I've done this for messages to use in pine, and just
> >used a bogus email and current system time.
>
> I think you are right. All my .MBXs are populated with these:
>
>  From ???@??? Mon Mar 11 21:49:22 2002
>
> But the date is valid - received date, but the time seems bogus.

I believe this header is added by the receiving system, either by the
MTA (mail transfer agent - often sendmail) or by the MDA (mail delivery
agent - procmail, for example).  I think the header usually reflects the
time one of these last steps happens, so if these is any delay along the
way it won't match the Received: headers.  It may or may not match the
Date: header, as this may also be dependent on the sender's MUA (mail
user agent).

As Mike indicated, most MUAs don't care what data the separator header
contains, as long as it's present and properly formatted (although some
MUAs ignore it completely).

I went through a lot of this last month when I cleaned up over 10 years
of e-mail archives from various systems and reformatted them for use in
Pine.  Plugging in the exact same data for this header in all e-mails
had no effect on how Pine treats them--that is, the message date is
derived from the Date: header.

By the way, PNR uses two lines of four ASCII 01 characters as the
message separator.  I think they are represented by the smiling face
( ) on the palmtop.  I've got a sed script that will convert these
files to mbx format if anyone wants it.

Avi, sed is a bit abstruse at first, but it's a *wonderful* tool once
you figure it out.  I recommend it highly.

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> Ok, I'll bite: Where can I find SED and some instructions? Will
it run on
> the Palmtop? (I assume yes...) Will it run on a Win98 desktop?
DOS Box?

SED is all over the internet.  I'm sure Simtelnet has 20 versions
of it.  Any old download site that remembers there used to be DOS
should have it.  x2ftp.oulu.fi and garbo.uwasa.fi/pc and ZDNET for
example.  A google search should yield millions of versions.  Well,
that might be exaggerated. :)

SED is just a filter.  It takes a file and some paramaters and
spits out a new file with changes according to the parameters.  I
think someone once told me that SED means STream eDitor.  Anyway,
as a filter it should run just fine in any dos or dos window as
long as there isn't a 386-needed issue.  I suspect most won't need
a 386.  They were all over the place before the 386 was developed.

There are also a number of similar programs with other names
although I don't recall any names now.

I haven't used SED that much but over the years I found a few
problems where SED was the only realistic solution and that might
not have been solved without it.

It's also possible to do pretty much the same thing with a modified
version of qedit but that takes a lot more effort to set up.  It's
a lot more powerful, though.  And you probably already know how to
use qedit so you won't have to learn unix regular expressions if
you don't already know them.

Doing it in SED if you know SED would be a LOT simpler but doing it
in qedit might be simpler than learning and using regular
expressions in SED if you don't already know them. I mostly used it
before I knew about qedit.  I basically had to learn it each time I
used it.

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Hello,

I like to get some understanding about an observation with a simple
System Macro. Someone might already have stepped in deeper than I did
and can point me in the right direction.

If I record a simple macro, for example

         {123}/tltest{Enter}{Alt+F3}doit{Enter}

the System Macro does what it is supposed to do: it starts 123, loads a
file, and starts the 123 macro doit.

However, if I type in the same System Macro, instead of recording it, it
looks identical, works identical, but generates an unwanted beep.

After building some test cases the problem bottles down to whenever a
recorded System Macro is touched with the inbuilt editor, the binary MAC
file shows a different content at different places even so the visible
content is the same.

In a recorded macro it is sufficient to add a space, remove it, and save
the macro to produce the described effect.

The natural way to proceed would be to analyse the differences in the
small MAC file. However, I have no idea about its schema. DEBUG shows
that readable strings, like the file name, are not consecutive (every
second byte).

Any pointers to more information about the internals of a MAC file?

Thank you
Norbert
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At 12/1/02-09:08 AM, theise@netins.net wrote:
>Avi, sed is a bit abstruse at first, but it's a *wonderful* tool once
>you figure it out.  I recommend it highly.

I started reading about it. I also recall other "magic" that Tony and
others have done with it before. One of the sources of its power is the
regular expressions, by far an abstruse but powerful way of doing things!

I did some stuff before on the website with regular expressions and the
stuff is amazing! Being able to use it very directly with SED will be a lot
of help. I am convinced!

The only danger to you all who are proponents is that I and others will
come back again and again with questions <VBG>...

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Curtis Cameron wrote:
> It would be pretty easy (in any language) to write a program to do
> this. However, if you need to do similar, but not exact, things
> frequently, Perl is the ideal language.

I was eagerly looking forward to answers to this one, as this ought to
an elementary excercise for a good editor, which is what I am still
looking for. So for the time being I shall still fire up the Atari
emulator to run Tempus, which does this and lots and lots of other nice
things most easily.
It may look (and be) rather perverse, but to my knowledge both Tempus
and STemulator are still commercially available, so possibly someone
else might go that route.

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On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Avi Meshar wrote:

> The only danger to you all who are proponents is that I and
> others will come back again and again with questions <VBG>...

That's exactly what I'm hoping for!  I've only used it a few
times, and want motivation to work with it more so I can learn it
better.  <grin>

And Barry is right about sed coming from "Stream editor."


From the Linux man page:

       sed - a Stream EDitor

DESCRIPTION
       Sed is a stream editor.  A stream editor is used to perform
       basic text transformations on an input stream (a file or
       input from a pipeline).  While in some ways similar to an
       editor which permits scripted edits (such as ed), sed
       works by  making only one pass over the input(s), and is
       consequently more efficient.  But it is sed's ability to
       filter text in a pipeline which particularly distinguishes
       it from other types of editors.



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At 12/1/02-11:40 AM, Theodore Heise <theise@NETINS.NET> wrote:
>On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Avi Meshar wrote:
>
> > The only danger to you all who are proponents is that I and
> > others will come back again and again with questions <VBG>...
>
>That's exactly what I'm hoping for!  I've only used it a few
>times, and want motivation to work with it more so I can learn it
>better.  <grin>

You are a glutton for punishment! <vbg>

>And Barry is right about sed coming from "Stream editor."

Yep, I saw it on many references.

> >From the Linux man page:

We have SED 1.5 on our S.U.P.E.R. ...

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Le Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:49:52 -0600
Avi Meshar <hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM> a =E9crit:

> We have SED 1.5 on our S.U.P.E.R. ...

And you can find more informations about ms-dos versions of sed on :

   http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/

Most of the newer versions seem to be compiled for 32bit operation, but
the sources are disponible...


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10h25m ago Avi Meshar wrote:
> ASSUMING I know anything about sed, which I do not
> <VBG>... But thanks for that one anyway...

Avi, that's OK<G>.
I use "sedmod" in ROBOWEB and have it at my site:
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/sedmod10.zip
It gets a pretty good writeup in the sed faq, but is fairly
hard to find. It originates from Compuserve. One good feature
is a larger maximum buffer than usual for the DOS seds. I use
it for the sed filters that come with PalEdit as well. It's
probably the ideal tool for the .i<->.mbx conversions - they
call it "streaming" because the files flow through so fast it
brings tears to the eyes, especially after the hard work in
getting the command-line exactly right <G>.
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On 2002-12-01, Eric Greenspoon wrote:

> Would anyone know if xcopy was around in the days of DOS 3.22?

At least it existed in Amstrad MS-DOS 3.20 and Zenith MS-DOS 3.20,
but not in IBM PC DOS 3.20. I don't know about generic MS-DOS 3.20.
It also exists in generic MS-DOS 3.30+, in IBM PC DOS 3.30+, as well
as in Compaq MS-DOS 3.31+, and Digital Research's DR DOS 3.31+.

> I'm trying to write a more efficient backup batch for a 95LX.
> If xcopy existed then and someone has a copy they wouldn't
> mind sending my way, I'd really appreciate it.

I suggest to try the XCOPY that ships with DR-DOS 7.03 (see
http://www.drdos.org for download options). It should work fine
on any DOS 3.30+, but probably would also run on earlier issues.

Greetings,

 Matthias

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I've updated RPN once more, to version 1.11. Now when you enter
90.12FRAC4, it displays 90 1/8 instead of 90. Also, instead of "/?",
use the "H" command anytime.

For fractions, I'd like to have a way to enter them more naturally,
like instead of "1 8/90+" for "90 1/8", since entering it directly
would be ambiguous with standard RPN commands. Maybe something like
"F90 1/8"? I'm looking for ideas.

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At 12/1/02-09:14 PM, Curtis Cameron <cc@CCDOMINOES.COM> wrote:
>I've updated RPN once more, to version 1.11. Now when you enter
>90.12FRAC4, it displays 90 1/8 instead of 90. Also, instead of "/?",
>use the "H" command anytime.

Excellent. Thanks.

>For fractions, I'd like to have a way to enter them more naturally,
>like instead of "1 8/90+" for "90 1/8", since entering it directly
>would be ambiguous with standard RPN commands.

But this works:

90 1 8 / +
90.1250

This complies with RPN with a stack, which you have: 90 then 1 which pushes
90 down. 8 pushes stack down more.  / divides the last two number (1 and 8)
and pops the stack up. Lastly, + adds the last two numbers (0.125 and 90)
to yield  a correct answer.


>Maybe something like "F90 1/8"? I'm looking for ideas.

I do not think it is necessary, frankly.

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01h44m ago Curtis Cameron wrote:

> I've updated RPN once more, to version 1.11. Now when you
> enter 90.12FRAC4, it displays 90 1/8 instead of 90. Also,
> instead of "/?", use the "H" command anytime.

Hi Curtis - it's me again, the fast downloader<G>. I got the
rpn.zip but it has 1.10 inside. The htm sowns "1.11" though.

> For fractions, I'd like to have a way to enter them more naturally,
> like instead of "1 8/90+" for "90 1/8", since entering it directly
> would be ambiguous with standard RPN commands. Maybe something like
> "F90 1/8"? I'm looking for ideas.

I can only applaud your innovative idea! After all, the stack
can show "90 1/8" and it's consistent to have a way to
directly insert "90 1/8" like that. An advantage over the "1
8/90+" is that the later will cause the previous t,z to be
lost, whereas "F90 1/8" is really just like entering 90.125.

Keep the ideas coming!

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On Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:49:53 -0600 Avi Meshar wrote:
>But this works:
>90 1 8 / +
>90.1250

You're right. The reason I didn't recommend this method is that it
uses one more stack register than "1 8/90+" does. You can still do
arithmetic on two numbers like you say, for example 90 1/8 plus
45 3/4 would be "90 1 8/+45 3 4/++". This uses up all the stack,
though, and you wouldn't have room for any more pending numbers. But I
guess with these kinds of fractions, you probably wouldn't need to
operate on more usually.

By the way, I found some small errors in the FRAC display when the
fraction was very close to an integer, so should be rounded to it, and
with negative numbers. They've been fixed in v1.12.

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Hi Curtis,

I like the way the HP does fraction entry on the 32SII calculator, they use a decimal point twice.
So 90 1/8 would be entered 90.1.8, for example.  You'd obviously have to change your input parser
some.  While you're changing that part of the code you might want to allow for exponent
entry too (i.e., an EEX function) simply using E would be the obvious solution but then you'd have to
deal with an embedded '-' for negative exponents.  Looks like the parser might get a little messy after all :)

Anyway, just my 2 cents.  You write wonderful stuff!

Thanks,

Katie


>For fractions, I'd like to have a way to enter them more naturally,
>like instead of "1 8/90+" for "90 1/8", since entering it directly
>would be ambiguous with standard RPN commands. Maybe something like
>"F90 1/8"? I'm looking for ideas.

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Has anyone figured out how to transfer appointments form the palmtop
appointment book to the REX 3? Having my phone numbers in such a small
package is great but I really miss having my calendar.

Thanks
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46m ago Curtis Cameron wrote:

> with negative numbers. They've been fixed in v1.12.

Got that one fine :)

Thanks for the rounding to the nearest 2^nth !

Your propsoed

F90 1/8

method reminds me of the HP48SX where I can enter '90+1/8'
into the X register, and the EVAL it to 90.125.

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Hi Curtis:

At 11/29/02-11:29 PM, Curtis Cameron <cc@CCDOMINOES.COM> wrote:
>Version 1.10 of the RPN command-line calculator is available at my web
>site, http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx/ .

I am not sure if it was clear what Tony said, but I understood after I
downloaded and tried the program. It still says that is RPN v 1.00, not
1.10. And indeed it is not yet doing the functions you mentioned.

This is a great program. One feature I especially like is that I can use it
right on my Win98 with no mods!

Ironically I just unpacked my old HP12 which I had on my desk for years!
There has got to be a reason why I still haven't bought the batteries for
it! Now, with RPN, I don't need them.

I have a request: Can you add a way to display the HELP screen WHILE
calculating, i.e. AFTER the program starts running? /? has a meaning: It
will divide the last two entries, and then display the interim result, so
that won't work. Typing h just regurgitates 0.00, presumably the current
value of variable h...

Maybe the word "help"? Well, whatever you decide so the help screen can pop
during usage will be helpful...

This is a lovely program. Thank you!!!

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Hi Curtis,

I want to echo all the kudos and say thanks for RPN. I will use it in my
woodworking shop for quick fraction calculations. In that light, I really like
Katherine Wasserman's idea to simplify fraction entry:

rpn 90.1.8 45.3.4+

It's fast and less error prone for me, although I certainly can use 1.12 today:

rpn 90 1 8/+45 3 4/++

What I find is that I forget to enter frac5. No problem, I just do it when I see
my decimal number. Could rpn default to frac5 if it sees all fractions being
entered?

I hope you're not sorry you asked for our input!

Best Regards,
Tom Salwasser


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> would be ambiguous with standard RPN commands. Maybe something like
> "F90 1/8"? I'm looking for ideas.

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Avi Meshar wrote:
> > > >From a programming point of view I would take the fractional
> > > >part of the result and search a lookup table.  You could even
> > > >print it out as it wouldn't be very large.  32 entries for
> > > >x/32nds.

> Good enough for me to call programming.

Huh? Not only is it not programming, it is bad, really bad. A lookup
table to achieve what you can get simply by multiplying by 32 plus
perhaps a bit of rounding? And then you only have the trivial result.
You can of course give a result as 8/32, but only if you really don`t
find a way to do it right.

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At 11/29/02-11:49 AM, Axel wrote without reading the post first:
>Axel Berger wrote:
> > A lookup table to achieve what you can get simply by
> > multiplying by 32
>
>Strike that. I just realized that that is obviously not what you have
>done,

STRIKE THE REST TOO!!!! I have done NOTHING! I kept refusing to do
anything. Don't pin it on me <VBG>... I deserve no credit and no hassle! <VBG>

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>>1?You have made part of your palmtop shared, have you? (When you
run "net-up" that's one of the last things to show)<<

Yes - I have also found out that every time you share something
differently, they append to the share list. I now have 3 shared resources
on the palmtop!

>>2?Are you running "net view" from your desktop, or do you
content yourself with Windows on your PC?<<

I am only using Windows Explorer to see the palmtop. I get the error
message: "\\hp200lx is not accessible. The network request is not
supported" on the desktop.

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Axel Berger wrote:
> A lookup table to achieve what you can get simply by
> multiplying by 32

Strike that. I just realized that that is obviously not what you have
done, use the lookup to find the numerator to go above 32. What you are
looking up must be text constants like (in steps of one sixteenth)
                                '3/8
                                '7/16
                                '1/4
Your method also is more powerful as it can be made to include stuff
like 763/764. Now the interesting question: Limiting yourself to
denominators from 2 to 100, how would you go about generating such a
table? (As the difference between 45/46 and 46/47 is way smaller than
1/100 it is going to be a big one.)

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At 11/29/02-11:33 AM, Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE> wrote:
> > Good enough for me to call programming.
>
>Huh? Not only is it not programming, it is bad, really bad. A lookup
>table to achieve what you can get simply by multiplying by 32 plus
>perhaps a bit of rounding? And then you only have the trivial result.
>You can of course give a result as 8/32, but only if you really don`t
>find a way to do it right.

Sorry, I am not getting into any religious wars, it is a waste of time. I
really apologize to you that I won't, but I really-really will not do it,
please forgive me.

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This is more of a DOS specific question, than just a HPLX question, but
perhaps someone can lead me to an answer.
I need to add specific line tags to a text file that I am exporting to
another program.  I need to add 'Send "' to the beginning of each and every
line, and '<cr>"' to the end of every line.  Does anyone know of any simple
way to do this automatically, or of any programs that would do such?
Any suggestions?


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Curtis Cameron wrote:

> For fractions, I'd like to have a way to enter them more naturally,
> like instead of "1 8/90+" for "90 1/8", since entering it directly
> would be ambiguous with standard RPN commands. Maybe something like
> "F90 1/8"? I'm looking for ideas.

   Supposedly RPN is unambiguous (one of the reasons it
was created).  As Avi pointed out, 90 1 8 / +, works and
should be intuitive.

Steve

BTW your web site asks for difficult Freecell games.
Tried 1941?

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Hi Curtis,

I'm echoing what Tony and Avi pointed out, the link to rpn 1.10 provides 1.0.
Thanks for the update, I can't wait to try it.

I've been away from my email for a day and I'm pleasantly surprised to see some
activity on this thread.

Axel, I know you were surprised at the need for computing fractions, but because
we use feet and inches in the US, all construction and woodworking here is based
on fractions of inches in powers of 2. The potential audience for this program
is quite large. When I was in high school they told us to prepare for the
conversion to the metric system, but it never happened. Auto mechanics must have
2 sets of tools if they want to work on American cars and non-American cars.
It's obvious how much the metric system simplifies things but changing a system,
a way of thinking, is not so easy. Thanks for your 123 worksheet, it's a work of
art and I will spend some time with it (and Tony's) to learn something from it.

Regards,
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> For fractions, I'd like to have a way to enter them more
naturally,
> like instead of "1 8/90+" for "90 1/8", since entering it
directly
> would be ambiguous with standard RPN commands. Maybe something
like
> "F90 1/8"? I'm looking for ideas.

When this first came up I started modifying a copy of old rpn
calculator program I did a long time ago to work as a carpenter's
calculator.  Just playing around.  I don't know what else would be
required for a carpenter's calculator beyond fractions.

It was easy for me to allow natural entry because I required spaces
between items.  Because of that an entry like 1/8 is taken as a
single number and handled by a routine that converts to double.

I think spaces between parameters is the key.  By not requiring
them I think you've kind of hemmed yourself in.  Spaces are used on
the HP48 to seperate items on a single line.  Also they're used in
the forth language.  I'm used to that so it never really occurred
to me not to use spaces.  It seems more natural to me and makes the
parser easier to write and to expand.

Another problem with not using spaces is that it's harder to look
at what you've entered so far and be sure it's ok.  That's not a
big issue in your calculator since it uses multi-line entry but it
is in mine since everything is entered on the command line.

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04h01m ago Curtis Cameron wrote:

> You set it to this mode by entering 'frac[n]', where the
> largest denominator you want to see is 2^n. Does this
> make sense?

We concentrated on the 2^n denominators here because of the use
in carpentry. And they are an easy subset to handle in 123 and
solver. But, with looping available to you it may be just as
easy to display any decimal as a fraction - which would
include the 2^n denominators if they apply. You could base the
calc on the FIX[n] in force.

[no no, I take this back - see below]

> It displays "18.8125"
> Enter "frac5"        (set FRAC mode, with 32 as largest denominator)
> It displays "18 13/16"

This is really excellent - to automatically keep the integer part separate.
On the HP48SX I need to take the fractional part and then
apply the "D->F" and then recombine the fraction with the
integer for display.

> Enter "2/"           (divide by two)
> It displays "9 13/32"

Very nice!

Actually, you know, on second thoughts it might be very useful
to stick with the 2^n denominators. Yes! It gives a special
feature! For example - here in New Zealand we copied some
Canadian legistation for Credit Contracts ("Truth in Lending"
in the USA) - and the law says we have to round finance rates
to the "nearest one-eighth of a percent". Perfect for
RPN.EXE!! I am sure there will be many other examples as well.

I have some old graph paper from the USA - and it *uses* a
grid of eighths instead of tenths!! I'm not sure how common
this is today, but yet another use for the 2^n :)

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Folks, if anyone uses Nokia 6310 and WWW/LX over IR would you kindly email
to me in private? I'd like to ask you to try a website for me over IR. A
customer seems to have a problem using IR with that phone and using WWW/LX v2.

Thanks in advance.

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Anyone knows of a tool to convert POST/LX mailboxes to/from MBX format?

TIA

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Anyone else getting extra copies of old email? I received this on Saturday,
and again just now (9:45 AM CST). I have also received a number of other
extra copies this AM.

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Anyone knows of a tool to convert POST/LX mailboxes to/from MBX format?

TIA

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 11:51 AM
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> At 11/29/02-11:33 AM, Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE> wrote:
> > > Good enough for me to call programming.
> >
> >Huh? Not only is it not programming, it is bad, really bad. A
lookup
> >table to achieve what you can get simply by multiplying by 32
plus
> >perhaps a bit of rounding? And then you only have the trivial
result.
> >You can of course give a result as 8/32, but only if you really
don`t
> >find a way to do it right.
>
> Sorry, I am not getting into any religious wars, it is a waste of
time. I
> really apologize to you that I won't, but I really-really will
not do it,
> please forgive me.

I wasn't trying to start a religious war.  I worked with a
development team at Lotus for several months to tailor one of their
subscription products to our specific requirements.

I picked up their vocabulary.  To them, programming in 123 meant
doing macros.  Laying out a spreadsheet, other than the macro part,
was layout.  I doubt this was anything official at Lotus but who
knows.  I worked with a bunch of them on-site here and at their
Dallas office and their terminology was pretty consistant.

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: RPN calculator enhanced to handle fractions


> I've updated RPN once more, to version 1.11. Now when you enter
> 90.12FRAC4, it displays 90 1/8 instead of 90. Also, instead of
"/?",
> use the "H" command anytime.

I was just trying your new help command and as I read it it
occurred to me that it's not entirey RPN.  FRACn for example.  Why
not n FRAC?  FIX is another example.  Why not 2 FIX?

Not a complaint.  It works fine.  But it seems inconsistant.

Another thing, and this would give me problems, is the use of
shortcuts like x for swap.  Why not just use the word swap?  I'd
forget x when I haven't used the calc for a while.  The same for c
and r.

I do realize I'm nitpicking.  Whether you change this or not I hope
you take it as helpful.  It's a good tool.  I've been using the one
I wrote and I'll probably start using yours instead.  Mine is
limited to whatever I can get on the command line.  It's often
useful to be able to decide what the next entry will be based on
the result of the last entry.  Mine won't let me do that.

Re-thinking the fraction entry question, since you already don't
require spaces, Axel gave an example from 123 using a ' to indicate
a string.  Why not use that to indicate that everything to the next
' or the next space is a single number?  Then you could have '1/8
and know it's a fraction.  Simple and readible.  Or use ( and ) for
that.  Not as clean but everyone's already used to it.

The 48 lets you put algebraic entry between ' and ' even within RPN
entries.

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I am also getting old emails from myself! The strange part is that my
outbox does not show the second mailing!!! Weird!!! I also see re-posts of
old posts from Tony.

At 12/2/02-09:47 AM, "Feldman, Robert" <Robert_Feldman@JDEDWARDS.COM> wrote:
>Anyone else getting extra copies of old email? I received this on Saturday,
>and again just now (9:45 AM CST). I have also received a number of other
>extra copies this AM.
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 7:51 AM
>To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
>Subject: MBX Format
>
>
>Anyone knows of a tool to convert POST/LX mailboxes to/from MBX format?
>
>TIA
>
>Avi
>
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Robert Feldman posted about it. I noticed it, but it was just a few, and I
also noticed one or two from Tony. So I got another one of these, and here
it is with headers! Seems to be some sort of bug or ???

I put the dual quoting in the front of each line...

It seems to have originated from me on 30 Nov. Arrived at UCONNVM. Then
went to "galactica.it" and picked up there December 2. And then seems to be
received by UCONNVM again from galactica.it on Dec 2.

I wonder if one of the list members is infected with some virus that turns
stuff around and resends it to where it came from?

I am sorry about this but it seems to be my name attached to it, but not my
handiwork.

Avi



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I created a small 123 spreadsheet a couple of years ago to convert mm to
inches plus fractions. It suggests several fractions, depending on the
accuracy you want. You can choose 1/8, 1/16, 1/32 or 1/64, and it tells you
how close in decimals that is to an exact match.

Upon reading this thread, I added an inches-only converter to the
spreadsheet.
You can input an expression such as 17 3/4 + 15 3/8 and get a result in
inches and fractions, e.g.  17+3/4+15+3/8=33 1/8. Or, 17+3/4-(15+3/8)=7/8
It's in wk1 format for the palmtop or I could convert it to something else
like xls if you want.

I also have a plain old drill number/fractional inches/mm/decimal inches
chart in wk1, xls and doc (MS Word) formats

If anyone wants either one of these, let me know.

John

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Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 4:52 PM
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--
Hi Barry

05h01m ago Barry wrote:
> Thats not really programming.  Using the @lookup() function
> it's just part of a formula.  It's really a good idea.
> A little rounding and scaling gives you an index.  It should
> be doable in a single formula, or two for readability, and
> the table.

OK I hammered out a formula for the best divisor (in d1
below), and the rest is easy :)

Basically a number in column A is exploded into 3 bits in
columns b-c-d

In 123

type a length into A1 - eg 15+13/32
(it displays in decimal)

then: -

b1 shows 15
c1       13
d1       32
e1       the decimal fraction (b1.e1 is just a1)

where:-
b1=@int(a1)
e1=+a1-b1
c1=+e1*d1
and
d1=
  2*@IF(@MOD(E1*2 ,2)=0,0,1)
+ 2*@IF(@MOD(E1*4 ,2)=0,0,1)
+ 4*@IF(@MOD(E1*8 ,2)=0,0,1)
+ 8*@IF(@MOD(E1*16,2)=0,0,1)
+16*@IF(@MOD(E1*32,2)=0,0,1)

b1-e1 can be copied down to b2-e2 and b3-e3
Another number can be typed in a2
a3=a1+a2 will show the sum, and columns b and d show the "b/d" for each
number in column a.

But I guess having a "cheat sheet" directly input and accessed
by lookup, would be more fun.

The formula could be used in Solver.
(after removing the '@')

I added a 4th row with 'a1-a2' in a4, to see the difference.
I haven't done multiplication and division <G>

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>-fwd+fyi ..
Make a fool of oneself with latest Microsoft virus..
"Known as Winevar, the worm is spreading via e-mail as an attachment that
infects computers running Windows. Winevar has a particularly rude tag,
displaying the message: Make a fool of oneself: What a foolish thing you've
done! If users press the ok button, they could lose all the files on their
computer." The real moral is only fools use Microsoft products to read their
mail. Read article...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2523387.stm

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Hi All,

A week or two back someone was asking for a utility to delete files by date.
It sounding like an interesting thing to code so I did. If anyone is
interested in a copy drop me a line OFF LIST PLEASE at

LTachna@att.net

It is a 14K file and only lightly tested.

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Hi all,

Version 1.20 is now available. It allows entry of fractions in the
form "90.1.8" for 90 1/8. Thanks to Katherine Wasserman for the
suggestion. Everything between the first dot and the last is the
numerator, so you could even enter "7.1.5.2" for 7 1.5/2, or 7 3/4.

And it allows input of numbers in scientific notation, like 6.02e23,
or 6.02e+23, or 1.3807e-23. Note that the use of '+' and '-' violates
the usual rule that they are operators, not unary signs, but after the
single 'e' it's not ambiguous. If you don't like it, then you can type
0.000000000000000000000013807.

Barry, I chose 'FIX2' instead of '2FIX' because that's how my 41C did
it. If you did '2FIX', I think it would be natural to expect that the
'2' be on the stack, which is usually not what you want.

What are people's thoughts on the range of values allowed? I could
make the .exe smaller by using Pascal's real data types, instead of
emulating the 8087 and using extended, but the range would be limited
to 1E38 instead of 1E4932. Is this important?

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Curtis, thanks for implementing the Wasserman notation, it's
fantastic. One small issue...

If there is no whole number to go with the fraction, an
incorrect answer results. If I try to add 12 3/4 and 9/16

rpn 12.3.4 9.16+frac5 (does not work)

rpn 12.3.4 0.9.16+frac5 (works great)

It would also be really cool if all entries were in fraction
notation, the output would be in fraction notation without the
need to enter the frac command. Just a thought. Thanks for all
you do!

Best Regards,
Tom Salwasser

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Subject: Re: RPN calculator enhanced to handle fractions


> What are people's thoughts on the range of values allowed? I
could
> make the .exe smaller by using Pascal's real data types, instead
of
> emulating the 8087 and using extended, but the range would be
limited
> to 1E38 instead of 1E4932. Is this important?

I don't think the exe is big enough for that to be any concern.
When you get over 200k, then there's a problem.  :)

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Hi to ALL

There is a small Shareware COPY replacement (cop.com size is 18k) that can be used
to copy files with reference to date.

If any one would like to test it, please email me or contact the author. It's an old
version and I don't have the author's email.

The help file is as follow :
--------------------------------

COP.COM - Enhanced File Copy Utility
          (C)Copyright Jeff R. Fontanesi, 1988

Usage: COP [d:][path]source [d:][path][target] [options]

Works like DOS COPY command with the following added features:
1. If a file of the same name is about to be overwritten during
   the copy or move process, the operator is asked whether to
   overwrite it, rename it or skip to the next file.
2. If a diskette becomes full during copy or move, the operator
   is asked to insert a new diskette and continue.
3. The following options are available:
   /A -------------- ASK if ok to process each file.
   /D ABENmm-dd-yy - DATE - (A)fter, (B)efore, (E)qual or (N)ot equal.
   /F filename ----- FIRST - start when this file found.
   /L filename ----- LAST - stop after this file processed.
   /M -------------- MOVE files (delete "source" after copy).
   /O -------------- OVERWRITE files with same name without asking.
   /P -------------- PAUSE when screen full.
   /R -------------- RENAME files with same name without asking.
   /S -------------- SKIP files with same name without asking.
   /T ABENhh:mmAP -- TIME - (A)fter, (B)efore, (E)qual or (N)ot equal.

COP is distributed under the SHAREWARE concept.  If after a trial period
you decide to keep and use this program,  please send your $10 registration
or $20 registration, disk and printed manual fee to:

Jeff R. Fontanesi
1770 Sherry Ln., #89
Santa Ana, CA  92701

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END help

Kind regards

Eduardo Cesana
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>    /D ABENmm-dd-yy - DATE - (A)fter, (B)efore, (E)qual or (N)ot
equal.

Since it uses a 2 digit year, is it Y2K safe?

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Barry wrote:
> Programming in 123 usually refers to macros.
>
> But I doubt there's any dictionary that will support me so ok. :)

The discussion started with an enhancement request for Curtis's
command line calculator to support fractions.  I wasn't thinking
of 123 when I refuted the claim that look up tables were bad.  I
would think a look up table would be more difficult to implement
in a macro language like 123 but I'm sure someone clever could
take this as a challenge and do it.  I don't use 123 so I won't.

Cheers... Russ

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Hi all,

Version 1.10 of the RPN command-line calculator is available at my web
site, http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx/ .

New features are:
* arccos, arcsin functions added
* factorial, combinations, permutations added
* new display mode: fractions. The fractions works like the
fixed-point, scientific, or engineering display modes. You set it to
this mode by entering 'frac[n]', where the largest denominator you
want to see is 2^n. Does this make sense? With the other notations,
you can enter for example FIX4 to see four decimal places. If you
enter FRAC4, then you'll see fractions, where the largest number in
the denominator is 16. The denominator will always be a power of two,
by the way. With that in mind, here is what you might enter, and what
the calculator displays:

Enter "15 16/14+"    (this is 14 15/16)
It displays "14.9375"
Enter "7 8/3+"       (this is 3 7/8)
It displays "3.8750"
Enter "+"            (add them)
It displays "18.8125"
Enter "frac5"        (set FRAC mode, with 32 as largest denominator)
It displays "18 13/16"
Enter "2/"           (divide by two)
It displays "9 13/32"

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Russel Brooks" <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM>
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Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: RPN command-line calculator


> Barry wrote:
> > Programming in 123 usually refers to macros.
> >
> > But I doubt there's any dictionary that will support me so ok.
:)
>
> The discussion started with an enhancement request for Curtis's
> command line calculator to support fractions.  I wasn't thinking
> of 123 when I refuted the claim that look up tables were bad.  I
> would think a look up table would be more difficult to implement
> in a macro language like 123 but I'm sure someone clever could
> take this as a challenge and do it.  I don't use 123 so I won't.

123 has a lookup function. theres no need for a macro or any
implementation.

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2 days 09h13m ago Tom Salwasser wrote:

> For example, I need to add 3/8 and 9/16. Intuitively we know the
> answer is 15/16. To do this in RPN enter this:
>
> RPN 3 8/ 9 16/ + 16 *
>
> The answer would be 15.

Tom, in case you or someone else wants a solver eqn for this,
the one below works like this:

3 8/ 9 16/ + F2(Input) F3(num) and you see

Input= 0.9375
num  =15.0000
denom=16.0000
resid= 0.0000

The "resid" just shows if there was any error. For example
10.1 F2 F3 produces 13/128 with resid=0.001563 (as 13/128 was
the nearest approximation to 0.1)

It seems to work quite well with RPN - you can't see the stack
but the bottom row keys work fine (zxcvbnm).

Here is the binfrac.eqn:

{binfrac|0*(L(x,int((Input-int(Input))*128+.5)/128)+num+denom+resid
+L(denom,2^(SIGMA(i,1,7,1,sgn(MOD(g(x)*2^i,2))))))
+num-g(x)*g(denom)+0*L(resid,num/denom- Input+int(Input))}

All the work is done on the second line inside the SIGMA - the
rest is pretty much for making the display look reasonable.
The finest resolution is 1/128th - but that could be made a
variable as well.

There is another RPN calculator I have never seen mentioned -
the old "dc" on unix. That must date from the way back around
1970. Before the days of HP RPN calcs! It is really quaint to
use! To see the top of the stack you need to press "p" - so if
you type 1 1 + it just disappears<G>. There is a version in
the MKS tollkit that works on the palmtop.

> Is there any way I can enter larger numbers like 22 3/8 and 6
> 7/16 and have RPN give me the sum or difference in fraction
> form? Just a thought.

3 ENTER 8/ 22+ STO 1 7 ENTER 16/ 6+ + F2 F3 shows
Input=28.8125
num  =13.0000
denom=16.0000
then RCL 1 RCL 2 - F2 F3 shows 15.9375 ,15, 16

-Tony
 http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/th/ for:
 POSTPDU ROBONEWS/LX ROBOWEB GOPRICES CLOCKS POSTH PTHREAD

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I did'n check the program for Y2K bug, but evr since It has been very helpfull for
many targets.


Eduardo Cesana
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>    /D ABENmm-dd-yy - DATE - (A)fter, (B)efore, (E)qual or (N)ot
> equal.
>
> Since it uses a 2 digit year, is it Y2K safe?
>
> Barry

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Barry wrote:
> 123 has a lookup function. theres no need for a macro or any
> implementation.

My 123 ignorance shines through.  :-)

However the simplicity offered by the command line RPN,EXE
seems to be completely lost when you start running 123.

Cheers... Russ

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> Barry wrote:
> > 123 has a lookup function. theres no need for a macro or any
> > implementation.
>
> My 123 ignorance shines through.  :-)
>
> However the simplicity offered by the command line RPN,EXE
> seems to be completely lost when you start running 123.

I agree.  I'd much prefer something for the command line.  I'm
never in Sysmgr anyway.

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Date:         Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:54:19 -0500
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Hi All,

A week or two back someone was asking for a utility to delete files by date.
It sounding like an interesting thing to code so I did. If anyone is
interested in a copy drop me a line OFF LIST PLEASE at

LTachna@att.net

It is a 14K file and only lightly tested.

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Has anyone used MochaPPP with IR and not via a cable on a com port?

      /tomas moberg
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I hardly get to read this wonderful digest lately due to pressures of
work, plus my trusty sidekick has not been clamouring for attention.

But, this thread caught my eye when I was perusing my filter script output
(mix bag of sed, grep, awk etc), which among other things, adds in proper
line feeds etc to make my incoming mail Eudora .mbx compliant.

FWIW, I am using MKS Toolkit 4.2 on my LX.  This is the last 16bit
version (not Y2k compliant, but there are ways around that), cost me
a pretty penny some 8 years back (Win3.1 days).

Works wonderfully - I used to write and debug scripts on my (then) 100LX
and copy it over to my HP-UX machines, and the scripts always worked the
first time around.  This is good tool to ease the transition from Unix
to Windoze.  There are other similar tools around, some for free,
some not.

Cheers
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Date:         Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:39:08 -0600
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Hi all,

Version 1.20 is now available. It allows entry of fractions in the
form "90.1.8" for 90 1/8. Thanks to Katherine Wasserman for the
suggestion. Everything between the first dot and the last is the
numerator, so you could even enter "7.1.5.2" for 7 1.5/2, or 7 3/4.

And it allows input of numbers in scientific notation, like 6.02e23,
or 6.02e+23, or 1.3807e-23. Note that the use of '+' and '-' violates
the usual rule that they are operators, not unary signs, but after the
single 'e' it's not ambiguous. If you don't like it, then you can type
0.000000000000000000000013807.

Barry, I chose 'FIX2' instead of '2FIX' because that's how my 41C did
it. If you did '2FIX', I think it would be natural to expect that the
'2' be on the stack, which is usually not what you want.

What are people's thoughts on the range of values allowed? I could
make the .exe smaller by using Pascal's real data types, instead of
emulating the 8087 and using extended, but the range would be limited
to 1E38 instead of 1E4932. Is this important?

--
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>-fwd+fyi ..
Make a fool of oneself with latest Microsoft virus..
"Known as Winevar, the worm is spreading via e-mail as an attachment that
infects computers running Windows. Winevar has a particularly rude tag,
displaying the message: Make a fool of oneself: What a foolish thing you've
done! If users press the ok button, they could lose all the files on their
computer." The real moral is only fools use Microsoft products to read their
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Hello listers,


since i recently was a bit harsh with my 700lx i have some trouble with the
display (see posts some time ago). No I'm trying to fix it, but I cannot get
the hinge tube off my 700lx. Has anydone done that before, can you please
tell me how. I removed the 2 screws but it's still getting hold by plastic
clips. I'm scared of breaking those clips for I cannot get them of.



Thanks,


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Date:         Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:29:22 +0100
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Thanks,

but the hinge of the 700lx is definetly not the same as the 200lx-hinge.

[n]
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Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: HP700lx dismantling help please


> If they are like the 200lx, you need to sqeeze them starting from the left
side (if you were facing the screen).  It does take
> alot of effort, but they aren't likely to break as long as you are
squeezing them relatively tightly.
>
> When you get to the right hinge there is a pin that is sometimes rather
hard to extract, using a small screwdriver and carefully
> prying it out works, just try not to scratch the plastic casing.
>
> Of course, make sure the hinge caps are removed first !
>
> Eric
>
> Check out Daniel's pages:
> http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/repair/dismantle.shtml
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Niels" <hp700lx@SOFTHOME.NET>
> To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:08 PM
> Subject: HP700lx dismantling help please
>
>
> Hello listers,
>
>
> since i recently was a bit harsh with my 700lx i have some trouble with
the
> display (see posts some time ago). No I'm trying to fix it, but I cannot
get
> the hinge tube off my 700lx. Has anydone done that before, can you please
> tell me how. I removed the 2 screws but it's still getting hold by plastic
> clips. I'm scared of breaking those clips for I cannot get them of.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Niels
>
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Date:         Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:13:27 -0500
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Try this page to start:

http://www.hplx.net/feature.700lx.html

On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:29:22 +0100, Niels wrote:

>Thanks,

>but the hinge of the 700lx is definetly not the same as the 200lx-hinge.

>[n]
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>To: "Niels" <hp700lx@SOFTHOME.NET>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 8:21 PM
>Subject: Re: HP700lx dismantling help please




Tom Cannard  <cannard@bellatlantic.net>
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I'm looking for a shareware utility that will delete files using parameters
read from a file list. Anyone have favorites?

Thanks,
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Date:         Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:54:54 -0700
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A while ago Jean-Pierre recommended a utility called locate.com from
http://members.cox.net/dos/filefind.htm#locate

I played with it for a while on my desktop and liked it, so I moved it to
my double-speed LX. When I run locate /? from a DOS prompt, though, the
screen goes blank and no combination of keys will bring it back. I have to
reboot. Changing the contrast doesn't help.

Am I missing something obvious?

Thanks,
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53m ago Donald Puscher wrote:

> When I run locate /? from a DOS prompt, though, the screen
> goes blank and no combination of keys will bring it back.

Typing

cls

will bring it back.

It is some sort of display problem - harmless (I assume), but
useless on the palmtop.

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Hi Tony Hutchins (me - no no this is not a case of the
listserv having baked beans for dinner <g>)

20m ago Tony Hutchins wrote:

> --
> 53m ago Donald Puscher wrote:
>
> > When I run locate /? from a DOS prompt, though, the screen
> > goes blank and no combination of keys will bring it back.
>
> Typing
>
> cls
>
> will bring it back.
>
> It is some sort of display problem - harmless (I assume), but
> useless on the palmtop.

I take that back. Indeed not useless at all!

LOCATE /nv /?

works just fine on the palmtop
(no video BIOS calls).

You need to include the /nv on every command-line on the
palmtop - and I think it will need to be the *first* switch.
For example 'locate /? /nv' is no good.

If you always have a file spec you can use PLOC.BAT and run
PLOC - where ploc.bat is
locate %1 /nv %2 %3 %4 %5
(should be enough switches)
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Date:         Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:47:19 -0500
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Hello All,

I am running a few short  3 day auctions on a 1MB 200LXs if anyone is interested:

Bidding starts at a penny and no reserve for all units.

The first auction is running now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3734&item=1943466646&rd=1

The other auctions (4 total) will start over the next few days...all of them are 3 days long.  Just click on (view sellers other
auctions) or :
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=battlequest.com

Regards,
Eric
PS(First auction ends this Sunday(12/8/02), the last auction will end on Wednesday (12/11/02)....Still enough time to get it for
the Holidays !!!  8-D)

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Date:         Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:51:21 -0500
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Correction, first auction ends on Saturday (12/07/02).


----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric" <HPLX@BattleQuest.com>
To: "Eric" <HPLX@BattleQuest.com>; <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:47 PM
Subject: FA: HP 200 LX (1MB) Units - No reserve, bidding starts at a penny


Hello All,

I am running a few short  3 day auctions on a 1MB 200LXs if anyone is interested:

Bidding starts at a penny and no reserve for all units.

The first auction is running now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3734&item=1943466646&rd=1

The other auctions (4 total) will start over the next few days...all of them are 3 days long.  Just click on (view sellers other
auctions) or :
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=battlequest.com

Regards,
Eric
PS(First auction ends this Sunday(12/8/02), the last auction will end on Wednesday (12/11/02)....Still enough time to get it for
the Holidays !!!  8-D)

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Another correction:  Last auction ends on Thursday (12/12/02)  but still enough time to get it for the Holidays !!!  ;-)

BTW, Sorry for so many posts .

Regards,
Eric

----- CORRECTED Original Message -----

Hello All,

I am running a few short  3 day auctions on a 1MB 200LXs if anyone is interested:

Bidding starts at a penny and no reserve for all units.

