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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 05:01:17 +0000
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              fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET
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> Btw, it's interesting that Digitial Research didn't sue that
> little startup company from Seattle who took their intellectual

Well, they finally got even today and shook us up good in Seattle!  6.8
earthquake that just kept on rolling................

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Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:59:01 -0600
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              Ed Keefe <emkeefe@USWEST.NET>
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Ken London <KenLondon@BELD.NET> asked

>>Is the e-mail palmtop paper still being published?  I signed up for it
twice now and am still receiving nothing.   I've noticed back issues on your
website but have received nothing to date.<<

The Palmtop email newsletter is in 'suspended animation mode' for now. I've
finally run out of things to say about the Palmtop. I don't like to send
email to people just to be sending email. I get email like this almost daily
and do my best to 'filter' it out. I also am somewhat 'thin-skinned' and
don't like dealing with 'flames' that come back, with each issue of the
newsletter, from dissatisfied recipients.

On the other hand, if the recent thread about a 'software project' takes
hold, that would be some good news for an email or two. I encourage the
folks who started the thread to keep unraveling it: see where it goes.

.ed.

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Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:02:11 -0800
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Hello Longden (et al.),

Actually, well before he won the Nobel prize in 1921, Einstein worked on =
viscosity of fluids, specifically that of a dilute dispersion of solid sp=
heres.  He published his first derivation of an expression for viscosity =
of this type of liquid and corrected the errors in it in a later paper in=
 1911 (based upon experimental work).

- Claud


To: Longden Loo
Subject: RE: Fluff: Einstein



  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Longden Loo Ýmailto:Longden_Loo@CANDLE.COM¨
  > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 9:02 AM
  > Subject: Fluff: Einstein
  >=20
  >=20
  > > This is a little like saying Einstein didn't know how to design
  > > a bomb.
  >=20
  > Actually, he probably didn't.
  >=20
  > Theory, design and execution are separate, and Einstein was never (to=
 my
  > admittedly limited knowledge) a designer or an engineer.
  >=20
  > A semantical non-issue probably for everyone except the bomb=20
  > designers <g>.
  >=20
  > - Longden
  >=20
_________________________________________________________________________=
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Visit http://www.visto.com/info, your free web-based communications cente=
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Visto.com. Life on the Dot.

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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 06:55:15 +0100
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              HP Staber <hpstaber@COMPUSERVE.COM>
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Barry,
>
>
> From the reading I've been doing about linux in the last couple
> of years, the producers of linux recognize that has to be dealt
> with and they are designing software to handle or at least ease
> the managment taks.  My understanding of their approach (I'm not
> sure I have this right) is not to change linux to make it easier
> to use.  They're adding layers that provide GUIs and tools to
> automatically handle linux as it is.

I've decided to make a dualboot setup with Win and Linux at the
beginning of the year. It forced me to look into
partitioning/organizing my harddisk which was a painfull but worthwhile
experience. While I have no clue about Linux itself the installation
was easy And the user interface is now windowslike with drag and drop,
folders, desktop symbols etc. I have decided to buy a full Debian
distribution package and will see further. I agree that Linux is
probably mor for the techie.

My main reason to look into Linux : I'm convinced that my siblings will
grow up with computers. It is not a given that Windhose remains the
dominant OS and I'm quite sure that Linux will have it's place. So they
should know and I want to know also.

HP Staber/Salzburg

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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 06:50:29 +0100
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From:    "Peter A. Castro" <doctor@FRUITBAT.ORG>
 Thank you for writing so comprehensively, Peter

Business Week mentions a "Stinger Project" by Samsung and Microsoft - a
PocketPC and phone combined smaller than the HPLX but with larger screen.

a former list member writes:

Nope. I tried the Palm emulator on my desktop with a bunch of the leading
applications (mostly free or shareware) and decided to buy a second hand to
evaluate my writing capability. Fluent writing capability was obtained by
the end of the second hour of normal practice... Then sold my 100-LX with
not even the shadow of one regret. I must say that I was really tired of the
integrism of the HPLX list... the apology of DOS vs Windows was funny, but
the cult of the old HP products was really a bit too far for me. Yes quality
is globally changing the wrong way... But this kind of gadgets' power and
usability increased in a much more interesting manner in the recent past.
100/200LX were the right tools at their time. They're no longer. Just
evaluate the amount of available applications if you still need to be
convinced.

The french palm list : http://www.egroups.fr/group/palm-fr

 -amities-
 Nathalie :)

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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:09:24 +0100
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              Laust Brock-Nannestad <laustbn@DIKU.DK>
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Gerhard Gonter wrote:

> Btw, it's interesting that Digitial Research didn't sue that
> little startup company from Seattle who took their intellectual
> property to create a rivaling OS and later became a major
> predator when it comes to killing other startups who might be
> a rival in the future.

Well, Caldera finally sued Microsoft (after having bought the rights to
CP/M and Digital Research DOS from Novell) a couple of years ago. They
settled out of court...


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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:08:33 +0000
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              Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE
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The CTRL-Z problem is finally solved thanks to Mark Crumpton,
who enlightened me in a private email. The source of the
problem is whether you use a QWERTY or QWERTZ keyboard.

Because the scancode of a key reflects its location on a
keyboard, there is a difference in the scancode for the Z and Y
keys depending on the keyboard in use. Note that the Z and Y
keys are just exchanged on QWERTY and QWERTZ keyboards.

CTRL-Z on a QWERTY keyboard has the scancode 2C hex, which
translates to 44 dec and means, it is the 44.character on the
keyboard.

CTRL-Z on a QWERTZ keyboard has the scancode 15 hex, which
means, it is the 21.character on the keyboard.

But now the interesting point: No matter which national palmtop
you use, the scancode for the Z key is always 2C hex, even if
the palmtop has a QWERTZ keyboard (like mine has).

However on my desktop QWERTZ keyboard, the scancode of Z is
15 hex, which is more correct because it is exactly it's
location on the keyboard.

Now who is wrong?

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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:05:05 -0500
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Subject:      CANNOT OPEN PHONE.PDB FILE
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Greetings:

Yesterday, I was able to open by phone.pdb file;  today, I receive an
error message that I cannot.

Any suggestions??

Carole
Oracle

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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:12:21 -0600
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              Theodore Heise <theise@NETINS.NET>
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Stefan Peichl wrote:

> The CTRL-Z problem is finally solved thanks to Mark Crumpton,
> who enlightened me in a private email. The source of the
> problem is whether you use a QWERTY or QWERTZ keyboard.

Aha!  This sounds very much like the problem you helped me solve
with my use of LIGHTON a year or two ago.  :)

Ted

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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 15:19:56 +0100
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On Thursday, 01.03.2001 at 00:12 GMT, Russel Brooks  wrote:
> Ulrich Boche wrote:
> > This is rather strange since Memo and the database engine use different
> > encrytion methods.
> > HPCRACK only works with database files, by the way.
>
> Interesting, the SUPER description says it works on DB, Note,
> Phone, Appointment, and World time files.
>
> I recommended trying HPCRACK based on this description.
>
I somehow related this corruption problem with Memo although I should have
seen that the application was Note. Sorry for the brain check.

All the applications you listed are using the HP 200 LX database engine.
That's also why DBCHECK works for all of them. What I meant was not just
GDB files, but all files handled by the database engine.

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On Thursday, 01.03.2001 at 00:12 GMT, Russel Brooks  wrote:
> Jeffrey Veiss wrote:
> > It looks like the problem started when I tried to change the password
from
> > one password to another.  I tried it again on a copy of my backup and
it
> > corrupted the backup copy.  I restored it again and changed the
password
> > to nothing, closed and reopened the file, and then set the new
password.
>
> Let me suggest that your main problem is using the builtin pw
> protection.  It isn't very secure due to HPCRACK.  If you have
> data worth protecting I recommend using SecureDevice
> (SECDEV14.ZIP on SUPER) to create an encrypted logical drive.
> On this drive you can have your applications place their files.
>
This is an excellent suggestion. But he should make really sure that he has
sorted out and fixed his data corruption problems first or he might end up
with an encrypted and corrupted logical drive.

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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 09:31:43 -0500
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              Domingo <dvm123@GMX.CO.UK>
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Subject:      Re: Big fat CF cards.
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Anyone knows if this card will work on the HPLX without
drivers?   I though I read somewhere that the problem which
affects large PCMCIA cards does not affect large CF cards.  Is
that correct?

Domingo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Owen H. Morgan" <ohmorgan@INAME.COM>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: Big fat CF cards.



> ORLANDO, FL, Feb. 12, 2001 - SanDisk Corporation
> (NASDAQ: SNDK) today introduced a 512 megabyte
> (MB)CompactFlash(tm) (CF) memory card, the
> world's highest capacity, standard CF Type I card.

My immediate comment would be WOW! How I'd love to have one of
those big fat 512Mb CF's. Still, I think the 192Mb cards
Longden mentioned would probably be more realistic for my
wallet at the moment. Maybe those will be coming down in price
a bit now? (He said hopefully... )

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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 07:19:57 -0800
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              Longden_Loo@CANDLE.COM
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> Yesterday, I was able to open by phone.pdb file;  today, I receive an
> error message that I cannot.
>
> Any suggestions??

1) are you sure you're pointing to the correct file?  Try File/Open and get
to the phone.pdb that way.

2) if that fails, reboot and try again

3) if that fails, make a copy of phone.pdb and then use a restored copy
from your backups.  If the backup copy works, then the master phone.pdb has
a problem, and there are a variety of recovery things to try (like using
dbcheck or garlic from the SUPER site).

- Longden

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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:23:17 -0500
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              Steve <novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM>
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Al Kind wrote:

> Has anybody successfully configured a good method to transfer filse
> between an LX and OB800 vai IR? I have tries X-finder & XFS with
> little success. I think I tried TransFile as well a while back with
> no luck.
>
> Cheers...AJKind

Longden Loo wrote:

> > I've tried the same with no success.  Even the older Omnibooks seem to
> > resist most methods of transfer between the LX and the OBs using IR, =

Hrmm:

Based on discussions on the list, and being a bit
brain dead one evening, I bought an Omnibook 800
on e-Bay to supplemant my 200LX.  Unfortunately
it came without a manual.  It has Win 98 installed.
So, two questions... 1) How do you access the IR
port?  Win 98 has drivers installed, but that seems
rather meaningless as nothing refers to them.  2)
is there anyway to clean/lube the (blankity blank)
keyboard so it doesn't stick?

I guess there are any number of other questions as
well.  So, is there a web address to explain what
the function key is used for and any other Omnibook
specific info?

I'm willing to test the 800 <-> 200 IR, but am dead
in the water as of now.

Steve

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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:47:31 -0500
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              Andrew Lovell <andrew@LOVELL-INFO.SE>
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Comments: To: Steve <novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM>
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Hi

Try

http://www.data-plumber.com/

http://www.technoir.nu/omnibook/omnilist/index.html

http://home.earthlink.net/~qman

Regards

Andrew


>
>I guess there are any number of other questions as
>well.  So, is there a web address to explain what
>the function key is used for and any other Omnibook
>specific info?
>
>I'm willing to test the 800 <-> 200 IR, but am dead
>in the water as of now.
>
>Steve
>
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>

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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:46:37 -0600
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Ulrich Boche wrote:

> This is an excellent suggestion. But he should make really sure that he has
> sorted out and fixed his data corruption problems first or he might end up
> with an encrypted and corrupted logical drive.

Would this make it then an illogical drive?

Ted

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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:06:50 -0700
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Andrew Lovell wrote:

> http://www.data-plumber.com/
>
> http://www.technoir.nu/omnibook/omnilist/index.html

Please use http://www.omnibook.org/omnilist/ to access the
Omnibook list archives. The old url still works, but may go away
at some time in the future.

> http://home.earthlink.net/~qman

Regards,
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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:21:55 -0600
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              Barry <barry@FBTC.NET>
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> Owen H. Morgan said:
>
> Oh, and in case you wondered, the OS
> is called EPOC and is found on Psion,
> Ericsson and Nokia palmtops amongst others.

Geos was also designed (well, totally redesigned) to work on a
PDA with or without a keyboard.  What might make it more
interesting to LX users is that it sit's on top of DOS.  It's a
multitasking GUI for Dos and I think it uses non-preemtive
multitasking, but I'm not sure I remember that right.

There are a number of apps written for it and a pretty complete
set of apps is included with it.

I'm not sure I've seen it mentioned much in this group but it
probably wouldn't be too hard to get it working on the LX.  I'm
not sure if it's freeware now or still being sold or in a
confused state.  But there are free versions of it around that
they released as demos.

Oh yeah, there's also a development system for it.

Another GUI that should work on the LX, probably right out of
the box, is GEM.  There are also a number of applications
written for it, but they might be hard to find now.  A number of
applications were included with it, too.  If I remember right,
it used preemptive multitasking.  And it was a bit buggy.  But
it was very usable.  I don't think it was as buggy as Windows.

There was also a development kit available for Gem.

I'll be a little surprised if Gem isn't freeware now.  It was
made by Digital Research and was probably part of the bundle
that Novel sold to Caldera.  Most of that stuff is free today.

Actually I just looked for Gem and it seems that it is now
licensed under GNU.  Dos versions are available for download as
are a number of apps and development tools and documentation,
technical and otherwise.  It seems that there is still active
development going on.

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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:12:04 +0100
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              HP Staber <hpstaber@COMPUSERVE.COM>
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>
> Hello Everyone:
>       I would like to read the opinions of the members of the list =
regarding
> filtering software for the mail digest. I spend quite a bit of time =
looking
> over messages that, while interesting to others, don't relate to my
> situation. The list used to have a format that would list each individua=
l
> message according to its subject line, and that was just perfect. It =
was a
> kind of an outline of the topics. That site/format still exists, but =
its last
> message is dated November of 2000. The software would be best if it ran =
on my
> PC, but if it worked on the 200LX, that would be OK. I've checked D&A =
and the
> SUPER site to no avail. I'm sure there are commercial programs that =
will sort
> mail in one's mailbox, but what about sorting by topic "inside" the =
digest?

I'm not sure if I understand your questions correctly.

POST/LX lets you download mails from e-mail lists in digest mode and
eplodes the digest into single messages upon arrival at the palmtop.

Next you can filter e-mails into dedicated mailfolders - I do that with
this list which ends up in a seperate HPLX-L folder.

Within each folder you can sort messages either through the menu
command or by hitting Ctrl-S and then selecting the sort order
(subject, from, to, date, original order).

If that suits your needs I'd be happy to get you going.
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Geos has been resurrected as NewDeal (see www.newdeal.com).  It only
supports 286 AT class computers and above.  Notwithstanding that, it gives
80-90% of the functionality of MS Windows/MS Office while only taking up
10Mb of HDD space.  Its breathed new life into my 486 Thinkpad 701c!  For
example, NewDeal has a built in word processor, flat file database and
spreadsheet.  Lots of people still have the earlier Geoworks which does work
on an XT class machine and these early versions are still file compatible
with NewDeal.
HTH

-----Original Message-----
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Barry
Sent: Friday, 2 March 2001 07:22
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: FLUFF: Re: HP in the news


> Owen H. Morgan said:
>
> Oh, and in case you wondered, the OS
> is called EPOC and is found on Psion,
> Ericsson and Nokia palmtops amongst others.

Geos was also designed (well, totally redesigned) to work on a
PDA with or without a keyboard.  What might make it more
interesting to LX users is that it sit's on top of DOS.  It's a
multitasking GUI for Dos and I think it uses non-preemtive
multitasking, but I'm not sure I remember that right.

There are a number of apps written for it and a pretty complete
set of apps is included with it.

I'm not sure I've seen it mentioned much in this group but it
probably wouldn't be too hard to get it working on the LX.  I'm
not sure if it's freeware now or still being sold or in a
confused state.  But there are free versions of it around that
they released as demos.

Oh yeah, there's also a development system for it.

Another GUI that should work on the LX, probably right out of
the box, is GEM.  There are also a number of applications
written for it, but they might be hard to find now.  A number of
applications were included with it, too.  If I remember right,
it used preemptive multitasking.  And it was a bit buggy.  But
it was very usable.  I don't think it was as buggy as Windows.

There was also a development kit available for Gem.

I'll be a little surprised if Gem isn't freeware now.  It was
made by Digital Research and was probably part of the bundle
that Novel sold to Caldera.  Most of that stuff is free today.

Actually I just looked for Gem and it seems that it is now
licensed under GNU.  Dos versions are available for download as
are a number of apps and development tools and documentation,
technical and otherwise.  It seems that there is still active
development going on.

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> Ken Hansen wrote:
>
> Visicalc was written by an MBA student
> who was tired of performing mathmatical
> calculations on columns of numbers by
> hand over and over again. He didn't know
> anything about spreadsheet programs (they
> hadn't been invented until he invented it),

And, then, Barry wrote

> ...  I felt, on being shown through Visicalc that this was one
of the most
> amazing things I'd ever seen.  It was such a brilliant and
> beautiful and new idea and such a dramatic departure from
> anything that was expected from software or computers before.
I
> remember thinking that there really is something new under the

> sun.  I think I even said that, corny as it is.  :)

I guess it just goes to show that some of the best and most
creative ideas come from those who don't know any better! ;-)

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry" <barry@FBTC.NET>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:21 PM
Subject: FLUFF: Re: HP in the news

> Geos was also designed (well, totally redesigned) to work on
a
> PDA with or without a keyboard.  What might make it more
> interesting to LX users is that it sit's on top of DOS.
It's a
> multitasking GUI for Dos and I think it uses non-preemtive
> multitasking, but I'm not sure I remember that right.
> There are a number of apps written for it and a pretty
complete
> set of apps is included with it.
> I'm not sure I've seen it mentioned much in this group but
it
> probably wouldn't be too hard to get it working on the LX.
I'm
> not sure if it's freeware now or still being sold or in a
> confused state.  But there are free versions of it around
that
> they released as demos.

If I recall correctly, Tony Hutchings was running Geos on his
hplx during the time of the old list.   After the new list got
started, he didn't seem to show his face around here much
anymore.   But if he is around, he is your man for Geos on the
hplx.

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Hello Ken

I think you have a problem sitting at home :)
I sell and repair computers and find more and more people are using Unix
I also belong to the Computer Angels Club who gives away redundant computers
to the needy who cant afford them
The computers are installed with Unix slack ware and all users are learning
Unix
nobody has askt for Windoze,  for them it is a learning curve and thy don't
know how to run
Windoze or Dos  thy are very happy with the computers
There are also a lot of companies running Unix servers with great success
I think there will be a time when Windoze will crash for good as another
system
will take over  people will always go for the cheapest thing available

Sorry to be so blunt with You
Cheers
Harry

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Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2001 2:38 PM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu
Subject: Re: HP in the news


In this whole disccussion about linux the bottom line is if are looking for
an operating system that is more reliable than windows you are not
going to find in linux.  I've heard from many people that linux is not any
more reliable than windoze and in some cases worse.

So if linux is so great as people keep saying how come the linux
companies are tanking on wall street?  How come linux isn't flying off
the shelves at computer stores?  When I was in a local computer store
yesterday I didn't see anyone preventing people from buying Linux.  So why
isn't it selling?

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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 00:18:38 +0200
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              Daniel Hertrich <d.hertrich@GMX.DE>
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Hi friends,

On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:21:27 -0700, Richard and Patti Smith <seronac@FREEPORT.COM> wrote:

> In my experience, Linux is similar to sitting on a pair of
> scissors -- if you get my meanin' (a pain in the a--). Sure,
> it's open source and written by a half a million programmers
> from around the world, but therein lies the problem: you can't
> get a consistent user interface and you can't get consistent
> hardware support. It's a nightmare to learn and not much better
> to use. I tried it for several months and gave up. It's great
> for super-geeks who can also program assembly in their sleep,
> but it ain't ready for prime time; normal people will pull their
> hair out! And people say that DOS is hard to use!

Actually, I didn't want to chime in that fluff thread, but now I can't
stand all that crap about linux anymore ;-)

I'm certainly not a super-geek and I also can't program in assambly
language. But I got used to Linux very well. Now I nearly only work
with linux and I only run Windows when I have to work on Word or Excel
files (even then I could use Linux's Staroffice, but it's not FULLY
compatible).

For the last few years I had both systems in parallel on my machine and
moved peu-a-peu all my work to Linux.

And, please consider: Nowadays the well-known distributions of Linux
have great graphical installation and configuration tools that do most
of the work for you. Installing Linux that way, you get a running
system. You still have to do much configuration work manually,
especially if you have less common hardware (TV cards, professional
sound cards, scanners etc.). But after some time reading manuals and
docs, you should be able to do the work.

It's good to have some C programming skills, but it'S not mandatory.
Using a graphical user interface like KDE2, which is a really great
GUI, much more capabilities than every Windows version!!, Linux is
nearly as simple in usage as Windows.
KDE2 combines all the advantages of all GUIs of the OSs. There are
influences by Windows, OS/2, BeOS, MacOS and probably many others. And
you really can hardly crash a Linux box. It's possible, especially if
you use hardware that's not very well supported, or if you configured
womething wrong (hardware ressource assignment). But otherwise Linux is
EXTREMELY stable. If some program crashes, simply kill it and go on
with your other programs. The whole machine won't be locked at all.

Since every program is configurable with human-readable ASCII files,
you can configure everything to your needs, unlike Windows and its
programs, which can only be configured as far as the configuration
tools allow.

The greatest advantages of linux are
- networking capabilities
- configuration
- stability
- very scalable: runs on evry system that has at least a 386 and about
  4MB of RAM.
- user can add / modify every feature, due to the open source

I've worked a lot ith different OSs, including Win NT4 at work, Linux
at home, Win95 at work and at home, DOS of course ;-)... NAd Linux is
by far the most reliable and transparent (!) system. If you WANT to
understand it. If you don't want to, you won't. It's quite some work to
understand it, if you never worked with Unix or Linux before.

I hope this clarifies a few of your doubts about Linux. I tried to
describe it as objectively as possible, although I'm a big fan of
linux ;-)

And at last, to become on-topic, it is NOT possible to run any kind of
linux on the 200LX, since Linux needs at least a 386. Minix on the LX
is too limited to be useful in my opinion. So we have to wait for the
Morphy one, buy a Toshiba Libretto-like machine or carry a full-sized
notebook to run linux on the road.

I think Palmtops that will run Linux WILL come, but they will also have
their limitations. Linux will be pre-installed in ROM, maybe upgradable
via flash, but you won't be able to customize it as freely as on a real
PC. Otherwise the whole thing would be too complicated to be attractive
to enough potential buyers.
But I will certainly be one of the first people who buys one! 8-)

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:20:06 -0500
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              Ken London <KenLondon@BELD.NET>
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Harry Oldenhuis wrote:

> Hello Ken
>
> I think you have a problem sitting at home :)
> I sell and repair computers and find more and more people are using Unix
> I also belong to the Computer Angels Club who gives away redundant computers
> to the needy who cant afford them
> The computers are installed with Unix slack ware and all users are learning
> Unix
> nobody has askt for Windoze,  for them it is a learning curve and thy don't
> know how to run
> Windoze or Dos  thy are very happy with the computers
> There are also a lot of companies running Unix servers with great success
> I think there will be a time when Windoze will crash for good as another
> system
> will take over  people will always go for the cheapest thing available
>
> Sorry to be so blunt with You
> Cheers
> Harry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HPLX Mailing List Ýmailto:HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu¨On Behalf Of
> Ken London
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2001 2:38 PM
> To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Re: HP in the news
>
> In this whole disccussion about linux the bottom line is if are looking for
> an operating system that is more reliable than windows you are not
> going to find in linux.  I've heard from many people that linux is not any
> more reliable than windoze and in some cases worse.
>
> So if linux is so great as people keep saying how come the linux
> companies are tanking on wall street?  How come linux isn't flying off
> the shelves at computer stores?  When I was in a local computer store
> yesterday I didn't see anyone preventing people from buying Linux.  So why
> isn't it selling?
>
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I originally raised the question because I wanted to run Linux on the 200lx and
was disappointed to find it is not possible.

People keep saying how great linux is so I wanted to give it a try on the 200lx,
alas
it it not to be.  Can it really be that good an operating system if it won't run
on the 200lx?

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Carole Kilpatrick wrote:
> Yesterday, I was able to open by phone.pdb file;  today, I receive an
> error message that I cannot.

Got a backup?

In the future run DBCHECK against the file to be sure it is good
before backing it up.

Also, please don't send HTML to the list.

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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 19:53:09 -0500
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Greetings:

Apologies to all, however, as I encountered this while at the office, and
given the urgency of the matter, I issued the email under my office email
(which, unfortunately, has a .vcf file attached).

On a go forward basis, any need to access this list for information will be
done under a more kinder, and gentler, email.

Carole
Oracle

Russel Brooks wrote:

> Carole Kilpatrick wrote:
> > Yesterday, I was able to open by phone.pdb file;  today, I receive an
> > error message that I cannot.
>
> Got a backup?
>
> In the future run DBCHECK against the file to be sure it is good
> before backing it up.
>
> Also, please don't send HTML to the list.
>
> Cheers... Russ
>
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Hello Ken

Yes it can be done, you have to get somebody to burn the instruction set
Unix
into the EPROM that is in the lx200 to change the configuration
to start the software and you are away and running

At the moment Dos 5 is in the EPROM, you could probably change it over and
burn a new set
failing that you could buy a new EPROM and burn it.
I have a EPROM Burner here to do the job
I had the first Clone IBM 8086 here in west Australia with IBM basic in 5
EPROM's
every Tom Dick and Harry wanted a copy.

I have not pulled apart a LX200 to see what is inside or what size the EPROM
is.
There is software available to copy all the software that is in the EPROM
out
and have a look at it and see what size it is.

You must remember that Dos in the LX200 is a cut down version
and you would have to do the same with Unix.
A Unix programmer would be able to help you with that.

I hope this helps
Cheers Harry


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>I originally raised the question because I wanted to run Linux on the 200lx
and
>was disappointed to find it is not possible.

>People keep saying how great linux is so I wanted to give it a try on the
200lx,
>alas
>it it not to be.  Can it really be that good an operating system if it
won't run
>on the 200lx?

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              Adrian Ho <aholx@MAILANDNEWS.COM>
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Ken London wrote:

> I originally raised the question because I wanted to run
> Linux on the 200lx and was disappointed to find it is not
> possible.

Linux was not designed to run on anything that doesn't have an
MMU, among other things.  That was a reasonable design decision
in its day, and it still is -- try counting the number of
multiuser, multitasking OSes that _don't_ use an MMU.

Still, some folks are working on special-casing the MMU out of
the kernel (the ELKS project comes immediately to mind).  This
will likely cripple the kernel somewhat, but the essential
flavor will still be there.

> People keep saying how great linux is so I wanted to give it
> a try on the 200lx, alas it it not to be.  Can it really be
> that good an operating system if it won't run on the 200lx?

People (like me) keep saying how great the 200lx is, but can it
really be that good a palmtop if it won't run AutoCAD 2000?

Horses for courses, Ken.

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On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> Actually, I didn't want to chime in that fluff thread, but
> now I can't stand all that crap about linux anymore ;-)

I don't think Richard's and/or Patti's comments are "crap"; they
did try it out and just didn't like it much.  It's unfortunate
that the specific distribution didn't work for them, but not
many people have the time & resources to try 5-6 different ones.

In any case, those were honest opinions based on personal
experience, and while they were slightly hyperbolic (last I
checked, I'm no assembly god), they did contain more than a few
kernels of truth (esp. w.r.t. UI consistency and problems with
hardware support).  They at least deserve careful consideration.

Conclusions (both positive and negative) based on _other_
people's opinions, and without personal experience, are another
matter entirely.  I wouldn't call them "crap" either, but I'm
not sure what term to use.  "Misguided", perhaps?

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Date:         Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:09:38 -0500
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People keep saying how great Linux is.  As far as I can tell it is a
miserable
failure because it can't run on the 200lx.  That makes it no better than
DOS.
Windoze can't run on the 200lx either, but very few people are saying
how
great windoze is.  So if linux is a failiure on the 200lx, what good is
it?

If won't run on the 200lx it is no better than DOS.  What good is it?

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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:21:17 +0800
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GEOS is well suited for devices with touch-screen capability. But the 200LX does
not have it so is there any point to run it on one? Perhaps the apps are really
good, I don't know and I honestly haven't used one before.


Just my thoughts.

Jimmy.

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: FLUFF: Re: HP in the news

> Geos was also designed (well, totally redesigned) to work on a
> PDA with or without a keyboard. What might make it more
> interesting to LX users is that it sit's on top of DOS. It's a
> multitasking GUI for Dos and I think it uses non-preemtive
> multitasking, but I'm not sure I remember that right.
> There are a number of apps written for it and a pretty complete
> set of apps is included with it.
> I'm not sure I've seen it mentioned much in this group but it
> probably wouldn't be too hard to get it working on the LX. I'm
> not sure if it's freeware now or still being sold or in a
> confused state. But there are free versions of it around that
> they released as demos.

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> > From: HPLX Mailing List Ýmailto:HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu¨On Behalf Of
> > Ken London
> > Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2001 2:38 PM
> > To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu
> > Subject: Re: HP in the news
> >
> > In this whole disccussion about linux the bottom line is if are looking for
> > an operating system that is more reliable than windows you are not
> > going to find in linux.  I've heard from many people that linux is not any
> > more reliable than windoze and in some cases worse.

I've been reading this discussion, and can't imagine where it originated,
and why it turned into the topic it did.

None the less, I'm unsure what you're implying by saying that Linux is less
reliable than Windows..  Define reliable..  Do you mean stablity in that you
can rely that the computer will not crash, and if a program does crash it
doesn't affect the rest of the computer?  I would think not..

Perhaps by reliable you mean compatability with hardware..  That sometimes
can be an issue with the very latest hardware, but typically Linux supports
any normal piece of hardware, and many less normal.

I have ran Linux (Red Hat) for three years, and I've had the entire computer
lock up four times..  All four times I was running a pre-release of the
kernel that was not ready for real use.  Otherwise, I have minor problems
out of Netscape and a few other programs, but they simply crash or lock up
themselves, leaving everything else unaffected.

I don't want to get into this too much as I am biased, but I can ensure you
that stability-wise, Linux beats the pants off of any Windows system I've
ever seen.  My server goes months without reboots, and even then it's because
I've rebooted to a new kernel or upgrading hardware.  My workstation also
stays up for months and I'm constantly running lots of different things, as
well as experimenting with all sorts of different software.

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              Karl Vanderhaven <dospalmtops@USA.COM>
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KenLondon wrote:

> I know of several companies who tried linux on their systems and have
> ended up with huge bills for customer service to straighten things
> out, some of these individuals are very tech savy and have had lots of
> problems.  For them linux was the biggest mistake of their lives.

Sorry but if they had to call customer support, they were not tech "savy".
Linux like any Unix is a good test, to find out if a person is actually as
good with computers as they would like to think they are.

> I would point out that the world needs an operating system that is
> better than Windoze (it has...it is called DOS).  Beyond DOS, I wish
> their was an alternative, linux does not appear to be it.

Sigh .. please Ken, take the time to actually learn about a subject
before posting it to a public forum.  This is a chronic problem, of
yours. First D&A insult, your ridiculous and repeated false claim to being
misquoted dozens of times, your extremely rude "Who or what is a Daniel
Legendre" comment, and now totally ignorant rantings of Linux. If you do
not have anything of importance to say please do not feel obligated to
post. Also for the sake of God learn how to properly do a FLUFF: header.
Just putting "Fluff" as the first word is _not_ good enough. Sorry to be
harsh but you have posted one too many nonsense things.

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              Tamas Feher <etomcat@FREEMAIL.HU>
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Hello all,

Minix can access DOS filesystems, there are
DOSdir/DOSread/DOSwrite commands.

Minix could also network, but it simply cannot fit in XT/640kb.

Andy Tanenbaum not only wrote Minix and Aemoba OSes, but
also the legendary book on "Computer Networks". He got mad at
St. Linus because Linux is sustaining an obsolete kind of OS with
monolithic kernel. But I think he was wrong. Not only Linux is
obsolete, but also any microkernel (Mach based) Unix should be
history, too. The whole idea of file-based OS concept (everything is
file in Unix) makes it inherentrly unsafe, virus-prone, unreliable.
There will be a plethora of Unix-viruses soon. You can make any
file a program, because the program is just a file in Unix, so there
is nothing really prohibiting malware from Unix.

The future should be OO-based OSes, with inherent unbreakable
security and extreme reliability. These (like OS/400) are here and
been here for over 15years and they are driving the mini and
mainframe machines of Fortune500, etc. Some day hopefully PC
users will come to expect the same kind of reliability and security
from the desktops.

I would be happy even if only the VMS became available for IBM
PC. In early 90's DEC made it; up to a bost-alpha test release and
then it was abandoned. Why the damn hell can't Compaq release it
into public domain for finishing development, at least for edu
purposes?

Sincerely: Tamas Feher.

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              Martin Bergvill <martin@MOBILPOST.COM>
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:48:15 +0100, Michael Berrier wrote:

Michael

> I really don't understand the discussion, here on the list. The point is
> that all LX-user  are waiting desperately for a really alternative to our
> old 200LX,

I am not waiting for a alternative. I am okey with it as it is. I will
get some more memory soon, but beside from that I am okey with the
unit. I do not lack anything.


> we only have small improvement we are waiting for. I don't care
> what system will be choosen I 'm waiting for the update LX, nothing else.

I am also waiting for a update Lx. But that will be a _updated_ _lx_
:-)

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On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:42:04 -0500, Ed Padin wrote:

Ed Padin

(Not fluffed in subject because it is Hplx related)


> My experince with Linux is that it is very powerful but can also be more
> difficult to use.

I installed Red Hat on my desktop computer. It was fun playing with it.
But my world is sad to say a "windowz" world.

> A linux based PDA would be nice for techy types but,
> unless they put a easily navigable front-end user interface with some useful
> applications, it will remain a hobbyists toy.

I feel that that could be said about the Hplx too. Yes it has the
Application manager and all the built in applications. But if you
really are _in to_ the Hplx you are a "configuration junkie"

To get to the level of Hplx knowledge I am at now I have read a lot of
docs and tweaked a lot of config files. That is _not_ something
anybody will do today.

Reading a lot of docs and tweaking of cfg's is not necassery a bad
thing. But from a market point of view it seems that the market want a
"plug and play" os that is not hard to use.

When my dad wanted a "Filofax that beeps" I could not get myself to buy
him a Hplx. It is too techie. I bought him a Psion 5Mx which has more
of the synch things he needs.

But for me the Hplx is the best machine out there. Even though it is a
"Hplx on steroids" (As Owen in the sailboat calls it :-)

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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 05:07:42 -0500
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              Martin Bergvill <martin@MOBILPOST.COM>
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On Thu,  1 Mar 2001 02:20:08 +0100, Owen H. Morgan wrote:

Owen

> Hi
>
> If the object of this discussion is finding a suitable OS for the next generation of HP palmtops, aren't y'all forgetting something important?

I see that you a are still "pushing" Epoc..:-) Thats okey I will
probably end up with a epoc device some time in the future (not for
many years though!!)

>Still, it leaves me in the sad position where I now own a WindoZe
> notebook simply to use as a ZIP-drive interface for my palmtop and
> camera.

If we can get some more info from the zip vs Hplx guy you could maybe
throw out your laptop and use the Hplx for zip drive access :-)

>I do _ALL_ my serious computing on the palmtop.

"Palmtop" as in "Hplx" or "Palmtop" as in "Mc218"? :-)

> Owen
> --

> On a sailboat. In Norway writing this e-mail on my palmtop while the
> Web application is busy downloading a software upgrade (via cell phone)
> in the background. I also have a total of 11 other open applications.
> Can you do _THAT_ on your LX?

I have one mind and need just one application at a time, but soon I
have a SC DS 64mb Hplx.. Then I maybe could do what you do but do I
need to do it?

> Oh, and in case you wondered, the OS is called EPOC and is found on
> Psion, Ericsson and Nokia palmtops amongst others.

Yes I already guessed :-). Nokia has Epoc on their 9000 (Geos??) and
9110 soon the 9210 _phones_ with pim cabability . But they are _not_
palmtops.

> In a world without walls and fences,
> who needs windows and gates?

Nice one. But I just have to point out one thing. You have this
advanced epoc Os but you can not get the line length down to the
required length which I can with this "outdated dying machine" running
Www/lx. :-))

(Yes when I read the message my mailprogram wraps the lines and
everything is okey, but when I reply your lines are _very_ long)

(Owen I am just pulling you leg :-))

Regards

About 200km from you and your sailboat :-)


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On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:21:41 -0700, Richard and Patti Smith wrote:

Richard

> Oh, my goodness...
> What have I started...?
>
> Richard Smith
> (With echoes of "Linux sucks!" "No, Windows sucks!" "NO, YOU
> SUCK!" and fistfights, in the background...)

Yes what have you started now?..:-)

Richard you can be sure that I will join you "ringside" and not be part
of the fistfight :-)) (I hope it does not get to a fistfight though)

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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:17:52 +0100
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              Laust Brock-Nannestad <laustbn@DIKU.DK>
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Tamas Feher wrote:

> Andy Tanenbaum not only wrote Minix and Aemoba OSes, but
> also the legendary book on "Computer Networks". He got mad at
> St. Linus because Linux is sustaining an obsolete kind of OS with
> monolithic kernel. But I think he was wrong. Not only Linux is
> obsolete, but also any microkernel (Mach based) Unix should be
> history, too. The whole idea of file-based OS concept (everything is
> file in Unix) makes it inherentrly unsafe, virus-prone, unreliable.
> There will be a plethora of Unix-viruses soon. You can make any
> file a program, because the program is just a file in Unix, so there
> is nothing really prohibiting malware from Unix.

Yawn. People have been predicting that UNIX would be flooded with viruses
"real soon now" for the last ten years. It still hasn't happened. That is
not to say that UNIX is invulnerable, it isn't, but unless a user has or
gains root access because of an exploit (which are generally quickly
fixed, I might add, at least on GNU/Linux based systems), he/she will only
be able to delete his/her own files, and not harm will be done to the
system or other users. As for configuration based on files, I don't see
the problem. It's easy to use, it's flexible, and under UNIX these files
are protected by file permissions (which are quite powerful). There are
even patches for Linux available that will protect essential system files
from being edited, _even by the administrator_, unless you reboot the
machine with a special parameter. This greatly increases security (not
even a root-exploit will help), at the cost of flexibility of course.

As for Mach, I don't see any problems, or with microkernels in general.
The Mach kernel is only tied to UNIX because it is useful, you could use
Mach to run other OSes as well. In fact, it only runs BSD UNIX processes
in "user-mode servers" (there is no BSD UNIX code in the kernel), a
concept much like the "virtual machines" that IBM use in their mainframe
OSes. This is good for security (and flexible, too).

> The future should be OO-based OSes, with inherent unbreakable
> security and extreme reliability. These (like OS/400) are here and
> been here for over 15years and they are driving the mini and
> mainframe machines of Fortune500, etc. Some day hopefully PC
> users will come to expect the same kind of reliability and security
> from the desktops.

PC users will probably expect the same kind of reliablity when the
hardware is as reliable - error correcting memory (and "no-name memory",
as used in many PCs would be out of the question of course!), RAIDed
harddrives, redundant power supplies, etc.. Do you see that happening on
the desktop market any time soon? I don't.


Cheers,

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On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Ken London wrote:

> If won't run on the 200lx it is no better than DOS.  What good is it?

This is a very narrow-minded view, but from the perspective of a 200LX
user that uses _nothing_ else, it's true that Linux would be useless. That
doesn't necessarily make Linux a failure.

To me it looks like you're getting the usefulness of a product (for want
of a better word) confused with its success-rate or quality. Either that
or you're trolling...

I'm sure Linux would run well on your Windows 98 machine.


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I have a flash ram card that I wanted to transfer between two pocket PCs.  =
Do I lose the stuff on it when I remove it?

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              Longden_Loo@CANDLE.COM
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> I have a flash ram card that I wanted to transfer between two pocket PCs.
Do I
> lose the stuff on it when I remove it?

Not with any flash ram cards that I know of.

Whatever you write to the card generally stays there till you take it off
(unless it sits for a couple of years).

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Thanks to Andrew Lovell, Mike Koppin, Al, and Longden.
for the URL's, interesting sites, tips, and help.
I now know why the other Omnibooks were more expensive.
I just got the Omnibook and the charger.  And Win 98
is probably not appropriate for the machine, as it is
somewhat slow, bloated, and quite unstable.  If I had
the floppy, original software, or the CD-ROM drive I
probably would have a different OS on it by now.

Thanks again,

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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:21:58 -0500
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Tamas Feher wrote:

> I would be happy even if only the VMS became available for IBM
> PC. In early 90's DEC made it; up to a bost-alpha test release and
> then it was abandoned. Why the damn hell can't Compaq release it
> into public domain for finishing development, at least for edu
> purposes?
>

VMS was not made in the 90s, I was using it in the 70s on a VAX 11.
You would not want it on a PC, it was very buggy,  crashed alot, and
was very expensive.  This was from DEC long before compaq.

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> > I would be happy even if only the VMS became available for IBM
> > PC. In early 90's DEC made it; up to a bost-alpha test release and
> > then it was abandoned. Why the damn hell can't Compaq release it
> > into public domain for finishing development, at least for edu
> > purposes?
> >
>
> VMS was not made in the 90s, I was using it in the 70s on a VAX 11.
> You would not want it on a PC, it was very buggy,  crashed alot, and
> was very expensive.  This was from DEC long before compaq.

I can't comment on the VMS OS on a PC per-se, but I would *love* to
have the DEC VMS command line interpreter available for a PC. That was
one of my favorites.  I was just discussing yesterday with my business
partner why we don't hear much about replacement command.com command
line interpreters being, or having been, available for DOS...

-Chris Lott

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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 08:45:42 -0700
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Ken,
Please take the time to read the posts you reply to. Tamas was not saying
that VMS, per se, was developed in the 90's, but that a version for the PC
was in development then, that it got to a post-alpha stage, and that further
development was stopped.

Can we let this thread die now? (Sorry to keep it alive with my own post,
but the aggravation level is rising.)

Bob Feldman

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 9:22 AM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: Re: Fluff: Re: Minix (Linux) on the palmtop.


Tamas Feher wrote:

> I would be happy even if only the VMS became available for IBM
> PC. In early 90's DEC made it; up to a bost-alpha test release and
> then it was abandoned. Why the damn hell can't Compaq release it
> into public domain for finishing development, at least for edu
> purposes?
>

VMS was not made in the 90s, I was using it in the 70s on a VAX 11.
You would not want it on a PC, it was very buggy,  crashed alot, and
was very expensive.  This was from DEC long before compaq.

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Fri,  2 Mar 2001 11:32:48 -0500 (EST)

FYI: correct URL is http://www.newdealinc.com

Cheers...AJKind

20h20m31s ago ...
On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Tony Kan wrote:

> Geos has been resurrected as NewDeal (see www.newdeal.com)...
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Barry writes:
> > David Becher Announced:
> >
> > PAL ASSEMBLY LANGUGAE SUPPLEMENT
> Did you determine how much space you saved doing this?

No, but this and some other tricks let me reduce PNR in size to the extent that
I could add MIME support to it, whereas before it was hitting the 64k code
limit of the small memory model. Dont forget that also a lot of run time
library code can be removed from the executable if you dont use it! For
example, the code of the int86x function calls.

An intersting test (which I didnt do) would be to take a simple program which
justs displays a dialog or something and build it under each version.
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Owen H. Morgan writes:
Ýmajor snip¨
> Oh, and in case you wondered, the OS is called EPOC and is found on Psion, Ericsson and Nokia palmtops amongst others.

I tend to agree with Owen regarding EPOC as a mature operating system for
handheld computers. The main reason while I am still with my trusty HPLX is that
I dont like the PSION HARDWARE.* I find the keyboard uncomfortable and I dislike
thet fact that the screen opens to only a fixed angle. But this is my PERSONAL
preference. If and when my HPLX dies, an EPOC machine will be my next palmtop.

(* I also have a lot of fun programming on the HPLX)
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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:55:21 +0100
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Chris Lott wrote:

> I can't comment on the VMS OS on a PC per-se, but I would *love* to
> have the DEC VMS command line interpreter available for a PC. That was
> one of my favorites.  I was just discussing yesterday with my business
> partner why we don't hear much about replacement command.com command
> line interpreters being, or having been, available for DOS...

They do exist... There's 4DOS, www.jpsoft.com, which works well on the LX
(even better if you have Expanded memory available). There's also a
freeware Korn Shell implementation that works too. Configuring it takes a
bit of time, though.

I think that what might keep your dream shell away from DOS (even if
someone sat down and tried to port/clone it) is the limits imposed by DOS,
such as the 127 (or 255?) char limit on the size of a command line, the
way DOS handles pipes, no concurrent processes, etc. This pretty much
rules out shell expansion of file patterns for instance, unless you have
very few files, and many of the "cool" things you'd do in a UNIX shell are
best done concurrent processes.

The Mortice-Kern-Systems Toolkit also came with a Korn shell, and I
believe they devised a way of allowing the shell to expand file patterns
and pass the command line on to the program being run, but without hitting
the MS-DOS command line limit (probably used a temporary file). Of course,
their method only worked with their own tools, or the (few) external
programs that were written to support it. This is another problem, the
many already exisiting DOS programs that would be confused if the command
line interpreter acted differently (again, pattern expansion is a good
example).

Old versions of the MKS toolkit also work great on the LX, but you will
probably have a hard time finding them. For the freeware Korn shell,
Simtel should have it. Simtel also has a number of other, more or less
complete, shells.


Cheers,

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Hi


Is it posssible to use  8-bit instead of  quoted-printable when
you read NG:s with PLUS?


Lars

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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:06:08 +0100
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Howdy.

I seem to remember that when I first started messing about with the LX, I =
couldn't get it to timeout and switch itself off for love nor money if it =
was connected to external power. Now it suddenly does. In fact, I had to =
put "LXSTAT T 0" in the batch file that runs my weatherfax software to =
avoid it switching off when it was idle between scheduled times. Is my =
memory playing tricks on me?

I've checked with LXSTAT, and the LX knows that it has external power. =
Anyway, the batteries would have been flat by now if the external power =
didn't work..

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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:26:42 -0500
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Comments: To: Laust Brock-Nannestad <laustbn@DIKU.DK>

There's a port of a bash-shell-like program for the palmtop that works well.
I forget where I got it but I know it works well. You can write shell
scripts as well.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Laust Brock-Nannestad" <laustbn@DIKU.DK>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: Fluff: Re: Minix (Linux) on the palmtop.


> On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Chris Lott wrote:
>
> > I can't comment on the VMS OS on a PC per-se, but I would *love* to
> > have the DEC VMS command line interpreter available for a PC. That was
> > one of my favorites.  I was just discussing yesterday with my business
> > partner why we don't hear much about replacement command.com command
> > line interpreters being, or having been, available for DOS...
>
> They do exist... There's 4DOS, www.jpsoft.com, which works well on the LX
> (even better if you have Expanded memory available). There's also a
> freeware Korn Shell implementation that works too. Configuring it takes a
> bit of time, though.
>
> I think that what might keep your dream shell away from DOS (even if
> someone sat down and tried to port/clone it) is the limits imposed by DOS,
> such as the 127 (or 255?) char limit on the size of a command line, the
> way DOS handles pipes, no concurrent processes, etc. This pretty much
> rules out shell expansion of file patterns for instance, unless you have
> very few files, and many of the "cool" things you'd do in a UNIX shell are
> best done concurrent processes.

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> Stefan Peichl wrote:
>
> However on my desktop QWERTZ keyboard,
> the scancode of Z is 15 hex, which is more
> correct because it is exactly it's location on
> the keyboard.

What is a QWERTZ keyboard?  Obviously it's a different
arrangement but I've never heard of this.  Where and when and
why is that used?

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Subject:      Geos on the HP200LX

I had GEOS on there at one point. it works but I did not find it useful.



> If I recall correctly, Tony Hutchings was running Geos on his
> hplx during the time of the old list.   After the new list got
> started, he didn't seem to show his face around here much
> anymore.   But if he is around, he is your man for Geos on the
> hplx.
>
> Domingo

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Yeah, anything that doesn't run on the 200LX is crap! I tried to inserted a
Nintendo cartridge in my LX and it didn't work.. crap! I then put a raw
hamburger on the keyboard and closed the keyboard ( ala 'George Foreman'
griil) but the burger would not cook. I guess the beef was crap. I then
tried to speak commands into my LX and it didn't respond... I guess the
English language is also crap (I haven't tried other languages.)

BTW:

Since this thread seems to be more about stupid inflamatory statements than
anything else, here's my contrinution:

All religions suck!!!
USA #1 !!!
American Cars are the best!!!
Anyone who is 'Pro-Choice' is an idiot !!!
Creationism is more accurate than evolution!!
Rock and Roll sucks!!
My operating system is better then you operating system!!
GW Bush stole the election!!
Microsoft is innocent!!
All women are bitches!!
My dad can beat up your dad!!







----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken London" <KenLondon@BELD.NET>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: HP in the news


> People keep saying how great Linux is.  As far as I can tell it is a
> miserable
> failure because it can't run on the 200lx.  That makes it no better than
> DOS.
> Windoze can't run on the 200lx either, but very few people are saying
> how
> great windoze is.  So if linux is a failiure on the 200lx, what good is
> it?
>
> If won't run on the 200lx it is no better than DOS.  What good is it?
>
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I wrote:

> Hi
>
> Is it posssible to use  8-bit instead of  quoted-printable when
> you read NG:s with PLUS?
>


I found how to toggle, I made the ordinary mistake to first
ask then look in the helpfiles<g>


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On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Ed Padin wrote:

> There's a port of a bash-shell-like program for the palmtop that works
> well. I forget where I got it but I know it works well. You can write
> shell scripts as well.

That's probably the Korn Shell I mentioned. Very configurable, but a bit
slow on a stock LX without any Expanded Memory (the .exe file is 200kb+,
which needs to be swapped out for running DOS programs...)

For anyone interested, the shell can be found here:

ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/unix/ms_sh23b.zip
(800kb download!)

I tried finding it on Simtel, but the new Simtel design/layout didn't
strike me as very useful...


Cheers,

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> Daniel Hertrich wrote:
>
> And at last, to become on-topic, it is
> NOT possible to run any kind of linux
> on the 200LX, since Linux needs at
> least a 386. Minix on the LX is too
> limited to be useful in my opinion. So
> we have to wait for the Morphy one,
> buy a Toshiba Libretto-like machine or
> carry a full-sized notebook to run linux
> on the road.

I used to have a Radio Shack Color Computer with 64k and a
single 160k floppy drive.  That was it.  No hard drive.