The first auction is running now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3734&item=1943466646&rd=1

The other auctions (4 total) will start over the next few days...all of them are 3 days long.  Just click on (view sellers other
auctions) or :
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=battlequest.com

Regards,
Eric
PS(First auction ends this Sunday(12/7/02), the last auction will end on Wednesday (12/12/02)....Still enough time to get it for
the Holidays !!!  8-D)

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Date:         Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:25:07 +0100
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From:         Niels <hp700lx@SOFTHOME.NET>
Subject:      Re: HP700lx dismantling help please
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Thanks, but I got this far.

What I want is to separate the screen from the rest of the unit, so I can
disassemble the screen as well, for it misses lines, which I want to fix (or
at least, try to...).


Niels

[n]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas E. Cannard" <cannard@BELLATLANTIC.NET>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: HP700lx dismantling help please


> Try this page to start:
>
> http://www.hplx.net/feature.700lx.html
>
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:29:22 +0100, Niels wrote:
>
> >Thanks,
>
> >but the hinge of the 700lx is definetly not the same as the 200lx-hinge.
>
> >[n]
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Eric" <HPLX@BattleQuest.com>
> >To: "Niels" <hp700lx@SOFTHOME.NET>
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 8:21 PM
> >Subject: Re: HP700lx dismantling help please
>
>
>
>
> Tom Cannard  <cannard@bellatlantic.net>
> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~cannard
> (610) 583-7969 (work)
>
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Hi Donald,

I had the same problem but found out that it needs /NV as a first paramet=
er
after the request(I don't remember what that stands for and don't have th=
e
documentation at hand here in my office). Try e.g locate *.bat /NV and it=

will work

Jean-Pierre Beekhuis

> -- Original Message --
> Date:         Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:54:54 -0700
> Reply-To:     Donald Puscher <dpuscher@QUALCOMM.COM>
> From:         Donald Puscher <dpuscher@QUALCOMM.COM>
> Subject:      LOCATE problem
> To:           HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>
>
> A while ago Jean-Pierre recommended a utility called locate.com from
> http://members.cox.net/dos/filefind.htm#locate
>
> I played with it for a while on my desktop and liked it, so I moved it
to
> my double-speed LX. When I run locate /? from a DOS prompt, though, the=

> screen goes blank and no combination of keys will bring it back. I have=

to
> reboot. Changing the contrast doesn't help.
>
> Am I missing something obvious?
>
> Thanks,
> Don
>
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Hi Donald,

Here is some more info:
To get the options screen on your Palmtop type: locate /NV /?
I just checked the text file after downloading the zip file in my office
and it says:

/NV   No Video BIOS calls

You will see that the utility is very well done and displays perfectly!
I think it should really be on the SUPER too!

Jean-Pierre Beekhuis

> -- Original Message --
> Date:         Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:54:54 -0700
> Reply-To:     Donald Puscher <dpuscher@QUALCOMM.COM>
> From:         Donald Puscher <dpuscher@QUALCOMM.COM>
> Subject:      LOCATE problem
> To:           HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>
>
> A while ago Jean-Pierre recommended a utility called locate.com from
> http://members.cox.net/dos/filefind.htm#locate
>
> I played with it for a while on my desktop and liked it, so I moved it
to
> my double-speed LX. When I run locate /? from a DOS prompt, though, the=

> screen goes blank and no combination of keys will bring it back. I have=

to
> reboot. Changing the contrast doesn't help.
>
> Am I missing something obvious?
>
> Thanks,
> Don
>
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Hi Donald,

Can't you use locate to do the job? If you let it create a list of specia=
l
documents (narrowed by some parameters)and add the /K it will show you al=
l
those documents one by one and ask for deletion.
e.g. locate /NV /D:T-1 /K gives lists all files created in the past 24 ho=
urs
and asks for deletion (one by one). When you try programs and they create=

files that you don't know about, this one is useful.

But maybe you are looking for something quite different.

P.S. Sorry Tony: I hadn't read your reply to Donald RE LOCATE and sent my=

own to early.

Jean-Pierre

> -- Original Message --
> Date:         Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:41:04 -0700
> Reply-To:     Donald Puscher <dpuscher@QUALCOMM.COM>
> From:         Donald Puscher <dpuscher@QUALCOMM.COM>
> Subject:      Delete Utility
> To:           HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>
>
> I'm looking for a shareware utility that will delete files using parame=
ters
> read from a file list. Anyone have favorites?
>
> Thanks,
> Don
>
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I use POST/LX to transfer sms messages and phone numbers
to my Nokia phone via the infrared port.   Everything works
fine on a Nokia 7110 which I have owned for about 2.5 years.

Recently I tried to upgrade the phone to a Nokia 8250.  Everything
works fine sms and phone number transfers except that the names on
the phone number transfers appear on the Nokia 8250 as Chinese
or Japanese characters (the numbers themselves are fine and sms
messages through the phone are also fine).

Does anyone have an explanation?   I have tried it one different 8250's
with the same result.   On higher end models the problems disappear.  I have
played around with the settings (eg forcing "English" on the phone) to no
avail.

Any help gratefully rec'd.

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Date:         Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:10:46 -0500
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Subject:      Re: FA:  HP 200 LX (1MB) Units - No reserve,
              bidding starts at a penny
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Ach! the ol' send-to-individual inste4ad of the group thing bites me
again!!! Well, FWIW read the stuff after the greater-than signs below.

----- Original Message -----
From: "eD\/ARd0 F/\KEn^M3" <cojonesdetoro@excite.com>
To: "Eric" <HPLX@BATTLEQUEST.COM>
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: FA: HP 200 LX (1MB) Units - No reserve, bidding starts at a
penny


> An FYI to all who care to know.
>
> I can vouch for Eric. We conducted an Ebay transaction and it went as well
> as any I've transaction I've done. He's a good Ebayer.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric" <HPLX@BATTLEQUEST.COM>
> To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:47 PM
> Subject: FA: HP 200 LX (1MB) Units - No reserve, bidding starts at a penny
>

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Thanks Tony! I guess I just didn't read through enough of the switches.
There are quite a few. That one appears on page 13!

My other question about the delete utility was related to this one. I'd
like to use LOCATE to clean up my disk using a batch file. The LOCATE docs
give the following example:

LOCATE c:\*.* /NV /0 /N > delme.lst   Create a list of 0 length files (I
added the /NV)
[delete utility] @delme.lst           Delete them
del delme.lst                         Delete the list

The delete utility has to be able to read files from a list. Not all of
them do.

I know there are probably MANY other ways of doing this. I want to figure
out how to do it THIS way.

Thanks again,
Don


Tony Hutchins wrote:
<SNIP>
>I take that back. Indeed not useless at all!
>
>LOCATE /nv /?
>
>works just fine on the palmtop
>(no video BIOS calls).
>
>You need to include the /nv on every command-line on the
>palmtop - and I think it will need to be the *first* switch.
>For example 'locate /? /nv' is no good.
>
>If you always have a file spec you can use PLOC.BAT and run
>PLOC - where ploc.bat is
>locate %1 /nv %2 %3 %4 %5
>(should be enough switches)

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Hi Don

04h54m ago Donald Puscher wrote:

> I played with it for a while on my desktop and liked it, so I moved it to
> my double-speed LX. When I run locate /? from a DOS prompt, though, the
> screen goes blank and no combination of keys will bring it back. I have to
> reboot. Changing the contrast doesn't help.
>

Some programs change screen fonts and don't switch thm back when they
quit. Try the command
mode co80
after locate /? may be finished.
If that doesn't help, the palmtop is probably really locked up.

daniel

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10h05m ago Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:

> P.S. Sorry Tony: I hadn't read your reply to Donald RE
> LOCATE and sent my own to early.

But JP my reply wasn't worth reading - yours was much better!
This always happens here - it's great as we get different
takes on a problem.

Seems like the list itself has stopped repeating messages
again.

The repeats have 2 headers with a big time lapse, like this:

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          Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Tue, 3 Dec 2002 05:45:13 +0100
Received:  by UConnVM.UConn.Edu (IBM VM SMTP Level 310) via spool with SMTP id
           5836 ; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 23:45:39 EST

It's as if this "galactica.it" receives the message a day late
and "galamonitor.galactica.it" re-sends it - galamonitor seems
like a forwarder. It could well be part of the listserv system
- a sort of backup. It would be interesting to know what
triggers it - sure makes the list hard to read.

BTW Curtis has RPN.ZIP V1.21 on his site now.

- Tony

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galactica.it was doing this in September also. This is an Italian site, so
perhaps one of our Italian list members can help us out in tracking down the
problem.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Hutchins [mailto:th@PARADISE.NET.NZ]
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 3:51 PM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: Re: Delete Utility

<snip>
It's as if this "galactica.it" receives the message a day late
and "galamonitor.galactica.it" re-sends it - galamonitor seems
like a forwarder. It could well be part of the listserv system
- a sort of backup. It would be interesting to know what
triggers it - sure makes the list hard to read.
<snip>

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Hi Tony,

No, no, your reply was first :)) and I said the same thing! But to stay =
with
the subject: locate is really good in narrowing the search for files that
one usually wants to delete. I believe it should be put on SUPER as it
displays and runs very well on a Palmtop (as long as you use /NV to begin
with..).

>         Tony Hutchins wrote:

> 10h05m ago Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:
>
> Seems like the list itself has stopped repeating messages
> again.
>
> The repeats have 2 headers with a big time lapse, like this:
>
> Received: from UConnVM.UConn.Edu ([137.99.26.3]) by galactica.it  with
>           Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Tue, 3 Dec 2002 05:45:13 =
+0100
> Received:  by UConnVM.UConn.Edu (IBM VM SMTP Level 310) via spool with =
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> It's as if this "galactica.it" receives the message a day late
> and "galamonitor.galactica.it" re-sends it - galamonitor seems
> like a forwarder. It could well be part of the listserv system
> - a sort of backup. It would be interesting to know what
> triggers it - sure makes the list hard to read.

I thought of a kind of "spam" filter that someone could have set who
forgot how to unsubcribe the list. In my webmail e.g. I can set filters =
for
email addresses and have the email sent back to the originator without
comments. Perhaps someone@galactica.it has now been removed from the =
list.
At least it became very quiet....! This would not explain the time lapse
though.

> BTW Curtis has RPN.ZIP V1.21 on his site now.

Yes I downloaded it today. It's a great tool that I put on the DOS path =
so I
always have it at reach. I am not sure if the idea using dots to indicate
fractions was the best. It conflicts visually with the decimal point.

I enjoy the thoughts, reactions and works of all these HPLXL'ers that I =
got
to know in the relatively short period since I subscribed. Hereby thanks =
to
Curtis!

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It seems to me that we have a member here whose email server is
galactica.it. Perhaps Al can track that person down and notify the member
of the problem?

Avi

At 12/5/02-04:17 PM, "Feldman, Robert" <Robert_Feldman@JDEDWARDS.COM> wrote:
>galactica.it was doing this in September also. This is an Italian site, so
>perhaps one of our Italian list members can help us out in tracking down the
>problem.
>
>Bob
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 3:51 PM
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>
><snip>
>It's as if this "galactica.it" receives the message a day late
>and "galamonitor.galactica.it" re-sends it - galamonitor seems
>like a forwarder. It could well be part of the listserv system
>- a sort of backup. It would be interesting to know what
>triggers it - sure makes the list hard to read.
><snip>
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01h23m ago Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:

> locate is really good in narrowing the search for files
> that one usually wants to delete. I believe it should be
> put on SUPER as it displays and runs very well on a Palmtop
> (as long as you use /NV to begin with..).

Yep I agree - send it to super@palmtop.net :)
The /NV trick could go in the caption.

> I thought of a kind of "spam" filter that someone could have
> set who forgot how to unsubcribe the list.

That is possible, I guess. I do wonder about the role of
galamonitor.galactica.it -

> > BTW Curtis has RPN.ZIP V1.21 on his site now.
>
> Yes I downloaded it today. It's a great tool that I put on
> the DOS path so I always have it at reach. I am not sure if
> the idea using dots to indicate fractions was the best. It
> conflicts visually with the decimal point.

That was originally HP's invention - for the HP32SII.
Unfortunately HP have stopped making that calc - but.. I think
I found one for sale cheaply here and may have a look at it.
Curtis has packed a lot into a small RPN.EXE. I found an old
RPN calc called 'CALC.EXE' written by John Kennedy back in
1994. He's a math teacher from California, and one of the
fathers of the famous PPC ROM for the HP41 (from back in
1981/82). His CALC.EXE runs fine on the palmtop if mono8025 is
run first... but it is 224K. I found it at:
http://archives.math.utk.edu/software/msdos/college.algebra/jkcalc.htm

It gave me an error when I tried it on an NT laptop - probably
because the DOS there is emulated.

> I enjoy the thoughts, reactions and works of all these
> HPLXL'ers that I got to know in the relatively short period
> since I subscribed. Hereby thanks to Curtis!

Yep, there's many a gem at
http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx/

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What is the most comprehensive and complete dictionary that
will run on the LX?

Bob
--
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http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/   His name...  Isaiah 9:6

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Thomas,

> Has anyone used MochaPPP with IR and not via a cable on a com port?

Yes, I did and it works between my Libretto 50CT and my 200LX. You have =
to
configure Mocha to use the redirected Laptop IR Port (COM2 or COM3) and
WWW/LX to use IR (Port -1). I described the process a few months ago =
(look up
the archives).

It is a usefull setup when the PCMCIA modem fits into the Laptop but =
would
demand too much power when inserted in the 200LX.

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--
Hi Tony Hutchins

07h12m ago Tony Hutchins wrote:

> 1981/82). His CALC.EXE runs fine on the palmtop if mono8025 is
> run first... but it is 224K. I found it at:
> http://archives.math.utk.edu/software/msdos/college.algebra/jkcalc.htm
>
> It gave me an error when I tried it on an NT laptop - probably
> because the DOS there is emulated.

http://homepage.smc.edu/kennedy_john/JKMSDOS.ZIP

has a letter version of CALC (334K), plus MATRIX
which does run under NT.

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Hi Bob,

The Collins English Dictionary and Thesaurus is very comprehensive and ru=
ns
well (but a bit slow) on the Palmtop if it gets a looottt of memory. I us=
e
"cgahelp" (screen utility on SUPER I believe) to have a better b/w displa=
y.
The Dictinary is sold by Thaddeus Computing.

Jan Pieter Beekhuis

> -- Original Message --
> Date:         Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:14:18 -0700
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> From:         "Robert K. Meyer" <bmeyer@UNION-TEL.COM>
> Subject:      Dictionaries - What Is Best
> To:           HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>
>
> What is the most comprehensive and complete dictionary that
> will run on the LX?
>
> Bob
> --
> R.K. Meyer MSEE K7PPC bmeyer@union-tel.com Elk Mountain WY
> http://w3.union-tel.com/~bmeyer/   His name...  Isaiah 9:6
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the display also acts normally sometimes
but sometimes not :(

so i think it's a lose contact or so


*anyone who can tell me how to get the screen of my 700lx?


thanx,


Niels

[n]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas E. Cannard" <cannard@bellatlantic.net>
To: "Niels" <hp700lx@SOFTHOME.NET>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: uhoh...strange display thingies


> The only time I have ever seen an LCD screen do this is if the glass
breaks and
> the solution containing the Liquid Crystals escapes and gets on the
polarizing
> screen.  It sounds like you will probably need a new screen.  I have seen
> a couple of these units recently on ebay.  Good luck!
>
> On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:06:09 +0100, Niels wrote:
>
> >Hello friends,
>
> >I just encountered some strange thing...
>
> >Usually when I have my LX with me and I take the car, I just have the
> >lx..it's all I usually need. I put it on the ground before the other
seat.
> >So I did the same yesterday. Since I like to drive like in computer games
:)
> >my LX floats around on the floor of the car. I always thought my LX was
> >tough enough to resist that, but this time I've gone to far...
> >I just turned it on and...missing lines, some lines way too black ... not
> >really a nice thing to discover. I shook it a little and the display
> >changed, clearly some kind of lose contact, which I'll try to fix asap.
> >But I also saw a few times, about 1 - 1.5 cm in the bottom of the screen
a
> >LARGE DARKBLUE BAR .... first I thought, it might be something
overpowering
> >the LCD but I looked close and I could not see the different pixels...
and
> >it was really dark blue...? what the? does someone know what this
> >is...???(does the HP have a color display but we all did not know????
> ><grin>)
>
>
> >Niels
>
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>
>
> Tom Cannard  <cannard@bellatlantic.net>
> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~cannard
> (610) 583-7969 (work)
>
>

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Niels wrote:
> *anyone who can tell me how to get the screen of my 700lx?

It has been some time and I am not going to take one of mine apart just
to remind myself, but I seem to remember that after taking off the foil
around the screen and undoing the four screws you can carefulls pry the
two halves of the lid apart far enaugh to take out the complete screen
assembly. One of mine, though a 200 in this case, with screen problems
worked perfectly again after cleaning the contacts and reassembly. They
are all surface contacts working through clamping the assembly into the
shell, so in your case something may well just have moved a little on
impact.

Axel

P.S: And always remeber the rule as applied by most "repairers": If
something you expect to move easily does not budge never search for a
reason, a bit of force and if that does not suffice brute force is
guaranteed to show results (of some kind or another).

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Hi Don,

>I'm looking for a shareware utility that will delete files using
parameters
>read from a file list. Anyone have favorites?
>
>Thanks,
>Don

I've got and have used an all purpose DOS utility called "fortune" that
is very good for many tasks like that.  It's extremely flexible and
powerful, but may be more powerful than you really need for now.  I would
encourage you to check it out for immediate or future use though since it
is free for noncommercial use.

I don't remember if it's available on SUPER, but if it isn't, I'd be
happy to send a zipped copy as an attachment to a private emaiI to you
and/or whoever is handling SUPER right now.  It's 72K zipped. (I don't
currently have live access to the Internet)

Cheers!

John Vander Stel
Grand Rapids, Michigan


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Hello Axel,

I cannot get the font of my display, because it is still locked in the
hinge. From the battery compartment I can unscrew two screws which hold the
hinge, but the hinge is still hold by plastic clips, and that's the
problem... I cannot get it off without fearing they would break, which I
certainly do not want to do. Pehaps there is some 'trick' for this kind of
clips, I don't know. But they are pretty firmly there. I cannot explain how
it is, but maybe one of my fellow 700-lx-ers knows how to work it.


Thanks,


Niels

[n]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Axel Berger" <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: uhoh...strange display thingies


> Niels wrote:
> > *anyone who can tell me how to get the screen of my 700lx?
>
> It has been some time and I am not going to take one of mine apart just
> to remind myself, but I seem to remember that after taking off the foil
> around the screen and undoing the four screws you can carefulls pry the
> two halves of the lid apart far enaugh to take out the complete screen
> assembly. One of mine, though a 200 in this case, with screen problems
> worked perfectly again after cleaning the contacts and reassembly. They
> are all surface contacts working through clamping the assembly into the
> shell, so in your case something may well just have moved a little on
> impact.
>
> Axel
>
> P.S: And always remeber the rule as applied by most "repairers": If
> something you expect to move easily does not budge never search for a
> reason, a bit of force and if that does not suffice brute force is
> guaranteed to show results (of some kind or another).
>
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I second the choice of Collins from Thaddeus.

Hands down better than almost anything else, but it does have a slight English
bias (it is called the Collins English Dictionary) that occasionally omits
words of common usage in the US, tho specific examples escape me at the moment.

I think there are also some issues about running it in low-res mode (ie large
fonts), so the default LX zoom mode makes for squinty reading if your eyes
aren't what they used to be.

- Longden

> What is the most comprehensive and complete dictionary that
> will run on the LX?
>
> Bob

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One last note:  I just wanted eveyone to know that I am willing to ship worldwide, so these auctions are open to everyone (that
has a Paypal account). International shipping/insurance cost is whatever www.UPS.com says it will be...no handling fee or
anything.  Flat rate of $5.50 for lower 48 in US.

2 auctions have already started and 2 more will start by Sunday.:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=battlequest.com

Regards,
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At 12/6/02-08:20 AM, Niels <hp700lx@SOFTHOME.NET> wrote:
>Hello Axel,
>
>I cannot get the font of my display, because it is still locked in the
>hinge. From the battery compartment I can unscrew two screws which hold the

Reading this at first I thought you lost it all!!! <vbg> But I took another
look to realize you must have meant "fRont of my display" not "font of my
display" <VBG> - I had a good chuckle! Made my day...

Avi

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[n]
----- Original Message -----
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To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: uhoh...strange display thingies


> At 12/6/02-08:20 AM, Niels <hp700lx@SOFTHOME.NET> wrote:
> >Hello Axel,
> >
> >I cannot get the font of my display, because it is still locked in the
> >hinge. From the battery compartment I can unscrew two screws which hold
the
>
> Reading this at first I thought you lost it all!!! <vbg> But I took
another
> look to realize you must have meant "fRont of my display" not "font of my
> display" <VBG> - I had a good chuckle! Made my day...

My pleasure <bg> hehe ;)


sorry for the typo folks...

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The PC keyboard uses a synchronous serial interface controlled by the=20
microcontroller in the PC.  To hook a keyboard directly into the LX, you =
need=20
a microcontroller with 2 I/O lines to talk to the keyboard and a UART or =
2=20
more I/O lines to talk to the RS-232 port on the LX.  The hardware is pre=
tty=20
trivial, the software in the converter isn't too involved either.  You st=
ill=20
need a piece of software on the LX to use the keycodes sent to it.  I'm n=
ot=20
sure if a program is floating around the web for that.  Atmel semiconduct=
or=20
(www.atmel.com) makes a microcontroller family called the AVR.  They have=
 an=20
appnote: AVR313 Interfacing the PCAT Keyboard =20
(www.atmel.com/atmel/acrobat/doc1235.pdf) which documents some of the=20
hardware and software needed on the keyboard end of things. =20

HTH,
Tom

On Monday 25 November 2002 13:36, you wrote:
> a keyboard is some sorta serial connection but really don't know how mu=
ch
> it is compatible with the rs232 standard...if it (can be made) compatib=
le
> easily it would be really simple since there are some peeps here who ar=
e
> good at writing drivers ;) ok for them it would be tougher okay :D
>
>
>
> Niels
>
> [n]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric" <HPLX@BATTLEQUEST.COM>
> To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Ext Keyboard (cont)
>
> > One potentially big problem is the lack of Function keys...It only ha=
s F1
>
> to F6.
>
> > Although this certainly could be worked around via Macros,Key stuffer=
s,
>
> etc...it would be a bit annoying.
>
> > Aren't there instuctions on the web for converting an ordinary ($10)
>
> keyboard for use with the 200LX?...I would think it would be
>
> > just a case of simple re-wiring and a driver.
> >
> > If so, someone must have done it.
> >
> > Eric
>
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From: <lloo@ATT.NET>
 | ....if your eyes aren't what they used to be.
|
| - Longden

When light is low and I forgot my glasses, Zoom (with MoreExm)
saves the moment, in many apps ( phonebook, appt...) where the
built in zoom provides no relief.

A word of warning: it may be totally unrelated, but since I
installed it (2weeks ago?) , on a few occasions, the palmtop
didn't go to sleep.Soft reboot, and all was back as it should
be. (64MB, DS, SW Carousel, Ace card driver, etc). No pattern
found yet.

Etienne

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Date:         Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:49:40 +0100
Reply-To:     Jan Pieter Beekhuis <beekhuis@TISCALI.CH>
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>         Niels wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Avi Meshar" <hplxmail@ALWAYSAFE.COM>
> To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 4:44 PM
> Subject: Re: uhoh...strange display thingies
>
> > At 12/6/02-08:20 AM, Niels <hp700lx@SOFTHOME.NET> wrote:
> > >Hello Axel,
> > >
> > >I cannot get the font of my display, because it is still locked in =
the
> > >hinge. From the battery compartment I can unscrew two screws which =
hold
> the
> >
> > Reading this at first I thought you lost it all!!! <vbg> But I took
> another
> > look to realize you must have meant "fRont of my display" not "font =
of my
> > display" <VBG> - I had a good chuckle! Made my day...

> sorry for the typo folks...

Why sorry??????? Some typos are very healthy!!!!!! Thanks for the typo.

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Date:         Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:23:18 +0200
Reply-To:     Daniel Hertrich <daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE>
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Hi Jan Pieter,

10h41m ago Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:

> one usually wants to delete. I believe it should be put on SUPER as it
> displays and runs very well on a Palmtop (as long as you use /NV to begin
> with..).

It would make things easiest for me if you would send me the ZIP file,
along with the necessary info (author, short description, version etc.)
to super@palmtop.net

Thanks
daniel [SUPER team]

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Date:         Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:52:05 +0100
Reply-To:     castrowo@TISCALI.ES
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I have for sale the items:

4 Mb 200HPLX
conexion cable and soft (cokmplete conectivity pack) (2 cables)
Smart fax/modem & 6 Mb built-in flash memory (PCMCIA card).
manual

250 $ =F3 Euro

Email me privately.

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C/S.Lorenzo, 1-3=BAB                                Tfno: +34 983 36 30 4=
2
47001 VALLADOLID                                        +34 661.974.982
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Date:         Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:23:18 +1300
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From:         Tony Hutchins <th@PARADISE.NET.NZ>
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2 days 03h26m ago Avi Meshar wrote:

> It seems to me that we have a member here whose email server
> is galactica.it. Perhaps Al can track that person down and
> notify the member of the problem?

Indeed we do - I reviewed the list by Country and saw:

giampi1@GALACTICA.IT                  Gian Pietro

All I can think of is that the address was set up to forward
all e-mail to the hplx-l. But it's strange that it happened
before.

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Date:         Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:34:38 -0600
Reply-To:     John Musielewicz <jmusielewicz@EARTHLINK.NET>
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The Sierra Wireless 555 wireless modem card has a typical operating current
consumption of 150 mA according to the specs. Has anyone tried to use it?

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Date:         Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:44:27 +0200
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Sun, 08.12.02 3:32 PM +0200

Hi friends,

I just sent out the latest HPLX Users Database update information.
As always, I got lots of bounces back, and I am not able to notify each
single user about that. In most cases the email address is simply
outdated, sometimes there is a spam filter thinking the HPLXUDB info
mail was spam, and of course there are other reasons - mailbox full
etc.
I have added the date/time of the last HPLXUDB update to the UPLXUDB
homepage, see

http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/hplxudb/index.shtml#getit

along with the plea to notify us if you didn't get the update mail
since the date shown on the page. That way I hope we can reach as many
of people as possible. And if YOU have given us your name and email for
the database, and didn't get the update info mail within the last few
hours, please send Bob a mail with your latest and valid email address!

Thanks a lot
daniel

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Date:         Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:15:26 +0100
Reply-To:     Ulrich Boche <BOCHE@DE.IBM.COM>
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From:         Ulrich Boche <BOCHE@DE.IBM.COM>
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For those (mainly in Germany, I suppose) who have an Ansmann
POWERline 4 charger (a rather intelligent charger for 4 AA or AAA
NiCd or NiMH batteries), I received Information from the Ansmann
hotline about the max. battery capacity that the charger can deal with
properly.

The key is the serial number which can be in different formats
depending on the date of manufacture. Units made in 2001 or later
will have a serial no. with 8 or 9 digits that starts with the year and
week, for instance:

200129...

Units made in 2000 should have a serial number with the year and
week followed by a dash and a number, e.g.:

200042-388.10

Units made in 1999 and earlier should have a serial number with a
two-digit year:

9945...

Units manufactured until 9945 (the 45th week in 1999) are able to deal
with batteries up to 1600 mAh. Units manufactured after 9945 but
before 200134 (the 34th week in 2001) are able to deal with 2000 mAh
batteries. Units manufactured after 200134 are able to deal with
2300 mAh batteries.

If, for instance, you have a unit that can deal with 1600 mAh batteries
but you're using 2000 mAh batteries, all is not lost. Technical support
gave me the following procedure: charge until the green lights stay on.
Remove the charger from the socket and the batteries from the charger.
Reinsert the charger and the batteries. After the second charging
circle, the batteries should be full.

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Date:         Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:49:55 +0100
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Danke! Wertvolle Information / Thanks! Valuable information. JP.

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Date:         Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:08:07 +0100
Reply-To:     Pavel Zampach <zampach@nemcb.cz>
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From:         Pavel Zampach <zampach@NEMCB.CZ>
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Hi,

As of new version 1.93D, VDE (one of the best editors for HPLX
machines - IMHO) is no longer shareware, but freeware. New version is
on web:

http://short.stop.home.att.net/index.htm
http://members.aol.com/wolffsoft/vde.htm
http://members.cox.net/dos/index.htm
ftp://members.aol.com/billw50/vde



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Date:         Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:34:16 +1300
Reply-To:     Tony Hutchins <th@PARADISE.NET.NZ>
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From:         Tony Hutchins <th@PARADISE.NET.NZ>
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--
01h21m ago Pavel Zampach wrote:

> As of new version 1.93D, VDE (one of the best editors for
> HPLX machines - IMHO) is no longer shareware, but freeware.

Thanks for this info.

I have tried VDE on the palmtop, but never figured out how to
make it display in "black and white". Many shades of colour
seem to be used.

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Date:         Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:16:39 +0100
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Hello,

does someone know of a method to search for a line feed control
character from within the MEMO editor?

Thanks
Norbert
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Date:         Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:26:36 +0100
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From:         Norbert Giese <Norbert_Giese@T-ONLINE.DE>
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Hello,

I am looking for a keyboard foil (the bubble foil) and a german keyboard
(the part with all the keys), at the worst for a defect unit with good
keyboard parts.

Any offers?

Thank you
Norbert
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Date:         Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:12:11 +1300
Reply-To:     Tony Hutchins <th@PARADISE.NET.NZ>
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From:         Tony Hutchins <th@PARADISE.NET.NZ>
Subject:      Re: New  VDE
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34m ago Tony Hutchins wrote:
> I have tried VDE on the palmtop, but never figured out how to
> make it display in "black and white". Many shades of colour
> seem to be used.

Ahha, I can reverse the "normal text" back/foreground colours
using vinst. Much better.

-Tony

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Date:         Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:56:15 +0100
Reply-To:     Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE>
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Niels wrote:
> I cannot get the front off my display, because it is still
> locked in the hinge.

Yes, as far as I remember i never had them completely apart either. That
is why I wrote bend them apart enaugh to get the assembly out. The front
half is thin and flexible enaugh to do that IIRC.

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Date:         Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:23:32 +0100
Reply-To:     Niels <hp700lx@SOFTHOME.NET>
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Ok thanks, then I'll try this

thank you!


Niels

[n]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Axel Berger" <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: uhoh...strange display thingies


> Niels wrote:
> > I cannot get the front off my display, because it is still
> > locked in the hinge.
>
> Yes, as far as I remember i never had them completely apart either. That
> is why I wrote bend them apart enaugh to get the assembly out. The front
> half is thin and flexible enaugh to do that IIRC.
>
> Axel
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Date:         Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:59:13 -0500
Reply-To:     Eric <HPLX@BATTLEQUEST.COM>
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How different is a german keyboard from a US version keyboard.

Just curious.


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To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 5:26 AM
Subject: WTB: German keyboard parts


Hello,

I am looking for a keyboard foil (the bubble foil) and a german keyboard
(the part with all the keys), at the worst for a defect unit with good
keyboard parts.

Any offers?

Thank you
Norbert
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Date:         Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:50:55 +0100
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hi John,

John Musielewicz schrieb am 7 Dec 2002 um 22:34:

> The Sierra Wireless 555 wireless modem card has a typical operating
> current consumption of 150 mA according to the specs. Has anyone tried
> to use it?
>
I read the specs and it says:

orporate applications and full web browsing.

The Sierra Wireless AirCard true Type II PC Card design and
application software seamlessly and effortlessly integrate into a
Windows notebook or handheld device and support Windows 95 (OSR 2 and
higher), 98, NT 4.0, 2000, ME, XP, PPC, PPC 2002 and HPC2000.

Do you think there is something like a DOS driver?

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Date:         Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:14:36 +0100
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On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, Eric wrote:

> How different is a german keyboard from a US version keyboard.
>
> Just curious.

QWERTZ instead of QWERTY. I imagine there's a few other changes.
There's a *lot* of different keyboards...

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Date:         Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:19:00 -0600
Reply-To:     John Musielewicz <jmusielewicz@EARTHLINK.NET>
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Its a modem card. LXCIC should see it as a comm port.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Werner Furlan" <furlan@GMX.NET>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Wireless Modem


> hi John,
>
> John Musielewicz schrieb am 7 Dec 2002 um 22:34:
>
> > The Sierra Wireless 555 wireless modem card has a typical operating
> > current consumption of 150 mA according to the specs. Has anyone tried
> > to use it?
> >
> I read the specs and it says:
>
> orporate applications and full web browsing.
>
> The Sierra Wireless AirCard true Type II PC Card design and
> application software seamlessly and effortlessly integrate into a
> Windows notebook or handheld device and support Windows 95 (OSR 2 and
> higher), 98, NT 4.0, 2000, ME, XP, PPC, PPC 2002 and HPC2000.
>
> Do you think there is something like a DOS driver?
>
> Werner
>
>
>
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Date:         Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:51:04 +0100
Reply-To:     Jan Pieter Beekhuis <beekhuis@TISCALI.CH>
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Hi Pavel,

Thanks for you info. I have been a registered user for quite some time =
and
got the very well done "online" spell checker with it. I can recommend =
this
highly configurable, versatile and full featured editor/word processor =
too.
It displays very well on the Palmtop. ;))

Jan Pieter Beekhuis


>         Pavel Zampach schrieb / =E9crivait / wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As of new version 1.93D, VDE (one of the best editors for HPLX
> machines - IMHO) is no longer shareware, but freeware. New version is
> on web:
>
> http://short.stop.home.att.net/index.htm
> http://members.aol.com/wolffsoft/vde.htm
> http://members.cox.net/dos/index.htm
> ftp://members.aol.com/billw50/vde
>
> --
> Regards
>
>  Pavel Zampach
>  zampach@nemcb.cz
>
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Date:         Mon, 9 Dec 2002 19:56:57 +0100
Reply-To:     Christian Felique <cfelique@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From:         Christian Felique <cfelique@HOTMAIL.COM>
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There used to be a version of BASIC specifically tailored for the 95LX.
It was marketed by ACE under the name "SwiftBasic!". A nice feature
was its ability to create system-manager compliant programs.

Does anybody remember this product or worked with it in the past ?
I've tried locating it on the net, but without any luck. If it has
become so called abandonned ware then maybe someone could post it on
SUPER...

Thanks

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Christian Felique <cfelique@HOTMAIL.COM> asked about Swift!BASIC for the
95LX.

I recall beta testing this product many years ago. It was a great product
for its day. Sparcom sold this Austrian designed programming environment for
$215 USD in the US.

AFAIK, Swift!BASIC was never released to the public domain. It was always
commercial ware and I'd be surprised if the authors ever intended to abandon
their product even though the only platform on which it worked, the HP 95LX,
was discontinued.

.ed.

PS: to read more about Swift!BASIC, goto
http://www.palmtopPaper.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/ptphtml/search.htm
and search on the word "Swift!" (omit quotes).

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Date:         Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:28:23 -0800
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Hi everybody,

I have recently started to use Pegasus Mail on my
windows Desktop. Since there is a DOS version I
thought it would be nice to use it in the Palmtop. I
would love to install PM on the Palmtop and be able to
use my DSL line to download my e-mail. I have read
Daniel Hertrich's explanation on setting up MochaPPP.
I downloaded both Mochappp and Pegasus Mail for DOS,
but installing Pegasus Mail looks impossible. Where
shold I start from? Is somebody running  a similar
setup? What programs do I need apart from Pegasus
Mail? A PPP packet driver? a TCP driver?

Thanks in advance,

Inigo

PS: By the way Pegasus Mail for Windows is awesome, it
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Date:         Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:16:44 +0800
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I apologize in advance for the off topic but this list is so proficient and
knowledgeable in antiquated dos programs.

I archive the daily digests of this list with many other lists.  When I
want to search for a particular topic in the archives, is there a text
search utility that would match a particular text across multiple text files?

It would be nice if I could do this on my HPLX but not necessary.  I could
also do this on my winblows desktop so even a window program would suffice.

Thank you in advance,

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Le Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:16:44 +0800
Oliver Chua <bud@MINDGATE.NET> a =E9crit:

> is there a text
> search utility that would match a particular text across multiple text =
files?

grep.

An unix tool, available in Dos version. For example with Turbo C, and
very probably with some ports of the GNU tools...

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Oliver Chua wrote:
> I archive the daily digests of this list with many other
> lists.  When I want to search for a particular topic in
> the archives, is there a text search utility that would
> match a particular text across multiple text files?

I'm not quite sure what you mean, but if it is a question of finding
occurrences of a given ASCII string in a whole lot of files Windows find
can do exactly that. Years before Windows I had written a nearly
identical tool in GFA-BASIC for my Atari. The reason then was a largeish
nearly undocumented FORTRAN program I was given in about 20 .FOR files
to maintain and I wrote it to find all occurences of CALL and SUBROUTINE
to first establish some structure and find what calls what. As GFA has
eliminated line numbers and introduced names, loops and parameter
passing it is possibly easier to convert to PASCAL than to another
BASIC. It is surprisingly fast. I read the files as chunks into the
biggest possible string variable (32 kB) and use the highly optimized
INSTR to do the hard work.

Axel

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Hi Folks !

I've been reading a lot about backlighting the 200/700LX...
Does somebody have a full picture about the actual status on this
project ? Is it reality or fiction ?

Personally I'd prefer to have the possibility to send in
my 700LX to someone who has experience mounting such a kit,
instead of doing it myself... Will there be such a service in the
near future ?

Let's face it: all PDAs have a backlight nowadays, and it's really
a pity our LXs don't have one. I believe a lot of people are willing
to pay for it. Do others share the same opinion ?

---
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try FILEFIND. It is intended for matching
filenames, but can search the found files for text as well. cannot do
regular expressions as grep can, but is an system manager compliant program:
HP user interface, leaves your DOS process free for other programs and
integrates well with X-Finder (file management) and QuickView (file viewer).

i thought the utility was available from the super site, but it isn't. if
you are interested in a copy, mail me for one or wait for super to publish
it.

regards
alan


> I archive the daily digests of this list with many other lists.  When I
> want to search for a particular topic in the archives, is there a text
> search utility that would match a particular text across multiple text
files?
>
> It would be nice if I could do this on my HPLX but not necessary.  I could
> also do this on my winblows desktop so even a window program would
suffice.
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Oliver
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:12:22 +0100
> From:    Jacques Belin <jbelin@ALTERN.ORG>
> Subject: Re: OT: Text search utility
>
> Le Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:16:44 +0800
> Oliver Chua <bud@MINDGATE.NET> a =E9crit:
>
> > is there a text
> > search utility that would match a particular text across multiple text =
> files?
>
> grep.
>
> An unix tool, available in Dos version. For example with Turbo C, and
> very probably with some ports of the GNU tools...
>
> Jacques.
>
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>
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Hi Oliver:

I am using a utility called 'berkfind' to search text in certain file pat=
terns.
It's very fast. You can find it here:
http://www.simtel.net/pub/pd/3381.html

Jan Pieter

> -- Original Message --
> Date:         Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:16:44 +0800
> Reply-To:     Oliver Chua <bud@MINDGATE.NET>
> From:         Oliver Chua <bud@MINDGATE.NET>
> Subject:      OT: Text search utility
> To:           HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>
>
> I apologize in advance for the off topic but this list is so proficient=

and
> knowledgeable in antiquated dos programs.
>
> I archive the daily digests of this list with many other lists.  When
I
> want to search for a particular topic in the archives, is there a text
> search utility that would match a particular text across multiple text
files?
>
> It would be nice if I could do this on my HPLX but not necessary.  I co=
uld
> also do this on my winblows desktop so even a window program would suff=
ice.
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Oliver
>
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Oliver wrote:

> I archive the daily digests of this list with many other lists.  When I
> want to search for a particular topic in the archives, is there a text
> search utility that would match a particular text across multiple text
files?
>
> It would be nice if I could do this on my HPLX but not necessary.  I could
> also do this on my winblows desktop so even a window program would suffice.

   The Norton Utilities (at least versions 5 - 8 for DOS)
have FILEFIND.  This allows an interactive type of search.
And it will work on the 200LX.

   Using the commands built in to DOS 5.0, you can munge
up a BATch file using FIND and FOR to do what you want.

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>From: Christian Felique <cfelique@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Subject: Backlight: dream or reality ?
A while back there was a guy on usenet (Alt.comp.sys.palmtop.hp?)
who actually claimed to have built a backlight for the hp200lx.
Did anyone here ever talk to him to find out the details
and whether it would be feasable for the rest of the
200lx community.   (Unfortunately I didn't keep the details
but you should be able to do a search on google to find it.)




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I believe it is coming together , please be patient and keep watiching this news group.

The "guy" you are refering to is the group's resident hardware guru Daniel.

8-)

I am sure he will be able to expand on the details.

Regards,
Eric

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>From: Christian Felique <cfelique@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Subject: Backlight: dream or reality ?
A while back there was a guy on usenet (Alt.comp.sys.palmtop.hp?)
who actually claimed to have built a backlight for the hp200lx.
Did anyone here ever talk to him to find out the details
and whether it would be feasable for the rest of the
200lx community.   (Unfortunately I didn't keep the details
but you should be able to do a search on google to find it.)




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Hi Oliver,

>I archive the daily digests of this list with many other lists.  When I
>want to search for a particular topic in the archives, is there a text
>search utility that would match a particular text across multiple text
files?
>
>It would be nice if I could do this on my HPLX but not necessary.  I
could
>also do this on my winblows desktop so even a window program would
suffice.

Since I don't currently have live access to the web right now, I don't
know if what I'm recommending is on SUPER or not.  I'd be happy to send
them to you via private email attachment if you can't find them.

Fgrep184 will do what you want on a HP200LX and Fgrep386 will do it even
faster and/or better on a 386 or above.

Cheers!

John Vander Stel
Grand Rapids, Michigan

BTW, questions that relate in any way to the HP200LX, such as this
question, are definitely on topic here. :-)


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Date:         Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:57:20 +0200
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Hi Eric and Christian

06m ....>> in the future <<.... ago Eric wrote:

> The "guy" you are refering to is the group's resident hardware guru Daniel.
>
> 8-)
>
> I am sure he will be able to expand on the details.

Thank you for the announcement Eric, so here I am. :-))

There will be a backlight upgrade available for the 100LX, 200LX and
1000CX.
Probably not (yet) for the 700LX and also not for the 95LX.

In fact, I am writing this message on a nicely greenish backlit 200LX.
The prototype of what you will be able to buy soon. :-)

You can see some info on the new backlighting project on
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/backlight
This is a little bit outdated, since we are almost ready with the
final product, but it may give an idea of what is coming.
The final product will not be as bright as the one on the anomated
picture on that web page. But that's good, because that bright light is
a bit too bright, it decreases the contrast of the screen when switched
on.

Here are the facts:

Some years ago Thaddeus Computing worked on a backlight project, which
seemed very promising, but failed due to technical problems with the
screen (removal of the reflective / polarization layer could not be
done in a secure way without damaging too many screens).
Now I have found a way around this, which is at least a feasible
compromise between the professional way of upgrading which Thaddeus
planned to do and a less professional way, which is easier and
less risky, but the result is very satisfying.

After I have found that technique, I have found a guy on the Internet who
makes backlight upgrades for some other devices, and also planned to
make a backlight upgrade for the 200LX, but didn't do that yet, because he
missed some info I could then give him with my research results. So he
is now almost able to offer the upgrade.