I had an OS for it called OS-9, made by Microware.  It was
basically a tiny but very clever and useful subset of unix, with
a few changes to accomodate it's size.  The system used 22k ram.
The rest was available for programs.  Some commands were disk
resident but the entire system only took up about 80k on a disk
if you didn't have all the configuration tools on it.  That did
include the assembler, debugger and editor (vi-like).

It used premptive multitasking.  The ampersand would run a
background task just as in unix.  You could connect a terminal
to the serial port and have 2 users.  We once found a way to
connect 3 users and it all ran fine.

It didn't have virtual memory, but since it was really a single
user system and most apps were small, and built in small
modules, that wasn't really needed.

Oh yeah, there was also a GUI for it later, although this was
before the name GUI was known.  It was before the first Mac hit
the market.  The Lisa might have been out then.  I'm not sure.
I think it was called Multi-view.  I think it used up 8k more
ram.  Never having seen or heard of a GUI before I thought this
was a silly idea that would never fly.  :)

Even though this was a very small subset of unix, it was a very
powerful and flexible and highly configurable OS.  I'm still
amazed that they packed so much into so little space.   The
whole thing was written in assembly.

It wouldn't be hard to develop a system on the 200lx like this.
It could leave more memory and disk space for the user than the
Dos does, even though Dos is in ROM.

I'm not actually suggesting that we do this.  I can't see any
use for it except as a toy to play with.  But it really might be
a lot of fun to play with something like that.

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On Friday, 02.03.2001 at 17:24 GMT, Barry  wrote:
> What is a QWERTZ keyboard?  Obviously it's a different
> arrangement but I've never heard of this.  Where and when and
> why is that used?
>
The QWERTZ keyboard is the German keyboard.
It has the Y and Z reversed (the Y is rarely used in German,
but we have a lot of Zs).

BTW. The French keyboard is called AZERTY. It is hard to handle for
someone not used to it because it has a lot more characters exchanged.

Ulrich Boche

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OS 9 <> Linux <> Unix

OS 9 was an advanced OS (for the time) *designed* for limited hardware in
common use.

Linux is an advanced OS *designed* for Linus's powerful 80386-based PC,
modeled after Unix..

Unix was an advanced OS designed for advanced hardware (PDP-11, ported onto
almost everything that was sufficiently robust).

Linux is *defined* by the kernel. Some refer to it as Gnj/Linux, since most
of the software included with Linux is from the GNU project (GNU -= GNU's
Not Unix, don't get me started).

To rewrite (different from port) the kernel to support the 80186 CPU would
be to create a new kernel, not Linux.

Is this clear? Sorry, best I could do.

OS 9 was designed for the 6809 CPU - a much different beastie from the Intel
family of CPUs.

Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry" <barry@FBTC.NET>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Linux vs Palm vs 200LX, was: HP in the news


> > Daniel Hertrich wrote:
> >
> > And at last, to become on-topic, it is
> > NOT possible to run any kind of linux
> > on the 200LX, since Linux needs at
> > least a 386. Minix on the LX is too
> > limited to be useful in my opinion. So
> > we have to wait for the Morphy one,
> > buy a Toshiba Libretto-like machine or
> > carry a full-sized notebook to run linux
> > on the road.
>
> I used to have a Radio Shack Color Computer with 64k and a
> single 160k floppy drive.  That was it.  No hard drive.
>
> I had an OS for it called OS-9, made by Microware.  It was
> basically a tiny but very clever and useful subset of unix, with
> a few changes to accomodate it's size.  The system used 22k ram.
> The rest was available for programs.  Some commands were disk
> resident but the entire system only took up about 80k on a disk
> if you didn't have all the configuration tools on it.  That did
> include the assembler, debugger and editor (vi-like).
>
> It used premptive multitasking.  The ampersand would run a
> background task just as in unix.  You could connect a terminal
> to the serial port and have 2 users.  We once found a way to
> connect 3 users and it all ran fine.
>
> It didn't have virtual memory, but since it was really a single
> user system and most apps were small, and built in small
> modules, that wasn't really needed.
>
> Oh yeah, there was also a GUI for it later, although this was
> before the name GUI was known.  It was before the first Mac hit
> the market.  The Lisa might have been out then.  I'm not sure.
> I think it was called Multi-view.  I think it used up 8k more
> ram.  Never having seen or heard of a GUI before I thought this
> was a silly idea that would never fly.  :)
>
> Even though this was a very small subset of unix, it was a very
> powerful and flexible and highly configurable OS.  I'm still
> amazed that they packed so much into so little space.   The
> whole thing was written in assembly.
>
> It wouldn't be hard to develop a system on the 200lx like this.
> It could leave more memory and disk space for the user than the
> Dos does, even though Dos is in ROM.
>
> I'm not actually suggesting that we do this.  I can't see any
> use for it except as a toy to play with.  But it really might be
> a lot of fun to play with something like that.
>
> Barry
>
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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:57:30 -0500
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              Larry Tachna <ltachna@ATT.NET>
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>>My dad can beat up your dad!!

that says it all right there now everyone go to timeout for 2 days!

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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:04:31 -0600
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> Ken London wrote:
>
> Can it really be that good an operating
> system if it won't run on the 200lx?

I love that logic.  I guess that means we can scrap Win2k,
Win98, NT, MacOS, unix, MVS and all those other silly OSes.
That will leave the world with Dos and a form of CP/M.  The
world doesn't need a computer with more than 640k RAM anyway.

That will also let us get rid of the expensive internet and go
back to a system of BBSs that pass mail around after midnight.
I may still have one of my old 300 baud modems.

Barry

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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:54:31 -0800
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              "Peter A. Castro" <doctor@FRUITBAT.ORG>
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Subject:      Re: Fluff: Re: Minix (Linux) on the palmtop.
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Ken London wrote:

> Tamas Feher wrote:
>
> > I would be happy even if only the VMS became available for IBM
> > PC. In early 90's DEC made it; up to a bost-alpha test release and
> > then it was abandoned. Why the damn hell can't Compaq release it
> > into public domain for finishing development, at least for edu
> > purposes?
>
> VMS was not made in the 90s, I was using it in the 70s on a VAX 11.
> You would not want it on a PC, it was very buggy,  crashed alot, and
> was very expensive.  This was from DEC long before compaq.

OK, *now* I know you're trolling, Ken.  I did network apps development on
the platform for 5 years.  It was quite stable and had some really great
features (eg: Clustering).  Most likely, the only think that crashed on
VMS was your applications, not the system.  I'll grant you VMS was very
large and expensive, but everything from DEC was :-)

(To everyone else, my appologies for the waste of bandwidth)

--
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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 21:35:16 +0000
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Subject:      Re: More info on corrupt, password-protected notes file
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My problem (see earlier posting) was very like Jeffreys. The only
difference was  I never had a password, but it kept asking for one. I
got "invalid file type" on the other DBase programs and "unable to open"
on the phone.pdb. It was solved when my.env and .ini files were right.It
froze several times and Ctrl shift on was required on some of these.

BTW,You will not be able to open notes if you delete the .env file and
LEAVE THE NOTES.NDB INTACT. I have just tried this in my effort to
reproduce my earlier problem. I deleted the note.env file and got
"cannot open file", but it did not produce the lockup I had earlier.
Probably because this time I only deleted one .env and no .ini. IMHO it
is a problem with the .envs and .ini files, since everything is working
perfectly now on my 5mb LX (The 32mb is on its way back from Thaddeus)
:-))

HTH
Richard


Longden Loo wrote:

> > It looks like the problem started when I tried to change the password
> from
> > one password to another.  I tried it again on a copy of my backup and it
> > corrupted the backup copy.  I restored it again and changed the password
> > to nothing, closed and reopened the file, and then set the new password.
> > That seemed to work.
>
> FWIW, I wasn't able to reproduce the problem on my 6mb/2x 200LX.  I quit
> NoteTaker, deleted notes.env and notes.ndb and reopened Notetaker ... got
> the welcome screen and a blank notes.ndb which I added one entry and
> password protected.
>
>

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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 23:03:16 +0200
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              Daniel Hertrich <d.hertrich@GMX.DE>
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Hi Adrian and friends,

On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 11:17:34 +0800 (SGT), Adrian Ho <aholx@mailandnews.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Daniel Hertrich wrote:
>
> > Actually, I didn't want to chime in that fluff thread, but
> > now I can't stand all that crap about linux anymore ;-)
>

> Ý...¨

> Conclusions (both positive and negative) based on _other_
> people's opinions, and without personal experience, are another
> matter entirely.  I wouldn't call them "crap" either, but I'm
> not sure what term to use.  "Misguided", perhaps?

You're right, of course. I'm sorry if anyone here felt offended by my
words. Personal opinions are not crap, that's for sure.

What I meant with crap was what a few people here said about Linux
that's definitely wrong, for example that it is in general less stable
than Windows and such things.
Of course it _can_ be less stable, but if it is, you probably have
misconfigured something.

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:14:16 -0600
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Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> i'm sorry - the IKEA batteries are really yellow now.
> (but they WERE green/gray, I swear! ;-) )
> Yesterday I bought 10 AAs for 5 DM (2.5 US$). "Produced by Varta for
> IKEA" is written on them. The product description says "MN1500". Does
> that say something about capacity??
>
> Nice cheap batteries - makes me considering replacing the rechargeables
> by these batteries in daily use...

The IKEA in Chicago sells both the yellow
batteries and the green/gray batteries.  If
you read the fine print you will see that the
yellow batteries are made in Germany by
Varta, and the gray/green batteries are made
in China.  The price is the same for both,
US$1.95 for a pack of 10.  I bought a few
of both to try.

Evan

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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:36:44 -0500
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"Peter A. Castro" wrote:

> OK, *now* I know you're trolling, Ken.  I did network apps development on
> the platform for 5 years.  It was quite stable and had some really great
> features (eg: Clustering).  Most likely, the only think that crashed on
> VMS was your applications, not the system.  I'll grant you VMS was very
> large and expensive, but everything from DEC was :-)

In general the entire system crashed very often, Many times when I had no
applications running.

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Date:         Sat, 3 Mar 2001 00:06:05 +0100
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Dear Barry,

I wrote to the list about three weeks ago,

>> With a macro, I want to Xtract a range from
>> a worksheet and save it to a file WITH A NAME
>> CONTAINED IN ONE OF THE CELLS.....
>>
>> Question: Can I substitute the question mark
>>  after /fsv which pauses the macro to allow the
>> name to be input by hand, with something that
>> quotes the contents of a cell ?

and you answered,

>You can do that.....
>Something like this:

 AC AB >10 {GOTO}AB12~{?} >11 {DOWN}/FS >12 the name will go
here >13 ~ >14 here you need the keys to do the confirm >dance
123 does before saving >they'll depend on whether the sheet is
>being replaced or created....

Thanks to your advice I could adapt your proposal to my case
and it works flawlessly ! The most important change is that I
have put instead of the file name a function which refers to
it (@string(K2,0), as I keep changing the file name in K2 all
the time and as there is no space around K2 to put the code
there in a column.

I have not answered before be because I was an a 10 day trip
and was not able to dedicate the necessary 10 minutes to the
problem.

Thank you very much for your help.

Best regards

Winfried

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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 15:58:49 -0800
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              "Peter A. Castro" <doctor@FRUITBAT.ORG>
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Subject:      Re: Fluff: Re: Minix (Linux) on the palmtop.
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, KenLondon wrote:

> "Peter A. Castro" wrote:
>
> > OK, *now* I know you're trolling, Ken.  I did network apps development on
> > the platform for 5 years.  It was quite stable and had some really great
> > features (eg: Clustering).  Most likely, the only think that crashed on
> > VMS was your applications, not the system.  I'll grant you VMS was very
> > large and expensive, but everything from DEC was :-)
>
> In general the entire system crashed very often, Many times when I had no
> applications running.

Most likely a hardware problem.  I remember our old 11/750 had a disk
controller go out once.  The system continued to run, only logging
complaints about the controller.  I recall it only fell over once (blew a
memory board).  Replaced the board and it was back up in no time (wasn't
cheap, though).  Most others who I've talked with concerning VAX hardware
have has similar good experiences.  I guess yours was just one of the
unlucky ones.  It happens.

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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:27:50 -0700
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Subject:      Re: Fluff: Re: Minix (Linux) on the palmtop.
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Peter A. Castro wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, KenLondon wrote:
> > "Peter A. Castro" wrote:
> > > OK, *now* I know you're trolling, Ken.  I did network apps development on
> > > the platform for 5 years.  It was quite stable and had some really great
> > > features (eg: Clustering).  Most likely, the only think that crashed on
> > > VMS was your applications, not the system.  I'll grant you VMS was very
> > > large and expensive, but everything from DEC was :-)
> >
> > In general the entire system crashed very often, Many times when I had no
> > applications running.
>
> Most likely a hardware problem.  I remember our old 11/750 had a disk
> controller go out once.  The system continued to run, only logging
> complaints about the controller.  I recall it only fell over once (blew a
> memory board).  Replaced the board and it was back up in no time (wasn't
> cheap, though).  Most others who I've talked with concerning VAX hardware
> have has similar good experiences.  I guess yours was just one of the
> unlucky ones.  It happens.

I seem to recall reading a couple years ago about an 11/750 in
the UK that hadn't been rebooted since 1983 and was still
running.

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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 18:55:24 -0600
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              Evan Person <eperson@MEDIAONE.NET>
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> I seem to recall reading a couple years ago about an 11/750 in
> the UK that hadn't been rebooted since 1983 and was still
> running.

It must have been running Ultrix.  Anyone who has
had to endure the pain of doing software development
on VMS feels like they've died and gone to heaven
when they've made the transition to UNIX.  At least
I did.  I still occasionally have to do VMS development,
only enough to remind me of the bad old days and to
make me want to run back to UNIX.

Evan

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Date:         Fri, 2 Mar 2001 23:27:53 -0000
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              Owen Samuelson <owensam@MINDSPRING.COM>
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>
> Not with any flash ram cards that I know of.
>
> Whatever you write to the card generally stays there till
you take it off
> (unless it sits for a couple of years).
>
> - Longden

I remember somewhere I saw that data retention for my
sandisk card was
something like 100 years. I hope I live to verify that. I
know my 200lx will.

Hello Longden.

Owen

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Date:         Sat, 3 Mar 2001 09:03:54 +0100
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              HP Staber <hpstaber@COMPUSERVE.COM>
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>
> > Stefan Peichl wrote:
> >
> > However on my desktop QWERTZ keyboard,
> > the scancode of Z is 15 hex, which is more
> > correct because it is exactly it's location on
> > the keyboard.
>
> What is a QWERTZ keyboard?  Obviously it's a different
> arrangement but I've never heard of this.  Where and when and
> why is that used?

German keybords have the Y and the Z key swapped compared to the
English keyboard. QWERTZ is then the 6 letters on the left side of the
first row of the keyboard.

Anyway : thanks for the explanation, Stefan. However the existing
PalEdit setup/macros run in PALRUN environment but not in PALMPC
environment. There must be something more with PALMPC.

HP Staber/Salzburg

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Date:         Sat, 3 Mar 2001 01:06:38 -0700
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It's a slow Friday night on the list and I'm still at work after
a very long day, so I thought I'd waste a little bandwidth.

I upgraded my web server at home today (HPLX-L archives,
LX-Mapblast pages, etc).  It could no longer handle updating
all the indexes for the archive search, and was starting to get
overwhelmed in other tasks as well. Now it has twice the ram,
and about 3 times the cpu power. That should be sufficient for a
while.

Anyway, I generated stats for the website and thought I'd share
a few of the more interesting bits. I get a little over 2200
hits per day on average. A lot of these are webcrawlers for
google,etc., or people coming to my site from their search
pages. The log files contain the search terms they used. Many
people come looking for "crack"s for various software. Of course
the dreaded hinge crack has made that a common word in the list.
"abandonware" is also a popular search term. Oddly,
"abondonware" (with an o) isn't too far behind. Strangest
though is the most popular search phrase, "autopsy pictures", at
157 requests. Some wierd people out there.

Looking at Browser types, WWW/LX makes a good showing at third
place after MS explorer and Netscape. It's a distant third, but
it does beat out all the other browsers.

The LX-Mapblast pages continue to be popular. Over 8000 maps so
far have been served. I've found a few more sites sending
requests to scripts on my server to run their own pages. Most
are just little sites, with little traffic. One I found quite
surprising though. There's a page on Comcast Corporations
website (Comcast Cable, Comcast@Home, QVC, Philadelphia 76ers
and Flyers, etc.) using my driving directions script. You'd
think they would have someone in house that could set it up.
Actually I don't find it annoying, but rather quite
amusing. This huge corporation, with several internet companies,
sneaking in and using the services of my little personal
webserver.

Well, sorry for wasting all the bandwidth, but at least it
wasn't about linux, which of course is running the server, but
that's another thread.

Cheers,
Mike Kopplin

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Didn't IBM dictated that you can have 16k RAM, 64k RAM if you
are very serious and who could ever use 128k RAM, hence a
hard beyond-the-end-of-the-world limit of 640k architectural limit
for DOS in 1981 (or 1980?)?

Alfred

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry <barry@FBTC.NET>
To: HPLX-L@uconnvm.uconn.edu <HPLX-L@uconnvm.uconn.edu>
Date: Friday, March 02, 2001 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: HP in the news ÝFLUFF¨



Ýdelete¨

>That will leave the world with Dos and a form of CP/M.  The
>world doesn't need a computer with more than 640k RAM anyway.
>

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Date:         Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:31:53 +0100
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Hi again.

I'm replying to my own posting for once...

I wrote (>):

> I seem to remember that when I first started
> messing about with the LX, I couldn't get it to
> timeout and switch itself off for love nor money
> if it was connected to external power. Now it
> suddenly does.

I figured it out.

> I've checked with LXSTAT, and the LX knows that it
> has external power. Anyway, the batteries would
> have been flat by now if the external power didn't
> work..

The batteries _were_ flat! I still don't understand why it switched itself =
off when connected to external power in spite of LXSTAT T 0. As long as =
external power is present, the state of the batteries shouldn't matter?

I seem to remember someone said there are issues with using the built in =
battery charger, so I'd disabled it and just set up an appointment to =
switch the charger on for an hour once a week. Since I always use the LX =
with external power, I would have thought this was enough, but clearly it =
wasn't. Anybody have any idea how much battery charging per week would be =
enough to keep the NiMh's up when the LX is always on external power, or =
maybe I'd be better off using alkalines. How long would a set of alkalines =
last if I always use external power?

PS. I can't use the built in charging software or any of the third party =
ones because the HFFAX software takes over the interrupts, so they won't =
work.

Owen
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Date:         Sun, 4 Mar 2001 01:58:57 +1300
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Ooops.  its www.newdealinc.com  Yes, Newdeal works on top of DOS.
Cheers
Tony.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew King Ýmailto:aking5@mediaone.net¨
Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2001 02:37
To: tony.kan@CLEAR.NET.NZ
Cc: omnilist@elektro.cmhnet.org
Subject: Geos OS for omnibook?


Quoted from the HPLX mailing list:

>Subject: Re: FLUFF: Re: HP in the news
>   Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:12:17 +1300
>   From: Tony Kan <tony.kan@CLEAR.NET.NZ>
>
>Geos has been resurrected as NewDeal (see www.newdeal.com).  It only
>supports 286 AT class computers and above.  Notwithstanding that, it >gives
80-90% of the functionality of MS Windows/MS Office while only >taking up
10Mb of HDD space.  Its breathed new life into my 486 >Thinkpad 701c!  For
example, NewDeal has a built in word processor, >flat file database and
spreadsheet.  Lots of people still have the >earlier Geoworks which does
work on an XT class machine and these >early versions are still file
compatible with NewDeal.
>HTH

Tony, I tried the URL for newdeal but couldn't find it.
This looks like just the thing for the early Omnibooks so I'm
copying this to the omnibook list.
Does NewDeal run on top of DOS? My Omnibook 435 boots to DOS
5.0.
I think an OS that runs on top of DOS would be preferable since
some of the hardware in the Omnibook is not entirely standard.b
Does anyone else on the Omnibook list know anything about
Geos/Newdeal?


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> He was just kidding.  I'm sure Nathalie knows
> that ... she's pretty smart
> ....  even on low batteries.
>
> - Longden
>
    and kute too...

yor pal al.

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I was under the impression that the memory map of the first IBM PCs was
dictated by the design of the 8088 CPU, that the unit fit everything inside
a 1 Meg address space because that made it easier to program, design the
hardware, etc.

Also, remember how much RAM a mainframe had in those days - 16 Meg on a
mainframe was a reasonable memory size, IIRC -of course that is 16 Meg of
Words, wich on the mainframe was something like 24 or 32 bits wide, with a
very good paging/swap mechanisim. MVS only supported 16 Meg memory sizes
until MVS/XA came out and opened up the are above the 16 Meg "boundry".

Thus ends the history lesson ;¬)

Ken
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From: "Alfred Lee" <alfred1520@YAHOO.COM>
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Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 4:32 AM
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> Didn't IBM dictated that you can have 16k RAM, 64k RAM if you
> are very serious and who could ever use 128k RAM, hence a
> hard beyond-the-end-of-the-world limit of 640k architectural limit
> for DOS in 1981 (or 1980?)?
>
> Alfred
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry <barry@FBTC.NET>
> To: HPLX-L@uconnvm.uconn.edu <HPLX-L@uconnvm.uconn.edu>
> Date: Friday, March 02, 2001 4:36 PM
> Subject: Re: HP in the news ÝFLUFF¨
>
>
>
> Ýdelete¨
>
> >That will leave the world with Dos and a form of CP/M.  The
> >world doesn't need a computer with more than 640k RAM anyway.
> >
>
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> Jimmy said:
>
> GEOS is well suited for devices with
> touch-screen capability. But the 200LX
> does not have it so is there any point
> to run it on one?

Geos can work with touch screens but it was designed for use
with a keyboard.  Touch screen capability was added later when
it began to be used on PDAs.

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Hi!
I've got a problem with my 48MB San-Disk. Anyhow I sometimes
cannot write to it. There are some (I don't know how many) bad
allocation units on it. How can I mark them or remove them?
I tried to use Windows to mark them, but it only marked some of
them. It didn't examine the whole flash disk. I used scandisk's
"surface analysis" (is that right in English?).

Regards,
Stephan

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Chris Lott wrote:
>
> I was just discussing yesterday with my
> business partner why we don't hear much
> about replacement command.com
> command line interpreters being, or
> having been, available for DOS...

4Dos was one command.com replacement that got a little bit
popular for a while.  I seem to remember there was another one
but I can't think what it was.

I used 4Dos for a short time and I liked it.  It was a
significant improvement over dos 3.x.  A lot of the same
improvements were added to dos 4 and 5.

The problem with having a better command line interpreter is
that you don't have the same command line interpreter that
others have.  Using it at home it was different than my computer
at work.  When I put it on my computer at work it was different
than everyone else's computer.  It was close enough that there
weren't major problems but there were enough small problems that
I finally removed it.

My initial purpose in trying it was to evaluate it for the whole
company.  But as soon as you call tech support for some problem
they blame it on 4Dos.  And you have to tell them because
there's always the chance that might really be the problem.
Tech support became very poor.

Someone in a previous post said that if you really know anything
about computers you don't use tech support.  That's cute.  I
know enough about computers that I can analyze any problem with
any combination of software and hardware, given enough time.
I'm not quite sure how my boss would have felt about me pouring
over disassemblies of the programs we use looking for a conflict
that turns out to be a known problem that I could have found in
10 minutes with a phone call.

Well, that's not true.  I'm pretty sure how he would have felt
about that. :)

Also we had a few pretty savvy users who called tech support on
their own when they ran into a problem with a commercial
program.  It wouldn't pay to make that difficult for them.  Of
course this was in the days before networks forced us to control
everything.

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Date:         Sat, 3 Mar 2001 16:26:29 +0200
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Hi friends,

as some of you know I'm always collecting palmtop parts and sometimes
I'm able to build a new machine when I've got enough parts.

Thanks to Helmuth G|nther (Helmuth, you know why ;-)) the time has
come again :-¨ (almost):

What I still need is a keyboard foil. I speak of this one with the
little blobs which are responsible for the key klicks and which
establish the contacts if you press a key (a transparent foil with
black dots, one dot per key).

Of course also an entire keyboard would help, maybe someone has one
left with broken keys or so.

Please offer, if you have. Preferrably in Europe, and write how much you
would like to get for it.

Thanks a lot!!
GTX
daniel

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Laust Brock-Nannestad wrote:
>
> The Mortice-Kern-Systems Toolkit also
> came with a Korn shell, and I believe
> they devised a way of allowing the shell
> to expand file patterns and pass the
> command line on to the program being
> run, but without hitting the MS-DOS
> command line limit (probably used a
> temporary file).

This should be fairly straightforward using your own command
line interpreter.  It could accept any command line length you
choose.  It would only have to be sure that only 127 characters
was passed to any given program because of the PSP.

Offhand, I can't think of any other restrictions.

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> The batteries _were_ flat! I still don't understand why it switched
itself off
> when connected to external power in spite of LXSTAT T 0. As long as
external
> power is present, the state of the batteries shouldn't matter?

That's my understanding also.  Could be that there was a burp in your AC?
A disruption coupled with flat batteries would've shut things down pretty
fast.

> I seem to remember someone said there are issues with using the built in
battery
> charger, so I'd disabled it and just set up an appointment to switch the
charger
> on for an hour once a week. Since I always use the LX with external
power, I
> would have thought this was enough, but clearly it wasn't. Anybody have
any idea
> how much battery charging per week would be enough to keep the NiMh's up
when
> the LX is always on external power, or maybe I'd be better off using
alkalines.
> How long would a set of alkalines last if I always use external power?

I have my LX plugged into AC at work 8-10 hours per day.  That kind of
usage coupled with the occasional need to use it unplugged leaves me having
to recharge the NiMHs once every couple of months or so.

As a test, you might want to fully charge the NiMHs and check the charge
level daily for a week or so.  The charge shouldn't drop significantly with
the LX plugged in continuously, but then NiMHs are notorious for high
self-discharge rates and the 1hour per week of recharge may not be
compensating enough.  Just a guess ... it could be that your batteries have
a higher self-discharge rate than usual.

> PS. I can't use the built in charging software or any of the third party
ones
> because the HFFAX software takes over the interrupts, so they won't work.

You might just have to try different brands of batteries.

Also, if the LX is always on AC and the AAs are simply a backup ... you
might want to consider switching to non-rechargeable lithium AAs which have
a long shelf life (5 years).

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Date:         Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:36:52 -0800
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> I've got a problem with my 48MB San-Disk. Anyhow I sometimes
> cannot write to it. There are some (I don't know how many) bad
> allocation units on it. How can I mark them or remove them?
> I tried to use Windows to mark them, but it only marked some of
> them. It didn't examine the whole flash disk. I used scandisk's
> "surface analysis" (is that right in English?).

Bad allocation units are fixed using either scandisk or "chkdsk /f".

But it sounds like you're talking about bad clusters if you did a scandisk
"surface analysis", which can include the main disk data areas as well as
the file allocation table (FAT).

Scandisk should've been able to mark all unreadable clusters as bad.  If
that didn't work, I'd try another utility, like Norton.

It could also be that you have a defective card.

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Date:         Sat, 3 Mar 2001 17:43:55 +0100
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Howdy!

Martin Bergvill wrote (>):

> If we can get some more info from the zip vs
> Hplx guy you could maybe throw out your
> laptop and use the Hplx for zip drive access :-)

I was thinking about this. If we could hook him up with a very smart EPOC =
developer / C++ programmer, we could probably get a driver for EPOC too.

>> I do _ALL_ my serious computing on the
>> palmtop.

> "Palmtop" as in "Hplx" or "Palmtop" as in "Mc218"? :-)

MC218 of course. I said "serious computing". (Ooops! Better get into my =
flameproof suit fast... :o)

> I have one mind and need just one application
> at a time, but soon I have a SC DS 64mb
> Hplx..

So how much do you have to pay for your LX on steroids? You can pick up a =
second hand MC218 or 5mx for around NOK 2500 - 3000 (USD 260 - 315) on QXL. =
Of course you'd need a 48Mb CF to bring it up to 64Mb. I know _you_ don't =
like the keyboard on the S5 based machines, but I do, and there are a few =
million people in the world who use these computers every day and do like =
the keyboard, so you're outvoted... You probably just need to get used to =
it.

> Then I maybe could do what you do but do I
> need to do it?

You couldn't, could you? AFAIK, there is no way you could make the LX =
download anything in the background while you're working in the foreground. =
Anyway, that isn't the main reason I like my multitasking OS. I just =
started Navigator packing some _big_ database files to a ZIP archive while =
I type this. Oh, I checked, it's finished! I like not having to sit around =
waiting for that.

I find it very useful to be able to have my most used applications open all =
the time so I can get instant access. For instance if the phone rings while =
I'm typing this e-mail and I need to take notes or dig out an address or =
something, I can go to the contacts application instantly without saving =
the e-mail or closing the application. I know this is possible on the LX =
too, but that is with third party software. In EPOC it's an integral part =
of the OS, and we take it for granted. On the LX it's really only for =
advanced users like you lot. Another useful feature is cutting and pasting =
across applications etc. I have some very smart macros that use this =
capability for archiving e-mails to database files etc.

> Yes I already guessed :-). Nokia has Epoc on
> their 9000 (Geos??) and 9110 soon the 9210
> _phones_ with pim cabability . But they are
> _not_ palmtops.

The 9000 and 9110 have Geos, but Nokia dropped it in favour of EPOC for the =
9210. IIRC the OS on the 9000 / 9110 is rather limited and there isn't much =
software for it. I have no idea if this is a limitation of GEOS or the =
implementation on the Nokia.

As far as I understand, the EPOC 9210 has all, or most of the software on a =
standard S5, S5mx, MC218 or Revo, so in my mind it's really just a palmtop =
with a phone built in. Apart from the phone, I believe there is very little =
practical difference between a Revo and a Nokia 9210. How does the built in =
phone stop it from being a palmtop? The Ericsson R380 phone / PIM also runs =
EPOC, but that is a limited edition with no possibillity of adding third =
party applications etc., so that's why I didn't mention it.

> You have this advanced epoc Os but you can
> not get the line length down to the required
> length

Required by whom? I don't like e-mail software that hacks my text into =
little bits with a CR on every line. That's not the way _proper_ word =
processing software should work!

> which I can with this "outdated dying machine"
> running Www/lx. :-))

I often send manuscripts for articles etc. as e-mail, and would hate it if =
they were hacked into little bits, and so would my Mom who proof-reads for =
me and the editors who would have to go through my manuscripts and remove =
all the unwanted CR's! I can make my MC218 do this if I want to by =
disabling MIME, but if I do that, any attachments I send will be uuencoded.

> (Yes when I read the message my
> mail program wraps the lines and everything is
> okey, but when I reply your lines
> are _very_ long)

I use a nice freeware macro on my MC218 which does a very good job of =
cutting the text into bits and inserting the ( >) when I reply to e-mails.

> (Owen I am just pulling you leg :-))

Can you please pull the other one? I've got a limp!

> About 200km from you and your sailboat :-)

Please, please I don't want 200km legs. They won't fit into my bed! Around =
10m would be OK. That would make it easy to change the lightbulb in my =
anchor light...

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Date:         Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:38:37 -0800
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I keep getting an error downloading the file. It blows up on me during the
last second. Anyone else have that error? Any suggestions?

Mike...

> Ooops.  its www.newdealinc.com  Yes, Newdeal works on top of DOS.
> Cheers
> Tony.

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Hi Ken,

On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:09:38 -0500, Ken London <KenLondon@BELD.NET> wrote:

> People keep saying how great Linux is.  As far as I can tell it is a
> miserable
> failure because it can't run on the 200lx.  That makes it no better than
> DOS.

So, also software such as SAP or Adobe Photoshop or SimCity 2000 are
failures?? Ken, what you say here is a little bit - excuse me -
...strange.
The 200LX is a great machine, but it is not the center of the world.
There is also software around that's _not_ designed to run on the 200LX.
Believe it or not.

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Sat, 3 Mar 2001 18:16:28 -0500
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Longden Loo writes:
> > The batteries _were_ flat! I still don't understand why it switched
> itself off
> > when connected to external power in spite of LXSTAT T 0. As long as
> external
> > power is present, the state of the batteries shouldn't matter?
>
> That's my understanding also.  Could be that there was a burp in your AC?
> A disruption coupled with flat batteries would've shut things down pretty
> fast.

Ah.  That triggered a thought.  My 200LX will sometimes power off when
I *think* it's on AC.  I usually find the adaptor plug isn't fully seated
in the socket and it was actually running on batteries.

Ted

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Daniel Hertrich wrote:
>
>
> So, also software such as SAP or Adobe Photoshop or SimCity 2000 are
> failures?? Ken, what you say here is a little bit - excuse me -
> ...strange.
> The 200LX is a great machine, but it is not the center of the world.
> There is also software around that's _not_ designed to run on the 200LX.
> Believe it or not.
>
There is a DOS version of SimCity 2000, we have it. (No, it will
not run on the HP200, ha).
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Date:         Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:45:16 -0500
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Bryan Biggers wrote:

> > The 200LX is a great machine, but it is not the center of the world.

I beg to differ, as far as I'm concerned it is.........

Nothing out there approaches the 200lx in usefullness.

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Date:         Sat, 3 Mar 2001 20:05:25 -0800
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If someone wrote a PIM for Windows to do all the things the 200Lx could do,
and then came up with companion software for a palm that could do all the
things the 200Lx could do, would that/ could that replace the 200Lx?

Mike...

Ken London wrote:

> Bryan Biggers wrote:
>
> > > The 200LX is a great machine, but it is not the center of the world.
>
> I beg to differ, as far as I'm concerned it is.........
>
> Nothing out there approaches the 200lx in usefullness.
>
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Mike Schneider wrote:

> If someone wrote a PIM for Windows to do all the things the 200Lx could do,
> and then came up with companion software for a palm that could do all the
> things the 200Lx could do, would that/ could that replace the 200Lx?

No....the beuaty of the 200lx is that it uses DOS software..much of which
I already had.  Don't have a palm so I don't care what it did.....

No device (even the palm) comes close to the 200lx.

I would note that they have tried, it is called Windose CE and it is a
miserable failure.

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Date:         Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:42:29 -0600
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Ken, I didn't write that... I must have quoted it in something
that I wrote. Note the telltale multiple >>>
  Bryan


Ken London wrote:
>
> Bryan Biggers wrote:
>
> > > The 200LX is a great machine, but it is not the center of the world.
>
> I beg to differ, as far as I'm concerned it is.........
>
> Nothing out there approaches the 200lx in usefullness.

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Date:         Sat, 3 Mar 2001 20:59:42 -0800
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My old eyes don't like the screen of the 200Lx much any more. It's getting too
hard to see the characters. You can imagine my disappointment when the backlight
project went on the back burner. So I started looking for alternatives. I started
with my Libretto. I run the connectivity pack to get the functionality of the
200Lx. I grabbed a copy of Lotus 1-2-3 to round it out!

Problem is, the Libretto doesn't fit in my pocket, so I end up without anything
most of the time. Hmmm how do I fix that? My thought was if I could do all the
200Lx  stuff (i.e connectivity pack) on the libretto, and sync with a palm,
wouldn't that be cool? All it takes is a good programmer, and a good idea...

Just had to share that with you all. I enjoy my messy dos, and use it to run qb45
and pb35 and wouldn't give it up for anything.

Mike...

P.S. I tried Win CE and it was a dismal failure. I took it back to the store with
a list of reasons (13 to be exact) why I didn't want it!.

Ken London wrote:

> Mike Schneider wrote:
>
>
> No....the beuaty of the 200lx is that it uses DOS software..much of which
> I already had.  Don't have a palm so I don't care what it did.....
>
> I would note that they have tried, it is called Windose CE and it is a
> miserable failure.

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Hello ,

  can you use doskey (on the d:\ drive) with software carousel? I
  tried it and it said that you couldn't.  Is there a work around?
  What do others use for dos macro functions with sc?  What I am
  trying to do is to use a one key or two key function to load a wk1
  file automatically.  Maybe s/o else has a better alternative? btw I
  also am using buddy, maybe that will help.
  TIA

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Date:         Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:19:48 -0500
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Subject:      SHASS-200BUDDY

I am looking to find out, is the programmer of SHASS-The Shopping
Assistant available for messages?  I have sent to his CIS Compuserve
address and my messages always return "undeliverable".  Is anyone knowing
where is he at?

Also, is a 200BUDDY available for non-English HP 200LX?

I am thankful for all help.

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Bryan Biggers wrote:

> Ken, I didn't write that... I must have quoted it in something
> that I wrote. Note the telltale multiple >>>

Shame on you Bryan for picking on Ken for this. He has been misquoted
dozens of times!  He is just balancing out the scale here! He will not
apologize for misquoting nor stop misquoting people, until he receives
very sincere and individual apologies, from each person who has misquoted
him in his duration on the list. So all people, apologize to Ken for
your errors to him! I will start, Ken I apologize for misquoting you
below.

Ken London wrote:

> I am Ken.  I am a ninny who posts all times without knowing what
> I talk about.  In all likelihood I did fall on my head when I was
> a baby.

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Date:         Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:28:27 +0200
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Hi friends,

I'd like to synchronize my 200LX phone book and note file with my REX3.
Using Chris' utility, it is possible, but not very convenient,
expescially when it comes to the notes.

Since I'm not very familiar with the system macros, I'd like to ask a
few questions:

Is it possible to use variables in system macros (I'd have to use
something like a "for" loop with increasing counter to save the notes
as single files
note1.txt
note2.txt
etc.)

Is it possible to run a DOS program directly from a system macro
(Chris' programs in this case)?

What the macro should do in general is

1. opening the notes application
2. print the current note to a file, using the data card format, naming
   the file note_x.txt, x is 1 for the first note
3. Look if there is one more note,
   if yes, increase x and jump to 2.
   if not, jump to 4.
4. close the notes application
5. doing the REX phone book and notes conversion (DOS program)
6. writing the binary REX file to the REX (DOS program)

Do you think this is possible with a system macro? Or could gdbio be
used for steps 2-4?
Or maybe anyone already has such a solution he wants to share?

TNX a lot
daniel

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Date:         Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:15:06 +0000
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> Hello ,
>
>   can you use doskey (on the d:\ drive) with software carousel? I
>   tried it and it said that you couldn't.  Is there a work around?
>   What do others use for dos macro functions with sc?  What I am
>   trying to do is to use a one key or two key function to load a wk1
>   file automatically.  Maybe s/o else has a better alternative? btw I
>   also am using buddy, maybe that will help.
>   TIA

I use something called Toddy (and I know others do, also).

I'm not sure if it is available on the hpfiles site but should be
available out there somewhere (I've had it for years)

The only issue I've run into, is that if you use any program that can
automatically swap SC sessions (I have setup some "task switching
sessions batch files), if toddy is loaded in the receiving session, you
cannot pass it keystrokes - they disappear.  Whereas if I swap to a SC
session in which toddy is not loaded, then I can pass that new session
keystrokes in advance and it will load a program or do other things.

I believe that this "disappearing keystrokes issue" occurs with all dos
macro programs or most of them.

Good luck

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Date:         Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:05:32 -0700
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I am trying to get a copy of IBM DisplayWrite4, version 2 Mod 02 to run on
my 8M HP200LX. Have you ever seen the message:

Software Error
*0023* 1A00 0100 12262 06E4 0189 0898 90

It runs fine on a Toshiba Pentium laptop but this message appears right
after the splash screen appears.

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Ciao!
I have an HP200LX with a 30M PCCard.
I would like a software to write offline my mail on the HP200, then to send
the mail running this software on the Pccard in the PC.

Any help? (Pegasus for DOS?)

giampi

P.S.: excuse me for my english!

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Date:         Sun, 4 Mar 2001 20:29:43 +0100
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Ciao!
I have an HP200LX with a 30M PCCard.
I would like a software to write offline my mail on the HP200, then to send
the mail running this software on the Pccard in the PC.

Any help? (Pegasus for DOS?)

giampi

P.S.: excuse me for my english!


giampi

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Date:         Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:26:40 -0700
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Both Pegasus for DOS and Goin' Postal will work as you
desire them to. I think Goin' Postal is smaller in size and
perhaps better suited to your PC cards size if you have
other programs and files on it.

BTW... here's one for the group. I had heard quite a long
time ago that there was a version of Eudora for DOS. When I
looked around the internet I saw where some folks were
saying Eudora was always and only Windows based. Has anyone
on the list ever actually used Eudora for DOS or still have
a copy to sell?

Bob

 Bob Christopher  Littleton, Colorado USA  bob@palmtop.com
                      HP 200-LX Palmtop
                    = DOS Were The Days =

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Date:         Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:47:28 -0500
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Hi Mike,

What was the URL to your driving directions server again?

Thanks again, Mike. :-)

Cheers!

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WWW/LX can do that! Visit D&A .


HTH

Qman...

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Ciao!
I have an HP200LX with a 30M PCCard.
I would like a software to write offline my mail on the HP200, then to send
the mail running this software on the Pccard in the PC.

Any help? (Pegasus for DOS?)

giampi

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On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:54:15 -0500, Ken London wrote:

>I know of several companies who tried linux on their systems and
>have ended up with huge bills for customer service to straighten
>things out, some of these individuals are very tech savy and have
>had lots of problems.  For them linux was the biggest mistake of
>their lives.

Do you work for Microsoft?  Your venom and hatred of Linux is only =
matched
by Microsoft's former underhand methods to undermine it - which failed.

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On Sat, 3 Mar 2001 20:59:42 -0800, Mike Schneider wrote:

>My old eyes don't like the screen of the 200Lx much any more. It's =
getting too
>hard to see the characters. You can imagine my disappointment when the =
backlight
>project went on the back burner. So I started looking for alternatives. =
I started
>with my Libretto. I run the connectivity pack to get the functionality =
of the
>200Lx. I grabbed a copy of Lotus 1-2-3 to round it out!

Have you considered spectacles? It comes to us all eventually :(

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Date:         Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:49:07 +0100
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              HP Staber <hpstaber@COMPUSERVE.COM>
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> Also, is a 200BUDDY available for non-English HP 200LX?

Ther is no non-English Buddy availlable. I have used it on my German
palmtop and it was OK.

HP Staber/Salzburg

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Date:         Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:02:28 +0100
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              "Guenther Helmuth E." <h_e_guenther@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
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Giampi,

I use POST/LX for exactly the same purpose.

Have a look at

http://www.dasoft.com

Kind regards

Helmuth

> Ciao!
> I have an HP200LX with a 30M PCCard.
> I would like a software to write offline my mail on the HP200, then to =
send
> the mail running this software on the Pccard in the PC.
>
> Any help? (Pegasus for DOS?)
>
> giampi
>
> P.S.: excuse me for my english!
>
> giampi
>
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Date:         Sun, 4 Mar 2001 16:19:49 -0500
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              Ken London <KenLondon@BELD.NET>
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Neil Tungate wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:54:15 -0500, Ken London wrote:
>
> >I know of several companies who tried linux on their systems and
> >have ended up with huge bills for customer service to straighten
> >things out, some of these individuals are very tech savy and have
> >had lots of problems.  For them linux was the biggest mistake of
> >their lives.
>
> Do you work for Microsoft?  Your venom and hatred of Linux is only matched
> by Microsoft's former underhand methods to undermine it - which failed.
>
> --
> Neil Tungate <http://www.skipper.org.uk>
> Team 200LX UK

No I don't work for Micro$oft, my hatred for them exceeds linux.   I just
think
that with the all of the software engineers these days that someone would have

come of with something better than Windoze, Linux OS2, etc.  Yes
mico$oft sucks, but so does everything else.

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 00:05:50 +0100
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              Giampi <giampi1@GALACTICA.IT>
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Thank you, Bob, but...

I didn't find Goin'Postal online ...

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 00:12:45 +0100
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              Giampi <giampi1@GALACTICA.IT>
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Mmmh... excuse me! I've forgotten subject!

But can I use www/lx (or Post/lx) with the desktop, simply loading it from
Pccard and using normal connection with Remote acess with Win98/2000?


Thanks/grazie!

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Date:         Sun, 4 Mar 2001 17:17:16 -0600
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              Barry <barry@FBTC.NET>
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> Alfred Lee wrote:
>
> Didn't IBM dictated that you can have 16k RAM,
> 64k RAM if you are very serious and who could
> ever use 128k RAM, hence a hard beyond-the-
> end-of-the-world limit of 640k architectural limit
> for DOS in 1981 (or 1980?)?

The 8088 cpu has 1 meg address space, some of which had to be
used for graphics and BIOS and other things.  That's the reason
for the 640k limit.  I don't think there was any decision made
about that other than it didn't matter.

They were initially planning to use the Motorola 68000 cpu but
Motorola couldn't promise them a steady enough supply.  I forget
what the 68000 can address but it's a lot more than 1 meg.

Also the famous Bill Gates statement that no-one will ever need
more than 640k ram was a sensible statement at that time.  This
was in a day when programmers worked cheap and hardware was
expensive and programs were written efficiently and small and
fast.  You could write a program as large as you want.  Many
times 640k, if needed.  You just used overlays.  It wasn't
difficult.  It took a little planning.  But if it was done well,
the performance hit was very small.

What changed all that was mainly 3 things.

VGA and then Super VGA, both of which require that you deal with
large amounts of memory, unlike CGA, which could do wonderful
things in a 640k system.

Windows, which replaced overlays with virtual memory and DLLs,
both of which were far less efficient than overlays but easier
on the programmer and still fast if you had enough memory and
disk space.  By then hardware prices were dropping and
programmers were getting more money.

People wanting to run more than one program at a time, which
also meant windows (or unix) meant more ram was needed.

And then a fourth thing.  Cost cutting.  Companies realised that
if they had the right development tools their programmers good
write hughe, slow feature filled programs without really knowing
much about computers.  All that was needed to make this work
were idiot proof programming tools, fast hardware and lots of
it.  And that's the world we live in today.

And I ain't talking about just Windows.  How big is MacOS?  How
big is linux?  Windows may be a lot bigger and a lot slower but
these are all behemoths.  They would all have been a joke 20
years ago.  The programmers that tried to write software like
this 20 years ago would quickly find himself in a different
field.

Barry

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Date:         Sun, 4 Mar 2001 16:13:18 -0800
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              "Peter A. Castro" <doctor@FRUITBAT.ORG>
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Ken London wrote:

> Neil Tungate wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:54:15 -0500, Ken London wrote:
> > >I know of several companies who tried linux on their systems and
> > >have ended up with huge bills for customer service to straighten
> > >things out, some of these individuals are very tech savy and have
> > >had lots of problems.  For them linux was the biggest mistake of
> > >their lives.
> >
> > Do you work for Microsoft?  Your venom and hatred of Linux is only matched
> > by Microsoft's former underhand methods to undermine it - which failed.
> >
> > --
> > Neil Tungate <http://www.skipper.org.uk>
> > Team 200LX UK
>
> No I don't work for Micro$oft, my hatred for them exceeds linux.   I just
> think
> that with the all of the software engineers these days that someone would have

These days, engineers have little to do with the process.  It's more
marketing and finance and partnerships and "strategic alliances" than
anything else.  Most of the time, features are dictated to the engineers
instead of being proposed by them.  (What, me, bitter?!  Nah!)

> come of with something better than Windoze, Linux OS2, etc.  Yes
> mico$oft sucks, but so does everything else.

Spoken like a true pessimist.  Is is even possible for you to see a happy
future are you perpetually sucking on lemons :-?

--
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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 01:32:44 +0000
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              fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET
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> Mmmh... excuse me! I've forgotten subject!
>
> But can I use www/lx (or Post/lx) with the desktop, simply loading it from
> Pccard and using normal connection with Remote acess with Win98/2000?

I added a subject (g)

Yes, you need to load a small program that emulates (provides) HP
graphics on a windows desktop in a Dos box.  I would guess that the
DASOFT site has copies of palrun.  There are other small programs
including cga.com or cgagraph.com that come with the HP connectivity
pack or with the Pal c language library.  There is also int5f.com.

I use Post/lx on my win98 desktop solely as my email program.  You can't
get any automatic viruses!!!

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Date:         Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:16:27 -0700
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, John J Vanderstel wrote:

> What was the URL to your driving directions server again?
>
> Thanks again, Mike. :-)

http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/lxmbdirect.html

Oh wait, you're not thinking of hijacking my scripts, are you?

:-) Best regards,
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Date:         Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:54:51 -0500
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              Martin Bergvill <martin@MOBILPOST.COM>
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THE REST:


> and so would my Mom who
> proof-reads for me and the editors who would have to go through my
> manuscripts and remove all the unwanted CR's!

I can _read_ your mail just fine. My mailprogram wraps the lines on the
screen so they fit the screen. But when I reply then I have a problem.

But isn't it a problem for your editor/mom that he/she needs to scroll
verticly when reading/replying to your mails?

> > (Yes when I read the message my > > mail program wraps the lines
and everything is > > okey, but when I reply your lines > > are _very_
long)

> I use a nice freeware macro on my MC218 which does a very good job of
> cutting the text into bits and inserting the ( >) when I reply to
> e-mails.

I use PostH which inserts the topline. Not sure who inserts the > but I
guess it is the mailer. But when in PE replying the margin are set to
72 characters, but your lines are up to 200 characters long. Maybe I
will have to ask Mr. Garzotto why this happens. I have always thought
that this was a "fault" at your side. Maybe it is or maybe it isn't.

> > (Owen I am just pulling you leg :-))
>
> Can you please pull the other one? I've got a limp!

I have enough pulling my own leg (Have a limp too) :-)

> > About 200km from you and your sailboat :-)
>

> Please, please I don't want 200km legs. They won't fit into my bed!
> Around 10m would be OK. That would make it easy to change the lightbulb
in my anchor light...

ROFL

> On a sailboat. In Norway

(I know where you live so be nice no Hplx bashing :-))

Regards

--
Martin Bergvill , Narvik Norway

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Date:         Sun, 4 Mar 2001 21:53:09 -0600
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Ken London wrote:

> No I don't work for Micro$oft, my hatred for them exceeds linux.   I just
> think
> that with the all of the software engineers these days that someone would have
>
> come of with something better than Windoze, Linux OS2, etc.  Yes
> mico$oft sucks, but so does everything else.

There are some good OS's out there.  I have an old Sun Sparc 5
at home running Solaris that I use daily that I haven't rebooted in
about 6 months now.  Contrast that with my Windows 95 machine
which gave me 3 "blue screens of death" today and had to be
rebooted as many times.  Average is about three times a week
lately.

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 00:55:14 -0500
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              John J Vanderstel <j_vanderstel@JUNO.COM>
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Hi Mike,

>> What was the URL to your driving directions server again?
.
>http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/lxmbdirect.html

>Oh wait, you're not thinking of hijacking my scripts, are you?