Some parts are missing yet, and the installation instruction sheet is
not yet finished. But once these things are accomplished, the backlight
kit will be available (Price probably around 65-70 EURO) and even
upgrade service wil be available, price for that service is not known yet.

The upgrading will be done in Germany, so there will be some shipping
costs for non-European customers. It is not very likely that Thaddeus
will also do the upgrade, although they are evaluating the kit right
now and will then decide if they will offer the upgrade, too.
So there is still a chance. ;-)


I would like to emphasize once more that without the great help and
support of Hal Goldstein and his colleagues from Thaddeus and without
the support of Thomas Rundel, I would not have been able to get that
far! Thank you again! (I get no money for that advertising, BTW. ;-)


Please stand by, as soon as the backlight upgrade will be available, I
will announce it here of course. Actually it was planned for Christmas,
but it could be that it will take some weeks more...

daniel


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Date:         Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:26:45 -0500
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This will make the LX so much more useful for me. I wound up getting a palm
m500 just because I need to be able to read stuff. The m500 is not too bad
because it takes mem cards and you can get a $20 'thumb board' that is not
too terrible for typing. The LX still beats it in overall usefulness so I
wind up using both.


I lurk in a lot of dark places...


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>
> There will be a backlight upgrade available for the 100LX, 200LX and
> 1000CX.
> Probably not (yet) for the 700LX and also not for the 95LX.

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Date:         Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:48:50 +0200
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Hi Oliver from Nigel R in sunny South Africa :-)

Two programs that you could consider, 1) ASK SAM (both DOS and Windows but
have not seen the DOS version for a LONG time! and ISYS (Text Retrieval).
Have the DOS version but not Windows although I believe supports all the
popular propriety word processor formats. The version of ISYS I have (3.0
dated 1992) ships on 3 floppies or 2 stiffies and total file size is just
over 1 Mb (including help and config utilities) and requires at least DOS
2.0 and 512K RAM! So provided you have extra drive space see no problem in
running on palmtop?

Maybe solutions offered are bit too sophisticated but they do work!

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Oliver,

> want to search for a particular topic in the archives, is there a text
> search utility that would match a particular text across multiple text =
files?

V.Buerg's LIST.COM can do this

LIST *.* /Fsearchstring

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From: "Daniel Hertrich" <daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE>

> Some parts are missing yet, and the installation instruction sheet is
> not yet finished. But once these things are accomplished, the backlight
> kit will be available (Price probably around 65-70 EURO) and even
> upgrade service wil be available, price for that service is not known yet.

May I suggestion posting somewhere a brief explanation of the skill level
needed to install the backlight oneself?   Right now I asume it requires a
very high skill level.

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What's new:

Version 7.3  -Vernon Buerg's enhanced LIST supports now LxPic.
(12-DEC-02)   Press Ctrl-V on any picture file in LIST to
              invoke LxPic. Esc returns to LIST.
              Get LIST from www.buerg.com
             -Improved BMP, GIF, JPG and PCX display
             -Improved VESA detection
             -Alt-F adds a key mask to the file info box
             -F10 and T keys exchanged. T displays JPG thumbs
              now if available in an application segment.
              F10 is the new key for B&W Text zoom out.
             -800x600x4 display mode removed for compatibility
              reasons. Therefore all VESA modes decreased by 1
             -1024x600 special Toshiba resolution removed

I recommend the new JPG thumb command 'T' for digital camera
images displayed on the palmtop. For example my Casio Exilim
camera has thumbs in the 320x240 pixel size. If you call
LXPIC/T on the regular camera files (up to 1MB in size), you
see a fast display of the 320x240 thumb on the palmtop.

Download the new LxPic from:

http://hplx.pgdn.de/lxpic.zip

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Date:         Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:17:53 +0800
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Jacques and to all those who emailed me off list ... thank you very much
for everyone's help.  Another problem bites the dust!

Oliver


>grep.
>
>An unix tool, available in Dos version. For example with Turbo C, and
>very probably with some ports of the GNU tools...
>
>Jacques.

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Date:         Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:20:28 +0100
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I know the specialists are here. Is there a way to access the
COM ports in a DOS box under Win2000? Or in other words: Does
anybody run POST/LX in a Win2000 DOS box? My (new) system says:
The port, your application requests, cannot be opened.

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More than likely the program is trying to talk directly to the com port.
Windows 2000 frowns on this.  Have you tried to use the compatibility
setting in the icon's advanced settings?

Kevin


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I know the specialists are here. Is there a way to access the
COM ports in a DOS box under Win2000? Or in other words: Does
anybody run POST/LX in a Win2000 DOS box? My (new) system says:
The port, your application requests, cannot be opened.

Stefan

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On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:20:28 +0100 Stefan wrote:
>I know the specialists are here. Is there a way to access the
>COM ports in a DOS box under Win2000? Or in other words: Does
>anybody run POST/LX in a Win2000 DOS box? My (new) system says:
>The port, your application requests, cannot be opened.

I run the W32FILER application (it's a DOS program) on Win2000, and it
works fine.

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Date:         Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:26:39 +0100
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Stefan,

> I know the specialists are here. Is there a way to access the
> COM ports in a DOS box under Win2000?

I am certainly not a specialist but ran into a similar problem under Win =
NT
recently. In order to allow a DOS application (or Windows App) to access =
the
COM1 port, I add to desactivate all PRINTERS configured to use that COM1
port (Windows printer settings).

Bottom line is Serial Printer XOR Dos App.

 \/
 /ves

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Date:         Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:27:06 +0200
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Hi Domingo

06h23m ago Domingo wrote:

> May I suggestion posting somewhere a brief explanation of the skill level
> needed to install the backlight oneself?   Right now I asume it requires a
> very high skill level.

Once the installation instruction sheet is ready, it will be publicly
available, so you can see in detail what has to be done to upgrade the
palmtop.

I think the needed skill level is prettty high, yes. You have to
disassemble the entire palmtop to get to the screen, you need to do some
difficult mechanical and soldering stuff...
But we will prepare the backlight kit as well as possible to make it
easy.

daniel


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Date:         Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:18:19 +0100
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Dear All,

Is it possible to buy a replacement flat cable which connects the 200LX motherboard to the LCD screen?

Thanks in advance, Sincerely: Tamas Feher.

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Date:         Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:10:33 -0500
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Hey,

I clicked send before editing the message


> what's a $20 thumb board ?

http://www.styluscentral.com/seikinthumfo.html

Also look in google for "Seiko Thumboard". There are also other similar
devices for palms.

> where to get one ?

http://www.styluscentral.com/seikinthumfo.html
http://shopping.yahoo.com
http://www.ebay.com/ :^>


> how does it work ?

It works pretty much as expected from its appearance. The keyboard is not as
easy to use as the LX keyboard but it still beats the heck out of grafitti.
I would want to write a thesis with it but it's reasonable for occasional
data entry. There are other limitations as well becuase the Palm OS was
written under the assumption that there was no keyboard. Certain things that
you would expect to work do not, like menu navigation and such. That's
okaybecause you just need to use your finger but it would be easier if you
could do everything from the keyboard.  There is a program called 'laptop
hack' that makes a keyboard behave better. It costs about $10USD to
register.


BTW: I echoed to the list in case anyone is interested. AFAIC, this is type
of product along with a palm device is a possible alternative (or
complementary product, in my case) to the LX. It's not nearly as poowerful
but is very small, has backlight, is better supported and is much cheaper. I
got my m500 with thumboard and 32MB card for about $200USD from a real
vendor and it was in brand new (refurb) condition. An equivalent LX would
probably cost more but you get what you pay for. I still have not abandoned
my LX but I use it a lot less. Once the backlight becomes commercially
viable I will probably go back to it full time.

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Date:         Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:57:08 +0100
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I found the answer to my problem. The error was, that I was
using my SETCOM.BAT from the palmtop, which checks for a modem
through my MODEM.COM. Win2000 fails on non existing COM ports
but handles well existing ones. So all I had to do, is using
an existing COM port in WWW.CFG. Now I have POST/LX running in
a full screen DOS box under Win2000!

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Date:         Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:18:12 +1100
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Can someone tell me what the scripting
language is that is used in post/lx etc.

I am trying to understand the *.scr files
(eg post.scr) for modification purposes but
I don't understand the language specifics.

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At 12/12/02-06:18 PM, Dana de Jong <pdejong2@BIGPOND.NET.AU> wrote:
>Can someone tell me what the scripting language is that is used in post/lx
>etc.
>
>I am trying to understand the *.scr files (eg post.scr) for modification
>purposes but I don't understand the language specifics.

Post/LX itself has no scripting language. There is scripting involved in
the login to some (few) ISPs and that script language is used by WWW.EXE.
You can look in WWW.EXE documentation - all the info is there. See WWW3.ZIP.

There is other scripting you can use with ROBOT.EXE. The info for that
scripting language is in the documentation included in ROBOT.ZIP.

The D&A's FTP sites for WWW/LX are ftp://ftp.dasoft.com/pub/WWW/ and
http://www.alwaysafe.com/dasoft/public_ftp/WWW/ - you can find WWW3.ZIP
(and the self-extracting WWW3.EXE) as well as ROBOT.ZIP.

Good luck.

Avi Meshar
D&A Software

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Date:         Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:50:59 +0200
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Hi Dana

20m ago Avi Meshar wrote:

> There is other scripting you can use with ROBOT.EXE. The info for that
> scripting language is in the documentation included in ROBOT.ZIP.

The SCR files are always Robot scripts.

daniel

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Date:         Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:04:17 +0100
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Uhm, yes, I got spares from broken LX's.

Lets start some LETS system on the list. - ( Like one 'LET' equals one
dollar or euro).
I send you one at an agreed price in 'LETS'. You pay me nothing, but
owe me these LETS, and can trade them with others against other parts,
so I either get some money or some spare part I need from someone who
wants to even out the debt. I like this better than the 'SWAP SHOP', as
I am lazy and only want to do my own bookkeeping.
(And if I never claim, you still have the cable..)

To other list members awaiting/hoping for something:

I have been very busy and away from home. From the 21st of December
onward I am home for two weeks and certainly ( hopefully) I will follow
up my obligations and/or promises. ( Maybe before....)
Mail me a chaser if you want to be sure....

(Dr Nat and Radek, you do not need to chase).

Michel

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Van: Feher Tamas <feher.tamas@2FKFT.COM>
Datum: Donderdag, December 12, 2002 5:18 pm
Onderwerp: 200LX lcd-to-mobo flat cable.

> Dear All,
>
> Is it possible to buy a replacement flat cable which connects the
> 200LX motherboard to the LCD screen?
>
> Thanks in advance, Sincerely: Tamas Feher.
>
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At 12/13/02-12:50 AM, Daniel Hertrich <daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE> wrote:
>The SCR files are always Robot scripts.

Daniel,

There are TWO types files with .SCR really. There are also scripts used for
logins and while they are stored OUTSIDE the www.cfg files they also have
the suffix .SCR. I referred to these and the Robot scripts in my reply.
(You can look at this for an example of a non-Robot .SCR file:
http://www.dasoft.com/WWW/scripts.htm and refer to the highlighted files
such as http://www.dasoft.com/WWW/israkav.scr


Happy Holidays!

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Date:         Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:54:37 -0600
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<<The upgrading will be done in Germany, so there will be some shipping
costs for non-European customers. It is not very likely that Thaddeus
will also do the upgrade, although they are evaluating the kit right
now and will then decide if they will offer the upgrade, too.
So there is still a chance. ;-)>>

Greetings from Uruguay (where my wife is from)! =20

We (Thaddeus) will look at the project seriously. We are quite cautious,
since last time, we pre-announced it, and we ended up bailing out.

Our biggest concern is reliability -- there is no way to know for sure
that after 6 months there won't be problems in a significant number of
machines.  And there is no way to get replacement screens.=20

If we feel we can properly warrantee our work, if the process isn't too
labor intensive, and if we can make a reasonable profit given low
volume, we will most likely offer it.=20

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 >The Norton Utilities (at least versions 5-8 for DOS) have
 >FILEFIND.  This allows an interactive type of search.

last not least there is XTGOLD`s xtg-find.xtp 7884bytes. it finds text in
all files in a directory and highlights it. it keeps the text search in
memory and finds it in zipped files too.

Alan in Graz (Austria) is the author of filefind.exm which can find text in
sub-directories.

anyone know which other DOS program(s) can do that ?!?

Dr.Nat ;)
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Hi Guys I am new here.

I have been using a HP 200LX since Jan 1995, almost 7 years of good service
from a great machine. Yesterday Friday 13th! I had my first major lost of
data on one of these machines, probably due to my own fault. Up until now I
have been managing with a 1Mb SRAM card which has given me good service for
about 5 years. I recently noticed how cheap the Compact Flash cards were and
just had to expand my great little machine.

I fitted a 32Mb Compact Flash card about a week ago and every thing was
great, then yesterday I ran a batch file (which calls PKUNZIP) and the
Compact Flash lost the directory it was writing too ( a large amount of
historical data transferred from the SRAM card), quite quickly followed by
complete lost of the contents of the whole Compact Flash drive. :(( The
drive required reformatting to make it live again.

I retrieved the data which I had backed up two days earlier (I can't believe
my luck I am not good at backing up) and set the drive up again. Tried the
batch job again ...... no surprises Compact Flash drive failed.

I noticed the battery level was 2.51 volts, not low for my machine I
normally replace them at 2.26 volts with the SRAM card in. I replaced the
batteries with new ones and now the Compact Flash drive now works fine.

Sorry about the long history .... here is the question does anyone know at
what voltage the Compact Flash drives start to corrupt?

For information the card type is PQI 32Mb P/N FC032, I am also using
ACECARD3.COM as that was the only way of getting the Card to work.

Dave
in Chatham, Kent, UK.

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Dave S wrote:
> does anyone know at
> what voltage the Compact Flash drives start to corrupt?

The voltage as shown is irrelevant here. What does matter is the
internal resistance of your batteries. As the supply has to step up to 5
V for the card, the battery current will be several times that which the
card draws and voltage under that kind of load can drop drastically. You
do not tell us what kind of batteries you are using.
Alkalines at appreciably less than 1.5 V with little current are
virtually empty and can't deliver anything worth telling about.
NiMH when getting elderly deteriorate mostly by a rising resistance,
capacity itself can stay quite high.
For high current applications the good old NiCd with their very low
resistance are still your best bet.

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Axel
Thanks for the quick reply.
I currently use new Uniross 1700mAh Ni-MH batteries (two charges old), prior
to this I was using 750mAh Ni-CADs, they loose there voltage quicker but as
you say have lower internal resistance.
Does the voltage internal inverter work well down to lower voltages with
Ni-CADs?
Has anyone had a similar problem with Ni-CADs?

Dave


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> Dave S wrote:
> > does anyone know at
> > what voltage the Compact Flash drives start to corrupt?
>
> The voltage as shown is irrelevant here. What does matter is the
> internal resistance of your batteries. As the supply has to step up to 5
> V for the card, the battery current will be several times that which the
> card draws and voltage under that kind of load can drop drastically. You
> do not tell us what kind of batteries you are using.
> Alkalines at appreciably less than 1.5 V with little current are
> virtually empty and can't deliver anything worth telling about.
> NiMH when getting elderly deteriorate mostly by a rising resistance,
> capacity itself can stay quite high.
> For high current applications the good old NiCd with their very low
> resistance are still your best bet.
>
> Axel
>
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> Axel
> Thanks for the quick reply.
> I currently use new Uniross 1700mAh Ni-MH batteries (two charges
old), prior
> to this I was using 750mAh Ni-CADs, they loose there voltage
quicker but as
> you say have lower internal resistance.
> Does the voltage internal inverter work well down to lower
voltages with
> Ni-CADs?
> Has anyone had a similar problem with Ni-CADs?

I've been using both NiCads and NiMH with my 200lx and a flash card
for years with no problems

I have both and I use the NiMH if I'm using the lx regularly and
the NiCads if I'm likely to not use it for a week or two.  I have
several 200lx's and I rotate them and, being retired, I use them
sporatically now, anyway.

I only use Sandisk cards and I know they need a little less power
when writing than some so maybe that's why.  Some brands are more
demanding and some are not.   I don't know which are which.

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I think batteries are a red herring here. I use an assortment of compact
flash cards in my 200LX and run the voltage as low or lower than you do
and have never had a problem.

The point in your message that concerns me is the statement that the
card only works with the Acecard driver even though the card is only
32MB - this should not be the case. I use a 64MB card in my machine
without any driver and others here do similar with much larger card
sizes. I would suspect your card rather than your batteries and suggest
you return it as defective. In general it is wise to stick with
reputable card manufacturers.

GaryS

On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 06:18, Dave S wrote:
> Axel
> Thanks for the quick reply.
> I currently use new Uniross 1700mAh Ni-MH batteries (two charges old), prior
> to this I was using 750mAh Ni-CADs, they loose there voltage quicker but as
> you say have lower internal resistance.
> Does the voltage internal inverter work well down to lower voltages with
> Ni-CADs?
> Has anyone had a similar problem with Ni-CADs?
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Axel Berger <Axel-Berger@NEXGO.DE>
> To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
> Sent: 14 December 2002 12:58
> Subject: Re: TECH: Compact Flash error at low voltage
>
>
> > Dave S wrote:
> > > does anyone know at
> > > what voltage the Compact Flash drives start to corrupt?
> >
> > The voltage as shown is irrelevant here. What does matter is the
> > internal resistance of your batteries. As the supply has to step up to 5
> > V for the card, the battery current will be several times that which the
> > card draws and voltage under that kind of load can drop drastically. You
> > do not tell us what kind of batteries you are using.
> > Alkalines at appreciably less than 1.5 V with little current are
> > virtually empty and can't deliver anything worth telling about.
> > NiMH when getting elderly deteriorate mostly by a rising resistance,
> > capacity itself can stay quite high.
> > For high current applications the good old NiCd with their very low
> > resistance are still your best bet.
> >
> > Axel
> >
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Hi Dave,

Sorry about the mishap!

Dave S <dave@SMITH64.NDO.CO.UK> wrote:
>I noticed the battery level was 2.51 volts, not low for my machine I
>normally replace them at 2.26 volts with the SRAM card in. I replaced the
>batteries with new ones and now the Compact Flash drive now works fine.

As Axel wrote, the voltage is immaterial, but the batteries' internal
resistance does matter.

On the issue of losing the data: If your machine has a spike WHILE writing
the FAT, then the chances are you are done and the failure already manifests.

What surprises me is that must use ACECARD3.COM driver on such a small CF.
I used Lexar's CF right after they came out, maybe 1996(!) and no drivers
were needed. In general, CFs and ATAs do not require the driver until their
capacity is quite high, several hundred megabytes. I recall using Sundisk
(then) 440MB and it needed the ACECARD3.COM driver - back in 1996 or 1997.
I have since been using a larger card (ATA) with no need for any driver.
Certainly many CFs with higher capacities than 32MB which required no driver.

So my point is that I tend to lay the blame for the mishap on your card.
You did not say whose it was and it is possible that some off-brand (also
CHEAP!) has unusual power requirements which created the momentary dip on
your palmtop. If that is the case, rest assured: it will happen AGAIN! In
most cases you do not notice a problem because the batteries are in good
enough shape to take the load, but when their capacity goes down, one of
these dips will hit you again.

Whose CF is it? Do you know any info about the card in terms of power
needed during write and so on?

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I also only use SanDisk (up to 256 Megs - without any extra driver, but
only to stated capacity - no stacker or double space utility - formatted
in the 200LX) and have had no problems so far (5 years).  I started using
SanDisk exclusively after a problem with another brand (Pre-Tec I believe)
which I couldn't even seem to format or initialize with the HP
utility in ROM (fdisk100.exe).  The Pre-Tec worked fine with my
Windows 98.
I have tried several brands of the 'high capacity' Ni-Cad and
NIMH batteries with varying success as far as recharging and having
them last very long.  My present batch (14 of them) of Nexcell NIMH
(1550 MaH) worked fine (powered the double speed 200LX for 4 days) about a
year ago when I got them, but are now only good for about 1 day.  It doesn't
seem to matter where I charge them - either in the 200LX using ABC or
in an external charger.  At least they haven't leaked like the Radio
Shack ones did!

On Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:04:44 -0600, Barry wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dave S" <dave@SMITH64.NDO.CO.UK>
>To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
>Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 8:18 AM
>Subject: Re: TECH: Compact Flash error at low voltage


>> Axel
>> Thanks for the quick reply.
>> I currently use new Uniross 1700mAh Ni-MH batteries (two charges
>old), prior
>> to this I was using 750mAh Ni-CADs, they loose there voltage
>quicker but as
>> you say have lower internal resistance.
>> Does the voltage internal inverter work well down to lower
>voltages with
>> Ni-CADs?
>> Has anyone had a similar problem with Ni-CADs?

>I've been using both NiCads and NiMH with my 200lx and a flash card
>for years with no problems

>I have both and I use the NiMH if I'm using the lx regularly and
>the NiCads if I'm likely to not use it for a week or two.  I have
>several 200lx's and I rotate them and, being retired, I use them
>sporatically now, anyway.

>I only use Sandisk cards and I know they need a little less power
>when writing than some so maybe that's why.  Some brands are more
>demanding and some are not.   I don't know which are which.

>Barry

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Several weeks ago I asked a question about the program Info Select. I
received several great off list replies. Thank you.

One msg mentioned an Info Select Manual was for sale on ebay.? I thought I'd
saved the msg, but after searching my HD - evidently not. Have searched ebay
but didn't find, tho' I'm not a user of ebay so may have missed it. If the
writer has any more info please let me know. I still may open the right
moving box and find the manual, but it may have gone to Sal Army in the
great "moving across country purge".

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: TECH: Compact Flash error at low voltage


> I have tried several brands of the 'high capacity' Ni-Cad and
> NIMH batteries with varying success as far as recharging and
having
> them last very long.  My present batch (14 of them) of Nexcell
NIMH
> (1550 MaH) worked fine (powered the double speed 200LX for 4
days) about a
> year ago when I got them, but are now only good for about 1 day.
It doesn't
> seem to matter where I charge them - either in the 200LX using
ABC or
> in an external charger.  At least they haven't leaked like the
Radio
> Shack ones did!

I bought Nexcell the first time, too.  And one at a time, they've
died.  Then I read in the oft-quoted NiMH battery comparison on
some camera site that they had the same problem with Nexcell.
Since then I bought some Powerex and have had no problems.

The oldest Nexcell is about 3 years old now and the ones still
working still seem to hold a charge as long as before, although a
couple of them didn't and I threw them away.  Every few weeks
another one dies completely, though.

The oldest Powerex are about a year and a half old, but I don't
have nearly as many of them, and they're all as good as new.  Never
a problem.

Actually the very first NiMH were the Kodaks I got with my camera.
They'e 1500 mAH and they're good as new.  But I don't use them as
much.

I always charge all of these in very good external chargers.

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Also, you should NOT need the ACECARD3.COM driver to make the flash card
work.  I have found problems with good (and cheap) CF cards and they would
not work with no-name CF/PCMCIA card adaptors.

Now I use Sandisk CF cards (got a good deal on them, so I figured might as
well go with the best), and DELKIN CF/pcmcia adaptors (amazon.com) and they
work like a champ....and without the ACECARD3.COM driver.

My point is that make sure to use a good CF card (for peace of mind), but
ALSO a quality name-brand adaptor as well.  My off brand worked in
everything else, but not the 200LX.

Regards,
Eric





----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave S" <dave@SMITH64.NDO.CO.UK>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 7:20 AM
Subject: TECH: Compact Flash error at low voltage


> Hi Guys I am new here.
>
> I have been using a HP 200LX since Jan 1995, almost 7 years of good
service
> from a great machine. Yesterday Friday 13th! I had my first major lost of
> data on one of these machines, probably due to my own fault. Up until now
I
> have been managing with a 1Mb SRAM card which has given me good service
for
> about 5 years. I recently noticed how cheap the Compact Flash cards were
and
> just had to expand my great little machine.
>
> I fitted a 32Mb Compact Flash card about a week ago and every thing was
> great, then yesterday I ran a batch file (which calls PKUNZIP) and the
> Compact Flash lost the directory it was writing too ( a large amount of
> historical data transferred from the SRAM card), quite quickly followed by
> complete lost of the contents of the whole Compact Flash drive. :(( The
> drive required reformatting to make it live again.
>
> I retrieved the data which I had backed up two days earlier (I can't
believe
> my luck I am not good at backing up) and set the drive up again. Tried the
> batch job again ...... no surprises Compact Flash drive failed.
>
> I noticed the battery level was 2.51 volts, not low for my machine I
> normally replace them at 2.26 volts with the SRAM card in. I replaced the
> batteries with new ones and now the Compact Flash drive now works fine.
>
> Sorry about the long history .... here is the question does anyone know at
> what voltage the Compact Flash drives start to corrupt?
>
> For information the card type is PQI 32Mb P/N FC032, I am also using
> ACECARD3.COM as that was the only way of getting the Card to work.
>
> Dave
> in Chatham, Kent, UK.
>
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Avi Meshar wrote:
> So my point is that I tend to lay the blame for the mishap
> on your card. You did not say whose it was and it is possible
> that some off-brand (also CHEAP!) has unusual power
> requirements

Yes I agree. New good quality NiMH at more than 1.25 V should easily
supply anything the HP may want in normal operation. Sounds like the
inverter is probably overloaded anyway, so I too recommend Sandisk or
any other that may be recommended here.

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Hi everybody

I have an 64CF from PQI. That CF reqiures Acecard driver, and it drains =
power even it is not active!!  The whole HP (DS, backlighted) takes ca =
40mA(backlight off) and with this card ca 150mA, i am going to throw it =
away! I have NiMh 2000mAh batteries for a year without any problem, even =
with this PQI card.

Martin

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 7:38 PM
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Avi Meshar wrote:
> So my point is that I tend to lay the blame for the mishap
> on your card. You did not say whose it was and it is possible
> that some off-brand (also CHEAP!) has unusual power
> requirements

Yes I agree. New good quality NiMH at more than 1.25 V should easily
supply anything the HP may want in normal operation. Sounds like the
inverter is probably overloaded anyway, so I too recommend Sandisk or
any other that may be recommended here.

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XGREP on the SUPER site should also be able to search sub-directories for
text.  It's only 3.4k in size and runs as a DOS program (not an exm).

- Longden

>  >The Norton Utilities (at least versions 5-8 for DOS) have
>  >FILEFIND.  This allows an interactive type of search.
>
> last not least there is XTGOLD`s xtg-find.xtp 7884bytes. it finds text in
> all files in a directory and highlights it. it keeps the text search in
> memory and finds it in zipped files too.
>
> Alan in Graz (Austria) is the author of filefind.exm which can find text in
> sub-directories.
>
> anyone know which other DOS program(s) can do that ?!?
>
> Dr.Nat ;)
>  *see Dr.Nat's DBs on SUSPER*

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Hi Dave

02h48m ago Dave S wrote:

> Hi Guys I am new here.

Welcome!

> Sorry about the long history .... here is the question does anyone know at
> what voltage the Compact Flash drives start to corrupt?
>
> For information the card type is PQI 32Mb P/N FC032, I am also using
> ACECARD3.COM as that was the only way of getting the Card to work.


Well, there is no specific voltage at which flash cards cause problems.
BUT: PQI cards seem to cause problems more often than other cards, most
recommended are Sandisk, they are slightly more expensive, but the
virtually never fail. Most of us use Sandisk cards and are extremely
satisfied.
Maybe the PQI cards just need too much power.
It is also not usual that a 32MB card already needs the Acecard driver.
Usually you need that driver only with very large cards (256MB and
above).

Please see my list of working cards on
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/200lx

Hope this helps
daniel

P.S.: And what you should know now that you switched from SRAM to
Flash:
NEVER run the memory card test from the LX's self test menu (Esc-On)
when a (compact) flash card is inserted, this will destroy the data and
maybe even the card! This test is only for SRAM cards!

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Le Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:20:05 -0000
Dave S <dave@SMITH64.NDO.CO.UK> a =E9crit:

> For information the card type is PQI 32Mb P/N FC032, I am also using
> ACECARD3.COM as that was the only way of getting the Card to work.

We have a few words in the list about PQI cards a few months ago. You
will below find a message I sent a this time.

Anyway, PQI seems definitely to be a brand to not use on the palmtop...


Retransmis par :  Jacques Belin <jbelin@altern.org>
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Date:    Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:20:58 +0200
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----


Le Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:09:36 +0200
Vagner Martin <MVagner@ANECT.COM> a =E9crit:

> 64MB PQI Compact Flash and it doesn't work without the acecard driver.

A few months ago, I used a PQI CF Card, to transfer pictures from a
digital camera to my HP200 (2MB, SS).

I don't remember if it was a 64Mb or a 32MB, but it worked without any
driver (I would have said it was a 64MB if you don't said your card
don't worked without a driver...).

But, even if the card worked, I don't think it could be used permanently
on the palmtop, as it claimed a "Low card battery" warning...

Jacques.

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> Lets start some LETS system on the list. - ( Like one 'LET' equals one
> dollar or euro).

I like the idea of having our own currency....

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As I mentioned to the person who started this thread, Norton
Utilities 6.1 has TS.exe, TextSearch 74k. This utility works
similar to XTGold's xtg-find in that it can span directories,
subdirectories, disks or even specific wildcard files, ie
*.doc or *.txt files only. Very fast and useful.

Bob
 Bob Christopher . Littleton, Colorado USA . bob@palmtop.com
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When charging NiMh batteries (Ansmann 1800 mAh) inside the HP200LX with =
the
regular HP adaptor I get a "battery error" message if a Flash or Modem =
Card
is inserted. It is independent from the charging program, i.e. it happens
using ABC but also with the built-in utility. Of course my setting is =
NiCd.
Has anyone had the same?

Jan Pieter

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Bob Christopher wrote:
> This utility works similar to XTGold's xtg-find

And I thought my idea so original when I cobbled together that utility
ten years ago.

Axel

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On 14 Dec 2002 at 9:36, Woody B wrote:

> Several weeks ago I asked a question about the program Info Select. I
> received several great off list replies. Thank you.
>
> One msg mentioned an Info Select Manual was for sale on ebay.? I thought I'd
> saved the msg, but after searching my HD - evidently not. Have searched ebay
> but didn't find, tho' I'm not a user of ebay so may have missed it. If the
> writer has any more info please let me know. I still may open the right
> moving box and find the manual, but it may have gone to Sal Army in the
> great "moving across country purge".

I am not the original poster, but you can search the completed auctions to see
if the manual ever sold.

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According to the Developer's Guide, that message occurs:

"as a result of the detection of overvoltage.  It will
occur if an attempt is made to recharge the main
batteries when there are no batteries installed.  It may
also occur if an attempt is made to recharge Alkaline
batteries."
Have you tried a new set of batteries?

On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:48:19 +0100, Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:

>When charging NiMh batteries (Ansmann 1800 mAh) inside the HP200LX with the
>regular HP adaptor I get a "battery error" message if a Flash or Modem Card
>is inserted. It is independent from the charging program, i.e. it happens
>using ABC but also with the built-in utility. Of course my setting is NiCd.
>Has anyone had the same?

>Jan Pieter



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A big thank you, to all for responding my .... Compact Flash PQI 32Mb card
question P/N FC032.

From what I can gather from your replies on Compact Flash cards and the
HP200LX:-

1) I brought the wrong type (PQI), should have got Sandisk, which are better
for the HP200LX
2) Older Compact Flash cards (<2000), which probably use less current, are
better for the HP200LX.
3) PQI cards seem to cause problems more often than other cards, probably
take more current.
4) I shouldn't need the Acecard driver, with less than 256Mb card..
5) NEVER run the memory card test on Flash cards (thanks for that one!)
6) Current pulses from the flash card probably overload the HP200LX
inverter.
7) Ni-CADs may be better due to lower internal resistance for the newer
Compact Flash cards.
8) It may drain power even if it is not active.  I have done a few current
measurements, which seem to indicate its OK here, but I'll keep my eye on
that one or get a different card in which case I won't.
9) Card adapter may be faulty / lower quality.
10) The FAT may get corrupted and you may not notice for a while. (sounds
risky)

Avi. I do not know any info about the card in terms of power needed during
write I can't find any data.

Daniel H, For info for your great web page, PQI 32Mb, P/N FC032, Type I,  I
have a 2Mb HP200LX running at the original speed, BIOS 1.01A

thanks again

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Thanks Thomas

This would mean that the interior resistance of the batteries could be to
high or that the contacts are not clean enough (which does not seem te be
the case). I use two sets and they are fairly new. Both sets produce the
same error. But strange enough there is no problem when no card is =
inserted.

JP

>         Thomas E. Cannard schrieb / =E9crivait / wrote:
> According to the Developer's Guide, that message occurs:
>
> "as a result of the detection of overvoltage.  It will
> occur if an attempt is made to recharge the main
> batteries when there are no batteries installed.  It may
> also occur if an attempt is made to recharge Alkaline
> batteries."
> Have you tried a new set of batteries?
>
> On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:48:19 +0100, Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:
>
> >When charging NiMh batteries (Ansmann 1800 mAh) inside the HP200LX =
with the
> >regular HP adaptor I get a "battery error" message if a Flash or Modem =
Card
> >is inserted. It is independent from the charging program, i.e. it =
happens
> >using ABC but also with the built-in utility. Of course my setting is =
NiCd.
> >Has anyone had the same?
>
> >Jan Pieter
>
> Tom Cannard  <cannard@bellatlantic.net>
> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~cannard
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In the guide it also says that resistance is not measured (which I=20
guess is why the battery type must be manually configured) - only
voltage (of course resistance affects voltage).  The other part of the
'problem' could be the card - have you tried another card?  Since the
200LX was originally designed when cards had batteries of their own,
the card might be fouling up the BIOS with an invalid ID.  I guess if
all of those diagnostics fail - you wouldn't happen to have another
200LX, would you - to see if maybe the analog to digital battery
voltage measuring circuit or the BIOS might be bad?  Does the
ABC program display the correct voltage from the batteries?
You could check it with other battery display programs on S.U.P.E.R.
Battery voltage would be easy enough to verify with a digital voltmeter.
Good luck!

On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:45:21 +0100, Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:

>Thanks Thomas

>This would mean that the interior resistance of the batteries could be t=
o
>high or that the contacts are not clean enough (which does not seem te b=
e
>the case). I use two sets and they are fairly new. Both sets produce the
>same error. But strange enough there is no problem when no card is inser=
ted.

>JP

>>         Thomas E. Cannard schrieb / =82crivait / wrote:
>> According to the Developer's Guide, that message occurs:
>>
>> "as a result of the detection of overvoltage.  It will
>> occur if an attempt is made to recharge the main
>> batteries when there are no batteries installed.  It may
>> also occur if an attempt is made to recharge Alkaline
>> batteries."
>> Have you tried a new set of batteries?
>>
>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:48:19 +0100, Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:
>>
>> >When charging NiMh batteries (Ansmann 1800 mAh) inside the HP200LX wi=
th the
>> >regular HP adaptor I get a "battery error" message if a Flash or Mode=
m Card
>> >is inserted. It is independent from the charging program, i.e. it hap=
pens
>> >using ABC but also with the built-in utility. Of course my setting is=
 NiCd.
>> >Has anyone had the same?
>>
>> >Jan Pieter


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At 12/15/02-09:54 AM, Dave S <dave@SMITH64.NDO.CO.UK> wrote:
>A big thank you, to all for responding my .... Compact Flash PQI 32Mb card
>question P/N FC032.
>
> >From what I can gather from your replies on Compact Flash cards and the
>HP200LX:-

Thank you for the excellent summary!!!

>4) I shouldn't need the Acecard driver, with less than 256Mb card..

Not always true. I have used for two-three years a 512MB with no driver. It
depends on the circuitry of the card. I believe that Lexar innards make the
acecard3.com unnecessary, even if their name is not on the card (i.e. in
OEM cases.)

>6) Current pulses from the flash card probably overload the HP200LX
>inverter.

More like this: Extraordinary current requirements from the card, during
WRITE operation, can cause an overload on the battery, and when its voltage
drops too low, the palmtop will momentarily shut the current down thus
failing the write operation and the ensuing garbage on the drive.

>7) Ni-CADs may be better due to lower internal resistance for the newer
>Compact Flash cards.

CF cards are actually BETTER than older ATA cards because usually they take
LESS current.

>8) It may drain power even if it is not active.  I have done a few current
>measurements, which seem to indicate its OK here, but I'll keep my eye on
>that one or get a different card in which case I won't.

This is for the PQI, I assume.

>10) The FAT may get corrupted and you may not notice for a while. (sounds
>risky)

Generally you'll immediately notice. But it is possible that the corrpution
will happen affecting areas you do not normally use on the card, and the
manifestation (or realization :=( ...) will thus come later.

>Avi. I do not know any info about the card in terms of power needed during
>write I can't find any data.

Would be useful for Daniel's list.

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Hi Jan Pieter

06h47m ago Jan Pieter Beekhuis wrote:

> When charging NiMh batteries (Ansmann 1800 mAh) inside the HP200LX with the
> regular HP adaptor I get a "battery error" message if a Flash or Modem Card
> is inserted. It is independent from the charging program, i.e. it happens
> using ABC but also with the built-in utility. Of course my setting is NiCd.
> Has anyone had the same?

I use Ansmann 1800 NiMHs without any problem, most of the time with a
Sandisk CF card in the slot, sometimes with an Accton 2216 card, also
with the original HP AC adapter.

daniel

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01h45m ago Dave S wrote:

> Daniel H, For info for your great web page, PQI 32Mb, P/N FC032, Type I,  I
> have a 2Mb HP200LX running at the original speed, BIOS 1.01A

okay, will add that to my list soon, but of course as a problematic
setup.
BIOS 1.01A - that could be the reason why YOU need the driver, but
others don't... Do you have another LX to test with, which has a 1.02A
BIOS?

daniel


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Le Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:54:21 -0000
Dave S <dave@SMITH64.NDO.CO.UK> a =E9crit:

> 9) Card adapter may be faulty / lower quality.

BTW, If I had problem with a PQI CF card, I use a PQI CF->PCMCIA adapter
without any problem..

=2E..And when I tested the PQI card, it was with the same adapter...

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Does anyone know the power and performance values of the "San Disk CF"  and
"San Disk CF Ultra" cards? It seems that, ultras are new in the market and I
wonder if they really worth buying.

Thanks...

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Thomas E. Cannard wrote:
> Battery voltage would be easy enough to verify with a digital voltmeter.

Note: battery voltage MUST be measured under load.  All
batteries, including almost dead ones, will measure close to
their max voltage when not under load.  Checking batteries in
your hand can be very misleading.

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> Does anyone know the power and performance values of the "San
Disk CF"  and
> "San Disk CF Ultra" cards? It seems that, ultras are new in the
market and I
> wonder if they really worth buying.

You can get the specs on each from the Sandisk site.  I read them
some time ago and there's a lot of difference in the specs but I
don't know enough about electronics to know what the difference
means.

It seems that someone on this list some time ago expressed doubts
that the 200lx can take advantage of the higher specs but I'm not
sure I remember that right.

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I caught this thread late.  The Sandisk Ultra CF cards are best in high
speed needs of digital cameras. the Ultra will save info at 2.8
megs/sec. which about twice as fast as the specs on regular cards.  This
is good for the movie modes in digital cameras where you are taking many
frames/sec.    =Bob=

Barry wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. G. OZISIK" <agozisik@TTNET.NET.TR>
> To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 3:10 PM
> Subject: San CF cards
>
> > Does anyone know the power and performance values of the "San
> Disk CF"  and
> > "San Disk CF Ultra" cards? It seems that, ultras are new in the
> market and I
> > wonder if they really worth buying.
>
> You can get the specs on each from the Sandisk site.  I read them
> some time ago and there's a lot of difference in the specs but I
> don't know enough about electronics to know what the difference
> means.
>
> It seems that someone on this list some time ago expressed doubts
> that the 200lx can take advantage of the higher specs but I'm not
> sure I remember that right.
>
> Barry
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At 12/15/02-03:10 PM, "A. G. OZISIK" <projekontrol@cs.com> wrote:
>Does anyone know the power and performance values of the "San Disk CF"  and
>"San Disk CF Ultra" cards? It seems that, ultras are new in the market and I
>wonder if they really worth buying.

Ultras have been around for about a year or longer. Mostly they are sold to
the digital camera crowd. As picture sizes grew, it was necessary to have
"engines" that can write faster to the drive, and that's what the ultras
are about. I am not sure they really improve life so much on the Palmtop -
we do not generally write 1-2MB files one after the other to disk... I am
not sure if their power requirements are higher in general. I *AM* sure
their price is higher! <bg>...

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Michel wrote: "Lets start some LETS system on the list. - ( Like one 'LET'
equals one dollar or euro)..{snip} (Dr Nat and Radek, you do not need to
chase)"

LETS (Local Exchange Trading System) was started by a Candian (Michael
Linton) in `82 on Vancouver Island and spread to Europe, Australia, South
America, and Japan.

i just spent a LETS weekend in La Rochelle (Atlantic) without Euros. i run
the local SEL group since `89 which is connected with 100s of SELs in France
(and World-wide)

our 'currency is called 'Chiraq' a pun to our president. should we call the
HPLX-L currency 'Kind' or 'Goldstein' (it is worth a stone of gold)  ;)
<twinkly grin> ?!?

to run a HPLX-L LETS we need a central bookkeeper  :) .. any nominations ?!?

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Perhaps a good nomination would be the person who has the largest collection
of HP database I have ever seen.

Hint:  They total 11MB in a zip file.

8-)

Eric

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<SNIP>
> to run a HPLX-L LETS we need a central bookkeeper  :) .. any nominations
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>
> Dr.Nat ;)
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12h29m ago A. G. OZISIK wrote:

> Does anyone know the power and performance values of the "San Disk CF"  and
> "San Disk CF Ultra" cards? It seems that, ultras are new in the market and I
> wonder if they really worth buying.

The Sandisk Ultra CF are based on the new NAND technology and thus may
not work at all in the 200LX.
Any experiences?

daniel

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I have an early version of the Sandisk Ultra 512MB CF that I use for on my
Canon S10 and Jornada 720 for pictures and MP3.  It works fine for both
these devices.

However, it is not recognised on my 200LX.  I do not have any drivers loaded
in the 200LX.  I normally use a Sandisk 96MB CF card in it.

rgds
weemeng

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Hertrich" <daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: San CF cards

> The Sandisk Ultra CF are based on the new NAND technology and thus may
> not work at all in the 200LX.
> Any experiences?
>
> daniel

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I was trying to find a DOS program to control my Kodak DC215 camera.
Everything what I found was program for Kodak DC20, then Camwork and
Camedos.
According to readme files not usefull for this model. Is there any other DOS
program
to try which I missed?

Of course it has a CF card storage, but this means to have enough space on
C: drive
to copy images to 200lx.

Thanks for any hint.

        Radek

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Avi wrote>

> >8) It may drain power even if it is not active.  I have done a few
current
> >measurements, which seem to indicate its OK here, but I'll keep my eye on
> >that one or get a different card in which case I won't.
>
> This is for the PQI, I assume.

Yes, my tests were on the PQI, looked no different to the SRAM card.

>
> >10) The FAT may get corrupted and you may not notice for a while. (sounds
> >risky)
>
> Generally you'll immediately notice. But it is possible that the
corrpution
> will happen affecting areas you do not normally use on the card, and the
> manifestation (or realization :=( ...) will thus come later.
>

I did some experiments, some were hidden and not immediately apparent.

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Jacques. > Wrote

I also have the PQI adapter.

Dave S

> BTW, If I had problem with a PQI CF card, I use a PQI CF->PCMCIA adapter
> without any problem..
>
> ...And when I tested the PQI card, it was with the same adapter...
>
>

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Sorry I only have two PALM tops a almost dead one (duff screen and hinge)
and a 2Mb one, both with 1.01A BIOS.

PQI 32Mb, P/N FC032, problematic set-up it is. LXCIC reports the PQI 32Mb as
"32MB".

I have now got hold of an old 8Mb CF card, a Canon FC-8M which LXCIC reports
as "HITACHI FLASH 4.0".
This card  works without acecard3.com and seems to be faster at power on.
I notice that someone has reported this card to you, Daniel, as you have it
on your web site.
I have put the old batteries in at around 2.51 V and will be running tests
till they die, will let you know of my experiences.

Interesting point I noticed is that the allocation size reported by chkdsk
is :-
2048 for the PQI 32Mb CF
4096 for the Canon 8Mb CF

May be this is the reason acecard3.com is required, different H/W controller
may be in the CF I think.
I did format both cards on a Win98 system using a USB adapter, no options
were available for allocation size in the format of either card.

Dave S



----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel Hertrich <daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE>
To: <>
Sent: 15 December 2002 20:59
Subject: Re: TECH: Compact Flash error at low voltage


> 01h45m ago Dave S wrote:
>
> > Daniel H, For info for your great web page, PQI 32Mb, P/N FC032, Type I,
I
> > have a 2Mb HP200LX running at the original speed, BIOS 1.01A
>
> okay, will add that to my list soon, but of course as a problematic
> setup.
> BIOS 1.01A - that could be the reason why YOU need the driver, but
> others don't... Do you have another LX to test with, which has a 1.02A
> BIOS?
>
> daniel

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Date:         Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:11:58 +0800
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Hi,

I am using a 512MB card, but have to load ACECARD3.COM (available on
SUPER) before I can access the card on my 200LX.

Regards,

Jorgen

> I have an early version of the Sandisk Ultra 512MB CF that I use for on =
my
> Canon S10 and Jornada 720 for pictures and MP3.  It works fine for both
> these devices.
>
> However, it is not recognised on my 200LX.  I do not have any drivers =
loaded
> in the 200LX.  I normally use a Sandisk 96MB CF card in it.
>
> rgds
> weemeng
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Hertrich" <daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE>
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: San CF cards
>
> > The Sandisk Ultra CF are based on the new NAND technology and thus =
may
> > not work at all in the 200LX.
> > Any experiences?
> >
> > daniel
>

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Alltough the readme says that it's not usefull I would try it anyway... All
that can go wrong is that you lose your pictures (so be sure not to have any
pictures you want to save)...

[n]
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From: "Svagr, Radek" <radek.svagr@INVENSYS.COM>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:09 PM
Subject: connecting a Kodak DC21x camera?


> I was trying to find a DOS program to control my Kodak DC215 camera.
> Everything what I found was program for Kodak DC20, then Camwork and
> Camedos.
> According to readme files not usefull for this model. Is there any other
DOS
> program
> to try which I missed?
>
> Of course it has a CF card storage, but this means to have enough space on
> C: drive
> to copy images to 200lx.
>
> Thanks for any hint.
>
>         Radek
>
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Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> The Sandisk Ultra CF are based on the new NAND technology and thus may
> not work at all in the 200LX.
> Any experiences?

I have a 256MB SanDisk Ultra CF (SDCFH) for a Psion 5mx, which I bought
april 2002. It works also
in my HP200LX without any driver.

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Date:         Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:23:49 -0000
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I will try it. I have already tried Camwork with no success. However in the
Camedos documentation
it is mentioned that it will not work with Kodak cameras. I am quite sure
that there is another program
for Kodak cameras but I can't remember details. Also I wil try the one for
DC20...

Radek

>  -----Original Message-----
> From:         HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>   On Behalf Of
Niels <hp700lx@SOFTHOME.NET>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:11 AM
> To:   HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject:      Re: connecting a Kodak DC21x camera?
>
> Alltough the readme says that it's not usefull I would try it anyway...
All
> that can go wrong is that you lose your pictures (so be sure not to have
any
> pictures you want to save)...
>
> [n]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Svagr, Radek" <radek.svagr@INVENSYS.COM>
> To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:09 PM
> Subject: connecting a Kodak DC21x camera?
>
>
> > I was trying to find a DOS program to control my Kodak DC215 camera.
> > Everything what I found was program for Kodak DC20, then Camwork and
> > Camedos.
> > According to readme files not usefull for this model. Is there any other
> DOS
> > program
> > to try which I missed?
> >
> > Of course it has a CF card storage, but this means to have enough space
on
> > C: drive
> > to copy images to 200lx.
> >
> > Thanks for any hint.
> >
> >         Radek
> >
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I have a small problem with display. It has two vertical lines missing.
The strange thing is that it is not visible always, it depends what is shown
on the display. How to fix it?

I should add that it appeared after backlight installation. I am
not sure if this can be caused by two conductive rubber pads under display
or something else. Applying a pressure to the display on the places where
the conductive rubber pads are doesn't help.

After euphory from backlight I am slowly starting to hate this:-(

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Dave,

I agree with the other posters that the CF card is almost certainly the
problem.

I have 3 200lx's that I have been running battery tests with for some
months. I use 1600mAh NiMH (Radio Shack) batteries on the 2 test units and
1800mAh NiMH (Quest) for my daily use unit. I was looking at the difference
in Battery life between single speed (SS) and Double speed (DS) units as
well as how much effect using a PC card has on Battery life. Results are
below.

Bottom line is that the speed upgrade has almost NO effect on battery life
by itself. The big hit is the PCMCIA memory cards. SS 2MB 200lx gives
~56hrs of runtime (full charge to shutdown). SS 6MB 200lx ~55hrs of runtime
(full charge to shutdown). DS 6MB 200lx ~53hrs of runtime (full charge to
shutdown). SS 2MB 200lx with Simpletec 128MB PC card ~18hrs of runtime
(full charge to shutdown). SS 6MB 200lx with Simpletec 128MB PC card ~18hrs
of runtime (full charge to shutdown). DS 6MB 200lx with Simpletec 128MB PC
card ~11hrs of runtime (full charge to shutdown).  All these tests are
using Radio Shack 1600mAh NiMH AA's. Runtime calculated by using Buddy to
shut off light sleep and running till shutdown at 2.00v.

This compares favorably to my everyday use DS 6MB 200lx with a SanDisk
220MB card, 1800mAh NiMH batteries with a runtime of ~13hrs (light sleep
on-normal operation).

I have some 2100mAh NiMH batteries on order from Batteries.com. If they
really are 2100mAh I expect my daily use 200lx to go to ~14-15hrs of
runtime.

Happy Holidays

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My experience with transferring data over the 200LX serial cable is that I find it agonizingly S-L-O-W even with the TransFile program to a PC running Windows.  My sister has a DC120 and found it was far more efficient (and MUCH less frustrating) to
invest in a 32 MB upgraded 200LX so there is adequate room on the 'C' Drive to transfer some pictures from the camera card directly, then transfer to another card for safe keeping.  I figure a person's time is worth something in this equasion, but to each
their own.  I don't know what your average picture file size is, but there are also devices designed specifically for transferring pictures to any laptop hard drive which cost about the same as a 32 MB upgrade.  True, those devices are only useful for
storing files, but that can include backups of a 200LX also and not just pictures.
>
> From: "Svagr, Radek" <radek.svagr@INVENSYS.COM>
> Date: 2002/12/17 Tue AM 11:23:49 EST
> To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Re: connecting a Kodak DC21x camera?
>
> I will try it. I have already tried Camwork with no success. However in the
> Camedos documentation
> it is mentioned that it will not work with Kodak cameras. I am quite sure
> that there is another program
> for Kodak cameras but I can't remember details. Also I wil try the one for
> DC20...
>
> Radek

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 >Perhaps a good nomination would be the person who has
 >the largest collection of HP database {snip} 11MB in a zip file.

wait till ver.2 arrives  :) .. triple the size! (all those French wines and
cheeses)

re. LETS i`d use Lotus 123 to keep track of accounts (unless there is a way
with the Apps DB engine to do accounting with DBV.EXE ?!?)

also, LETS will be a good way to pay Daniel, Bob, and others for
non-material services (keeping up SUPER, HPLXLIST.GDB etc) .. we could even
include Andreas, Alan, Mack, the Japanese and others (PE, QUICKV, TIMES2-T.,
MAXDOS) and give them more incentives to do `ver.2` (hint) .. but, that
would make the LETS-ACC.WK1 a monster too hot/big for me to service,

Dr.Nat ;)
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Many thanks to Curtis Cameron for supplying the Pascal source
code for his RPN program. I spent some time yesterday digging
around for my old Turbo Pascal compiler. I've created a custom
version of RPN for my own use. The only difference from the
original version is that I have the Frac5 in effect by default,
so I don't have to type it in. It was quite easy to make the
change, the program is very organized and well done. My
executable is 27k, while the original is much smaller, I'm not
sure what happened there.

If anyone would like a copy of the modified executable, just let
me know. I hope this is ok with you Curtis, just let me know
otherwise.

Best Regards,
Tom Salwasser

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Date:         Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:53:48 +0100
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Hi,

Is there some lotus function that returns a blank cell? I mean: i want to do
some IF function like this:

If the cell A1 contains the number 3 show 1 otherwise show nothing (blank
cell)
That should be something like this:
@IF(A1=3,1,@BLANK)
OF course @BLANK doesnt exist... is there some function that does that? Or
do i just have to use "" (but then i think its interpreted as a label and
not really as a blank cell).

Can somebody help me out?

Bye,

Cheiz

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Just say: @IF(A1=3D3,1,"")

Jan Pieter

> -- Original Message --
> Date:         Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:53:48 +0100
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> From:         Gijs Leegwater <g_leegwater@HOTMAIL.COM>
> Subject:      Lotus 1-2-3 blank cell
> To:           HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Is there some lotus function that returns a blank cell? I mean: i want
to
> do
> some IF function like this:
>
> If the cell A1 contains the number 3 show 1 otherwise show nothing (bla=
nk
> cell)
> That should be something like this:
> @IF(A1=3D3,1,@BLANK)
> OF course @BLANK doesnt exist... is there some function that does that?=

Or
> do i just have to use "" (but then i think its interpreted as a label
and
> not really as a blank cell).
>
> Can somebody help me out?
>
> Bye,
>
> Cheiz
>
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Hi,

Last days im experimenting with Lotus a bit. Now i want t make some cool
spreadsheet but therefore i need some answers....

-Why does @CELL always say a function is a VALUE even when it is a string
function (like @char(64))

-How does @@ work?? When i put hi! or the value 5 in B1 and in A1 i put
@@(B1) it just says ERR in that cell...

Bye,

Cheiz....

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Hi Gijs,

I guess you need 123 reference material to study for for experiments.
Perhaps someone has an electronic copy or a database for 123?

@CELL(attribute,range) returns information about an *attribute* for the
first cell in 'range'

@@(location) returns contents of the cell 'location' refers to

There is a lot to discover! You need a book with recipes.

Jan Pieter

>         Gijs Leegwater schrieb/=E9crivait/wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Last days im experimenting with Lotus a bit. Now i want t make some =
cool
> spreadsheet but therefore i need some answers....
>
> -Why does @CELL always say a function is a VALUE even when it is a =
string
> function (like @char(64))
>
> -How does @@ work?? When i put hi! or the value 5 in B1 and in A1 i put
> @@(B1) it just says ERR in that cell...
>
> Bye,
>
> Cheiz....
>
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I downloaded a flie called 123hlp.gdb years ago which has all the 123
functions and is readable using the database function on the 100/200LX. I
can't recall where it came from, but it might already be on Super.

Regards,

John W. McCaskill, PE



Hi Gijs,

I guess you need 123 reference material to study for for experiments.
Perhaps someone has an electronic copy or a database for 123?

@CELL(attribute,range) returns information about an *attribute* for the
first cell in 'range'

@@(location) returns contents of the cell 'location' refers to

There is a lot to discover! You need a book with recipes.

Jan Pieter

>         Gijs Leegwater schrieb/=E9crivait/wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Last days im experimenting with Lotus a bit. Now i want t make some coo=
l
> spreadsheet but therefore i need some answers....
>
> -Why does @CELL always say a function is a VALUE even when it is a stri=
ng
> function (like @char(64))
>
> -How does @@ work?? When i put hi! or the value 5 in B1 and in A1 i put
> @@(B1) it just says ERR in that cell...
>
> Bye,
>
> Cheiz....
>
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Hi Gijs,

Here are some examples:

Type  hello  in cell A1
Type  bonjour  in A2
Type  hallo  in B1
Type  Gijs  in B2

Type @cell("contents",A1..B2) in cell C1 and see what it displays.


Type  B2  in cell C2
Type  @@(C2) in cell C3 and see what C3 displays
Type  A2  in cell C2 and see what C3 says now


Jan Pieter

>         Gijs Leegwater schrieb/=E9crivait/wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Last days im experimenting with Lotus a bit. Now i want t make some =
cool
> spreadsheet but therefore i need some answers....
>
> -Why does @CELL always say a function is a VALUE even when it is a =
string
> function (like @char(64))
>
> -How does @@ work?? When i put hi! or the value 5 in B1 and in A1 i put
> @@(B1) it just says ERR in that cell...
>
> Bye,
>
> Cheiz....
>
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At 12/18/02-01:22 PM, Jan Pieter Beekhuis <beekhuis@TISCALI.CH> wrote:
>Hi Gijs,
>
>I guess you need 123 reference material to study for for experiments.
>Perhaps someone has an electronic copy or a database for 123?

S.U.P.E.R. has an excellent database with extremely detailed explanations
on nearly everything in 1-2-3. (I know, I slaved on part of it along with
my good colleagues! <g>...) the direct link is:
http://www.palmtop.net/cgi-bin/count-redir.pl?dbname=123hlp.zip&URL=http://www.palmtop.net/anonftp/pub/123hlp.zip

File name 123hlp.zip

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:29 PM
Subject: A few more lotus questions


> Hi,
>
> Last days im experimenting with Lotus a bit. Now i want t make
some cool
> spreadsheet but therefore i need some answers....
>
> -Why does @CELL always say a function is a VALUE even when it is
a string
> function (like @char(64))
>
> -How does @@ work?? When i put hi! or the value 5 in B1 and in A1
i put
> @@(B1) it just says ERR in that cell...

I know you already got a lot of offers of information.  I also have
the Norton Guide Lotus 123 Version 2.2 (I think it's 2.2) reference
for Lotus.  I think the ones originally published by Norton are all
public domain now.  Anybody know for sure?

If so I'll be happy to pass it on and put it on Super.

If we're not sure of it's status, well, email me if you want and we
can discuss whether or not it should be available.

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Thanks Avi!

I knew I had seen it and I now remember having used the database. Great
work! I downloaded it again because these things are often still valid in
Quattro Pro which I use a lot at work. Gijs will be able to find all he
needs in there. Unfortunately the Palmtop is rather slow if you search in
the database :(

Jan Pieter

>         Avi Meshar schrieb/=E9crivait/wrote:
> At 12/18/02-01:22 PM, Jan Pieter Beekhuis <beekhuis@TISCALI.CH> wrote:
> >Hi Gijs,
> >
> >I guess you need 123 reference material to study for for experiments.
> >Perhaps someone has an electronic copy or a database for 123?
>
> S.U.P.E.R. has an excellent database with extremely detailed explanation=
s
> on nearly everything in 1-2-3. (I know, I slaved on part of it along =
with
> my good colleagues! <g>...) the direct link is:
> http://www.palmtop.net/cgi-bin/count-redir.pl?dbname=3D123hlp.zip&URL=3D=
http://www.palmtop.net/anonftp/pub/123hlp.zip
>
> File name 123hlp.zip
>
> Avi
>
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On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:01:44 -0600 Tom Salwasser wrote:
>I've created a custom
>version of RPN for my own use. The only difference from the
>original version is that I have the Frac5 in effect by default,
>so I don't have to type it in.

Instead of re-compiling, you could just create a batch file to start
RPN with the command 'rpn frac5'. Since it treats anything on the
command line as calculator entries, you could do any of several tricks
this way.

I just posted v1.24 of RPN, which puts comma separators when
displaying numbers in fixed notation. Is there any need to have the
option to swap the commas for the dots?

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At 12/18/02-05:49 PM, Jan Pieter Beekhuis <beekhuis@TISCALI.CH> wrote:
>I knew I had seen it and I now remember having used the database. Great
>work! I downloaded it again because these things are often still valid in
>Quattro Pro which I use a lot at work. Gijs will be able to find all he
>needs in there. Unfortunately the Palmtop is rather slow if you search in
>the database :(

Yeah... :-( I suffered from that too. I used a flat form of the file and
used various tools to search it, such as PE, FIND/LX, GREP and so on. In
case you or anyone else want the file I uploaded it to D&A FTP site at

ftp://ftp.dasoft.com/pub/MISC/123hlp.txt and also at

http://www.alwaysafe.com/dasoft/public_ftp/MISC/123hlp.txt

BTW: to create the output I used the Palmtop's database to create a clip
then migrated the database with the clip to the desktop and used the WINGDB
to open the database and take a clip of all the entries, then saved them as
text.

Hope this helps.  Happy Holidays!

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hi Barry,

Barry schrieb am 18 Dec 2002 um 17:38:

>
> I know you already got a lot of offers of information.  I also have
> the Norton Guide Lotus 123 Version 2.2 (I think it's 2.2) reference
> for Lotus.  I think the ones originally published by Norton are all
> public domain now.  Anybody know for sure?
>
I only know that I'd like to have it ;-)

cheers,
Werner


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hi friends,

cliff omwoyo schrieb am 18 Dec 2002 um 12:04:

> Please (OH please ) SMS me the answers you think may be
> right to my mobile number +254722322065 or better yet call me up. This
> presentation is really important to me.

better check what "Payload" this number has. When I read this
message, some red lamps in my control room started blinking.

cheers,
Werner

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Doh! Why didn't I think of that?!?! Thanks for the great idea.
Oh well, I enjoyed playing around with  my old Turbo Pascal
compiler.

> Instead of re-compiling, you could just create a batch file to
start
> RPN with the command 'rpn frac5'.

The dots work fine for me Curtis. By the way, what did you
update for v1.21-v1.23?

> I just posted v1.24 of RPN, which puts comma separators when
> displaying numbers in fixed notation. Is there any need to
have the
> option to swap the commas for the dots?
>
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Hello list,

I have a 200lx for sale- f1060A ABB 1mb ram Euro English.
I have only ever owned the one unit so I cannot compare its condition to =
anything.

I would say it was an 8.5/10. The screen is good, the hinges are good, =
the clasp is soft/broken. The keyboard is good if a little soft (space, =
enter etc).

Cosmetically very nice and functionality perfect besides the clasp =
asaik. Anyone interested in buying it please contact me. If I don't hear =
from anybody it goes up on Ebay.com/uk.

It has the manual, hp serial cable and original connectivity pack =
floppies.

best regards,
Mike

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello list,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have a 200lx for sale- f1060A ABB 1mb =
ram Euro=20
English.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have only ever owned the one unit so =
I cannot=20
compare its condition to anything.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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screen is good,=20
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little=20
soft (space, enter etc).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cosmetically very nice and =
functionality perfect=20
besides the clasp asaik. Anyone interested in buying it please contact =
me. If I=20
don't hear from anybody it goes up on Ebay.com/uk.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It has the manual, hp serial cable and =
original=20
connectivity pack floppies.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 3:24 AM
Subject: Re: A few more lotus questions


> hi Barry,
>
> Barry schrieb am 18 Dec 2002 um 17:38:
>
> >
> > I know you already got a lot of offers of information.  I also
have
> > the Norton Guide Lotus 123 Version 2.2 (I think it's 2.2)
reference
> > for Lotus.  I think the ones originally published by Norton are
all
> > public domain now.  Anybody know for sure?
> >
> I only know that I'd like to have it ;-)

Send me a private email and I'll send it in a reply.

I'm at barryATfbtcDOTnet.

If you're in Germany you might not be able to send to me for some
reason and you can send it to barryemATyahooDOTcom but I'll get it
faster at the other address.

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Thanks for uploading Avi, useful!
JP

>         Avi Meshar schrieb/=E9crivait/wrote:
> At 12/18/02-05:49 PM, Jan Pieter Beekhuis <beekhuis@TISCALI.CH> wrote:
> >I knew I had seen it and I now remember having used the database. =
Great
> >work! I downloaded it again because these things are often still valid =
in
> >Quattro Pro which I use a lot at work. Gijs will be able to find all =
he
> >needs in there. Unfortunately the Palmtop is rather slow if you search =
in
> >the database :(
>
> Yeah... :-( I suffered from that too. I used a flat form of the file =
and
> used various tools to search it, such as PE, FIND/LX, GREP and so on. =
In
> case you or anyone else want the file I uploaded it to D&A FTP site at
>
> ftp://ftp.dasoft.com/pub/MISC/123hlp.txt and also at
>
> http://www.alwaysafe.com/dasoft/public_ftp/MISC/123hlp.txt
>
> BTW: to create the output I used the Palmtop's database to create a =
clip
> then migrated the database with the clip to the desktop and used the =
WINGDB
> to open the database and take a clip of all the entries, then saved =
them as
> text.
>
> Hope this helps.  Happy Holidays!
>
> Avi
>
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<CLIP>
> BIOS 1.01A - that could be the reason why YOU need the driver, but
> others don't... Do you have another LX to test with, which has a 1.02A
> BIOS?
>
> daniel
***************************
Daniel,
FWIW
I have one of the oldest 200lx's with BIOS version 1.00A.
I have no problem reading a 220MB Sandisk PCMCIA card without drivers.
As several have said, it seems likely that Dave's problem is the card, and
not the BIOS.
Later,
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Hi there,

I just would like to check! :-) I have a few HP OmiGo 700LX in
different conditions, one being new with the box and all.

So since I don't need so many HP 700LX- anyone out there interested to
buy a unit or so? :-) If yes, please contact me directly.

Thanks and Regards,

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Hi All:

A quick "heads up":

I didn't get my asking price for my 100lx, so it is on ebay again with a
lowered reserve ($300)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3734&item=1945822290&
rd=1


Happy Hoildays to All!

Cheers...Al Kind
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Date:         Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:04:42 -0600
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FYI: Curtis Cameron  has removed the need for the delay.pas file by
eliminating the CRT code from the RPN program.

This means that the program can now handle DOS I/O redirection.  E.g.,
create a text file (say rpn.in) with the 2 lines 1 2 3 4 + + +  and Q.  Then
you can type
rpn < rpn.in  from the DOS command line and see the usual header line
followed by 0 10.0000 10.0000  You could also use the command rpn < rpn.in
>rpn.out and the rpn.out file would contain the text normally sent to the
screen.  Of course the rpn.in file can have many more lines of math data and
commands.

Be sure to end the input file with Q or you may wind up in an indefinite
loop or wind up with a multimegabyte output file.

I think there's an EOF operator in Pascal that could be used to stop the
program so the Q command wouldn't be necessary. It's been a long time since
I looked at Pascal.
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> I think there's an EOF operator in Pascal that could be used to
stop the
> program so the Q command wouldn't be necessary. It's been a long
time since
> I looked at Pascal.

I think if it's run in a batch file with "BREAK ON" than CTRL-Break
will stop the program.  That's regardless of language, unless the
program specifically avoids it.

Or you can always have BREAK ON and do that with most programs.

However, even though I've used that a million times, it's been a
long time so double check before you rely on it.

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Fri, 20.12.02 11:55 AM +0200

Hi friends,

the availablilty of the backlight upgrade kit will be slightly delayed.
Actualy announced for "before christmas", we must now say that the
backlight will not be available before middle of January 2003.

I will keep you up-to-date, also there will be an official backlight
homepage very soon, which will always reflect the current status of the
project.

And don't worry about the vanished page on
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/backlight
this page was temporary anyway, and I am just working on the new page,
which wil be released within the next few days.
("before christmas" <g>).

daniel

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Andrew,

How many others on the 200lx list are also on the EV list?

Obligatory Lx content:

One of my dreams is after I convert my '85 nissan 720PU to Electric is to
re-do my dashboard using an LCD disply driven by a 100klx motherboard. This
would allow data aquisition on speed/range/batt status as well as providing
an interface to an Emeter all being dumped to a PC card to export the data.

Idea's/suggestions?

Happy Holidays to All and a erry Merry New Year!

Joe Buford

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Happy Holidays to All

The shoe fits........  Enjoy.

Subject: Engineers

Comprehending Engineers -Two engineering
students were walking across campus when one
said, "Where did you get such a great bike?"
The second engineer replied, "Well, I was
walking along yesterday minding my own
business when a beautiful woman rode up on
this bike. She threw the bike to the ground, took off
all her clothes and said, "Take what you
want." "The second engineer nodded
approvingly, "Good choice; the clothes probably would't have
fit."

Comprehending Engineers - To the optimist,
the glass is half full. To the pessimist,
the glass is half empty. To the engineer,
the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

Comprehending Engineers - A pastor, a doctor
and an engineer were waiting one morning for
a particularly slow group of golfers. The
engineer fumed, "What's with these guys?
We must have been waiting for 15 minutes!"
The doctor chimed in, "I don't know, but
I've never seen such ineptitude!" The pastor
said, "Hey, here comes the greenskeeper.
Let's have a word with [DRAMATIC
PAUSE] "Hi George. Say, what's with that
group ahead of us? They're rather slow,
aren't they?" The greenskeeper replied, "Oh, yes, that's a
group of blind firefighters. They lost their
sight saving our clubhouse from a fire last
year, so we always let them play for free anytime."
The group was silent for a moment. The
pastor said, "That's so sad. I think I will
say a special prayer for them tonight." The doctor said,
"Good idea. And I'm going to contact my
ophthalmologist buddy and see if there's
anything he can do for them." The engineer said, "Why can't
these guys play at night?"

Comprehending Engineers - Q. What is the
difference between Mechanical Engineers and
Civil Engineers?
A. Mechanical Engineers build weapons, Civil
Engineers build targets.

Comprehending Engineers -Three engineering
students were gathered together discussing
the possible designers of the human body.
One said, "It was a mechanical
engineer. Just look at all the joints."
Another said, "No, it was an electrical
engineer. The nervous system has many
thousands of electrical connections." The last said, "Actually it
was a civil engineer. Who else would run a
toxic waste pipeline through a recreational
area?"

Comprehending Engineers - An architect, an
artist and an engineer were discussing
whether it was better to spend time with the
wife or a mistress. The architect said he
enjoyed time with his wife, building a solid
foundation for an enduring relationship. The
artist said he enjoyed time with his
mistress, because of the passion and mystery he found there.
The engineer said, "I like both." "Both?"
Engineer: "Yeah. If you have a wife and a
mistress, they will each assume you are spending time
with the other woman, and you can go to the
lab and get some work done."

Comprehending Engineers - An engineer was
crossing a road one day when a frog called
out to him and said, "If you kiss me, I'll
turn into a beautiful princess". He bent
over, picked up the frog and put it in his
pocket. The frog spoke up again and said,
"If you kiss me and turn me back into a
beautiful princess, I will stay with you for one week." The
engineer took the frog out of his pocket,
smiled at it and returned it to the pocket.
The frog then cried out, "If you kiss me and turn me back into a
princess, I'll stay with you and do ANYTHING
you want." Again the engineer
took the frog out, smiled at it and put it
back into his pocket. Finally, the frog
asked, "What is the matter? I've told you
I'm a beautiful princess, that I'll stay with you for a week and do
anything you want. Why won't you kiss me?"
The engineer said, "Look I'm an engineer. I
don't have time for a girlfriend, but a talking frog,
now that's cool."
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Happy Holidays to All

The shoe fits........  Enjoy.

Subject: Engineers

Comprehending Engineers - Three engineers
and three accountants were traveling by
train to a conference. At the station, the
three accountants each bought tickets and
watched as the three engineers bought only a
single ticket. "How are three people going
to travel on only one ticket?" asked an
accountant. "Watch and you'll see," answered
an engineer. They all boarded the train. The
accountants took their respective seats, but
all three engineers cramed into a restroom and
closed the door behind them. Shortly after the train
departed, the conductor came around
collecting tickets. He knocked on the
restroom door and said, "Ticket, please." The door opened just
a crack and a single arm emerged with a
ticket in hand. The conductor took it and
moved on. The accountants saw this and agreed it
was quite a clever idea. So after the
conference, the accountants decided to copy
the engineers on the return trip and save some money
(being clever with money, and all that).
When they got to the station, they bought a
single ticket for the return trip. To their astonishment, the
engineers didn't buy a ticket at all. "How
are you going to travel without a ticket?"
said one perplexed accountant. "Watch and you'll
see," answered an engineer. When they
boarded the train, the three accountants
cramed into a restroom and the three engineers cramed into
another nearby. The train departed. Shortly afterward, one of the
engineers left his restroom and walked over
to the restroom where the accountants were
hiding. He knocked on the door and said, "Ticket,
please.

"Comprehending Engineers - A computer
programmer and an engineer are sitting next
to each other on an airplane. The programmer
leans over to the engineer and asks
if he wants to play a fun game. The engineer
just wants to sleep, so he politely
declines, turns away, and tries to sleep.
The programmer persists, saying that it's a real
easy game. He explains, "I ask a question,
and if you don't know the answer, you pay me
$5. Then you ask a question, and if I don't know the answer,
I'll pay you $5." Again, the engineer
politely declines and tries to sleep.
The programmer, now somewhat agitated, says,
"O.K., if you don't know the answer, you pay
me $5; and if I don't know the answer, I pay
you $50!" That gets the engineer's
attention, so he agrees to play the game.
The programmer asks the first questions.
"What's the distance from the earth to the moon?" The engineer
doesn't say a word, and just hands the
programmer $5. Now it's the engineer's turn. He asks the
programmer, "What goes up a hill with three
legs and comes down on four?" The programmer
looks at him with a puzzled expression, takes out
his laptop computer, looks through all his
references, and after about an hour wakes
the engineer and hands the engineer $50. The
engineer politely takes the $50, turns away,
and tries to return to sleep.
The programmer, a little miffed, asks,
"Well, what's the answer to the question?"
Without a word, the engineer reaches into
his wallet, hands $5 to the programmer, turns away, and
returns to sleep.

Comprehending Engineers - An Engineering
Student, a Physics Student, and a
Mathematics student were each given $150
dollars and were told to use that money to
find out exactly how tall a particular hotel
was. All three ran off, extremely keen on how to
do this. The Physics student went out,
purchased some stopwatches, a number of ball
bearings, a calculator, and got some friends. He had
them all time the drop of ball bearings from
the roof, and he then figured out the height
from the time it took for the bearings to accelerate
from rest until they impacted with the
sidewalk. The Math student waited until he sun was
going down, then she took out her
protractor, plumb line, measuring tape,and
scratch pad, measured the length of the shadow,
found the angle the buildings roof made from
the ground, and used trignometry to figure
out the height of the building.
These two students bumped into the
Engineering student the next day, who was
nursing a really bad hangover. When asked
what he did to find the height of the building he
replied: "Well, I walked up to the bell hop,
gave him 10 bucks, asked him how tall the
hotel was, and hit the bar inside for happy hour!"
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Happy Holidays to All

The shoe fits........  Enjoy.

Subject: Engineers

Comprehending Engineers - There was an
engineer who had an exceptional gift for
fixing all mechanical things. After serving
his company loyally for over 30 years, he
happily retired. Several years later his
company contacted him regarding a seemingly
impossible problem they were having with one
of their multi-million dollar machines. They
had tried everything and everyone else to
get the machine fixed, but to no avail. In
desperation,they called on the retired engineer who had
solved so many of their problems in the
past. The engineer reluctantly took the challenge.
He spent a day studying the huge machine. At
the end of the day he marked a small X in
chalk on a particular component of the
machine and proudly stated, "This is where
your problem is!" The part was replaced and
the machine worked perfectly again.
The company received a bill for $50,000 from
the engineer for his services. They demanded
an itemized accounting of his charges.
The engineer responded briefly:
One chalk mark ............... $1
Knowing where to put it ...... $49,999

Comprehending Engineers - An engineer dies
and reports to the pearly gates. St. Peter
checks his dossier and says, "Ah, you're an
engineer. You're in the wrong place,
fella." So the engineer disappointedly
reports to the gates of Hell wondering what
he had done to deserve this. Pretty soon,
having accepted his fate, the engineer gets dissatisfied
with the level of comfort in Hell, and
starts designing and building improvements.
After a while, they've
got air conditioning and flush toilets and
escalators, and the engineer is a pretty
popular guy. One day, God calls Satan up on His
telepathic connection and asks, "So, how's
it going down there in hell?" Satan replies,
"Hey, things are going great. We've got air conditioning and
flush toilets and escalators, and there's no
telling what this engineer is going to come
up with next. We're having a wonderful time." God
replies, "What??? You've got an engineer?
That's a mistake ? he should never have
gotten down there. Send him up here."
Satan says, "No way. I like having an
engineer on the staff, and I'm keeping
him." God says, "Send him back up here or
I'll sue." Satan laughs uproariously and answers, "Yeah,
right. And just where are YOU going to get a
lawyer?"

Comprehending Engineers -There is a half
glass of scotch on a table. The Arts student
says that it symbolises unfulfilled
emotions. The Science student starts calculating the exact
percentage full. The Engineering student
goes up to the glass, drinks the scotch and
asks, "What's the question?"
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Date:         Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:38:31 -0500
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> Idea's/suggestions?

Yeah.... go for the doublespeed upgrade.

8-)


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> Andrew,
>
> How many others on the 200lx list are also on the EV list?
>
> Obligatory Lx content:
>
> One of my dreams is after I convert my '85 nissan 720PU to Electric is to
> re-do my dashboard using an LCD disply driven by a 100klx motherboard.
This
> would allow data aquisition on speed/range/batt status as well as
providing
> an interface to an Emeter all being dumped to a PC card to export the
data.
>
> Idea's/suggestions?
>
> Happy Holidays to All and a erry Merry New Year!
>
> Joe Buford
>
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Eric,

:-) Ya, I plan on that. I allready have it on my 200lx's

Have a good Holiday!

joe




"Eric" <HPLX@BattleQuest.com> on 12/21/2002 11:38:31 AM

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> Idea's/suggestions?

Yeah.... go for the doublespeed upgrade.

8-)


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Subject: OT-EV List, LET


> Andrew,
>
> How many others on the 200lx list are also on the EV list?
>
> Obligatory Lx content:
>
> One of my dreams is after I convert my '85 nissan 720PU to Electric is to
> re-do my dashboard using an LCD disply driven by a 100klx motherboard.
This
> would allow data aquisition on speed/range/batt status as well as
providing
> an interface to an Emeter all being dumped to a PC card to export the
data.
>
> Idea's/suggestions?
>
> Happy Holidays to All and a erry Merry New Year!
>
> Joe Buford
>
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Hello Listers!



I'll be AFK from tomorrow (23/12) till 4 january 2003.
I'll be in France near Dijon so if one (or more) of my fellow listers lives
nearby and wants to arange a meeting you can still mail be privatly today or
call me at +33 679 484 123. Note that I switch that phone on tomorrow
evening so you will get the voicemail till then. (You will most likely
everytime get the voicemail for the network there is not quite good, but
just don't espect me to pick up before tomorrow evening).


For all of you, happy hollydays, and best wishes for the next year (and the
remaining days of this year too, of course!)




Greetings,


Niels Keetlaer

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Hi Joe

16h06m ago Joe Buford wrote:

> One of my dreams is after I convert my '85 nissan 720PU to Electric is to
> re-do my dashboard using an LCD disply driven by a 100klx motherboard. This
> would allow data aquisition on speed/range/batt status as well as providing
> an interface to an Emeter all being dumped to a PC card to export the data.


hehe, this reminds me of a site I came across when looking for some
Linux stuff for my diploma thesis a few days ago:

http://www.dashpc.com

Although I don't like cars, this project is very impressive!
And maybe it will give you some ideas.

daniel

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Hi All,

Just got an email out of the blue from Everett Kaser. Old-timers will
recognize him as one of the HP 200LX engineers. He bucked the norm at
HP, and as an engineer, used to communicate with the user base from time
to time. I actually knew him at HP when we both worked there 20 years
ago.  He has a web site at http://www.kaser.com where his produces
puzzles and games for the PC.

Told him 200LX still alive and well and that 200LX projects such as
backlighting are still in progress. I gave him the URL of this list and
invited him to join. Told him he'd recognize a lot of the names here.

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Hal Goldstein wrote:
> Just got an email out of the blue from Everett Kaser.
...
> He has a web site at http://www.kaser.com where his produces
> puzzles and games for the PC.

If anyone likes Logic puzzles you should definately check this
out.  Everett has some great ones, particularly Sherlock. While
all of his new games are for Win9* and above he does have a few
old versions that run under DOS although I don't think any of
them will run on the LX because of display requirements.

Cheers... Russ

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Hi All,

>>>>>>
Just got an email out of the blue from Everett Kaser. Old-timers
will
recognize him as one of the HP 200LX engineers. He bucked the norm
at
HP, and as an engineer, used to communicate with the user base from
time
to time. I actually knew him at HP when we both worked there 20
years
ago.  He has a web site at http://www.kaser.com where his produces
puzzles and games for the PC.

Told him 200LX still alive and well and that 200LX projects such as
backlighting are still in progress. I gave him the URL of this list
and
invited him to join. Told him he'd recognize a lot of the names
here.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I hope he'll join the list.  He was the source for a lot of the
early developer docs and examples for the 95lx.  I'm sure it was
all okayed by HP but he's the one that brought them to us.  And I
think he wrote a lot of them.  If I remember right he wrote the
graphics library in rom, too.

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I was wondering if there is anyone else who is interested in exporting
appointment data from the palmtop to a REX III? It would make the REX a
viable stand in for the palmtop when I want to check my calendar but
don't want to carry the palmtop.
Since my programming skills are pretty limited I though I'd offer to
contribute some cash  (perhaps $100 US) to the effort in the hopes that
that might help motivate someone smart enough to do the job.

If you're interested let me know.
If you're interested enough to contribute let me know.
If you have any suggestions (other than "get a life") let me know.

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Ann Arbor Michigan
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew" <andrewaa@EARTHLINK.NET>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in ADB into REX III?


> I was wondering if there is anyone else who is interested in
exporting
> appointment data from the palmtop to a REX III? It would make the
REX a
> viable stand in for the palmtop when I want to check my calendar
but
> don't want to carry the palmtop.
> Since my programming skills are pretty limited I though I'd offer
to
> contribute some cash  (perhaps $100 US) to the effort in the
hopes that
> that might help motivate someone smart enough to do the job.
>
> If you're interested let me know.
> If you're interested enough to contribute let me know.
> If you have any suggestions (other than "get a life") let me
know.

I'm not going to suggest getting a life.  You just need a program,
not a life.  :)

But this might not be a good way to get a program.  A lot of
programmers do a lot of work for the love of it.  And a lot of them
like to hear about good ideas for programs that will be useful to
people so they can jump right in and do it.

A lot of these same people are working as programmers and make $100
in an hour and you're probably talking about work measured in days,
more likely in weeks.  So, letting people know you have that need
might stir up some interest.  Offering $100 for something worth a
few thousand dollars might not stir up the same kind of interest.

Some people might feel like they're being offered a dead frog to
whitewash your fence.  :)

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I've just bought a used 200LX. I'm looking for classic oldies DOS apps fo=
r
the 200LX (including science/mathematics and financial) like MatLab 3.5 f=
or
DOS and Derive 4.11/13... (I have the release 3.01) MS project 4 f/DOS,
Harvard Project Manager 3.02, Stacker 4.0, ... As an industrial engineeri=
ng
student, I'm interested mainly in tech and financial apps...

Any help or guidance is appreciated. Tks in advance,
Regards, Carlos


(I'm including this message found @
http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/hplx-l/0201/msg00605.html*, as a reference
'cause I couldn't find the sender).

To: dario200@mail.com (?)

Estimado Dario Draiman,
Te escribo desde capital. Estoy muy interesado en tu colecci=F3n completa=
 de
programas de DOS. Me gustaria armar un CD personal con todo eso, porque
estoy por conseguir una 200LX. Te dejo ademas de mi mail, mis datos de
contacto al final para comunicarnos. Gracias por adelantado, saludos, Car=
los
Por alguna raz=F3n, tuve la impresion que habias escrito desde Argentina.=
 He
tratado de ubicarte por la gu=EDa telefonica sin exito. Espero que esta
direcci=F3n de email -que parece ser la tuya-, siga vigente.

Old Software for the HP200LX
From: Dario Draiman <dario200@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:57:47 +0800
Hi everyone! I'm looking for the following software I need:...


Carlos Lacroze
BsAs, Argentina
e-mail: lacro37@yahoo.com.ar
Remember to REMOVE the <NO.SPAM.> extension term next to the @ sign, from
the provided reply e-mail

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Barry wrote:
>
> Some people might feel like they're being offered a dead frog to
> whitewash your fence.  :)
>
> Barry

True enough, but if there were others as interested as I then we could
offer a bucket of dead frogs......
Still perhaps not enough but all I can do (until I learn to whitewash my
own fence).

--
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Ann Arbor Michigan
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Check this link: http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/hplx-l/0101/msg00084.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew" <andrewaa@EARTHLINK.NET>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in ADB into REX III?


> I was wondering if there is anyone else who is interested in exporting
> appointment data from the palmtop to a REX III? It would make the REX a
> viable stand in for the palmtop when I want to check my calendar but
> don't want to carry the palmtop.
> Since my programming skills are pretty limited I though I'd offer to
> contribute some cash  (perhaps $100 US) to the effort in the hopes that
> that might help motivate someone smart enough to do the job.
>
> If you're interested let me know.
> If you're interested enough to contribute let me know.
> If you have any suggestions (other than "get a life") let me know.
>
> --
> Andrew King
> Ann Arbor Michigan
> technology is the answer, what was the question?
>
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in ADB into REX III?


> Barry wrote:
> >
> > Some people might feel like they're being offered a dead frog
to
> > whitewash your fence.  :)
> >
> > Barry
>
> True enough, but if there were others as interested as I then we
could
> offer a bucket of dead frogs......
> Still perhaps not enough but all I can do (until I learn to
whitewash my
> own fence).

My guess is you're likely to attract more interest by pointing out
that it's a possibly interesting and useful project.  You want to
raise their interest, not their sales resistance.  :)

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Domingo wrote:
>
> Check this link: http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/hplx-l/0101/msg00084.html

I'm not sure if this release does the appt. book.

The readme file says:

"If you want to transfer an Appointment Book file, generate a .cda file
from
your Appt Book file using the following adbdump command:"

but therelease history says:

"0.93  Preliminary version of Appt book transfers.  Will transfer
      non-repeating appts correctly.  Others just show up incorrectly
      as a single entry.  Since this may be of some value to some
      users, I decided to go ahead and release this interim version."

So I guess it's a work in progress.

It occurred to me that if anyone if offended by my offer of filthy lucre
for an ADB>REX solution I would be happy to donate to whatever deserving
organization you care to specify.


--
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Ann Arbor Michigan
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Hi=20
Try www.simtel.net

Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Lacroze [mailto:lacro37@YAHOO.COM.AR]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 6:06 AM
To: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
Subject: HP 200LX newbie - Looking for DOS Soft


I've just bought a used 200LX. I'm looking for classic oldies DOS apps =
for
the 200LX (including science/mathematics and financial) like MatLab 3.5 =
for
DOS and Derive 4.11/13... (I have the release 3.01) MS project 4 f/DOS,
Harvard Project Manager 3.02, Stacker 4.0, ... As an industrial =
engineering
student, I'm interested mainly in tech and financial apps...