Thanks Mike.  Nope.  I'm not a hacker. :-)

I remember hearing a lot about your driving direction service for HP200LX
users quite a while back, but I never did get around to checking your
site out.  Your update just reminded me that I still hadn't checked it
out.  Thanks for posting. :-)

Cheers!

John Vander Stel
Grand Rapids, Michigan

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 14:01:52 +0800
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Hi everyone,

I was watching a documentary on the once-super pop group ABBA (sorry I can't
type the reverse "B") and I was surprised that they still have quite a following
today especially in Sweden. It was interesting to learn that the fans hold an
annual event called "ABBA Day" (what else?!) where they meet up and have fun
(food, music, chats, dress-alikes, etc.). I was like amazed at such enthusiasm
and admiration for a disbanded group and their songs that were left for dead by
today's brand of music, what kind of people.....?... then it hit me.

I was sitting there with the TV remote on one hand and my trusty 200LX on the
other (sorry, REMCOM doesn't work at distances over 10 feet) when I suddenly
could relate to that. I still use a machine that came from the bygone era of DOS
and 640K RAM, in today's domain of flashy colour screens, built in browsers, and
MP3 capable PDA's.

Just as these fans who still love ABBA's songs, I find my palmtop still works
for me. So, I started thinking,  W H Y   D O N ' T  we declare an HP 200LX Day?
I mean there's World Telecommunication Day, there's Earth Watch Day, there's
ABBA Day, so what not an HP 200LX Day? Not a bad way to commemorate this little
wonder and it's success, especially when it's still alive and kicking today, I
think.

Many thoughts follow: What date should it be on? What do supporters do? Where do
we meet? Should we meet at all or just flood each other with well wishes? What
are the benefits? What will HP think? Is this a DUMB idea?

Any thoughts?



Best regards,

Jimmy.

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 08:29:36 +0200
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Hi friends,

I've made a new web page containing informations about how to repair
the palmtop.
It covers issues such as the hinge crcak, cracked latches, loose hinges
etc.

Have a look at
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de

click on "repair your palmtop"
and let me know your comments!

TNX
daniel

BTW: I also added a homework paper echich I've written in summer 2000
regarding "how to put mathematical formulas on the Internet" to my home
page, so if you are interested in this subject, feel free to read the paper.
Simply click on "How to put mathematical Formulas on the Internet".
Thanks again to Mark Willis and Don Chow for proof-reading the paper!
I hope you didn't suffer from the earthquake last week! I heard it
could also be felt in Vancouver!

--
Celia & Daniel Hertrich            d.hertrich@gmx.de
home page:             http://www.daniel-hertrich.de
mobile phone:                     +49 (0)177 7955549
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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 04:19:23 -0500
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              Martin Bergvill <martin@MOBILPOST.COM>
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On Sat,  3 Mar 2001 17:43:55 +0100, Owen H. Morgan wrote:
Hellu..
> Martin Bergvill wrote (>):
> > laptop and use the Hplx for zip drive access :-)

> I was thinking about this. If we could hook him up with a very smart
> EPOC developer / C++ programmer, we could probably get a driver for
> EPOC too.

Probably. But the project will not be a reality because of the guy who
knew something about it could not reveal what he did..or something like
that..

> > "Palmtop" as in "Hplx" or "Palmtop" as in "Mc218"? :-)
> MC218 of course.

That was _not_ clear to me :-)

> I said "serious computing". (Ooops! Better get into my
> flameproof suit fast... :o)

You better jump ship :-))

> So how much do you have to pay for your LX on steroids?

That is classified :-)

> You can pick up
> a second hand MC218 or 5mx for around NOK 2500 - 3000 (USD 260 - 315)

Probably, but I am not looking for one..

> Of course you'd need a 48Mb CF to bring it up to 64Mb.

As things are now I manage with 8mb on the Hplx. But when I get the
64mb I can move a lot of the things I have on cf/pcmcia now onto the
Hplx. That will be nice.

> I know
> _you_ don't like the keyboard on the S5 > based machines, but I do, and
> there are a few million people in the world who use these computers
> every day and do like the keyboard, so you're outvoted

Yes I guess so..but we are at least two guys here that do not like the
keyboard on the Psion's..so _you_ are outvoted _here_ :-)

>... You probably
> just need to get used to it.
It would probably be fine if I had to..

> > Then I maybe could do what you do but do I
> > need to do it?
> You couldn't, could you?

I do what _I_ need to do..not what others may do on their machine :-)

Seriously the 5mx/Mc218 is ofcourse a more advanced machine and has a
better os. I can not compete with it in a "Can you do this"
competition. But the 5Mx/Mc218 can not do things I can do with the Hplx.
It can do a lot of other things that are nice. But it does not do the
thing I want to do therefor -> hplx..

> AFAIK, there is no way you could make the LX download anything in the
> background while you're working in the foreground.

Hmm I could Telnet to my unixaccount and start processes in the
background :-..I see your point and no the hplx can not do this AFAIK.

> Oh, I checked, it's finished! I like not having to sit around waiting
> for that.

The only time I do things that takes some time is when I do a Dbcheck
and then backs up the Hplx to the memorycard. When this happens I am
usually in the shower.

> I find it very useful to be able to have my most used applications
>open all the time

I can do that on the Hplx. I need SC now because I want to have
post/lx and all he other open at once. Memoryhungry applications.

> On the LX it's real only for advanced users like you lot.

Not sure if SC is that hard to set up.

> cutting and pasting across applications

Not sure how SC manage this, but it can be done I think

> The 9000 and 9110 have Geos
Ah yes that was how it was.

> I have no idea if this is a limitation of GEOS or the implementation on
> the Nokia.

I do not know either.

> As far as I understand, the EPOC 9210 has all, I believe there is
> very little practical difference bet

That may be true. But for me it is to big and no gprs.

> How does the built in phone stop it from being a palmtop?

I agree. It can(and are) a very usefull Tool. But I like small phone +
palmtop.
> > not get the line length down to the required > > length

> Required by whom? I don't like e-mail software that hacks my text into little bits with a CR on every line. That's not the way _proper_ word processing software should work!
The sentence above is 176 characters long when I reply to it. It is a
"standard" on mails and newsgroups All over the world that the
linelenght should not be over 72 characters. If you post in newsgroups
you will be yelled at with a linelength longer than the "standard". (I
have been yelled at in the past..)

I see your point about "wordprocessing software" above. But do you send
mails/documents to your mom/publisher with lines that are over 200
characters long? How can you fit that on a A4 when yout/they print that?

It is not a big problem to me, but it takes me some more
time to chop you long lines down to 72 characters and then insert > to
make it readable. If I do not do this I have to scroll your long lines
to see what you have written "beyond" the end of my screen and then go
down and write a reply.

> I often send manuscripts for articles etc. as e-mail, and would hate  it if they were hacked into little bits,
Bits of 72 characters per line yes..
SEE OTHER MESSAGE FOR THE REST

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:02:13 +0100
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              Luca <Luca.Zanetti@NTT.IT>
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From:         Luca <Luca.Zanetti@NTT.IT>
Subject:      R: FLUFF: EPOC (Was: HP in the news)
Comments: To: Martin Bergvill <martin@MOBILPOST.COM>
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For your interest, I enclosed the answer of XTM software team (XTM is a
software that emulates a DOS-XT version in a EPOC computer
http://www.nb-info.co.uk/xtminfo.htm), if they were interested to develope a
Dos emulator specifically for the new NOKIA 9210.

>Thank you for your interest in XTM.

>It is likely that we will produce a version of XTM that runs on
>the Nokia 9210, but there may be some restrictions because
>of the keyboard (which lacks many keys found on a PC) and
>the screen (which, unlike the Series 5, is too small to allow
>soft keys to be presented on a toolbar).

>Also, the Nokia version of EPOC is not binary compatible
>with the Series 5.  It therefore may be several months before
>a Nokia version of XTM is released.

    NB Info Support Team


At this time I beside a Nokia 9110 and I use at the same time with my
HP200LX.
It exist too a dos emulator for the Nokia 9110, but I find very cumbersome
and limiting the functionality of the phone. The address is this
http://www.dchapman.com/freeware/dos9k/index.html

Luca Zanetti, Italy

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:22:54 -0500
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From:         Ken Hansen <n2vip@BELLATLANTIC.NET>
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Obviously, there should be a minor holiday on the 100th day of
the year (coming soon, right) to celebrate the 100LX, and the
ral party would be on the 200th day of the year. There will be
those that claim there should also be a holiday on the 95th day
of the year, to commemerate thier beloved 95LX, but their
numbers are small, and their date is so close to the 100th day
that they should simply either celebrate on the 100th day, or
upgrade. ;¬)

Ken

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of
jimmytan@YEOS.COM.MY
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 1:02 AM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu
Subject: Fluff: HP 200LX Day!


Hi everyone,

<snip>

Just as these fans who still love ABBA's songs, I find my
palmtop still works
for me. So, I started thinking,  W H Y   D O N ' T  we declare
an HP 200LX Day?
I mean there's World Telecommunication Day, there's Earth Watch
Day, there's
ABBA Day, so what not an HP 200LX Day? Not a bad way to
commemorate this little
wonder and it's success, especially when it's still alive and
kicking today, I
think.

Many thoughts follow: What date should it be on? What do
supporters do? Where do
we meet? Should we meet at all or just flood each other with
well wishes? What
are the benefits? What will HP think? Is this a DUMB idea?

Any thoughts?



Best regards,

Jimmy.

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:29:07 +0100
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              "Bel, Michel" <Michel.Bel@NL.ORIGIN-IT.COM>
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> Steve Carder replied to
 > Is that the official medical definition of male menopause?
the following
>There is no official definition.  It usually involves a red sports car and
a
>girl young enough to be your child, however. <g>

I am afraid it is worse: m.m. starts the day when a girl first asks you
whether that big bulge in your trousers is a Palmtop

 Michel 8-(

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:19:14 +0000
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              Russel Brooks <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM>
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jimmytan@YEOS.COM.MY wrote:
> So, I started thinking,  W H Y   D O N ' T  we declare an HP 200LX Day?
>
> Many thoughts follow: What date should it be on?

April 1st ??

The rest of the Palmtop world thinks we're Fools for sticking
with the HPLX (but we know who the real fools are).

Cheers... Russ

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:28:39 -0500
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              Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM>
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From:         Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: SC & doskey
Comments: To: Marta Pierce <Marta1@home.com>

You can use doskey with sc. I do it now. I know that when you load it is
important. I think that you have to load it in the individual sc session and
not before sc loads.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marta Pierce" <Marta1@HOME.COM>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 3:28 AM
Subject: SC & doskey


> Hello ,
>
>   can you use doskey (on the d:\ drive) with software carousel? I
>   tried it and it said that you couldn't.  Is there a work around?
>   What do others use for dos macro functions with sc?  What I am
>   trying to do is to use a one key or two key function to load a wk1
>   file automatically.  Maybe s/o else has a better alternative? btw I
>   also am using buddy, maybe that will help.
>   TIA
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Marta                          mailto:Marta1@home.com
>
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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:35:42 -0500
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              Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM>
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From:         Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Post/lx on Desktop?

Here's one, Is there a way to simulate a packet driver in a dos window under
any version of windows?

If this were possible, you could run www/lx on the desktop in
network/ethernet mode. I'm running www/lx on my palmtop with the Aacton card
and it works well (super fast).I have ethernet connections at work and at
home (broadband) and just can't be bothered with slow dialups anymore.

It's amazin how spoiled I get by new tech.


----- Original Message -----
From: "F. Kaufman" <fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 8:32 PM
Subject: Post/lx on Desktop?


> > Mmmh... excuse me! I've forgotten subject!
> >
> > But can I use www/lx (or Post/lx) with the desktop, simply loading it
from
> > Pccard and using normal connection with Remote acess with Win98/2000?
>
> I added a subject (g)
>
> Yes, you need to load a small program that emulates (provides) HP
> graphics on a windows desktop in a Dos box.  I would guess that the
> DASOFT site has copies of palrun.  There are other small programs
> including cga.com or cgagraph.com that come with the HP connectivity
> pack or with the Pal c language library.  There is also int5f.com.
>
> I use Post/lx on my win98 desktop solely as my email program.  You can't
> get any automatic viruses!!!
>

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:45:16 -0500
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              Ken London <KenLondon@BELD.NET>
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HP200lx day should be February 11th.  (42nd day of the year)

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:42:02 +0100
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From:         Michael Berrier <m_berrier@GMX.DE>
Subject:      reboot failure,display not clear visible anymore !!
Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich <d.hertrich@GMX.DE>
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Hi everybody    ,

after change of both batteries, the display is not to read totally
nebuluous?! Any idea.

Thanks, Michael B.

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Daniel Hertrich
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 07:30 AM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: How to repair the palmtop and mathematical formulas on the
internet


Hi friends,

I've made a new web page containing informations about how to repair
the palmtop.
It covers issues such as the hinge crcak, cracked latches, loose hinges
etc.

Have a look at
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de

click on "repair your palmtop"
and let me know your comments!

TNX
daniel

BTW: I also added a homework paper echich I've written in summer 2000
regarding "how to put mathematical formulas on the Internet" to my home
page, so if you are interested in this subject, feel free to read the paper.
Simply click on "How to put mathematical Formulas on the Internet".
Thanks again to Mark Willis and Don Chow for proof-reading the paper!
I hope you didn't suffer from the earthquake last week! I heard it
could also be felt in Vancouver!

--
Celia & Daniel Hertrich            d.hertrich@gmx.de
home page:             http://www.daniel-hertrich.de
mobile phone:                     +49 (0)177 7955549
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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:36:04 -0700
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              "Feldman, Robert" <Robert_Feldman@JDEDWARDS.COM>
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The website for the PalmZip software is:

http://www.palmzip.de/

This software lets you use a 100MB parallel port Zip drive on an 8088 or
higher. The site also has a lot of info on the Atari Portfolio, so the
software's authors (Klaus Peichl and Stefan Kaechele) might be able to cook
up something for you.

Bob Feldman

-----Original Message-----
From: Owen H. Morgan Ýmailto:ohmorgan@iname.com¨
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 10:44 AM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: FLUFF: EPOC (Was: HP in the news)


Howdy!

Martin Bergvill wrote (>):

> If we can get some more info from the zip vs
> Hplx guy you could maybe throw out your
> laptop and use the Hplx for zip drive access :-)

I was thinking about this. If we could hook him up with a very smart EPOC
developer / C++ programmer, we could probably get a driver for EPOC too.

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 13:19:53 -0600
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              Bryan Biggers <bbiggers@CHARTER.NET>
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So many "e-books" these days are coming in Palm .pdb format (at
least I think that is what it is). I's like to convert them to
text so that I can read them on the HP200. Does anyone know if
there is a converter? The converter does not have to run on the
HP200, that would be too much to ask ;)
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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:33:46 +0100
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On Monday, 05.03.2001 at 19:19 GMT, Bryan Biggers  wrote:
> So many "e-books" these days are coming in Palm .pdb format (at
> least I think that is what it is). I's like to convert them to
> text so that I can read them on the HP200. Does anyone know if
> there is a converter? The converter does not have to run on the
> HP200, that would be too much to ask ;
From my experience, the Palm Pilot PDB files are not as rigidly defined
as an HP 200 LX GDB database. I think PDB very generically means
"palm pilot dababase". I have quite a few applications on my Palm Pilot
that use PDB files. Each application creates its own files and they are
incompatible with each other.

Specifically, I have MobiPocket on my Palm Pilot for document reading.
More than once it happened to me that I downloaded a document that
I wanted to read and MobiPocket wouldn't even recognize it; the
document was prepared for another document reader.

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:12:54 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Biggers" <bbiggers@CHARTER.NET>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 2:19 PM
Subject: Palm .pdb files on HP200?


> So many "e-books" these days are coming in Palm .pdb format
(at
> least I think that is what it is). I's like to convert them
to
> text so that I can read them on the HP200. Does anyone know
if
> there is a converter? The converter does not have to run on
the
> HP200, that would be too much to ask ;)
> Bryan

As long as the file is in standard Palm doc format, the above
is not too much to ask, even from within the HP200LX.   The
program is called MakeDoc, and it can be downloaded from SUPER
or from Palmgear.  It does run from the HPLX.  However, the
Windows programs which do the same on a fast desktop pc are
much faster.   I also recommend that you get your e-texts from
memoware, because that site will tell you what type of file it
is, so you don't end up with a file you cannot convert.

HTH

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:05:43 -0600
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              Barry <barry@FBTC.NET>
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> Karl Vanderhaven wrote:
>
> Shame on you Bryan for picking on
> Ken for this. He has been misquoted
> dozens of times!  He is just balancing
> out the scale here! He will not apologize
> for misquoting nor stop misquoting
> people, until he receives very sincere
> and individual apologies, from each
> person who has misquoted him in his
> duration on the list. So all people,
> apologize to Ken for your errors to him!
> I will start, Ken I apologize for misquoting
> you below.

Ken made some mistakes, got a little bit pushy, caught about 10
times as much heat for it as it was worth, and tried to change
his aproach to be a little more accomodating, and caught more
heat for that.

We had our say.  We know he heard our opinions.  Now we get to
decide if we're going to be good guys and drop it and give Ken a
chance to start enjoying this list again, or if we're going to
be bullies and just keep beating up on him because we can.

I vote for being good guys.

Barry

Never say anything bad about someone till you've walked a mile
in their shoes.
Then you can say anything you like about them because they're a
mile away and you have their shoes.

Still Barry

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 05:47:09 -0800
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From:         Longden Loo <LLoo@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Subject:      Re: DisplayWrite 4 Error Message & HL200LX
Comments: To: "Terry A. Ward" <terrywa@ELP.RR.COM>
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On 4 Mar 2001, at 12:05, Terry A. Ward wrote:

> I am trying to get a copy of IBM DisplayWrite4, version 2 Mod 02 to
> run on my 8M HP200LX. Have you ever seen the message:
>
> Software Error
> *0023* 1A00 0100 12262 06E4 0189 0898 90
>
> It runs fine on a Toshiba Pentium laptop but this message appears
> right after the splash screen appears.

What would be relevant is to know the system requirements on the
box.  If this is "hand-me-down-software", then I don't know what
else to suggest, except to make sure you have the max amount of
memory available before you run it (ie, exit AppMgr and boot with
few TSRs).

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On 5 Mar 2001, at 17:42, Michael Berrier wrote:

> after change of both batteries, the display is not to read totally
> nebuluous?! Any idea.

If the 200LX was double-speed and the backup battery was low (or
bad), the speed driver (spd31.sys?) might have been lost during the
change.  This would result in the fuzzy screen.

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:02:28 +0100
Reply-To:     "Owen H. Morgan" <ohmorgan@iname.com>
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Hi

Martin Bergvill wrote (>):

> But isn't it a problem for your editor/mom that
> he/she needs to scroll verticly when
> reading/replying to your mails?

I don't think there is any modern e-mail program today that doesn't =
wordwrap properly when reading e-mails. As for replying, thankfully, =
neither my Mom, nor any editors quote my entire e-mail when replying to an =
e-mail with a manuscript and the replies I receive are usually quoted =
properly (unlike this list).

> I use PostH which inserts the topline. Not sure
> who inserts the > but I guess it is the mailer.
> But when in PE replying the margin are set to
> 72 characters, but your lines are up to 200
> characters long. Maybe I will have to ask Mr.
> Garzotto why this happens.

It happens because my e-mail program handles text the same way as other =
modern word-processing software does.

> I have always thought that this was a "fault" at
> your side. Maybe it is or maybe it isn't.

It's not a "fault", it's a conscious choice. I could make my e-mail =
software chop text by switching off MIME, but I don't want it to chop my =
text. Paragraph marks (CR) should end paragraphs, not lines.

>>> About 200km from you and your sailboat :-)

According to Route Planner on my (EPOC) MC218, it's just over 170 km by =
road. According to my GPS, it's 89.0812 km as the pig flies.

> (I know where you live so be nice no Hplx
> bashing :-))

Bashing? Certainly not. Hmmm. Have you seen the latest issue of "Mobil" =
magazine? They have a test of three GSM phones where they finish by =
attacking them with an axe! I wonder how the LX would stand up to that... =
(I don't expect my MC218 would survive any longer...)

Owen
--
On a sailboat. In Norway
http://pagina.de/naomi.j=

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:34:22 +0000
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From:         Neil Tungate <neil@SKIPPER.ORG.UK>
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Subject:      Re: FLUFF: Re: Website statistics
Comments: To: kopplin@TECHNOIR.NU
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:16:27 -0700, Mike Kopplin wrote:

>On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, John J Vanderstel wrote:
>
>> What was the URL to your driving directions server again?
>>
>> Thanks again, Mike. :-)
>
>http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/lxmbdirect.html

Cool!  I hadn't spotted that one before. It even knew my employer's =
company
name when I checked the route to work using post codes :)

--=20
Neil Tungate <http://www.skipper.org.uk>
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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:49:20 -0600
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Hi all,

I was going to purge many old appointments, etc., from my datebook and
noticed that my Todo list could go out with the purge.

Is there a way to reset all the start dates on my Todo items (without going
into each one of them, one at a time)? I'd like to make it appear all of my
todo items were written today ... or this month ... and then export/archive
all my old appointment data.

I have a bunch of "old" todo's I still use.  For instance "Shop" gets my
shopping list in the note field, I use other todo items as "data
repositories" .... things (notes/info) I mean to file   *someday* but, well,
since I can find them where they are, I am hesitant to put them somewhere I
can lose them!

TIA for any help.

--tim

PS. If there's a way to pull the todo items out, and reimport them
separately, I might try that....

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Date:         Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:20:02 -0800
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Just a quick report to the group.  I have been able to effect a Rube
Goldberg solution for synching Lotus Notes with the 200LX.  It is a two
step process.  First sync Lotus Notes with Schedule+ using XNTDConnect (or
the previous version Enterprise Harmony 99).  Having completed this stage,
you then sync Schedule+ to the 200LX using Intellisync for the 200LX.  It
is a two way synching process so you can enter new appointments, contacts,
etc. on either the 200LX or your desktop machine.

It is perhaps an indication of the changes that have occurred in computing
over the last decade that the contact database in the 200LX does seem
rather dated in comparison with the Lotus Notes database.  There are no
automatic fields for such contemporary basics as mobile telephone numbers,
email addresses, and business addresses as well as home addresses.  Perhaps
some tweaking with the mapping functions in Intellisynce and extra fields
in the phone.pdb will rejuvenate the wee beastie.

When I first started with my first 100LX, compuserve mail addresses were
much more common than internet mail addresses.  The relatively few cellular
telephones available had more in common with the heavy field telephones on
old war films than the svelte digital telephones of 2001.   The debate in
popular computing was between Win 3.1 and those who were quite happy with
their DOS/Carousel or DOS/DesqView setups.  Style versus Substance - Steak
versus Sizzle.

I am both nostalgic for the simpler days of yore and saddened to see the
signs of age in the basic 200LX telephone book.  I am beginning to feel
like the Bob Dole of the computer age.

Lawrence Fast

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Oops.

I meant, can you reset the START date on appointment dates....

Darn typos....

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Date:         Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:39:00 +1300
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>It is perhaps an indication of the changes that have
occurred in computing
>over the last decade that the contact database in the 200LX
does seem
>rather dated in comparison with the Lotus Notes database.
There are no
>automatic fields for such contemporary basics as mobile
telephone numbers,
>email addresses, and business addresses as well as home
addresses.  Perhaps
>some tweaking with the mapping functions in Intellisynce
and extra fields
>in the phone.pdb will rejuvenate the wee beastie.

I believe that the Phone database can be modified using the
editing tools inside the application itself.  For me, I just
put email addresses in the "note" field and mobile phones go
into the "Alternative" field.  I too have cast my eye on
other things but found that for my purposes it works just
fine "out of the box".  Any applications that it doesn't
provide, I can get from third party dos products.  Sharing
files is when the HP200LX and the DOS world become
problematic for me.  Even then there are work arounds such
using .RTF files for word processing.  My biggest top of the
mind problem is in trying to share project management
information with my colleagues who use MS Project 2000.
MSP2K doesn't import .MPX files anymore so MSP for DOS is
now on its own.
Cheers
Tony.

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Tim wrote:
> I was going to purge many old appointments, etc., from my datebook and
> noticed that my Todo list could go out with the purge.

Todos that are listed on today's list are not purged, at least that
didn't
happen when I just tried it with a copy of my appt.adb.  Todo's that are
alread checked-off are removed.

> Is there a way to reset all the start dates on my Todo items (without going
> into each one of them, one at a time)? I'd like to make it appear all of my
> todo items were written today ... or this month ... and then export/archive
> all my old appointment data.

If you want to set the date, I think you'll be best served with a macro
that opens a todo item, changes the date, presses f10 and goes one
cursor postion up.  You need to work from the bottom of the list up,
I guess.

> PS. If there's a way to pull the todo items out, and reimport them
> separately, I might try that....

Not that I'm aware of.  Extract everything *before* today to a new
file, eg. tmp1.adb, then open tmp1.adb and extract everyting to
todos.adb.

+gg

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Date:         Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:42:55 -0600
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Bryan Biggers wrote:

> So many "e-books" these days are coming
> in Palm .pdb format (at least I think that is
> what it is). I's like to convert them to text so
> that I can read them on the HP200. Does
> anyone know if there is a converter? The
> converter does not have to run on the HP200,
> that would be too much to ask ;)

I use a program called DocInOut.exe.  It's docs say it has to be
installed properly in the Win98 registry but I've never done
that.  I just drag a pdb file to it and it spits out a text file
with the same name.  Or I drag a text file to it and it spits
out a pdb file.  Simple and reliable.

I don't know if it'll run on the 200lx.   I'm not sure if it's a
32 bit or 16 bit app. The above technique works with either.

It's available as freeware at:
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/software/free/pilot/docs/sw11.html

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Ulrich Boche wrote:

> From my experience, the Palm Pilot PDB
> files are not as rigidly defined as an
> HP 200 LX GDB database. I think PDB
> very generically means "palm pilot dababase".
> I have quite a few applications on my Palm
> Pilot that use PDB files. Each application
> creates its own files and they are
> incompatible with each other.

That's true but one of the early text programs used a format
within pdb that has come to be known as the "doc" format.  It's
the format that most etext is in.  Different doc programs do use
slightly different formats for bookmarks and catagories but this
shouldn't effect their conversion to text.  Those elemens are
left out in the conversion.  At least it hasn't been a problem
on any I've converted up till now.

There are a couple of etext readers with proprietary formats
that have their own conversion programs, usually only from text
to their format, and they may also use the .pdb extension.  Or
they might use the .prc extension.  I know that's sometimes used
for databases too.  (prc is comparable to exe in dos but a file
is a file is a file so if you want to confuse everyone you can
give your databases exe extensions with no problem.  It's just
that dos people know better.  Palm people don't.  :)

Barry

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Date:         Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:30:38 +0200
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Hi Ken,

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:22:54 -0500, Ken Hansen <n2vip@BELLATLANTIC.NET> wrote:

> Obviously, there should be a minor holiday on the 100th day of
> the year (coming soon, right) to celebrate the 100LX, and the
> ral party would be on the 200th day of the year. There will be
> those that claim there should also be a holiday on the 95th day
> of the year, to commemerate thier beloved 95LX, but their
> numbers are small, and their date is so close to the 100th day
> that they should simply either celebrate on the 100th day, or
> upgrade. ;¬)

And when shall 1000CX owners celebrate their machine? :-¨

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Hi,

On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:36:04 -0700, "Feldman, Robert" <Robert_Feldman@JDEDWARDS.COM> wrote:

> This software lets you use a 100MB parallel port Zip drive on an 8088 or
> higher. The site also has a lot of info on the Atari Portfolio, so the
> software's authors (Klaus Peichl and Stefan Kaechele) might be able to cook
> up something for you.

Aha - another Peichl who develops software. Stefan, is he a relative of
you?

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:44:24 -0500
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Feb. 29th?

That is as close as I can get to 1000 days easily...

Ken

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> Hi Ken,
>
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:22:54 -0500, Ken Hansen <n2vip@BELLATLANTIC.NET>
wrote:
>
> > Obviously, there should be a minor holiday on the 100th day of
> > the year (coming soon, right) to celebrate the 100LX, and the
> > ral party would be on the 200th day of the year. There will be
> > those that claim there should also be a holiday on the 95th day
> > of the year, to commemerate thier beloved 95LX, but their
> > numbers are small, and their date is so close to the 100th day
> > that they should simply either celebrate on the 100th day, or
> > upgrade. ;¬)
>
> And when shall 1000CX owners celebrate their machine? :-¨
>
> --
> Celia & Daniel Hertrich            d.hertrich@gmx.de
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<geek mode on>
How about the 270th day of the year?

That's 1000 if you assume that you have to wrap around to zero at 365? Kinda
like when doing integaer math with bytes that have to wrap at 255 (and
ignoring leap year altogether)

<geek mode of$&¬%%>
<geek mode of$&¬%%>
<geek mode of$&¬%%>

Damn', it won't turn off!



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> Feb. 29th?
>
> That is as close as I can get to 1000 days easily...
>
> Ken
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Hertrich" <d.hertrich@GMX.DE>
> To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Fluff: HP 200LX Day!
>
>
> > Hi Ken,
> >
> > On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:22:54 -0500, Ken Hansen <n2vip@BELLATLANTIC.NET>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Obviously, there should be a minor holiday on the 100th day of
> > > the year (coming soon, right) to celebrate the 100LX, and the
> > > ral party would be on the 200th day of the year. There will be
> > > those that claim there should also be a holiday on the 95th day
> > > of the year, to commemerate thier beloved 95LX, but their
> > > numbers are small, and their date is so close to the 100th day
> > > that they should simply either celebrate on the 100th day, or
> > > upgrade. ;¬)
> >
> > And when shall 1000CX owners celebrate their machine? :-¨
> >
> > --
> > Celia & Daniel Hertrich            d.hertrich@gmx.de
> > home page:             http://www.daniel-hertrich.de
> > mobile phone:                     +49 (0)177 7955549
> > unified messaging (fax,voice): +49 (0)721 151 306690
> >
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I guess everybody here is using their HP-LX'es to catalog their
CDs, isn't it?

In case someone is interested in such a catalog, I'm currently
playing with a Perl script that imports CDDB files into a GDB
file.  CDDB files are used by some CD player programs that are
able to lookup CD data on the internet, e.g. xmcd.

So, let me know if I should put that on the web somewhere.

+gg

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On Tue,  6 Mar 2001 16:30:41 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> Hi,

Hi Daniel

> On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:36:04 -0700, "Feldman, Robert" <Robert_Feldman@JDEDWARDS.COM> wrote:
>
> > This software lets you use a 100MB parallel port Zip drive on an 8088 or
> > higher. The site also has a lot of info on the Atari Portfolio, so the
> > software's authors (Klaus Peichl and Stefan Kaechele) might be able to cook
> > up something for you.
>
> Aha - another Peichl who develops software. Stefan, is he a relative of
> you?

I hope so. I see in the near future two great minds creating a
zip->hplx gadget :-)

Regards

--
Martin Bergvill , Narvik Norway


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Date:         Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:49:34 -0800
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Hi;

Can somebody please e-mail me Goin Postal 5. I have
been looking for it at ftp.palmtop.net but I cannot
find it.

Thanks,


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http://www.msnbc.com/news/539799.asp

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As Tony says, you can tailor the phone DB any way you like. My main
changes take care of the problem quoted. My datacard reads:-

Bus:
Home:
Fax:
Mobile:
E-Mail:
The address is below these. All fit very neatly

Richard

>
> There are no
> >automatic fields for such contemporary basics as mobile
> telephone numbers,
> >email addresses, and business addresses as well as home
> addresses.  Perhaps
> >some tweaking with the mapping functions in Intellisynce
> and extra fields
> >in the phone.pdb will rejuvenate the wee beastie.
>

Tony Kan wrote:

> I believe that the Phone database can be modified using the
> editing tools inside the application itself.  For me, I just
> put email addresses in the "note" field and mobile phones go
> into the "Alternative" field.  I too have cast my eye on

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If I have to use a cell content from another worksheet, how do I refer to it?
Someone posted it but I forgot:-)

Thanks.

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 >What date should it be on? What do supporters do? Where do we
 >meet? Should we meet at all or just flood each other with well
 >wishes? What are the benefits? What will HP think? Is this a DUMB idea?

lots of dates, but no place has been mentioned - the LX is too
international, but if i had a choice - next to my home it would be LA - for
Avi and Longden live there. Avi would sponsor the event and pay everyone's
airfare, which should be an incentive for all the Transylvaian lurkers to
enjoy a poolside flirt at Beverly Hills Hilton :)

Nathalie, looking forward to practise on Disneyland rides for speeding
ambulances.

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Date:         Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:36:12 -0800
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I've often seen software carousel mentioned on this list and would like to
try it.
Does anybody have a copy for sale ? Thanks.

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:33:13 +0000
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              Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE
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Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> > This software lets you use a 100MB parallel port Zip drive on an 8088
> > software's authors (Klaus Peichl and Stefan Kaechele)
>
> Aha - another Peichl who develops software. Stefan, is he a relative of =
you?

No, not related to my family as far as our history goes back.
I came across his name on the web already. But my name is not
that rare, especially in south Germany and Austria, because of
banishment as a result of world war II (Same applies to the
german foreign minister Joschka Fischer, who is my generation)

Stefan

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:31:43 +0000
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Using a macro, I can toggle the state of a check box, but is
there any keypress or magic trick for setting the box to a
known state, i.e. set on or set off?

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:31:44 +0000
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On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Gerhard Gonter wrote:

> Tim wrote:
> > I was going to purge many old appointments, etc., from my datebook =
and
> > noticed that my Todo list could go out with the purge.
>
> Todos that are listed on today's list are not purged, at least that
> didn't
> happen when I just tried it with a copy of my appt.adb.  Todo's that =
are
> alread checked-off are removed.
>

IIRC, when you archive & remove all items before a chosen date,
any not-done ToDos are kept, and their start date is reset to
the date of the remove before date. Ironically, it was exactly
this behaviour that meant I didn't like to use remove. However,
it sounds as if it's exactly what you're looking for.

It was a long time ago when I tried it, so do a test yourself
on a copy of your adb file.

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:42:18 -0600
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              Hal Goldstein <hal_goldstein@THADDEUS.COM>
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<<I've often seen software carousel mentioned on this list and would like to
try it. Does anybody have a copy for sale ? Thanks.>>

We sell it at www.palmtoppaper.com

Hal at Thaddeus

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:39:20 +0100
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On Tuesday, 06.03.2001 at 19:48 GMT, Gerhard Gonter  wrote:
> I guess everybody here is using their HP-LX'es to catalog their
> CDs, isn't it?
>
> In case someone is interested in such a catalog, I'm currently
> playing with a Perl script that imports CDDB files into a GDB
> file.  CDDB files are used by some CD player programs that are
> able to lookup CD data on the internet, e.g. xmcd.
>
> So, let me know if I should put that on the web somewhere.
>
I would be interested in such a tool.

Ulrich Boche

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:23:03 +0100
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              Feher Tamas <etomcat@FREEMAIL.HU>
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Hello all,

I just saw that on
<http://www.esat.kuleuven.ac.be/~Erijmen/rijndael/index.html
> webpage, the developers of Rijndael symmetric key cipher
(the chosen one to replace oldie DES) also made available a
80186 implemetation of the algorithm, with source code.

They tested it on a 40MHz (!) 80186 and got about
27kbytes/sec throughput. Maybe Stefan could optimize the
code a bit and then let's see, if the next generation
cipher will be a future application for the palmtop, too.

Sincerely: Tamas Feher

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:17:33 -0800
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              Longden_Loo@CANDLE.COM
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Hi all.

I live in an area where I seem to have only two choices for DSL service:
PacBell and Telocity.

I want to get into a DSL service to alleviate the on-line crunch at home (2
kids) and is also needed for adequate response when telecommuting from
home.

I'm looking at connecting one computer to DSL now, but up to 3 more in the
coming weeks (currently none are networked locally).

If anyone (on either list ... sorry for any redundancies) has had
experiences with either (preferably both) providers, I'd appreciate hearing
your feedback ... personal email is preferred, unless you can find
something "on-topic" to say.

OTOH, how easy is it to connect either a NIC-enabled 200LX or Omnibook to
an existing DSL setup?

Thanks.

- Longden

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:47:09 -0500
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              Ken London <KenLondon@BELD.NET>
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Longden Loo wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I live in an area where I seem to have only two choices for DSL service:
> PacBell and Telocity.
>
> I want to get into a DSL service to alleviate the on-line crunch at home (2
> kids) and is also needed for adequate response when telecommuting from
> home.
>
> I'm looking at connecting one computer to DSL now, but up to 3 more in the
> coming weeks (currently none are networked locally).
>
> If anyone (on either list ... sorry for any redundancies) has had
> experiences with either (preferably both) providers, I'd appreciate hearing
> your feedback ... personal email is preferred, unless you can find
> something "on-topic" to say.
>
> OTOH, how easy is it to connect either a NIC-enabled 200LX or Omnibook to
> an existing DSL setup?
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Longden
>
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I have several computers networked together and hooked up to DSL.  All the
computers can be hooked up although only one can use the uplink at a time.  If
you
can,  avoid going with any of the baby bells.  In California they are being
sued
because they offered a discount package for 2000 but didn't get people hooked
up
until 2001.  Locally Verizon is being sued because they are having trouble
meeting
demand and providing reliable service.

I've never tried using the 200lx on the DSL line, although I inquired about it
before
and was told it could be done.

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 13:11:42 -0500
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              Christopher Blackmon <blackmon@NORTELNETWORKS.COM>
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Longden Loo wrote:

>
>
> OTOH, how easy is it to connect either a NIC-enabled 200LX or Omnibook to
> an existing DSL setup?
>

If you have a DSL router... it's very easy.  I personally have experience with
the
Netgear RT314.  I've also used a cheap pc with linux as a router.  With a
router, I can have
several pc's connected and they all can use the dsl connection at the same
time.
One of the PC's hooked up is an Omnibook 800cs... I've not tried the 200lx
yet.

Christopher.

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:20:48 +0100
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              Feher Tamas <etomcat@FREEMAIL.HU>
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Subject:      Re: Rijndael - AES encryption link.
Comments: To: jwittkamepr@v-one.com
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Strange, but AES-Rijndael 80186 link only works this way:

<www.esat.kuleuven.ac.be/%7Erijmen/rijndael/index.html>

Why does it not accept the tilde? I did hand-correct it the
first time iposted, purely for aestethic reasons! My
fault...

Sincerely: Tamas Feher.

>Below link didn't work for me.
>>www.esat.kuleuven.ac.be/~Erijmen/rijndael/index.html

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 07:00:58 +1100
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              Russell Hemery <rhemery@POWERUP.COM.AU>
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Hi all

I just found this site  http://www-sci.lib.uci.edu/HSG/RefCalculators.html
and wonder if any of the calculators listed might be "converted" to run on
the LX as a group resource?

FYI there are 13,000 calculators on the site. ALL sorts of stuff some VERY
obscure ones as well as a LOT of useful ones

Cheers

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:31:45 -0500
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              Andrew Lovell <andrew@LOVELL-INFO.SE>
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Subject:      Re: Fluff: HP 200LX Day!
Comments: To: Nathalie Bugeaud <tps-seti@WANADOO.FR>
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Hi

If there is to be a really international LX meeting, I think it should be
at a city with an airport that starts with LX.

There are only two - Lhasa (LXA) and Luxor (LXR). Since Lhasa might not be
too ameanble, especially in winter, I suggest Luxor. We could then go for
camel rides to the pyramids when we have finished comparing notes about our
palmtops...

Regards

Andrew

>lots of dates, but no place has been mentioned - the LX is too
>international, but if i had a choice - next to my home it would be LA - for
>Avi and Longden live there.

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Date:         Tue, 6 Mar 2001 07:46:01 +0200
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From:         David Becher <davidb@NETMEDIA.NET.IL>
Subject:      Re: Hope Springs Eternal - Synching the 200LX with Lotus Notes

Lawrence Fast writes:
> It is perhaps an indication of the changes that have occurred in computing
> over the last decade that the contact database in the 200LX does seem
> rather dated ... There are no automatic fields for such contemporary basics
> as mobile telephone numbers, email addresses, and business addresses as well
> as home addresses.

The phone book is simply another database. You can add fields to it for
email, business addresses etc up to IIRC 3 pages of info. The only problem
with this is that the desktop version of the phone book in connectivity pack
does not support this capability. One of the beauties of the HPLX database
engine is that the phone book and other applications use this modifiable
database.

By the way Owen, I am writing this while walking to work. Typing and walking
on a PSION is not as easy as on an HPLX <VBG>.

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 15:47:41 -0500
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              Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM>
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Subject:      Re: Group project? 13,000 calculators

Kewl site. I've been looking for a DOS Ip subnet calculator forever but
never found one. I've thought of writing one but would have to learn a whole
lotta stuff to do it.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Hemery" <rhemery@POWERUP.COM.AU>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:00 PM
Subject: Group project? 13,000 calculators


> Hi all
>
> I just found this site  http://www-sci.lib.uci.edu/HSG/RefCalculators.html
> and wonder if any of the calculators listed might be "converted" to run on
> the LX as a group resource?
>
> FYI there are 13,000 calculators on the site. ALL sorts of stuff some VERY
> obscure ones as well as a LOT of useful ones
>
> Cheers
>
> Russell
>
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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:12:46 -0500
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Andrew Lovell wrote:

> Hi
>
> If there is to be a really international LX meeting, I think it should be
> at a city with an airport that starts with LX.
>
> There are only two - Lhasa (LXA) and Luxor (LXR). Since Lhasa might not be
> too ameanble, especially in winter, I suggest Luxor. We could then go for
> camel rides to the pyramids when we have finished comparing notes about our
> palmtops...

Then there is LAX, which may be appropriate because isn't HP in California?  Any

airports that start with HP?

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:02:15 -0600
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For Ron Zhang (copied from the 123 Desktop version, help screen)


A linking formula has the following format:

   +<<FILE REFERENCE>>CELL REFERENCE

 It begins with a + (plus), followed by the name
 of the source file in double angle brackets and
 the cell address or range name of the source
 cell, for example, +<<UKSALES>>A1.

 If the source file does not have the extension
 .WK1, enter the extension.  If the source file is
 not in the current directory, enter the path
 before the file name, for example,
 +<<C:\DATA\UKSALES>>A1.

TIP

   To list all the files that you linked to the
   current worksheet through linking formulas,
   use /File List Linked; to create a table of
   these files in the worksheet, use /File Admin
   Table.

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 16:10:48 -0600
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              Ed Keefe <emkeefe@USWEST.NET>
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Russell Hemery cited the site
http://www-sci.lib.uci.edu/HSG/RefCalculators.html
as a source for a lot of calculators.

I had not visited this site for several months, at least. It's gained many
more 'calculators' than I remember.

I've tried going to the links and viewing the source files, looking for the
Java code that implements a given calculator. Some of the code looks like it
could be converted to C/C++ pretty easily.

It would be better if the calculator's author would just post a formula. A
formula could be entered in HP Solve and you'd be well on your way to having
the same calculator on the Palmtop.

Just a thought.
.ed.

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:59:37 +0200
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              Daniel Hertrich <d.hertrich@GMX.DE>
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Hi friends,

I just found in my cellar an old CR2032 lithium battery that must have
been lying around for about 3 years now. I have probably used it a
little bit before I have put it into the box where I found it today.

I was courious whether the Lithiums hold their charge really as long as
promised. So I inserted it into the LX and fired up LXPRO to see what
it says about the backup battery.

First it said BkUP Low now 3.13V (!), and then I worked a little bit
with my palmtop and fired LXPRO up another time and it still said the
battery had 3.13V, but the "low" converted to "ok".

I'm going to use this battery now as my backup battery to see how ling
it will last and especiall y to see how long that high voltage will
last. Strange, isn't it?

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:01:10 +0000
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              Russel Brooks <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM>
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Hal Goldstein wrote:
> <<I've often seen software carousel mentioned on this list and would like to
> try it. Does anybody have a copy for sale ? Thanks.>>
>
> We sell it at www.palmtoppaper.com

And it's worth every penney; SC at least triples the usefullness
of my 200LX.  This is a "must have" app for the LX.

Cheers... Russ

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 00:27:45 +0100
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Howdy!

On Friday the 9th. of March there will be an interview with me(!) on =
Norwegian TV2! (This is a really small country and news is slow this time =
of year... :o)

If you have a reasonably fast computer and a fast Internet connection, you =
should be able to see it on "http://www.tv2.no". The interview will be at =
the end of the nine o' clock news (local time). That's 20:00 GMT. You all =
have palmtops so I'll leave it to you to figure out when this is at your =
local time. I'll be speaking Norwegian of course, so most of you won't =
understand a word, but you can see my boat, my dog, my wonderfully =
beautiful surroundings and might even catch a glimpse of my MC218, my SH888 =
and my HP200LX... :o)

Owen
--
On a sailboat. In Norway
http://pagina.de/naomi.=

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:20:56 -0500
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              "Francois G ." <matrix@SHOT.ORG>
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Subject:      Re: One moment of fame... :o)
Comments: To: "Owen H. Morgan" <ohmorgan@iname.com>
In-Reply-To:  <k7DmwXfRS3DP.bs48tkRS@mail.c2i.net>; from Owen H. Morgan on Thu,
              Mar 08, 2001 at 12:27:45AM +0100
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Congratulations Owen!  I'll be watching from the office while you're shooting
the breeze on your boat :)

For those of us who won't understand what's being said, care to share what
the interview will be about? :)

--francois

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 12:27:45AM +0100, Owen H. Morgan wrote:
> Howdy!
>
> On Friday the 9th. of March there will be an interview with me(!) on Norwegian TV2! (This is a really small country and news is slow this time of year... :o)
>
> If you have a reasonably fast computer and a fast Internet connection, you should be able to see it on "http://www.tv2.no". The interview will be at the end of the nine o' clock news (local time). That's 20:00 GMT. You all have palmtops so I'll leave it to you to figure out when this is at your local time. I'll be speaking Norwegian of course, so most of you won't understand a word, but you can see my boat, my dog, my wonderfully beautiful surroundings and might even catch a glimpse of my MC218, my SH888 and my HP200LX... :o)
>
> Owen
> --
> On a sailboat. In Norway
> http://pagina.de/naomi.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:01:42 +0000
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              Russel Brooks <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM>
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Daniel Hertrich wrote:
> I'm going to use this battery now as my backup battery to see how ling
> it will last and especiall y to see how long that high voltage will
> last. Strange, isn't it?

I hope you're doing this with a backup LX.  Considering how
important a backup battery is to the safety of data, it's the
last protection before data loss if the main batteries die,
I wouldn't want to run a test like this while using my main LX
and data.

Cheers... Russ

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Date:         Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:15:33 -0500
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              Ken Hansen <n2vip@BELLATLANTIC.NET>
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How do I get past the login prompt to see the broadcast?

I clicked on the GB flag (or is it UK?), got english
saw "live" on the left, clicked it,
got a log-in screen, in norwegian (sp?)

I know, I know, My grandmother is Norwegian (and my late Grandfather too),
and the name is Hansen, but I can't figure it out further...

Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Francois G ." <matrix@SHOT.ORG>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: One moment of fame... :o)


> Congratulations Owen!  I'll be watching from the office while you're
shooting
> the breeze on your boat :)
>
> For those of us who won't understand what's being said, care to share what
> the interview will be about? :)
>
> --francois
>
> On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 12:27:45AM +0100, Owen H. Morgan wrote:
> > Howdy!
> >
> > On Friday the 9th. of March there will be an interview with me(!) on
Norwegian TV2! (This is a really small country and news is slow this time of
year... :o)
> >
> > If you have a reasonably fast computer and a fast Internet connection,
you should be able to see it on "http://www.tv2.no". The interview will be
at the end of the nine o' clock news (local time). That's 20:00 GMT. You all
have palmtops so I'll leave it to you to figure out when this is at your
local time. I'll be speaking Norwegian of course, so most of you won't
understand a word, but you can see my boat, my dog, my wonderfully beautiful
surroundings and might even catch a glimpse of my MC218, my SH888 and my
HP200LX... :o)
> >
> > Owen
> > --
> > On a sailboat. In Norway
> > http://pagina.de/naomi.
> > ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml
>
> ** HPLX-L LIST Info at http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mchem1/HPLX.shtml
>

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:27:05 +0200
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              "Ernst, Yehuda" <yernst@NDSISRAEL.COM>
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Hello!


I want to use the serial com1 port in dos mode(not dos window)
how do i enable it in the 200lx

Thanks Yehuda.

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:23:14 +0000
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              Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE
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There is no longer any doubt that PalmOS based organizers took
over the leadership in todays handheld market by means of sold
(and probably used) units. An increasing number of applications
and all kind of related data is appearing.

Instead of converting the data into a palmtop friendly format
the ultimate solution would be to have a PalmOS emulator on the
palmtop capable of running original PalmOS applications in a
160x160 window on the HP.

Because we have no touchscreen, handwriting recognition needs
not to be emulated, which should make things much easier.

Indeed some kind of pointing device must be available to
simulate the pen. We could use a graphics cursor moved by the
cursor keys. Assuming a 8x8 character size, moving the cursor
by 8 pixel for one keypress results in 20 keystrokes to reach
each location in the 160x160 window.

The 4 Palm keys could easily be replaced by the blue palmtop
application keys.

The emulator should not run the built in Palm applications,
just additional applications available from 3rd party
developers. It is the same idea as with the XT-CE emulator
running DOS under WinCE.

The attractiveness of such an emulator even for Palm users is
the immediate availability of a very good and small keyboard
and indeed the possibility of reliable data storage on the HP's
flash card.

AFAIK the Palm has just memory, 4 keys, 2 cursorkeys, a screen,
a serial port and an IR port. None of these devices is missing
on the HP. Serial an IR port are not that important, because we
have other ways to transfer the programs and data from the
web to the HP.

I am sure, such an emulator could be written for the palmtop,
because XT-CE was possible, but it is a huge project in the
range of several man years. Palm binary code has to be
translated online into 80186 code and calls to the PalmOS have
to be replaced by similar calls to DOS or the BIOS on the fly.
Indeed it would not be very fast, but possibly also not very
slow, assuming the Palm applications are not in the range of
xxx KB.

Would you go for an emulator allowing you to run most Palm
applications on the HP? I guess many of us would ...

...and the lifetime of the HP could be prolonged to the
lifetime of the Palm.

Stefan

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:14:21 -0600
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              Barry <barry@FBTC.NET>
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From:         Barry <barry@FBTC.NET>
Subject:      Re: Zip drive and 200lx  (was:FLUFF: EPOC (Was: HP in the news))
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Martin Bergvill wrote:

> I hope so. I see in the near future two great
> minds creating a zip->hplx gadget :-)

Such a gadget already exists and is available at
www.palmtoppaper.com. I forget the brand name but it's a PCMCIA
parallel port.  You can plug the Parallel port Zip drive right
into it.