Any help or guidance is appreciated. Tks in advance,
Regards, Carlos


(I'm including this message found @
http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/hplx-l/0201/msg00605.html*, as a reference
'cause I couldn't find the sender).

To: dario200@mail.com (?)

Estimado Dario Draiman,
Te escribo desde capital. Estoy muy interesado en tu colecci=F3n =
completa de
programas de DOS. Me gustaria armar un CD personal con todo eso, porque
estoy por conseguir una 200LX. Te dejo ademas de mi mail, mis datos de
contacto al final para comunicarnos. Gracias por adelantado, saludos, =
Carlos
Por alguna raz=F3n, tuve la impresion que habias escrito desde =
Argentina. He
tratado de ubicarte por la gu=EDa telefonica sin exito. Espero que esta
direcci=F3n de email -que parece ser la tuya-, siga vigente.

Old Software for the HP200LX
From: Dario Draiman <dario200@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:57:47 +0800
Hi everyone! I'm looking for the following software I need:...


Carlos Lacroze
BsAs, Argentina
e-mail: lacro37@yahoo.com.ar
Remember to REMOVE the <NO.SPAM.> extension term next to the @ sign, =
from
the provided reply e-mail

Ahora pod=E9s usar Yahoo! Messenger desde tu celular. Aprend=E9 c=F3mo =
hacerlo en Yahoo! M=F3vil: http://ar.mobile.yahoo.com/sms.html


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Hi Carlos:

Here are some more links for you (tech/financial might be found there):

http://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/
http://members.cox.net/dos/index.htm
http://www.palmtop.net/supernew.html

My own other favorites are:

http://www.dasoft.com
http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx
http://short.stop.home.att.net/index.htm
http://www.hplx.pgdn.de
http://www.mdrury.hypermart.net/
http://home.mnet-online.de/horst.muc/

I hope I copied them correctly since I write this at work through webmail=
.

Jan Pieter Beekhuis

> -- Original Message --
> Date:         Mon, 23 Dec 2002 02:06:08 -0300
> Reply-To:     Carlos Lacroze <lacro37@NO.SPAM.yahoo.com.ar>
> From:         Carlos Lacroze <lacro37@YAHOO.COM.AR>
> Subject:      HP 200LX newbie - Looking for DOS Soft
> To:           HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
>
>
> I've just bought a used 200LX. I'm looking for classic oldies DOS apps
for
> the 200LX (including science/mathematics and financial) like MatLab 3.5=

for
> DOS and Derive 4.11/13... (I have the release 3.01) MS project 4 f/DOS,=

> Harvard Project Manager 3.02, Stacker 4.0, ... As an industrial enginee=
ring
> student, I'm interested mainly in tech and financial apps...
>
> Any help or guidance is appreciated. Tks in advance,
> Regards, Carlos
>
>
> (I'm including this message found @
> http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/hplx-l/0201/msg00605.html*, as a reference
> 'cause I couldn't find the sender).
>
> To: dario200@mail.com (?)
>
> Estimado Dario Draiman,
> Te escribo desde capital. Estoy muy interesado en tu colecci=F3n comple=
ta
de
> programas de DOS. Me gustaria armar un CD personal con todo eso, porque=

> estoy por conseguir una 200LX. Te dejo ademas de mi mail, mis datos de
> contacto al final para comunicarnos. Gracias por adelantado, saludos,
Carlos
> Por alguna raz=F3n, tuve la impresion que habias escrito desde Argentin=
a.
He
> tratado de ubicarte por la gu=EDa telefonica sin exito. Espero que esta=

> direcci=F3n de email -que parece ser la tuya-, siga vigente.
>
> Old Software for the HP200LX
> From: Dario Draiman <dario200@xxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:57:47 +0800
> Hi everyone! I'm looking for the following software I need:...
>
>
> Carlos Lacroze
> BsAs, Argentina
> e-mail: lacro37@yahoo.com.ar
> Remember to REMOVE the <NO.SPAM.> extension term next to the @ sign, fr=
om
> the provided reply e-mail
>
> Ahora pod=E9s usar Yahoo! Messenger desde tu celular. Aprend=E9 c=F3mo =
hacerlo
> en Yahoo! M=F3vil: http://ar.mobile.yahoo.com/sms.html

>
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Hi Carlos,
I tried the links and corrected one. Just disregard my previous message,
sorry.

Here are links for you (tech/financial might be found there):

http://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/
http://members.cox.net/dos/index.htm
http://www.palmtop.net/supernew.html

My own other favorites are:

http://www.dasoft.com
http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx
http://short.stop.home.att.net/index.htm
http://www.hplx.pgdn.de
http://mdrury.hypermart.net/
http://home.mnet-online.de/horst.muc/

Jan Pieter Beekhuis

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<<If anyone likes Logic puzzles you should definately check this
out.  Everett has some great ones, particularly Sherlock. While
all of his new games are for Win9* and above he does have a few
old versions that run under DOS although I don't think any of
them will run on the LX because of display requirements.>>

Everett wrote games built I believe built into the HP Palmtop and HP
Portable Plus. (I am still out of country, can't remember exactly -- but
as I recall there is a very addicting logic game of bombs built into the
LX series -- that's Everett's)  He also wrote much of Memo (although he
was never very proud of it -- he had only a little space to work with).

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(although he was never very proud of it -- he had only a little
pace to work with)

i have always been very curious about what went on in the minds
of the team that created a timeless pc like the lx200/700

decades ago, it happened .. decades later, happened why is my
subject of enquiry .. to that end i am curious about what the
design team wanted to do .. and what actually resulted

welcome everett kaser .. enlighten us all with a little bit of
history ..

..pk, calcutta, india (lx700 fan)

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----- Original Message -----
From: "pksharma" <pksharma@CAL.VSNL.NET.IN>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Everett Kaser


> (although he was never very proud of it -- he had only a little
> pace to work with)
>
> i have always been very curious about what went on in the minds
> of the team that created a timeless pc like the lx200/700
>
> decades ago, it happened .. decades later, happened why is my
> subject of enquiry .. to that end i am curious about what the
> design team wanted to do .. and what actually resulted
>
> welcome everett kaser .. enlighten us all with a little bit of
> history ..

I read a history of the development of the 95lx at one time.  I
think I found it on Compuserve but a lot of the stuff from
Compuserve is now on Super so it might be there.  I can't remember
what form it took or if it was even a real history or just a
section in some other document.  But it does exist.

I don't remember a lot of it but what I do remember is that the
idea didn't come from HP.  They were approached by Lotus to build a
Lotus 123 pocket machine and the project began as exactly that.
How it got from there to here I don't remember but I do remember
there was a lot of description of that process.

Anybody know the document I'm thinking of?  I'll take a look on
Super and if I don't find it and nobody else remembers I'll see if
I have it here, although that won't be a quick process.

This came up once before, a long time ago.  I can't remember if
that was here or on HPHAND but there was some discussion and this
document was kind of the center of the discussion.

I really miss HPHAND.  The best of it is here, now.  But HPHAND was
one of those situations where bigger is better.  And I miss the
excitement of logging in and wondering what new miracles were being
announced.  There were almost daily miracles there.  The lastest
new software.  The latest discovery of something new that the LX
could do.  They came fast and furious for a long time.  We have
most of that in Super now but it felt great when each item was a
new possibility that no-one else thought of before.

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Design News
July 08, 1991
pp 74-76

http://www.vcalc.net/hp-95.htm

Bob

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To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: Re: Everett Kaser


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Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Everett Kaser

<snip>

I read a history of the development of the 95lx at one time.  I
think I found it on Compuserve but a lot of the stuff from
Compuserve is now on Super so it might be there.  I can't remember
what form it took or if it was even a real history or just a
section in some other document.  But it does exist.

I don't remember a lot of it but what I do remember is that the
idea didn't come from HP.  They were approached by Lotus to build a
Lotus 123 pocket machine and the project began as exactly that.
How it got from there to here I don't remember but I do remember
there was a lot of description of that process.

Anybody know the document I'm thinking of?  <snip>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pksharma" <pksharma@CAL.VSNL.NET.IN>
> To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Everett Kaser
>
> I read a history of the development of the 95lx at one time.  I
> think I found it on Compuserve but a lot of the stuff from
> Compuserve is now on Super so it might be there.  I can't remember

There's an article on the history by Kaser himself at
http://www.palmtoppaper.com/ptphtml/12/pt120055.htm

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hello bob

any links for the lx200 and the lx700 similar to this one ?

..pk, calcutta, india


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Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Everett Kaser


> Design News
> July 08, 1991
> pp 74-76
>
> http://www.vcalc.net/hp-95.htm
>
> Bob
>

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http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/index.shtml


I wonder what the battery life is like... If it's better than 10 hours then
this may be a viable replacement for the LX for some folks. It's certainly a
better OS.

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Yeah, but does it run DOS ?

8-)


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http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/index.shtml


I wonder what the battery life is like... If it's better than 10 hours then
this may be a viable replacement for the LX for some folks. It's certainly a
better OS.

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No way, Linux. You could probably get a DOS emulator. There's at least one
already for Linux but it would have to ported. I think Linux is a better
overall OS but it would nice to have all the same old DOS Apps.



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> Yeah, but does it run DOS ?
>
> 8-)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:53 PM
> Subject: Sure, it looks like an Omnigo.. sort of.
>
>
> http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/index.shtml
>
>
> I wonder what the battery life is like... If it's better than 10 hours
then
> this may be a viable replacement for the LX for some folks. It's certainly
a
> better OS.
>
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Yeah, I know Linux is better, just kidding about DOS.

Seriously, from what I have read on Google groups is that this is not scheduled for release in USA, and the company you mentioned
is (reportedly) selling it for $200 more than the Japanese version.

Also, If it is not available outside Japan, then I think support from Sharp might be difficult.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=SL-C700+&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search


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No way, Linux. You could probably get a DOS emulator. There's at least one
already for Linux but it would have to ported. I think Linux is a better
overall OS but it would nice to have all the same old DOS Apps.



----- Original Message -----
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> Yeah, but does it run DOS ?
>
> 8-)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "eD\/ARd0 F/\KEn^M3" <cojonesdetoro@EXCITE.COM>
> To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:53 PM
> Subject: Sure, it looks like an Omnigo.. sort of.
>
>
> http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/index.shtml
>
>
> I wonder what the battery life is like... If it's better than 10 hours
then
> this may be a viable replacement for the LX for some folks. It's certainly
a
> better OS.
>
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Everett Kaser


> Design News
> July 08, 1991
> pp 74-76
>
> http://www.vcalc.net/hp-95.htm

Thanks for that link.  That's not the article I was thinking of but
it has a lot of the same information.  The one I read went into a
lot more detail on the design decisions and changes in design and
goals as they progressed, and on the inteplay between HP and Lotus.
I think it was told from one of the developers points of view but
I'm not sure I remember that right.

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Everett Kaser


> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "pksharma" <pksharma@CAL.VSNL.NET.IN>
> > To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: Everett Kaser
> >
> > I read a history of the development of the 95lx at one time.  I
> > think I found it on Compuserve but a lot of the stuff from
> > Compuserve is now on Super so it might be there.  I can't
remember
>
> There's an article on the history by Kaser himself at
> http://www.palmtoppaper.com/ptphtml/12/pt120055.htm

That's it.  Thanks.

I guess that explains why hearing Everett Kaser mentioned made me
think of the article, even though I didn't conciously remember that
he wrote it.

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Date:         Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:24:43 +0530
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a very well written gem of an article

it taught me all that i wanted to know

thank you, friends

..pk



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> http://www.palmtoppaper.com/ptphtml/12/pt120055.htm
>
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Hi,

Merry Christmas to all.

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First, let me wish everyone still on the list a Merry Christmas.

I read the recent messages about APPT to REX3.  Let me confirm that the
HP2REX package will do some simply appointment conversions to the
REX3.  The main reason for my lack of progress has been the stone wall I
ran up against in solving the last remaining few mysteries of the REX3 data
base.  Perhaps I can release the latest version I had been working on - I
think I had made some of the repeating appointments translate across okay.

One side note... I recently had to get a Palm OS computer at work for a
project, and decided to see if my comma-delimited phone book from the HP
would read into the Palm utility correctly.  It almost did - in fact within
2 minutes I had a workable phone book transferred to the Palm (Sony Clie
NX70).  But, I realized that with just a very little tweaking of the
fields, I could make the transfer nearly perfect.  I had 90% of the code
already written, since I had to manipulate these fields for the HP2REX
conversion.  So, I now have a little HP2PALM utility if anyone needs
it.  All it really does is to re-format the phone database comma separated
file into another .CSV file that is well-suited to read into the Palm
desktop utility.  If anyone needs it, I'll send it to them offlist.

And no, this doesn't mean I have abandoned the HP200LX.  This palm is "gee
whiz" cool, but it lacks some significant features.

-Chris Lott


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Date:         Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:49:58 -0500
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> So, I now have a little HP2PALM utility if anyone needs
> it.  All it really does is to re-format the phone database comma separated
> file into another .CSV file that is well-suited to read into the Palm
> desktop utility.  If anyone needs it, I'll send it to them offlist.

I would be interested, thank you.  Would you consider expanding your utility
to work in both directions?

I have been thinking of collecting all the information I have plus what I
can get on HP < > Palm synchronization to put on my web site.  Currently I
beam text information in both directions with some utilities in both the
Palm and the HPLX.  Of course, if someone more knowledgeable (like a
programmer) would be interested in doing that, I would be willing to share
what I have.

TIA

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Hello.   I have been thinking of putting together a little web page about a
specialized DOS application which runs well on  the hp200lx.   This
application is of no special or general interest to this list, and the
hp200lx is really of no special interest to those who use the application
(since there is an excellent Windows version available), but I believe I can
generate some interest in the HPLX among those who might like to be able to
use the DOS application on the go.

My questions is this:  almost all hplx web pages I know of are for power
users, not for newbies or for those who might have only a casual interest.
Is there such a page?  I feel that pointing people to palmtop.net, for
example, might just overwhelm the casual beginner.

Any suggestions (besides the FAQ, which is a good start)?

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What is the application?  That would be a major factor in deciding
where to send people interested in it.

Barry

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> Hello.   I have been thinking of putting together a little web
page about a
> specialized DOS application which runs well on  the hp200lx.
This
> application is of no special or general interest to this list,
and the
> hp200lx is really of no special interest to those who use the
application
> (since there is an excellent Windows version available), but I
believe I can
> generate some interest in the HPLX among those who might like to
be able to
> use the DOS application on the go.
>
> My questions is this:  almost all hplx web pages I know of are
for power
> users, not for newbies or for those who might have only a casual
interest.
> Is there such a page?  I feel that pointing people to
palmtop.net, for
> example, might just overwhelm the casual beginner.
>
> Any suggestions (besides the FAQ, which is a good start)?
>
> Domingo
>
> ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml
>
>
>

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Date:         Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:52:28 -0300
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Thanks, Jan Pieter. Those links were very complete.=20

Anyhow, would you know where can I get applications like MatLab 3.5 for
DOS and Derive 4.11/13... MS project 4 f/DOS, Harvard Project Manager=20
3.02, Stacker 4.0, ...=20

Regards, Carlos

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Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: HP 200LX newbie - Looking for DOS Soft (Corrected)


Hi Carlos,
I tried the links and corrected one. Just disregard my previous message,
sorry.

Here are links for you (tech/financial might be found there):

http://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/
http://members.cox.net/dos/index.htm
http://www.palmtop.net/supernew.html

My own other favorites are:

http://www.dasoft.com
http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx
http://short.stop.home.att.net/index.htm
http://www.hplx.pgdn.de
http://mdrury.hypermart.net/
http://home.mnet-online.de/horst.muc/

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The collected writing of a religious writer, plus a powerful search engine.
As you well know,  not a popular subject in this list.

Domingo

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> What is the application?  That would be a major factor in deciding
> where to send people interested in it.
>
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Domingo" <dvm123@GMX.CO.UK>
> To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 4:06 PM
> Subject: HPLX web page for newbies, where?
>
>
> > Hello.   I have been thinking of putting together a little web
> page about a
> > specialized DOS application which runs well on  the hp200lx.
> This
> > application is of no special or general interest to this list,
> and the
> > hp200lx is really of no special interest to those who use the
> application
> > (since there is an excellent Windows version available), but I
> believe I can
> > generate some interest in the HPLX among those who might like to
> be able to
> > use the DOS application on the go.
> >
> > My questions is this:  almost all hplx web pages I know of are
> for power
> > users, not for newbies or for those who might have only a casual
> interest.
> > Is there such a page?  I feel that pointing people to
> palmtop.net, for
> > example, might just overwhelm the casual beginner.
> >
> > Any suggestions (besides the FAQ, which is a good start)?
> >
> > Domingo
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
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Just to clarify, my page would be about using the application on the hplx,
not about the hplx for newbies.  I need a good newbie page to point people
to.  I guess since there are many such pages for the Palm, I  thought it
makes sense for someone to have created such a page for the hplx.

Domingo

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Speaking as a newbie,  While I'm very appreciative for what we already have
and for those who have and do make it possible, sitll I like the idea.
Bill

In a message dated 12/24/2002 5:08:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dvm123@GMX.CO.UK writes:

Hello.   I have been thinking of putting together a little web page about a
specialized DOS application which runs well on  the hp200lx.   This
application is of no special or general interest to this list, and the
hp200lx is really of no special interest to those who use the application
(since there is an excellent Windows version available), but I believe I can
generate some interest in the HPLX among those who might like to be able to
use the DOS application on the go.

My questions is this:  almost all hplx web pages I know of are for power
users, not for newbies or for those who might have only a casual interest.
Is there such a page?  I feel that pointing people to palmtop.net, for
example, might just overwhelm the casual beginner.

Any suggestions (besides the FAQ, which is a good start)?

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> The collected writing of a religious writer, plus a powerful
search engine.
> As you well know,  not a popular subject in this list.

I'm more bothered than most by anything that has the flavor of
proselytizing but I'm just as bothered by the idea that any valid
topic is unmentionable.

There's been a lot of discussion from time to time about a 200lx
database called (I think) "His Word", or some such.  The topic is
totally uninteresting to me.  So is anything to do with the 200lx
and communications.  But they're both valid topics in a 200lx group
as far as I'm concerned.  I'd never object to either.

There's a huge difference in pushing religion and in talking about
it as relatest to the 200lx or Dos software, etc.  Anyway that's my
opinion.  You should do what makes you comfortable.

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> Just to clarify, my page would be about using the application on
the hplx,
> not about the hplx for newbies.  I need a good newbie page to
point people
> to.  I guess since there are many such pages for the Palm, I
thought it
> makes sense for someone to have created such a page for the hplx.

Since the Palm is being marketed all over the place there are a lot
of Palm newbies.  I doubt if there are many 200lx newbies.  Unless
you change that. :)

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Barry wrote:
> I'm more bothered than most by anything that has the flavor of
> proselytizing but I'm just as bothered by the idea that any valid
> topic is unmentionable.

I agree completely;  please don't discuss religion but any LX
religious programs are definately ON TOPIC.

I suppose this would also apply to politics but I can't imagine
what a political program would look like; perhaps a dart board?

Seasons Greeting to all LX'ers!

Cheers... Russ   :-)

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Hal wrote...
HG> Everett wrote games I believe built into the HP Palmtop and HP
HG> Portable Plus. (I am still out of country, can't remember exactly -- but
HG> as I recall there is a very addicting logic game of bombs built into the
HG> LX series -- that's Everett's)  He also wrote much of Memo (although he
HG> was never very proud of it -- he had only a little space to work with).

Hearts & Bones.  Built into some of the HP 100/200LX's.  I still like
that game. :-)  None were built into the Portable Plus, although I
did write a game specifically for it (and which you sold for me, Hal
:-), called TigerFox.  A cat chases the fox through a maze game.
And yes, I wrote Memo (ugh!).  I was originally hired onto the project
(when my previous job at Corvallis vaporized) to write the self-test
code for the 95LX, and that was how I "snuck" the low-level graphics
routines in (the INT 5F stuff, if I remember correctly.... I'm
starting to feel a little like Jim Bridger in the old Johnny Horton
song (I'm showing my age here :-), "...he's forgot more about the
Indians, than we will ever know...").  After 10-13 years of not
accessing the memories, an awful lot of them have plain faded away....

It's nice to see people who still care about those old machines, tho!
(And it was a really neat experience to see a product that I'd worked
on (the 95LX) featured on the ABC Nightly News when it was
introduced! :-)  Some things are just once in a life-time experiences.

Everett

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I think you are looking for the wrong thing. This list and the sites are
not IMHO for "power users", but rather for anyone with a question. Just
starting with the HP all you need will be the thin introductory handbook
("Kurzanleitung") or maybe not even that. The first time you really need
the handbook, you are already well into the tone here.
So what I assume you are really looking for is the kind of promotional
site HP has for machines still on sale. Does anyone know whether any of
those are still preserved somewhere?

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Welcome, Everett, to our little niche of the "old HP" here... <VBG>

Nice to see a name here that I admired for so long! And seeing your name
here today in the morning was like a lovely present under the tree - Merry
Christmas to you and All who celebrate it!

At 12/25/02-12:02 AM, Everett Kaser <everett@kaser.com> wrote:
>Hearts & Bones.  Built into some of the HP 100/200LX's.  I still like
>that game. :-)  None were built into the Portable Plus, although I
>did write a game specifically for it (and which you sold for me, Hal
>:-), called TigerFox.  A cat chases the fox through a maze game.
>And yes, I wrote Memo (ugh!).

Oh, don't flog yourself too much. It helped many of us in a pinch and
introduced us to the world of editing text on the palmtop - on the go!

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> Hearts & Bones.  Built into some of the HP 100/200LX's.  I still
like
> that game. :-)  None were built into the Portable Plus, although
I
> did write a game specifically for it (and which you sold for me,
Hal
> :-), called TigerFox.  A cat chases the fox through a maze game.
> And yes, I wrote Memo (ugh!).  I was originally hired onto the
project
> (when my previous job at Corvallis vaporized) to write the
self-test
> code for the 95LX, and that was how I "snuck" the low-level
graphics
> routines in (the INT 5F stuff, if I remember correctly.... I'm
> starting to feel a little like Jim Bridger in the old Johnny
Horton
> song (I'm showing my age here :-), "...he's forgot more about the
> Indians, than we will ever know...").  After 10-13 years of not
> accessing the memories, an awful lot of them have plain faded
away....
>
> It's nice to see people who still care about those old machines,
tho!
> (And it was a really neat experience to see a product that I'd
worked
> on (the 95LX) featured on the ABC Nightly News when it was
> introduced! :-)  Some things are just once in a life-time
experiences.

Int 5F it is.  And thanks.  They've been used a lot.

Welcome to this little group of anachronisists that you helped
create.  :)

I've been in other groups that dealt with old machines.  CP/M,
Tandy Model 100, Tandy's Zoomer, for example.  This group is
different.  It's still about using the LX day in and day out more
than it's about reliving the past, although that's fun now and
then.  It's about keeping the LX up to date.  I think you might be
surprised at how successful that's been.

I never could get the hang of Tiger Fox.  I tried.  But I want him
to go the way I point him and he wants to take left-right
instructions and between us we get confused and we always get him
killed pretty fast.  I'm sure you had a better fate in mind for him
but I did my best. :)

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> I think you are looking for the wrong thing. This list and the sites are
> not IMHO for "power users", but rather for anyone with a question.

This seems to imply that I was somehow putting down what's available, I was
not.   Plus, the list itself was never mentioned.   I believe I mentioned
the Palm situation as an example of what I was looking for: babying along
info.

> Just
> starting with the HP all you need will be the thin introductory handbook
> ("Kurzanleitung") or maybe not even that. The first time you really need
> the handbook, you are already well into the tone here.

Do you mean the included documentation?  I was talking about people who
never heard of the machine, let alone go buy it just to read the
documentation.

> So what I assume you are really looking for is the kind of promotional
> site HP has for machines still on sale. Does anyone know whether any of
> those are still preserved somewhere?

That might be a thought.

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Everett Kaser wrote:
> Hal wrote...
> > Everett wrote games I believe built into the HP Palmtop and HP
>
> Hearts & Bones.  Built into some of the HP 100/200LX's.  I still like
> that game. :-)  None were built into the Portable Plus, although I
> did write a game specifically for it (and which you sold for me, Hal
> :-), called TigerFox.  A cat chases the fox through a maze game.

Everett,

It'd be great if you could port your Sherlock game to run on the
200LX.  I'll offer $100 for such a game.  I understand the
EGA/VGA graphics won't port but you could still build a 6x6
puzzle with letters A-F numbers 0-5 and some simple shapes.
Reverse video letters and number could provide additional
character sets. You've already got the DOS code, only the
graphics would need to be recreated.

How about it?

Cheers... Russ

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Holiday greetings to all.

I am also interested in conversion between the HPLX and Palm (mine is an
Handera 330, which has two expansion slots). Right now, I and use
Microsoft Outlook as a go-between.

Also, to recharge the battery on my HE330, I use my HP F1011A ac/dc
adapter with a polarity reversing dongle. And my HPLX expansion card is
a CF form, with PCMCIA adapter, which is the form one of the of the
HE330's expansion slots. They get along nicely.

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Le Tue, 24 Dec 2002 22:02:39 -0800
Everett Kaser <everett@KASER.COM> a =E9crit:

> It's nice to see people who still care about those old machines, tho!

Yeah, we are still here... :-)

And probably for a long time, as what is called "Hewlett-Packard" today
as shown that it have definitely no plan to reconstitue the Corvallis
team... :-(


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Le Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:40:11 +0000
Russel Brooks <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM> a  $BqD (Brit:

> It'd be great if you could port your Sherlock game to run on the
> 200LX.

BTW, Everett, the big question : Do you still use an HP200 ?

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On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:46:58 +0530, pksharma wrote:

Hi

> welcome everett kaser .. enlighten us all with a little bit of
> history ..

Yes this I am really looking forward too.. I am just sad that I did not
discover the Hplx years before I did.. But I now have 3 so I will hang
in here as long as I can.

Come on tell us some bed time stories Everett :-)

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>Subject: Re: Everett Kaser

A note for Mr. Kaser:

As someone who has used the 200lx for many years now
I want to first off thank you and the others involved for
creating the 200lx.

I've tried the Pocket PC.   Was very dissappointed with
the result.

Instead of getting the pocket pc I should have gotten my
200lx upgraded to the 95 meg upgrade that Thaddeus
offered a while back.   As I've said before newer is not
always better.

I have alot of respect for Mr. Kaser, it's too bad the people at
HP have dropped the ball when it coems to continuing his excellent
work.

It's too bad someone didn't come up with an updated 200lx
with a device the size of the 200lx, a pentium processor,
color, the battery life of the 200lx, the reliability of
the 200lx, and Lotus 123.   I still hate Excel.



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Avi Meshar writes:
> Welcome, Everett, to our little niche of the "old HP" here... <VBG>

Yes, welcome!


> At 12/25/02-12:02 AM, Everett Kaser <everett@kaser.com> wrote:
> >And yes, I wrote Memo (ugh!).
>
> Oh, don't flog yourself too much. It helped many of us in a pinch and
> introduced us to the world of editing text on the palmtop - on the go!

I still use it regularly--I'm writing this e-mail (and write most e-mail
to the list) using Memo.  It works well for me.

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> It's too bad someone didn't come up with an updated 200lx
> with a device the size of the 200lx, a pentium processor,
> color, the battery life of the 200lx, the reliability of
> the 200lx, and Lotus 123.   I still hate Excel.

I'm not really that convinced that we need an updated 200lx.  Most
of the "improvements" would shorten the battery life too much.

I suspect that if an improved 200lx were designed from scratch with
the idea of not lowering any of the specs, it could be done pretty
nicely.  As long as it was still basically a 200lx.  But that will
never happen.  They'll give it VGA, 64 meg RAM, a 200 mhz CPU,
bluetooth, a 64 meg video card and the size of the unit will remain
the same and all you'll have to do is carry a car battery every
where you go.

So far the only hardware upgrade that would tempt me (I still use
single speed and original factory RAM) is the backlight.  And I'm
not even sure I'd do that.  I have a few units so maybe I'd put a
backlight on one of them.  Maybe not.

I have a Palm 3C with a beautifully backlight screen that I use for
reading ebooks in bed in near dark.  I love it for that.  But
that's the only thing I use it for.  I've even removed all the
other software from it, over time.  Just a bunch of reading stuff
and reading software on it now.

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Russel wrote...
RB> It'd be great if you could port your Sherlock game to run on the
RB> 200LX.  I'll offer $100 for such a game.  I understand the
RB> EGA/VGA graphics won't port but you could still build a 6x6
RB> puzzle with letters A-F numbers 0-5 and some simple shapes.
RB> Reverse video letters and number could provide additional
RB> character sets. You've already got the DOS code, only the
RB> graphics would need to be recreated.

:-) I actually considered it once WAY back in the early 90's when
I was still at HP.  Even worked up a prototype screen layout.
However, I didn't do it at the time, as I felt that was edging
too close to the line of "conflict of interest" (which I danced
along on a number of occasions for many years... :-).  Now, the
work and time involved in doing it just can't be justified, since
I have to earn a living doing this.  Now, when I'm as successful
as Bill Gates (ok, 1/2 as successful), then maybe I can afford
to do some things "just for the fun of it"!

Everett

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Jacques wrote...
JB> Yeah, we are still here... :-)
JB> And probably for a long time, as what is called "Hewlett-Packard"
JB> today as shown that it have definitely no plan to reconstitue the
JB> Corvallis team... :-(

:-( That's been out of the question for years, unfortunately.
HP today is nothing more than "just another multi-national corp"
in my opinion.  They've given up almost all of their own
engineering in favor of OEMing.  It's not "Bill & Dave's HP"
anymore.

JB> BTW, Everett, the big question : Do you still use an HP200 ?

Not really.  All of my game work has been on desktop PCs for the
last 10 years, and being a one-man-show, stay at home, work out
of the den kind of guy, I haven't had much need for a portable
machine.  I did recently purchase a Dell Axim Pocket PC (with the
thought of maybe putting a game or two onto that platform), which
is what got me to surfing the net looking for Pocket PC stuff, which
is how I happened on Hal's Pocket PC Magazine web site, which is why
I wrote an email to Hal to say, "Hi!", which is how I found out about
this list...  Anyway, I do pull the 200 out every once in a while.

Everett

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Martin wrote...
MB> Come on tell us some bed time stories Everett :-)

:-) I'm afraid I've forgotten about 1/2 of what I ever knew.  It's
a good thing I wrote that article for Hal all those years ago that
described the formative history of the 95/100/200.  It wasn't until
I went and re-read that (after someone posted the link) that it
all "came flooding back".

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N wrote...
NK> A note for Mr. Kaser:
NK> As someone who has used the 200lx for many years now
NK> I want to first off thank you and the others involved for
NK> creating the 200lx.

NK> I've tried the Pocket PC.   Was very dissappointed with
NK> the result.

It has +'s, it has -'s.

NK> As I've said before newer is not always better.

That's certainly true.

NK> I have alot of respect for Mr. Kaser, it's too bad the people at
NK> HP have dropped the ball when it coems to continuing his excellent
NK> work.

It wasn't all "my" work. :-) I was just one cog in the team that
created those products.  I just happened to be the most "publicly
visible", because I had a background in support, and enjoyed
interfacing with customers.  I liked being able to provide the
information and help to enthusiastic customers that is all too
often lacking from large corporations.

NK> It's too bad someone didn't come up with an updated 200lx
NK> with a device the size of the 200lx, a pentium processor,
NK> color, the battery life of the 200lx, the reliability of
NK> the 200lx, and Lotus 123.   I still hate Excel.

I agree, as I recently commented to Hal in a private email.  The
product line was earning a profit, it just wasn't a BIG enough
profit for the upper managers, so the plug was pulled.  Basically,
greed killed the product line (that, and the fact that HP never
really did know how to sell to a non-technical customer base until
it was way too late).  However, I suspect that if HP HAD stayed
in the business (meaning at Corvallis with the same team, as HP
DID (sort of) stay in the business with the Win CE machines), that
we would have been forced down a similar path by the market forces
(and the juggernaut that is Microsoft) that has resulted in today's
handheld and pocket machines.  Unfortunate, but the milk's already
spilled...

Everett

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Barry wrote...
B> I have a Palm 3C with a beautifully backlight screen that I use for
B> reading ebooks in bed in near dark.  I love it for that.  But
B> that's the only thing I use it for.

That's what I've been finding that I enjoy using my new Pocket PC
machine for: reading ebooks.  It's GREAT to be able to carry it
around and always have 10-15 books in it to choose from, and always
have it handy to READ when a spare moment comes along.

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Le Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:59:04 -0600
Barry <barry@FBTC.NET> a =E9crit:

> I'm not really that convinced that we need an updated 200lx. =20

I definitely disagree.

One of my recurent problems is the lack of i386 compatibility,
forbidding us to use some tools and compilers.

Not really a difficult thing to do, I think. [Unless Everett say us that
it is not compatible with the sleep mode].

Anyway, remember that some of the list members have already "updated"
200LX (DS upgrade, and up to 96Mb of Ram).

Then even If I can agree that we don't really need 206 Mhz machines,
color screens or USB port, I would say that if HP has continued to work
on the LX line and released only one other machine (i386 compatible, QS
(quadruple speed<g>), and at least 16MB of upgradeable core RAM), I
would say that we don't need an updated HPx00LX...


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Hello,

   Welcome Mr. Kaser!  Thanks for Sherlock and the 200LX
goodies.

Martin Bergvill wrote:

> Come on tell us some bed time stories Everett :-)

   I've wondered if the 100LX team ever considered making
the pixels on the LX square?  Or if a 600 x 200 four/sixteen
color mode was considered?

Barry wrote:

> I suspect that if an improved 200lx were designed from scratch with
> the idea of not lowering any of the specs, it could be done pretty
> nicely.  As long as it was still basically a 200lx.  But that will
> never happen.  They'll give it VGA, 64 meg RAM, a 200 mhz CPU,
> bluetooth, a 64 meg video card and the size of the unit will remain
> the same and all you'll have to do is carry a car battery every
> where you go.
>
> So far the only hardware upgrade that would tempt me (I still use
> single speed and original factory RAM) is the backlight.

   Well, I'd go for a "bigger & better with VGA", if it "only"
grew by the size of two AA batteries.  The screen would be the
limiting factor as to whether it was useful.  Backlight, size,
power, and readability trade off rather badly.  Hey, has anyone
ever tried putting an 80C187 into an LX?  <g>

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>
> That's what I've been finding that I enjoy using my new Pocket PC
> machine for: reading ebooks.  It's GREAT to be able to carry it
> around and always have 10-15 books in it to choose from, and
always
> have it handy to READ when a spare moment comes along.

The availability of ebook titles is getting a lot better.  And
since they're pricing them high and they don't have to sell too
many to make it worthwhile the publishers are starting to dig back
for older books most of the world has forgotten.   I'm finding a
few good old ebooks that I missed somehow 30 and 40 years ago.
Makes it nice.

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Le Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:59:04 -0600
Barry <barry@FBTC.NET> a =E9crit:

>> I'm not really that convinced that we need an updated 200lx.

> I definitely disagree.

I'm sure a lot of people here disagree. :)

> Anyway, remember that some of the list members have
> already "updated" 200LX (DS upgrade, and up to
> 96Mb of Ram).

That's one example of why I think the 200lx is suffucient for most
things.  We don't need more speed and more RAM because it's already
available.

> One of my recurent problems is the lack of i386
> compatibility,  forbidding us to use some tools
> and compilers.

There are limitations and solutions to them would be nice.  But I
wouldn't want to give up what we have.

While there may be some compilers that you can't use, there are
enough excellent compilers that you can use that I can't see that
as a problem.  No matter what you do there'll always be something
you can't use.  I'd rather see better compatibility so we can use
some debuggers.

> Then even If I can agree that we don't really need
> 206 Mhz machines, color screens or USB port, I
> would say that if HP has continued to work on the
> LX line and released only one other machine
> (i386 compatible, QS (quadruple speed<g>), and
> at least 16MB of upgradeable core RAM), I would
> say that we don't need an updated HPx00LX...

If the battery life wasn't decreased and the weight and size
weren't increased, I agree.

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>    I've wondered if the 100LX team ever considered making
> the pixels on the LX square?  Or if a 600 x 200 four/sixteen
> color mode was considered?

Until VGA came along computers never had square pixels.  Or at
least none that I used did.  And even in VGA most of the graphics
were done with 320x200 or one of the non-square xmodes.  There was
a square xmode but it was 320x240 and the other modes were mostly
higher resolution.  Most programmers gave up the square pixels for
the better resolution.  Square pixels make for more elegant
programming and let you go slightly faster, but unsquare pixels
aren't really much problem to deal with.

On the 200lx I usually chose 640 x 200 with 2 colors rather than
320 x 200 with 4 colors to get squarer pixels but I was just
playing around.  If I was making a commercial game I'd want the
grays.

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Welcome Mr. Kaser and a happy new year to all.

Sometime ago, I have discovered my old HP41C handheld program codes. This
handheld was the first alphanumeric and programmable computer (or
calculator) with an LCD display, if I am not wrong.

I did a lot of work with this handheld in those years. Anyway, after 41C, I
jumped into 95LX, 100LX, Jornada(s) and finally 200LX wagons. Now, I am
wondering if there is way of using these codes. Yes, the technology changed
a lot since then, but still F=MA and E=MC^2. It would be very nice to
convert these codes into C++ or Basic. Another way might be an emulator that
would allow me using these codes directly in an 200LX.

Any suggestions?

Thanks...

A. G. OZISIK

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Hi all,

Looking for CF WiFi cards I came across this, and remembering inquiries on
the list:

http://www.hawkingtech.com/products/cf100w.htm

It's main feature, LX-wise, is the 120 mA max current. :-)

It's main defect is no DOS drivers... :-( Just Win32 and WinCE.

Unless some enterprising soul wants to develop a driver? They seem to have
Linux
drivers for other WiFi cards, maybe they are the same chip-set? There is a
Prism 2.5 logo on the page, which lead me here:

http://www.intersil.com/design/prism/ss/p2smtrx.asp#-Prod_Driver_Package_Exe

Which references a Linux driver, written in C, and seeing there are C gurus
on the list... :-)

And another reference to the interface chip:

http://www.intersil.com/data/fn/fn4932.pdf

FWIW.

br

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Le Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:21:35 -0600
"A. G. OZISIK" <agozisik@TTNET.NET.TR> a =E9crit:

> Another way might be an emulator that
> would allow me using these codes directly in an 200LX.

I think you have two options :=20

EMU41, from Jean-Fran=E7ois Garnier.
=20
  http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/2000/
  ( very complete, but it needs you have an image of the HP-41 Rom.
   I think to remember you can find a copy of it somewhere on the Net).
 =20
and SIM41 =20
 =20
  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bay/4919/
  (seems to be much simpler, but don't seems to need a Rom Image)


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Le Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:02:34 -0600
Barry <barry@FBTC.NET> a =E9crit:

> While there may be some compilers that you can't use, there are
> enough excellent compilers that you can use that I can't see that
> as a problem.=20

It not exactly a problem of compiler by itself (I am very happy with my=20
Turbo C++ 1.01).

The problem is that when you work on several plateforms, and don't want
to pass too much time to port programs, you would prefer to have at
least a "compatible" compiler. Then, if you want to work on DOS and
Linux, for example, you would prefer to use DJGPP, which is more close
to Linux's gcc. Unfortunately, DJGPP is a 32bit compiler, needing to run
on a 386+ machine...


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>From: Barry <barry@FBTC.NET>
>Subject: Ebooks
I got an HP545 to read e-books years ago.  Big mistake.
The 540 series won't handle DRM5.

IMHO e-books are going to be dead in a few years.
If the poeple who run e-books had their way
if you lent a paper book to a friend  they
would find a way to throw you in jail.

If I had realized that I would
have opted to upgrade my 200lx to 96 meg
when I had the chance.

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A link to what seems are dos drivers, and mention of 80188... But that isn't
the same as an 80186, I suppose.

http://www.boerde.de/~matthias/airnet/zcom/

Whaddayathink? :-)

br

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N Knight wrote:
>
> >From: Barry <barry@FBTC.NET>
> >Subject: Ebooks
> I got an HP545 to read e-books years ago.  Big mistake.
> The 540 series won't handle DRM5.
>
> IMHO e-books are going to be dead in a few years.
> If the poeple who run e-books had their way
> if you lent a paper book to a friend  they
> would find a way to throw you in jail.
>
> If I had realized that I would
> have opted to upgrade my 200lx to 96 meg
> when I had the chance.

I had my first 200LX expanded to double speed and 32 megs, but when I
decided to pump up my other one, I went with DS and 8 megs. If I need
more storage, CompactFlash memory w/ a PCMCIA adapter is much more
flexible, has more capacity and is easier to interface w/ my desktop
box.

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On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Franklin Eekhout wrote:

> A link to what seems are dos drivers, and mention of 80188... But that isn't
> the same as an 80186, I suppose.

I haven't read the web page, but I can say for sure that a 80188 code will
run on a 80186, and vice-versa. The main (and maybe only) difference
between a x88 and a x86 is the width of the data bus: 8 bits for a x88, 16
bits for a x86. That difference is hidden to the programmer by the
processor.

The HP200LX has a 8018x clone, so this driver *may* work.

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Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:21 AM
Subject: HP41C and 200LX


> Welcome Mr. Kaser and a happy new year to all.
>
> Sometime ago, I have discovered my old HP41C handheld program
codes. This
> handheld was the first alphanumeric and programmable computer (or
> calculator) with an LCD display, if I am not wrong.
>
> I did a lot of work with this handheld in those years. Anyway,
after 41C, I
> jumped into 95LX, 100LX, Jornada(s) and finally 200LX wagons.
Now, I am
> wondering if there is way of using these codes. Yes, the
technology changed
> a lot since then, but still F=MA and E=MC^2. It would be very
nice to
> convert these codes into C++ or Basic. Another way might be an
emulator that
> would allow me using these codes directly in an 200LX.

If all your stuff is in algebraic form like that, it's nearly ready
to go for a lot of languages.  Qbasic, which comes on the Win9x
CDs, would work and runs on the LX.  Translating that into C might
be trivial and a lot of C compilers work fine on the LX, including
some free ones.

If the 41C was RPN than you might consider something with Forth,
although that won't translate as easily.

You might also want to see what happens when you try to port them
to Lotus or the built-in HP calculator.

These are just the things to try that occur to me off the top of my
head.  I'm sure you could find a lot of other possibilities.

Barry

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> >From: Barry <barry@FBTC.NET>
> >Subject: Ebooks
> I got an HP545 to read e-books years ago.  Big mistake.
> The 540 series won't handle DRM5.
>
> IMHO e-books are going to be dead in a few years.
> If the poeple who run e-books had their way
> if you lent a paper book to a friend  they
> would find a way to throw you in jail.
>
> If I had realized that I would
> have opted to upgrade my 200lx to 96 meg
> when I had the chance.

While I don't agree with your conclusion, I sure do agree with the
reasons you give for reaching that conclusion.

I've always believed in programmers (me, for example), and
therefore writers, getting paid for their work.  But now I'm
beginning to think that if the process of getting them paid is too
burdensome, it's not a terrible thing to ignore it.

I buy the ebooks I can but if there's something that isn't
available, or if the price is 50% higher for the downloaded ebook
than for the hardback at full retail, I cheat.  The number of
titles available free and illegaly on the internet far, far excedes
the number of titles available through legitimate sources.

I saw some statistics about this in an internet article about
ebooks not long ago that said there were 18,000 ebook titles
available through legitimate sources on the internet and that an
additional 30,000 titles were avaible through pirates, and, they
said that didn't count the overlap.  I have no idea where those
numbers came from.  They said a survey but who knows what that
means.  Still, I wouldn't be surprised if it's true.  Sounds like
the pirates have a better distrabution system and are not going to
be number 2. :)

Yes I know it's not PC or even very nice to speak out in favor of
piracy.  I've never done that before.  Abandonware isn't what I
call piracy but this is piracy.  Still, it's meeting a need that
isn't being met by legitimate sources.  Isn't that what competition
is about?

Anyway, if the pirates stay busy I suspect there'll be a growing
interest in ebooks as time goes by.  If not, I think i might agree
with you.

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> A link to what seems are dos drivers, and mention of 80188... But
that isn't
> the same as an 80186, I suppose.
>
> http://www.boerde.de/~matthias/airnet/zcom/
>
> Whaddayathink? :-)

For our purposes, it's the same.

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<<Hearts & Bones.  Built into some of the HP 100/200LX's.  I still like
that game. :-)>>

Yes, built-in to English language (and maybe some other) units. Great
game -- wasted many hours.

<<None were built into the Portable Plus, although I
did write a game specifically for it (and which you sold for me, Hal
:-), called TigerFox.  A cat chases the fox through a maze game.>>

I haven't forgotten chasing those fox (or was it tiger) droppings.
TigerFox was the first product that we didn't create ourselves that we
sold in 1986. My wife and I still joke about it since we call
"Tigerbaum", a Chinese salve, "TigerFox".=20

As we have discussed some offline, I agree with your assessment of the
HP 200LX and of the "new" HP, which bears little resemblance to the HP
where we worked 20 years ago. (I've editorialized softly about the
change several times in Pocket PC magazine - including in the upcoming
March issue.)

Not sure if not remember, but I actually met you twice at HP in '82 and
'83.  (Memory may not be entirely accurate). Once briefly when you met
with our HP 150 Touchscreen software engineering team about the "Nomad"
HP 110 Portable still in development. Then, you came down again from
Corvallis to the Bay Area to train a support team that I had recently
joined again on the Nomad. =20

Hope you will be able to stick around on this list, even if you comment
from time to time.=20

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Jacques wrote...
JB> One of my recurent problems is the lack of i386 compatibility,
JB> forbidding us to use some tools and compilers.

JB> Not really a difficult thing to do, I think. [Unless Everett say us that
JB> it is not compatible with the sleep mode].

Actually, as the 200LX was being finished up (and shortly thereafter),
we (the dev team at HP) were starting to talk about the next unit
being a 386-based unit, and I have little doubt that that would have
come about.  Unfortunately, it was also shortly after the 200LX
release that HP's upper management decided to move all calculator
and Palmtop development to Singapore and focus the Corvallis group
on notebook computers.  Now, with the Compaq merger, the Texas-based
Compaq notebook group has taken over that, and all vestiges of the
old Corvallis calculator/palmtop group are gone...

As for any kind of 386 update for current 200LX's, I don't think
that's possible.  The CPU in the 95/100/200's was an 8086 "core"
that was included on Hopper chip, along with all of the I/O and
other stuff.  It's not a matter of pulling out the CPU and somehow
soldering in another, as it's a monolithic chip.

Everett

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Steve wrote...
S>    I've wondered if the 100LX team ever considered making
S> the pixels on the LX square?  Or if a 600 x 200 four/sixteen
S> color mode was considered?

The primary constraints were:
1) Had to be able to run Jaguar (95) programs, hence there had
   to be a 40x16 alpha mode, and the corresponding graphics mode.
2) CGA compatibility was a VERY HIGH want, hence 640x200x2 and
   320x200x4.
3) The package size shape had to stay basically the same.

With those primary constraints, "square pixels" never entered the
picture (so to speak), and we were already pushing the limits (for
the time) of what could be crammed onto the Hopper chip, so no
other video modes were discussed either (other than possibly VERY
early on, as the above criteria formed up very quickly).

Everett

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Barry wrote...
B> The availability of ebook titles is getting a lot better.  And
B> since they're pricing them high and they don't have to sell too
B> many to make it worthwhile the publishers are starting to dig back
B> for older books most of the world has forgotten.   I'm finding a
B> few good old ebooks that I missed somehow 30 and 40 years ago.

I'm really P.O.'d about what Congress has done over the last 30 years
to the copyright laws.  Copyrights have always been intended to be
similar to patents: they're there to encourage people to create new
things and allow them to make a profit from doing so, but were always
intended to EXPIRE so that the creations could then profit society
as a whole.  Over the last 30 years, Congress has continually extended
and rewritten the laws to the point where it's ridiculously tipped
in the favor of the copyright holder (and I speak as a person who
makes his living by creating and selling copyrighted works!)  Now,
if someone writes a novel in his 20's, lives to be 80, the novel
won't enter the public domain for another 50 years after that, or
110 years after it was written.  How many books that were written
110 years ago do you still read?  Some, yes, but VERY few of all
the ones that were written!

I'm waiting with VERY bated breath to see how the Supreme Court
rules on the case that's currently before them, claiming that the
most recent copyright extension was unconstitutional, because
the constitution talks about copyrights "for a limited period" (or
words to that effect), and the argument is that with the ongoing
series of copyright extensions that Congress has continued to enact,
that copyrights are no longer "limited".  Of course, with the nature
of our current Supreme Court, I won't be surprised to be disappointed
by their decision.  After all, if they strike down the most recent
law, Disney's earliest cartoons will enter the public domain...

Everett

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N wrote...
NK> I got an HP545 to read e-books years ago.  Big mistake.
NK> The 540 series won't handle DRM5.

NK> IMHO e-books are going to be dead in a few years.
NK> If the poeple who run e-books had their way
NK> if you lent a paper book to a friend  they
NK> would find a way to throw you in jail.

Yep.  Book publishers, music publishers, movie producers... all cut
from the same cloth.  I can't blame them, I like to make as much money
as I can too.  BUT, I can blame them, as (in my all-so-humble-opinion
:-), they cross the line of "reasonableness".  The people who actually
CREATE an intellectual property should earn the majority of the money
from it, NOT the "publishers"/"distributers".  Costs have to be
covered, but CD/DVDs that cost $1 or less to produce sell for $15
and up, and the musicians (for example) see about 50 cents of that.
Book authors are just as poorly treated.  Now, we see the publishers
charging $12-$16 for an EBOOK that costs them PENNIES to "produce".

Anyway, I don't think ebooks will be dead.  I think as pocket devices
become more and more powerful, that will be the way almost all
"printed" material will be distributed.  However, at this point, I
refuse to buy an ebook that is encrypted so that I can't copy it FOR
MY OWN PURPOSES ("fair use" under the copyright).

By the way, I did see/find a utility on a newsgroup (CLIT.EXE) that
can (supposedly) convert a DRM5 .LIT book file into DRM1, effectively
removing the encryption.  I've not used it for that, as I don't HAVE
any DRM5 encrypted files, but I have used it for what it also will
do, which is convert .LIT files into .HTML files (which can then be
very easily converted into .TXT and from there to whatever you want).
I do NOT want to have all of my ebooks tied to Microsoft Reader or
any other "proprietary format."

Everett

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Good Afternoon All:
By magic my HP200LX that was seltzer drenched in early October started
to work Christmas Day when (on a whim) I put batteries in it and all
worked as it did before the deluge. I guess Santa was good to me!
Since all my data for the box was stored on CF RAM (drive A:) I lost
very little from the last backup. All except the files that make
MaxDos work that must have been stored on the C drive. I say that
because the the MaxDos directory is on A:.
I use FoxPro 2.6 for DOS on the 200LX and use MaxDos to allow it to
work. However, no matter what I do I can't seem to make Fox work in
the 200LX.
I checked the docs for MaxDos and followed them but still it does not
work. Does anyone have any tips for MaxDos? I wish I could remember
how I got it all to work in the first place!
Thanks.
Regards,

Jack Skelley
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> I'm waiting with VERY bated breath to see how the Supreme Court
> rules on the case that's currently before them, claiming that the
> most recent copyright extension was unconstitutional, because
> the constitution talks about copyrights "for a limited period"
(or
> words to that effect), and the argument is that with the ongoing
> series of copyright extensions that Congress has continued to
enact,
> that copyrights are no longer "limited".  Of course, with the
nature
> of our current Supreme Court, I won't be surprised to be
disappointed
> by their decision.  After all, if they strike down the most
recent
> law, Disney's earliest cartoons will enter the public domain...

I'm pretty concerned (angry) about this issue, as well.  A couple
of years ago I did a little reading about and around the issue of
copyrights for a limited time.  The phrase in the Constitution was
written by James Madison, but while it was in the process of being
written he was in communication with Jefferson (so famous for his
writing of Declaration of Independence that he would almost surely
have been the writer of the Constitution if he had been around.
Unfortunately he was in France.  But he and Madison were in
constant communication and wrote back and forth, often discussing
the issue of copyrights.

They were in agreement on the principle that ownership of an idea
or a combination of words was ridiculous.  Those weren't things and
couldn't be owned.  But they felt that it was necessary to give a
limited term monopoly to the creator of these ownerless things to
give them a chance to profit from their creativeness.  They weren't
happy with this idea but they felt that it was necessary.

Now the whole thought about this is reversed.  Creators own.  By
act of Congress.  I used to laugh about the line in the song
Camelot that said that rain was only legally permitted during
certain hours of the day.  But Congress didn't laugh.

"There is a saying that is true as well as witty:  that a camel is
a horse that was created by committee." was another line I laughed
at in a song by Alan Sherman.  Congress didn't laugh at that,
either. :)

I'm not ready to say that copyrights do more harm than good.  But
they're doing a lot of harm.  If the trend continues (ala Senator
Hollings) they might turn into a pretty bad thing.

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thanks evertt

real nice to hear from one who has been in the thick of the
designing of this simple and useful device .. i personally like
the lx700 much better :

1. it has a built in wireless thru cell phone dock
2. it can be used for emailing
3. it can be used for web surfing (esp text based sites)
4. it has built in fax program
5. it has built in sms program
6. it has lights on the side for alarm, tel-ring and battery
7. it has no hinge crack problem (lx200 plastic seems bad, lx700
plastic seems good)

To me the LX700 is the perfect machine .. compact, sturdy,
complete

i remember some list members speaking of leaving his lx200 home
and carrying his lx700 by dumping in his knapsack when he went on
camping trips .. to keep in touch with the world thru wireless ..
its THAT sturdy

what i AM curious about is this :

when this product WAS being designed .. people never knew that
this would become so highly successful as to beat several pda's
even in 2002 .. its lack of backlight and no color .. are
ADVANTAGES ! .. makes that silly pencil battery pair last for
ever .. i've seen soo many of my pda's fail .. and then i reach
out .. and the omnigo still works .. its dusty, dirty,
unassuming, undemanding, unobtrusive, silent .. yet it works ..
each time, every time

or did the people know that they ARE designing a super product ?

Another thing that i'm curious about is .. the combination chip
.. which includes the "core" and i/o things .. was proprietory ..
made by hp .. or was it made by intel .. as per hp's specs

and this 'hopper' chip .. was there a hornet chip too ? .. i
remeber daniel or someone else referring to the hornet chip in
the lx200.

..pk, calcutta, india


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> Steve wrote...
> S>    I've wondered if the 100LX team ever considered making
> S> the pixels on the LX square?  Or if a 600 x 200 four/sixteen
> S> color mode was considered?
>
> The primary constraints were:
> 1) Had to be able to run Jaguar (95) programs, hence there had
>    to be a 40x16 alpha mode, and the corresponding graphics
mode.
> 2) CGA compatibility was a VERY HIGH want, hence 640x200x2 and
>    320x200x4.
> 3) The package size shape had to stay basically the same.
>
> With those primary constraints, "square pixels" never entered
the
> picture (so to speak), and we were already pushing the limits
(for
> the time) of what could be crammed onto the Hopper chip, so no
> other video modes were discussed either (other than possibly
VERY
> early on, as the above criteria formed up very quickly).
>
> Everett
>
>
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Fri, 27.12.02 6:14 PM +0200

Hi friends,

New SUPER update. Thanks to all who contributed!
http://www.palmtop.net

Changelog:

* 27-DEZ-02
Backlite V2.0 added
Backlite V1.x filename modified
All occurrences of homepage links and email address of Stefan Peichl updated
All occurrences of homepage links and email address of Curtis Cameron updated
LXPIC updated
LXPRO updated
DOS HELP DATABASE entry deleted, since "THREE DATABASES" referred to same file
TEXT2PRE added
DR. NAT'S DATABASE COLLECTION updated and split up into 3 parts:
  NAT_HLTH.ZIP (Health, 3.2MB)
  NAT_TRVL.ZIP (Travel, 1.4MB)
  NAT_OTHR.ZIP (Others, 7.4MB)
LOCATE added
VDE updated (now Freeware)
ZIP updated (now Freeware)
MFD added (Meyer File/Directory Utilities)
OL2LXinst updated (Outlook <-> LX converter)
FILEF10 added


daniel

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Le Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:12:56 +0530
pksharma <pksharma@CAL.VSNL.NET.IN> a =E9crit:

> and this 'hopper' chip .. was there a hornet chip too ?=20

In fact, the Hopper chip was in the HP95LX.=20
The Hornet chip was in the HP100/200LX.

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Hi,

Since i bought my palmtop 8 months ago, it has a problem which started as a
little problem but is getting bigger and bigger... Attempts to repair it
made it even worse and now i can't really use my palmtop anymore :(...
The problem is, i think, something with the power. When i turn the palmtop
on, i can se the characters only very vague, the most left vertcial screen
line looks OK but the rest is very light-grey on a white background. The
strange thing is, when i invert the screen, indeed it inverts everything so
now the whole screen is black and the light-grey becomes dark-grey, but
slowly(it takes about 20 seconds) the black becomes more and more white, at
the beginning of that progress there is a phase where i can read the
characters, but it becomes white very quick so i can't read anything
then.... I'm sure there is something wrong with the screen contacts at the
left on the screen, but fastening screws and put paper layers between parts
or pressing on a place doesnt work... what does work is: yesterday i
dismantled my palmtop, then i (dis-dismantle, forgot the word) it again, but
without the tube which is between the screen and the keyboard, hoping i
could see whats wrong in this way. What did work, was pushing on the rubber
thingie on the screen data cable in the tube, the contacts on the left to
the screen seem to get on the right place somehow then, because the screen
was OK again(but only temporary, because i don't know a way how to keep it
that way). But cleaning those contacts didnt work, pushing on them also
didnt work. There must be something else wrong with the contacts.... Does
someone know which of the contacts can be the problem? I think it it some
power contact, because the data on the screen is OK, there are no column/row
groups missing, only the colors are wrong... I don't know anything of the
functions of the different contacts, maybe someone on this list knows and
can help??? I hope so....

Thanks in advance,

Gijs

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Date:         Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:56:20 +0100
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Barry wrote:
> Yes I know it's not PC or even very nice to speak out in favor of
> piracy.

Well maybe, but talking about fairness and extortion is, and in a
computing group with as wide an agenda as this one even on topic.

> or if the price is 50% higher for the downloaded ebook
> than for the hardback at full retail

MORE expensive than print? Unless anyone can convince me that a lot of
added value and effort is present in making them (like there obviously
is in say a Braille version or an audiobook)) then I'd got for the
method many of us found acceptable for obsolete older program version:
Buy the paperback and copy the digital version.

Axel

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Le Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:06:48 -0800
Everett Kaser <everett@KASER.COM> a =E9crit:

> Actually, as the 200LX was being finished up (and shortly thereafter),
> we (the dev team at HP) were starting to talk about the next unit
> being a 386-based unit, and I have little doubt that that would have
> come about. =20

As the HP95 was released in 91, and the HP100LX in 93, we could have
hoped to see the next model in fall 1995... (I don't talk about the
HP200, as it is mainly a software upgrade of the HP100).

Perhaps we should have put our crystal ball, and say :=20
"Hey, this thing will be sold for four years (and perhaps more, if you
think about the Y2K bug <g>) !  Then, putting a few bucks more in R&D to
get a i386 architecture will return you back more money than continuing
to product an outdated machine for years !"


> Unfortunately, it was also shortly after the 200LX
> release that HP's upper management decided to move all calculator
> and Palmtop development to Singapore and focus the Corvallis group
> on notebook computers. =20

I remember about this period. As soon we learn that you and a great part
of the known members of the Corvallis team decided to not go to
Singapore, we known that a page has turned.... :-(=20
After that, I was not really surprised by my lack of interrest in the
new HP palmtops....

(Dawn, who let the door open, so non-techies enter HP and finished to
manage it.... ?)=20



> As for any kind of 386 update for current 200LX's, I don't think
> that's possible. =20

I never talked about upgrading our existing 200LXs, of course... ;-)

I was just saying that it was probably not very difficult to HP/Intel to
replace the 80186 core in the Hornet chip by a 80386(ssx?) core. The
main problem being perhaps the change of memory adressing, in order to
get up to 64Mb(?) of flat memory (for user programs) while keeping some
compatibility with the HPxxLX architecture (C: drive using main Ram, and
applications in ROM).



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Date:         Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:55:14 -0500
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What part is not working? I know that foxpro makes the screen invisible
because it thinks the LX is a CGA color screen. When I put it into
monochrome mode it seems to work. I also need a program that makes sure the
cursor is not invisible.

try this:
mode mono
mono8024
foxpro

All look on supper for the 'cursor on' program.


If non of this helps then let me know and I'll dig up the details.





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Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 12:41 PM
Subject: HP200LX and MaxDos


> Good Afternoon All:
> By magic my HP200LX that was seltzer drenched in early October started
> to work Christmas Day when (on a whim) I put batteries in it and all
> worked as it did before the deluge. I guess Santa was good to me!
> Since all my data for the box was stored on CF RAM (drive A:) I lost
> very little from the last backup. All except the files that make
> MaxDos work that must have been stored on the C drive. I say that
> because the the MaxDos directory is on A:.
> I use FoxPro 2.6 for DOS on the 200LX and use MaxDos to allow it to
> work. However, no matter what I do I can't seem to make Fox work in
> the 200LX.
> I checked the docs for MaxDos and followed them but still it does not
> work. Does anyone have any tips for MaxDos? I wish I could remember
> how I got it all to work in the first place!
> Thanks.
> Regards,
>
> Jack Skelley
> skelley@newjerseydevils.com
>
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Date:         Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:21:02 -0500
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Good Evening:
In the autoexec.bat:
a:\maxdos\maxdos.com -L -WA:\Swap
In the program manager I have entry
a:\maxdos\maxdos.com a:\fpd26\fox.exe|
When the entry is selected the maxdos banner appears and the system hangs.
If I have in the entry a:\maxdos\maxdos.com then go to the Fox directory and
run fox.exe all works great.
I can't get the fox to run from the program manager
Thanks for any help
Regards,

Jack Skelley

eD\\/ARd0 F/\\KEn^M3 wrote:

> What part is not working? I know that foxpro makes the screen invisible
> because it thinks the LX is a CGA color screen. When I put it into
> monochrome mode it seems to work. I also need a program that makes sure the
> cursor is not invisible.
>
> try this:
> mode mono
> mono8024
> foxpro
>
> All look on supper for the 'cursor on' program.
>
> If non of this helps then let me know and I'll dig up the details.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack Skelley" <Skelley@NEWJERSEYDEVILS.COM>
> To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 12:41 PM
> Subject: HP200LX and MaxDos
>
> > Good Afternoon All:
> > By magic my HP200LX that was seltzer drenched in early October started
> > to work Christmas Day when (on a whim) I put batteries in it and all
> > worked as it did before the deluge. I guess Santa was good to me!
> > Since all my data for the box was stored on CF RAM (drive A:) I lost
> > very little from the last backup. All except the files that make
> > MaxDos work that must have been stored on the C drive. I say that
> > because the the MaxDos directory is on A:.
> > I use FoxPro 2.6 for DOS on the 200LX and use MaxDos to allow it to
> > work. However, no matter what I do I can't seem to make Fox work in
> > the 200LX.
> > I checked the docs for MaxDos and followed them but still it does not
> > work. Does anyone have any tips for MaxDos? I wish I could remember
> > how I got it all to work in the first place!
> > Thanks.
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jack Skelley
> > skelley@newjerseydevils.com
> >
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> >

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Subject:      Running Foxpro under MaxDos (was: HP200LX and MaxDos
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Ya got me there. I always used SC to run foxpro. Maybe it's because foxpro
needs to run from a Dos shell? Try running a batch file that runs foxpro
instead of running it directly from maxdos. You can also do a 'command -e'
to run foxpro from the shell.

Also: isn't fox.exe just a launcher? IIRC foxpro had several execuatables.
Some were optimized for 386+ with expanded memory and others used a memory
overlay. (.ovl file?)



----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: HP200LX and MaxDos


> Good Evening:
> In the autoexec.bat:
> a:\maxdos\maxdos.com -L -WA:\Swap
> In the program manager I have entry
> a:\maxdos\maxdos.com a:\fpd26\fox.exe|
> When the entry is selected the maxdos banner appears and the system hangs.
> If I have in the entry a:\maxdos\maxdos.com then go to the Fox directory
and
> run fox.exe all works great.
> I can't get the fox to run from the program manager
> Thanks for any help
> Regards,
>
> Jack Skelley
>
> eD\\/ARd0 F/\\KEn^M3 wrote:
>
> > What part is not working? I know that foxpro makes the screen invisible
> > because it thinks the LX is a CGA color screen. When I put it into
> > monochrome mode it seems to work. I also need a program that makes sure
the
> > cursor is not invisible.
> >
> > try this:
> > mode mono
> > mono8024
> > foxpro
> >
> > All look on supper for the 'cursor on' program.
> >
> > If non of this helps then let me know and I'll dig up the details.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jack Skelley" <Skelley@NEWJERSEYDEVILS.COM>
> > To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
> > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 12:41 PM
> > Subject: HP200LX and MaxDos
> >
> > > Good Afternoon All:
> > > By magic my HP200LX that was seltzer drenched in early October started
> > > to work Christmas Day when (on a whim) I put batteries in it and all
> > > worked as it did before the deluge. I guess Santa was good to me!
> > > Since all my data for the box was stored on CF RAM (drive A:) I lost
> > > very little from the last backup. All except the files that make
> > > MaxDos work that must have been stored on the C drive. I say that
> > > because the the MaxDos directory is on A:.
> > > I use FoxPro 2.6 for DOS on the 200LX and use MaxDos to allow it to
> > > work. However, no matter what I do I can't seem to make Fox work in
> > > the 200LX.
> > > I checked the docs for MaxDos and followed them but still it does not
> > > work. Does anyone have any tips for MaxDos? I wish I could remember
> > > how I got it all to work in the first place!
> > > Thanks.
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Jack Skelley
> > > skelley@newjerseydevils.com
> > >
> > > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml
> > >
>
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Good Evening:
You are correct. Fox.exe is a launcher that *decides* the optimum version to
launch
In order to run foxprox.exe you have to have a minimum of a 386 processor.
So it will default to foxpro.exe on a 200LX.
No matter what I do the app manager will not launch maxdos and some executable.
Maybe I have other issues like the 200LX is still not working properly from the
seltzer dunk.
Thanks for your help.
Regards,

Jack Skelley


eD\\/ARd0 F/\\KEn^M3 wrote:

> Ya got me there. I always used SC to run foxpro. Maybe it's because foxpro
> needs to run from a Dos shell? Try running a batch file that runs foxpro
> instead of running it directly from maxdos. You can also do a 'command -e'
> to run foxpro from the shell.
>
> Also: isn't fox.exe just a launcher? IIRC foxpro had several execuatables.
> Some were optimized for 386+ with expanded memory and others used a memory
> overlay. (.ovl file?)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack Skelley" <Skelley@NEWJERSEYDEVILS.COM>
> To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: HP200LX and MaxDos
>
> > Good Evening:
> > In the autoexec.bat:
> > a:\maxdos\maxdos.com -L -WA:\Swap
> > In the program manager I have entry
> > a:\maxdos\maxdos.com a:\fpd26\fox.exe|
> > When the entry is selected the maxdos banner appears and the system hangs.
> > If I have in the entry a:\maxdos\maxdos.com then go to the Fox directory
> and
> > run fox.exe all works great.
> > I can't get the fox to run from the program manager
> > Thanks for any help
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jack Skelley
> >
> > eD\\/ARd0 F/\\KEn^M3 wrote:
> >
> > > What part is not working? I know that foxpro makes the screen invisible
> > > because it thinks the LX is a CGA color screen. When I put it into
> > > monochrome mode it seems to work. I also need a program that makes sure
> the
> > > cursor is not invisible.
> > >
> > > try this:
> > > mode mono
> > > mono8024
> > > foxpro
> > >
> > > All look on supper for the 'cursor on' program.
> > >
> > > If non of this helps then let me know and I'll dig up the details.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jack Skelley" <Skelley@NEWJERSEYDEVILS.COM>
> > > To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 12:41 PM
> > > Subject: HP200LX and MaxDos
> > >
> > > > Good Afternoon All:
> > > > By magic my HP200LX that was seltzer drenched in early October started
> > > > to work Christmas Day when (on a whim) I put batteries in it and all
> > > > worked as it did before the deluge. I guess Santa was good to me!
> > > > Since all my data for the box was stored on CF RAM (drive A:) I lost
> > > > very little from the last backup. All except the files that make
> > > > MaxDos work that must have been stored on the C drive. I say that
> > > > because the the MaxDos directory is on A:.
> > > > I use FoxPro 2.6 for DOS on the 200LX and use MaxDos to allow it to
> > > > work. However, no matter what I do I can't seem to make Fox work in
> > > > the 200LX.
> > > > I checked the docs for MaxDos and followed them but still it does not
> > > > work. Does anyone have any tips for MaxDos? I wish I could remember
> > > > how I got it all to work in the first place!
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Jack Skelley
> > > > skelley@newjerseydevils.com
> > > >
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> > > >
> >
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Ah, so it sounds like a maxdos issue. Does maxdos create a swap file? Try
deleting it. Maybe it's 'cause the swap file is on the A: drive?


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Running Foxpro under MaxDos (was: HP200LX and MaxDos


> Good Evening:
> You are correct. Fox.exe is a launcher that *decides* the optimum version
to
> launch
> In order to run foxprox.exe you have to have a minimum of a 386 processor.
> So it will default to foxpro.exe on a 200LX.
> No matter what I do the app manager will not launch maxdos and some
executable.
> Maybe I have other issues like the 200LX is still not working properly
from the
> seltzer dunk.
> Thanks for your help.
> Regards,
>
> Jack Skelley
>
>
> eD\\/ARd0 F/\\KEn^M3 wrote:
>
> > Ya got me there. I always used SC to run foxpro. Maybe it's because
foxpro

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Date:         Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:06:55 -0800
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Subject:      Re: next version of pda .. after the lx200/lx700 .. a 386 based
              one .. and later
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pksharma wrote...
>> we (the dev team at HP) were starting to talk about the next
>> unit being a 386-based unit,

p> since this 'talk' did start .. tell us abt it .. what more was
p> planned to be put in that 386 based unit ?

There's not much else to tell, as there wasn't time for it to
progress.  As you get to the end of one project, people start
thinking about "what's next?"  The hardware folks always got
started a little sooner and finished a little sooner than the
software folks (because you can't finish the software until
the hardware is finished), so most of that kind of speculation
was on their part, while we were still finishing the 200LX.
However, everything was sent to Singapore RIGHT after the 200LX
was released (as best my memory serves ...which isn't as well
as it used to. :-)  So, there really wasn't time for it to
get very far.

p> apparently 386 would have allowed multi-tasking .. 286 didn't
p> allow that in MicroSoft's windows 3.xx

Yes, that was one of the reasons for wanting to go to the 386,
because there was a lot of interest on the part of customers to
be able to do that. (Like it or not...)

p> it might have also allowed pen computing .. if a touch screen
p> could have been included the screen would have been a vga ..
p> naturally .. but color ? ugh

I'm sure that a touch screen, a vga screen, and color would have
all been in store, as that's the natural progression.  Alas, only
in an alternate universe now...

p> ! would have eaten up the batteries sooo fast as to have been
p> detested .. and would the batteries have still been the standard
p> ones .. not special ones .. so that we could get them on the road
p> from any shop and work could go on

Battery life was ALWAYS a big consideration at Corvallis, and
we would not have been willing to do anything if it meant
shortening the battery life even further.  Of course, it's possible
that we'd eventually have gone to a lithium battery that could be
recharged every day or two, but we hated the battery life that we
had in the 100/200 and wished it could have been much longer.

p> this i learnt from bob too ! .. and singapore guys just dropped
p> all development of this superb piece of h/w !

The problem was that the Singapore group didn't have the ...um...
"cultural background?"  (as in calculator-design "culture", I'm NOT
talking about US vrs chinese culture) that Corvallis did.  The line
was doomed to failure as soon as upper-management made the decision
to move it.  To me, that was the final "sign-post" confirming what
had happened in the upper-levels of the corporation.  ANYONE with
a good engineering background (hell, anyone with common SENSE) would
have known what would happen.  But by that point they were all
"marketing whizzes" (or fast becoming), who's belief was that "product
developement can be done by ANYONE...just hire some engineers, tell
them what to do, and they'll do it."  Oh well.

>> and focus the Corvallis group on notebook computers.
p> and did it ? the corvallis group .. did it do any good work .. in
p> the designing of the notebooks .. like they did for the lx200 ?

Some, but not nearly enough.  The problem was that the Corvallis
group had VERY little background in MS-DOS and Windows platforms.
You have to remember that they'd been designing calculators with
custom CPUs and ROM code for nearly 20 YEARS, using Unix computers
to do the design work on.  That was how I managed to get my position
on the Jaguar (95) development team, because I had a lot of PC
background and experience.  When they suddenly took 75-100 engineers
from that environment and told them, "start designing notebook
computers running MS Windows and, oh, you need to have the first
models out in 9 months, and the next one 6 months later, and so on"
they just didn't have the background and experience for the job.
They did some neat work on the HP 300 and follow on, but that was
going on at the same time as the 95/100/200, so that group had
more time to develope it.  The "mainstream" notebooks were OEM'd
from a Taiwan company and were pretty poor (in my opinion, and
I worked on some of them.)  I left HP 5 years ago, but kept in
contact with friends there, and they seem to have been improving
their notebook products and finally starting to hit their stride,
....and then a-l-o-n-g came the merger...  Oh well.

p> that's a sad end .. the greatness of that group are evident only
p> now ! i think that no one knew .. not even the group itself ..
p> about what a revolution it had completed in that designing .. and
p> when we did know .. its just too late ..

Oh, I think the engineers knew what a great product it was, everyone
was very proud of it.  Unfortunately, management had a different
opinion of what a "successful" product was, and how fast it had
to come about.  Actually, part of the problem was that they wanted
to be an "IBM class" computer company, and they had no one else
to do notebooks for them, so they said, "Hey, notebooks can make
100's of times more profit than this silly calculator line can,
so let's toss that fading line to Singapore and redirect these
Corvallis folks in a big way towards notebooks!"  Again, those
kinds of managers just don't understand the realities of "life
in the engineering trenches."

Everett

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pksharma wrote...
>> (and I speak as a person who
>> makes his living by creating and selling copyrighted works!)

p> everett .. you ARE a brave man ! .. to put copyright to test ..
p> when you depend in it to make a living too ! .. yet, i guess,
p> what needs to be said has to be said .. brave indeed !

Oh, I believe in the neccesity of copyrights so that creative people
can earn a living, just not endless (ok, unreasonably lengthy)
copyright periods.

This is straying a bit far from the subject matter of this list, and
is at risk of becoming a political discussion, so I'll limit myself
to this one last post on the subject:

When you work digging ditches, you get paid by the hour.  Creators
of "intellectual property" usually don't get paid until long after
the actual work is done.  Hence, there IS a need for a period of
copyright protection during which they can "earn their pay".  BUT...
that has to be balanced against the needs of society as a whole
(and our children's children's children...)

If *I* were King...

I'd say: works may be copyrighted for a period of 20 years by
submitting a high-quality, complete copy to the Library of Congress
along with your copyright registration form.  The Library would
keep that copy "in a vault", not accessible by the public for the
duration fo the copyright.  (For software, this would be required
to include the complete source codes.)  The copyright could be
renewed for another 20 years, and renewed again for a third 20
years, for a maximum of 60 years, BUT ONLY BY THE ORIGINAL
COPYRIGHT HOLDER, and the copyright would expire upon the author's
death if that occurred after the first 20 year period, or at the
end of the first 20 year period if the author died during that term.
FURTHER, the copyright would lapse if the "work" were unavailable
for sale for a period longer than 5 years.  The copyright holder
would have to maintain current contact information with the Library
of Congress, so that persons trying to acquire copies of the "work"
could track it down and acquire a copy.

And that's it.  One short paragraph, a reasonable balance of needs.
But instead, what we get from Congress is 100's of pages of legalese,
and a copyright law SO complex and containing so many ifs, ands,
buts, and wherefores, that it's now almost impossible to know
if a work first published after 1923 is copyrighted or in the
public domain.  The "must be available at least every 5 years" clause
is to prevent publishers from sitting on huge back-lists and never
making them available, and to solve the problem of so-called
"Abandonware."

However, this will never happen.  I feel that THE biggest flaw in
our current capitalistic system is the concept of buying and selling
"shares" in a company.  This notion all by itself drives EVERY
public company to the limit of greed.  If *I* were King... it would
be illegal to sell "shares" (I find the concept to be as immoral
as prostitution and slavery, and for most of the same reasons).  I
feel that the profits of a business should go ENTIRELY to the persons
involved in the business, the ones actually doing the work.  Entire
books could be written on this subject, and I'm not going to go
deeper into the subject here (as I'm REALLY straying far afield now,
but it does apply in a sense, as I came to this conclusion during the
last 5-10 years of working at HP, as I watched the original structure
that was built by Bill & Dave being torn down and turned into a
greed-driven, max-profits-for-the-shareholders modern corporation, and
I had to ask myself why I hated it so much and what would work
better).  Bill & Dave started the company, and they were the brains
and "drive" behind getting it going and keeping it going in the
right direction, and I can't emphasize enough their importance to
making HP what it became.  BUT... they didn't do it alone, they
COULDN'T, it took an army of people working along with them to build
that company into what it became, and Bill & Dave had NO RIGHT to
"sell" the company to people who WEREN'T WORKING THERE.  Their part
of the company should have only BEEN their part as long as they
were working there, and should not have been "transferrable" to
anyone who was NOT working there.

But... as I said, the details could fill several volumes.  'Nuff said.

(Now who stole the ladder I need to get down off this high horse???)

Everett

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AFIK, Derive is still available at...

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Bob

Carlos Lacroze wrote:
> =

> Thanks, Jan Pieter. Those links were very complete.
> =

> Anyhow, would you know where can I get applications like MatLab 3.5 for=

> DOS and Derive 4.11/13... MS project 4 f/DOS, Harvard Project Manager
> 3.02, Stacker 4.0, ...
> =

> Regards, Carlos
> =

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jan Pieter Beekhuis" <beekhuis@TISCALI.CH>
> To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:48 AM
> Subject: Re: HP 200LX newbie - Looking for DOS Soft (Corrected)
> =

> Hi Carlos,
> I tried the links and corrected one. Just disregard my previous message=
,
> sorry.
> =

> Here are links for you (tech/financial might be found there):
> =

> http://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/
> http://members.cox.net/dos/index.htm
> http://www.palmtop.net/supernew.html
> =

> My own other favorites are:
> =

> http://www.dasoft.com
> http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx
> http://short.stop.home.att.net/index.htm
> http://www.hplx.pgdn.de
> http://mdrury.hypermart.net/
> http://home.mnet-online.de/horst.muc/
> =

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Jack Skelley wrote:
>
> Good Evening:
> In the autoexec.bat:
> a:\maxdos\maxdos.com -L -WA:\Swap
> In the program manager I have entry
> a:\maxdos\maxdos.com a:\fpd26\fox.exe|
> When the entry is selected the maxdos banner appears and the system hangs.
> If I have in the entry a:\maxdos\maxdos.com then go to the Fox directory and
> run fox.exe all works great.
> I can't get the fox to run from the program manager
> Thanks for any help
> Regards,
>
> Jack Skelley

Have you tried to put the Maxdos and FPD26 directories in your path and
append statements?

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This situation (from previous message) left me some inquiries.

Index:
1. 200LX DOS Software overall RANKING by category areas
2. A newbie case (mine): How to change the internal language ?
3. A newbie case (mine): How to improve the performance of a 200LX (1 Mb)
model ? (by Hardware)

1) Besides the magnificent SUPER repository and some reviews read, is the=
re
any applications ranking among the specialized members of this community =
?
For example, which Word Processor (between the internal by default, PalEd=
it
3.1, WordPerfect 5.1, MS Word 5.5, Professional Write, etc.) is the most
used and why ? Which applications are the most chosen in the 200LX
environment ? And in the other category areas such as Financial, DOS
Utilities, Connectivity (PC, Outlook transfers, etc) and Communications,
Battery checker, Scientific Calculators, Dictionaries, Science (Chemistry=
),
CAD, Linear Programming, Statistics, Geography Maps, Databases, File
Viewers, ... ? explainning the criteria like overall performance, ease of
use and interface, size, ...
As I didn't come to it yet, perhaps the idea has no sense at all, in whic=
h
case I apologise for the inconvenience.


2) The case is I'd just bought a 5 year old used HP 200LX (1 Mb*) (in
spanish) along w/ a EXP ThinFax 1414LXM PCMCIA Fax/modem + flash memory c=
ard
combined of 4 Mb (Used).

Is there a way to change the spanish internals, in a way that let me
interact with it in english (versions of DOS, Lotus and the other apps) ?
(Does the ROM comes programmed in different languages ?)


3) I would like to improve the machine. Would some power user here sugges=
t
me to,

a) double the speed and increase its RAM size with the so well recommende=
d
people from http://www.times2tech.com/hp200lx.html,
*How much can I increase speed and RAM and how much would it cost me ? or

b) get a Viking Adapter for using CompactFlash in a PC Card slot (10 US$)
along w/ a Viking CF128M 128MB CompactFlash Card for a MP3 player, PDA or
digital camera (40 US$ aprox) or for that matter, just a Viking FL192MDVA
192MB Dual Voltage ATA PC Card Flash Memory (125 US$)... or even a SanDis=
k
Card for 20 bucks at eBay Which are the pros and cons in each case ? (I
understand the 200LX can handle more than 220 Mb. Is tha true, by the way
?) -Is there a quality ranking of providers in this issue?-, or

c) both a) and b) altogether (if I had the money ;-)

and what is known about the Backlighting new offer (jan 03) ???
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/backlight/


Regards,

Carlos Lacroze
Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Thank you very much for your concern, Robert.

I'd also found another european reseller (who offered it to me at 50 euro=
s),
although I still don't know which release 4.11 or 4.13 ... and I didn't f=
ind
any local dealers yet.

I've also read somewhere that they still sell it nearly only to 200LX
users... and as a new 200LX user I should get it, cause I understand that=
's
the best math tool for the device, but I'm afraid it's too expensive for =
me
now. (Economy down here got pretty tough).

Although I sincerely thought that being so old, it could be freeware by n=
ow.
I thought the same of the other commercial applications previously mentio=
ned
(like MS project 4 f/DOS, Harvard Project Manager 3.02, Symphony 3.0,
Stacker 4.0, Super Software Carousel, Mathcad for DOS, AutoCAD 10 for
DOS,...) That's why I asked for them in this public forum, among others
related (I come from the 4x series newsgroup), without any major comment.
Not even the gentle links Jan Pieter sent me, made the trick.

It doesn't make sense to me to pay that value for such an old application=
,
while I spent (yesterday) half of it in a 10 year old used device (200LX =
1
Mb). I should look for another options instead, expecting to find a
solution.


Regards,

Carlos Lacroze
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AFIK, Derive is still available at...

http://www.chartwellyorke.com/dfdind.html

Bob

Carlos Lacroze wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jan Pieter. Those links were very complete.
>
> Anyhow, would you know where can I get applications like MatLab 3.5 for
> DOS and Derive 4.11/13... MS project 4 f/DOS, Harvard Project Manager
> 3.02, Stacker 4.0, ...
>
> Regards, Carlos
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jan Pieter Beekhuis" <beekhuis@TISCALI.CH>
> To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:48 AM
> Subject: Re: HP 200LX newbie - Looking for DOS Soft (Corrected)
>
> Hi Carlos,
> I tried the links and corrected one. Just disregard my previous message=
,
> sorry.
>
> Here are links for you (tech/financial might be found there):
>
> http://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/
> http://members.cox.net/dos/index.htm
> http://www.palmtop.net/supernew.html
>
> My own other favorites are:
>
> http://www.dasoft.com
> http://www.ccdominoes.com/hplx
> http://short.stop.home.att.net/index.htm
> http://www.hplx.pgdn.de
> http://mdrury.hypermart.net/
> http://home.mnet-online.de/horst.muc/
>
> Jan Pieter Beekhuis
>
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Hi Gijs

your problem sounds really like a cable problem. Do you have any chance
to replace the screen ribbon cable by another one?
Did you clean all contacts (on the motherboard side and on the screen
side) of the cable and the connectors?

If you have any chance to replace one of the involved parts (screen,
cable, motherboard), do so to find out which component is or is not the
defective one.

I have never seen your problem, but you are probably right, that one of
the contacts from the motherboard to the screen is defective.

daniel

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Hi All,

I am looking for speller dictionaries other than English to enhance my
PE. Word lists would also be good. Does anyone use German or Dutch
spellers with PE? If you are prepared to give me a copy please send it
to me off-list.

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With the screen ribbon cable, i think you mean the grey cable which leads to
the batterries? It leads to the negative pole of the battery, so i think
it's the ground connection. But is there also a contact on the brown cable
which is responsable for the power of the whole screen? Which one could that
be?

It's very strange, i can't find out what is going right/wrong when i move
the cable a bit like i said in my preious mail. I thought it was a problem
with the brown cable... But i'll try to solder the ribbon cable to the
screen again to see if it works.

Thanks for your info,
Gijs

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> Hi Gijs
>
> your problem sounds really like a cable problem. Do you have any chance
> to replace the screen ribbon cable by another one?
> Did you clean all contacts (on the motherboard side and on the screen
> side) of the cable and the connectors?
>
> If you have any chance to replace one of the involved parts (screen,
> cable, motherboard), do so to find out which component is or is not the
> defective one.
>
> I have never seen your problem, but you are probably right, that one of
> the contacts from the motherboard to the screen is defective.
>
> daniel
>
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>>If *I* were King...

>>(Now who stole the ladder I need to get down off this high horse???)

me, you stay up there

EK for King who's with me???

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Hal wrote...
HG> Not sure if not remember, but I actually met you twice at HP in '82 and
HG> '83.  (Memory may not be entirely accurate). Once briefly when you met
HG> with our HP 150 Touchscreen software engineering team about the "Nomad"
HG> HP 110 Portable still in development. Then, you came down again from
HG> Corvallis to the Bay Area to train a support team that I had recently
HG> joined again on the Nomad.