While the Zip's drivers say they need an 286, the 186 of the
200lx has all the opcodes of the 286 except those involving
protected mode, which the Zip driver doesn't use.

I don't have the parallel card but I do have an old laptop with
a Nec V20 chip (an 80186 clone) that works just fine with the
Zip drive.  And a lot of people have used it with that parallel
card.

Barry

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 08:24:21 -0600
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              Barry <barry@FBTC.NET>
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Ron Zhang wrote:
> If I have to use a cell content from another
> worksheet, how do I refer to it? Someone
> posted it but I forgot:-)

+<<filename>>rangename

I think with 2.4 you can also use just a cell reference (A3 for
example) instead of a range name.  But in 2.1, which is the one
I used to use so  much, you couldn't.

The << and >> are needed.

Barry

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:31:24 -0500
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              Andrew King <aking5@MEDIAONE.NET>
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>   Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 09:17:33 -0800
>   From: Longden Loo <Longden_Loo@CANDLE.COM>
>Hi all.
>I live in an area where I seem to have only two choices for DSL service:
>PacBell and Telocity.

I have had good luck with a Linksys router, (BEFSR41) which
connects to the cable modem and gives me 4 ports which I can use
simoultaneously.
A neat feature is the ability to configure the router with a
different network adaptor ID number. The tech came in and
connected my desktop computer to the cable modem. Next I
connected the router to my desktop (through the ethernet card)
and set the router to have the same network ID as the desktop.
Last connect the router to the cable modem which sees the same
network ID as before.
I needed a firmware upgrade when I did this (September 00).
Hopefully the firmware is now standard issue.
The router also acts as a firewall so no one on the outside can
see any of my local computers. There are options to open certain
ports for webservers or games.
See http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=20&grid=5
for all the details.

--
Andrew King
Ann Arbor Michigan
technology is the answer, what was the question?

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:39:46 +0100
Reply-To:     "Owen H. Morgan" <ohmorgan@iname.com>
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From:         "Owen H. Morgan" <ohmorgan@INAME.COM>
Subject:      Re: One moment of fame... :o)
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Hi again.

I wrote (>):

> If you have a reasonably fast computer and a fast Internet
> connection, you should be able to see it on
> "http://www.tv2.no".

It has been brought to my attention that you have to register at TV2 before =
you can view their online TV transmission. It would probably be a good idea =
if not everyone is doing this two minutes before the program starts! Also, =
at the very bottom of the form, there is an easily overlooked choise =
whether you want to receive e-mail news reports (in Norwegian) or not. The =
choices are "Ja" (=3Dyes) or "Nei" =3D(No).


Owen
--
On a sailboat. In Norway
http://pagina.de/naomi.j=

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:40:42 -0500
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              Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM>
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Subject:      Re: Looking for software carousel

I would like to second that. I have found it to be an indispensible
accessory. The DOS 5 shell is a good second place free alternative but you
can't beat SC for compatability with built in apps and speed on the palmtop.
It's really handy to be able to switch to another window to loook something
up and go back to your app where you left off. It's especially good when
combined with EEM and a mem upgraded unit.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Russel Brooks" <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for software carousel


> Hal Goldstein wrote:
> > <<I've often seen software carousel mentioned on this list and would
like to
> > try it. Does anybody have a copy for sale ? Thanks.>>
> >
> > We sell it at www.palmtoppaper.com
>
> And it's worth every penney; SC at least triples the usefullness
> of my 200LX.  This is a "must have" app for the LX.
>
> Cheers... Russ
>
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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:32:35 +0000
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              fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET
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> Would you go for an emulator allowing you to run most Palm
> applications on the HP? I guess many of us would ...
>
> ...and the lifetime of the HP could be prolonged to the
> lifetime of the Palm.

Now there is a project!!!!!!!!  The idea alone deserves an award!

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:32:48 +0000
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              fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET
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Subject:      Re: Zip drive and 200lx  (was:FLUFF: EPOC (Was: HP in the news))
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> Martin Bergvill wrote:
>
> > I hope so. I see in the near future two great
> > minds creating a zip->hplx gadget :-)
>
> Such a gadget already exists and is available at
> www.palmtoppaper.com. I forget the brand name but it's a PCMCIA
> parallel port.  You can plug the Parallel port Zip drive right
> into it.


Transdigital.  But its limitation is that you cannot directly back up
the a: drive since the pcmcia port is occupied.  The serial method of
hooking to a zip would allow the entire c: a: etc to be backed up over
the serial port.

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:35:00 -0500
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              Bruce_Martin@MANULIFE.COM
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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:58:11 -0500
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On Sat, 3 Mar 2001 15:38:37 -0800, Mike Schneider <mikeschn@ameritech.net> wrote:

>
> I keep getting an error downloading the file. It blows up on me during the
> last second. Anyone else have that error? Any suggestions?

I haven't tried this file yet, but had the same problem on the
3Com Web site with Netscape. Only solution was to use IE.

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:58:17 -0500
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 10:21:58 -0500, Ken London <KenLondon@BELD.NET> wrote:

>
> Tamas Feher wrote:
>
> > I would be happy even if only the VMS became available for IBM
> > PC. In early 90's DEC made it; up to a bost-alpha test release and
> > then it was abandoned. Why the damn hell can't Compaq release it
> > into public domain for finishing development, at least for edu
> > purposes?
> >
>
> VMS was not made in the 90s, I was using it in the 70s on a VAX 11.
> You would not want it on a PC, it was very buggy,  crashed alot, and
> was very expensive.  This was from DEC long before compaq.

As has been stated by at least one other writer, you have
misread Tamas' original post. In addition, I disagree that VMS
was "buggy and crashed a lot." I worked at the central
research lab for a major US corporation. During the late
1970's and 1980's we had a rather large cluster of VAX's
running under VMS. This cluster of "mini-computers" was our
main computing resource, handling everything from e-mail to
word processing to large numerical simulation programs. My
recollection is that the system was very stable and reliable.

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On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:36:44 -0500, KenLondon <KenLondon@BELD.NET> wrote:

> In general the entire system crashed very often, Many times when I had no
> applications running.

Which version of VMS? On which platform?

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In-Reply-To:  <20010308163242.FMLS20557.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net> from "F. Kaufman" at Mar 08,
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> Transdigital.  But its limitation is that you cannot directly back up
> the a: drive since the pcmcia port is occupied.  The serial method of
> hooking to a zip would allow the entire c: a: etc to be backed up over
> the serial port.

This limitation does not apply if you use the doubleslot adaptor along
with the transfile parallel port.

-Chris Lott

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:25:19 -0600
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Ed Padin wrote:
> Kewl site. I've been looking for a DOS
> Ip subnet calculator forever but never
> found one. I've thought of writing one but
> would have to learn a whole lotta stuff to
> do it.

I suspect that a subnet mask calculator will be a little narrow
for a group project.  I know very little about networks so I've
just been looking at some things about how IP addresses and
subnet masks work.  Just some basic introductory stuff.  It
looks like to write a subnet mask calculator you have to know a
LOT about IP addressing.

I've written a number of calculators of various types for my own
use and for the use of some of the programmers where I worked.
And this looks like an interesting project.  Also maybe a good
excuse to learn PAL.

So, with that in mind, can you give me an idea of what you want
from a subnet mask calculator?  Keep in mind that I know what an
IP address looks like and what a subnet mask looks like and why
it's there, but I know very little else about it.  I'm
comfortable dealing with numbers in various bases.

What would you want it to do?  What problems would you ask it to
solve?

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:24:50 +0200
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Hi Russel

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:01:42 +0000, Russel Brooks <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM> wrote:

> I hope you're doing this with a backup LX.  Considering how
> important a backup battery is to the safety of data, it's the
> last protection before data loss if the main batteries die,
> I wouldn't want to run a test like this while using my main LX
> and data.

it's my main LX.
But since I run a nightly backup and don't change very much of my data
on the RAM drive of the LX, which is only 6MB in size and only holds
the PIM data and communication programs, but for example no email etc.,
a data loss is never very awful to me.

I keep all important and sensitive data on me flash card.

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:44:50 -0800
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> I want to use the serial com1 port in dos mode(not dos window)
> how do i enable it in the 200lx

I think it's

     d:\bin\serctl /w

options are:
/o   off
/w   wired
/i   infra-red

This is described in section 25-9 of the 200LX manual.

You might still have to use "mode" to set the baud rate, since serctl just
powers up and activates the ports.

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:39:39 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Peichl" <Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 9:23 AM
Subject: Group Project: Palm Emulator


>> Instead of converting the data into a palmtop friendly
format
the ultimate solution would be to have a PalmOS emulator on
the
palmtop capable of running original PalmOS applications in a
160x160 window on the HP.<<

>>I am sure, such an emulator could be written for the
palmtop,
because XT-CE was possible, but it is a huge project in the
range of several man years. Palm binary code has to be
translated online into 80186 code and calls to the PalmOS have
to be replaced by similar calls to DOS or the BIOS on the fly.
Indeed it would not be very fast, but possibly also not very
slow, assuming the Palm applications are not in the range of
xxx KB.<<

Not only is this possible, it is supported by Palm!   No need
to start from scratch.  They have discussions groups on this
subject, source code, and pointers to emulators for Windows,
WinCE, and Unix!   Check out
http://www.palmos.com/dev/tech/tools/emulator/
Once you get a load of that site, you'll realize that this
project would not require years, only months (maybe weeks?)
:-b

I have many ideas of my own concerning this project, but I
would like to see some of the experts here go to the above
site, digest the information, then comment intelligently
before non-programmers like me start talking.

One caveat:  Once you study the above site, you'll realize
that there is no real economic future to this project.  It
would have to be free (someone should email Andreas and/or Avi
and see if they might be interested, since the above site
provides some real information).

>> Indeed some kind of pointing device must be available to
simulate the pen. We could use a graphics cursor moved by the
cursor keys. Assuming a 8x8 character size, moving the cursor
by 8 pixel for one keypress results in 20 keystrokes to reach
each location in the 160x160 window.<<

There is a Palm program designed to simulate the pen, when
using a Palm with a keyboard.

>>The emulator should not run the built in Palm applications,
just additional applications available from 3rd party
developers. It is the same idea as with the XT-CE emulator
running DOS under WinCE.  <<

The above emulator from Palm requires the ROM of a real Palm,
so it would run the built-in applications as well.


 >> AFAIK the Palm has just memory, 4 keys, 2 cursorkeys, a
screen,
a serial port and an IR port. None of these devices is missing
on the HP. Serial an IR port are not that important, because
we
have other ways to transfer the programs and data from the
web to the HP. <<

Unlike the HPLX, the IR port is an essential part of the Palm,
and it would be great if that could be addressed as well.

Best wishes  on this project.

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:48:04 -0800
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<<
If you have a reasonably fast computer and a fast Internet connection, you
should be able to see it on "http://www.tv2.no". The interview will be at
the
end of the nine o' clock news (local time). That's 20:00 GMT. You all have
>>

Does anyone have a website link that does Norwegian to English
translations?

The other translation websites mentioned recently don't list Norwegian as
an option.

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:48:12 +0100
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Hi

Ken Hansen wrote (>):

> How do I get past the login prompt to see the broadcast?

Oh darn! If I'd known it was going to be this difficult, I wouldn't have =
mentioned it at all. It'll probably just be a minute or two about me and =
the boat. I don't have access to the site myself as I only use the MC218 =
and cell phone for the little "surfing" I do.

I asked my Mom to check this out, and here is what she wrote:

Minimum requirements:
200 Mhz Pentium II Processor
SVGA colour screen with a resolution of at least 800 x 600 pixels, Internet =
Explorer 4.0 or Netscape Navigator 4.0
TV 2 web TV uses the Microsoft Windows Media format and Real Media format =
If you don't have any of these, there are links to both on the page called =
HJELP (Help)

To register go to www.tv2.no

Return to Hovedsiden (Main page) and click Web TV
You will get a page with the heading:
Velkommen til TV 2's web TV.

First type your e-mail address in the space marked Epost.
At Passord (Password) type a suitable password, and click the button marked =
Registrer deg her (Register here)

Next page is a registration form. All spaces marked with a red asterisk =
must be filled in.

The spaces are:
Fornavn (First name)
Etternavn (Surname, last name, family name)
Epost (e-mail address)
Passord (Password)
Gjenta passord (Repeat password)
Postnr (Post code, zip code)
Kj=F8nn (sex, gender)     Mann (Male)     Kvinne  (female)
F=F8dsels=E5r (Year of birth)
Internettleverand=F8r (ISP)
Hastighet (Connection speed)

Jeg vil ta imot varsling om ekstrasendinger og informasjon fra TV2.no
JA  NEI   Choose NEI
Click the button named Registrer meg (Register)

Mom didn't go all the way to actually viewing anything, but I'd guess the =
next page simply asks for your password and username or maybe the e-mail =
address you registered.

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Victor Roberts wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:36:44 -0500, KenLondon <KenLondon@BELD.NET> wrote:
>
> > In general the entire system crashed very often, Many times when I had no
> > applications running.
>
> Which version of VMS? On which platform?
>
> Vic Roberts

I don't remember what version...that was many years ago.  The platform was
a VAX 11/780.

P. S.  I'm using netscape 4.7, anyone know how to set netscape so that
responses only go to the list and not to the person I'm responding to?

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Stefan Peichl wrote:

> There is no longer any doubt that PalmOS based organizers took
> over the leadership in todays handheld market by means of sold
> (and probably used) units. An increasing number of applications
> and all kind of related data is appearing.
>
> Instead of converting the data into a palmtop friendly format
> the ultimate solution would be to have a PalmOS emulator on the
> palmtop capable of running original PalmOS applications in a
> 160x160 window on the HP.
>
> Because we have no touchscreen, handwriting recognition needs
> not to be emulated, which should make things much easier.
>
> Indeed some kind of pointing device must be available to
> simulate the pen. We could use a graphics cursor moved by the
> cursor keys. Assuming a 8x8 character size, moving the cursor
> by 8 pixel for one keypress results in 20 keystrokes to reach
> each location in the 160x160 window.
>
> The 4 Palm keys could easily be replaced by the blue palmtop
> application keys.
>
> The emulator should not run the built in Palm applications,
> just additional applications available from 3rd party
> developers. It is the same idea as with the XT-CE emulator
> running DOS under WinCE.
>
> The attractiveness of such an emulator even for Palm users is
> the immediate availability of a very good and small keyboard
> and indeed the possibility of reliable data storage on the HP's
> flash card.
>
> AFAIK the Palm has just memory, 4 keys, 2 cursorkeys, a screen,
> a serial port and an IR port. None of these devices is missing
> on the HP. Serial an IR port are not that important, because we
> have other ways to transfer the programs and data from the
> web to the HP.
>
> I am sure, such an emulator could be written for the palmtop,
> because XT-CE was possible, but it is a huge project in the
> range of several man years. Palm binary code has to be
> translated online into 80186 code and calls to the PalmOS have
> to be replaced by similar calls to DOS or the BIOS on the fly.
> Indeed it would not be very fast, but possibly also not very
> slow, assuming the Palm applications are not in the range of
> xxx KB.
>
> Would you go for an emulator allowing you to run most Palm
> applications on the HP? I guess many of us would ...
>
> ...and the lifetime of the HP could be prolonged to the
> lifetime of the Palm.
>
> Stefan
>
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Actually the hp200lx is mising something else the palm has....an OS that

sucks big time.


I for one have no desire to run any palm applications.   If I did I
would have
bought a Palm, I don't so I didn't.

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As father of the baby I feel responsible of giving it a name.
I'll call it HPALMLX for several reasons:

1) Google found no single hit for this word, which makes it
   easy to track the project on the web

2) It contains parts of the platform, where it should run
   once: HP...LX

3) The word PAL is included, which will play a major role
   in the port.

4) And indeed the word PALM appears, the subject of the whole
   thing.

Hopefully we can achieve HPALMLX.EXE sometimes in the future.

Domingo wrote:

> Not only is this possible, it is supported by Palm!   No need
> to start from scratch.  They have discussions groups on this
> subject, source code, and pointers to emulators for Windows,
> WinCE, and Unix!   Check out
> http://www.palmos.com/dev/tech/tools/emulator/

I downloaded some ZIPs from the site and the most interesting
seems to be the original COPILOT.ZIP file which was the
starting point of everything. It contains the COPILOT.EXE and
PILOTCPU.DLL files besides other minor files. In compressed
form both add to about 160KB. So I think HPALMLX.EXE could also
finally be in the range of 200KB.

There is also a ZIP file containing the complete source in C++
including the Dragon Ball CPU translater. The code is targeted
for Win95 systems. Indeed it must be ported to Turbo-C, PAL
and DOS. Volunteers and professionals are welcome.

Everything looks very promising at that moment. Problems will
occur early enough.

Thanks for the link, Domingo!

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:09:51 -0500
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Now all we nned is lot's more clock cycles!!!

I'm sure it would be slow but ... what a concept.


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Group Project: Palm Emulator


> > Would you go for an emulator allowing you to run most Palm
> > applications on the HP? I guess many of us would ...
> >
> > ...and the lifetime of the HP could be prolonged to the
> > lifetime of the Palm.
>
> Now there is a project!!!!!!!!  The idea alone deserves an award!
>
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Group Project: Palm Emulator



> Actually the hp200lx is mising something else the palm
has....an OS that
> sucks big time.
> I for one have no desire to run any palm applications.   If
I did I
> would have bought a Palm, I don't so I didn't.

A Palm in and of itself is not much to speak of.  Neither is
Windows.  Third party support is what makes both so
impressive.  If the Palm emulator could allow for the
combination of the capabilities of the HP200LX with those of a
Palm, it would certainly make for a very impressive machine.

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:36:35 -0600
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM>
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Date: Thursday, March 08, 2001 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Group Project: Palm Emulator


>Now all we nned is lot's more clock cycles!!!
>
>I'm sure it would be slow but ... what a concept.

Theres a couple routes an emulator could take...  but considering that a
HP200lx
is essentially a 8mhz (or faster with overclocking) PC-XT, while the
hardware in
a palm is more akin to a 16mhz Mac Classic.   Think how speedy a Mac
emulator
would be on an XT and it gives a good idea what performance would be like.

Heres a couple ideas on how to approach an emulator...

True emulator... (ie: POSE port)
The POSE emulator is a open source project which supports a good many
platforms including Windows and Linux...  Its basically a palm 'hardware'
emulator which allows you to run a Palm/OS rom (freely available from
palmos.com).  I do palm development and use the Win32 version of this
emulator on a daily basis... there may even be a dos port around but its
likely to need a 386 or better cpu, and be too slow/cumbersome on the HP
hardware.

Instead of emulating the hardware which requires all instructions to be
executed in an emulated / translated fashion.... it might be possible to
create a native function library which would perform similarly to the Palm
but make calls to native x86 instructions.   This is MUCH more complicated
in my opinion, but would end up with something akin to WINE for Linux.

The first option is by far the most doable (is that a word? nah don' think
so) but is likely to be too slow to be usable on the platform.

In any event, it would be an interesting project... I'll look around and see
if theres a version of POSE which is close to our needs.

Dan
driden@stlnet.com


>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "F. Kaufman" <fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
>To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
>Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 11:32 AM
>Subject: Re: Group Project: Palm Emulator
>
>
>> > Would you go for an emulator allowing you to run most Palm
>> > applications on the HP? I guess many of us would ...
>> >
>> > ...and the lifetime of the HP could be prolonged to the
>> > lifetime of the Palm.
>>
>> Now there is a project!!!!!!!!  The idea alone deserves an award!
>>
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Quick update about POSE the palm emulator.

Its currently available for Windows, Macintosh, and Linux... source code is
available for all 3 versions...

Windows         Visual C++  6.0
MacOS            CodeWarrior
Linux                Probably GCC but couldnt tell from literature.

I havent seen reference to a DOS version anywhere thus far.

Dan
driden@stlnet.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM>
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Date: Thursday, March 08, 2001 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Group Project: Palm Emulator


>Now all we nned is lot's more clock cycles!!!
>
>I'm sure it would be slow but ... what a concept.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "F. Kaufman" <fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
>To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
>Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 11:32 AM
>Subject: Re: Group Project: Palm Emulator
>
>
>> > Would you go for an emulator allowing you to run most Palm
>> > applications on the HP? I guess many of us would ...
>> >
>> > ...and the lifetime of the HP could be prolonged to the
>> > lifetime of the Palm.
>>
>> Now there is a project!!!!!!!!  The idea alone deserves an award!
>>
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Stefan Peichl wrote:

> As father of the baby I feel responsible of giving it a name.
> I'll call it HPALMLX for several reasons:

How about calling it HPPALM2DOS?

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<http://www.cmruk.com/cmrKHD.html>

> The solid state memory capacity achievable is 10.8 Terabytes
> in the surface area of a credit card, scaleable up and down
> without limitation.  Production cost will be less than $50.

Folks,

Anyone heard of this? Is it for real or a hoax or?

Patrick

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Ridenhour" <driden@STLNET.COM>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Group Project: Palm Emulator


> Heres a couple ideas on how to approach an emulator...
>
> True emulator... (ie: POSE port)
>  Its basically a palm 'hardware'
> emulator which allows you to run a Palm/OS rom
>
>  it might be possible to
> create a native function library which would perform
similarly to the Palm
> but make calls to native x86 instructions.   This is MUCH
more complicated
> in my opinion, but would end up with something akin to WINE
for Linux.

Would it be possible to do the first thing, then the second?
IOW, could the first lead to the second?

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:50:55 -0500
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Hi all!

I'm having a bit of a hardware problem.  Actually, it's a column of
bits.

I dropped my poor 200lx a few weeks ago and a few days later, noticed
that the hinge cover (not the end cap) snapped loose.  I closed the
cover and pushed it back in.  Since then, a column of pixels sometimes
disappears when I open the cover.  When it does, some pressure along
the back of the hinge or tapping the back of the cover brings it back.

I think I can fix this problem but I'm not sure how to safely open the
hinge cover again without breaking it.  Could someone recommend some
pointers or a website that gives instructions?

Thanks!

Jeff

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:15:51 -0500
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              Victor Roberts <victor_roberts@COMPUSERVE.COM>
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Well, 11/780s were one of the many VAXs that were very stable for us
under VMS.

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Victor Roberts wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 17:36:44 -0500, KenLondon <KenLondon@BELD.NET>
wrote:
>
> > In general the entire system crashed very often, Many times when I
had no
> > applications running.
>
> Which version of VMS? On which platform?
>
> Vic Roberts

I don't remember what version...that was many years ago.  The platform
was
a VAX 11/780.

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Just whistling in the dark:

I have a thinkpad 701c and because of a long story, ended up
reformatting the drive.  I don't have a port replicator so
can't install my parallel port card CD_ROM to reinstall the
original software.  There is a PCMCIA slot there.  And I do
have a CD-ROM drive that can connect via a PCMCIA card.  How
do I restore PCMCIA services to the computer?  I would
appreciate any help from list members.

TIA
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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:50:04 -0600
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Stefan Peichl wrote:
>I am sure, such an emulator could be
> written for the palmtop, because XT-CE
> was possible, but it is a huge project in
> the range of several man years. Palm
> binary code has to be translated online
> into 80186 code and calls to the PalmOS
> have to be replaced by similar calls to
> DOS or the BIOS on the fly. Indeed it would
> not be very fast, but possibly also not very
>slow, assuming the Palm applications are not
> in the range of xxx KB.

The usual approach to emulation makes it a little easier than
that.  Normally you write an emulator for the CPU first.  I'm
sure there are probably a lot of good 68k emulators available
already.  I know there are for other CPUs.  Then you have to
emulate the rest of the hardware in software, using existing
hardware to do as much of the work as possible.  And then you
write a program to download the Palm bios.  That should work
properly if the rest works properly.

Actually the Palm bios is downloadble from Palm's site but that
probably wouldn't be legal.

Anyway, it's still a pretty big job but not as big as it might
be if you started from scratch.

But I think speed will be a serious problem.  The slowest Palms
are about as fast as the fastest (2x) 200lx's and generally
emulation is about 1/4 the speed of the original.  And some
palms are 20mhz now and I think there are some palm clones that
are 33 mhz.  I'm sure they'll all be there soon.  So the best
you could hope for on a double speed 200lx is about 1/8 the
speed of a 33mhz palm.  And on my single speed lx, 1/16th the
speed of the 33mhz palm.  That's probably too slow to be
considered useful.  Even 1/8 would have very limited usefulness.

Another problem is that the screen on the Palm, even though it's
only 160 pixels, is about 1.4 times the physical height of the
200 pixel high screen of the LX.  Assuming you only use 160
pixels of that height, the screen would be 1/2 the physical size
of the Palm screen.  I think that's too small.  If you use the
full height of the 200lx screen it's going to look sloppy due to
distortion.  Actually that might not be too bad if it's done
well, but it's still too small.

Then when you add in the lack of a touch screen, I cant really
imagine anybody using the emulator except for special
situations.

If it could be done reasonably well, I think it would be a great
idea.  But I doubt that it can be.

But, I've never actually written an emulator so I'm not the
authority on this.  There could very well be tricks that I don't
know about.  But some pretty slick tricks would be required, I
think.

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Date:         Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:58:29 -0900
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Date:         Fri, 9 Mar 2001 00:14:55 -0600
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Dan Ridenhour wrote:
>it might be possible to create a native
> function library which would perform
> similarly to the Palm but make calls to
> native x86 instructions.   This is MUCH
> more complicated in my opinion, but would
> end up with something akin to WINE for Linux.

I'm not a Linux (or Wine) user but my impression is that Wine
doesn't attempt to emulate hardware since it's already using the
same hardware that Windows uses.  Isn't Wine more like a
re-write of Windows than an emulator?

I have to agree with the excitement about this idea.  If it
could be done it would be great.  But only if it was fast enough
to be useful and I really have doubts about that.

But what the heck!  Let's mull it over and see what we come up
with.  It can't hurt.

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Date:         Fri, 9 Mar 2001 00:36:25 -0600
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-----Original Message-----
From: Barry <barry@FBTC.NET>
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Date: Friday, March 09, 2001 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Group Project: Palm Emulator


>Dan Ridenhour wrote:
>>it might be possible to create a native
>> function library which would perform
>> similarly to the Palm but make calls to
>> native x86 instructions.   This is MUCH
>> more complicated in my opinion, but would
>> end up with something akin to WINE for Linux.
>
>I'm not a Linux (or Wine) user but my impression is that Wine
>doesn't attempt to emulate hardware since it's already using the
>same hardware that Windows uses.  Isn't Wine more like a
>re-write of Windows than an emulator?

Yep... which is what i was trying to get at... instead of taking an
emulator approach... the palm os api's could be duplicated but
this may note be possible since the processor is completely
different (68k vs x86)

>
>I have to agree with the excitement about this idea.  If it
>could be done it would be great.  But only if it was fast enough
>to be useful and I really have doubts about that.

As do i... getting it up to speed would be a monumental task.

>
>But what the heck!  Let's mull it over and see what we come up
>with.  It can't hurt.
>
>Barry
>
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a) I would get a copy of Laplink. You can upload this via the serial port.
Then load a CD-Rom on another PC and upload the software using a remote
Laplink drive.

or:
b) Get a diskette image from IBM with the PCMCIA DOS PCMCIA software - go
search for yourself or use

http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/BBOD-3K2N69.html?lang=en_US&page=brand&brand
=IBM+ThinkPad&family=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+701&machineType=IBM+ThinkPad%7C
ThinkPad+701%7C2630&doctype=Downloadable+files&subtype=PCMCIA+%28PC+Card%29

or search directly for PCTPX130.EXE
( Says PCTPX130.EXE   523,195   This package contains the PCMCIA Features
Diskette for the following ThinkPads: 340, 340CSE, 350, 350C, 355, 355C,
355CS, 360, 360C, 360CS, 360P, 360CSE, 360CE, 360PE, 370C, 500, 510CS, 701C,
720, 720C, 750, 750C, 750P, 750CS, 750CE, 755C, 755CS, 755CE,

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Kan Ýmailto:tony.kan@CLEAR.NET.NZ¨
Sent: Friday, March 9 2001 6:40 AM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu
Subject: FLUFF: DOS PCMCIA drivers


Just whistling in the dark:

I have a thinkpad 701c and because of a long story, ended up
reformatting the drive.  I don't have a port replicator so
can't install my parallel port card CD_ROM to reinstall the
original software.  There is a PCMCIA slot there.  And I do
have a CD-ROM drive that can connect via a PCMCIA card.  How
do I restore PCMCIA services to the computer?  I would
appreciate any help from list members.

TIA
Tony.

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Date:         Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:43:05 +0200
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              Daniel Hertrich <d.hertrich@GMX.DE>
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Hello Yehuda,

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:27:05 +0200, "Ernst, Yehuda" <yernst@NDSISRAEL.COM> wrote:

> I want to use the serial com1 port in dos mode(not dos window)
> how do i enable it in the 200lx

Stefan Peichl made several programs to do this.

If you prefer a TSR, use
http://peichl.hplx.net/lxpro.zip

If you want to set the serial port settings at the DOS prompt or from a
batch file, use
http://peichl.hplx.net/setcom1.zip

GTX
daniel

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Grab a copy of PC DOC 7 or 2000
It comes with Phoenix Technologies level 3.01 PCMCIA
support.

<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1220313458>

or

<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1219517257>
or
<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1220396283>

--- Tony Kan <tony.kan@CLEAR.NET.NZ> wrote:
> Just whistling in the dark:
>
> I have a thinkpad 701c and because of a long story,
> ended up
> reformatting the drive.  I don't have a port
> replicator so
> can't install my parallel port card CD_ROM to
> reinstall the
> original software.  There is a PCMCIA slot there.
> And I do
> have a CD-ROM drive that can connect via a PCMCIA
> card.  How
> do I restore PCMCIA services to the computer?  I
> would
> appreciate any help from list members.
>
> TIA
> Tony.
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Date:         Fri, 9 Mar 2001 20:31:26 +0800
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> > Would you go for an emulator allowing you to run most Palm
> > applications on the HP? I guess many of us would ...
> >
> > ...and the lifetime of the HP could be prolonged to the
> > lifetime of the Palm.
>
> Now there is a project!!!!!!!!  The idea alone deserves an award!

I AGREE- 200%!!!

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Dan Ridenhour wrote:

> Heres a couple ideas on how to approach an emulator...
>
> True emulator... (ie: POSE port)
> ...
> Instead ... it might be possible to create a native
> function library which would perform similarly to the Palm
>
> The first option is by far the most doable

In my understanding, the first option requires a PalmOS ROM
image. For legal reasons, this means, someone already has to
own a Palm to be allowed to copy the ROM to the emulator.

That would make the whole thing not very attractice, if you
first have to buy a Palm before you can run the emulator.
Then the HP is really only a keyboard and storage device.

Your 2nd idea is what would be nice to have, because everybody
could immediately download 3rd party software and run it under
the emulator on the HP. No need to own a Palm.

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Date:         Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:05:59 +0200
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Hi Stefan,

First, thanks for this VERY, VERY good idea!
I really hope that this project will keep the HPLX alive for a few
years more than it would be without such an emulator.
I don't know any palm program by now which I desire to run on the LX,
but this can change soon when I start to look for useful programs.
Additionally, my brother has bought a Palm V (he used a 100LX before,
I think he has abandoned it mostly :-( )
And he really seems to like it. Everytime we meet
we show each other our progresses on the Palm(top)s, and so I think
I'll soon learn about useful Palm programs. But I really don't want to
buy such a thing!

On Fri, 9 Mar 2001 00:59:03 +0000, Stefan Peichl <Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE> wrote:

> As father of the baby I feel responsible of giving it a name.
> I'll call it HPALMLX for several reasons:

Very good!

> and DOS. Volunteers and professionals are welcome.

Trust me: If I had the knowledge and time, I would gladly volunteer! I
hope that this project gets enough volunteers to come up with a working
solution soon!

GTX
daniel

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Hi Ken,

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:02:16 -0500, Ken London <KenLondon@BELD.NET> wrote:

> How about calling it HPPALM2DOS?

Too long for a 8.3 EXE file name. But otherwise a good idea.
GTX
daniel

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Hi Jeffrey,

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:50:55 -0500, Jeffrey Veiss <jsv@SIRVEISS.COM> wrote:

> I think I can fix this problem but I'm not sure how to safely open the
> hinge cover again without breaking it.  Could someone recommend some
> pointers or a website that gives instructions?

http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/repair

Try the solution described as the last item on the site.
There are also screws on the right under the display cover. Try to
fasten the four screws, maybe one got loose when you dropped your LX.

GTX
daniel

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Hi friends,

I came up with an algorithm which works in conjunction with GDBIO and
prepares your NDB notetaker file to be loaded onto the REX3 using Chris
Lott's utilities.

The algorithm is finished, it has only be written in C by me, which
will take a little time, due to my lack of programming practice.

My question is: Who would be interested in that program? The more are
interested, the more I'll make the program look nicely and be
convenient in usage.

Please drop me a line, if you are interested.

This program would strongly increase the value of a REX3 to a HP 200LX
user who uses the note taker a lot, I think.
You'll then be able to transfer the phone book and the note taker
contents to the REX.

Chris, how about your progress in appointment book conversion?

GTX
daniel

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> lots of dates, but no place has been mentioned - the LX is too
> international, but if i had a choice - next to my home it would be LA -
for
> Avi and Longden live there.

I'm flattered.  Welcome!
My smog is your smog, but bring your own electricity <g>.

> enjoy a poolside flirt at Beverly Hills Hilton :)

More likely the Motel-6 in South Central Los Angeles.  Judging by the
frequency of shootings in our "good" schools, the inner-city slums are
probably safer by comparison.

> Nathalie, looking forward to practise on Disneyland rides for speeding
> ambulances.

They'll need you at Disneyland.  Several serious ride-related accidents in
the last few months, one resulting in brain-damage.

You're definitely safer in your speeding French ambulance.

- Longden

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Date:         Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:31:59 +0100
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Hello all,

Seems like a double-speed LX is about 1,25 Mips or 1600Dhrystones,
while the Pilot MC68xxx CPU (with MC68000 core) is 2,7 Mips. Not so
good, considering the inevitable overhead of any emulation method. But
both are 16-bit CISC and quite exchangeable. I mean:

For example in Jetdirect ethernet print servers HP used the 68000,
while Extendnet used the 80186 is its plug-compatible clone product.
However PilotCPU can access 4GB RAM, which means some Pilot
applications can only be ported onto 200LX, if the emulator supports
running apps code not only in 640KB but in EMS ver4 space as well;
which even if possible, will cause speed to degrade to almost zero.

Link to Pilot CPU specs sheet is below. BTW, those Motorola developers
just watch too much cartoon and anime, I guess:

<http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/prod_cat/prod_summary.jsp?code=M
C68328&catId=M934310090795>

Sincerely: Tamas Feher

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> Hi - my main batteries died to the point the lx would not turn on.  I =
> replaced the batteries with known good batteries and it still won't.  =
> Any ideas before I lose my data?

1) Try plugging in an AC adapter
2) Double-check your known good batteries (and make sure they're loaded in
the right direction).
3) Check your backup battery (with either AC plugged in, or fresh AAs in
place)

Your data (on the internal drive) may already be gone, if the power was
drained from both main and backup batteries.

If it comes down to replacing them both, I seem to remember that the LX
came with some unpacking instructions that specified loading the batteries
in a certain order (I think it was AA first, then backup), and that I had
problems when the order was reversed (like not starting at all).  Someone
else may have more details on that.

- Longden

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chris wrote:
> There is a palm emulator out there... I used it once or
twice..... Not
> slow when compared to 8mhz ---

Any idea where we can find it?

Anyway the difference from 16mhz to 8 mhz isn't the real issue
although it's part of the problem.  There's also the fact that a
well written emulator will generally run at about 1/4 the speed
of the real thing on the same mhz cpu.  There's a lot of
overhead in the emulation.

Barry

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Date:         Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:26:46 +0100
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On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:02:16 -0500, Ken London <KenLondon@BELD.NET> wrote:
>
> > How about calling it HPPALM2DOS?
>
> Too long for a 8.3 EXE file name. But otherwise a good idea.

Why not simply Palm-LX? HPALMLX is unpronouncable, and looks rather weird
if you ask me. It's not intuitive.


Cheers,

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On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Longden Loo wrote:

> If it comes down to replacing them both, I seem to remember that the LX
> came with some unpacking instructions that specified loading the batteries
> in a certain order (I think it was AA first, then backup), and that I had
> problems when the order was reversed (like not starting at all).  Someone
> else may have more details on that.

Your memory is spot on.  The Quick Start Guide is the source of the
instructions.

Ted

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Peichl" <Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: Group Project: Palm Emulator


Dan Ridenhour wrote:
> Heres a couple ideas on how to approach an emulator...
> True emulator... (ie: POSE port)
In my understanding, the first option requires a PalmOS ROM
image. For legal reasons, this means, someone already has to
own a Palm to be allowed to copy the ROM to the emulator.

************************************************

A used Palm from Ebay can be had for about $50 or less from
Ebay or other sources (a Palm IIIe, which is the least
needed).   Just a thought.

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jok wrote:

> Hi - my main batteries died to the point the lx would not turn on.  I
> =
> replaced the batteries with known good batteries and it still won't.
> =
> Any ideas before I lose my data?

Did you try an AC Adapter?

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Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> Hi Ken,
>
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:02:16 -0500, Ken London <KenLondon@BELD.NET> wrote:
>
> > How about calling it HPPALM2DOS?
>
> Too long for a 8.3 EXE file name. But otherwise a good idea.
> GTX
> daniel
>
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How about Palm2Dos?  Palm doesn't use long file names?  I don't own a
palm so I'm not sure about this.

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Hello,

I experienced with KSTUFF20 and LX-Batch's StuffKey function
and found that I could stuff a number of keys up to the size
of the keyboard buffer. Up to this number the keys are properly
executed.
However, going beyond this number of keys seems impossible. It
looks like a key is not freed from the keyboard buffer after it
is executed.

Does someone have an idea about when these programs free the
buffer? Or do I misunderstand 'key stuffing'? Are all keys stuffed
first and executed thereafter?

Any hit is appreciated.
Norbert

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Date:         Fri, 9 Mar 2001 08:36:54 -0700
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Why not a DOS emulator for the Palm OS / Handspring Visor
platform? It's surprising that no one has taken advantage of
the Visor's plug-in module capability and created a DOS
emulator w/flashdisk combo chip. The plug-in module should
be able to accomodate any OS emulator and provide program
storage as well. Thus, approaching the functionality of the
LX.

Although I really like the form of the Palm/Handspring, it's
no LX by any stretch of the imagination. Lest we forget,
even IBM conceded with its debut of DOS 2000 that "there are
over 100 million people worldwide still using DOS as their
primary OS." Windows may be the entrenched OS in the US,
but not everywhere.

Bob

 Bob Christopher  Littleton, Colorado USA  bob@palmtop.com
                      HP 200-LX Palmtop
                    = DOS Were The Days =

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Date:         Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:50:29 -0500
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Comments: To: Norbert_Giese@T-Online.de

You have to load the kbuf128.sys driver in your config.sys file. THis will
increase our keybaord buffer size to 128 instead of just 8.

To answer your question:  you cannot stuff more than 8 keys into the buffer
until some keys are allowed out. This cannot happen until the keystufer
program relinquishes control to something that will take the keys from the
buffer.




----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 11:38 AM
Subject: Key stuffing programs - general question


> Hello,
>
> I experienced with KSTUFF20 and LX-Batch's StuffKey function
> and found that I could stuff a number of keys up to the size
> of the keyboard buffer. Up to this number the keys are properly
> executed.
> However, going beyond this number of keys seems impossible. It
> looks like a key is not freed from the keyboard buffer after it
> is executed.
>
> Does someone have an idea about when these programs free the
> buffer? Or do I misunderstand 'key stuffing'? Are all keys stuffed
> first and executed thereafter?
>
> Any hit is appreciated.
> Norbert
>
> --
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Date:         Fri, 9 Mar 2001 16:05:00 -0500
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Subject:      Good price on sandisk 160MB compact flash on ebay

I just took a look at this auction for 20 160MB sandisk cards. It looks like
they're going for $180. That seems like a good price so I thought I'd let
the list know.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=12201
17193


BTW: I got nuthin' to do with this auction, jus' passin' along the info....
serusly.

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Hi!

It seems my thunder was stolen by a 107 year old lady... :o(
I just heard from the journalist, and if nothing else more newsworthy =
happens, it will be rescheduled for Tuesday 13th. Same time. The end of the =
news at 21:00 local time (20:00 UTC).

Owen
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Date:         Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:06:52 -0700
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The Motorola site Tamas lists below has source code for a 68000
Assembler/Simulator for MS-DOS that can be compiled with MS C v5.0. =
There
might be some useful code in it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Feh=E9r Tam=E1s Ýmailto:etomcat@2FKFT.COM¨
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 8:32 AM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: Re: HPalmLX hardware-wise
...
Link to Pilot CPU specs sheet is below. BTW, those Motorola developers
just watch too much cartoon and anime, I guess:

<http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/prod_cat/prod_summary.jsp?code=3DM=

C68328&catId=3DM934310090795>

Sincerely: Tamas Feher

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From:         hobchi <hobchi@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Good price on sandisk 160MB compact flash on ebay
Comments: To: Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM>
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Ed, something wrong with it.

The item you requested (12201) is invalid or no
longer in our database. Please check the number
and try again. If this message persists, the item
has expired and is no longer available.

yor pal al...........

--- Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> I just took a look at this auction for 20 160MB
> sandisk cards. It looks like
> they're going for $180. That seems like a good
> price so I thought I'd let
> the list know.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=12201
> 17193
>
>
> BTW: I got nuthin' to do with this auction,
> jus' passin' along the info....
> serusly.
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Date:         Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:34:09 +0000
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              Russel Brooks <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM>
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From:         Russel Brooks <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM>
Subject:      Re: dead lx
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jok wrote:
> Hi - my main batteries died to the point the lx would not turn on.  I =
> replaced the batteries with known good batteries and it still won't.  =
> Any ideas before I lose my data?

Try pressing:  LeftShift-Ctrl-ON
...but don't let it reformat the ram disk if you're trying to
save your old data.

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Date:         Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:38:47 -0500
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Subject:      Re: Good price on sandisk 160MB compact flash on ebay
Comments: To: hobchi <hobchi@YAHOO.COM>
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you didnt get all of the auction number when you cut in paste in winblowz
it only pickups the 1 line you were missing the 17193 (i did the same
thing also) maybe its just hyperterminal bug

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Date:         Fri, 9 Mar 2001 23:39:11 +0100
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So at last I have got a Mobile phone with irda Nokia 6210, and have got =
it working via cable connection. Can anyone help me to set up postLX to =
communicate via the IR port? Regards Helge

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Date:         Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:39:27 -0800
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              "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@BARRERA.ORG>
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Subject:      Re: Good price on sandisk 160MB compact flash on ebay
Comments: To: hobchi@hotmail.com
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hobchi writes:
> Ed, something wrong with it.
>
> The item you requested (12201) is invalid or no

That's just because the url wrapped around because it was too long.

> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=12201
> > 17193

Stick the 17193 back where it belongs and it works just fine.

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Date:         Fri, 9 Mar 2001 17:45:28 -0500
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              Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM>
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From:         Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Good price on sandisk 160MB compact flash on ebay

d00d,

ya gotta reassemble dem yoo-are-els wen dey getz broken by a carrage retoyn
;¬>

"http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=1220
1
17193"

Take the parts between quotation marks and cut-n-paste into notepad, then
make it one line and cut-n-paste that one line into the browser address
line.


lesee, maybe dis will stay 2gether


http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=12201
17193


----- Original Message -----
From: "hobchi" <hobchi@YAHOO.COM>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: Good price on sandisk 160MB compact flash on ebay


> Ed, something wrong with it.
>
> The item you requested (12201) is invalid or no
> longer in our database. Please check the number
> and try again. If this message persists, the item
> has expired and is no longer available.
>
> yor pal al...........
>
> --- Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> > I just took a look at this auction for 20 160MB
> > sandisk cards. It looks like
> > they're going for $180. That seems like a good
> > price so I thought I'd let
> > the list know.
> >
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=12201
> > 17193
> >
> >
> > BTW: I got nuthin' to do with this auction,
> > jus' passin' along the info....
> > serusly.
> >
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> >
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              Larry Tachna <ltachna@ATT.NET>
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From:         Larry Tachna <ltachna@ATT.NET>
Subject:      Re: HPALMLX
Comments: To: Daniel Hertrich <d.hertrich@GMX.DE>
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>>Too long for a 8.3 EXE file name. But otherwise a good idea.

HPALMDOS than?

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I'd just offer a tiny price for palms with broken screens. I know at least
three people with broken palms right now.

-----Original Message-----
Dan Ridenhour wrote:
That would make the whole thing not very attractice, if you
first have to buy a Palm before you can run the emulator.
Then the HP is really only a keyboard and storage device.



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-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick West <francis_patrick_west@YAHOO.COM>
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Date: Friday, March 09, 2001 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: Group Project: Palm Emulator


>I'd just offer a tiny price for palms with broken screens. I know at least
>three people with broken palms right now.

Just a quick note... the quote below was NOT written by me, its probably
part
of a reply someone made to a previous email i sent.


Dan
driden@stlnet.com

>
>-----Original Message-----
>Dan Ridenhour wrote:
>That would make the whole thing not very attractice, if you
>first have to buy a Palm before you can run the emulator.
>Then the HP is really only a keyboard and storage device.
>
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Tachna <ltachna@ATT.NET>
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Date: Friday, March 09, 2001 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: HPALMLX


>>>Too long for a 8.3 EXE file name. But otherwise a good idea.
>
>HPALMDOS than?

If the project ends up being a port to x86 DOS of the POSE (palm OS
emulator)
application, then POSE-LX or something similar might be more in line with
its roots.  Just a thought.


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From:         hobchi <hobchi@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Good price on sandisk 160MB compact flash on ebay
Comments: To: "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@BARRERA.ORG>
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Joe
Thanks for the assist, I didn't see the last five
un-wrapped digits.
yor pal al................

--- "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@BARRERA.ORG>
wrote:
> hobchi writes:
> > Ed, something wrong with it.
> >
> > The item you requested (12201) is invalid or
> no
>
> That's just because the url wrapped around
> because it was too long.
>
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=12201
> > > 17193
>
> Stick the 17193 back where it belongs and it
> works just fine.
>
> - Joe
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Date:         Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:55:11 +0100
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Subject:      Re: Nokia 6210 LX - Help
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Helge,

> So at last I have got a Mobile phone with irda Nokia 6210, and have got =
it working via cable connection. Can
> anyone help me to set up postLX to communicate via the IR port? Regards =
Helge

I'm not sure if the 6210 has a built in modem. If yes just look into
the POST/LX documentation.

  File     Line  Text/Subject
____________________________________________________________________
WWWDOC.TXT:60:   4.8 Using The Infrared Port and IrDA
WWWDOC.TXT:173:=07 Supports IrDA infrared connections
WWWDOC.TXT:1021:4.8 USING THE INFRARED PORT AND IrDA
WWWDOC.TXT:1024:built-in infrared port of the palmtop and can talk the =
IrDA
WWWDOC.TXT:1028:Here is how to set up an IrDA connnection:
POSTHELP.I:544:use an IrDA connection (Port=3D-1). similar as if you had =
started


HP Staber/Salzburg

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Date:         Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:53:04 +0100
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Does anyone on the list have SSHDOS running with DOSPPPD? If so could you =
let me know your setup? What do you put in pppdrc.cfg and chatscr for the =
packet driver and in wattcp.cfg for the ssh client? I have tried just about =
every possible combination, and can't make it work.=20

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. If you have found a different =
solution for ssh access, then I'd appreciate that as well. WWW/LX works for =
me, but includes no ssh client, and it isn't obvious how to make =
third-party clients work with their stack.

Thanks,
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Date:         Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:26:03 +0000
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              Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE
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Dan Ridenhour wrote:

> If the project ends up being a port to x86 DOS of the POSE
> (palm OS emulator) application, then POSE-LX or something
> similar might be more in line with its roots. Just a thought.

I totally agree. My eyes also stumble across my own suggestion
HPALMLX, not to talk about my tongue.

But I still think, as long as we have a chance to design a
name, we should make it easy to be found on the web, and the
'-' in POSE-LX makes that difficult, because it is a command
in search engines. A quick search with Google found no hit for

POSELX     (my preference)
POSE2LX
POSE2DOS
(POSEDOS is already taken)

If D&A does the job, I would also accept POSE/LX :-). Avi, do
you hear?   That we are already talking about a name is usually
a good sign. It won't take long and we will have serious fights
about the name, then we know: It is a real project.

As Barry said, we should start with the CPU emulation. I like
this idea because it could result in something useful even if
it turns out, that a Palm emulator is not possible. The CPU
emulation should also give us an idea about the speed to be
expected.

Work in this direction seems to be done already and a close
look to the web is necessary to save our resources.

I didn't think about the screen size problem, Barry mentions.
160 pixel just end below the pocket quicken logo on the right
side of the screen. And we could put 4 Palm screen on a row
(640/160=3D4). These are really tiny screens and possibly too
small to be useful. The first (and only) Palm screen I saw
immediately reminded me of the HP95LX: Clearly visible pixels
and my first thought was: after that they have to come up with
a better screen (like HP did with the 100LX).

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Date:         Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:47:37 +0000
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This email just reached me private:

> Stefan -
>
> Where can I find HPALMLX? I tried SUPER and your page, both
> unsuccessfully.
>
> TIA..........Washington, DC

we can't work miracles

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Date:         Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:18:07 +0100
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Subject:      Re: Macro control of check boxes
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Hi Chris,

have had the same problem in macros several times,

> Using a macro, I can toggle the state of a check box, but is
> there any keypress or magic trick for setting the box to a
> known state, i.e. set on or set off?
>

No default state, and no easy way to figure out the setting (perhaps
with smart clip, cut and paste, but system macros have no conditional
constructs). For some applications, like APPT, I personally decided what
the default is, and if a macro needs to change it, it must change it
back to the original state, so that other macros can rely on this
initial setting.

Norbert

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Howdy!

I have an unused Ericsson DI28 infrared modem which I would be interested =
in swapping for a CF card (CF 1). The modem fits the newer Ericsson GSM =
phones with a 3.6V battery like for example the T28. I don't have a 3.6V =
Ericsson phone, so haven't tried, but believe it works with the LX. I =
reckon the modem is worth around UKP 40 on the second hand market. I'll =
swap it for a CF card around the same value.

I also have a DC23 PCMCIA modem for the old 6V Ericsson phones. I have no =
idea if this one works with the LX. I no longer have a phone to test it =
with. It's yours for eight new NiMh penlights!