I don't recall the circumstances, but I definitely remember meeting
you a couple of times (it seems like it was at Corvallis).

Everett

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pksharma wrote...
p> and this 'hopper' chip .. was there a hornet chip too ?

Yes, I think the 95 chip was called Hopper, and the 100/200 chip
was called Hornet.  (I may have those backwards, but I don't think so)

p>  .. the combination chip
p> .. which includes the "core" and i/o things .. was proprietory ..
p> made by hp .. or was it made by intel .. as per hp's specs

It was what was called an ASIC, I believe.  Anyway, it's basically
a large IC that could have a variety of "sections" "plopped down"
and "sewn together".  One piece was the 8086 core, there was another
large section that was a PLA (programmable logic array), etc.  Most
of the "custom/proprietary" stuff was done in the PLA, which is really
just a large array of logic gates that can be wired together however
you want.  So, the HP hardware engineers designed the logic they
wanted, gave that design to Intel, and Intel manufactured it to HP's
specs.

Everett

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Jacques wrote...
JB> (Dawn, who let the door open, so non-techies enter HP and finished to
JB> manage it.... ?)

The Board of Directors and stock shareholders.  See my later diatribe
about copyrights and the evils of "shareholders". :-)

Everett

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hmm.. tks .. pk


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> pksharma wrote...
> p> and this 'hopper' chip .. was there a hornet chip too ?
>
> Yes, I think the 95 chip was called Hopper, and the 100/200
chip
> was called Hornet.  (I may have those backwards, but I don't
think so)

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hmm .. tks .. pk


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Le Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:12:56 +0530
pksharma <pksharma@CAL.VSNL.NET.IN> a =E9crit:

> and this 'hopper' chip .. was there a hornet chip too ?

In fact, the Hopper chip was in the HP95LX.
The Hornet chip was in the HP100/200LX.

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Hi Franklin and hi all programmers out there! :-)

1 day 21h09m ago Franklin Eekhout wrote:

> Looking for CF WiFi cards I came across this, and remembering inquiries on
> the list:
>
> http://www.hawkingtech.com/products/cf100w.htm

Looks good...

> It's main feature, LX-wise, is the 120 mA max current. :-)

Looks better! :-)

> Unless some enterprising soul wants to develop a driver? They seem to have
> Linux
> drivers for other WiFi cards, maybe they are the same chip-set? There is a
> Prism 2.5 logo on the page, which lead me here:
>
> http://www.intersil.com/design/prism/ss/p2smtrx.asp#-Prod_Driver_Package_Exe

That's great! If that card is really based on a Prism 2.5 chipset,
which is probably very similar to Prism 2, I can contribute
documentation for all available registers etc. so prting a driver from
Linux to DOS would be much easier.
I know there are various Linux drivers, since I used them, and I even
looked into the source code of some of them, because I had to modify
them for one of my studies projects.
Some of these driver source codes are pretty easy to "understand", so I
think it wouldn't be too hard for an experienced DOS programmer to port
the basic functions to DOS.

Anyone interested in such a project?

daniel

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Sat, 28.12.02 5:48 PM +0200

Hi friends,

the official Backlight Homepage is now online:
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/backlight

There is a link to it on www.palmtop.net, so you don't have to remember the
like above.

I will keep you up-to-date regarding availablilty of the backlight
upgrade via that page and via the list, it seems that backlight will be
available in the middle of January 2003.
Rumours say that the price for the backlight kit will be 65-70 Euros
and for upgrade service another 65-70 Euros... but the prices are not
fixed yet.

From the backlight page you also reach the installation instruction
sheet, which you can use to figure out if you will be able to do the
upgrade by yourself or if you rather should order upgrade service, too
;-)

And please also note that the page http://www.backlight4you.com, where
you will order the backlight kit from, is not yet updated, thus does
not contain the 200LX upgrade yet, so don't search for it.

There is still a chance that Thaddeus Computing will also offer
backlight upgrade. I'm sure Hal will report once they have decided if
they will offer it, too.

daniel

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Hi Everett,

welcome to the list!

2 days 09h11m ago Everett Kaser wrote:

> :-( That's been out of the question for years, unfortunately.
> HP today is nothing more than "just another multi-national corp"
> in my opinion.  They've given up almost all of their own
> engineering in favor of OEMing.  It's not "Bill & Dave's HP"
> anymore.

I know exactly what you mean. Like some of us, I collect the old DOS
palmtops, and I have one of these good old (and still very useful)
Omnibook 800CT machines, which serves me daily with running Linux for
my diploma thesis and many things more.

It's great to have someone here on the list who was directly involved
into development of the palmtop.

Do you know by any chance if someone of the hardware development crew
is still available? It would also be interesting to talk to that side
of the HP palmtop team (I am the one who continued the backlight
project, and I did some other hardware work on the palmtop, including
research of EMI influences on the IR interface caused by cell phones).

Since you are a software expert, maybe you can comment on some of the
questions which came up here on the list. For example we have discussed
if it's possible to extract the ROM software in some way to use it on a
desktop PC or on a 1000CX.
I also remember that some people were eager to know the exact
differences between EXEs and EXMs...

Thanks, Everett, that you came along, I hope you'll stay some time and
maybe we can convince (influenc<g>) you to use the 200LX more often
again.

daniel


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Hi Franklin

1 day 20h50m ago Franklin Eekhout wrote:

> A link to what seems are dos drivers, and mention of 80188... But that isn't
> the same as an 80186, I suppose.
>
> http://www.boerde.de/~matthias/airnet/zcom/

Well, if I understand that correctly, these are all drivers for older
PRISM1 cards, not PRISM2 or 2.5. These were 802.11-compliant cards,
which do not use all the features of 802.11b, and only have a data rate
up to 2Mbit/s.
This would of course be snough for any possible palmtop application, I
think. But I don't think there are any PRISM1 cards which work in the
palmtop... I could be wrong, of course. If anyone has an old 802.11
card, please try it in the palmtop! Maybe with  the driver given on
that site above
(Under "Drivers for the card" the "V2.03" link. This seems to contain a
PRISM1 DOS driver.

Interesting! Thank you for your investigations!

daniel

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Hi Everett,

1 day 05h25m ago Everett Kaser wrote:

> With those primary constraints, "square pixels" never entered the
> picture (so to speak), and we were already pushing the limits (for
> the time) of what could be crammed onto the Hopper chip, so no
> other video modes were discussed either (other than possibly VERY
> early on, as the above criteria formed up very quickly).

You mention "Hopper" all the time, wasn't the name of the chip
"Hornet"? Or do you speak about something different?

daniel

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Hi Everett,

1 day 05h25m ago Everett Kaser wrote:

> As for any kind of 386 update for current 200LX's, I don't think
> that's possible.  The CPU in the 95/100/200's was an 8086 "core"
> that was included on Hopper chip, along with all of the I/O and
> other stuff.  It's not a matter of pulling out the CPU and somehow
> soldering in another, as it's a monolithic chip.

Well, there are other monolithic chips available now, based on 486s for
example, but since all the interfaces are different, this would mean a
total redesign of the 200LX, including another (VGA) screen.
Do you know the "Morphy One" project?
That's an interesting Japanese "open hardware" project, the design is
obviously based on the 200LX, but it is a 486 machine, with CGA, 2* CF,
and some other improvements.
Unfortunately, it has never been sold outside Japan, and there doesn't
seem to be much progress in that project anymore.
http://www.morphyone.org
Wow, I just realize that the server www.morphyone.org isn't available -
hope the project didn't vanish!
However, pictures and some japanese description are still available on
http://www.page.sannet.ne.jp/t_nakagawa/mo1.htm
One of the pictures there really shows a part of a 200LX keyboard.

daniel

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Date:         Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:11:30 -0500
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Daniel,

I just logged onto www.morphyone.org/index_e.shtml and it appears they've produced a prototype board for the little
machine.

Bill

12/28/2002 5:07:53 PM, Daniel Hertrich <daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE> wrote:

>Hi Everett,
>
>1 day 05h25m ago Everett Kaser wrote:
>
>> As for any kind of 386 update for current 200LX's, I don't think
>> that's possible.  The CPU in the 95/100/200's was an 8086 "core"
>> that was included on Hopper chip, along with all of the I/O and
>> other stuff.  It's not a matter of pulling out the CPU and somehow
>> soldering in another, as it's a monolithic chip.
>
>Well, there are other monolithic chips available now, based on 486s for
>example, but since all the interfaces are different, this would mean a
>total redesign of the 200LX, including another (VGA) screen.
>Do you know the "Morphy One" project?
>That's an interesting Japanese "open hardware" project, the design is
>obviously based on the 200LX, but it is a 486 machine, with CGA, 2* CF,
>and some other improvements.
>Unfortunately, it has never been sold outside Japan, and there doesn't
>seem to be much progress in that project anymore.
>http://www.morphyone.org
>Wow, I just realize that the server www.morphyone.org isn't available -
>hope the project didn't vanish!
>However, pictures and some japanese description are still available on
>http://www.page.sannet.ne.jp/t_nakagawa/mo1.htm
>One of the pictures there really shows a part of a 200LX keyboard.
>
>daniel
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Everett Kaser wrote:
> ... but we hated the battery life that we
> had in the 100/200 and wished it could have been much longer.

I replace 2 cheap AAs (@55 cents) about every 5-7 weeks; I don't
see how better battery life would noticeably improve my LX use.

I would gladly accept half of my battery life to get 386 and
display improvements.  I would still have very usable battery
life that would be head and shoulders above pda compitition.

Perhaps you set the 'bar' too high?
The LX team did good, no Great, work; thank you!

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Hal,
I, for one, will be paying someone to install the backlighting on one
(or more) of my 200LXs. If you do decide to perform the upgrades,
please let us know ASAP. I want to be the first in line for this
useful upgrade.

Thanks
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At 12/28/02-01:09 PM, Daniel Hertrich <daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE> wrote:
>Sat, 28.12.02 5:48 PM +0200
>
>Hi friends,
>
>the official Backlight Homepage is now online:
>http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/backlight

FANTASTIC! WONDERFUL! This is so good to see!

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Roboweb HTML trees (using DetagFlag=0) are now easily
transplanted to another directory as all internal links are
relative. After running a 360 page dig using Roboweb on the
laptop I had 7.5MB in a directory on c:\ whereas I wanted it in
a:\ for the palmtop. Now, it doesn't matter, as the HTML tree
runs from anywhere.

XDFN.ZIP has an HP Solver called XDFN.EQN which implements the
recursive continued fraction algorithm to compute fractional
approximations. Accuracy is from 1-15 decimal places, and
the number of iterations can be forced if you want to study
the successive results.

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Hi friends;

Anyone knows the Nokia D211??
GSM / GPRS / WLAN combo

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Hi,

My display has a problem and i think the problem is the brown LCD cable.
Does someone has one of these lying around? I live in Amsterdam (maybe there
is someone Dutch having one?). I hope someone can help me...

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Daniel,

Great news! The pictures look wonderful!  Time to sell the iPAQ....

I hope Hal makes a positive decision.  I've ready to have the backlight
installed on at least one machine and probably two.

Best,

Bill

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Sat, 28.12.02 5:48 PM +0200

Hi friends,

the official Backlight Homepage is now online:
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/backlight

There is a link to it on www.palmtop.net, so you don't have to remember the
like above.

I will keep you up-to-date regarding availablilty of the backlight
upgrade via that page and via the list, it seems that backlight will be
available in the middle of January 2003.
Rumours say that the price for the backlight kit will be 65-70 Euros
and for upgrade service another 65-70 Euros... but the prices are not
fixed yet.

From the backlight page you also reach the installation instruction
sheet, which you can use to figure out if you will be able to do the
upgrade by yourself or if you rather should order upgrade service, too
;-)

And please also note that the page http://www.backlight4you.com, where
you will order the backlight kit from, is not yet updated, thus does
not contain the 200LX upgrade yet, so don't search for it.

There is still a chance that Thaddeus Computing will also offer
backlight upgrade. I'm sure Hal will report once they have decided if
they will offer it, too.

daniel

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Daniel,

Thank you so much for this effort!

I will upgrade two or three LXs when the upgrade is available. I would be
happiest if I could do this through Thaddeus to avoid the shipping expense
and shipping time.

Hal, are you listening?

Thanks again,

Paul Anderson, Pres, Systems-Consulting here since 1992
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> Daniel,
>
> Great news! The pictures look wonderful!  Time to sell the
iPAQ....

I'm not that excited about the picture.  It's bright but there
doesn't seem to be much contrast.  Daniel, is that just the picture
or is that how it is?

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On 28 Dec 2002 at 21:09, Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> Sat, 28.12.02 5:48 PM +0200
>
> Hi friends,
>
> the official Backlight Homepage is now online:
> http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/backlight

Daniel - I just looked over your backlight pages and want to congratulate you.
Not only have you figured out how to the solve a number of problems, but the
information is clear and complete, down to what looks like the smallest detail.
I don't know how you did all this while also working on your University degree
and dealing with the health problem you had some months ago.  Perhaps you
never sleep :-)

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Carlos wrote...
CL> 2) The case is I'd just bought a 5 year old used HP 200LX (1 Mb*) (in
CL> spanish) along w/ a EXP ThinFax 1414LXM PCMCIA Fax/modem + flash memory card
CL> combined of 4 Mb (Used).

CL> Is there a way to change the spanish internals, in a way that let me
CL> interact with it in english (versions of DOS, Lotus and the other apps) ?
CL> (Does the ROM comes programmed in different languages ?)

No.  The ROMs only had room for one language, so we had to do separate
builds for each language.  French was the toughest to shoe-horn in,
as it's the most "verbose" (in terms of characters to say the same
thing) of the languages we did.

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Daniel wrote...
DH> Do you know by any chance if someone of the hardware development
DH> crew is still available?

A couple of them WERE still around, but whether they'd be willing
to talk or not....I don't know.  One was working in the Corvallis
laptop group the last I knew (about 4-5 years ago), but that's now
gone (to Compaq in Texas) so where he ended up, I don't know.  The
other fellow left HP, then went back, and whether he's working there
still or not, I don't know.  I've lost contact with most of the folks
there, other than a few with whom I worked closely AND was good
friends with.  If I come in contact with them, I'll bring up the
subject and see what they say.

DH> if it's possible to extract the ROM software in some way to use
DH> it on a desktop PC or on a 1000CX.

I doubt THAT'S feasible, without writing an emulator for the
100/200LX hardware (Hornet chip, display, etc).  However, there
IS the Connectivity Pack which had "PC versions" of the various
apps built into the Palmtop (the PIMs, not 1-2-3).  So, something
might be done with those.

DH> I also remember that some people were eager to know the exact
DH> differences between EXEs and EXMs...

Very little really, other than the headers that they were linked
with, and the functions they called to do things.  EXMs are
actually fairly well documented, I believe, in some of the
publicly released documentation.  Isn't that stuff on a server
somewhere?

DH> I hope you'll stay some time and maybe we can convince
DH> (influenc<g>) you to use the 200LX more often again.

:-) I'll try to stick around, although I don't know how much time
I'll be able to spend contributing.  I do have to earn a living... :-)
And unlike when you work for a large corporation, if I don't work,
I don't get paid. :-)))

Everett

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Daniel wrote...
DH> You mention "Hopper" all the time, wasn't the name of the chip
DH> "Hornet"? Or do you speak about something different?

Yes, it was long ago, and a galaxy a ways distant from here...

Hopper was in the 95LX, Hornet in the 100/200.  Hopper probably
sticks in my mind more, because the 95 project was the first of
them, and was a BIG change in my job at HP, so made a bigger
emotional impact in my memory (even though the 100/200 was a far
better machine and I had more input and participation in that
project...just goes to show how much of a part stress and emotions
plays in the functioning of our memory. :-)

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Russel wrote...
RB> Everett Kaser wrote:
>> ... but we hated the battery life that we
>> had in the 100/200 and wished it could have been much longer.

RB> I replace 2 cheap AAs (@55 cents) about every 5-7 weeks; I don't
RB> see how better battery life would noticeably improve my LX use.

RB> Perhaps you set the 'bar' too high?

:-) Well, you have to remember that this grew out of the calculator
group, where battery life was usually measured in MONTHS (if not
YEARS), not in WEEKS!

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tried to put win 98 on a 32meg ram pc and is extreamly slow say's it has only 4 meg's of free ram and use's the hd all the time
any one know the ram use of win 98 vs win 95
thx
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> tried to put win 98 on a 32meg ram pc and is extreamly slow say's
it has only 4 meg's of free ram and use's the hd all the time
> any one know the ram use of win 98 vs win 95

You'll do better with Win95 but I can't give you numbers.

I bought a Compaq Aero (the little notebook, not the PDA) at Ebay
that came with Win95 installed.  It only had 8 or 12 meg.  I forget
which.  It had an old version of Office installed.  Office 95 I
think but I'm not sure.  It wasn't fast by any means but it ran ok.
It was entirely usable with a fairly large document in Word.  I
don't remember if I used any of the other Office apps and if I did
it probably wasn't at the same time.  But there wasn't much
swapping.

That was on a 25 mhz 486sx with a 170 meg HD.  It just has Dos now,
and it's a lightning fast computer.  I can load Word Perfect faster
on it than I can load Word on my 450 mhz P3 desktop.

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Everett Kaser wrote:
> However, there
> IS the Connectivity Pack which had "PC versions" of the various
> apps built into the Palmtop (the PIMs, not 1-2-3).

Quite, but only for the 200 stuff. I also like the special 700 apps and
the terminal program. Ah well, I'll just use the 700 itself.

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scotty wrote:
> tried to put win 98 on a 32meg ram pc

Not that we are remotely on topic, except to say that the connectivity
pack runs very nicely in that environment, but for what it is worth I
use a 48 MB 133 MHz laptop as my main working machine (i.e. right now
with netscape 4.7) and my daughter has the same Compaq 4120 with 32 MB
and 120 MHz. I'd say they both run 98SE very satisfactorily and the
difference to the 128 MB games console is rather less than suggested by
650 MHz Pentium 3 against 120 MHz Pentium 1.

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Hi Gijs

1 day ago Gijs Leegwater wrote:

> With the screen ribbon cable, i think you mean the grey cable which leads to
> the batterries? It leads to the negative pole of the battery, so i think
> it's the ground connection. But is there also a contact on the brown cable
> which is responsable for the power of the whole screen? Which one could that
> be?


No, I mean the orange flat cable which connects to the motherboard.

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Hi,

is there a way to put a backlight in a (my) 700LX?
Why not?

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Thanks Everett for your feedback. I was afraid no one here would follow n=
or
answer me, any inquiry.

I understand there was no room. I had to ask. I hoped there would be a wa=
y
to change it (the single language from ROM), because I'm used to english
commands in every day work and the spanish command names used seems so
twisted.

Regards, Carlos


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> Carlos wrote...
> CL> 2) The case is I'd just bought a 5 year old used HP 200LX (1 Mb*) (=
in
> CL> spanish) along w/ a EXP ThinFax 1414LXM PCMCIA Fax/modem + flash
memory card
> CL> combined of 4 Mb (Used).
>
> CL> Is there a way to change the spanish internals, in a way that let m=
e
> CL> interact with it in english (versions of DOS, Lotus and the other
apps) ?
> CL> (Does the ROM comes programmed in different languages ?)
>
> No.  The ROMs only had room for one language, so we had to do separate
> builds for each language.  French was the toughest to shoe-horn in,
> as it's the most "verbose" (in terms of characters to say the same
> thing) of the languages we did.
>
> Everett
>
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> Everett Kaser Software  Logic & Puzzle Games for PCs
> PO Box 403
> Albany OR 97321-0117    Phone: 541-928-5259 8am-8pm PACIFIC TIME
> USA                     http://www.kaser.com
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Is there any other member of this community from Argentina ?=20



Carlos (willing to contact 200LX users)
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Does it make any sense to have a poll, voting for apps used among this
community ?
(perhaps even at the SUPER repository)

Carlos

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On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:04:19 -0300, Carlos Lacroze wrote:

>This situation (from previous message) left me some inquiries.

>Index:
>3. A newbie case (mine): How to improve the performance of a 200LX (1 Mb)
>model ? (by Hardware)

I enjoy working with my 200LX not because it is fast, but because I find it
useful.  If I wanted something fast or colorful, I would have purchased one
of the more recent additions to any of the lines of PDAs which have come out.
One of my other hobbies is helping to maintain a fleet of 14 Stanley Steam
Automobiles - keeping them in running condition and taking them on tours.  In
1906 a Stanley Steam Car with a stock 30 horse power engine set the land speed
record at Ormond Beach, FL at 127.66 Miles per Hour.  We don't take these
vehicles much over 45 Miles per Hour - not because they won't go any faster,
but because many only have 2 wheel mechanical brakes and don't stop very well.
We have learned their limitations and try to work within them.  We don't try
to "improve" them because those are the cars we see broken down on every tour.
The same applies to my 200LX - when I want to manipulate multi megabyte image files, I
use a more recent machine (ThinkPad A31p).  When I want portability, quick
email connection, note taking or data collection, I use the 200LX.  I do have
a couple of 200LXs which have been upgraded to 32 Megs with double speed which
I have used to transfer pictures between digital cameras and other storage
devices.  I got the double speed done because it radically improves the graphing
speed without affecting reliability and the extra storage in the unit is
handy when transferring files to and from my laptop.  Upgrades were done by:

http://www.palmtoppaper.com/store/asp/product.asp?product=72

That is NOT to say I don't try to get the most I can out of the 200LX - but I
do that by using applications written for the unit specifically or MS-DOS.

My favorite applications are:
an MS-DOS version of vi for editing and note taking
WWW/LX, HV and POST for email and internet access
aw-srad which is a program which works with Aware Electronic's Radiation Monitors
aw-graph which displays the collected data from the monitors
HB232 which controls my Realistic PRO-2006 radio scanner
Vern Buerg's LIST program for viewing files

I use only SanDisk PCMCIA cards for 'portable' storage as I have had NO trouble
with them so far.




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Carlos,

I'm from Argentina.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Everett Kaser <everett@KASER.COM>
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 9:43 PM

<snipped>

> :-) Well, you have to remember that this grew out of the
calculator
> group, where battery life was usually measured in MONTHS (if
not
> YEARS), not in WEEKS!

cudn't help it ;-) .. isn't a computer the same thing as a
calculator .. one computes, the other computes too .. errr ..
calculates too !

everett IS right .. his people were disgusted with low battery
life ! in calculators .. well .. fill it .. forget it .. once
battery is put in .. its forgotton .. sometimes it leaks .. and
THEN it is noticed ! .. yet .. the lx200 did do a marvellous job
.. even today i feel that the b&w lcd .. without the backlighting
.. is the major reason for the low battery consumption .. i see
laptops, pda's, palm pilots in color and the Looowwww battery
life just for the display being in color (ugh) .. so a b&w lcd
display is ok ..

i chose the hplx 320 b&w touchscreen with win-ce 2.00 (has whilte
backlit screen tho .. with a separate switch .. thank god) .. its
much better than the similar lx620 color .. whose battery doesn't
last long .. and is not pencil type either (ugh ! ugh !!)

the lx320 works off pencil batteries too .. like the lx200 .. and
lasts almost as long .. only drawback is its os .. win-ce .. but
now that i have tried to load dos 5 and above on lx200 .. and
therefore know .. the dos3.xx in the lx200 can't be changed
either .. so the lx320 doesn't feel so bad after all ..

a friend of mine in tokyo has a powerful small device .. complete
pc .. solar cell based .. runs linux .. no battery issues .. THAT
would be the way to go

..pk

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Thank you very much Tom, for your thorough good points and inside tips.

As yourself, I'm not pretending to have a superlaptop inside a beautiful
design 200LX, but to improve my everyday experience with technical DOS ap=
ps.
As I mentioned before, while I'm still trying to find very old applicatio=
ns
(many which I now discover they still aren't freeware like Derive 4.13, M=
S
Project 4 f/DOS, Harvard Project Manager 3.02, Symphony 3.0, Stacker 4.0,
Super Software Carousel, Mathcad for DOS, AutoCAD 10 for DOS,...), I'll
manage with the ones I can get. The point is beyond the many applications
already built-in, I would like to have the chance to try many more at the
same time. I've noticed a delay in some commands. I would like to know an=
d
that was my earlier issue among those who already experienced that boost =
in
their devices, which could be a road to follow. I'd just purchased the
device and I'm planning to upgrade it to improve that experience, but I'm
not willing to view nor edit pics. My first and only model, is a 200LX wi=
th
only 1 Mb RAM plus a 14.4 ThinFaxModemCard w/ 4 Mb RAM, where I would gla=
dly
like to enjoy the Norton Commander eg, I'm already runnning out of space =
and
the graphing capabilities seem a bit slow even by XT stds... When I said
"improve"; I meant the much recommended services from Thaddeus Computing
Team. I'm sure I should have to wait to try the new backlighting experien=
ce.

I'll try the applications you suggested me and will look for SanDisk card=
s
for storage (Hal Goldstein from TC said the same), although I'm still
wondering which might be a better election (eg a 128 Mb CompactFlash in a=
 PC
Card Adapter or just directly a 128Mb Dual Voltage ATA PC Card Flash).

Beyond that and the fact that I've already spent US 70 for that classic
model which I was so fond of since a long time ago, I'm not willing to sp=
end
other US 500 for the latest Tungsten. I'd like its actual specs but I
definetely prefer the 200LX flexbility. At this time, the argentinean
economy is going through a rough time, to say the least.

Regards,
Carlos

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas E. Cannard" <cannard@BELLATLANTIC.NET>
> To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Soft and Hard Inquiries for the 200LX (1Mb)

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I forgot to mention a couple of other MS-DOS file sites:

http://www.reference.com/Dir/Computers/Software/Shareware/DOS/

http://www.filelibrary.com/Contents/DOS/16/index.html



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I'm looking for the opinion of experienced users or similar cases like mi=
ne.
I want to improve my recently acquired 5 year old used HP 200LX (1 Mb*) (=
in
spanish)


I found the prices list for the refurbished new or used products from
Thaddeus here http://www.palmtoppaper.com/store/asp/product.asp?product=3D=
1
but having already the device*, how much memory, may I or should I increa=
se,
when upgrading (and at what cost)?


Regarding the storage cards, and according to his article
http://www.palmtoppaper.com/ptphtml/49/pt490019.htm from HPLX-L Connectio=
n,
Hal Goldstein says, ... "The CF flash disk is the most efficient in terms=
 of
power consumption, followed by the ATA Flash Card"

Should I get for extra storage power a 128 Mb CompactFlash in a PC Card
Adapter or just a 128Mb Dual Voltage ATA PC Card Flash Memory will do the
trick ? (always SanDisk)

eg I've found a SanDisk CompactFlash 64MB for $19.99 at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D18868&item=3D194=
8122085
plus a CompactFlash Type II PC Card Adapter (US ?), or
these "Brand New Sandisk 48mb PCMCIA TypeII PC Card ATA Flashdisk" for
nearly 20 bucks,
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D3710&item=3D2085=
161961
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D3710&item=3D2084=
235305
or others like this brand new 128mb 25X Compact Flash Card made by
Dane-Elec, in retail packaging, with a 100% compatibility guarantee and a
lifetime warranty at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D18868&item=3D194=
6868742
Check
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D11171&item=3D208=
4477478
SanDisk PCMCIA ATA FlashDisk USB Adapter NEW! at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D11171&item=3D208=
4492518
(15 US)

Which are the pros and cons in each case ? (I understand the 200LX can't
handle more than 220 Mb. Is that true, by the way ?)
(and in that case, how much would it cost me, for a friend of mine being =
in
Atlanta, Georgia)

Which one is the right Card Adapter?
To enable support for Sony Memory Stick, Microdrive, Compactflash Type I,
CompactFlash Type II, Multimedia MMC, Secured Digital SD, Smartmedia by
adding the following PCMCIA/PC Card Adapter:
By adding a CompactFlash to PCMCIA adapter, Enable supports of CompactFla=
sh
Type I memory
By adding a 4 in 1 PCMCIA adapter, Enable supports of Memory Stick,
SmartMedia, MMC and SD
By adding a SONY Memory Stick to PCMCIA adapter (MSAC-PC1), Enable suppor=
ts
of SONY memory stick & magic gate memory stick
By adding a Microdrive to PCMCIA adapter, enable supports of Microdrive,
Compactflash Type I & CompaactFlash Type II memory
By adding a MMC/SD Memory to PCMCIA adapter, enable supports of Multimedi=
a
memory & Secure Digital memory
By adding a Sony Memory Stick to CompactFlash adapter, enable supports of
SONY memory stick & magic gate memory stick
By adding a SmartMedia to PCMCIA adapter An extra slot SmartMedia memory,
enable supports of MMC/SD Memory to CompactFlash adapter Multimedia memor=
y &
Secure Digital memory


Glad to know that the people from Thaddeus Computing might be involved wi=
th
this Backlighting new offer (Euros 135 aprox since jan 03) from
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/backlight/ We would avoid shipping and
handling overseas costs... By the wellcome from many posts, it seems pret=
ty
necessary. I should wait to get the money.

Carlos

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Date:         Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:08:32 -0800
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On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, pksharma wrote:

> the lx320 works off pencil batteries too .. like the lx200 .. and
> lasts almost as long ..

Not in my experience.  My 320LX lasts something like 6 hours per charge on
the Times2Tech NiMH batteries, with the backlight turned off.  Nowhere
close to the 200LX.  All in all, I found it to be a totally useless
machine.

> only drawback is its os .. win-ce .. but now that i have tried to load
> dos 5 and above on lx200 .. and therefore know .. the dos3.xx in the
> lx200 can't be changed either .. so the lx320 doesn't feel so bad
> after all ..

Huh??  The 200LX uses DOS 5.0.

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Date:         Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:31:45 +0100
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On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Carlos Lacroze wrote:

> Regarding the storage cards, and according to his article
> http://www.palmtoppaper.com/ptphtml/49/pt490019.htm from HPLX-L Connection,
> Hal Goldstein says, ... "The CF flash disk is the most efficient in terms of
> power consumption, followed by the ATA Flash Card"

Maybe this chart should be reviewed. I'm curious about the power needed to
make a SmartMedia, SD or MMC card work, with the corresponding PCMCIA
adapter.

> eg I've found a SanDisk CompactFlash 64MB for $19.99 at
[...]
> (15 US)

About pricing, check MemoryX, at www.memoryx.net. They can have some
pretty cheap items.

> Which are the pros and cons in each case ? (I understand the 200LX can't
> handle more than 220 Mb. Is that true, by the way ?)

False, as Avi can tell you. ;)

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Date:         Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:51:20 -0800
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On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:34:06 +0100, Axel Berger wrote:

> Everett Kaser wrote:
> > However, there
> > IS the Connectivity Pack which had "PC versions" of the various
> > apps built into the Palmtop (the PIMs, not 1-2-3).
>
> Quite, but only for the 200 stuff. I also like the special 700 apps and
> the terminal program. Ah well, I'll just use the 700 itself.

Ah yes.. Everett do you have something to share about the Hp700Lx? I
had one for a while. (My first Hplx), but I sold it and have now three
Hp200Lx's.

The Hp700Lx was great, but it was big. I prefer the Hp200Lx, but I may
buy a Hp700Lx just for the hell of it soon.

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Date:         Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:10:05 +0100
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Hi,

I've already tried to ours to repair my lx... and then i suddenly thought=
:
hey gijs, what are you doing, you have a multimeter, go measure some thin=
gs!

So i measured the ohm values between the contacts on sides of the orange
ribbon cable, and i discovered that the contact, that is the contact left=
 to
the most right contact on the motherboard side wasn't connected to the
contact under the highest contact of the display contacts. I think it sho=
uld
be connected because there is an orange line between those contacts. So,
maybe i can put a wire between those contacts...

But... when i look at the screen, am I right when i see that only six
contacts are used (including the one that doesnt work)?? That would mean =
i
can use another orange line on the cable, that would be an easy solution =
(i
think). So could someone please answer this question:

---=BFDoes the screen only uses 6 of the 15 contacts that are on the oran=
ge
ribbon cable?---

I would be very happy if someone can answer this...

Bye,

Gijs


> Hi,
>
> My display has a problem and i think the problem is the brown LCD cable.
> Does someone has one of these lying around? I live in Amsterdam (maybe
there
> is someone Dutch having one?). I hope someone can help me...
>
> Bye,
>
> Gijs
>

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At 12/30/02-01:31 AM, Erwann ABALEA <erwann@ABALEA.COM> wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Carlos Lacroze wrote:
> > eg I've found a SanDisk CompactFlash 64MB for $19.99 at
>[...]
> > (15 US)
>
>About pricing, check MemoryX, at www.memoryx.net. They can have some
>pretty cheap items.

Erwann, this is a GREAT link. They really have LOTS of goodies.

> > Which are the pros and cons in each case ? (I understand the 200LX can't
> > handle more than 220 Mb. Is that true, by the way ?)
>
>False, as Avi can tell you. ;)

indeed <g>. It is not so cut and dry. I'd say that in some cases depending
on the on-board engine, you can handle as much as 512MB and more, and you
may or may not require a special driver for it. I have used a 512MB card
for a loooong time without any drivers in a ATA card format. Prior to that
I used a Sundisk 440mb ATA which required a special card driver.

In fact, on an experimental basis only, and with not such good results, I
used IBM's 1GB (one gigabyte) compact flash type II with a special driver
created by Mack of Times2Tech. It worked, but not useful since it had to
rewrite over and over and there was no way to use it on batteries alone.

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Date:         Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:48:30 +0100
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Hello list,
does there exist some tool for SMS sending [via GSM phone]? I am looking
for software where I can type SMS on my LX and then send it via GSM phone.
I have heard this is possible via WWW/LX, is there another way?

Thanks

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Lacroze" <lacro37@YAHOO.COM.AR>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: Fw: Re: Soft and Hard Inquiries for the 200LX (1Mb)


> I would like to know and that was my earlier issue among
> those who already experienced that boost in their devices,
> which could be a road to follow.

I can tell you the road I followed.  I started trying things to see
what worked to my satisfaction.

It was a little easier then because I had access at work to nearly
every kind of software.  And we'd been heavilly invested in Dos
software not long before.  So I could try without buying and then
buy what I used.  And often I didn't have to buy because the
company had gone to Windows and a lot of the Dos software was
discarded and I could keep it, license and all.

Today it's a little different.  Harder in some ways since they're
not still selling a lot of the software.  But a most of it is
available on the web, not always legally, but not usually hard to
find, either.  So you can try things before you buy them and see
what works for you.  As long as you buy what you use I see nothing
wrong.

But I don't think you'll know what the best apps are for you till
you go through the process.  If you use a consensus to tell you
what to use, you'll find yourself with a less useful machine.

Trust me, I know how the people in this group are.  Some even use
Emacs.  Can you believe it?  It's true.  :)

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On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Avi Meshar wrote:

> At 12/30/02-01:31 AM, Erwann ABALEA <erwann@ABALEA.COM> wrote:
> >About pricing, check MemoryX, at www.memoryx.net. They can have some
> >pretty cheap items.
>
> Erwann, this is a GREAT link. They really have LOTS of goodies.

And they still sell old goodies too. I bought some months ago a memory
card for my HP LaserJet 5L printer. I found this reseller, and I still
can't find lower prices for some items (and some of those items are CF
cards ;).

[...]
> indeed <g>. It is not so cut and dry. I'd say that in some cases depending
> on the on-board engine, you can handle as much as 512MB and more, and you
> may or may not require a special driver for it. I have used a 512MB card
> for a loooong time without any drivers in a ATA card format. Prior to that
> I used a Sundisk 440mb ATA which required a special card driver.

BTW, has anobody tested other memory support such as SD, MMC, MemoryStick,
or others? I don't recall having read anybody on this subject on the list.
I would be nice to have some reports about power, speed, compatibility,
... of those nice toys.

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<<Ah yes.. Everett do you have something to share about the Hp700Lx? I
had one for a while. (My first Hplx), but I sold it and have now three
Hp200Lx's.>>

Speaking for Everett, I believe the 700LX was the 200LX/GSM hybrid
developed in Singapore after Everett's time.  Chris Ko (remember him,
Everett) was the only Singapore engineer that spent any time at all in
Corvallis. He and Khaw Keng Jo (the Singapore GM) saw the opportunity
with the 700LX and had it manufactured with very little R&D. =20

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Tks Tom. I didn't know them before. They seem pretty useful already.=20

Regards,=20

Carlos=20
BsAs, Argentina=20

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From: "Thomas E. Cannard" <cannard@BELLATLANTIC.NET>
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Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 1:42 AM
Subject: MS-DOS file sites


> I forgot to mention a couple of other MS-DOS file sites:
>=20
> http://www.reference.com/Dir/Computers/Software/Shareware/DOS/
>=20
> http://www.filelibrary.com/Contents/DOS/16/index.html
>=20
> Tom Cannard  <cannard@bellatlantic.net>
> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~cannard
> (610) 583-7969 (work)
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Hi!
I use a 128 MB CompactFlash card with PCMCIA CompactFlash Adapter and have
not noticed
no decrease in performance on battery use time.

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Mon, 30.12.02 11:33 AM +0200

Hi friends,

PLEASE do not yet order backlights!

Stefan K=E4chele said that he has received some orders already, but he is
not prepared yet to accept orders!

I will notify you via the list once preorders can be placed, I expect
that to be the case in week 1 or 2 of 2003.=20

Stefan has so much to do with the backlight right now, so any orders
he has to deal with will only slow down the process.

daniel

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Hi Carlos

06h31m ago Carlos Lacroze wrote:

> I found the prices list for the refurbished new or used products from
> Thaddeus here http://www.palmtoppaper.com/store/asp/product.asp?product=1
> but having already the device*, how much memory, may I or should I increase,
> when upgrading (and at what cost)?

The easiest and "cheapest" (for the improvement) upgrade is the 4MB
module, which upgrades to 5 or 6 MB. It is also easiest to implant.
Please see http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/200lx for more info.

> Should I get for extra storage power a 128 Mb CompactFlash in a PC Card
> Adapter or just a 128Mb Dual Voltage ATA PC Card Flash Memory will do the
> trick ? (always SanDisk)

Both are fine, CF is probably less power-hungry, and maybe you will
have more flexibility with a CF card, because it is also usable in
cameras, MP3 players and other devices, ATA cards are in most cases not
usable in those devices.

> eg I've found a SanDisk CompactFlash 64MB for $19.99 at

that's good, I think.

> or others like this brand new 128mb 25X Compact Flash Card made by
> Dane-Elec, in retail packaging, with a 100% compatibility guarantee and a
> lifetime warranty at

I don't know Dana-Elec, and that 25X sounds like a high-speed card,
those are made using the new NAND tachnology, and it is not proven yet
that NAND flash always works in the 200LX without any problem.
NAND basically is a cheaper manufacturing technique and it is faster,
but the palmtop cannot use the fill speed of normal CF cards either, so
that faster stuff doesn't make any sense when using it only with the
palmtop.

> Which are the pros and cons in each case ? (I understand the 200LX can't
> handle more than 220 Mb. Is that true, by the way ?)

That's not true.
Please see http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/200lx again, the storage
section. There are many cards larger than 220MB which can be used, some
need that ACECARD driver.

> To enable support for Sony Memory Stick, Microdrive, Compactflash Type I,
> CompactFlash Type II, Multimedia MMC, Secured Digital SD, Smartmedia by
> adding the following PCMCIA/PC Card Adapter:

Microdrives caanot be used in the LX, because they need too much power.
Some people tried to read from Microdrives and partially succeeded, but
writing to them definitely doesn't work.

> By adding a 4 in 1 PCMCIA adapter, Enable supports of Memory Stick,
> SmartMedia, MMC and SD

I have heard that SD cards cause problems.
In my list of working setups there is a Memory Stick and MMC cards,
too. Don't know if such a 4 in 1 adapter will work.

> By adding a Microdrive to PCMCIA adapter, enable supports of Microdrive,
> Compactflash Type I & CompaactFlash Type II memory

CF yes, but NOT Microdrove.

> Glad to know that the people from Thaddeus Computing might be involved with
> this Backlighting new offer (Euros 135 aprox since jan 03) from
> http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/backlight/ We would avoid shipping and
> handling overseas costs... By the wellcome from many posts, it seems pretty
> necessary. I should wait to get the money.

Well, it is not necessary. But it is a nice enhancement. :-)

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Hi Pradeep

19h07m ago pksharma wrote:

> a friend of mine in tokyo has a powerful small device .. complete
> pc .. solar cell based .. runs linux .. no battery issues .. THAT
> would be the way to go

Oh yes, seems so!
What a device is this? Is it publicly available? Specs?

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Hi Barry

16h47m ago Barry wrote:

> I'm not that excited about the picture.  It's bright but there
> doesn't seem to be much contrast.  Daniel, is that just the picture
> or is that how it is?

Thanks that you mention that, Barry,
Of course, the contrast is indeed reduced. This is simply because the
original reflective layer of the screen is removed and replaced by the
electroluminescence foil, which is not as reflective as the original
foil.

This will lower the light threshold under which the palmtop is
usable without backlight.
But you will have backlight, so you can simply switch it on when
surrounding light is not sufficient, and then you can read the screen
again.

The picture BTW (the animated GIF on the backlight homepage) does not
say very much about the real contrast. iT is very difficult to take a
picture which represents the real light / color / contrast conditions
of an LCD screen.
Stefan Kaechele and I optimized the contrast in both situations
(backlight off and backlight on) by choosing an EL foil which is as
white as possible when not powered, but also not too dark of too bright
when powered. On the picture you see my first prototype, which is very
bright when switched on, and thus reduces the contrast again, because
the light is so bright that it makes the black pixels a bit
transparent. The backlight which we will offer is a bit darker and thus
has a better contrast when switched on.
And please consider the relatively low costs of this upgrade, it's
cheaper than the one planed by Thaddeus some years ago, not as
professional either, but it works very well.

Well, after all, it is a matter of opinion. I suggest, those people who
are sceptical about contrast wait some more months and listen ot the
opinions of the others, I am totally biased, so I cannot comment
objectively. I have tried out so many different combinations of foils,
power, inverter chips etc., that I know this is the best we could find,
but I also know that some people will complain about contrast after the
upgrade.
In bright sunlight for example, the upgraded screen is perfectly
readable. In very good room light, too. In "normal" room light, if
light comes not from behind you, it may be necessary to switch the
backlight on. Of course I cannot define "normal" very well. Maybe I can
say: "normal" means when you still can read books and work without
switching on additional light, but when there is no direct light source
(diffused light through a window)...

My personal opinion is, that the backlight upgrade makes the palmtop
more usable in most situations, and less usable in _some_ situations.
It heavily depends on your usage pattern.
For example, in my case it's perfect: I rechearge my 1800mAh batteries
each night, so I have always power to use the palmtop often with the
backlight switched on. And I use the palmtop not more than abt. 3-4h a day.
People who want to save power and use the palmtop all day long will
have problems with the backlight, if they use the palmtop in rooms with
insufficient light or whatever, so they have to use the backlight all
the time.

BTW: Battery life will be approximately half as long with backlight
switched on as with backlight switched off on a stock 1MB 200LX machine.

daniel

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Hi Oliver

14h54m ago Oliver W. Leibenguth wrote:

> is there a way to put a backlight in a (my) 700LX?
> Why not?

Not at the moment.
Does anyone know if the 700LX screen module is identical to the
100/200LX screen?
If it is, you can buy the backlight kit and install it by yourself, if
the screen is identical, this should work. Although I don't have any idea
if the software control would work on the 700LX.
Maybe the GPIO26 line (CPU pin 48 on the 100/200LX) is used for another
purpose on the 700LX, this is likely, because the 700LX has some
additional I/O functions. But I don't know.