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Helge,

> So at last I have got a Mobile phone with irda Nokia 6210, and have got =
it working via cable connection. Can anyone help me to set up postLX to
> communicate via the IR port? Regards Helge

I use the 6210 too. Here are my settings in the relevant part of my =
www.cfg:

Port=3D-1
Baud=3D38400
; CBST=3D71,0,1 enable ISDN
ModemInit=3DAT&F+CBST=3D71,0,1
Prefix=3Dnone
Dial=3D...

Before the hp200lx will able communicate with the 6210 I had to press
<MENUE><9> on the 6210 in order to enable IrDA.

Kind regards

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Tamas Feher wrote:
> For example in Jetdirect ethernet print servers
> HP used the 68000, while Extendnet used the
> 80186 is its plug-compatible clone product. However
> PilotCPU can access 4GB RAM, which means some
> Pilot applications can only be ported onto 200LX,
> if the emulator supports running apps code not only
> in 640KB but in EMS ver4 space as well;  which even
> if possible, will cause speed to degrade to almost zero.

Memory isn't the problem.  Most Palm apps are small and while
the 68k cpu has more address space than the cpu, PalmOS makes it
easy to use memory in 64k chunks so that's what most programs
do.  And since the program never knows how much of the available
8 meg is already filled with files, they tend to use as few of
these chunks as possible.

Some of the very largest apps might cause problems but most of
them should have plenty of memory.

While the x86 cpu can be made to do any job that the 68k cpu
does, it takes totally different software to do it.  The two
cpus are not compatible in any way.  You mentioned that they're
both 16 bit CISC cpus.  Both being 16 bits makes it easier than
if they different data bus sizes, but compared to the many
differences this is almost trivial.  That they're both CISC cpus
means nothing at all.

It's like trying to use a retired train's steam engine in your
Toyota.  Even if they both have the same number of cylinders you
still have to deal with the differences.

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On Thu,  8 Mar 2001 16:32:35 +0000 (GMT), F. Kaufman wrote:


> > Would you go for an emulator allowing you to run most Palm
> > applications on the HP? I guess many of us would ...
> >
> > ...and the lifetime of the HP could be prolonged to the
> > lifetime of the Palm.
>
> Now there is a project!!!!!!!!  The idea alone deserves an award!

Wow I got a bit exited about this idea..

I want to be a betatester :-)

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Norbert Giese wrote:
>Does someone have an idea about when these
> programs free the buffer? Or do I misunderstand
> 'key stuffing'? Are all keys stuffed first and
> executed thereafter?

I've written key stuffers and the usual procedure is to adjust
the pointers to handle the number of keys you want to insert and
then insert the keys.  This is done with interrupts turned off.

If there are already keys in the buffer you have to decide
whether you want to replace them (not a good idea if you can
avoid it) or only inserting the number of keys still available
in the buffer, which will vary from 0 to 15, and make your
program unreliable.

This is a pretty limited kind of program.  If more
sophistication is needed you can use the system clock and have
your keystuffer install itself as a tsr, monitor the clock and
at each tick check the keyboard buffer and when there's room,
add more keys until they've all been added.

I've done this a few times.  The functionality of such a tsr is
very limited so it uses very little memory.  I've usually
written a seperate program that can cause the tsr to disable
itself or remove itself from memory or add more keys.

The part that does the work should be written in asm although I
guess it can be done in c.  It's simple in asm but probably
fairly tricky in c.  The program that communicates with the tsr
can be written in c although a little asm code in it will make
it simpler to write.

I can dig out some sample code in asm for this if anybody wants
to see it.  But this is part of a project I did at work and that
I can't share, so I'll have to isolate it from the rest of the
project.  This will take a little time so please only ask for it
if you can use it.

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Date:         Sat, 10 Mar 2001 07:57:28 -0800
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Barry writes:
> If there are already keys in the buffer you have to decide
> whether you want to replace them (not a good idea if you can
> avoid it) or only inserting the number of keys still available
> in the buffer, which will vary from 0 to 15, and make your
> program unreliable.

I'd probably choose to either insert all the keys, or if that's
impossible, none of them. All-or-none semantics are good. Especially
when you're dealing with prefix keys and such.

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Hi Stefan,

I agree 100% and would love to see a Palm Emulator for the HP200LX. :-)

I am not a programmer, but I have spent many years beta testing software
for software authors.  I would love to help in the project in any way
that I could.

I also have a Palm VIIx which I use primarily for wireless Juno and AOL
email access.  I hate the pen based environment and that it doesn't have
a real keyboard, so I got a portable fold up keyboard for it that works
OK.  Carrying both everywhere I go doesn't really work, so I leave it in
the car until I need it.

Since I have a Palm, I'm aware of the huge amount of useful software that
is available for it.  A Palm Emulator for the HP200LX would breathe new
life into our HP200LXs!  I would love to be able to run third party Palm
apps on my HP200LX since it has a great keyboard. :-).

Cheers,

John Vander Stel
Grand Rapids, MI

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Or just simply PALM. That probably says it all. The HP200LX is an HP, an
LX, the 200LX, the computer, and even a palmtop but not a PALM.

Bob

Stefan Peichl wrote:
>
> As father of the baby I feel responsible of giving it a name.
> I'll call it HPALMLX for several reasons:
>

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Or just PALMLX.
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On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:11:10 +0100, Guenther Helmuth E. wrote:

> Helge,
>
> > So at last I have got a Mobile phone with irda Nokia 6210, and have got it working via cable connection. Can anyone help me to set up postLX to
> > communicate via the IR port? Regards Helge
>
> I use the 6210 too. Here are my settings in the relevant part of my www.cfg:
>
> Port=-1
> Baud=38400
> ; CBST=71,0,1 enable ISDN
> ModemInit=AT&F+CBST=71,0,1
> Prefix=none
> Dial=...
>
> Before the hp200lx will able communicate with the 6210 I had to press
> <MENUE><9> on the 6210 in order to enable IrDA.

Here is my intistring in Www.cfg.. I get a 38.4 connection, but I can
get more with the correct initistring (which I do not know yet)

Modeminit=ATZ+cbst=81,0,1;+chsn=6,0,0,0

This will use three timeslots and therefor be three times the cost..but
it will ofcourse be faster..

Telenor here in Norway supports High speed data..

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Date:         Sat, 10 Mar 2001 23:14:47 +0000
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Tamas Feher wrote:

> <http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/prod_cat/prod_summary.jsp?code=3DM
> C68328&catId=3DM934310090795>

I downloaded M68000ASS_SIM.ZIP from the bottom of this site
and it contains ASM.EXE and SIM.EXE complete with C-source and
documentation.

From ASM.DOC:

>      The program described here, 68000 Assembler, is a basic two-
> pass assembler for the 68000 and 68010 microprocessors.  It
> supports the complete instruction set of both processors as well
> as a modest but capable set of assembler directives. The program
> produces formatted listing files as well as object code files in
> S-record format.

From SIM.DOC:

>         This manual describes the Motorola 68000 microprocessor
> simulator program.  The program loads 68000 object files in S-record
> format, and simulates the 68000's execution of the code.  The full set
> of 68000 operations is implemented.

Both programs are from 1989 and after I put some pressure on
them (COMPACK) ASM.EXE has now 20KB and SIM.EXE has 30KB.

I transferred both to the palmtop and guess what? They worked
right out of the box. The ZIP file includes *.ASM sample files
in 68000 assembler. I assembled them with ASM.EXE and the
results are *.H68 files. Now I started SIM.EXE and loaded the
*.H68 files and they were executed. SIM.EXE is not only an
emulator but also a debugger.

Should it really be that simple? I cannot believe it. But at
least now we know, everybody who likes to program in 68000
assembler can do that on the palmtop and also run/debug the
program.

This was my first "rendevouz" with 68000 opcodes. Looks
really strange to me...

Should we say, the 68000 CPU emulation will not be the problem?

Tamas, thanks for this link. It saved one year of work.

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Robert K. Meyer wrote:

> Or just PALMLX

The best suggestion until now IMHO. I just put together a
screen with 3 Palms on the HP200LX. That's what you have to
expect if pixel to pixel mapping is used. It is surprising how
small the Palm screen is compared to the HP200LX. Probably one
could zoom by a factor of two, that is, every Palm pixel
results in 4 HP pixels, but then the Palm screen dimensions
will be 320x320 and a nagging page down is required.

Download from

http://peichl.hplx.net/palmlx.zip

BTW I guess there is no doubt, that the whole project must be
open source, because it's based on other open sources.

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Hi again.

Sorry to waste bandwidth on this. I didn't expect all the problems and =
changes. Whatever happens, this will be the last posting on this subject. =
My interview on Norwegian TV2 has now been rescheduled for Monday at the =
end of the news at 21:00 local time (20:00 UTC).

If anyone needs the instructions for signing up to view TV2 online =
repeated, please write me off list.

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Oops,

this message should go to the forum, not to Ed directly. Pardon.


Norbert Giese wrote:
>
> Thank you for the answer Ed,
>
> > ...
> > until some keys are allowed out. This cannot happen until the keystufer
> > program relinquishes control to something that will take the keys from the
> > buffer.
> >
>
> This "something that will take the keys from the buffer" is the core
> question. If the keys would no longer occupy the kuffer once they are
> executed, I can think of a bunch of sophisticated LX-Batch or batch
> applications that go beyond the System Macro facility.
>
> I am sorry that I am not an assembler programmer. KS has source code
> with it, and LX-Batch might have used the PAL library. Perhaps someone
> with programming insights has more knowledge than I about why these
> programs keep their buffer contents until something (perhaps user
> interactive) happens.
>
> Until then,
> Norbert

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John J Vanderstel wrote:
> I am not a programmer, but I have spent
> many years beta testing software for
> software authors.  I would love to help in the
> project in any way that I could.

I'd like to suggest that before we get this project up and
running we find at least one experienced programmer who thinks
it's a viable project.  We seem to have all the beta testers and
the users lined up.  :)

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Stefan Peichl wrote:
> This was my first "rendevouz" with 68000
> opcodes. Looks really strange to me...
>
> Should we say, the 68000 CPU emulation
> will not be the problem?

Let me suggest an experiment now that  you have that runing on
your palmtop.  Write a little program in 68k asm that counts to
some large number.  maybe decrement a register from 0 to 0.
Maybe put that look inside another loop that increments a
register from one value to another.  Basically something that
will take long enough that you can time it fairly easily.
Accurate timing probably won't matter.

Then write the same thing in x86 code using the same values and
run it and time it.

Then compare the two timings.

Granted, this is only one small test and probably not the
fairest of tests.  In fact, given the pre and post decrementing
opcodes of the 68k it might give the 68k an edge.  Regardless, I
suspect the point will be made.

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Stefan Peichl wrote:

>
<http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/prod_cat/prod_summary.jsp?
code=3DM
> C68328&catId=3DM934310090795>

> I downloaded M68000ASS_SIM.ZIP from the
> bottom of this site and it contains ASM.EXE and
> SIM.EXE complete with C-source and documentation.

This link doesn't work.  I did append the cut off part on the
second line.

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>>I'd like to suggest that before we get this project up and
>>running we find at least one experienced programmer who thinks
>>it's a viable project.

we thought that was you?

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>>This link doesn't work.  I did append the cut off part on the
>>second line.

and don't forget to remove the <>'s

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Date:         Sun, 11 Mar 2001 07:58:50 -0800
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Barry writes:
> I'd like to suggest that before we get this project up and
> running we find at least one experienced programmer who thinks
> it's a viable project.  We seem to have all the beta testers and
> the users lined up.  :)

I've been quiet about this, but as an "experienced programmer" (see my
web page if you must :-) I have to say that I think the speed issue
will be the killer. Or more directly, the LX is just too slow to pull
this off. And don't forget, over time, Palm machines will get faster
and bigger and thus newer Palm apps will get piggier and piggier. So
the argument about extending the life of the LX to the life of the
Palm isn't really valid.

Sorry to be such a pessimist, but that's how I see it.

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Date:         Sun, 11 Mar 2001 08:46:20 -0800
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Subject:      Derive A Mathematical Assistant Softwear version 2.55
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Folks,

I just got a copy of
> Derive A Mathematical Assistant
> Softwear version 2.55 for PC on
> 5.25 inch disk.

But no manual. So does anyone have a manual they would part with cheap or
perhaps photocopy or ?

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Date:         Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:51:24 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 10:36 AM
Subject: LX-PALM


> Why not a DOS emulator for the Palm OS / Handspring Visor
> platform? It's surprising that no one has taken advantage of
> the Visor's plug-in module capability and created a DOS
> emulator w/flashdisk combo chip. The plug-in module should
> be able to accomodate any OS emulator and provide program
> storage as well. Thus, approaching the functionality of the
> LX.

There is a program called TrgDOS which sort does what you
suggest for the TrgPro Palm, and there is an old program
called PalmDOS, which is nearly useless.   I love DOS, but DOS
in a Palm makes little sense, since the machines are so
different.  Getting at the internals of a Palm is not easy,
and once done, one can cause as much or more trouble as one
would by messing with the Win9x Registry.

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Date:         Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:07:38 +0000
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I made the PalmLX demo looking nicer. Now it starts with one
Palm, but with the keys 1-3 you get the corresponding number
of Palms displayed with different fonts. ESC exits.

http://peichl.hplx.net/palmlx.zip

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Date:         Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:35:34 +0100
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              Michael Wileman <jwileman@MINDSPRING.COM>
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Mike Kopplin, with whom I have been discussing this problem in private
emai for awhile, suggested there might be some of you also interested
in Psion here who might like to hear the whole story. In fact, I have been
trying to get dospppd and sshdos running under the XTM Dos emulator
under Epoc 5 on a Psion Revo.Thus far, everything which could be
made to work on the HP200LX could be made to work on the Revo if the
hardware was available.

It was on this list for example that I found out what I needed to know to
get the student edition of Matlab 3.5 going, including cga graphics.

I have also been able to get wwwlx working, but as they do not have an
ssh client available, it doesn't fulfill my needs. Interestingly, I have not
yet been able to get it working over the infrared connection with my
GSM phone modem, only with a standard serial modem. The gsm
works fine with the native epoc apps.

Mike

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Date sent:              Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:53:04 +0100

> Does anyone on the list have SSHDOS running with DOSPPPD? If so could you let me know your setup?
 What do you put in pppdrc.cfg and chatscr for the packet driver and in wattcp.cfg for the ssh clie
nt? I have tried just about every possible combination, and can't make it work.
>
> Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. If you have found a different solution for ssh access,
 then I'd appreciate that as well. WWW/LX works for me, but includes no ssh client, and it isn't ob
vious how to make third-party clients work with their stack.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Wileman
>
>
>
>

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Date:         Sun, 11 Mar 2001 13:13:07 -0600
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              Orin Keplinger <orink@IX.NETCOM.COM>
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The original, two line url, worked for me.

This is how I copied and used it, combining the broken lines, as
usual.

http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/prod_cat/prod_summary.jsp?cod
e=MC68328&catId=M934310090795

Orin

----- Original Message -----
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To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: HPalmLX hardware-wise


> Stefan Peichl wrote:
>
> >
> <http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/prod_cat/prod_summary.jsp?
> code=3DM
> > C68328&catId=3DM934310090795>
>
> > I downloaded M68000ASS_SIM.ZIP from the
> > bottom of this site and it contains ASM.EXE and
> > SIM.EXE complete with C-source and documentation.
>
> This link doesn't work.  I did append the cut off part on the
> second line.
>
> Barry
>
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>

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Date:         Sun, 11 Mar 2001 14:31:40 -0500
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Isn't the Palm CPU running at about 3x the clock speed of the LX?

If true, then with *no* translation overhead the Palm software running on
the LX would be 1/3 the spped of the Palm. Now, if it takes 5 LX/x86
instructions to retrieve, translate, execute, translate, store each
Palm/68000 instruction, then a Palm emulator would be *about* 15x slower.

Now, if you were to emulate system calls and translate them to LX
systemcalls, you could achieve reasonable performance, but once you cross
platforms you pay a *huge* performance penalty.

Sun has some experience with this - they had an offering called WABI
(Windows Application Binary Interface) that allowed an x86 Solaris box to
emulate a Windows PC by capturing the windows system calls and turning them
into X Windows calls. I think it also ran on SPARC machines, but the x86
emulation required was a killer.

Sorry,

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@BARRERA.ORG>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Group Project: Palm Emulator


> Barry writes:
> > I'd like to suggest that before we get this project up and
> > running we find at least one experienced programmer who thinks
> > it's a viable project.  We seem to have all the beta testers and
> > the users lined up.  :)
>
> I've been quiet about this, but as an "experienced programmer" (see my
> web page if you must :-) I have to say that I think the speed issue
> will be the killer. Or more directly, the LX is just too slow to pull
> this off. And don't forget, over time, Palm machines will get faster
> and bigger and thus newer Palm apps will get piggier and piggier. So
> the argument about extending the life of the LX to the life of the
> Palm isn't really valid.
>
> Sorry to be such a pessimist, but that's how I see it.
>
> - Joe
>
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Date:         Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:34:02 -0800
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What about putting two double-sized half-screens side by side?

Awful ASCII representation, not to scale:

------------320------------- ------------320-------------
|                           |                           |
|                           |                           |
|                           |                           |
|                           |                           |
160                         |                         160
|                           |                           |
|                           |                           |
|                           |                           |
|                           |                           |
------------320------------- ------------320-------------

It might take a little getting used to to have the top half of the screen
next to the bottom half, but you could use the 4HP pixels per 1 Palm pixel
fairly easily.

         S.

Witty, wise, weird, and wonderful, Stefan Peichl wrote at 06:22 PM 3/10/2001
>small the Palm screen is compared to the HP200LX. Probably one
>could zoom by a factor of two, that is, every Palm pixel
>results in 4 HP pixels, but then the Palm screen dimensions
>will be 320x320 and a nagging page down is required.
>
>Download from
>
>http://peichl.hplx.net/palmlx.zip
>
>BTW I guess there is no doubt, that the whole project must be
>open source, because it's based on other open sources.
>
>Stefan
>
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Date:         Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:18:33 -0800
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Folks,

I'd be happy with a tool that lets me IR beam stuff to the PalmOS platform.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:18:32 +0100
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>This email just reached me private:
 >> Stefan -
 >> Where can I find HPALMLX? I tried SUPER and your page, both
 >> unsuccessfully.
 >> TIA..........Washington, DC
 >we can't work miracles
 >http://peichl.hplx.net/palmlx.zip

Stefan, congratulations - with help from Tamas you succeded in working the
miracle in just 2? days!

I am looking forward to saving more lives with the PALM software running on
my trusted LX

What do iou? :)

 Bussis
Nathalie Bugeaud MD

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Date:         Sun, 11 Mar 2001 21:34:09 -0800
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Just an idea, would it be possible to use the screen something like VR
does? then maybe the whole page would be shown.  I dunno, it is just
by looking at the diagram below made me think of VR.

Marta

Adp> ------------------------------

Adp> Date:    Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:34:02 -0800
Adp> From:    "Steven (Casey) Karp" <skarp@WWC.COM>
Adp> Subject: Re: PALMLX

Adp> What about putting two double-sized half-screens side by side?

Adp> Awful ASCII representation, not to scale:

Adp> ------------320------------- ------------320-------------
Adp> |                           |                           |
Adp> |                           |                           |
Adp> |                           |                           |
Adp> |                           |                           |
Adp> 160                         |                         160
Adp> |                           |                           |
Adp> |                           |                           |
Adp> |                           |                           |
Adp> |                           |                           |
Adp> ------------320------------- ------------320-------------

Adp> It might take a little getting used to to have the top half of the screen
Adp> next to the bottom half, but you could use the 4HP pixels per 1 Palm pixel
Adp> fairly easily.

Adp>          S.

Adp> Witty, wise, weird, and wonderful, Stefan Peichl wrote at 06:22 PM 3/10/2001
>>small the Palm screen is compared to the HP200LX. Probably one
>>could zoom by a factor of two, that is, every Palm pixel
>>results in 4 HP pixels, but then the Palm screen dimensions
>>will be 320x320 and a nagging page down is required.
>>
>>Download from
>>
>>http://peichl.hplx.net/palmlx.zip
>>
>>BTW I guess there is no doubt, that the whole project must be
>>open source, because it's based on other open sources.
>>
>>Stefan
>>
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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:41:42 -0500
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I heard something on the business news about a new system that allows
teachers to "beam" messages to student calculators.  Anyone know
anything about this and if it could be adapted to the 200lx or maybe an
HP545 or an HP680?   The news report was very vague on the details, but
apparently it lets the teacher send messages to the calculator beyond
just the usaul numbers.  Could it work on the 200lx where it already has
a calculator?

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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 07:08:31 +0200
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Another name could be
PALMONLX

That one is really intuitive in my opinion
...

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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:15:52 +0200
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Hi friends,

for all who want to synchronize their REX-3 with the 200LX, please have
a look at

http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/rexsync

It describes what you need and what you can do.
It includes my new tool for converting the note taker file to be loaded
onto the REX with Chris' utilities (NDB2REX).

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:37:53 -1000
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<html><head></head><body>Is there a way to assign ALL files in a directory the same password without doing it individually to each file?<br>
<br>
I have a directory with&nbsp; about 10 sub-directories, and each contains 10 to 20 files.&nbsp; Some are text files, other GDB files.<br>
<br>
Aloha - bob &nbsp; &nbsp; \ooo_<br>
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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:51:47 +0200
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Hi friends,
hi Avi (copy goes to info@dasoft.com)

You see, I'm really enthusiastic at the moment about the REX
synchronization project (have you seen my rexsync page?? 8-) ).

Now I have had another idea how to use the REX: Why not read all the
HPLX-L mail on the REX while sitting in the train or so?

My question: Is there already a tool which converts Post/LX .I files
(inbox) to pure ASCII, even stripping unimportant header lines?

If not, is there at least a detailled desciption of the .I file format?
(I see there are just the pure messages one after the other, separated
by some non-ASCII characters and the string "cso". Is this correct?)

TNX
daniel

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----- Original Message -----
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To: "HPLX Mailing List" <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>; "Barry"
<barry@FBTC.NET>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: Group Project: Palm Emulator


>
> >>I'd like to suggest that before we get this project up and
> >>running we find at least one experienced programmer who
thinks
> >>it's a viable project.
>
> we thought that was you?

I think it's a great idea but I don't think it can be done well
enough to be worthwhile.  What do you think?

Barry

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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:00:31 -0500
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              Sputnik <sputnik@VOICENET.COM>
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Subject:      Re: Group Project: Palm Emulator
Comments: To: Barry <barry@FBTC.NET>
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> I think it's a great idea but I don't think it can be done well
> enough to be worthwhile.  What do you think?
>
only way you guys are going to get a pilot emulator worth anything is
going to need to build a simple DragonBall-PCMCIA cpu card the LX cant
handle emulating 68k processor double-speed or not

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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:24:38 +0100
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              Laust Brock-Nannestad <laustbn@DIKU.DK>
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Subject:      Re: Group Project: Palm Emulator
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Sputnik wrote:

> > I think it's a great idea but I don't think it can be done well
> > enough to be worthwhile.  What do you think?
> >
> only way you guys are going to get a pilot emulator worth anything is
> going to need to build a simple DragonBall-PCMCIA cpu card the LX cant
> handle emulating 68k processor double-speed or not

Of course the LX can handle emulating a 68000 processor (or any processor
for that matter), but it will be slow.

What about implementing the Palm OS API instead and encouraging Palm
developers to port their applications to PalmLX (or DOS, which it will
more or less be)? granted, this doesn't mean that all Palm applications
will run, and they would have to be ported first, but it would solve the
speed problems if the code was compiled as native 186 code instead of
emulated 68k code. Surely, if the API was implemented accurately, then
little or no changes would be necessary to port the applications?

The question is, would Palm developers port their applications to this
"new" platform? commercial developers probably wouldn't, but third party
might.


Cheers,

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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:40:35 -0600
Reply-To:     Chris Lott <rclott@ro.com>
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From:         Chris Lott <rclott@RO.COM>
Subject:      Re: new REX idea (Post/LX export)
In-Reply-To:  <HPLX-L%2001031209495166@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU> from "Daniel
              Hertrich" at Mar 12, 2001 03:51:47 PM
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> My question: Is there already a tool which converts Post/LX .I files
> (inbox) to pure ASCII, even stripping unimportant header lines?
>
> If not, is there at least a detailled desciption of the .I file format?
> (I see there are just the pure messages one after the other, separated
> by some non-ASCII characters and the string "cso". Is this correct?)

Daniel:

I once started trying to figure the .I file format out.  I wanted to
convert them to plain mailbox-format files, so I could read them on
other systems, such as unix-based ones.  Never completeted the effort,
but I still have the directory where I was dumping the data and some
comments/notes.

-Chris

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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:44:32 +0000
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE
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From:         Stefan Peichl <Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE>
Subject:      PalmLX
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A question to Palm owners: Is it possible to take screen shots
on a Palm and convert them to BMP, PCX or GIF (no JPG)?

If this is possible could you send me some typical screen shots
like the opening screen with the icons and some heavy text
and application screens. Then I can put them into PalmLX and
we get the real impression of what it will look like.

Thanks Jorgen for this tip. It works already with the image you
sent me, but I'd like to see some more.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 07:59:39 -0800
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              "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@BARRERA.ORG>
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From:         "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@BARRERA.ORG>
Subject:      Re: PalmLX
Comments: To: Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE
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Stefan Peichl writes:
> If this is possible could you send me some typical screen shots
> like the opening screen with the icons and some heavy text
> and application screens. Then I can put them into PalmLX and
> we get the real impression of what it will look like.

If you go to the palm software web sites you can often find screen
shots. Or just search for
       palm screenshot download
in google and you'll find lots of them. E.g.

http://home.palmpilotarchives.com/audio.html

has several nice screen shots.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:16:23 -0700
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Subject:      Re: PalmLX
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote:

> Stefan Peichl writes:
> > If this is possible could you send me some typical screen shots
> > like the opening screen with the icons and some heavy text
> > and application screens. Then I can put them into PalmLX and
> > we get the real impression of what it will look like.
>
> If you go to the palm software web sites you can often find screen
> shots. Or just search for
>        palm screenshot download
> in google and you'll find lots of them. E.g.
>
> http://home.palmpilotarchives.com/audio.html
>
> has several nice screen shots.

Another good place for screen shots is http://www.palmgear.com
You can search for specific types of programs and many have
screenshots.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:36:36 -0700
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              david feldman <wb0gaz@HOTMAIL.COM>
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Subject:      HP 360LX using IR connected modem (how?)
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

Have purchased a PSION "travel modem" which has an IRDA port.
So far the modem works fine (but makes no sound during the
connecting phase, which may just be it's design.)

Anyway, I got it to work with a JORNADA 720 by telling the
Jornada that the modem was the IrDa port, and it works fine.

I went to the JORNADA 360 to set up a dial-up session, and
discovered that you're initially given a choice of "dial-up"
or "direct" connection; in the "dial-up" mode IR is not
an option for the port, and in the "direct" mode IR is offered,
but it doesn't appear to incorporate the dialing function (it
just starts sending PPP to the modem, so the modem doesn't
try to dial.)

Is this conflict hopeless? I was hoping to use the modem with
the 360 to save power in the 360 from using a PCMCIA modem...

Dave

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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:47:09 -0500
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              "Striegel, Alan" <Striegel@PIOS.COM>
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From:         "Striegel, Alan" <Striegel@PIOS.COM>
Subject:      New hinge crack
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

In most every description and picture I have seen before, the hinge crack
problem has shown up on the surface of the lid, but last Friday my 200LX
started to feel wobbly and I found the problem under the right hinge cap.
For a picture of this crack, look here:
http://www.striegels.com/alan/HPLX/HP%20200LX%20hinge%20crack.jpg.  The
crack extends all the way across the plastic above the hinge area and almost
the entire way through (as you can see in the picture).

As soon as I could, I worked some superglue into the crack with a needle,
closed the lid, and put a little weight on it overnight.  It has been
holding together well since then but I am watching it carefully.  In this
form of crack, opening the lid expands the crack.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:14:45 +0200
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              Daniel Hertrich <d.hertrich@GMX.DE>
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From:         Daniel Hertrich <d.hertrich@GMX.DE>
Subject:      NDB2REX version 1.1
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Hi REXers,

I added some minor fixes to NDB2REX, including the note title
extraction.
Please re-download ndb2rex.zip if you have the old version 1.0!
ndb2rex doesn't create *.txt files anymore from your notes, but uses
the extension *.rxn (rex note) now. That makes it easier to delete the
note files but leaving other txt files untouched.

GTX
daniel


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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:39:00 -0500
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              Ken Hansen <n2vip@BELLATLANTIC.NET>
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Couldn't you do this running the POSE Palm emulator on your
Windows/Mac/Other PC?

Just a screen grab and you are good to go...

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Peichl" <Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:44 AM
Subject: PalmLX


A question to Palm owners: Is it possible to take screen shots
on a Palm and convert them to BMP, PCX or GIF (no JPG)?

If this is possible could you send me some typical screen shots
like the opening screen with the icons and some heavy text
and application screens. Then I can put them into PalmLX and
we get the real impression of what it will look like.

Thanks Jorgen for this tip. It works already with the image you
sent me, but I'd like to see some more.

Stefan

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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:01:23 -0800
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              Patrick West <francis_patrick_west@YAHOO.COM>
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From:         Patrick West <francis_patrick_west@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Group Project: Palm Emulator
Comments: To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Angel_de_Castro_Barco?=
          <ja.castro@teleline.es>
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There is no such item at this time. I was just adding my wishlist.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josi Angel de Castro Barco Ýmailto:ja.castro@teleline.es¨
> Coul'd you send me more information about.
_____________________________________________________
> I'd be happy with a tool that lets me IR beam stuff to the PalmOS
> platform.
> Patrick


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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:15:06 MST
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              curtis j brown <mrbrown8@JUNO.COM>
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I have created a small little command-line utililty to control X-10's
Firecraker that I would like to offer to the palmtop community.

This is the first time I have made something public like this. Please
don't flame me too much. ;) I'm hoping someone might find it useful.

Details can be found at
http://mrbrown.dynodns.net/cm17a

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Date:         Tue, 13 Mar 2001 03:28:00 +0000
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE
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Ken Hansen wrote:

> Couldn't you do this running the POSE Palm emulator on your
> Windows/Mac/Other PC?

Well, I own no Palm (and no ROM image). I don't have Visual C++
V6.0. All I have is the POSE ZIP file (which is 2MB!). It
unpacks in several directories and hundreds if not thousands of
files. THAT IS THE WAY OF PROGRAMMING I LIKE. I don't know
which univerity started to teach this silly idea of putting
every line of C code in a separate file and then use huge make
files to collect them together again. It's like tearing a book
to pieces and then try to read it from the beginning. That
drives me crazy.

I also think, that Visual C++ is overkill for a computer like
the Palm. If applications for the Palm are also written in
Visual C++ then the code is running cirles around every useful
final opcode, and indeed an emulator will only walk circles.

Probably excessive debug information will still be included
in some of the programs of these 100.000 developers worldwide,
which Palm likes to cite. Again a brake for the emulator.

I sometimes regret that Programmers are not like lawyers or
doctors, who don't allow everybody else do their job.

Barry explained some days ago how the short history of
programmimg went. I have nothing to add to what he said.

Common sense today seems to be: If it cannot be done in C,
it cannot be done at all. I still think, this statement is
not true, at least not for slow processors like our 80186.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:30:08 -0500
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              Jeffrey Veiss <jsv@SIRVEISS.COM>
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From:         Jeffrey Veiss <jsv@SIRVEISS.COM>
Subject:      Display problems
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Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Hi all!

Thanks a lot for the pointers to the sites on how to disassemble the HP.
They were all very helpful.  However, it looks like the display may need
to be replaced.  There are now two columns of pixels (starting before I
took it apart) disappearing.  When I put some pressure or tap the back
of the display close to the hinge, they come back.

However, after I put the HP back together, two problems are occurring.
The display is dimmer than it was before at the same brightness setting
 and when I switch programs, the screen flashes with a thick black band
across the screen.  If I reboot (ctrl-alt-del), the display is all funky
until I power off and on again.  This is a 32M DS HP200lx.

Does any of this sound familiar?  The current problems are after I've
reinstalled the drivers on the 2M C:\ drive and restored my data files
onto the 32M drive.  Did I miss anything?

Any assistance is greatly appreciated!


Thanks!

-Jeff

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Date:         Tue, 13 Mar 2001 02:53:29 +0000
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              Russel Brooks <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM>
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              ignored.
From:         Russel Brooks <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM>
Subject:      Re: Password for a directory?
Comments: To: Bob Graham <bgraham@HAWAII.RR.COM>
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Put the directory, and the sub-directories, and the files, on an
encrypted logical drive created by SECDEV14.ZIP (on SUPER).

...and please don't send HTML to the list.

Cheers... Russ

Bob Graham wrote:
> <html><head></head><body>Is there a way to assign ALL files in a directory the same password without doing it individually to each file?<br>
> <br>
> I have a directory with&nbsp; about 10 sub-directories, and each contains 10 to 20 files.&nbsp; Some are text files, other GDB files.<br>
> <br>
> Aloha - bob &nbsp; &nbsp; \ooo_<br>
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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:39:33 -0500
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              Domingo <dvm123@GMX.CO.UK>
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From:         Domingo <dvm123@GMX.CO.UK>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick West" <francis_patrick_west@YAHOO.COM>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: Group Project: Palm Emulator


> There is no such item at this time. I was just adding my
wishlist.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Josi Angel de Castro Barco
Ýmailto:ja.castro@teleline.es¨
> > Coul'd you send me more information about.
> _____________________________________________________
> > I'd be happy with a tool that lets me IR beam stuff to the
PalmOS
> > platform.
> > Patrick

There are several options from Palm to HPLX.  Look in
Palmgear.com.   From HPLX to Palm is a little more
complicated.  There are a few ways, but none really usable at
this time (the authors of ONLINE promised improvements in
their program which would allow for this eventually, but so
far, no show).

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Date:         Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:41:40 -0700
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              "Robert K. Meyer" <bmeyer@UNION-TEL.COM>
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From:         "Robert K. Meyer" <bmeyer@UNION-TEL.COM>
Subject:      Re: New hinge crack
Comments: To: "Striegel, Alan" <Striegel@PIOS.COM>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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I had something akin to your crack apparantly from WD40. There was too
much gone to successfully glue the thing back together. The spring came
out and the end support for the spring disintegrated.

At first the screen would open and stay in position just fine. Don't
know where the friction came from. After two weeks, the screen has to be
propped up, either with its leather case, or resting against my backup
LX knows as an OB800CT. One of these days it will have to be repaired.

Bob

"Striegel, Alan" wrote:
>
> In most every description and picture I have seen before, the hinge crack
> problem has shown up on the surface of the lid, but last Friday my 200LX
> started to feel wobbly and I found the problem under the right hinge cap.
> For a picture of this crack, look here:
> http://www.striegels.com/alan/HPLX/HP%20200LX%20hinge%20crack.jpg.  The
> crack extends all the way across the plastic above the hinge area and almost
> the entire way through (as you can see in the picture).
>
> As soon as I could, I worked some superglue into the crack with a needle,
> closed the lid, and put a little weight on it overnight.  It has been
> holding together well since then but I am watching it carefully.  In this
> form of crack, opening the lid expands the crack.
>
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Date:         Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:22:50 -0500
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              Martin Bergvill <martin@MOBILPOST.COM>
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Subject:      Ndb2rex is corrupt
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Hi

I have downloaded the zipfile but it says that it is not a valid
zipfile.

Daniel could you upload it againg..something is wrong. I have tried to
download it several times on my desktop computer and directly on the
Hplx..

Regards

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Date:         Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:59:54 -0600
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Marta Pierce wrote:
> Just an idea, would it be possible to use
> the screen something like VR does? then
> maybe the whole page would be shown.
> I dunno, it is just by looking at the diagram
> below made me think of VR.

That wouldn't help much.  The Palm screen is square.  The
640x200 pixels on the LX are slightly taller than they are wide
so that would give a slight increase in width but not enough to
help much.  It would also add some overhead making the thing run
a little bit slower.

If 320x200 graphics mode was used that would make the Palm
screen appear quite a bit taller but barely wider.  That would
add a lot more distortion and could make it harder to read.

However, it might be possible by cutting the right pixels and
welding other pixels together to make the 200lx into a 640x160
screen with slightly bigger pixels.  It's still going to be
smaller than the Palm screen but maybe just barely possible to
read.  So it's a step in the right direction.  Will someone try
that on their lx and see how it works out?  (Hey, this is a
joke.  Don't really try it, Nathalie)

Barry


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Laust Brock-Nannestad wrote:
> Surely, if the API was implemented accurately,
> then little or no changes would be necessary
> to port the applications?
> The question is, would Palm developers port
> their applications to this "new" platform?
> commercial developers probably wouldn't, but
> third party might.

That still leaves the problem of the screen size and the touch
screen.

Also porting wouldn't be straightforward in a lot of cases.
Some things go right to the hardware bypassing the API and they
won't work.  Some things are optimized in assembly and they
won't port.  And it's the smaller developers who are most likely
to do these things.

A lot of small programs are written in languages such as
OnBoardC and CBasPad and Quartus Forth.  These are on-board
languages and they would have to be ported.  I know quartus is
written entirely in asm.  I suspect OnBoardC and CBasPad are at
least partially in asm.

And nearly all the on board languages use the MathLib library
for floating point and it's a good bet that it's in asm.

Things written in asm won't port.  That's the great limitiation
in using asm.  It has to be re-written for each cpu.

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Stefan Peichl wrote:
> A question to Palm owners: Is it possible to take
> screen shots on a Palm and convert them to BMP,
> PCX or GIF (no JPG)?

Go to http://www.palmgear.com/ and browse.  They have a million
programs available and nearly all have screen shots.  A lot are
animated gifs that flash between several of the program's
screens so you can pick the screen you want.

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Stefan Peichl wrote:
> Common sense today seems to be: If it cannot
> be done in C, it cannot be done at all. I still think,
> this statement is not true, at least not for slow
> processors like our 80186.

This is true because companies have C programmers on staff and
know where they can get more.  And they know how to determine if
a C programmer is any good before they hire him/her.

The only other languages this can be said of are Visual Basic
and SQL, which are also heavily used.

Maybe we're taking the wrong approach to a Palm emulator.  Maybe
we should instead emulate a typical 700 mhz Pentium 3 system
with a 20 gig hard drive and 256 meg and Windows 95 and SVGA on
the 200lx and then run the existing Palm emulator in that.

Why not a Mac G4 emulator on the 200lx while we're at it?

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Date:         Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:37:42 +0200
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Hi Curtis,

On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:15:06 MST, curtis j brown <mrbrown8@JUNO.COM> wrote:

> I have created a small little command-line utililty to control X-10's
> Firecraker that I would like to offer to the palmtop community.
>
> This is the first time I have made something public like this. Please
> don't flame me too much. ;) I'm hoping someone might find it useful.

You don't have to expect flames if you publish something. The opposite
is the case. I think everyone on this list appreciates if you publish
something. Of course especially those people for whom this is useful.

BTW: What is a X-10 Firecraker? ;-)

GTX
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Date:         Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:37:18 -0700
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Come on Barry. Nobody is forcing you to join this project. I think Stefan
has an interesting idea. Maybe it will not be practical, but it is worth a
try. Perhaps we can make an emulator that will work with some programs,
since many really do not do all that much computation, but mainly wait for
user input. As somebody said, you can do nothing just as fast on an XT as
you can on a Pentium :).

Bob Feldman

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 9:29 AM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: Re: PalmLX


...<snip>...

Maybe we're taking the wrong approach to a Palm emulator.  Maybe
we should instead emulate a typical 700 mhz Pentium 3 system
with a 20 gig hard drive and 256 meg and Windows 95 and SVGA on
the 200lx and then run the existing Palm emulator in that.

Why not a Mac G4 emulator on the 200lx while we're at it?

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Date:         Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:19:27 -0600
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> As somebody said, you can do nothing just as fast on an XT as
> you can on a Pentium :).

I was just thinking this the other day.  I am daily amazed at how much
work I get done on my palmtop.  Much of it is just editing, compiling.
I only go to my desktop/laptop when I need to do something which
requires an exceptional amount of processing power and/or disk space.
And this is infrequent.

-Chris

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Date:         Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:36:10 MST
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:37:42 +0200 Daniel Hertrich <d.hertrich@gmx.de>
writes:
> Hi Curtis,
>
  Ýsnip¨
>
> BTW: What is a X-10 Firecraker? ;-)
>

My apologizes. I have to keep reminding myself that I'm talking to an
_international_ audience here.

X10 (www.x10.com) is a company that develops products for home
automation, remotely controlling your lamps, switches, coffee pots, etc.
The Firecracker is a controller that you plug into the serial port of
your computer. Because of its small size, I thought it would complement
our small palmtops.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Mar 2001 11:14:54 +0100
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The dreaded crack again, now even in a new spot !

On my machine, it does not show yet, but the lid is rather
stiff and I fear the worst. Could somebody tell us, please,
what is a safe lubricant ? With some lubricants, it seems that
the plastic is being eaten, as far as I remember from previosu
posts.

Please help. Thanks

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Date:         Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:22:29 -0600
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I can't believe you thought I was serious. :)

No I don't believe this is a reasonable project.  It won't
produce a program anyone will want to use.  That's my opinion.
But it has people talking about a project and I think that's a
good thing.  Some good idea might come out of this.

Barry

----- Original Message -----
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To: "'HPLX Mailing List'" <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>; "'Barry'"
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Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: PalmLX


> Come on Barry. Nobody is forcing you to join this project. I
think Stefan
> has an interesting idea. Maybe it will not be practical, but
it is worth a
> try. Perhaps we can make an emulator that will work with some
programs,
> since many really do not do all that much computation, but
mainly wait for
> user input. As somebody said, you can do nothing just as fast
on an XT as
> you can on a Pentium :).
>
> Bob Feldman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Ýmailto:barry@FBTC.NET¨
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 9:29 AM
> To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
> Subject: Re: PalmLX
>
>
> ...<snip>...
>
> Maybe we're taking the wrong approach to a Palm emulator.
Maybe
> we should instead emulate a typical 700 mhz Pentium 3 system
> with a 20 gig hard drive and 256 meg and Windows 95 and SVGA
on
> the 200lx and then run the existing Palm emulator in that.
>
> Why not a Mac G4 emulator on the 200lx while we're at it?
>
> Barry
>
>
>

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Date:         Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:11:40 -0700
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I would like to hear further comments and opinions, but this is what was
mentioned on the list when my hinge disintegrated:

  1) Ivory Liquid Detergent (Soap?)
  2) Mineral Oil
  3) Silicone

I'm leaning toward Ivory dishwashing detergent on my next good hinge.

Bob

Winfried Zettelmeyer wrote:
>
> The dreaded crack again, now even in a new spot !
>
> On my machine, it does not show yet, but the lid is rather
> stiff and I fear the worst. Could somebody tell us, please,
> what is a safe lubricant ? With some lubricants, it seems that
> the plastic is being eaten, as far as I remember from previosu
> posts.
>
> Please help. Thanks
>
> Winfried
>
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Date:         Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:15:25 -0500
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I lurk here. I never posted before. But Ken London got me out
of my shell:

> Actually the hp200lx is mising something else the palm has....
> an OS that sucks big time.

For an uninformed guy you have lots of strong opinions.

> I for one have no desire to run any palm applications.
> If I did I would have bought a Palm, I don't so I didn't.

Thank god, the world does not revolve around you, your
desires, and your wisdom.

IMHO, the idea is fantastic. Peichl is a mental giant by
comparison to you.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:22:22 +0000
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Subject:      Re: New hinge crack
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Striegel, Alan wrote:
> For a picture of this crack, look here:
> http://www.striegels.com/alan/HPLX/HP%20200LX%20hinge%20crack.jpg.  The
> crack extends all the way across the plastic above the hinge area and almost
> the entire way through (as you can see in the picture).

Good picture, thanks.  Now I have something else to worry about.

Cheers... Russ

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Date:         Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:27:41 -0500
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I, for one, downloaded this software and I'm anxious to try it.




Thanks,

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I, for one, downloaded this software and I'm anxious to try it.




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Date:         Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:54:43 -0500
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              Ken Hansen <n2vip@BELLATLANTIC.NET>
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First, sorry - my email provider is digging out of a major problem...

But, Palm has a copy of their ROM images (with debugging bits added in) for
download by anyone... They are slower than normal ROM images, but are freely
available.

At least, this was the case the last time I looked into this...

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Peichl" <Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: PalmLX


Ken Hansen wrote:

> Couldn't you do this running the POSE Palm emulator on your
> Windows/Mac/Other PC?

Well, I own no Palm (and no ROM image). I don't have Visual C++
V6.0. All I have is the POSE ZIP file (which is 2MB!). It
unpacks in several directories and hundreds if not thousands of
files. THAT IS THE WAY OF PROGRAMMING I LIKE. I don't know
which univerity started to teach this silly idea of putting
every line of C code in a separate file and then use huge make
files to collect them together again. It's like tearing a book
to pieces and then try to read it from the beginning. That
drives me crazy.

I also think, that Visual C++ is overkill for a computer like
the Palm. If applications for the Palm are also written in
Visual C++ then the code is running cirles around every useful
final opcode, and indeed an emulator will only walk circles.

Probably excessive debug information will still be included
in some of the programs of these 100.000 developers worldwide,
which Palm likes to cite. Again a brake for the emulator.

I sometimes regret that Programmers are not like lawyers or
doctors, who don't allow everybody else do their job.

Barry explained some days ago how the short history of
programmimg went. I have nothing to add to what he said.

Common sense today seems to be: If it cannot be done in C,
it cannot be done at all. I still think, this statement is
not true, at least not for slow processors like our 80186.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:05:55 -0800
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Subject:      Re: new REX idea (Post/LX export)
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Hi Daniel,

I am posting this to you and to the list. I do not receive any
messages from the list, but this showed up in my email as well
forwarded by my friendly "news clipping service"! Thank you,
Clipper! :)

> Hi friends,
> hi Avi (copy goes to info@dasoft.com)
>
> You see, I'm really enthusiastic at the moment about the REX
> synchronization project (have you seen my rexsync page?? 8-) ).

No.

> Now I have had another idea how to use the REX: Why not read all the
> HPLX-L mail on the REX while sitting in the train or so?

Consider reading the messages on your palmtop - you can even
reply to them! Most Rex cards have no facility to type
anything, except their latest, and it is extremely limited
even in this case.

> My question: Is there already a tool which converts Post/LX .I files
> (inbox) to pure ASCII, even stripping unimportant header lines?

The .i file is essentially ASCII, with the addition of the
seperator between messages. There is nothing else in it except
what was sent down. Even attachments. We certainly have no
tools in place to strip.

And I am not sure how one would decide what is "important" and
what is "unimportant" header information. I would resist being
in the position to develop something that makes that decision.
No matter what you, someone will gripe about it and publicly
flame you for it.

> If not, is there at least a detailled desciption of the .I file format?
> (I see there are just the pure messages one after the other, separated
> by some non-ASCII characters and the string "cso". Is this correct?)

There is no detailed description of the .i file beyond the
following:

----------

The .i file contains messages. Each message is preceded by a
record with characters which describe the message status and
otherwise contains x'FE' characters.

Everything else is the message from the server (or to the
server in the case of .o files).

ÝThere is a more detailed description of what shows up in the
record preceding each message, but you will be stripping it
anyway, since it is of use only for post.exe, so I won't
bother with it.¨

----------

I am not sure what you mean by "cso" string.

Anyone wishing to create such a program, go fo it. There is
nothing added to the body of the messages as they come from
the POP3/IMAP server. Enjoy!

Hope this helps.

  Avi Meshar
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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:07:16 -0500
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From:         "Joe H. Smith" <hplxmail@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: New hinge crack
Comments: To: Winfried Zettelmeyer <wzettelmeyer@RETEMAIL.ES>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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> The dreaded crack again, now even in a new spot !
>
> On my machine, it does not show yet, but the lid is rather
> stiff and I fear the worst. Could somebody tell us, please,
> what is a safe lubricant ? With some lubricants, it seems that
> the plastic is being eaten, as far as I remember from previosu
> posts.

Lubricants will mostly destroy the plastic as well. From the
old posts here I learned that less than one drop of of simple
oil will be what you need. There are also some specialised
lubricants, but they are hard to find and expensive. I used
once just a simple oil which was of human consumption grade. I
dipped a match in it and then touched the tiny drop to the
groove around the metal part under the right side cap (as
viewed when reading the screen.) One application was enough.
Work the screen carefully open and close by holding it right
above the right hinge, to relieve any stress on the plastic.



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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:07:17 -0500
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Subject:      Re: One moment of fame... :o(
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> It seems my thunder was stolen by a 107 year old lady... :o(
> I just heard from the journalist, and if nothing else more newsworthy happens, it will be rescheduled for Tuesday 13th. Same time. The end of the
> news at 21:00 local time (20:00 UTC).
>
> Owen
> --
> Still on a sailboat in Norway and feeling a bit short-changed...

Fame is a fleeting thing ... Some time ago, a house was
dedicated as an historic monument to the New York artist Andy
Warhol who coined the phrase "in the future, everyone will get
15 minutes of fame." The ceremony in front of the house where
he lived took precisely 15 minutes, then everyone went home.
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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:45:09 +1300
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              Roger Whitmarsh <lodger@NZ1.IBM.COM>
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Striegel, Alan wrote:
> For a picture of this crack, look here:
> http://www.striegels.com/alan/HPLX/HP%20200LX%20hinge%20crack.jpg.  The
> crack extends all the way across the plastic above the hinge area and
almost
> the entire way through (as you can see in the picture).

I found that my 'new' Dutch Railway LX had not only the first
vague beginnings of the hinge crack on top, but a much worse
crack under the right cap, exactly as described by alan.
This was due to an incredibly tight hinge. My other LX has
perfect hinge tension and displays no sign of the crack
despite five years of heavy use, but I couldn't believe how
tight the new machine was. I guess HP were trying to get it
right and buyers were the guinea pigs.

Anyway, I tried various lubricants without any lasting success,
and then when it was discovered that WD40 destroyed the plastic,
I decided it was time to do the job properly.

I pulled the LX apart, cut exactly 1.25 coils off the hinge
tension spring (as suggested a while ago by someone whose name
I have unfortunately forgotten), and reassembled.
It wasn't as difficult as I had thought, and it fixes the
problem for ever. I used David Sargeant's authoritative
treatise on the LX as a guide. See:

http://www.hplx.net/hardware.apa.big.html

Kia Kaha (be brave)
Cheers, Roger

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:03:57 +0100
Reply-To:     Helge Holm <helge.holm@sensewave.com>
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From:         Helge Holm <helgeholm@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Post/lx on Desktop?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "F. Kaufman" <fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 2:32 AM
Subject: Post/lx on Desktop?