Upgrading service will probably never be available for the 700LX, since
the technicians would have to learn how to upgrade a 700LX. Well, if
anyone is willing to spend his 700LX for testing, I can ask the
technicians if they want to try it. But I cannot guarantee that the
700LX will survive that.

When I once tried to take apart my 700LX, I had problems getting to the
screen, so I left it untouched. ;-) I won't try it once more.

daniel

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Hi Carlos

2 days 06h23m ago Carlos Lacroze wrote:

> For example, which Word Processor (between the internal by default, PalEdit
> 3.1, WordPerfect 5.1, MS Word 5.5, Professional Write, etc.) is the most
> used and why ?

Certainly not the most used word processor, but if you're interested,
there is a version of LaTeX for the LX, available at
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/lxtex

> Which applications are the most chosen in the 200LX
> environment ? And in the other category areas such as Financial, DOS
> Utilities, Connectivity (PC, Outlook transfers, etc) and Communications,
> Battery checker, Scientific Calculators, Dictionaries, Science (Chemistry),
> CAD, Linear Programming, Statistics, Geography Maps, Databases, File
> Viewers, ... ? explainning the criteria like overall performance, ease of
> use and interface, size, ...

I guess this question is a bit too general, so it is difficult to
answer. ;-)
I use often: Post/LX, Lotus 1-2-3, LXTeX, LXTEL, PE, the database app.,
Volkov Commander. Turbo C 2.0, Software Carousel, MaxDOS, Dicty
Dictionary German<->English, MindMap/LX, and of course daily utilities
like LXPRO, LXPIC, PKZIP, Find/LX...
I use occasionally: Palmtop Circuit, Derive, GnuPlot, Word 6.0, WINDI
7-language Dictionary, and many, many more. :-)

> 2) The case is I'd just bought a 5 year old used HP 200LX (1 Mb*) (in
> spanish) along w/ a EXP ThinFax 1414LXM PCMCIA Fax/modem + flash memory card
> combined of 4 Mb (Used).
>
> Is there a way to change the spanish internals, in a way that let me
> interact with it in english (versions of DOS, Lotus and the other apps) ?
> (Does the ROM comes programmed in different languages ?)

No, it's 1-language only. You would have to change the motherboard,
which is relatively simple, if you have the chance to buy an English
motherboard. But the keyboard may not fit then, and you would need
key-remapping.

> 3) I would like to improve the machine. Would some power user here suggest
> me to,

Depends on your needs.
You probably don't need memory upgrade if you have large flash cards
and don't need to use the PCMCIA port for I/O devices. Although it's
nice to have more RAM anyway, because oyu can then use it as EMS for
software carousel swap space, for example, which makes things faster.

Double speed upgrade is useful in most cases, because it simply doubles
the speed the palmtop operates, you would need a driver for the DS
upgrade, but once you are familiar with the handling of that driver in
case of RAM drive loss, you will never have any problem with the DS
upgrade.

Info about upgrades are on http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/200lx

> *How much can I increase speed and RAM and how much would it cost me ? or

see URL above. Costs: Please ask hal (at) thaddeus.com
Speed can only be doubled.
Possible RAM upgrades: 4MB, 8MB, 32MB, 64MB

> and what is known about the Backlighting new offer (jan 03) ???
> http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/backlight/

Nothing more than you know if you read the messages on this list and
the page you referred to. ;-)
I will keep you always up-to-date regarding backlight.

daniel

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Mon, 30.12.02 1:41 PM +0200

Hi friends,

have I missed something, or is the email service of www.palmtop.com
now free?

Looking at their site, I don't see any reference to costs or
subscriptions, even "password: whatever you like" and so on.

And straight-forward instructions how to set up CC:Mail.

daniel

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At 12/30/02-11:32 AM, Daniel Hertrich <daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE> wrote:
>Microdrives caanot be used in the LX, because they need too much power.
>Some people tried to read from Microdrives and partially succeeded, but
>writing to them definitely doesn't work.

I think it is more accurately said like so:

You can read and write to the IBM Microdrives. They require more power than
the palmtop can easily provide, hence they get VERY hot. The reliability of
the operations is terrible.

Reading is about 99% reliable - i.e. the palmtop will re-read every now and
then because it discovered errors during the read. This slows down the
process.

Writing is much worse! Anecdotally - i.e. not measured, I'd say it is maybe
50-70% reliable. That means many times the write operation will take
extraordinarily long time because the palmtop is writing, finds errors,
re-writing, finds errors, re-writing and so on. Writing is thus a VERY VERY
slow operation. Once written the data is good, but it takes waaaaay to long
to complete the write.

So adding the insufficient power, less than best read and less than lousy
write reliability, I think it is safe to declare the IBM Microsrive WITH
the palmtop as a TERRIBLE combination, and quite useless. The Microdrive in
my notebook and desktop is a FANTASTIC device! The palmtop with other cards
is a FANTASTIC combination.

So I guess I agree with the spirit of what you say "it doesn't work",
although formally it sort of kinda maybe perhaps does <VBG>...

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hello,

for my DOS based f-prot AV software I am trying to make a batch file to
download the virus definition updates.
I use wget for this because there is a command that only downloads
newer files. The problem I have is that I did not find out how I can
tell wget a list of files to check.
I can do it with two command lines, but with every new wget line the
whole login process starts from the beginning and this takes most of
the online time.

For those who are interested, my batch file looks like this in the
moment:

rem update.bat
@echo off
d:
cd \f-prot

rasdial.exe DUN_NAME login_name password

wget -N ftp://ftp.f-prot.com/pub/*def*.zip
wget -N ftp://ftp.f-prot.com/pub/dos/fp-312c.zip

rasdial.exe /DISCONNECT

unzip -o macrdef2.zip
unzip -o fp-def.zip
unzip -o fp-312c.zip

rem eof:

maybe one of the experts here can give me a hint...

cheers,
Werner

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On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Dr. Werner Furlan wrote:

> for my DOS based f-prot AV software I am trying to make a batch file to
> download the virus definition updates.
> I use wget for this because there is a command that only downloads
> newer files. The problem I have is that I did not find out how I can
> tell wget a list of files to check.
> I can do it with two command lines, but with every new wget line the
> whole login process starts from the beginning and this takes most of
> the online time.
>
> For those who are interested, my batch file looks like this in the
> moment:
>
> rem update.bat
> @echo off
> d:
> cd \f-prot
>
> rasdial.exe DUN_NAME login_name password
>
> wget -N ftp://ftp.f-prot.com/pub/*def*.zip
> wget -N ftp://ftp.f-prot.com/pub/dos/fp-312c.zip
>

Have you tried the -i or --input-file option to wget? This
allows you to specify a file with a list of urls and would only
require one invocation of wget. I haven't tried it though, so
maybe it would still login for each url.

At least some ftp clients have the "newer" command so it will
only download a file if newer than a local file. You can also do
automated ftp transfers with some clients, getting multiple
files with one connection. On linux this would be simple but I
guess you are using windows, and the ftp included with windows
doesn't seem to support newer.

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Hi

I run a backup batch file every day which backup my 32mb C drive to a
flash card.

I test my notebooks, databases and disc before I back them up. This is
the main batch file:

night.bat:
Echo off
call dbcheck.bat
call chkc.bat
call chka.bat
Call backup.bat
off.com

Dbcheck.bat will pause the backup if there are anything wrong with the
notebooks/databases.

Then I run chkc.bat which do this:

c:
cd \
chkdsk c:
if errorlevel 0 goto end
if errorlevel 1 goto error

:error
echo off
echo Warning! A possibly corrupted drive has been detected!
echo You need to run chkdsk /f on this drive.
Pause
:end

The problem is that this batch file does not work. If Chkdsk find
trouble it does not pause and give the error message.

I have used this backup batch file for a long time and seldom look at
the screen when the Chkdsk program runs, but I saw that I had some lost
allocation the other day.

How can I make it work the way I want?

Can I use any other disc cheack utility in my batch file instead of
Chkdsk which does not return a Errorlevel?

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On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Martin Bergvill wrote:

> c:
> cd \
> chkdsk c:
> if errorlevel 0 goto end
> if errorlevel 1 goto error
>
>
> The problem is that this batch file does not work. If Chkdsk find
> trouble it does not pause and give the error message.


"if errorlevel x" means if the errorlevel is x OR GREATER do
this. Your first check is then 0 or greater, so this one always
gets executed. You need to check for errorlevels in descending
order.

Also, I think the errorlevel returned by chkdsk for an error is
255, not 1.

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Hi Carlos,

>1. 200LX DOS Software overall RANKING by category
areas:

*Word Processors: Microsoft Word 5.5 for DOS. I prefer
it over Word Perfect 5.1 because it runs faster and
the menus are easier to read on the palmtop's screen.
Besides I find WordPerfect's interface a bit dated. I
think that MS Word 5.5 for DOS is as good as WORD 2000
but is 100 times smaller(except if you need fancy
graphics, etc.). Also it is free. It was available
freely from Microsoft. If you can't find it e-mail me
and I will try to find a link for you.

*Spreadsheet: LOTUS 123 Included with the palmtop :)
*Graphics: Lxpic best program to view graphic
files *.jpg, *.gif, etc.
*Utilities: Norton Commander or any similar clone
*E-mail: www/lx suite by DASOFT
*Conectivity: Transfile (free) very easy to use, but
limited to 56000, or Win32 which will reach 115000 but
you must use the palmtop filer program as an
interface.
*Outlook: Curtis Cameron's Outlook to lx program
*Battery Checker: ABC by DASOFT or LXPRO
*File viewers: VIEW will allow you to read many
different types of files.

This is IMHO of course.

>Is there a way to change the spanish internals, in a
>way that let me
>interact with it in english (versions of DOS, Lotus
>and the other apps) ?

I also have a Spanish 200lx and would prefer it to be
in english. :(

>3) I would like to improve the machine. Would some
>power user here suggest

I haven't done any improvements so I cannot give any
hints.

>b) get a Viking Adapter for using CompactFlash in a
>PC Card slot (10 US$)....

I am using a CF card with a Kingston CF adaptor and it
seems to me to be the best combo(and possibly the
cheapest). Sandisk seems to be the best brand, but you
can read more at Daniel's website.
www.daniel-hertrich.de


Cheers,

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I would love to know how to do this as well.  I'm the co-administrator for
an IRC server, and to allow people to alert me to problems without giving
out my PCS number, I implemented a /page command which sends me an SMS
message.  The way I implemented it was to trick up an http "GET" to a
Web-based SMS gateway.  But, I would love to know a more direct way to do
this.

If anyone knows: I'm listening, right along with Dzon.  :o)

Rick

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On 12/30/2002 at 3:48 PM Dzon wrote:

>Hello list,
>does there exist some tool for SMS sending [via GSM phone]? I am looking
>for software where I can type SMS on my LX and then send it via GSM phone.
>I have heard this is possible via WWW/LX, is there another way?

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Hi all,

Decided to take a little "mis-spent" vacation time around the holidays an=
d=20
finally get my LX online w/ Ethernet....

I've made some progress, but can't seem to get WWW/LX to work w/ it.

I've downloaded lots of TCP things and configured most...

In my Autoexec.bat, I've got:

 --- snipping lots ---
 c:\net\lxcic -e
 set lxtcp.cfg=3Dc:\_dat\tcp.cfg
 c:\net\lxen2216 0x66
 ----------
<<I just typed the above, NOT cut and paste, so I may've mis-typed someth=
ing,=20
here, but it works on the LX...>>

Edited the tcp.cfg to let it work w/ "bootp" by adding "my_ip=3Dbootp" an=
d have=20
left most of the rest of the file alone. Did add my smtp and pop info. as=
=20
well as the pop account and password, but didn't know if I needed to do t=
hat=20
there.

I get confirmation of the card from LXCIC (and hear the click) *AND* I ge=
t=20
packet driver confirmation (it "tells" me its interrupt, "0x66 (102)" and=
=20
Ethernet address), AND I was able to use lxping to ping www.hplx.net, so =
I=20
guess I have all the card-stuff set up OK.

I tried to set up a new area in WWW/LX & Post/LX, to use the ethernet car=
d.=20
When I start up "post" w/ my batch file, it says:

"Setup 'Ethernet' does not exist or 'Port' entry is invalid"

I'd made a sub-area in www.cfg called [Ethernet] (actually started by let=
ting=20
the .cfg program make it first. Tried "Peer_IP" of 0.0.0.0 and numbers a =
dif.=20
computer was using w/ success....

I've looked at Daniel's multi-use configuration (on his website at:=20
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/wwwlx/) and gotten lost. I think that's a=20
little more than I need.

On the software side, I believe I have the latest versions of LXCIC (v 2.=
1),=20
and LXEN2216 (v 11.1.3); on the hardware side, it's a 64MB/DS 200LX w/ a=20
"ruggedized" Socket Communications CF Ethernet card (P/N EA0914-337 <I th=
ink>=20
at: http://www.socketcom.com/product/EA0914-337.asp) in a PC-Card Adapter=
=2E

It's all plugged into a 5-port Linksys DSL Router and then a DSL modem (t=
he=20
router seems to handle all the DSL log-in stuff; so the LX should just ne=
ed=20
to "see" the network, get to my mail server and be able to log into my em=
ail=20
account, etc.).

I'm pretty sure that the successful "ping" means I have all of the Ethern=
et=20
stuff set up correctly. It's just WWW/LX (and Post/LX) I'm having trouble=
=20
configuring (I think).

I should be able to do more than ping, or this was a silly experiment!

TIA for any help!!

--tim

PS. I'd like this setup allow me to work easily w/ Post/LX and HV, etc., =
so I=20
can check/send email and browse the web (w/ sites that HV can see). Also,=
=20
eventually, I'd like RoboNews, etc. to work w/ it all.....

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Adding info:

On Monday 30 December 2002 08:48 pm, Tim wrote:
> I'm pretty sure that the successful "ping" means I have all of the Ethe=
rnet
> stuff set up correctly. It's just WWW/LX (and Post/LX) I'm having troub=
le
> configuring (I think).

Well ... still experimenting and noticed that I had "lxtcp" ... Tried it =
and=20
got:

   BOOTP Timeout. No Response from BOOTP server
   Error initializing network or getting configuration file.

SO.... Maybe I don't have all of the TCP issues ironed out.....

:-(

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Hi Tim:

At 12/30/02-07:48 PM, Tim <palmtop@SBCGLOBAL.NET> wrote:
>I tried to set up a new area in WWW/LX & Post/LX, to use the ethernet card.
>When I start up "post" w/ my batch file, it says:

Not sure what the term "area" means in WWW/LX world. There is no such
animal that I know of. WWW.EXE is serving as its own TCP/IP engine, and
perhaps it conflicts with the setup you have for the card.

>"Setup 'Ethernet' does not exist or 'Port' entry is invalid"
>
>I'd made a sub-area in www.cfg called [Ethernet] (actually started by letting
>the .cfg program make it first. Tried "Peer_IP" of 0.0.0.0 and numbers a dif.
>computer was using w/ success....

Same issue, I think. What is "sub-area" in WWW/LX World? I do not know of
anything like it.

>I'm pretty sure that the successful "ping" means I have all of the Ethernet
>stuff set up correctly. It's just WWW/LX (and Post/LX) I'm having trouble
>configuring (I think).

I think you are right, and I think you are asking WWW/LX to do something it
was not designed to do. Post/LX is a "slave" to WWW.EXE anyway, so it is
not the one in your way. WWW.EXE is, but I think only because you are
asking it to work in ways it was not designed to work.

I think someone or two here have had much more experience with this type of
setup than I.

Avi

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Tim writes:
> Adding info:
>
> On Monday 30 December 2002 08:48 pm, Tim wrote:
> > I'm pretty sure that the successful "ping" means I have all of the Ethe=
> rnet
> > stuff set up correctly. It's just WWW/LX (and Post/LX) I'm having troub=
> le
> > configuring (I think).
>
> Well ... still experimenting and noticed that I had "lxtcp" ... Tried it =
> and=20
> got:
>
>    BOOTP Timeout. No Response from BOOTP server
>    Error initializing network or getting configuration file.
>
> SO.... Maybe I don't have all of the TCP issues ironed out.....

I use LXTCP on my home LAN with a Linksys router/gateway, and don't use
BOOTP, but explicitly set all the relevant IPs.  Here's the first part
of my tcp.cfg file:

my_ip=192.168.1.104
netmask=255.255.255.0
gateway=192.168.1.1
nameserver=206.64.96.3
domainslist=heise.nu
hostname="pogo"


Also, I was never able to get Rod Whitby's networking package to go, and
ended up using the drivers by Nori (on SUPER).  My batch file is below.

cd \prgms\net
op2216
pd2212 0x62 5
pdipx
cd \prgms\lxtcp
ntime sundial.columbia.edu

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Tks Erwann,

Well, those many options are my main concern as I never dealt with PC Car=
ds
before.

If I had to choose a Card Adapter for my HP 200LX, I should consider my
budget and needs (and its energy requirements). Then, know the options.
There are many. Let's say I can hold my own with a 128Mb card. There are =
too
many standards for PCMCIA/PC CardAdapters for CF flash disk ? Which one i=
s
the right choice in that case ? Beyond "CompactFlash Type II", one may
choose other standards as well, just in order to have a more flexible
device, that might be useful for other equipment... (eg to enable support
for Compactflash Type I, Sony Memory Stick, Secured Digital SD, Smartmedi=
a
Multimedia MMC adn/or Microdrive.)

"(...) Compact Flash is a fast, postage stamp size RAM that is removable.
Compact flash cards are designed with an internal memory controller.
Internal controllers with transfer rates from 1X to 25X are available. Ty=
pe
1 compact flash is standard and refers to the thickness of the flash
device. There is no Type 2 compact flash.
http://www.memoryxflash.com/compactflash.html Type 2 PCMCIA refers to the
standard thickness of the PCMCIA card. (...)"

eg.
128MB 25x speed Compact Flash Memory Card (p/n CF128) CF128 TS128MFLASHCP
US$ 46.80 @ http://www.memoryxflash.com/cf128.html
6-in-1 USB Card Combo Reader/Writer (p/n TS0MFLRD6) - US$34.90 @
http://www.memoryxflash.com/ts0mflrd6.html
PQI's Travel Flash 2.0 USB 6 in 1 Reader (p/n FRAT-00-US) - US$39.00 @
http://www.memoryxflash.com/frat00us.html
Transcend (Type 1) Compact Flash to (Type 2) PCMCIA Adapter (p/n
TS0MCF2PC) - US$ 8.80 @ http://www.memoryxflash.com/ts0mcf2pc.html
PQI (Type 1) Compact Flash to (Type 2) PCMCIA Adapter (p/n FPC-PC-E) -3Y =
W-
US$7.99 @ http://www.memoryxflash.com/fpcpce.html

Even though memoryx.net is an interesting site, not them nor even SanDisk
has the chance as in Viking*, where you may choose the memory by system
type, *check
http://www.vikinginterworks.com/configurator/detail.asp?ConfigID=3D17627&=
mid=3D6
5934&model=3D200LX
Although memoryx.net has a CompactFlash Compatibility List
http://www.memoryxflash.com/comflascomli.html, the HP 200LX doesn't figur=
e
there.

Anyway, SanDisk seems the road to follow.

Tks for the tip that there is no 220Mb limitation...

Regards, Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Erwann ABALEA" <erwann@ABALEA.COM>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 4:31 AM
Subject: Re: Times2tech services and CompactFlashCards


> On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Carlos Lacroze wrote:
>
> > Regarding the storage cards, and according to his article
> > http://www.palmtoppaper.com/ptphtml/49/pt490019.htm from HPLX-L
Connection,
> > Hal Goldstein says, ... "The CF flash disk is the most efficient in
terms of
> > power consumption, followed by the ATA Flash Card"
>
> Maybe this chart should be reviewed. I'm curious about the power needed=
 to
> make a SmartMedia, SD or MMC card work, with the corresponding PCMCIA
> adapter.
>
> > eg I've found a SanDisk CompactFlash 64MB for $19.99 at
> [...]
> > (15 US)
>
> About pricing, check MemoryX, at www.memoryx.net. They can have some
> pretty cheap items.
>
> > Which are the pros and cons in each case ? (I understand the 200LX ca=
n't
> > handle more than 220 Mb. Is that true, by the way ?)
>
> False, as Avi can tell you. ;)
>
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On Monday 30 December 2002 10:50 pm, Avi Meshar wrote:
> Hi Tim:
<snip>
> Not sure what the term "area" means in WWW/LX world. There is no such
> animal that I know of. WWW.EXE is serving as its own TCP/IP engine, and
> perhaps it conflicts with the setup you have for the card.

I went into wwwsetup and added a "setup" called "Ethernet" (like "IBM Net=
work=20
using SLIP" etc.). I'm sure I did this wrong. I didn't know what to call =
it,=20
I guess it's a "setup" ... in the instructions...

I added a setup, called NewEnet, this time I paid attention to the fact t=
hat=20
it had "NewEnet=3DNewNet" in the [Setup] section of the .cfg file. So, I =
went=20
to the [NewNet] section and added "Ether=3D1" (acc. to the wwwdoc.txt). I=
'm=20
still unsure about this "Peer_IP" thing and originally left it as "0.0.0.=
0"=20
but am now trying the Router's address (which the router's instructions s=
ay=20
to use it for "default gateway" ... and that's what wwwdoc.txt says to pu=
t=20
there).

WAS getting, "Setup 'NewEnet' does not exist or 'Port' entry is invalid!"=
 and=20
re-added "Port=3D1" .... actually assigned it an IP address.

Now, the program starts, and it seems to be trying to connect, but I get=20
"Could not connect to POP host. No response from DNS server." when I try =
to=20
go "online" w/ F5. Getting closer, I think....

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On Monday 30 December 2002 10:57 pm, Theodore Heise wrote:
<snip>
> Also, I was never able to get Rod Whitby's networking package to go, an=
d
> ended up using the drivers by Nori (on SUPER).  My batch file is below.

I looked for these files; did a search on "driver," "TCP" and "Nori" and=20
didn't find them (the SUPER search engine doesn't always like me). What a=
re=20
the files listed under (so I can just scroll to them), and/or is there=20
another search parameter I should use?

Also,=20

> of my tcp.cfg file:
>
> my_ip=3D192.168.1.104
> netmask=3D255.255.255.0
> gateway=3D192.168.1.1
> nameserver=3D206.64.96.3
> domainslist=3Dheise.nu
> hostname=3D"pogo"

Are you using your ISP's nameserver, domainslist and hostname, or can you=
 just=20
pick a hostname? (or, does the hostname need to be your logon?).

You can see I *should* know more about TCP/IP, and Ethernet; but, despite=
=20
reading a lot about it (years ago) the details come out in the actual=20
APPLICATION and implementation of all that knowledge...

Thanks for the help, you've already nudged me closer to success!

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Daniel, thank you very much for your thorough feedback and comments, in b=
oth
reply messages you wrote me back.

I have the picture clear now.

Happy new year to all here,
Regards, Carlos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Hertrich" <daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE>
To: <HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: Times2tech services and CompactFlashCards


> Hi Carlos
>
> 06h31m ago Carlos Lacroze wrote:
>
>
> The easiest and "cheapest" (for the improvement) upgrade is the 4MB
> module, which upgrades to 5 or 6 MB. It is also easiest to implant.
> Please see http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/200lx for more info.
>
> > Should I get for extra storage power a 128 Mb CompactFlash in a PC Ca=
rd
> > Adapter or just a 128Mb Dual Voltage ATA PC Card Flash Memory will do
the
> > trick ? (always SanDisk)
>
> Both are fine, CF is probably less power-hungry, and maybe you will
> have more flexibility with a CF card, because it is also usable in
> cameras, MP3 players and other devices, ATA cards are in most cases not
> usable in those devices.
>
> > eg I've found a SanDisk CompactFlash 64MB for $19.99 at
>
> that's good, I think.
>
> > or others like this brand new 128mb 25X Compact Flash Card made by
> > Dane-Elec, in retail packaging, with a 100% compatibility guarantee a=
nd
a
> > lifetime warranty at
>
> I don't know Dana-Elec, and that 25X sounds like a high-speed card,
> those are made using the new NAND tachnology, and it is not proven yet
> that NAND flash always works in the 200LX without any problem.
> NAND basically is a cheaper manufacturing technique and it is faster,
> but the palmtop cannot use the fill speed of normal CF cards either, so
> that faster stuff doesn't make any sense when using it only with the
> palmtop.
>
> > Which are the pros and cons in each case ? (I understand the 200LX ca=
n't
> > handle more than 220 Mb. Is that true, by the way ?)
>
> That's not true.
> Please see http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/200lx again, the storage
> section. There are many cards larger than 220MB which can be used, some
> need that ACECARD driver.
>
> > To enable support for Sony Memory Stick, Microdrive, Compactflash Typ=
e
I,
> > CompactFlash Type II, Multimedia MMC, Secured Digital SD, Smartmedia =
by
> > adding the following PCMCIA/PC Card Adapter:
>
> Microdrives caanot be used in the LX, because they need too much power.
> Some people tried to read from Microdrives and partially succeeded, but
> writing to them definitely doesn't work.
>
> > By adding a 4 in 1 PCMCIA adapter, Enable supports of Memory Stick,
> > SmartMedia, MMC and SD
>
> I have heard that SD cards cause problems.
> In my list of working setups there is a Memory Stick and MMC cards,
> too. Don't know if such a 4 in 1 adapter will work.
>
> > By adding a Microdrive to PCMCIA adapter, enable supports of Microdri=
ve,
> > Compactflash Type I & CompaactFlash Type II memory
>
> CF yes, but NOT Microdrove.
>
> > Glad to know that the people from Thaddeus Computing might be involve=
d
with
> > this Backlighting new offer (Euros 135 aprox since jan 03) from
> > http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/backlight/ We would avoid shipping and
> > handling overseas costs... By the wellcome from many posts, it seems
pretty
> > necessary. I should wait to get the money.
>
> Well, it is not necessary. But it is a nice enhancement. :-)
>
> daniel
> --
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On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Tim wrote:

> In my Autoexec.bat, I've got:
>
>  --- snipping lots ---
>  c:\net\lxcic -e
>  set lxtcp.cfg=c:\_dat\tcp.cfg
>  c:\net\lxen2216 0x66

I would suggest a few changes.

First, load lxcic resident in autoexec.bat with lxcic/l
otherwise your card won't be enabled unless you reboot.
Second, I would take lxen2216 out of autoexec.bat. Why have it
loaded all the time when you can load and unload it when you go
online.

Here is my batch file to connect by ethernet.

set lxtcp.cfg=c:\net\tcp.cfg
set wattcp=c:\net
c:\net\termin 0x66
c:\net\lxen2216 0x66

Line 2 is needed for non LXTCP wattcp programs which I use.
Line 3 is to terminate lxen2216 if still loaded from a previous
session.

> Edited the tcp.cfg to let it work w/ "bootp" by adding "my_ip=bootp" and have
> left most of the rest of the file alone. Did add my smtp and pop info. as
> well as the pop account and password, but didn't know if I needed to do that
> there.

I'm assuming you have your Linksys running as a DHCP server.
This will work for the LXTCP apps but doesn't do anything for
WWW/LX. For www.exe to use dhcp or bootp, you'll need to run
dhcp.exe, available from dasoft.com, and then run the resulting
ip-up.bat to set your ip address, netmask etc, before your run
Post or HV.

Then in www.cfg you would have sections like

[Setup]
Ethernet=ethernet with bootp or whatever comment you like
dialup=blahblah
etc.

[Ethernet]
Ether=1
Port=1
My_IP=0.0.0.0
Peer_IP=0.0.0.0
DNS_IP=0.0.0.0

> I'm pretty sure that the successful "ping" means I have all of the Ethernet
> stuff set up correctly. It's just WWW/LX (and Post/LX) I'm having trouble
> configuring (I think).

The ping (with lxping) only meant that you had LXTCP at least
partly working. Configuring www.exe takes a little more, and
then Post/LX, HV, Roboweb will work fine.

Hope this helps.
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Hi Dzon

21h45m ago Dzon wrote:

> does there exist some tool for SMS sending [via GSM phone]? I am looking
> for software where I can type SMS on my LX and then send it via GSM phone.
> I have heard this is possible via WWW/LX, is there another way?

It is possible with WWW/LX in combination with Post/LX (if you like an
email-like interface) and POSTPDU. The WWW/LX and Post/LX demo versions
are enough, because the demo version limitations don't affect SMS
sending too much.

All other posible ways don't support IrDA, but only cable, for example
I remember that I hvae seen a DOS tool for SMS sending "SMSSEND" or
"SMSEND" (don't remember the exact name, could be that I have put it on
SUPER).

Nokia phones also have a built-in SMS editor which is available through
AT commands from a normal terminal emulation.

Everything I know about all this can be found on
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/mob_hplx

daniel

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On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Tim wrote:

> On Monday 30 December 2002 10:57 pm, Theodore Heise wrote:
> <snip>
> > Also, I was never able to get Rod Whitby's networking package to go, and
> > ended up using the drivers by Nori (on SUPER).  My batch file is below.
>
> I looked for these files; did a search on "driver," "TCP" and "Nori" and
> didn't find them (the SUPER search engine doesn't always like me). What are
> the files listed under (so I can just scroll to them), and/or is there
> another search parameter I should use?


My bad, they are by Yoichiro.  <blush>  From the "Drivers"
section of SUPER:

> Accton Ethernet Drivers (21 KB) added 12/31/1996 (Driver)
> Version 3.0 by Yoichiro UENO
>
> Point enabler and packet driver for using the Accton PCMCIA
> ethernet card with the HP 100/200LX. Unsupported copyrighted
> freeware.
>
> http://www.palmtop.net/anonftp/pub/lxether3.zip


> > my_ip=192.168.1.104
> > netmask=255.255.255.0
> > gateway=192.168.1.1
> > nameserver=206.64.96.3
> > domainslist=heise.nu
> > hostname="pogo"
>
> Are you using your ISP's nameserver, domainslist and hostname,
> or can you just pick a hostname? (or, does the hostname need
> to be your logon?).

If you're using DHCP (as Mike suggested) you ought to follow his
guidance.  My setup uses all static IPs on my internal LAN, I've
turned off the LinkSys DHCP server.

To answer your questions, yes the DNS is my ISP's and the gateway
and netmask are the defaults for the LAN side of the LinkSys
device.  The hostname is the name I chose for my 200LX, use
whatever you want here.  The domain is the one I've registered.
If you don't have one, use your ISP's domain name.  I don't think
either of these last two matter, I've never found them to be
important.

Sounds like you're making good progress, keep at it!

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On 2002-12-31, Daniel Hertrich wrote:

>> Which are the pros and cons in each case ? (I understand the 200LX
>> can't handle more than 220 Mb. Is that true, by the way ?)
>
> That's not true.
> Please see http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/200lx again, the
> storage section. There are many cards larger than 220MB which
> can be used, some need that ACECARD driver.

Daniel, do you know what hardware criteria make it require the
ACECARD driver? Since it is apparently not the size of the disk
as is (FAT16B limit is at 2Gb, and Avi reported his non-Sandisk
512 Mb CF card to work without driver), is it the different size
of the Flash pages used by different CF card models, or what else?

If we'd knew what exactly is the problem with the built-in
drivers, it might be easier to identify compatible cards in
the future, or even to write a specialized driver or a patch
with a much lower memory footprint than the ACECARD driver...

As a new owner of a HP 200LX (I just obtained a mint 1998 2 Mb
model with BIOS 1.02A D), I am somewhat tempted to get one of
these huge CF cards (512 Mb or even 1 Gb) now, but if the Sandisk
cards won't work in the 200LX without the ACECARD driver (as
they apparently don't do according to some reports in this forum),
I would probably have to go for the Sandisk 256 Mb cards (as they
seem to work fine without a driver, don't they?).
At least IMHO, a memory footprint of more than 10 Kb is a
strong issue against loading such a driver, even more so on
an XT class machine...

>> To enable support for Sony Memory Stick, Microdrive, Compactflash
>> Type I, CompactFlash Type II, Multimedia MMC, Secured Digital SD,
>> Smartmedia by adding the following PCMCIA/PC Card Adapter:
>
> Microdrives caanot be used in the LX, because they need too much
> power. Some people tried to read from Microdrives and partially
> succeeded, but writing to them definitely doesn't work.

Putting the power consumption problem aside for a moment, it's still
good to know that they seem to work fine at least in theory. Maybe
it would be possible to come up with an external power supply for
the Microdrive or a solution to "strenghten" the internal switching
power supply. Or simply to hope, that future Microdrives will consume
less power. Since they are meanwhile available at various capacities,
just for the records, what kind of Microdrive did you tried, Avi?

Greetings,

 Matthias

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> > does there exist some tool for SMS sending [via GSM phone]? I am looking
> > for software where I can type SMS on my LX and then send it via GSM phone.
> > I have heard this is possible via WWW/LX, is there another way?
>
> It is possible with WWW/LX in combination with Post/LX (if you like an
> email-like interface) and POSTPDU. The WWW/LX and Post/LX demo versions
> are enough, because the demo version limitations don't affect SMS
> sending too much.

Thanks for reply. I have tried this software, but I couldn't make it work
:-( The problem was not the connection, because normal internet connection
works [it dials]. But when I try to exchange SMSs, it stops with
Connecting to phone. Hanging up. The sequence:
send AT\r
wait 5 OK
in pdu.scr [about line 100] timeouts and I cannot figure out why :(

Btw I own DS LX, Siemens MT50 and cable :)
I have www3, postlx, robot, postpdu installed.

> All other posible ways don't support IrDA, but only cable, for example
> I remember that I hvae seen a DOS tool for SMS sending "SMSSEND" or
> "SMSEND" (don't remember the exact name, could be that I have put it on
> SUPER).

cannot find :(

> Nokia phones also have a built-in SMS editor which is available through
> AT commands from a normal terminal emulation.

cool thing :)

> Everything I know about all this can be found on
> http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/mob_hplx

Thanks :)

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Martin wrote...
MB> Ah yes.. Everett do you have something to share about the Hp700Lx? I
MB> had one for a while. (My first Hplx), but I sold it and have now three
MB> Hp200Lx's.

Nope, don't know a thing about it.

Everett

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Hal wrote...
HG> Speaking for Everett, I believe the 700LX was the 200LX/GSM hybrid
HG> developed in Singapore after Everett's time.

Ah.  I knew it had to be something Singapore did, but I didn't
remember what it was.

HG> Chris Ko (remember him, Everett) was the only Singapore engineer
HG> that spent any time at all in Corvallis.

Yes, I do remember him.  It seems like there was one or two other
Singapore engineers that came over with him, but he was the "lead"
engineer.  We all felt VERY sorry for him, as he only had 2-3 weeks
to absorb our "core dump" of the LX projects.  We put together an
HP Vectra (desktop computer) with all of the software build-trees
and tools and documentation, and he sat down with each of us (and
the hardware engineers) to go over their parts of the projects,
and then had to take that Vectra back to Singapore and try to
get things going there.  Once the decision had been made to move
things to Singapore (by upper management), things moved FAST.  They
basically gave us about a month to "wrap things up" and transfer
the "knowledge base" to Singapore.  They wanted us on the notebook
projects NOW, and they obviously didn't care about the calculator
and Palmtop lines, the $-signs in their eyes were all focused on
the notebooks.  <disgusted shake of head> Oh well, spilled milk.

Everett

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Well, Mike and Ted have gotten me closer to success...

On Tuesday 31 December 2002 01:16 am, Michael Kopplin wrote:
> First, load lxcic resident in autoexec.bat with lxcic/l
> otherwise your card won't be enabled unless you reboot.

Didn't know that, thanks!

It's set up that way now...

as is:

> Second, I would take lxen2216 out of autoexec.bat.

and

>  For www.exe to use dhcp or bootp, you'll need to run
> dhcp.exe, available from dasoft.com, and then run the resulting
> ip-up.bat to set your ip address, netmask etc, before your run
> Post or HV.

I've set up a batch file that loads the lxen2216, runs dhcp.exe and then =
calls=20
the ip-up.bat file. At the end of it all, I type "set" to see if it actua=
lly=20
worked and the values are set for MYIP, etc.

When I start and try to connect w/ Post/LX, I still get the errors of:
   Could not connect to POP host.
   No response from DNS server.

The only other "odd" thing I see is during the connect. I am using my rou=
ter's =20
automatic DHCP server, it assigns an IP address, etc. AND the LX's dhcp.e=
xe=20
picks this up and sets it... Here's the "odd" part: During initialization=
=20
LXCIC sees the same MAC Address as my router's DHCP Active IP table, when=
=20
Post/LX is trying to start it shows the MAC addresses for the "peer" (the=
=20
router) and itself ... it's slightly off in what it reports for itself(!)=
=2E Is=20
this significant?

How can LXCIC "see" the proper MAC address; then Post/LX report something=
=20
different (only the second number of 6 is different)?

Could this be the trouble, OR is it "beneath" either program to really no=
tice=20
this as long as I've got the environment variables, etc., "set" properly?=
 =20

I don't really want to turn the router's DHCP services off. If I leave it=
 on;=20
then set the LX for some arbitrary IP address, w/in the acceptable range,=
=20
would that help?

TIA to all for help on this project!!

--tim
PS. Looking for the other drivers now and will read their accompanying=20
documentation....

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Everett: << Actually, part of the problem was that they wanted to be an
"IBM class" computer company, and they had no one else to do notebooks
for them, so they said, "Hey, notebooks can make 100's of times more
profit than this silly calculator line can, so let's toss that fading
line to Singapore and redirect these Corvallis folks in a big way
towards notebooks!" >>

The irony as you will recall, Everett, is that HP already had had a
great lead in producing laptops. Our company produced magazine and
catalog for the HP 110 and Portable Plus for 8 years, starting in 1985,
even though they were only manufactured from 1983-6. The parallel with
the HP LX series is amazing. HP was WAY ahead of the curve with their
DOS laptops. Corvallis  emphasized (IMHO) the right things -- long
battery life, instant on. Like the LX they didn't know how to market it,
and eventually killed it despite the immense popularity among its
dedicated user base. Then as you say, years later, HP rediscovered the
laptop and had to play catch-up.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Hertrich" <daniel.hertrich@GMX.DE>
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Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Backlight news


> Hi Barry
>
> 16h47m ago Barry wrote:
>
> > I'm not that excited about the picture.  It's bright but there
> > doesn't seem to be much contrast.  Daniel, is that just the
picture
> > or is that how it is?
>
> Thanks that you mention that, Barry,
> Of course, the contrast is indeed reduced. This is simply because
the
> original reflective layer of the screen is removed and replaced
by the
> electroluminescence foil, which is not as reflective as the
original
> foil.
>
> This will lower the light threshold under which the palmtop is
> usable without backlight.
> But you will have backlight, so you can simply switch it on when
> surrounding light is not sufficient, and then you can read the
screen
> again.

I meant with the light on there doesn't seem to be enough contrast.
I realize pictures can mislead in a case like this and that's
really what I'm asking about.  It seems, from the picture, that
it's bright enough but there isn't enough contrast to be
comfortable with the light on.  Is this really the way it looks?

This is the first upgrade I've been interested in.  I'll have to
save for it so I won't be one of the first, which has other
benefits, as well.  But I'd like to be sure it's something I can
really use with my old eyes.  I have no problem with a laptop
screen at all and the same is true with the Palm 3C screen.  It
doesn't have to be that good to be ok.  But it has to have good
contrast.

I'm less worried about when the light is off.  Using rechargables
and always having some ready to go, now that I'm home when I'm
using it that isn't a problem for me.

Barry

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At 12/31/02-07:11 AM, Matthias Paul <Matthias.Paul@post.rwth-aachen.de> wrote:
>On 2002-12-31, Daniel Hertrich wrote:
>
> >> Which are the pros and cons in each case ? (I understand the 200LX
> >> can't handle more than 220 Mb. Is that true, by the way ?)
> >
> > That's not true.
> > Please see http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/200lx again, the
> > storage section. There are many cards larger than 220MB which
> > can be used, some need that ACECARD driver.
>
>Daniel, do you know what hardware criteria make it require the
>ACECARD driver? Since it is apparently not the size of the disk
>as is (FAT16B limit is at 2Gb, and Avi reported his non-Sandisk
>512 Mb CF card to work without driver), is it the different size
>of the Flash pages used by different CF card models, or what else?

Sorry, no: my 512MB is ATA size, NOT CF. I hope I did not mislead with what
I wrote.

Happy New Year!

Avi

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<<Yes, I do remember him.  It seems like there was one or two other
Singapore engineers that came over with him, but he was the "lead"
engineer.  We all felt VERY sorry for him, as he only had 2-3 weeks to
absorb our "core dump" of the LX projects.  We put together an HP Vectra
(desktop computer) with all of the software build-trees and tools and
documentation, and he sat down with each of us (and the hardware
engineers) to go over their parts of the projects, and then had to take
that Vectra back to Singapore and try to get things going there.>>

Chris was a great guy and very bright and left HP just a few years ago.
If there were more engineers, he was the only one that stayed on the
team. Many Singapore engineers REALLY ended up liking and using the
200LX even though they developed the OmniGo and the initial CE devices.


According to my sources, much of the internal 200LX documentation was
lost in the transfer!  Also, as I recall hearing, the Lotus EXM System
Manager stuff was never well documented and the code difficult to
follow.

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<<Carlos,

I'm from Argentina.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: HPLX Mailing List [mailto:HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu] En nombre de
Carlos Lacroze Enviado el: Domingo, 29 de Diciembre de 2002 07:07 p.m.
Para: HPLX-L@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
Asunto: Looking for argentinean members

Is there any other member of this community from Argentina ? >>

My wife is from Uruguay, and we visit often and just returned. We just
met many Argentineans at Punte del Este and Atlantida on the coast. Next
time, we were thinking of spending time in Argentina.  (For those who
don't know, Uruguay is across the river from Argentina).

We are in the process of buying a number of HP 200LX's from bottling
companies in Brazil!

Hal from Thaddeus.=20

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<<I will upgrade two or three LXs when the upgrade is available. I would
be happiest if I could do this through Thaddeus to avoid the shipping
expense and shipping time.

Hal, are you listening?>>

Yes, I am always listening<g>. I have to convince my conservative
colleagues in our repair center (who have to take the heat from me if
there is a screw up) to go for it. Likely, if we offer it, we will wait
and see how the initial brave souls who do it themselves or have Thomas
do it in Germany like it. Also, since parts (especially screens) are
hard to come by, we want to make sure we can honor warranty.

In other words it will be at least several months and probably longer.

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I don't know if he is still on the list or at the email address he had in
1999, but I got the 95LX SunDisk drivers from Alejandro Paz
<psys@COTELCO.COM.AR>. He posted info about the drivers in May of 1999.

Bob
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Tim wrote:

> How can LXCIC "see" the proper MAC address; then Post/LX
> report something different (only the second number of 6 is
> different)?
>
> Could this be the trouble, OR is it "beneath" either program
> to really notice this as long as I've got the environment
> variables, etc., "set" properly?

I think the IP numbers for host, gateway, network and DNS are the
important pieces.


> I don't really want to turn the router's DHCP services off. If
> I leave it on;  then set the LX for some arbitrary IP address,
> w/in the acceptable range, would that help?

I think you can assign and use a static IP without turning off
DHCP.

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Ted Heise      <theise@netins.net>      West Lafayette, IN, USA

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