>
> I use Post/lx on my win98 desktop solely as my email program.  You can't
> get any automatic viruses!!!
>
Hi,
I have tried to set up Post/lx2.2f  like this with no success. (I know
nothing whatsoever re. ethernet etc. so the manual was not any help to me).
Could anyone supply me with a .cfg file that runs Post/lx on a desktop via
LAN?

Regards Helge

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:12:33 +0100
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              Tomas Moberg <Tomas.Moberg@ABC.SE>
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Subject:      Keys on HP vs IBM PC
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I have a bunch of games that I am trying out and some of them requires
that a apecial key is pressed such as "Scroll lock".
And the shift keys are "sticky" wich is bad in some cases.

On a hp200lx, how do I press:
* Scroll lock
* Num lock
* The ordinary number keys (as i understand it the hp only have a key
pad)
* A non sticky shift key

Thanks

      /tomas moberg
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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:12:35 +0100
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              Tomas Moberg <Tomas.Moberg@ABC.SE>
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Subject:      Mo'slo and CPU slowdown progs
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Does anyone use something else than mo'slo to slow down the CPU when
playing old games?
I find that Mo'slo sometimes only slows down the intro and when the
game starts its still too fast. (Like battle zone. Wich is only one exe
file)


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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:45:47 +0800
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              Jorgen Wallgren <wallgren@SINGNET.COM.SG>
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From:         Jorgen Wallgren <wallgren@SINGNET.COM.SG>
Subject:      Re: New hinge crack
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Hi All,

I actually fixed my cracked hinge by using a small soldiering iron and a
basically melted the crack together using a piece of plastic from an old
battery cover. Very strong and much better than any glue I have tried-
looks great also since I hardly can see it! :-)

Jorgen

> In most every description and picture I have seen before, the hinge =
crack
> problem has shown up on the surface of the lid, but last Friday my =
200LX
> started to feel wobbly and I found the problem under the right hinge =
cap.
> For a picture of this crack, look here:
> http://www.striegels.com/alan/HPLX/HP%20200LX%20hinge%20crack.jpg.  The
> crack extends all the way across the plastic above the hinge area and =
almost
> the entire way through (as you can see in the picture).
>
> As soon as I could, I worked some superglue into the crack with a =
needle,
> closed the lid, and put a little weight on it overnight.  It has been
> holding together well since then but I am watching it carefully.  In =
this
> form of crack, opening the lid expands the crack.
>

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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:08:22 +1100
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              Tim Pitman <tpitman@SOUTHCOM.COM.AU>
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Subject:      Wanted: 100/200lx motherboard
MIME-Version: 1.0
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              boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C0ACE4.0C9339B0"

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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        charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Since my 100lx is now dead, I'm searching for a 100lx or 200lx =
'motherboard' to bring it back to life, as the screen, case and keyboard =
are more or less fine.  Does any one on this list have one that they'd =
like to sell?

Thanks,

Tim Pitman

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2920.0" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
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searching for a=20
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case and=20
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that=20
they'd like to sell?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:33:33 -0500
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Sender:       HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>
From:         "Joe H. Smith" <hplxmail@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Post/lx on Desktop?
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

> I have tried to set up Post/lx2.2f  like this with no success. (I know
> nothing whatsoever re. ethernet etc. so the manual was not any help to me).
> Could anyone supply me with a .cfg file that runs Post/lx on a desktop via
> LAN?

Forget LAN. There is nothing in the POST.CFG that will help
you set up the Post/LX on a desktop versus Palmtop. On my
desktop I use the same POST.CFG as on the Palmtop, excrpt in
the Port= I put 3 (SETUP.EXE knows only Port 1 and Port 2).
Your desktop may have the modem on other ports (1-4).

Then you need to emulate the Palmtop environment (monitor) by
using Palrun or cg.com or best, Palmpc. I use palmpc.exe. Then
I use the exact same batch file to run

www -d "!post"

then in Post/LX I use Shift-F5 and select the Port=3 - this is
a set up that overrides what is in the already-in-memory
www.cfg specification.

That's it.

LAN will give you ever faster d/l times, but what's the big
difference between 1 second and 3 seconds? :-)

Joe


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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:06:39 -0500
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              Domingo <dvm123@GMX.CO.UK>
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From:         Domingo <dvm123@GMX.CO.UK>
Subject:      Babelfish now has Japanese!  (aka Translating japanese hplx
              programs documentation to english)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

A while ago there was a thread about Babelfish, and how it
would be neat if it would include Japanese, so we could
translate hplx japanese programs' documentation.   Now
Babelfish has it (sorry if this is not news to you, it is to
me).  But I tried XFinder's Japanese documentation, and not a
single word was translated.  Must be some coding problem.
Anyone knows what to do?

The URL:  http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn

TIA

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:09:32 +0200
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              Daniel Hertrich <d.hertrich@GMX.DE>
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From:         Daniel Hertrich <d.hertrich@GMX.DE>
Subject:      ANN: POST2REX v1.1 and NDB2REX v1.2
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi friends,

here comes the filter boy again! ;-)
I'm really enthusiastic at the moment about the REX synchronization
project, so I wrote one more nice filter which allows you to read your
Post/LX email on the REX!

I also fixed a bug in NDB2REX (note taker 2 REX export).

Please visit
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/rexsync

and download the new software packages.
The latest versions are

NDB2REX: v1.2
POST2REX: v1.1

Here is what POST2REX does:

README

/* POST2REX prepares a Post/LX inbox message file (*.I)
 * that it can be transferred to the REX3 as a set of memos with
 * Chris Lott's REX sync utilities
 *
 * (c) 2001 by Daniel Hertrich
 *
 * needed: Post/LX (D&A Software, www.dasoft.com), or at least
 *           a Post/LX folder file containing some emails ;-)
 *         Chris Lott's REX synchronization utilities
 *
 * usage:  call POST2REX.EXE with the Post/LX inbox file of your choice
 *         and the name of the file in which the list of created note files
 *         shall be stored,
 *         Additionally, 2 switches have to be set.
 *           First switch:  "/q" or "/nq" ("quotes" or "no quotes")
 *           Second switch: "/a" or "/n"  ("all" or only "new" messages )
 *         for example
 *           NDB2REX C:\_DAT\WWWLX\HPLX-L.I REX.MDF /nq /n
 *         this will create one file per new email (noteÝx¨.rxn) and
 *         the file REX.MDF with a list of all NOTEÝx¨.rxn files
 *         which can be further processed with Chris' utilities.
 *         It will not export quoted lines, i.e. lines with a leading ">".
 *
 * post2rex strips all headers don't contain "From:" and "Subject:",
 *         and it puts the "Subject:" header into the first line
 *         of each output file, so that it appears as the title of the
 *         note in the REX. The word "Subject:" itself is deleted.
 *
 *         messages marked as deleted will not be processed at all.
 *
 *         messages with the header-only flag set will be processed,
 *            and the line "(HEADER ONLY!)" will be inserted into the
 *            output file
 *
 *         messages with attachment will be processed
 *            and the line "(ATTACHMENT!)" will be inserted into the
 *            output file
 *
 *         messages not marked as new will only be processed if the
 *            parameter /a is set
 *
 *         quotes are filitered out (identified by a leading ">"), if
 *            parameter /nq is set (each quoted line is replaced by a ".")
 */


I hope you enjoy it!

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:17:20 +0100
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              Laust Brock-Nannestad <laustbn@DIKU.DK>
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From:         Laust Brock-Nannestad <laustbn@DIKU.DK>
Subject:      Re: Babelfish now has Japanese!  (aka Translating japanese hplx
              programs documentation to english)
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Domingo wrote:

> A while ago there was a thread about Babelfish, and how it
> would be neat if it would include Japanese, so we could
> translate hplx japanese programs' documentation.   Now
> Babelfish has it (sorry if this is not news to you, it is to
> me).  But I tried XFinder's Japanese documentation, and not a
> single word was translated.  Must be some coding problem.
> Anyone knows what to do?

I've had good experiences translating Japanese text with Elingo,
www.elingo.com. It can also translate web-pages while you browse, very
useful :-)


Cheers,

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:26:34 +0200
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              Daniel Hertrich <d.hertrich@GMX.DE>
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Comments:     RFC822 error: <W> Incorrect or incomplete address field found and
              ignored.
From:         Daniel Hertrich <d.hertrich@GMX.DE>
Subject:      Re: new REX idea (Post/LX export)
Comments: To: D&A Software Support <info@dasoft.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hello Avi

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:05:55 -0800, "D&A Software Support" <info@dasoft.com> wrote:

> Consider reading the messages on your palmtop - you can even
> reply to them! Most Rex cards have no facility to type
> anything, except their latest, and it is extremely limited
> even in this case.

This filter shall enable you to READ email on the REX, not to write
email. Useful for example if you receive mailing lists or newsgroups
and have  the desire to read them on the REX (for whatever reason).

> The .i file is essentially ASCII, with the addition of the
> seperator between messages. There is nothing else in it except
> what was sent down. Even attachments. We certainly have no
> tools in place to strip.
>
> And I am not sure how one would decide what is "important" and
> what is "unimportant" header information. I would resist being
> in the position to develop something that makes that decision.
> No matter what you, someone will gripe about it and publicly
> flame you for it.

I'll take this risk. But I really don't think that someone flames me
because I chose that the headers "From:" and "Subject:" are the most
important. ;-) And if someone does, I'll let you know.

BTW: You (or D&A Software) also made such a decision when you
prearranged the POST.CFG file.
You gave the user the option to change the header settings by
modifying the cfg. I give this option by releasing the source code.
So I see no reason why someone should flame me for this decision, if
nobody flamed you about this.

> ÝThere is a more detailed description of what shows up in the
> record preceding each message, but you will be stripping it
> anyway, since it is of use only for post.exe, so I won't
> bother with it.¨

Thank you! Did you forward my question to Andreas? He helped me
already.

> I am not sure what you mean by "cso" string.

Oh, sorry. This was only the name of the inbox, which is likely to be
different in your setup.

> Anyone wishing to create such a program, go fo it. There is
> nothing added to the body of the messages as they come from
> the POP3/IMAP server. Enjoy!

Thank you! The program is fished already. Have a look at it. Maybe it
is useful for other tasks which need stripping the emails from an .i
file. Please feel free to embed a link to it in the D&A web page, if
you think it can be useful.

http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/rexsync/post2rex.zip

GTX
daniel


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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:41:10 -0800
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              Longden_Loo@CANDLE.COM
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Subject:      Re: Babelfish now has Japanese!
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

> I've had good experiences translating Japanese text with Elingo,
> www.elingo.com. It can also translate web-pages while you browse, very
> useful :-)

I just visited that site, and it looks like the unfortunate victim of the
"changing business model" (meaning no more freebies):

     To our Customers and Friends,

     Elingo is under going business changes that might affect service to
     our customers.

     Although the services are still available to registered customers we
     regret that we are not in a position to offer our services to new
     customers or users.

- Longden

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:39:55 -0500
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              Domingo <dvm123@GMX.CO.UK>
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              programs documentation to english)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Laust Brock-Nannestad" <laustbn@DIKU.DK>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Babelfish now has Japanese! (aka Translating
japanese hplx programs documentation to english)


> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Domingo wrote:
>
> > A while ago there was a thread about Babelfish, and how it
> > would be neat if it would include Japanese, so we could
> > translate hplx japanese programs' documentation.   Now
> > Babelfish has it (sorry if this is not news to you, it is
to
> > me).  But I tried XFinder's Japanese documentation, and
not a
> > single word was translated.  Must be some coding problem.
> > Anyone knows what to do?
>
> I've had good experiences translating Japanese text with
Elingo,
> www.elingo.com. It can also translate web-pages while you
browse, very
> useful :-)

As Londgen pointed out, that link is no longer good.  BTW,
babelfish can also translate while you browse, and it is still
free, though from past experience, you get what you pay for.
:o)

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:42:31 -0500
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> As Londgen pointed out

Oops, I meant Longden, sorry!

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:10:08 +0100
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Hi

Barry wrote (>):

> No I don't believe this is a reasonable project.=20
> It won't produce a program anyone will want to
> use.  That's my opinion.

I have to agree with Barry. First of all, I honestly believe there is no =
way it could be made fast enough to be useful for anything else than the =
"gee wiz" factor. Even if it was possible, the differences in screen =
dimensions and lack of touch sensitive screen would make it a rather =
painful interface to use.

An LX can never hope to run native PalmOS applications better than a =
PalmPilot. Even without the speed problem, it couldn't even run them as =
well as a PalmPilot, so what's the point? You can pick up a second hand =
early PalmPilot for the price of a couple of tanks of gazoline. If you want =
to run Palm applications, then buy a PalmPilot! From what I have read on =
this list, many people do not want a PalmPilot because they think it's an =
inferior computer with an inferior OS. A Palm emulator on a LX would be a =
shitty Palm indeed.

I think it would be far more useful and far easier to write software to =
read some of the more important PalmPilot database formats on the LX. With =
a well written application, the LX could display a Palm database _BETTER_ =
than a PalmPilot, something an emulator could never hope to do. Before =
anyone puts a lot of effort into this, how about checking what would be =
involved in converting those databases to something the LX can read without =
writing new software. I don't know the PalmOS, but at least in EPOC, it is =
very simple to export a database to something that can be imported by just =
about any database or spreadsheet on the planet.

> But it has people talking about a project and I
> think that's a good thing. Some good idea
> might come out of this.

See above? :o)

Owen
--
On a sailboat. In Norway
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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:18:22 -0800
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Owen H. Morgan sayeth:
> Hi
>
> Barry wrote (>):
>
> > No I don't believe this is a reasonable project.
> > It won't produce a program anyone will want to
> > use.  That's my opinion.
>
> I have to agree with Barry. First of all, I honestly believe there
> is no way it could be made fast enough to be useful for anything else
> than the "gee wiz" factor. Even if it was possible, the differences in
> screen dimensions and lack of touch sensitive screen would make it a
> rather painful interface to use.
>
Have I already mentioned that I agree as well?

"Speed kills" -- Forest Baskett

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:48:25 +0100
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              Laust Brock-Nannestad <laustbn@DIKU.DK>
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              programs documentation to english)
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Domingo wrote:

> As Londgen pointed out, that link is no longer good.  BTW,
> babelfish can also translate while you browse, and it is still
> free, though from past experience, you get what you pay for.
> :o)

True, but if you or Longden had actually bothered to go beyond the front
page, you would actually find that the services are still in service (so
to speak). FWIW, I think that Babelfish is actually built on licensed code
from Elingo...


Cheers,

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:44:40 -0700
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              "Feldman, Robert" <Robert_Feldman@JDEDWARDS.COM>
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1. Yes, used Palms are not that expensive, but why carry two devices?

2. I agree that a DOS-based Palm DB reader would be a useful application
too, but I'm not ready to abandon the idea of an emulator.

Bob Feldman

-----Original Message-----
From: Owen H. Morgan Ýmailto:ohmorgan@iname.com¨
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 1:10 PM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: Re: PalmLX

... You can pick up a second hand early PalmPilot for the price of a couple
of tanks of gazoline. If you want to run Palm applications, then buy a
PalmPilot! ...

I think it would be far more useful and far easier to write software to read
some of the more important PalmPilot database formats on the LX. ...

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:18:29 -0600
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              Hal Goldstein <hal_goldstein@THADDEUS.COM>
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Roger Whitmarsh:

<<I found that my 'new' Dutch Railway LX had not only the first
vague beginnings of the hinge crack on top, but a much worse
crack under the right cap, exactly as described by alan.>>

Roger, most likely the palmtop is still under 90-day warranty, yes? You
"fixed" the problem it seems. However, we will, of course, honor warranty
claims. Also, remember, when people order a used palmtop or send in their
palmtop for repair or upgrade, that for $25 they can extend warranty for a
year, and $75, 2 years. (Unfortunately, we can't honor warranty extension
after we've shipped used, repaired, or upgraded palmtop since we don't know
condition.)

Note that we are anxiously waiting new top cases. We don't expect them until
May.

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:17:15 -0800
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              Longden_Loo@CANDLE.COM
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> > As Londgen pointed out, that link is no longer good.  BTW,
> > babelfish can also translate while you browse, and it is still
> > free, though from past experience, you get what you pay for.
> > :o)
>
> True, but if you or Longden had actually bothered to go beyond the fr=
ont
> page, you would actually find that the services are still in service =
(so
> to speak). FWIW, I think that Babelfish is actually built on licensed=

code
> from Elingo...

Guilty as charged of believing the signs <g>.

I wonder how long the doors stay open (www.elingo.com).

Fascinating translations, like this web translation of "The Life of you=
ng
Sumo wrestlers in Wakamatsu Beya Group"

The third Pattaya day. ÝIt¨ goes to ride on the elephant in daytime bec=
ause
it is a free plan. Mr. is one person indeed already <(*pmpi*) (fat pers=
on)>
though usually gotten on by two people. Be ragged The field is done onc=
e
spending about 15 minutes. Because the bathe starts in 1m pool ball whi=
ch
the height of about 2m, shakes considerably, and is in the vicinity the=

seat It is considerably scary until becoming accustomed. Excrement was
piled up to '=B6'=E3'=A4 around there and all <'=A0'=E9'=AA> Mr. who he=
ld <'=C8'=E0'=CC>
enjoyed smelling considerably.

- Longden=

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:04:47 -0500
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              Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM>
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Subject:      Re: Post/lx on Desktop?
Comments: To: hplxmail@YAHOO.COM

I would love to find a solution for this as well. It would work if there
were a program to allow emulation of a packet driver in a dos window but
uses the windows IP stack. I don't have a modem at work but I do have a nice
fast ethernet connection. I also have a flash card reader on my desktop. I
could do all my d/l u/l on the desktop and read the stuff later offline.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe H. Smith" <hplxmail@YAHOO.COM>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: Post/lx on Desktop?


> > I have tried to set up Post/lx2.2f  like this with no success. (I know
> > nothing whatsoever re. ethernet etc. so the manual was not any help to
me).
> > Could anyone supply me with a .cfg file that runs Post/lx on a desktop
via
> > LAN?
>
> Forget LAN. There is nothing in the POST.CFG that will help
> you set up the Post/LX on a desktop versus Palmtop. On my

snipt

> That's it.
>
> LAN will give you ever faster d/l times, but what's the big
> difference between 1 second and 3 seconds? :-)
>
> Joe
>

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:24:56 +0000
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              Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE
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After some heavy programming I'm glad to announce PalmLX V1.0,
the first Palm simulator for the HP200LX. Download from

http://peichl.hplx.net/palmlx.zip

Current limitations are:

-no ROM image support (and therefore no PalmOS ROM needed)

-no serial and IR support

-only up to 100 PRCs can be run on one virtual Palm. I can
 improve on that, but thought it's enough to start with.

-only small PRCs making no use of the ROM functions seem to
 run at that time. I found many programs just producing
 garbage, however I found no single one which crashed PalmLX.
 If this is not a good sign?

I added a set of running applications to the zip file. They
are all freeware. Indeed you may replace them by your choice.
But please don't ask me, why your preffered PRC is not running.

The speed of PalmLX is surprisingly fast and the screen is much
better than expected. It is a completely new look and feel of
the HP200LX not experienced until now.

Put the whole zip file in a new directory and start PalmLX.
By default it starts with one virtual Palm, but you may press
the keys 2 and 3 to run the corresponding number of Palms.

If more than one Palm is used, the Cursor right/left keys
selects the active Palm, displayed with black buttons.

Within one Palm, the Cursor up/down keys select a program.
All programs are available on every virtual Palm, and every
Palm has it's own working area.

It behaves just like Software Caroussel except that no screens
are switched and the information of the non active Palms
remains visible.

Enjoy it and have fun to surprise Palm owners with this
3-Palms-in-1-HP200LX.

Many thanks to Jorgen, who encouraged me not to give up and
who was the only one who supported me by sending me a little
Palm program to start with :-)

Stefan

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:41:39 -0500
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              Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM>
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Excuse me while I pick my jaw up off the floor....

Wow!


You are serious, right?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Peichl" <Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 5:24 PM
Subject: ANN: PalmLX V1.0


After some heavy programming I'm glad to announce PalmLX V1.0,
the first Palm simulator for the HP200LX. Download from


snip

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:03:29 -0500
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              Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM>
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Subject:      Re: ANN: PalmLX V1.0

Hmmm... nothing happens when I tap the screen... :-P

I should have known...  :¬/ It's a nice proof of concept that the display
will work, tho.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Padin" <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: ANN: PalmLX V1.0


> Excuse me while I pick my jaw up off the floor....
>
> Wow!
>
>
> You are serious, right?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stefan Peichl" <Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE>
> To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 5:24 PM
> Subject: ANN: PalmLX V1.0
>
>
> After some heavy programming I'm glad to announce PalmLX V1.0,
> the first Palm simulator for the HP200LX. Download from

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:22:27 +0100
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              Jacques Belin <jbelin@ALTERN.ORG>
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Le Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:03:29 -0500
Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM> a =E9crit:

> Hmmm... nothing happens when I tap the screen... :-P

Try with an hammer !

<g,d&r very fast !>

Jacques.

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:01:03 -0800
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              Qman <qman@EARTHLINK.NET>
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Subject:      Re: Wanted: 100/200lx motherboard
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Yeap, look/ask no further. I have a two meg. 100LX motherboard.  Drop me an
email at:
qman@earthlink.net


Later,
Qman..
  -----Original Message-----
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  Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 5:08 AM
  To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu
  Subject: Wanted: 100/200lx motherboard


  Since my 100lx is now dead, I'm searching for a 100lx or 200lx
'motherboard' to bring it back to life, as the screen, case and keyboard are
more or less fine.  Does any one on this list have one that they'd like to
sell?

  Thanks,

  Tim Pitman

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:51:55 -0500
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              Mike Schneider <mikeschn@AMERITECH.NET>
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From:         Mike Schneider <mikeschn@AMERITECH.NET>
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I'm running a proxy server and would love to be able to get my mail across
the network in Post/Lx.

Mike...
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: Post/lx on Desktop?


> I would love to find a solution for this as well. It would work if there
> were a program to allow emulation of a packet driver in a dos window but
> uses the windows IP stack. I don't have a modem at work but I do have a
nice
> fast ethernet connection. I also have a flash card reader on my desktop. I
> could do all my d/l u/l on the desktop and read the stuff later offline.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe H. Smith" <hplxmail@YAHOO.COM>
> To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Post/lx on Desktop?
>
>
> > > I have tried to set up Post/lx2.2f  like this with no success. (I know
> > > nothing whatsoever re. ethernet etc. so the manual was not any help to
> me).
> > > Could anyone supply me with a .cfg file that runs Post/lx on a desktop
> via
> > > LAN?
> >
> > Forget LAN. There is nothing in the POST.CFG that will help
> > you set up the Post/LX on a desktop versus Palmtop. On my
>
> snipt
>
> > That's it.
> >
> > LAN will give you ever faster d/l times, but what's the big
> > difference between 1 second and 3 seconds? :-)
> >
> > Joe
> >
>
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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:55:42 +0000
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              b.newins@WORLDNET.ATT.NET
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From:         Bob Newins <b.newins@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
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I have "adjusted" many palmtop hinges over the yrs.  To
loosen them up a light machine oil like "3 in 1" has always
work well for me.  Start with just a drop or two after
removing the hinge cap.

To tighten them up use a bit of rubbing alcohol, again just a
drop or two.  I try to adjust the hinge so it is fairly
loose.  This seems to avoid most hinge crack problems.
=Bob=

> I would like to hear further comments and opinions, but this is what was
> mentioned on the list when my hinge disintegrated:
>
>   1) Ivory Liquid Detergent (Soap?)
>   2) Mineral Oil
>   3) Silicone

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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:09:51 +0000
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              fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET
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> I, for one, downloaded this software and I'm anxious to try it.
>
> Thanks,

Funny (or not) thing about the x10 computer interface unit that I have
is that the HP200 is now the only computer which can program it.  It
does not work with faster mhz machines (I don't recall the break point)
and for years, I've hooked up the 200 to the interface using a
combination of gender changers and maybe the null modem and changed the
times when devices trigger on/off.

My pentium cannot do that and I believe that my 486 Gateway also failed.
This was a software limitation of the original x10 software and its then
computer module.  There are newer computer interfaces and software but
what I have works fine with the 200.

Thanks for sharing your software.

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:24:50 -0800
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              Patrick West <francis_patrick_west@YAHOO.COM>
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I believe the keyword is "simulator"
--- Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stefan Peichl" <Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE>
>
> After some heavy programming I'm glad to announce
> PalmLX V1.0,
> the first Palm simulator for the HP200LX. Download
> from
>

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Subject:      Re: PalmLX
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--- "Owen H. Morgan" <ohmorgan@INAME.COM> wrote:
> I think it would be far more useful and far easier
> to write software to read some of the more important
> PalmPilot database formats on the LX. With a well
> written application, the LX could display a Palm
> database _BETTER_ than a PalmPilot,

I agree. And I'd love to be able to beam stuff to and
from a Palm with my lx


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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:47:16 +1300
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              Tony Kan <tony.kan@CLEAR.NET.NZ>
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Subject:      Re: PalmLX V1.0
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What can I say but.... WOW!
From a technology philistine
Tony.

-----Original Message-----
From: HPLX Mailing List Ýmailto:HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU¨On
Behalf Of
Stefan Peichl
Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2001 11:25
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: ANN: PalmLX V1.0


After some heavy programming I'm glad to announce PalmLX
V1.0,
the first Palm simulator for the HP200LX. Download from

http://peichl.hplx.net/palmlx.zip

Current limitations are:

-no ROM image support (and therefore no PalmOS ROM needed)

-no serial and IR support

-only up to 100 PRCs can be run on one virtual Palm. I can
 improve on that, but thought it's enough to start with.

-only small PRCs making no use of the ROM functions seem to
 run at that time. I found many programs just producing
 garbage, however I found no single one which crashed
PalmLX.
 If this is not a good sign?

I added a set of running applications to the zip file. They
are all freeware. Indeed you may replace them by your
choice.
But please don't ask me, why your preffered PRC is not
running.

The speed of PalmLX is surprisingly fast and the screen is
much
better than expected. It is a completely new look and feel
of
the HP200LX not experienced until now.

Put the whole zip file in a new directory and start PalmLX.
By default it starts with one virtual Palm, but you may
press
the keys 2 and 3 to run the corresponding number of Palms.

If more than one Palm is used, the Cursor right/left keys
selects the active Palm, displayed with black buttons.

Within one Palm, the Cursor up/down keys select a program.
All programs are available on every virtual Palm, and every
Palm has it's own working area.

It behaves just like Software Caroussel except that no
screens
are switched and the information of the non active Palms
remains visible.

Enjoy it and have fun to surprise Palm owners with this
3-Palms-in-1-HP200LX.

Many thanks to Jorgen, who encouraged me not to give up and
who was the only one who supported me by sending me a little
Palm program to start with :-)

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:33:48 -0600
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              Jeff <jeffj@NOTACHANCE.COM>
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http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222175530

Jeff

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:36:32 -0500
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              Domingo <dvm123@GMX.CO.UK>
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I really wish people would stop acting like children.  One of
the best lx programmers still with us is trying a project
which can potentially be very beneficial, and all people can
think of is complaint that it is not good enough, it is not
what they want.  I too wish someone would do what I want, but
I sure don't want to discourage the continuation of what there
is (remember Andreas?  And that was with payware.  This is
freeware).

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Peichl" <Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 5:24 PM
Subject: ANN: PalmLX V1.0


> Current limitations are:
> -only small PRCs making no use of the ROM functions seem to
> run at that time. I found many programs just producing
> garbage, however I found no single one which crashed PalmLX.
> If this is not a good sign?

One of the reasons why I felt this project is a good thing, is
because it is a known fact that the POSE emulator is more
stable than the actual Palm enviroment, which creates a
problem for programmers trying to find bugs, but which is a
great advantage to this project.

> I added a set of running applications to the zip file. They
> are all freeware. Indeed you may replace them by your
choice.
> But please don't ask me, why your preffered PRC is not
running.

Do any of the programs do anything besides display a picture
yet? Just wondering.

> The speed of PalmLX is surprisingly fast and the screen is
much
> better than expected. It is a completely new look and feel
of
> the HP200LX not experienced until now.

Ignore the nay sayers, I really like the way this looks (and I
have a Palm).

Keep up the good work.

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:13:53 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Longden Loo" <Longden_Loo@CANDLE.COM>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: Babelfish now has Japanese!


>> True, but if you or Longden had actually bothered to go
beyond the front
>> page, you would actually find that the services are still
in service (so
>> to speak). FWIW, I think that Babelfish is actually built
on licensed
>> code from Elingo...

>Guilty as charged of believing the signs <g>.

Same here.

>I wonder how long the doors stay open (www.elingo.com).

I hope it is long, because elingo DID translate Xfinder's
Japanese documentation, although, as expected, it is a little
hard to understand, and some of it was rendered untranslated.
I think the difference with Babelfish was DOS encoding versus
Windows encoding (I am guessing here), but elingo can handle
it.   Maybe I'll give the japanese hplx sites a second look
now  .  .  .

Thanks for the tip.

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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:45:59 +1030
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From:         Rod Whitby <rwhitby@HPLX.NET>
Organization: Motorola
Subject:      Rod Whitby is auctioning his HP200LX on Ebay
In-Reply-To:  Jeff's message of "Wed, 14 Mar 2001 20:33:48 -0600 (CST)"
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Jeff <jeffj@notachance.com> writes:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222175530

Yes, it's true - I have finally decided to sell my HP200LX.  This is
the machine on which I wrote all those open source programs like
LXTCP, PNR, LXETH, etc.  I have asked Jeff to handle the arrangements
on my behalf.

I feel sad to see it go, but I'm confident that it will find a good
home amongst the HP200LX community.

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:13:40 -0800
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              Larry Mittell <lmittel@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
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From:         Larry Mittell <lmittel@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Subject:      Re: New hinge crack
Comments: To: Hal Goldstein <hal_goldstein@THADDEUS.COM>
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Hmm... You probably ought to reword the parenthetical sentence, Hal. I
think I catch the meaning, but it's not very clear.

Larry Mittell

At 12:18 PM 3/14/01, you wrote:
>Also, remember, when people order a used palmtop or send in their
>palmtop for repair or upgrade, that for $25 they can extend warranty for a
>year, and $75, 2 years. (Unfortunately, we can't honor warranty extension
>after we've shipped used, repaired, or upgraded palmtop since we don't know
>condition.)

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:47:16 -0600
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Subject:      FLUFF: RE: Historical 32MB DS 200LX
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How on EARTH does someone get more than 1200 "feedbacks" on eBay!?!?!?

(says Tim, w/ his measly 9!).

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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:05:15 -0500
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              Ken London <KenLondon@BELD.NET>
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Larry Mittell wrote:

> Hmm... You probably ought to reword the parenthetical sentence, Hal. I
> think I catch the meaning, but it's not very clear.
>
> Larry Mittell
>
> At 12:18 PM 3/14/01, you wrote:
> >Also, remember, when people order a used palmtop or send in their
> >palmtop for repair or upgrade, that for $25 they can extend warranty for a
> >year, and $75, 2 years. (Unfortunately, we can't honor warranty extension
> >after we've shipped used, repaired, or upgraded palmtop since we don't know
> >condition.)
>
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Sounds clear enough to me.

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Jeff wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222175530
>
> Jeff
>
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First bid was $0.99, the # of bids was 0.  If the # of bids are zero,
then where
did the $0.99 come from?    I've never used e-bay but something doesn't
sound
right there.  What am I missing?

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Jeff wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222175530">http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=1222175530</a>
<p>Jeff
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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First bid was $0.99, the # of bids was 0.&nbsp; If the # of bids are zero,
then where
<br>did the $0.99 come from?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I've never used e-bay but
something doesn't sound
<br>right there.&nbsp; What am I missing?</html>

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:19:56 -0800
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              "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@BARRERA.ORG>
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Ken London said:
> What am I missing?

Do you want a list?

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Date:         Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:50:12 MST
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              curtis j brown <mrbrown8@JUNO.COM>
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> From:    "F. Kaufman" <fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
>
> My pentium cannot do that and I believe that my 486 Gateway also
failed.
> This was a software limitation of the original x10 software and its
then
> computer module.  There are newer computer interfaces and software but
> what I have works fine with the 200.

I was able to use the Firecracker with X10's software from my AMD 333MHz
Win95 box for a long while. The serial ports I have on it are the 16550
UARTs. *shrug* The part I liked of their software was that, for the
PalmPad controler, you can print out your own templates to label the
buttons.

But anyway, when I was writing the source, I was trying to pay attention
to X10's protocol about how long the bit states should be, which is
documented at 0.5 ms. When I was having troubles trying to debug my
program, I decided to comment out the delays and just pump out bits as
fast as the CPU could. Later, I was able to get it working, and without
the delays. Knowing the HPLX has the older 8250(?) UARTs, I don't know
what my program's performance would be on a desktop system. I haven't
tried.

The protocol I got at http://www.x10.com/manuals/cm17a_proto.txt . I
found it easy to follow, and I felt luckly to find the serial routines to
toggle the lines I needed.

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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 04:03:07 -0500
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              Andrew Lovell <andrew@LOVELL-INFO.SE>
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Subject:      Re: Babelfish now has Japanese!
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Hi

Babelfish uses Systran software. I bought the professional version of
Systran, since I have a use for it at work. You can download the Personal
Edition from systransoft.com (accessible via Alta Vista) and try it.

Word order in the results can be a bit wierd, but it can be invaluable as
an aid to deciding whether a text contains sufficient information to have
it translated properly.

If anybody is interested, I have a free copy of the German -> English
module which came with a magazine at Christmas.

Systran has been around since shortly after WW II, when it was first
conceived as an aid to letting the peoples of the world understand each
other. The idea was that understanding would help to prevent further wars.
In the early days, it required an IBM 360 all to itself, and companies such
as Caterpillar and Xerox used the megabuck approach to translating their
voluminous service manuals.

I am vastly impressed by the way that a universal module now runs on an
ordinary PC.

Regards

Andrew

>>> to speak). FWIW, I think that Babelfish is actually built
>on licensed
>>> code from Elingo...

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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 04:13:57 -0500
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:24:56 +0000 (GMT), Stefan Peichl wrote:

Stefan

> After some heavy programming I'm glad to announce PalmLX V1.0,
> the first Palm simulator for the HP200LX.

I am a bit confused. This is a simulator. What is the diffrence between
a emulator and your simulator?

> -only up to 100 PRCs can be run on one virtual Palm. I can
>  improve on that, but thought it's enough to start with.

What actually is a PRC? I am not into the Palm, but are these programs
that you can run in your simulator?

I tesdrove your PalmLx, and I am a bit confused what I actually can do
with it.

Do not get me wrong. I find it interesting..just a bit confused right
now..

> -only small PRCs making no use of the ROM functions seem to
>  run at that time. I found many programs just producing
>  garbage, however I found no single one which crashed PalmLX.
>  If this is not a good sign?
>
> I added a set of running applications to the zip file.

This is what I do not understand. I can scroll up/down and get a lot of
"screen images". But are these applications running on the Hplx?

> The speed of PalmLX is surprisingly fast and the screen is much
> better than expected. It is a completely new look and feel of
> the HP200LX not experienced until now.

It lxks nice. Small font though.

> Put the whole zip file in a new directory and start PalmLX.
> By default it starts with one virtual Palm, but you may press
> the keys 2 and 3 to run the corresponding number of Palms.

This looked cool with three palm's on the Hplx.

What applications would I want running on the Hplx then?

Regards

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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 19:33:27 +0800
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Hi Stefan,

Looks great!!! Go for it and please do not listen to the people which
comes with all the "no, it's not possible, etc"! :-) By having that type =
of
attitude, it's very difficult to accomplish great things. :-)

With the right programming knowledge, you can do the "impossible" on
a 200LX. No need to have a pentium machine and Windows- right Stefan?

So far so good, and I support this project 200%!!!

Regards,

Jorgen

> After some heavy programming I'm glad to announce PalmLX V1.0,
> the first Palm simulator for the HP200LX. Download from
>
> http://peichl.hplx.net/palmlx.zip
>
> Current limitations are:
>
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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:42:47 +0100
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Martin Bergvill wrote:

> I am a bit confused. This is a simulator. What is the diffrence between
> a emulator and your simulator?

I think fake has a much nicer ring to it than simulator. Less confusing
too.



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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:46:53 -0500
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I've tried several times to us the posted commands to cancel my
subscription. I must be illiterate and non-intuitave amoung other
dysfunctionalities, but I always get a message back sending me to HELP.
Having nevertaken to programming, is there a program out there that tries
all the possibilities?

Bill Neuberg
former Accis 3 user who couldn't master Accis 4, let alone whatever-LX, and
who lost my battery monitor program trying.

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Hi,

I recently dug out my HP200LX from storage (I was
thinking of using one of the new Handspring palmtops,
but was dismayed by the rapid battery drain, no backup
battery, and no way to recharge).

I have the connectivity pack, and 2 of the 3 disks.
I'm missing disk 3.  Does anyone know where I can get
disk 3, or the contents of disk 3?

It's frustrating trying to do data transfers with just
the DataComm app.

Thanks,
Tom

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   Stefan Peichl wrote:
> After some heavy programming I'm glad to announce PalmLX V1.0,
> the first Palm simulator for the HP200LX. Download from

Stefan,

Congratulation for this lighting fast proof of concept. The screen is =
indeed
more ledgible than what we could have expected from the size of the pilot
screen.

The HP200LX will never have a touch sensitive screen but another pointing
device can be substituted. A Touchpad (or a mouse) connected to the =
serial
port can provide this function.

The Pilot has indeed a faster processor than the 200LX but I assume that =
most
of the processing power is required for the handwritting recognition =
(Grafitti)
which is not absolutely needed on the HP200LX emulation.
A number of Pilot application themselve are not very complex and can be
handled by a 80186 even with the emulation layer.

I tried to load the *.PRC file under the Windows version of the Palm =
Emulator
and did not succeed. Are these real PRC or rather screen shots of the =
output
of the PRC application. The lack of ROM and the fixed size of the *.PRC =
make
me lean towards option 2 :-) .

Thanks again for devoting your time to this project.

Regards,

 \/
 /ves

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Indeed! (Though PALM/LX *IS* an amusing, well done, novelty).

So... is this how the HPLX-L list ends? In a neverending debate regarding=
 an
impossible task. A palm emulator... on an XT,. Get real! We can't even ru=
n the
GAMEBOY emulator on the LX, for lack of speed.

Again... how about something practical! DOCREAD is great, but only suppor=
ts
DOC format. How about opening up some other PALM formats? Programmers... =
take
a look at the Memoware site (www.memoware.com). It would be excellent to =
be
able to support some of these additional formats.

Regards,

Larry

Laust Brock-Nannestad wrote:
> =

> I think fake has a much nicer ring to it than simulator. Less confusing=

> too.
> =

> Cheers,
> =

> Laust
> =

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Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 11:47 PM
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> How on EARTH does someone get more than 1200 "feedbacks" on
eBay!?!?!?
> (says Tim, w/ his measly 9!).

Easy, have plenty to sell, and keep your customers happy.
Actually, the hard part is finding plenty to sell.  I had
thought to try what Jeff is doing (selling old stuff), but I
could never figure how he finds so much GOOD stuff to sell,
and keep his day job too  (most of what I find is junk).

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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 4:13 AM
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> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:24:56 +0000 (GMT), Stefan Peichl
wrote:
>
> Stefan
>
> > After some heavy programming I'm glad to announce PalmLX
V1.0,
> > the first Palm simulator for the HP200LX.
>
> I am a bit confused. This is a simulator. What is the
diffrence between
> a emulator and your simulator?

As someone else mentioned, this is just a proof of concept, to
give us an idea of what it will look like once it does work.
The only thing that bothers me a little about the project is
that Stephan is trying to do it without the actual ROM.  I
understand why, but I don't know how it could fly without it.
I looked at the Palm site, and it appears that to register to
get a free ROM is free for the asking.   Did I get that wrong?
They just want a statement of purpose and so on.   They also
appear to be very interested in making the OS hardware
independent, in which case it might make things easier for the
emulator.

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> Again... how about something practical! DOCREAD is great,
but only supports
> DOC format. How about opening up some other PALM formats?
Programmers... take
> a look at the Memoware site (www.memoware.com). It would be
excellent to be
> able to support some of these additional formats.

Reality check.   DOC is the ONLY open Palm format.  All the
rest are proprietary (copyrighted).  People could seek
permission I suppose, but the copyright holders still have a
financial interest in their formats, and are not likely to
release code.

They include iSilo, TomRaider, Thinkdb, Handbase, and TealDOC
(the last one is a spin from the DOC format, so I don't  know
what kind of rights they have there).  I probably missed a few
others.

Perhaps someone could start emailing those people, to see if
they are in a generous mood?   Personally I see that as much
less likely than the emulator, so I know I personally will not
try.

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Longden Loo writes:
> Fascinating translations, like this web translation
> of "The Life of young Sumo wrestlers in
> Wakamatsu Beya Group"

I don't think this can be anything new.  I've been reading
instructions on Japanese products that sound just like this for
years.  Obviously they've been using this technology since the
'50s.

I think what happens is that since they know it's directed at an
American audience they're speaking in a way they hope is simple
enough for us to understand.

Something like President Bush might do when meeting the Chief of
the Navajos
"How!   Kowabonga, Kimosabe!  Me big chief of white brothers
over thataway!", pointing to Washington, D.C.

When the Chief replies "Welcome to our reservation, President
Bush, and welcome to your lovely wife" the President would turn
to an advisor and ask "Can you make out what he's saying?".

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I am using Goin' Postal on both my 200LX and my laptop. One
problem I have is that all HPLX-L msgs arrive to me with the
Sender, Reply To, etc. all with the HPLX-L address, never
with the original sender's email address. This is quite
frustrating when I wish to contact another list member
off-list.

Such was the case this morning when Tom was asking for Disk
3 of the Connectivity Pack. I have all the disk images for
the software and could easily have sent it to him if I could
have replied to him off-list. But, alas, I cannot since his
email address is never shown on the msgs I get.

I have tried all the GP settings but nothing changes the
information in the header of the HPLX-L msgs. If anyone
knows what can be changed I'd like to know. Otherwise, it
would be a good idea for each listmember to put their email
address at the end of their messages.

Bob

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Stefan Peichl wrote:
> Within one Palm, the Cursor up/down keys
> select a program. All programs are available
> on every virtual Palm, and every Palm has it's
> own working area.

You might want to incorporate my new touch sensitive LX screen
driver to give a heightened sense of realism.

While no software can actually make the screen sensitive to a
touch, the driver makes it appear to do this by sensing
temperature variations in the skin of the hand holding it and
deducing where the user wants to touch the screen.  This has the
additional avantage that slips of the fingers are not detected.
Only the intended stroke is reported.  A paradox exists if the
user intends his fingers to slip.

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Hi Stefan,

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:24:56 +0000, Stefan Peichl <Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE> wrote:

> After some heavy programming I'm glad to announce PalmLX V1.0,
> the first Palm simulator for the HP200LX. Download from

Oh my god, you indeed worked a miracle! You are a genius! I'll
immediately try it out.

GTX
daniel


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Hi friends,

sorry that I add only a few words to these quoted lines, that's not my
usual way to reply to emails, but I simply don't have to say more
about them:

I TOTALLY agree!

GTX
daniel

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:36:32 -0500, Domingo <dvm123@GMX.CO.UK> wrote:

> I really wish people would stop acting like children.  One of
> the best lx programmers still with us is trying a project
> which can potentially be very beneficial, and all people can
> think of is complaint that it is not good enough, it is not
> what they want.  I too wish someone would do what I want, but
> I sure don't want to discourage the continuation of what there
> is (remember Andreas?  And that was with payware.  This is
> freeware).

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Hi Stefan,

On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:36:32 -0500, Domingo <dvm123@GMX.CO.UK> wrote:

> Ignore the nay sayers, I really like the way this looks (and I
> have a Palm).

Would it be of any advantage to leave away the border with the PalmLX
logo and the buttons and scale the picture to the maximal possible
vertical size? Or would that cost too much processing power and / or
would the scaled image become too indistinct?

GTX
daniel

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Hi Curtis,

On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:36:10 MST, curtis j brown <mrbrown8@JUNO.COM> wrote:

> > BTW: What is a X-10 Firecraker? ;-)
>
> X10 (www.x10.com) is a company that develops products for home
> automation, remotely controlling your lamps, switches, coffee pots, etc.
> The Firecracker is a controller that you plug into the serial port of
> your computer. Because of its small size, I thought it would complement
> our small palmtops.

This sounds really interesting! Here in Germany home automatition isn't
very wide spread by now. But it will come, sooner or later. And if I
would be able to start my dishwasher with my LX and mobile phone from
100km away  before I drive back home... 8-)
Or if I could switch on a lamp and a radio while I sit on a lonely
island in order to prevent burglary (okay, at the moment I'm doing that
with a simple timer switch, that also works, but with the HPLX it would
be real fun!)

What are _you_ doing with your home automatition? Do you really need
it, what do you think? Or is it just fun to you?

GTX
daniel

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<<Hmm... You probably ought to reword the parenthetical sentence, Hal. I
think I catch the meaning, but it's not very clear.

Larry Mittell>>

You, too, Larry<g>. Rich Hall, editor of Pocket PC magazine and former
Palmtop Paper editor, keeps warning me about my long and convoluted
sentences.

I meant to say was that we will sell extensions to our standard 90-day
warranty ONLY at the time of purchase. In other words, if you send us a
palmtop for upgrade or repair, or you if buy a used palmtop, at that time
you can purchase an extension. You cannot 2 weeks or 4 months later call us
and purchase an extension.

The rates are $25 to extend to a year, and $75 to extend to 2 years.

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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:10:54 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Hertrich" <d.hertrich@GMX.DE>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: ANN: PalmLX V1.0


> Would it be of any advantage to leave away the border with
the PalmLX
> logo and the buttons and scale the picture to the maximal
possible
> vertical size? Or would that cost too much processing power
and / or
> would the scaled image become too indistinct?

Unfortunately, as Stephan explained, PalmLX represents a Palm
pixel by pixel (160 x 160), which in the hplx is rather small.
So removing the cool border would not help anything.  He
mentioned an option of doubling the pixels, but then you would
have to scroll.   I guess there is no way to fake the pixels
some other way (in my desktop the POSE emulator looks huge, I
guess they tripled the pixels or something).

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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:42:25 +0000
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:59:54 -0600, Barry wrote:

>That wouldn't help much.  The Palm screen is square.  The
>640x200 pixels on the LX are slightly taller than they are wide
>so that would give a slight increase in width but not enough to
>help much.  It would also add some overhead making the thing run
>a little bit slower.

In all this talk about screen size, has anyone checked to see if the Palm
screen size is a fixed value? It may be that Palm programs check the =
screen
size available, just like PC programs, and use what's available. In which
case it might work OK on our 640x200 screens.

Just a thought.

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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:43:05 MST
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:37:59 +0200 Daniel Hertrich <d.hertrich@gmx.de>
writes:


> What are _you_ doing with your home automatition? Do you really need
> it, what do you think? Or is it just fun to you?

Heh, honestly I haven't done much of anything. The only thing I have
'automated' is one lamp. I have one of those 6 foot, uh, I meant 2 meter
long halogen lamps that has those long and skinny bulbs. At night when I
get home and sit to watch TV, I reach for the palmpad remote and turn on
the lamp. I have also experimented with controlling the Firecracker from
the web using PHP-X10 (http://php-x10.sourceforge.net/). Whenever I have
guests over, I sometimes tease them by having the lights 'randomly' turn
off. I kinda want to get into this a little more. But I have had to
change apartments several times over the past couple of years. It's hard
for me to get ambitious about 'roboticizing' my home if I only have to
tear it down in the near future.


I do have big plans for when I do own a house. And I'm not talking about
simple lights or coffee pots or any of that crap. In *my* house, I will
have:
One button to scroll down the white screen from the ceiling,
One button to power up the projection TV hanging on the ceiling,
One button to turn on the 8 speaker surround sound system,
One button to raise the foot stool from the floor,
One button to swivel the CD storage rack in the wall,
and One button to flip the top of my coffe table next to me, exposing my
sony playstation.

I can dream big, can't I?  ;)
--
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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:19:38 -0700
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Domingo wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Hertrich" <d.hertrich@GMX.DE>
> > Would it be of any advantage to leave away the border with
> the PalmLX
> > logo and the buttons and scale the picture to the maximal
> possible
> > vertical size? Or would that cost too much processing power
> and / or
> > would the scaled image become too indistinct?
>
> Unfortunately, as Stephan explained, PalmLX represents a Palm
> pixel by pixel (160 x 160), which in the hplx is rather small.
> So removing the cool border would not help anything.  He
> mentioned an option of doubling the pixels, but then you would
> have to scroll.   I guess there is no way to fake the pixels
> some other way (in my desktop the POSE emulator looks huge, I
> guess they tripled the pixels or something).

How about having a zoom mode, which doubles the pixels, but
normal mode is the 160x160.

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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:38:12 -0500
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Hi Stephan.  It just occured to me that it might be helpful to
have the option of having the pixels of your program doubled,
even with the scrolling involved, just to see what that would
be like.   What do you think?  Would that be too complicated?
Either that or two versions, one with the small screen, one
with the large one.

Just a thought.

Domingo

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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:32:47 -0500
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Joseph S. Barrera III ably wrote:
> Ken London said:
> > What am I missing?
>
> Do you want a list?

Al Kinds server cuts off messages over 100 lines - you won't
be able to post it all in one message.

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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:32:50 -0500
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LARRY FELDMAN ably wrote:
> Indeed! (Though PALM/LX *IS* an amusing, well done, novelty).
>
> So... is this how the HPLX-L list ends? In a neverending debate regarding an
> impossible task. A palm emulator... on an XT,. Get real! We can't even run the
> GAMEBOY emulator on the LX, for lack of speed.

In 1996 several people posted "scholarly" longish messages on
HPHAND assuring everyone that the 200LX was unable to run any
internet TCPIP applications and will never do email beyond
Accis. Several reasons were brought out and explained ad
nauseam. Speed was prominent among the reasons.

I believe that's when NetTamer was first proposed and ported
to the 100LX, and WWWLX came about that time. Call us all
morons... What do we know? <g>

 Joe


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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:32:51 -0500
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Stefan Peichl ably wrote:
> After some heavy programming I'm glad to announce PalmLX V1.0,
> the first Palm simulator for the HP200LX. Download from

Excellent simulation. The screen is nice and clean.

> Current limitations are:

Perhaps add that there is NOTHING alive behind the pictures!
It was so realistic I went immediately to start _using_ it!
:-) Then I realised how wonderful this is!

The screen is a bit small depending on the quality of your
vision of course. I wonder if there is anyway to improve the
readability?

Excellent job! Thank you.

  Joe


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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:32:53 -0500
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Joseph S. Barrera III ably wrote:
> "Speed kills" -- Forest Baskett

A few months ago, A Meshar wrote here his corollary to this:

"Speed Kills - Use Windows"

  Joe (the other one...)


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Just type the following AND NOTHING ELSE, NOT EVEN YOUR NAME:

SIGNOFF HPLX-L


Bill Neuberg wrote:

> I've tried several times to us the posted commands to cancel my
> subscription. I must be illiterate and non-intuitave amoung other
> dysfunctionalities, but I always get a message back sending me to HELP.
> Having nevertaken to programming, is there a program out there that tries
> all the possibilities?
>
> Bill Neuberg
> former Accis 3 user who couldn't master Accis 4, let alone whatever-LX, and
> who lost my battery monitor program trying.
>
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While trying to install the accton 2216 I am encountering
problems. The HPLX.NET article has lots of information but
seems to assume a lot of things.

While running MSWGCN's SETUP.EXE on Win98 it asked for card
drivers but there was nothing it would accept as the drivers.
I used NE2000 compatible finally, and now that SETUP program starts
up with that setup.

So first of all how to back out what was done?

and then, what drivers is this program looking for?
Instruction 2 in the hplx.net article Win95 setup makes some
reference to NDIS, but there is nothing there usable to the
SETUP program.

Anyone cares to drag me out of this mire? I am really lost in
this one.

The SETUP program created the following files in the NET
subdirectory (which presumably should be now taken to the
Palmtop):

autoexec.bat, config.sys, ne2000.dos, network.inf,
protman.dos, protman.exe, protocol.ini, setup.inf, system.ini,
workgrp.sys

(Of course these files contains incorrect calues, since I
chose NE2000, instead of ??? - see above) What DOES get taken
to the palmtop? Does it need all these files?

TIA

  Joe


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Date:         Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:03:06 +0000
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What does the "historical" mean?

Cheers... Russ

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Date:         Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:03:08 +0000
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> -- Rod Whitby (soon to be ex-HP200LX owner and developer)

Another loss to the LX community...

Cheers... Russ  :-(

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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:55:55 -0600
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil Tungate" <neil@skipper.org.uk>
To: "HPLX Mailing List" <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>; "Barry"
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Subject: Re: Palmlx - Screen


On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:59:54 -0600, Barry wrote:

>That wouldn't help much.  The Palm screen is square.  The
>640x200 pixels on the LX are slightly taller than they are wide
>so that would give a slight increase in width but not enough to
>help much.  It would also add some overhead making the thing
run
>a little bit slower.

In all this talk about screen size, has anyone checked to see if
the Palm
screen size is a fixed value? It may be that Palm programs check
the screen
size available, just like PC programs, and use what's available.
In which
case it might work OK on our 640x200 screens.

I haven't looked at a lot of Palm source except the little bit
I've done.  You can get the screen size from the API and there's
generally a lot of concern among Palm programmers with
portability so my guess is most use the API's returned screen
size.  On the other hand, the screen size on all Palms has
always been 160 x 160 so a lot of programmers might feel ok with
using that as a constant.  Especially the less experienced
independant ones.

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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:41:17 -0700
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Hello all;

I have had my Xircom Rex 6000 for about two weeks, now, so I
thought it was about time to let you know what it's like, (call
it FLUFF, if you wish). Most of this information applies to the
US version, so it may not apply to our international friends,
sorry.

The new Rex 6000 has the same tiny PCMCIA Type II form factor as
the Rex-3 that many of us are familiar with. But the new 6000 is
much more usable and practical than the Rex-3 - or, I believe,
even the 5000. The new touch-sensitive screen makes all the
difference in the world, since data entry and editing is so much
easier with a touch screen. And even though the on-screen
software keyboard is small, it's well-designed and easy to use.

The Rex 6000 comes with 2 MB of flash memory that holds loads of
data in it's calendar, contacts, tasks, memo, world clock and
web applets. In addition to the usual five navigation buttons on
the right side, it also has a touch-sensitive application bar
along the bottom of the screen that makes it easy to switch
quickly between apps. It takes two lithium coin cell batteries
that are included with the unit and the flash memory means that
you won't lose data while changing batteries or if you are
unaware that the batteries have run down.

The unit also comes with a small plastic stylus, a plastic jewel
case, a leather case with an elastic loop to hold the stylus,
and a CD with drivers, documentation, Intellisync (with support
for Microsoft Outlook), and a PIM, of sorts, called Intellisync
Mobile Desktop. This is probably the sorriest excuse for a PIM
that I've ever seen, since it just shows the information in a
list and has no search or sort capabilities. Fortunately, it
imports comma delimited text (or CSV) files, so you can easily
import your 200LX Phone Book Data via GDBDUMP. By the way,
importing from the Rex-3 TrueSync Desktop PIM is a nightmare, so
don't even bother!

One of the neatest features of the Rex 6000 is the downloadable
web content. When you sync, Intellisync goes to www.rex.net and
downloads the content that you've selected to the Rex so it's
readable off-line. (No, the Rex isn't Web enabled, so you can't
surf the web. Maybe someday!) You can configure it to download
news, stock quotes, weather forecasts, horoscopes, movie
reviews, and even the movie times at your local theater.
However, rex.net has been down a lot lately, so capability here
is a bit spotty as a result.

There is also support for little add-in applets called Extras
that can be downloaded to the Rex so you can play games (or
whatever) while you're riding the bus (or whatever). However,
currently, the only ones available are for the Japanese version
of the Rex 6000, called the Dataslim2, so the Japanese language
characters don't look right on the screen and the applets might
act a little strange. But it's a great idea. The biggest
drawback is that Xircom currently has no plans to release an
SDK, so there will likely be very little third-party
development. I personally believe this to be a huge mistake on
their part, since a third-party development program would create
much more of a market than a single company's marketing
department could. DOS and the Palm being perfect illustrations
of this point!

So, with the exceptions of a lack of third-party development, a
dismal PIM, unreliable web support and a few other little
gripes, it's a good, usable product - much better than the
Rex-3. If Xircom could get these problems worked out, it would
be a great product. If you're looking for a very small PDA, then
this is the one for you, but if size is not important, then your
$150 might be better spent on a Palm M100.

Happy Palmtopping,
Richard Smith

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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:04:21 -0800
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Knowing the source, I imagine so.

Larry Mittell

At 09:05 PM 3/14/01, you wrote:
>Sounds clear enough to me.

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Subject: Installing ACCTON 2216


> While trying to install the accton 2216 I am encountering
> problems. The HPLX.NET article has lots of information but
> seems to assume a lot of things.
>


    I have also had problems installing the EN-2216 card from
Accton.   I've just about reached the point of giving up since I
now have a Sandisk card reader.  Like you said, there's a lot of
information available, but unless everything works perfectly the
first time, it's hard to locate the problem.  Werner Furlan has
indicated in a recent posting that the new Accton cards may not
work with the drivers from Rod Whitby's site.
    Good luck to you, and I'd be really interested in hearing
from you !
Ted Brown
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My ISP apparently ate the original email on this. Can anyone forward it to
me? It sounds interesting.

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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:47:21 -0500
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Hi Stefan,

>After some heavy programming I'm glad to announce PalmLX V1.0,
>the first Palm simulator for the HP200LX. Download from
>
>http://peichl.hplx.net/palmlx.zip

Wow!  What a great surprise.  You can be sure that I'll go check that out
right away. :-)

Thank you so much for following through on such a good idea.  It's
amazing what can be accomplished when someone stubbornly refuses to
accept defeat before starting. ;-)

Please keep it up, Stefan.  I'm not a programmer, but let me know if
there is anything I can do to help you in this project.

This news has really got me excited about the possibilities. :-)

Cheers,

John Vander Stel
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Joe is right! During my 6 years with 200LX, I have heard it so many
times-"no, it's not possible to do on a 200LX!" etc. Then someone did
it!!! People trained on MS Windows programming, will never understand
the possibilities with real programming. I really enjoyed the
discussion on this list about 2 years ago that it was not possible to
write a good graphic game for the 200LX and especially not 3D graphics.
But since I then already run plenty of old graphic games, such as In
They Eye of The Beholder, Grand Prix, Sim City and more- I found the
discussion extremely funny! :-)

Jorgen

> LARRY FELDMAN ably wrote:
> > Indeed! (Though PALM/LX *IS* an amusing, well done, novelty).
> >
> > So... is this how the HPLX-L list ends? In a neverending debate =
regarding an
> > impossible task. A palm emulator... on an XT,. Get real! We can't =
even run the
> > GAMEBOY emulator on the LX, for lack of speed.
>
> In 1996 several people posted "scholarly" longish messages on
> HPHAND assuring everyone that the 200LX was unable to run any
> internet TCPIP applications and will never do email beyond
> Accis. Several reasons were brought out and explained ad
> nauseam. Speed was prominent among the reasons.
>
> I believe that's when NetTamer was first proposed and ported
> to the 100LX, and WWWLX came about that time. Call us all
> morons... What do we know? <g>
>
>  Joe

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Hi Stefan,

On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:23:14 +0000, Stefan Peichl <Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE> wrote:

> The 4 Palm keys could easily be replaced by the blue palmtop
> application keys.

Be careful here, if oyu are running palmlx under Software Carousel, pressing
one of the blue keys would swap Work Areas.

What are the 4 palm keys for?

GTX
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Its been said:
The impossible will be done immediately
but miracles take a little longer.

Konfucious say:
Some ideas are better than others.

yor pal al..........


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Martin Bergvill wrote:
> I am a bit confused. This is a simulator. What
> is the diffrence between a emulator and your
> simulator?
> Do not get me wrong. I find it interesting..just
> a bit confused right now..

Well, maybe I'm wrong about the viability of this project.  If
Stefan Peichl's initial attempt comes so near to satisfying an
intelligent and perceptive user like Martin Bergvill, maybe the
real key is not to get more hardware but to lower our
expectations.

Stefan, have you considered adding an animation when the program
starts that shows the cover being lifted.  And perhaps one when
the program terminates showing the cover going back over the
screen.  And, for enhanced realism, what about a few new screen
scratches every week and a crack in the screen after a few
months?

You could have an animated stylus write every keypress in
grafiti.  There's part of the answer to the touch screen issue.

Since you have 3 Palm screens on the LX screen you might
consider putting them to some use.  For example the middle one
can show the result of the key just pressed, the left one can
show the result of the previous key press and the right screen
can show the result of the key that is about to be pressed.

Have you started a version to simulate the color Palm yet?

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Barry,

Your sarcasm is not appreciated. Unless you have something useful to add to
Stefan's efforts, perhaps you should keep quite and not waste our time.

Bob Feldman

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<snip>...

Well, maybe I'm wrong about the viability of this project.  If
Stefan Peichl's initial attempt comes so near to satisfying an
intelligent and perceptive user like Martin Bergvill, maybe the
real key is not to get more hardware but to lower our
expectations.

Stefan, have you considered ...<snip>

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LARRY FELDMAN wrote:
> Reality check.   DOC is the ONLY open Palm
> format.  All the rest are proprietary (copyrighted).
> People could seek permission I suppose, but the
> copyright holders still have a financial interest in
> their formats, and are not likely to release code.

I don't believe there'll be a lot of hindrance.  Many companies
publish their file formats along with development packages.  For
those that don't a lot will be easy enough to figure out well
enough to make a reader.  You only have to have really complete
knowege of the format if you make a writer that will send data
back to those Palm programs.

Some formats will be harder to figure out but there might be
people interested in doing it for those formats that will be
most useful.  I think the only truly difficult formats will be
of compressed files.  And even those are far from impossible to
figure out.

I'm no lawyer but I can't see any reason why decyphering a file
format and writing a reader for it should be illegal, regardless
of copyright.  Wotsit makes PC file formats (Mac and others,
too, I think) available without regard to copyright.  They just
might be the most valuable programming resource on the web.  If
they've ever been threatened I've never heard about it.

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Barry wrote:

> Marta Pierce wrote:
> > Just an idea, would it be possible to use
> > the screen something like VR does? then
> > maybe the whole page would be shown.
> > I dunno, it is just by looking at the diagram
> > below made me think of VR.
>
> That wouldn't help much.  The Palm screen is square.  The
> 640x200 pixels on the LX are slightly taller than they are wide
> so that would give a slight increase in width but not enough to
> help much.  It would also add some overhead making the thing run
> a little bit slower.

  It does not add any overhead for placing bitmaps on the
screen.  Which I presume is what's happening with an
emulator/simulator.  And if a grey scale mode is used,
the obvious stretching would be mitigated somewhat.  But
as I found when placing images sideways on the screen
there's a lot to get used to when trying to use the
keyboard.

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John J Vanderstel wrote:
> Thank you so much for following through on such a
> good idea.  It's amazing what can be accomplished
> when someone stubbornly refuses to accept defeat
> before starting. ;-)

It really is inspiring, isn't it!

Is anyone besides me old enough to remember when Pat Paulsen got
a half million votes?  I'm not quite sure why this reminds me of
Pat Paulsen.  But he deserved every vote he got.

I still remember his brilliant answer when asked whether we
should allow Red China into the United Nations.  Who else would
have thought to ask what color the tablecloth was?

Stefan, you've earned a place of honor with your stunning
achievement.  Congratulations on becoming the new LX Guru!  You
deserve to receive the Pat Paulson award, if there is such a
thing.  If not, maybe you could invent one.

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Sorry, but I did **NOT** write what was attributed to me below. As a matt=
er of
fact, I agree with you!

:¬)

Larry Feldman


Barry wrote:
> =

> =

> LARRY FELDMAN wrote:
> > Reality check.   DOC is the ONLY open Palm
> > format.  All the rest are proprietary (copyrighted).
> > People could seek permission I suppose, but the
> > copyright holders still have a financial interest in
> > their formats, and are not likely to release code.
> =

> I don't believe there'll be a lot of hindrance.  Many companies
> publish their file formats along with development packages.  For
> those that don't a lot will be easy enough to figure out well
> enough to make a reader.  You only have to have really complete
> knowege of the format if you make a writer that will send data
> back to those Palm programs.
> =

> Some formats will be harder to figure out but there might be
> people interested in doing it for those formats that will be
> most useful.  I think the only truly difficult formats will be
> of compressed files.  And even those are far from impossible to
> figure out.
> =

> I'm no lawyer but I can't see any reason why decyphering a file
> format and writing a reader for it should be illegal, regardless
> of copyright.  Wotsit makes PC file formats (Mac and others,
> too, I think) available without regard to copyright.  They just
> might be the most valuable programming resource on the web.  If
> they've ever been threatened I've never heard about it.
> =

> Barry
> =

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On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Feldman, Robert wrote:

> Your sarcasm is not appreciated. Unless you have something useful to
> add to Stefan's efforts, perhaps you should keep quite and not waste
> our time.

Does that mean there was no sarcasm in Stefan's announcement? I thought it
was quite funny!

"One function still needs some work to be done. It is the one at the end
of the code:

void prc()  // run prc program from buffer"

Hehe, "one function still needs some work". If that isn't sarcasm, I don't
know what is...


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Date:         Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:13:05 -0500
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Comments: To: Martin Bergvill <martin@MOBILPOST.COM>

This was a little joke on Stefan's part. He's a great programmer but was
having a little fun at everyone's expense. I had a hard time believing that
he had pulled it off when he first announced it but he is one of the most
talented programmers on this list. It was still a good piece of work because
it answers some questions about the feasibility of displaying a palm screen
on the LX. Now we just have to answer the questions about functional
feasibility.

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> On Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:24:56 +0000 (GMT), Stefan Peichl wrote:
>
> Stefan
>
> > After some heavy programming I'm glad to announce PalmLX V1.0,
> > the first Palm simulator for the HP200LX.
>
> I am a bit confused. This is a simulator. What is the diffrence between
> a emulator and your simulator?
>
> > -only up to 100 PRCs can be run on one virtual Palm. I can
> >  improve on that, but thought it's enough to start with.
>
> What actually is a PRC? I am not into the Palm, but are these programs
> that you can run in your simulator?
>
> I tesdrove your PalmLx, and I am a bit confused what I actually can do
> with it.
>
> Do not get me wrong. I find it interesting..just a bit confused right
> now..
>
> > -only small PRCs making no use of the ROM functions seem to
> >  run at that time. I found many programs just producing
> >  garbage, however I found no single one which crashed PalmLX.
> >  If this is not a good sign?
> >
> > I added a set of running applications to the zip file.
>
> This is what I do not understand. I can scroll up/down and get a lot of
> "screen images". But are these applications running on the Hplx?
>
> > The speed of PalmLX is surprisingly fast and the screen is much
> > better than expected. It is a completely new look and feel of
> > the HP200LX not experienced until now.
>
> It lxks nice. Small font though.
>
> > Put the whole zip file in a new directory and start PalmLX.
> > By default it starts with one virtual Palm, but you may press
> > the keys 2 and 3 to run the corresponding number of Palms.
>
> This looked cool with three palm's on the Hplx.
>
> What applications would I want running on the Hplx then?
>
> Regards
>
> --
> Martin Bergvill ,Narvik Norway
>
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> This was a little joke on Stefan's part. He's a great
programmer but was
> having a little fun at everyone's expense. I had a hard time
believing that
> he had pulled it off when he first announced it but he is
one of the most
> talented programmers on this list. It was still a good piece
of work because
> it answers some questions about the feasibility of
displaying a palm screen
> on the LX. Now we just have to answer the questions about
functional
> feasibility.

What do you mean, a joke?

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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: ANN: PalmLX V1.0


> LARRY FELDMAN wrote:
> > Reality check.   DOC is the ONLY open Palm
> > format.  All the rest are proprietary (copyrighted).
> > People could seek permission I suppose, but the
> > copyright holders still have a financial interest in
> > their formats, and are not likely to release code.

Just for the record, I wrote the above.

> I don't believe there'll be a lot of hindrance.  Many
companies
> publish their file formats along with development packages.
For
> those that don't a lot will be easy enough to figure out
well
> enough to make a reader.  You only have to have really
complete
> knowege of the format if you make a writer that will send
data
> back to those Palm programs.
> Some formats will be harder to figure out but there might be
> people interested in doing it for those formats that will be
> most useful.  I think the only truly difficult formats will
be
> of compressed files.  And even those are far from impossible
to
> figure out.

Wonderful news!  Stephan is working on an emulator and Barry
is working on a reader program!  :o)
Seriously, you are the only profesional programmer who has
commented on this point so far, AFAIK, so that qualifies you
to do the job.  :-)    :-)

As far as the programming part, iSilo format supports
graphics, HTML, links and bookmarks, plus a much tighter
compression than the DOC format affords.  Tealdoc also
supports graphics, though it appears not to be much different
than the standard DOC format.  My point?   How are you going
to render files with formating, fonts and graphics intended
for the Palm screen in the hplx screen, unless you emulate
that screen size?

Based on my understanding, the only popular format you are
going to be able to support easily is Tomraider, because you
don't even have to support the Palm platform with it (there
are Windows versions of the program).  Besides, that company
would probably be very appreciative to be provided with a free
reader for DOS, since they already have several others (Palm,
Windows, Psion, perhaps Wince, not sure).

The other database programs (Handbase, Thinkdb,  etc) don't
have quite as much free information available, and since they
are database programs in the usual sense of the word, I see
little point in writing a reader.  Just use their Windows
counterpart to convert the file to the format you need (csv,
etc.).

There is another specialized reader by Teal, whose name
escapes at the moment (I didn't like it, so I don't use it).
That one has a significant number of free and commercial files
writen for it, but again, it supports graphics, tables and
formatting.  How are you going to display that in the hplx?
I just remember, it's Tealinfo.

> I'm no lawyer but I can't see any reason why decyphering a
file
> format and writing a reader for it should be illegal,
regardless
> of copyright.  Wotsit makes PC file formats (Mac and others,
> too, I think) available without regard to copyright.  They
just
> might be the most valuable programming resource on the web.
If
> they've ever been threatened I've never heard about it.

Go for it, Barry! We are behind you 100%

Domingo

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Date:         Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:30:12 +0000
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:32:51 -0500, Joe H. Smith wrote:

>The screen is a bit small depending on the quality of your
>vision of course. I wonder if there is anyway to improve the
>readability?

More powerful spectacles ?

>Excellent job! Thank you.

Indeed.

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Date:         Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:10:54 -0500
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              Martin Bergvill <martin@MOBILPOST.COM>
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:53:34 -0600, Barry wrote:

Barry

> Martin Bergvill wrote:
> > I am a bit confused. This is a simulator. What
> > is the diffrence between a emulator and your
> > simulator?
> > Do not get me wrong. I find it interesting..just
> > a bit confused right now..
>
> Well, maybe I'm wrong about the viability of this project.  If
> Stefan Peichl's initial attempt comes so near to satisfying an
> intelligent and perceptive user like Martin Bergvill,

Thanks for calling me intelligent. But I have my ups and downs. I have
just scanned the messages on this list lately and not having the time
to read them in detail. Then I downloaded and tested PalmLx and missed
Stefan's "now the only thing that is missing is that it works" comment.

> maybe the
> real key is not to get more hardware but to lower our
> expectations.

What I ment when I said "..I find it interesting.." was that I found
the whole idea of  a Palm _emulator_ a interesting idea. I was not
aware that the first step was to "just" have a visual of how it
would look like.

> Stefan, have you considered adding an animation when the program
> starts that shows the cover being lifted.  And perhaps one when
> the program terminates showing the cover going back over the
> screen.  And, for enhanced realism, what about a few new screen
> scratches every week and a crack in the screen after a few
> months?

I guess this is sarcasm. Are you having fun on my behalf or Stefan's?

Barry a lot of things are lost when we only communicate by ascii. Also
a lot of things are lost because we have to communcicate in english
which is not my main language. But I can not help myself getting a
little bit upset by your reply..should I be?

Stefan keep up the work. I am looking forward to seeing a working
version of PalmLx.

Regards

--
Martin Bergvill ,Narvik Norway

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Date:         Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:41:05 -0600
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To: "'HPLX Mailing List'" <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>; "'Barry'"
<barry@FBTC.NET>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: ANN: PalmLX V1.0


> Barry,
>
> Your sarcasm is not appreciated. Unless you have something
useful to add to
> Stefan's efforts, perhaps you should keep quite and not waste
our time.

I didn't really see what I did as sarcasm.  Stefan's posting was
clever humor.  I'm fairly sure he didn't intend the PalmLX
simulator as a serious product.  If he did, he needs more help
than I can give him.  :)

I went along with his joke.  I saw Martin's reaction and,
knowing from his previous posts that Martin is a pretty sharp
guy, I made a little fun of him.  I also recieved a post from
him asking if I meant it in a mean way.  I didn't.

No, I don't think this emulator will happen.  But I'm all for
talking about it.  Some good ideas for a real project might come
out of it.  for example if we do a series of readers for Palm
formats, this discussion has everyone thinking about the
differences in the two devices.

I keep getting posts telling me to stop trying to kill the idea.
I'm not trying to kill it.  I'm enjoying the discussion and I
think it might eventually prove useful.  I'm sorry if I seem to
be trying to dampen everyone's spirits.  I wish I wasn't seen
that way.

Domingo tells me I should use more smileys to protect myself
from those who take me too seriously.  Maybe I should.  Maybe
I'll have to.  But it will sure take the fun out of it.

Barry

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Bergvill" <martin@mobilpost.com>
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<barry@FBTC.NET>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: ANN: PalmLX V1.0


> I guess this is sarcasm. Are you having fun on my behalf or
Stefan's?
>
> Barry a lot of things are lost when we only communicate by
ascii. Also
> a lot of things are lost because we have to communcicate in
english
> which is not my main language. But I can not help myself
getting a
> little bit upset by your reply..should I be?

I intended it as humor, not sarcasm.  I'm sorry it wasn't taken
that way.  And you're not the only one to think I was being
sarcastic.

As for having fun, I was making fun of your reaction to Stefan's
joke.  It wasn't intended to be hurtful or mean.  Appearantly
that's how it came across.  I'm sorry.  That wasn't my
intention.

I thought Stefan's joke was funny.  I thought that you're seeing
it as a real product was funny.  If you had been some dummy who
always gets things wrong, it wouldn't have been funny at all.
But you're not so it was unexpected and unexpected is often
humorous.

I do disagree that communication is strained in ascii.  We use
words to communicate.  So did Shakespeare.

Language might present some problems that I don't see because
everyone on this list really seems pretty literate.

I'm not quite sure what's going on.  I've been on this group and
before that on HPHAND for many years, using this same brand of
humor.  The few comments I received about it over the years were
mostly compliments.  I'm also on 2 other listserves and
regularly read several newsgroups.  I do the same thing on them.
I talk this way to my friends and family.

Every now and then somebody takes something seriously that I
didn't intend seriously and I have to explain.  Or, occasionaly
I don't get a chance to explain.  But that's fairly rare.

Now, all of a sudden, just on this list, it's becomming an
ongoing problem.  I don't understand why.  But I don't want to
be a troublemaner so I guess it's something I'll have to find a
way to deal with.

Barry

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Date:         Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:54:55 -0500
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:59:28 -0600, Barry wrote:

> Now, all of a sudden, just on this list, it's becomming an
> ongoing problem.  I don't understand why.  But I don't want to
> be a troublemaner so I guess it's something I'll have to find a
> way to deal with.
>
> Barry

This has been resolved in private mail..friends again :-)

Regards

--
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Date:         Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:00:32 +1300
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I had to share this site:

http://pg1.yahoo.com/raw?

I just found it via "Plinkit" which is at:

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~blumax/plinkit

This Plinkit site has heaps of HV-friendly links!

In the raw yahoo menu I've checked out news (heaps of it - in 11
categories), weather (even found Wellington New Zealand - all on HV!!)
Also finance works well, and there is a separate sports section (apart
from within news) - and there I found the latest loacl rugby results.
Mail and Movies seem to get directed to regular full blown yahoo.

I'm sure the weather could be autmatically accessed for a region/city -
ROBOT/LX could make up the url and GET.EXE could get it.

Quotes as well. Gee, could almost re-create the old compuserve ascii
stuff!!!!

Tony

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Date:         Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:34:51 -0800
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              Larry Mittell <lmittel@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
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Martin, sad to relate, but it's truly a problem and endemic to email
communication. I've been excoriated more than once for innocent expressions
of humor, when said expressions lack those abominable smileys (smilies?).
It's difficult to understand how even intelligent, rational folks can be
entertained by the written word when it's on paper, but enraged by it when
reading precisely the same words from a phosphor screen.

I've thrown in the towel. Nothing I can do will change the facts, so I now
sprinkle liberal amounts of emoticons in my messages, in exactly the same
way a military aircraft throws radar chaff to the winds while over enemy
territory. I will never understand it, but I've come to accept it.

Larry Mittell

P.S.-- I hasten to add :) :) :), and for good measure <GGGG>.

At 03:59 PM 3/16/01, Martin Bergvill wrote:

>I intended it as humor, not sarcasm.  I'm sorry it wasn't taken
>that way.  And you're not the only one to think I was being
>sarcastic.
>
>As for having fun, I was making fun of your reaction to Stefan's
>joke.  It wasn't intended to be hurtful or mean.  Appearantly
>that's how it came across.  I'm sorry.  That wasn't my
>intention.
>
>I thought Stefan's joke was funny.  I thought that you're seeing
>it as a real product was funny.  If you had been some dummy who
>always gets things wrong, it wouldn't have been funny at all.
>But you're not so it was unexpected and unexpected is often
>humorous.
>
>I do disagree that communication is strained in ascii.  We use
>words to communicate.  So did Shakespeare.
>
>Language might present some problems that I don't see because
>everyone on this list really seems pretty literate.
>
>I'm not quite sure what's going on.  I've been on this group and
>before that on HPHAND for many years, using this same brand of
>humor.  The few comments I received about it over the years were
>mostly compliments.  I'm also on 2 other listserves and
>regularly read several newsgroups.  I do the same thing on them.
>I talk this way to my friends and family.
>
>Every now and then somebody takes something seriously that I
>didn't intend seriously and I have to explain.  Or, occasionaly
>I don't get a chance to explain.  But that's fairly rare.
>
>Now, all of a sudden, just on this list, it's becomming an
>ongoing problem.  I don't understand why.  But I don't want to
>be a troublemaner so I guess it's something I'll have to find a
>way to deal with.

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Date:         Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:05:50 -0500
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> You might want to incorporate my new touch sensitive LX screen
> driver to give a heightened sense of realism.

Does it also make the screen shiny and hard to read in sunlight like a =
real
touch screen? <g>

 Steven A. Carder M.D. <steve@carderfamily.net>
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Date:         Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:35:52 +0000
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Ok, ich habe euch ein Ei auf die Schiene genagelt :-)
(German proverb: I nailed you an egg on the rail).
Some fun must be allowed!

BUT: wasn't screen size and look and feel a major concern?
I contributed to this aspect.

BTW the *.prc files are just 160x160 icon files. Copy *.prc
to *.icn and use LXPIC to view them. Then you may also zoom
and see how they would look like with pixels doubled.

Do you remember my email asking for Palm screenshots?
I didn't receive a single one! At that point I was a little
annoyed and thought, ok, if you are not ready to help me at
that low level of the project, I cannot expect any help if it's
getting more difficult. And as a sweet little revenge I decided
to make you believe that I don't need your help to come up with
a working prototype.

I learned one lesson from the last days: A group project will
not happen. I didn't believe in a group project anyway, because
I cannot imagine how it should work to develop a software
across continents.

I cannot imagine myself being part of a group project.
Software development the way we do it, can also be a kind
of art, and nobody would have the idea to work on a painting
as a group of artists.

That means to me, if I want to continue with PalmLX, I have
(and want) to do it by myself. With all the valuable
information of the list about what is already available,
I still estimate an effort of about 1000 hours of work.

The result will be unpredictable and possibly comparable
to the effort of making JPEG available on the palmtop:

It might work and be useful for a subset of applications with
a decreasing tendency as time goes on.

Now the economical part: 1000 hours of work on a freeware
(it cannot be anything else) means a lack of income for myself
of 1000 hours. Potential number of users will be probably 100.
Price for a used Palm is ~$50. If I buy a used Palm for every
potential user, it costs me only $5000, but if I program an
emulator I loose a multiple of this sum. Indeed I won't buy a
Palm for everybody, I'm not crazy, but I want to make clear
once more, that freeware is nothing without value because you
don't have to pay for it. The author often "payed" for it
instead, indeed by his own free will.

Anyway, PalmLX is not useless, or did any of you expect a
Palm-GUI a week ago? It inludes some tricky programming
and from your overwhelming reaction I think I hit the nail.

And it is true, that only the function prc() needs to be
written, to make it a complete emulator. In my code, prc()
just displays an ICN file using INT5F.

Instead of only being fake I can think of a small and realistic
software with exactly the same appearance as PalmLX:

Keys hit within PalmLX are sent through the IR port to the
Palm. On the Palm is a TSR running, which passes the key to
the running application and ACKs it by sending back a bitmap of
the actual screen, which is received and displayed by PalmLX.

With a 115200 baud connection, you may reveive 3 screenshots
(3200 bytes bitmap each) in one second. Enough for medium type
speed. If the Palm uses IrDA, I recommend to bypass it and use
single character I/O instead. This removes the complex task of
implementing an IrDA software stack on the HP.

This would be an IR keyboard and IR screen for the Palm.
Could be even used for Palms with broken screen. It requires
programming experience on both platforms, but AFAIK we have
that on this list (Barry?)

However I'm not yet interested in such a program, because
I own no Palm. It is just a feasible and small replacement
project based on PalmLX.

Thanks for your positive and not so positive reactions about
PalmLX. And many thanks for the confidence of some of you in
my programming skills assuming I could write a Palm emulator
in 2 KB in 2 days. That honestly really touched me! I regret
having abused your confidence.

I also hope I didn't hurt anybody. And please stop flame wars
on behalf of my announcement.

Stefan

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Date:         Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:19:47 -0600
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Domingo" <dvm123@gmx.co.uk>
To: "HPLX Mailing List" <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>; "Barry"
<barry@FBTC.NET>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Re: ANN: PalmLX V1.0


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry" <barry@FBTC.NET>
> To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: ANN: PalmLX V1.0
>
>
> > LARRY FELDMAN wrote:
> > > Reality check.   DOC is the ONLY open Palm
> > > format.  All the rest are proprietary (copyrighted).
> > > People could seek permission I suppose, but the
> > > copyright holders still have a financial interest in
> > > their formats, and are not likely to release code.
>
> Just for the record, I wrote the above.

Sorry I miss-attributed it.

> Wonderful news!  Stephan is working on an emulator and Barry
> is working on a reader program!  :o)
> Seriously, you are the only profesional programmer who has
> commented on this point so far, AFAIK, so that qualifies you
> to do the job.  :-)    :-)

I would but I'm retired. :)

Seriously I'm not really looking for prorgramming projects.
I've all but stopped programming.  But I wouldn't mind helping
out.  If this does turn into a real project I'll do some of it.

> As far as the programming part, iSilo format supports
> graphics, HTML, links and bookmarks, plus a much tighter
> compression than the DOC format affords.  Tealdoc also
> supports graphics, though it appears not to be much different
> than the standard DOC format.  My point?   How are you going
> to render files with formating, fonts and graphics intended
> for the Palm screen in the hplx screen, unless you emulate
> that screen size?

That might occasionaly be a problem but I don't think it will be
in most cases.  First, Tealdoc, if I'm not mistaken, allows doc
files to have links to graphic files stored by TealPaint.  I
don't think that's a commonly used feature yet.  It's still
fairly new and using it probably makes the doc file unreadable o
r at least text only in other doc readers.  But if we do a Doc
reader we could also have a TealPaint reader and honor those
links.  Or use some other mechanism.

As for fonts, etc, that can be done as easily on the 200lx as on
the Palm.  In a free format like the doc format it won't matter
if more text is shown on the 200lx than on the Palm.  The entire
200lx screen could be used to show about 5 times as much as the
Palm would.

This would be more problematical with something like a word
processor where you have margin to deal with but there is a lot
of extra screen horizontaly to play with if you make the text
look natural size on the LX and since word processors scroll it
won't matter if there's less length per page.

The kind of problem an emulator would have with tightly
formatted screens wouldn't have to be dealt with in a doc
reader.

Programs like TealInfo will present formatting difficulties but
since they only have to be easily readabile on the 200lx, and
not look just like they do on the Palm, that isn't so bad
either.

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Date:         Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:06:50 -0500
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Hello Tony,

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thanks for sharing this, it is an excellent site.

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Date:         Sat, 17 Mar 2001 09:10:25 -0600
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Domingo wrote:
>There is another specialized reader by Teal,
> whose name escapes at the moment (I didn't
> like it, so I don't use it). That one has a
> significant number of free and commercial files
> writen for it, but again, it supports graphics,
> tables and formatting.  How are you going to
> display that in the hplx? I just remember, it's Tealinfo.

TealInfo is kind of a strange animal.  I'm not sure anything
quite like it exists on other platforms.  At least I'm not aware
of anything like it.

I own TealInfo but I've never taken the time to study it's
layout language.  It's complex and you really have to have a
fair overview of it before it's much use.  I bought it thinking
it was just a simple flat file database program.

Because it has so many formatting options I think writing a
conversion program for it will be a challange.  And since there
is so much structure in it's output and it's so tailored to fit
the 160x160 screen, I think the best approach might be to let
the person doing the conversion manually adjust the layout to
fit the LX screen.  Just give tools to move things around a
little.  But that needs some study.  Automatic adjustement of
the layout might be made to work.

Another approach might be to convert TealInfo data to LX
database format.  That might be pretty difficult and I don't
think it could work in all cases.  TealInfo allows more and more
flexibile formatting than the LX database.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Mittell" <lmittel@attglobal.net>
To: "HPLX Mailing List" <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>; "Barry"
<barry@FBTC.NET>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 9:34 PM
Subject: Fluff: Emoticons (Re: ANN: PalmLX V1.0)


> Martin, sad to relate, but it's truly a problem and endemic to
email
> communication. I've been excoriated more than once for
innocent expressions
> of humor, when said expressions lack those abominable smileys
(smilies?).
> It's difficult to understand how even intelligent, rational
folks can be
> entertained by the written word when it's on paper, but
enraged by it when
> reading precisely the same words from a phosphor screen.
>
> I've thrown in the towel. Nothing I can do will change the
facts, so I now
> sprinkle liberal amounts of emoticons in my messages, in
exactly the same
> way a military aircraft throws radar chaff to the winds while
over enemy
> territory. I will never understand it, but I've come to accept
it.

I guess I'm going to have to do the same thing.  But it's
especially puzzling because I've never had a problem with this
before.  Oh well.

I wonder if it would help to just announce here and now that I'm
never to be taken seriously.  Well, that might cause other
problems.  :)

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Date:         Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:30:33 +0100
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              Tamas Feher <etomcat@FREEMAIL.HU>
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Hello all,

What do you think of "WorkPad/LX" as a name for the emulator?
Workpad is the licence made PalmPilot, manufactured and
marketed by IBM.

Sincerely: Tamas Feher.

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Also sprach Barry:
> I wonder if it would help to just announce here and now that I'm
> never to be taken seriously.

Do you really mean that, or are you joking?

- Joe

















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Date:    Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:33:45 EST
From:    LARRY FELDMAN <lfeldman@USA.NET>
Subject: Re: ANN: PalmLX V1.0

> Sorry, but I did **NOT** write what was attributed
> to me below. As a matter of fact, I agree with you!

That was pointed out in another post and I sent an apology
yesterday for mis-attributing and I left too much in it and it
got rejected by the server.  I've since trimmed and resent it
and you should have it today.

Again, I apologize for screwing up the attribution.

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Date:         Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:42:43 +0100
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              Jacques Belin <jbelin@ALTERN.ORG>
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Le Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:25:11 +0100
Stefan Peichl <Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE> a =E9crit:

> After some heavy programming I'm glad to announce PalmLX V1.0,
> the first Palm simulator for the HP200LX.=20

As you are discussing about PALM emulators, read about the text I just
read from the "Risks" mailing list...

(Will PalmLX be more secure than PALM ? <g>)

-------=20

At http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-202-5005917-0.html:

Passwords don't protect Palm data, security firm warns
By Robert Lemos
Special to CNET News.com
March 2, 2001, 11:45 a.m. PT
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-201-5005917-0.html?tag=3Dprntfr


People who rely on passwords to keep strangers from poking through the
data stored on their Palms actually have no protection at all, a network
security company warns.

In an alert posted Thursday, @Stake pointed to a back door in the Palm
operating system that allows anyone with developer tools to access data
on handhelds that have been "locked" with a password.

If someone finds or steals a Palm, the owner's data is basically an open
book. And the theft of mobile devices for their data is becoming more
common.

"This is the nail in the coffin of the notion that the Palm has any
security for your data," said Chris Wysopal, director of research and
development for Cambridge, Mass.-based @Stake.

"Any attacker with a laptop and a serial (syncing) cable is pretty much
able to access everything on the device," he said.

Handspring's Visor handhelds and Sony's Clie use the Palm OS.

Palm representatives would not immediately comment on the advisory.

The security flaw is actually in the OS for a reason. Palm software
engineers and many of its application developers use the back door to
debug applications running on the handheld. Many of them do not consider
it to be a security issue, Wysopal said.

However, few people who use the devices realize that using a password
will keep only the casually curious from looking at their data.

For that reason, @Stake said, it released the warning.

"It's equivalent to adding a password to your PC's screensaver. "There's
no true security in that," said Wysopal, who is known in the security
community by his hacker handle, Weld Pond.

Last September, @Stake discovered that the encrypted password used by
Palm OS to protect so-called private records from prying eyes could
easily be broken. With the discovery of the latest back door, it would
seem that no data is safe.

With a laptop loaded with developer tools and a sync cable, anyone who
obtains access to a handheld can access the owner's data, add or delete
applications, and format the memory card.

Even Palm handhelds protected by encryption software could be
compromised by using the back door to load a program to record all
passwords as they are entered.

Wysopal warned that weak Palm security could lead to other compromises
as well.

"You have corporate administrators keeping their company's critical
passwords on their Palm because they think it is secure," he said.

The back door affects all current versions of the Palm OS, Wysopal said.
Palm OS 4.0, due later this year, is expected to correct the problem.

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Date:         Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:53:16 -0700
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              "Robert K. Meyer" <bmeyer@UNION-TEL.COM>
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> That means to me, if I want to continue with PalmLX, I have
> (and want) to do it by myself. With all the valuable
> information of the list about what is already available,
> I still estimate an effort of about 1000 hours of work.

I don't have it anymore, but the next generation Mac OS before
Multifinder was released was written by the guy who wrote MacPaint, Andy
Hertzfelt or something like that. His OS, ran off a single 720K floppy,
had diagnostics, was multitasking, or at least could run several
programs at once and ran in 512K memory. My 8MHz Mac played CD quality
(44KHz sampling) audio (mono) long before CDROM's were out. Then because
of disagreements and corporate thinking, we ended up

Haven't really programmed in years, but I remember that one man shows
just kind of fall in place.

Your emulator is slick, graphics are nice.

Personally, having the LX and having tons of software to do most any
reasonable task, I'm not much interested in the Palm stuff expect
perhaps some sort of mp3 player.

I'm not interested in crippled computers. I am waiting for something
equivalent to my 800CT in the size the LX running of two AA's. HP used
to do those kinds of things. Those are multi-people projects.

Bob
--
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Date:         Sat, 17 Mar 2001 12:53:00 -0700
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Hi there---have a deal for you--I am missing disc 2.    Sooooo--how about
making an exchange with me---a copy of your disc 2 for a copy of my disc 3?
Sure has been frustrating to have misplaced my disc 2.   Let me know if you
can oblige
Paul Nault
2700 Farmington Ave
Farmington, NM 87401

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Date:         Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:30:51 +0100
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Howdy!

My good friend Trygve Henriksen has written applications both for the Psion =
Series 3x and the newer EPOC machines to read Palm Pilot Mobile db files. =
He says the format is quite simple. He sent an e-mail to the Mobile db =
people and they gave him the information of the file format with no strings =
attached. As for reading TomeRaider format, the TomeRaider people can be =
contacted at <support@tomeraider.com>.

Trygve tells me there used to be a Palm Pilot emulator for DOS. It needed a =
fast 486 or a Pentium. Apparently, after Palm took over the emulator and =
moved it to their own site, the DOS version disappeared. I suggest you guys =
ask on one of the Palm groups if someone still has a copy.

Owen
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Date:         Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:10:22 +0000
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dansedelux wrote:
> Hi there---have a deal for you--I am missing disc 2.    Sooooo--how about
> making an exchange with me---a copy of your disc 2 for a copy of my disc 3?
> Sure has been frustrating to have misplaced my disc 2.   Let me know if you
> can oblige
> Paul Nault
> 2700 Farmington Ave
> Farmington, NM 87401

Paul, be aware there at least 2 (that I know of) versions of the
CPack software.  I don't know if files can be mixed between
them.  I'll append dir listings below of the disks from the 2
sets I have.

Cheers... Russ

Older disks
----------------------------------------
 Volume in drive A is HP INTL-C1
 Directory of A:\

APPS     ARJ    391665 08-29-94   9:03a
DEARJ    EXE     59686 05-04-94   4:53p
INSDISK  RI       1022 06-08-94   3:07p
INSDSK_F RI       1024 06-08-94   2:16p
INSDSK_G RI       1024 06-08-94   2:13p
INSDSK_S RI       1024 06-08-94   2:17p
INSTALL  EXE    156980 06-20-94   3:18p
INSTEXT  RI      29528 06-30-94   3:50p
INSTXT_F RI      30781 08-08-94   3:22p
INSTXT_G RI      33359 08-08-94   3:24p
INSTXT_S RI      32251 08-08-94   3:25p
RES_FR   ARJ    111984 08-29-94   9:05a
RES_GR   ARJ    114867 08-29-94   9:05a
RES_SP   ARJ    107867 08-29-94   9:04a
RES_US   ARJ     96030 08-29-94   9:04a
       15 file(s)    1169092 bytes
                      286208 bytes free
----------------------------------------
 Volume in drive A is HP INTL-C2
 Directory of A:\

APPSTUFF ARJ    462239 08-29-94   9:04a
LLRA_FR  ARJ     58121 08-29-94   9:06a
LLRA_GR  ARJ     58312 08-29-94   9:06a
LLRA_SP  ARJ     57907 08-29-94   9:06a
LLRA_US  ARJ     58019 08-29-94   9:06a
MISC_FR  ARJ     28433 08-29-94   9:06a
MISC_GR  ARJ     27819 08-29-94   9:06a
MISC_SP  ARJ     27577 08-29-94   9:05a
MISC_US  ARJ     55849 08-29-94   9:05a
WNSETALL ARJ    193213 08-29-94   9:08a
       10 file(s)    1027489 bytes
                      427520 bytes free
----------------------------------------
 Volume in drive A is HP INTL-C3
 Directory of A:\

WNSET_FR ARJ    273918 08-29-94   9:08a
WNSET_GR ARJ    277082 08-29-94   9:08a
WNSET_SP ARJ    272911 08-29-94   9:07a
WNSET_US ARJ    256438 08-29-94   9:06a
        4 file(s)    1080349 bytes
                      376320 bytes free
----------------------------------------



Newer CPACK diskettes
----------------------------------------
 Volume in drive A has no label
 Directory of A:\

INSDISK  RI       1022 06-08-94   3:07p
INSDSK_S RI       1024 06-08-94   2:17p
INSDSK_F RI       1024 06-08-94   2:16p
INSDSK_G RI       1024 06-08-94   2:13p
DEARJ    EXE     59686 05-04-94   4:53p
INSTALL  EXE    156980 06-20-94   3:18p
INSTEXT  RI      29528 06-30-94   3:50p
INSTXT_S RI      32251 08-08-94   3:25p
INSTXT_F RI      30781 08-08-94   3:22p
INSTXT_G RI      33359 08-08-94   3:24p
APPS     ARJ    391665 01-17-95   6:18p
RES_US   ARJ     96030 01-17-95   6:19p
RES_SP   ARJ    107868 01-17-95   6:19p
RES_FR   ARJ    111985 01-17-95   6:19p
RES_GR   ARJ    114868 01-17-95   6:20p
       15 file(s)    1169095 bytes
                      286208 bytes free
----------------------------------------
 Volume in drive A has no label
 Directory of A:\

APPSTUFF ARJ    463934 01-17-95   6:19p
MISC_SP  ARJ     27577 01-17-95   6:20p
MISC_US  ARJ     55849 01-17-95   6:20p
MISC_GR  ARJ     27819 01-17-95   6:20p
MISC_FR  ARJ     28433 01-17-95   6:20p
LLRA_US  ARJ     58019 01-17-95   6:20p
LLRA_SP  ARJ     57907 01-17-95   6:20p
LLRA_FR  ARJ     58121 01-17-95   6:20p
LLRA_GR  ARJ     58312 01-17-95   6:20p
WNSETALL ARJ    193213 01-17-95   6:22p
       10 file(s)    1029184 bytes
                      425472 bytes free
----------------------------------------
 Volume in drive A has no label
 Directory of A:\

WNSET_US ARJ    256440 01-17-95   6:21p
WNSET_SP ARJ    272918 01-17-95   6:21p
WNSET_FR ARJ    273924 01-17-95   6:22p
WNSET_GR ARJ    277091 01-17-95   6:22p
        4 file(s)    1080373 bytes
                      375808 bytes free
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Date:         Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:17:56 -0600
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> Date:    Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:05:50 -0500
> From:    Steve Carder <steve@CARDERFAMILY.NET>
> Subject: Re: ANN: PalmLX V1.0 (how ÝFluff¨y can you get)
>
> > You might want to incorporate my new touch sensitive LX
screen
> > driver to give a heightened sense of realism.
>
> Does it also make the screen shiny and hard to read in
sunlight like a =
> real
> touch screen? <g>

Not yet.  I'm still working on that feature.  :)

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Date:         Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:34:45 -0600
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> Date:    Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:35:52 +0000
> From:    Stefan Peichl <Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE>
> Subject: PalmLX clearing up
>
> Do you remember my email asking for Palm screenshots?
> I didn't receive a single one! At that point I was a little
> annoyed and thought, ok, if you are not ready to help me at
> that low level of the project, I cannot expect any help if
it's
> getting more difficult. And as a sweet little revenge I
decided
> to make you believe that I don't need your help to come up
with
> a working prototype.

Several of us sent you the url of PalmGearHQ, where you can
quickly get all the screenshots you want.

> I learned one lesson from the last days: A group project will
> not happen. I didn't believe in a group project anyway,
because
> I cannot imagine how it should work to develop a software
> across continents.
>
> I cannot imagine myself being part of a group project.
> Software development the way we do it, can also be a kind
> of art, and nobody would have the idea to work on a painting
> as a group of artists.

Keep in mind that PAL was a group project.  It was done by a
group of people on HPHAND.  The project was broken up into
modules and various programmers did those modules.  This was all
coordinated and a lot of the programming was done by Gillis
Kohl.

> Anyway, PalmLX is not useless, or did any of you expect a
> Palm-GUI a week ago? It inludes some tricky programming
> and from your overwhelming reaction I think I hit the nail.
>
> And it is true, that only the function prc() needs to be
> written, to make it a complete emulator. In my code, prc()
> just displays an ICN file using INT5F.

Well, maybe I did misunderstand you.  I've been getting all
kinds of mail because I treated your product announcement as a
joke.  I thought you were joking.

While I have no doubt that a Palm emulator can be written for
the LX, I have serious doubts that a useful one could be
written.  I thought that you had intentionally written a useless
program and announced it as the new PalmLX emulator.  I thought
that was a very clever joke. Now I'm not so sure.

I have only minimal Palm programming experience, and that only
in Forth with minimal use of the Palm API.  I've never been much
of an API programmer.  I learned to program long before APIs
were invented and by the time there were such things as APIs I
was doing systems programming on non-Gui systems.  I've also
done no IR programming.

If you're seriously thinking of a project to make the LX into a
Palm keyboard, first be aware that there are already several
very good Palm keyboards available now and that each of them has
a somewhat different software interface and a lot of Palm
programs have been made to work with one or more of these
keyboards.

I have a keyboard for my Palm, also.  I think I've used it once
in the year and a half that I've had it, just to try it out.
Keyboards kind of defeat the purpose of the Palm.

For entering large amounts of data, that's much easier to do on
a PC and then synch onto the Palm.  All that capability comes
with the Palm right out of the box for the built in applications
and more and more third party applications are also providing
that ability.  They have a desktop component and a Palm
component.  Thats becoming pretty common.

So what would the purpose be in an infrared LX keyboard for the
Palm?

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Date:         Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:57:08 +0100
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              Josef Meyer <meyerj@SWISSONLINE.CH>
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Subject:      Bug in FTPS.EXE with WWW/LX?
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By playing around with the FTP server program (ftps.exe) with WWW/LX
3.1, I found the strange behaviour that ftps seems to truncate files
during "put" from a client to the LX as server to muliples of 512
bytes.


I tried FTPS.EXE (file dated 2000-04-19) that way:

I used a Socket LP+E CF Ethernet adapter to connect to our company's
network.

I used LXCIC (permanently loaded) as card enabler.

In a separate SC section I started the PPP driver with "LXEN2216 0x66".

After this I started WWWLX V3.1, giving me the DOS prompt, using the
following configuration part in www.cfg (I believe many parameters are
irrelevant):
-------------------
ÝEAS_Ether¨
Port=1
OmniGo=0
PPP=1
Modem=1
Baud=38400
Ether=1
Peer_IP=164.48.251.129
; gladiolo
My_IP=164.48.251.249
DNS_IP=164.48.174.11
DNS2_IP=164.48.182.12
Script=EAS_Script
Login=easmej
ModemInit=ATZ
Dial=ATDT3651
Password=(encrypted)
-------------------

At last I launched FTPS with the following ftps.cfg:
-------------------
; user anonymous
Ýftp¨
Dir=c:\test

;user meyerj
Ýmeyerj¨
Pass=test
Dir=c:\
Drives=ACDacd
-------------------

Then I fetched the file www.cfg (7688 bytes) from the LX to a PC with
WinNT as client (ftp -> get www.cfg in a DOS window). This transfer was
o.k.

Next I transferred back the file www.cfg to a different directory in
the LX (put www.cfg), after that the length of the file www.cfg on the
LX was reduced to 7680 bytes!

As a next step I made the same procedure again, but using a SUN Solaris
system as ftp client (Solaris 5.5): Same result: only 7680 bytes on the
LX!

Result: 'get' from FTPS o.k., but 'put' is losing last bytes exceeding
a multiple of 512 bytes, regardless if 'bin' or 'ascii' transfer.

Has someone else encountered the same problem? Is it a bug of FTPS.EXE
or could something be wrong with my configuration).

I reported this item twice to D&A, but I got no answer, therefore I
turn with this question to the list.

Best Regards / Josef Meyer

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Date:         Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:28:13 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
> Date:    Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:35:52 +0000
> From:    Stefan Peichl <Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE>
> Subject: PalmLX clearing up
>
> Do you remember my email asking for Palm screenshots?
> I didn't receive a single one! At that point I was a little
> annoyed and thought, ok, if you are not ready to help me at
> that low level of the project, I cannot expect any help if
> it's getting more difficult. And as a sweet little revenge I
> decided to make you believe that I don't need your help to
come up
> with a working prototype.

If there is anything this thread did, is make the list more
focused and on topic.
Oh well, back to your regularly scheduled fluff programming  .
.  .

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Date:         Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:55:59 +0100
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Barry,

thank you for the excellent explanantion about key stuffer internals.

I continued to experiment with the StuffKey and StuffString function of
LX-Batch for a while, but am about to give up the idea to control a
built-in application through LX-Batch. Just for the matter of
completeness, if somebody follows this thread, I like to add here why:

While it is possible to fill the keyboard buffer with keys to be
executed (up to the length of the buffer), the main point seems to be
_when_ these keys are executed. For example, if an LXB file has a few
Stuffkey function calls (to switch to and open a specific database),
followed by a simple LXB Message function call, the message shortly pops
up _before_ one sees the keys in the keyboard buffer executed.

This makes me to beleave that the more important question is _when_ the
keys are actually pulled off the buffer and executed. Anyhow, this
(asynchronious?) behaviour cannot be used reliable in an LX-Batch batch
file.

However, if someone goes further, I am interested.

Norbert

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Date:         Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:34:21 -0500
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Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:28:41 -0500 (EST)

Hi I have run FTPS at work. I haven't seen the behavior you describe,
but I can't remember if I used the PUT command, only GET. I'll try
tomorrow. I'm curious that you are successfully using a CF ehternet
card. I have a PreTec CF MODEM, I wonder if it would work in the LX as
well?

Cheers...AJKind

04h31m33s ago ...
On Sun, 18 Mar 2001, Josef Meyer wrote:

> By playing around with the FTP server program (ftps.exe) with WWW/LX
> 3.1, I found the strange behaviour that ftps seems to truncate files
> during "put" from a client to the LX as server to muliples of 512
> bytes.
>
> I tried FTPS.EXE (file dated 2000-04-19) that way:
>
> I used a Socket LP+E CF Ethernet adapter to connect to our company's
> network...
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The searchable archives of the HPLX list, and the LX-Mapblast
site will be going offline sometime in the next few days. My ISP
has decided to sell it's users "down the river" to Earthlink. EL
can not provide the connectivity I need, so I have been
scrambling to find a new ISP. Global Crossing, the company that
owns my current ISP, gave me a weeks notice that my account
would be "transitioned". I guess being a loyal customer for 6
1/2 years doesn't count for much.

If all goes to plan, the site will be unavailable for about an
hour. Of course, nothing goes to plan, so expect anything
between an hour and who knows.

Regards,
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Date:         Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:27:20 +0200
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Subject:      Re: PalmLX clearing up

Stefan Peichl writes:
> Instead of only being fake I can think of a small and realistic
> software with exactly the same appearance as PalmLX:
>
> Keys hit within PalmLX are sent through the IR port to the
> Palm. On the Palm is a TSR running, which passes the key to
> the running application and ACKs it by sending back a bitmap of
> the actual screen, which is received and displayed by PalmLX.
>
> With a 115200 baud connection, you may reveive 3 screenshots
> (3200 bytes bitmap each) in one second. Enough for medium type
> speed. If the Palm uses IrDA, I recommend to bypass it and use
> single character I/O instead. This removes the complex task of
> implementing an IrDA software stack on the HP.
>
> This would be an IR keyboard and IR screen for the Palm.
> Could be even used for Palms with broken screen. It requires
> programming experience on both platforms, but AFAIK we have
> that on this list (Barry?)

There is a similar program just out from Mochasoft which lets you use a desktop
as keyboard and screen for a palm which sits in the cradle.

> However I'm not yet interested in such a program, because
> I own no Palm. It is just a feasible and small replacement
> project based on PalmLX.
>

I'm not interested really either, just dropping in my 0.02c in case anyone is. For a project in which you arent interested you are sure doing a lot of work!
This is why the projects in which you ARE intersted work so well.

Well done Stefan!


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Date:         Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:00:45 +0100
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 NETWORKING CAN BE HAZARDOUS
 The structure of the Internet makes it peculiarly prone to computer
viruses.
 http://www.nature.com/nsu/010315/010315-2.html

and ... want to join July 13th Superstition Bash which has become a popular
favorite across the world, providing an activity for all ages to enjoy and
participate in as well as an event that serves to champion science and
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the Failed Prediction Archives...everyone can participate, share their ideas
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Date:         Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:02:32 +0100
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              Nathalie Bugeaud <tps-seti@WANADOO.FR>
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dear Stefan - have you recovered from my nasty x-mas greeting?

 >Ok, ich habe euch ein Ei auf die Schiene genagelt :-)

...also (in good German): "verarscht" :) :) :)

 >Thanks for your positive and not so positive reactions about
 >PalmLX. And many thanks for the confidence of some of you in
 >my programming skills assuming I could write a Palm emulator
 >in 2 KB in 2 days. That honestly really touched me! I regret
 >having abused your confidence.

Stefan, the reason I wrote this was not really to congratulate
you on the achievement of writing this "emulator" in 2 days. I
have no idea what you have achieved :) ... all i know is, that
LXPIC is your creation and it works well on all my computers !

I have yet to download PALMLX to try it, because I have no pic
or doc yet from the PALM platform to look at. Does PALM-LX.ZIP
have any samples?

 >I also hope I didn't hurt anybody. And please stop flamewars
 >on behalf of my announcement.

Wow, Stefan - you would make a good husband ... sooo polite :)

I hope you like my right margin this time ... 63 ! with HRTs !

love,                                                 Nathalie

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Date:         Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:05:03 +0100
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              Tamas Feher <etomcat@FREEMAIL.HU>
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Hello all,

Here are my comments about this Palm emu turmoil:

Stefan Peichl wrote:
>Some fun must be allowed!

This sounds strange, as Stefan was one of the list "purists", who
insisted on reducing off-topic, etc. Yet, he did not put the Fluff: flag
into Subject line!

> BUT: wasn't screen size and look and feel a major concern?
> I contributed to this aspect.

Stefan I was grossly amazed by this sentence! It sounds just like
usual M$ public relations stuff!

> BTW the *.prc files are just 160x160 icon files. Copy *.prc
> to *.icn and use LXPIC to view them. Then you may also zoom
> and see how they would look like with pixels doubled.

For this paragraph I have a separate comment, which I will email to
you directly.

>Do you remember my email asking for Palm screenshots?
>I didn't receive a single one! At that point I was...

Well, I saw many people posting URLs here, where screenshots of
Pilot progs are available for self-serving by great dozens and it
won't even fill up your mailbox! So this is certainly not a point well
taken.

>I learned one lesson from the last days: A group project will
>not happen. I didn't believe in a group project anyway, because
>I cannot imagine how it should work to develop a software
>across continents.

Linux is being developed this way and even if not perfect, it works.
I do think that Linux history as a social phenomena was already
investigated from the scientific point of view, including issues of
dynamics of virtual workgroups, etc.

>I cannot imagine myself being part of a group project.
>Software development the way we do it, can also be a kind
>of art, and nobody would have the idea to work on a painting
>as a group of artists.

To the contrary. Most paintings were completed as a group project.
The master made the main figure and composition and finishing
bells and whistles were relegated to pupils most often. This is why
authorative decisions on the painter's identity are almost
impossible in so many cases in history of classical art.

>I still estimate an effort of about 1000 hours of work.

That seems to be an exaggeration even to me! Maybe true if you
include all the work up to say version 3.2, with performing lots of
small bugfixes and minor enhancement based on user feedback.

>Now the economical part: 1000 hours of work on a freeware
>(it cannot be anything else) means a lack of income for myself
>of 1000 hours.

Absolutely don't get it. Do you work from 2200 to 0400? That's the
right time for writing freeware!

>I regret having abused your confidence.
>I also hope I didn't hurt anybody. And please stop flame wars
>on behalf of my announcement.

I see the main problem here as stability of virtual communities.
They are hard to build and easy to destroy. Such incidents can
shorten the life expectancy of this list by as much as three
months. Someone introduced the idea of Palm emulation, it floated
around for some two weeks, than work seemingly started, finally a
beta-release and it turns out to be a hoax? Boy, we were taken for
jerks for sure!
We shall not loose our face, let's get away from here. If PalmPilot
is good enough to qualify for emulation on LX, it will be good
enough for us as a main platform; so let's abandon LXship. Sad?

(BTW: As a form of disclaimer, I shall mention that I do not own an
LX or other palmtop, my eyes are not good enough; so I am not
directly interested in the outcome of this turmoil. I just think the
way it went was not right.)

Sincerely: Tamas Feher.

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Date:         Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:04:13 +0100
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Mike,

> If all goes to plan, the site will be unavailable for about an
> hour. Of course, nothing goes to plan, so expect anything
> between an hour and who knows.

I cross my fingers for the plan.

Kind regards

Helmuth

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Date:         Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:54:21 +0000
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              Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE
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Barry wrote:

> Several of us sent you the url of PalmGearHQ...

yes indeed, and I'm sure it was well meant.

> ...where you can quickly get all the screenshots you want.

unfortunately that is not true. It was a nightmare to walk
through all these 159x162 or 158x158 screenshots with all sort
of colordepth, some in interlaced GIF, others as animated GIFs.
These are screenshots brushed up for good web appearance and
not for the purpose I wanted to use them. It took me quite some
time to convert them back to just simple 160x160 screen shots,
which I would have liked to receive from you.

> While I have no doubt that a Palm emulator can be written for
> the LX, I have serious doubts that a useful one could be
> written.

Let me again compare it to JPEG. I remember statements about
JPEG not being possible on the Palmtop because it would take
minutes to decode a picture. And only small JPEGs could be
decoded in 640 KB memory and then, what will be left from the
16 Mio. colors on a black and white screen?

What would you have said at that time, if I had announced a
15 KB JPEG viewer only using 64 KB of memory, decoding at
reasonable speed and dithering the 16 Mio. colors to useful
B&W representation?

You'd probably said something more drastic than (in analogy):

"If he intends LXPIC as a serious product,
 he needs more help than I can give him.  :)"

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Date:         Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:14:56 -0800
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              "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@BARRERA.ORG>
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Also sprach Stefan Peichl:
> Barry wrote:
>
> > Several of us sent you the url of PalmGearHQ...
>
> yes indeed, and I'm sure it was well meant.
>
> > ...where you can quickly get all the screenshots you want.
>
> unfortunately that is not true. It was a nightmare to walk
> through all these 159x162 or 158x158 screenshots with all sort
> of colordepth, some in interlaced GIF, others as animated GIFs.
> These are screenshots brushed up for good web appearance and
> not for the purpose I wanted to use them. It took me quite some
> time to convert them back to just simple 160x160 screen shots,
> which I would have liked to receive from you.

How were we supposed to know that the web screenshots weren't
sufficient if you didn't tell us? You're just sounding petulant now.

- Joe

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Date:         Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:09:12 -0500
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Many of us have seen this before, but it was just sent to me again and I
thought I would share it with the group:

JESUS and SATAN

Jesus and Satan were having an ongoing argument about who was better on his
computer. They had been going at it for days, and God was tired of hearing
all of the bickering.  Finally, God said, "That's enough. I'm going to set
up a test that will run two hours, and I'll be the judge of whom does the
better job."  So Satan and Jesus sat down at their keyboards and typed away.
They moused. Did spreadsheets. They wrote reports. They sent faxes. They
sent e-mail. They sent out e-mail with attachments. They downloaded. They
did some genealogy reports.  They made greeting cards. They did every known
job.  But ten minutes before their time was up, lightning suddenly flashed
across the sky, thunder rolled, the rain poured and, of course, the power
went off.

Satan stared at his blank screen and screamed every word known in the
Underworld. Jesus just sighed. The power finally flickered back on, and each
of them restarted their computers. Satan started searching frantically,
while screaming "It's gone! It's all gone! I lost everything when the power
went out!"  Meanwhile, Jesus quietly started printing out all of his files
from the past two hours. Satan, observing this, began screaming, "Wait! He
cheated! How did he do it?"

God smiled, shrugged and said, "Isn't it obvious?  Jesus saves!"

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Date:         Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:35:34 -0600
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Norbert Giese wrote:
> This makes me to beleave that the more
> important question is _when_ the keys are
> actually pulled off the buffer and executed.
> Anyhow, this (asynchronious?) behaviour
> cannot be used reliable in an LX-Batch batch
> file.

I once helped someone set up a batch file including a
keystuffing program years ago named stackey that allows delays.
I still have a copy of it and it's documentation file.  I just
looked and it also allows 128 characters, and that can be
increased.  It load a tsr and uses the timer and essentially
does what the program I wrote does and a lot more.  (I wish
other programmers would stop doing that to me.  :)

It also will produce all the special characters your keyboard
can produce.  It has repeats and a lot of other features.  I
don't know if this will help but it might.  It looks like
there's a bit of a learning curve to use all these features but
it's all documented.

If you want a copy of this send me a private email to
barryATfbtcDOTnet and I'll send it in the reply.  You know what
to do with the uppercase in the address, I'm sure.

I've never actually used this program myself so I don't know how
good it is, but it did help solve a problem for someone at work.

Barry

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Date:         Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:29:05 +0100
Reply-To:     Etienne Lemaire <stelem@attglobal.net>
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I am trying out Battlog and find it remarkable. However, a few
details nag me:

- Time reported is double the actual time used: I suppose this
is due to my DS unit. is there a fix for this?
-I can cut and paste the graph, but it always seem to cut the
first 6 hours, and no more. Is there something that escapes me?
-In Menu, Options, Measure Interval: I guess this is the time
interval at which the battery voltage is measured, but then:
 a)What does auto detect do?
  b)If I chose one minute, and the 48hr view, I get additional
horizontal guide lines; in the 6hr view, vertical guide lines.
- RS232 Power Off : how to make this work eludes me, but here I
guess I have too many programs interfering-lighton, filer, etc
TIA

Etienne

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Date:         Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:12:36 -0800
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              David Runge <david_runge@YAHOO.COM>
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Hi all,

I want to start using Quicken 2001 for Windows and
want a compatible Pocket Quicken to run on my HP200LX
(32mb doublespeed).  I'd like to enter transactions on
the palmtop and import them to Quicken 2001.  A search
of the archives and the web doesn't look promising.

Years ago I used the HP200LX's built-in Pocket Quicken
for DOS.  Then stopped using it when I switched to
running Managing Your Money version 12 on the
palmtop.

Any help would be very much appreciated,
David


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I believe that Pocket Quicken for DOS was available on disk
as an upgrade for the 95/100LX. Check the used software
sites like recycledsoftware.com. I seem to remember that
Thaddeus had it for sale as well.

I don't think it's feasible to extract functional ROM based
apps of the 200LX to disk, but I may be wrong.
Bob

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David Runge wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I want to start using Quicken 2001 for Windows and
> want a compatible Pocket Quicken to run on my HP200LX
> (32mb doublespeed).  I'd like to enter transactions on
> the palmtop and import them to Quicken 2001.  A search
> of the archives and the web doesn't look promising.
>
> Years ago I used the HP200LX's built-in Pocket Quicken
> for DOS.  Then stopped using it when I switched to
> running Managing Your Money version 12 on the
> palmtop.
>
> Any help would be very much appreciated,
> David
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Pocket Quicken stopped working with desktop Quicken many years ago.
After many
years of searching, exprerimenting, etc. I was never able to find a way
to get information
from Pocket Quicken to Quicken on the desktop.  Import and export in
Quicken or pocket
quicken would not work.  I was never able to find a utility that would
accomplish the
transfer.   Quicken used to have one...it is now history.

For the record I would also point out that pocket quicken was a good
program on the 200lx,
they basiscally gutted the program for the 680.  On the 200lx it gave
you transaction history,
on the version for the 680 it just gives you balances only.

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Hi Ken,

How about Nov 30, the day when HP officially ceased production of the 200LX back
in 1999? BTW, HP's support for the repairs and parts officially ends on Nov 30
this year. I wonder what they'll do with their excess stocks of spare parts?


Jimmy.
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Subject:    RE: Fluff: HP 200LX Day!
Author: n2vip@bellatlantic.net
Date:       2001/03/05 10:22 PM

Obviously, there should be a minor holiday on the 100th day of
the year (coming soon, right) to celebrate the 100LX, and the
ral party would be on the 200th day of the year. There will be
those that claim there should also be a holiday on the 95th day
of the year, to commemerate thier beloved 95LX, but their
numbers are small, and their date is so close to the 100th day
that they should simply either celebrate on the 100th day, or
upgrade. ;¬)

Ken

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Hi everyone,

<snip>

Just as these fans who still love ABBA's songs, I find my
palmtop still works
for me. So, I started thinking,  W H Y   D O N ' T  we declare
an HP 200LX Day?
I mean there's World Telecommunication Day, there's Earth Watch
Day, there's
ABBA Day, so what not an HP 200LX Day? Not a bad way to
commemorate this little
wonder and it's success, especially when it's still alive and
kicking today, I
think.

Many thoughts follow: What date should it be on? What do
supporters do? Where do
we meet? Should we meet at all or just flood each other with
well wishes? What
are the benefits? What will HP think? Is this a DUMB idea?

Any thoughts?



Best regards,

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Thanks to Barry for the Stackey utility. With it I have been
able to create an automated Goin' Postal batch file that
loads GP, waits 4 seconds and then dials for email. All I do
is turn my laptop on and the rest is executed vial
Autoexec.bat and the EM.bat file I created to launch GP:

@C:
@CD\UTIL
@STACKEY
@cd\EMAIL
@C:\UTIL\STACKEY F9W144
@call gp.bat

Stackey has a huge number of options, switches, etc. I will
dig through it to see if it can cycle every xxx minutes to
perform looped batch calls which would be cool for setting
up automated email retrieval on either the old laptop or on
the 200LX.
Bob

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Hi all,

Thanks for your replies to my earlier post about
Pocket Quicken.  Very helpful.  On a related topic...

Someone suggested I try Quicken for DOS v.8 in the
palmtop and transfer the data periodically to Quicken
for Win on the desktop.  This seems like a very viable
option and I just happen to have a copy of the DOS
version.  (I bought it many years ago anticipating the
need).

My main purpose in switching from MYM on the HP200LX
to Pocket Quicken or Quicken for DOS v.8 is so I can
do data entry on the go but then merge it on the
desktop.  That way my wife has an easy to use program
for accounts she maintains and we gain online banking
and investment support when at home.

I followed a link from the Intuit Quicken web site to
the "Unofficial Quicken 2000 Web Site"
http://www.defaria.com/Quicken/ and in the FAQ/
GENERAL it pointed out that there are many things that
cannot be transferred through a QIF:

     Scheduled Transactions
     Address Book
     Memorized Investment Transactions
     Emergency Records
     Budgets
     Memorized Reports
     Memorized Graphs
     Debt Reduction info
     Options Settings
     Online Payees
     Calendar Reminders
     Alerts
     The various "Centers" customizations
     Home Inventory
     Forecasts
     Web Entry downloads
     Security News
     Estimated Capital Gains
     Tax Deduction Finder

I'm curious if anyone uses Quicken for DOS v.8 as your
primary application and then import into Quicken for
Windows.  Is it simply to print or do you do as I plan
to do and use the palmtop and QuickenDOS primarily for
data entry? Do you find the limitations listed above a
hardship?  Do you ever transfer data from the
*desktop* to the *palmtop*?  If so, what version of
Quicken for Win do you use?

Email me off-list if you feel that more appropriate.

Regards,
David


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jimmytan@YEOS.COM.MY wrote:

> Hi Ken,
>
> How about Nov 30, the day when HP officially ceased production of the 200LX back
> in 1999? BTW, HP's support for the repairs and parts officially ends on Nov 30
> this year. I wonder what they'll do with their excess stocks of spare parts?
>
> Jimmy.
> ____________________Reply Separator____________________
> Subject:    RE: Fluff: HP 200LX Day!
> Author: n2vip@bellatlantic.net
> Date:       2001/03/05 10:22 PM
>
> Obviously, there should be a minor holiday on the 100th day of
> the year (coming soon, right) to celebrate the 100LX, and the
> ral party would be on the 200th day of the year. There will be
> those that claim there should also be a holiday on the 95th day
> of the year, to commemerate thier beloved 95LX, but their
> numbers are small, and their date is so close to the 100th day
> that they should simply either celebrate on the 100th day, or
> upgrade. ;¬)
>
> Ken
>
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> Behalf Of
> jimmytan@YEOS.COM.MY
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 1:02 AM
> To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Fluff: HP 200LX Day!
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> <snip>
>
> Just as these fans who still love ABBA's songs, I find my
> palmtop still works
> for me. So, I started thinking,  W H Y   D O N ' T  we declare
> an HP 200LX Day?
> I mean there's World Telecommunication Day, there's Earth Watch
> Day, there's
> ABBA Day, so what not an HP 200LX Day? Not a bad way to
> commemorate this little
> wonder and it's success, especially when it's still alive and
> kicking today, I
> think.
>
> Many thoughts follow: What date should it be on? What do
> supporters do? Where do
> we meet? Should we meet at all or just flood each other with
> well wishes? What
> are the benefits? What will HP think? Is this a DUMB idea?
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jimmy.
>
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I had suggested February 11, 2000 (the 42nd day of the year).  (See Hitchhikers
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> While trying to install the accton 2216 I am encountering
> problems. The HPLX.NET article has lots of information but
> seems to assume a lot of things.

Have you sorted it out?

I'm not sure I follow your problems:
installing the Accton card on my Win98 desktop was done with one
of the default drivers providerd by win98.

I d/l LXMNC from R. Whitby's page, unzipped it and transferred
it to the desktop.
I only got Net Beui working, and not always on the first
attempt, but I do link to my home network and back-up my 200lx
this way.
Let me know if you need more details

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I Bought pocket quicken for dos It appears to be an exm file
and I cannot get it to run under dos ... 6.22



On 19 Mar 01, at 17:11, Bob Christopher wrote:
> I believe that Pocket Quicken for DOS was available on disk
> as an upgrade for the 95/100LX. Check the used software
> sites like recycledsoftware.com. I seem to remember that
> Thaddeus had it for sale as well.
>
> I don't think it's feasible to extract functional ROM based
> apps of the 200LX to disk, but I may be wrong.
> Bob
>
>  Bob Christopher  Littleton, Colorado USA  bob@palmtop.com
>                       HP 200-LX Palmtop
>                     = DOS Were The Days =
>
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Ken London quoted endlessly and inconsiderately 73 lines!,
only to finish with these pearls:

> jimmytan@YEOS.COM.MY wrote:

   Ý snip snip ... my blades dull snipping Ken's quotes ¨

> I had suggested February 11, 2000 (the 42nd day of the year).  (See Hitchhikers
> Guide To The Galaxy for the significance of this choice).

Ken, could you perhaps find some consideration in your heart
and stop this useless endless quoting?

(Oh, my apologies for misquoting you at least 10 doen times in
my 10 posts or so so far on this list.)

  Joe


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Oh, yes- that's another good example of the "can't be done" attitude =
which
we always hear. Lucky that the HP 100/200LX community has great
programmers which doesn't think like this. If they did, the 200LX had
been a rather boring machine!

Jorgen

> Let me again compare it to JPEG. I remember statements about
> JPEG not being possible on the Palmtop because it would take
> minutes to decode a picture. And only small JPEGs could be
> decoded in 640 KB memory and then, what will be left from the
> 16 Mio. colors on a black and white screen?
>
> What would you have said at that time, if I had announced a
> 15 KB JPEG viewer only using 64 KB of memory, decoding at
> reasonable speed and dithering the 16 Mio. colors to useful
> B&W representation?
>
> You'd probably said something more drastic than (in analogy):
>
> "If he intends LXPIC as a serious product,
>  he needs more help than I can give him.  :)"
>
> Stefan
>

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Tamas Feher wrote:

> I see the main problem here as stability of virtual communities.
> They are hard to build and easy to destroy.

That makes me pensive and I think you are right. Hopefully I
rather destroyed my own reputation than the reputation of this
list. From todays point of view I wish I could make the whole
thing unhappen. I removed PalmLX from my homepage to prevent
further damage. This is my last contribution to this subject.

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> Subject: Quicken for DOS on Palmtop --> Quicken for Win
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:54:04 -0800
> From: David Runge <david_runge@YAHOO.COM>
>
SNIP
> I'm curious if anyone uses Quicken for DOS v.8 as your
> primary application and then import into Quicken for
> Windows.  Is it simply to print or do you do as I plan
> to do and use the palmtop and QuickenDOS primarily for
> data entry? Do you find the limitations listed above a
> hardship?  Do you ever transfer data from the
> *desktop* to the *palmtop*?  If so, what version of
> Quicken for Win do you use?
>
> Email me off-list if you feel that more appropriate.
>
> Regards,
> David

I would like to know more about this, I have stuck with Quicken
98 in the
hopes that I could eventually import stuff from PocketQuicken.
I also have Quicken 8 for DOS but haven't really used it.
At any rate I would suggest that this is certainly worth keeping
on list.

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I've been busy so haven't read most of the complaints about the joke. This
list is famous for freaking out about very minor topics so I tend to blow
away the complaints. I enjoyed the joke. Rather than being a danager to a
"virtual community" I see humor as a proof that a community exists.

I think some people on this list misread the joke and went out all amped and
now feel like fools. Because they feel foolish they get angry.

I also think they are angry because they see their beloved machine becoming
more and more dated.


Tamas Feher wrote:
> I see the main problem here as stability of virtual communities.
> They are hard to build and easy to destroy.
It is ALWAYS easier to destroy then to build. By the way why do you need
this list to be an HPLX "COMMUNITY"? What's wrong with having a simple help
& discussion list?

Stefan Peichl wrote:

> Hopefully I rather destroyed my own reputation than the reputation of this
> list.
I don't see that you seriously hurt either one.

> From todays point of view I wish I could make the whole
> thing unhappen.
Such is life. But things like this become better jokes with age. At some
point in the future the funniest part of this will be all the people who
wigged out.

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Stefan Peichl wrote:
> unfortunately that is not true. It was a nightmare
> to walk through all these 159x162 or 158x158
> screenshots with all sort of colordepth, some in
> interlaced GIF, others as animated GIFs. These
> are screenshots brushed up for good web
> appearance and not for the purpose I wanted to
> use them. It took me quite some time to convert
> them back to just simple 160x160 screen shots,
> which I would have liked to receive from you.

I suspect most of us weren't aware that would be a problem.  I
think a simple statement of the problem and another request for
screen shots would have gotten you a lot of screen shots.

I sent you the url thinking I was offering you something better
than a few screenshots of my Palm.

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Stefan Peichl wrote:
> Let me again compare it to JPEG. I remember
> statements about JPEG not being possible on
> the Palmtop because it would take minutes to
> decode a picture. And only small JPEGs could be
decoded in 640 KB memory and then, what will be
> left from the 16 Mio. colors on a black and white
> screen?
>
> What would you have said at that time, if I had
> announced a 15 KB JPEG viewer only using
> 64 KB of memory, decoding at reasonable speed
> and dithering the 16 Mio. colors to useful B&W
> representation?
>
> You'd probably said something more drastic than
> (in analogy):
>
>> "If he intends LXPIC as a serious product,
>>  he needs more help than I can give him.  :)"

I made that statement still thinking of your project as a joke.
And I still think a serious Palm emulator can't be written for
the LX.

I don't know much about what goes into decoding jpeg.  I have no
idea how it works.  I no practically nothing about image
processing.  I've always dealt with graphics as either simple
blocks of pixels (usually mono) or as objects made up of lines,
or both.

I do know a little bit about how cpu emulators work.  I haven't
written one but I've looked at them and studied some source code
and I'm fairly sure I could write a cpu emulator.  I haven't
actually looked much at total system emulation.

Based on what I've seen, both in the source code and in the
results of careful optimization by good programmers, and having
used a number of emulators, shareware, freeware and commercial,
I think it's a silly idea.  Useful emulators are written on
systems that are faster than the system they're emulating, not
slower.

Am I saying don't try it?  Not at all.  I'd love to be wrong.  I
think a good Palm emulator for the LX would be a great thing.
If someone truly believes they can do it, I wish them the best
of luck.  I sure agree that there are still suprises left in the
world.  And a successful Palm emulator would sure be a surprise.
:)

I think I've begun to agree with you that we won't do a group
project.  I think it would be nice if we could but it takes
someone with good orginazational skills to lead it.  Someone
like Gillis Kohl.  Maybe we have somene like that.  Maybe we
don't.  But no-one has spoken up.

It also takes a lot of teamwork and cooperation and trust in one
another, and I saw how quickly we broke up into angry factions
discussing this.  That doesn't bode well for a group project.

But so what!  We still have a bunch of good programmers here and
there will still be individual projects and those are usually
best anyway.

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Date:         Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:41:48 -0800
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Hi David,

I am no longer a Quicken user but I had used Quicken rather intensively
under DOS in the past.  Take my comment with a big grain of salt.
I believe the limitations listed are related to non transactions, meaning
you can transfer all transactions without problem.  I have done what
you described for a short period of time (between HP and DOS v8 I
believe) without problem.

Alfred

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From: David Runge <david_runge@YAHOO.COM>
To: HPLX-L@uconnvm.uconn.edu <HPLX-L@uconnvm.uconn.edu>
Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 4:24 AM
Subject: Quicken for DOS on Palmtop --> Quicken for Win


>Hi all,
>
>Thanks for your replies to my earlier post about
>Pocket Quicken.  Very helpful.  On a related topic...
>
>Someone suggested I try Quicken for DOS v.8 in the
>palmtop and transfer the data periodically to Quicken
>for Win on the desktop.  This seems like a very viable
>option and I just happen to have a copy of the DOS
>version.  (I bought it many years ago anticipating the
>need).
>
>My main purpose in switching from MYM on the HP200LX
>to Pocket Quicken or Quicken for DOS v.8 is so I can
>do data entry on the go but then merge it on the
>desktop.  That way my wife has an easy to use program
>for accounts she maintains and we gain online banking
>and investment support when at home.
>
>I followed a link from the Intuit Quicken web site to
>the "Unofficial Quicken 2000 Web Site"
>http://www.defaria.com/Quicken/ and in the FAQ/
>GENERAL it pointed out that there are many things that
>cannot be transferred through a QIF:
>
>     Scheduled Transactions
>     Address Book
>     Memorized Investment Transactions
>     Emergency Records
>     Budgets
>     Memorized Reports
>     Memorized Graphs
>     Debt Reduction info
>     Options Settings
>     Online Payees
>     Calendar Reminders
>     Alerts
>     The various "Centers" customizations
>     Home Inventory
>     Forecasts
>     Web Entry downloads
>     Security News
>     Estimated Capital Gains
>     Tax Deduction Finder
>
>I'm curious if anyone uses Quicken for DOS v.8 as your
>primary application and then import into Quicken for
>Windows.  Is it simply to print or do you do as I plan
>to do and use the palmtop and QuickenDOS primarily for
>data entry? Do you find the limitations listed above a
>hardship?  Do you ever transfer data from the
>*desktop* to the *palmtop*?  If so, what version of
>Quicken for Win do you use?
>
>Email me off-list if you feel that more appropriate.
>
>Regards,
>David
>
>
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Date:         Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:57:54 -0700
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Granted, we programmers are a little left of center. Sometimes we
program for the joy of the challenge, sometimes for the challenge of
giving joy to others as we reduce their labor through our labor.
Sometimes we create illusions just to see what the response will be.

Some on this list seemed to be yearning for a last minute reprieve
from their self-imposed sentence of having to live out their days with
an LX as other technologies run away from them freely. To them I
suggest they look at the LX and the Palm for what they really are, for
they are completely different. There can be no apples-to-apples
comparison, only apples-to-oranges.

The LX is a true computer. It is a platform upon which one can run a
multitude of applications and, if they desire, program new ones. The
LX is a data repository with the ability to extract, manipulate and
re-present data in any number of ways, through any number of programs.
With the use of simple data converters, the possibilities are endless.

The Palm is an infant platform whose biggest claim to fame is its form
factor. More importantly, though, it is a data repeater only - mostly
taking the DayTimer from paper from to electronic form. Very few use
it for email, internet web browsing or the like. It is handy for quick
notes, appointments and keeping a phone list. This is what most users
use it for and expect it to do. Which explains why Palm is in no
particular hurry to advance the OS or sponsor a vast software library
for it.

Personally, I am not drawn to it for the simple reason that its
appealing form factor ironically defines its limitations. It does
little more than what the Sharp Wizards of old did. Worse still,
unlike the LX that hit the ground running to take advantage of a
veritable library full of compatible software titles, the Palm hit the
ground and stopped. It awaits further development and maturity.


In any event, my LX will continue to accompany me through my work day
and accept virtually anything I throw at it, perform virtually any
task and remain one of the truly great productivity tools of the 20th
century. I consider myself most fortunate to have it at my disposal.
Oh, yes, it also handles my quick notes, appointments and phone list.

Not surprisingly, in meeting after meeting, as others etch-a-sketch
their way through Graffiti input Palm handhelds I simply type. And in
nearly all meetings those with Palms are drawn to the LX and wish
their Palms could do what the LX does. They always stop short of
moving over to the LX, though. And it is always because of the
display.

Why HP elected to continue to use the 95/100LX CGA vs the paper-white
EGA/VGA screen remains a complete mystery to me. If it was simply a
power drain problem they certainly could have addressed that with a
different battery configuration like two 504 12v with a power
conversion IC to whatever met the power needs of system and the
display. The sad truth is that HP has never been very good at
re-development and even less inclined to re-package its products.

Bob

 Bob Christopher  Littleton, Colorado USA  bob@palmtop.com
                      HP 200-LX Palmtop
                    = DOS Were The Days =

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I have loaded Quicken for DOS version 8 release 3 on
the palmtop and will soon try adding txns, categories,
classes, etc. to it and then transferring it to
Quicken 2001 on the desktop via QIF.  I'll keep the
list posted with my results.

The Intuit web site says the latest release of Quicken
for DOS was version 8 release 7 but there is no
download available on the web site (that I could find
in a thorough search) to update my release to 7.  Does
anyone know where to get the update?  To determine
what release you have, press "V" on the main screen.

David


--- Andrew King <aking5@MEDIAONE.NET> wrote:

> I would like to know more about this, I have stuck
> with Quicken
> 98 in the
> hopes that I could eventually import stuff from
> PocketQuicken.
> I also have Quicken 8 for DOS but haven't really
> used it.
> At any rate I would suggest that this is certainly
> worth keeping
> on list.
>
> --
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> Ann Arbor Michigan
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Date:         Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:37:17 -0500
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Dear Stefan

I think the Palm project was an excellent tour-de-force. Unfortunately I
did not have the opportunity of downloading your work before you wiped it.
I think it is very unfortunate that some people's comments offended you.

Regards

Andrew


>That makes me pensive and I think you are right. Hopefully I
>rather destroyed my own reputation than the reputation of this
>list. From todays point of view I wish I could make the whole
>thing unhappen. I removed PalmLX from my homepage to prevent
>further damage. This is my last contribution to this subject.
>

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Date:         Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:44:13 -0700
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If my previous experiences can for tell the future, HP will probably
dispose of most of these parts for economic reasons.=20

Handling and dispersal were not equated into the price of the products
so unless you can get an HP manager to tell you differently... YMMV.

Disposal is probably the easiest and cheapest thing for them to do.
Legal encumbrances also play a factor.


>How about Nov 30, the day when HP officially ceased production of the =
200LX back in 1999? BTW, HP's >support for the repairs and parts =
officially ends on Nov 30  this year. I wonder what they'll do with their=
 >excess stocks of spare parts?

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Date:         Wed, 21 Mar 2001 04:42:51 +1200
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              Roger Whitmarsh <lodger@NZ1.IBM.COM>
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In response to Tamas's final wounding comment,
Stefan wrote (sadly):
>list. From todays point of view I wish I could make the whole
>thing unhappen. I removed PalmLX from my homepage to prevent
>further damage. This is my last contribution to this subject.

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Date:         Wed, 21 Mar 2001 04:44:33 +1200
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Sorry Andrew, didn't mean to send you my comment personally.
Just used your email as the basis for a reply to the list, and
forgot to delete your address.

Cheers...

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Date:         Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:44:32 -0500
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Bob Christopher wrote:

> Personally, I am not drawn to it for the simple reason that its
> appealing form factor ironically defines its limitations. It does
> little more than what the Sharp Wizards of old did. Worse still,
> unlike the LX that hit the ground running to take advantage of a
> veritable library full of compatible software titles, the Palm hit the
> ground and stopped. It awaits further development and maturity.

I hate the palm platform but one of the positive things going for it
is the vast selection of applications.  You can go into almost any
computer store, office supply store, etc. and get packages of 100
games or other programs for the palm  .   Have you gone into a Staples
or CompUSA and seen all of the apps that are sold for the palm?

Next time you are in Staples stop and look at what they have for the palm.

It's too bad we didn't have that big a selection for the 200lx.  Even
though
the 200lx used already available DOS software, nobody thought to package
them like they do for the palm.

I detest the palm platform but I like the vast selection of applications
and accessories that are sold for it.

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Someone was asking what HP will do with the excess 200lx parts.
Most likely they will donate the parts to a trade school somewhere
and call it a charitable deduction on their income taxes.  Or they
will donate to a charity like the Salvation Army.  Many companies
will do this type of thing when they eliminate old inventories of
parts and equipment.  They won't just dump them in the trash, they
will want to get some sort of monetary benefit like that in the form of
an income tax deduction.

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Ken.

To some extent, these collections do/did exist for the 200LX. Every now a=
nd
then, I pull out my old Shareware CD-ROMs from the early PC days. Hundred=
s of
programs that run on the LX. To be sure, some have Year 2000 problems, bu=
t
many run as well as they ever did. If you can find a copy of the old PC-S=
IG
CD's you can have a real good time :¬). Well indexed, and easy to find wh=
at
you're looking for.

Might I also suggest, that the File Library (www.filelibrary.com), has mo=
re
DOS software than most people will need in a lifetime.

Larry


Ken London wrote:

<snip>

> It's too bad we didn't have that big a selection for the 200lx.  Even
> though
> the 200lx used already available DOS software, nobody thought to packag=
e
> them like they do for the palm.
> =

> I detest the palm platform but I like the vast selection of application=
s
> and accessories that are sold for it.
> =

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I find it rather odd to agree with Ken London on anything, but
I guess there's always a first time.  8-)

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, LARRY FELDMAN wrote:

> To some extent, these collections do/did exist for the
> 200LX.
> Ý...¨
> Might I also suggest, that the File Library
> (www.filelibrary.com), has more DOS software than most
> people will need in a lifetime.

All well and fine, but like Ken said, none of these are
_packaged_ for the LX.  At minimum, that involves a label that
says "For the HP 95/100/200LX", as an assurance to the customer
that it's been tested with the LX's limited hardware and
non-standard firmware, and probably won't smoke your data unless
you want it to contort in bizarre ways.  Even in the LX's
heyday, I don't recall many software packages that sported this
sort of label.

In contrast, no Palm userÝ*¨ has to scan the System Requirements
section (if you can find it) to see what processor/OSÝ*¨/display
is expected, and remember that "CGA is good, VGA is bad, 286 is
evil".  Just look for your Palm model on the front of the box,
drop the software into your Palm, and you're off to the races.

Ý*¨ Except the 1st-generation Palm owners, who inhabit roughly
    the same territory software-support-wise as us LX owners.

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Date:         Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:28:01 -0500
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David Runge wrote:
> The Intuit web site says the latest release of Quicken
> for DOS was version 8 release 7 but there is no
> download available on the web site (that I could find
> in a thorough search) to update my release to 7.  Does
> anyone know where to get the update?  To determine
> what release you have, press "V" on the main screen.
>
> David

I have release 7, it came on two 720 K disks and now occupies
2.7 meg on my Omnibook 425.

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Seems to me like a lot of people on the list need to lighten up. The ol'
rear sphincter muscle needs to be relaxed a bit. They need to go out in the
sun and smell flowers or go get laid or sumthing' <shrug> who knows why
people are uptight? Maybe they were beaten with rubber chickens as children.

I think it's important for the rest of us to understand that there will
always be idiots and there's not much you can do about it (from a distance,
anyway). Ya just gotta laugh at them, be glad you're not like them and send
their messages to /dev/null. But don't let them chase you away.



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In response to Tamas's final wounding comment,
Stefan wrote (sadly):
>list. From todays point of view I wish I could make the whole
>thing unhappen. I removed PalmLX from my homepage to prevent
>further damage. This is my last contribution to this subject.

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Ken London <KenLondon@BELD.NET> wrote:

>>It's too bad we didn't have that big a selection for the 200lx.  Even
though...<<

I respectfully submit, for your consideration, the 2000 CD InfoBase from
Thaddeus Computing.
http://www.palmtoppaper.com/cgi-bin/shop.plx/SID=PUT_SID_HERE/page=cd.htm

The ad says "1500 shareware, freeware programs". What it doesn't say is that
all of these programs have been tested and are known to run on the LX's --
something that can't be said of other DOS software collections. Let the Palm
and WinCE folks shoot for that goal.

.ed.

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Date:         Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:40:19 -0500
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              Steve <novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM>
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Stefan Peichl wrote:

> > While I have no doubt that a Palm emulator can be written for
> > the LX, I have serious doubts that a useful one could be
> > written.
>
> Let me again compare it to JPEG. I remember statements about
> JPEG not being possible on the Palmtop because it would take
> minutes to decode a picture. And only small JPEGs could be
> decoded in 640 KB memory and then, what will be left from the
> 16 Mio. colors on a black and white screen?
>
> What would you have said at that time, if I had announced a
> 15 KB JPEG viewer only using 64 KB of memory, decoding at
> reasonable speed and dithering the 16 Mio. colors to useful
> B&W representation?

   One interesting side effect of writing a program to
run on the 200LX, is the speed it runs on a desktop.
And, if you have ever used Internet Explorer to browse
an image collection, you can really appreciate LXPIC
on a Win95 system.  On my parent's system I gave up
trying to show them how to use Windows native programs
to view family pictures e-mailed to them.  I made an
icon for LXPIC on the desktop, and move all their
pictures to one directory when I visit.  Had to answer
one or two questions about LXPIC.  But, that's easier
than walking them through opening "folders", selecting,
double clicking, and wading through menus every time
they want to veiw pictures.

   Given the fun Mom has with the AOL mail center, maybe
I should give an LX mailer a try.

Steve

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Date:         Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:47:12 -0500
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              Systems-Consulting <Sales@SYSTEMS-CONSULTING.COM>
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Ed Padin made a very good point. This is a group effort, the
smaller the group, the fewer viewpoints we get. We need ALL the
input we can get. Just skip the ones that you don't like. It is
not necessary to comment on every message as to its
appropriateness. We can each judge by ourselves.

When I'm in a crowd and I hear something I don't like, I usually
don't have a need to make a comment, I can just ignore it.



Thanks,

Paul Anderson, Pres, Systems-Consulting
89 Main Street, Broad Brook CT 06016 USA tel:(860)627-5393
web: http://Systems-Consulting.com

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Ed
Padin
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 5:19 PM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU
Subject: Re: Criticism of Stefan Peichl's "joke"


Seems to me like a lot of people on the list need to lighten
up..............

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Date:         Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:57:14 -0600
Reply-To:     Chris Lott <rclott@ro.com>
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From:         Chris Lott <rclott@RO.COM>
Subject:      New Release Tomorrow
In-Reply-To:  <HPLX-L%2001031412243795@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU> from "Daniel
              Hertrich" at Mar 14, 2001 06:26:34 PM
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Daniel:

I have a new release ready to submit to you tomorrow.  I have to clean
up the README file and make the zip package tonight.

Changes:

Incorporated the limit changes of 091a and 091b permanently into this
new release.

Allow direct incorporation of HP Notetaker data files (as with the Phone
Book files, you have to do GDBIO on your note files first).  Capability
to direct read text files has been retained, and both methods can be
used simultaneously.

Added option to specify the title of your text file note in the .MDF
file, instead of from line 1 of the text file.

Just wanted to give you a heads up.  Now to finish up the appt book
section...


-Chris Lott



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Date:         Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:39:27 -0500
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              "Rodger N. Bird II" <rbird2@PEOPLEPC.COM>
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I have 1 used copy of Automap Road Atlas Version 2.0 (DOS) For Sale.
The  program comes on both 3 1/2" & 720K floppies and includes the manual.
Asking $20.00, which includes shipping within the continental United States.

Please email me direct if you are interested. Do not reply to this message.
My email address is: rbird2@peoplepc.com

Rodger

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Date:         Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:50:57 -0500
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              Ken London <KenLondon@BELD.NET>
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Ed Keefe wrote:

> Ken London <KenLondon@BELD.NET> wrote:
>
> >>It's too bad we didn't have that big a selection for the 200lx.  Even
> though...<<
>
> I respectfully submit, for your consideration, the 2000 CD InfoBase from
> Thaddeus Computing.
> http://www.palmtoppaper.com/cgi-bin/shop.plx/SID=PUT_SID_HERE/page=cd.htm
>
> The ad says "1500 shareware, freeware programs". What it doesn't say is that
> all of these programs have been tested and are known to run on the LX's --
> something that can't be said of other DOS software collections. Let the Palm
> and WinCE folks shoot for that goal.
>
> .ed.
>
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Don't have the 2000 CD, did get an earlier version from several years ago
and had alot of trouble running it.   Often times the cd infobase program would
not install properly or would crash.  Finally gave up using it.

So for me the CD was next to useless.

It was the 98 version.   Never went for the more recent version.

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Date:         Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:58:34 -0500
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              Ken London <KenLondon@BELD.NET>
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LARRY FELDMAN wrote:

> Ken.
>
> To some extent, these collections do/did exist for the 200LX. Every now and
> then, I pull out my old Shareware CD-ROMs from the early PC days. Hundreds of
> programs that run on the LX. To be sure, some have Year 2000 problems, but
> many run as well as they ever did. If you can find a copy of the old PC-SIG
> CD's you can have a real good time :¬). Well indexed, and easy to find what
> you're looking for.

And there were many programs that didn't run on the 200lx. Many of these programs

wanted different video than what the 200lx could support or didn't like some
other aspect
of the 200lx.

True the 200lx could run many programs but it couldn't run everything.

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Date:         Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:49:22 +0000
Reply-To:     HPLX Mailing List <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU>,
              Russel Brooks <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM>
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Comments:     RFC822 error: <W> Incorrect or incomplete address field found and
              ignored.
From:         Russel Brooks <rlbrooks@POBOX.COM>
Subject:      Re: Quicken for DOS on Palmtop, on list please
Comments: To: David Runge <david_runge@YAHOO.COM>
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David Runge wrote:
> I have loaded Quicken for DOS version 8 release 3 on
>
> To determine
> what release you have, press "V" on the main screen.

I just checked, I too have v8r3.  What do the different releases
get you?  Bug fixes or additional features or ??

I only use Quicken on my Dos desktop, not my LX, so I don't have
any data transfer concerns; I'm just curious where this topic is
going...

Cheers... Russ

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Date:         Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:36:11 -0500
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              Andrew King <aking5@MEDIAONE.NET>
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> Subject: Re: Criticism of Stefan Peichl's "joke"
> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:00:28 +0000
> From: Stefan Peichl <Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.DE>
>
> That makes me pensive and I think you are right. Hopefully I
> rather destroyed my own reputation than the reputation of this
> list. From todays point of view I wish I could make the whole
> thing unhappen. I removed PalmLX from my homepage to prevent
> further damage. This is my last contribution to this subject.
>
> Stefan
>
Stefan
Your reputation is fine with me. Since I don't have anywhere
near the skills needed to come up with even a joke of this
quality I can only be impressed at what the more talented list
members can accomplish.
Thanks for all your efforts.

--
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Ann Arbor Michigan
technology is the answer, what was the question?

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Date:         Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:18:43 +0100
Reply-To:     K.Rdt@tu-berlin.de
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From:         Klaus Reinhardt <K.Rdt@TU-BERLIN.DE>
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----------------- mailto:K.Rdt@TU-Berlin.DE start -------------------
Hi

It's not a hp200lx-question, but I often got qualified answers
from here and the other related groups couldn't give me
help, that I want to have a try:
My Internet-Connection runs over an ISDN-parallel-s0-Box
from Teles. I've installed it with - german called - DF\ and
can see, that there are invoked tapiexe.exe and ranaapp.dll.
When I've closed the connection particularly rnaapp is
behaving as zombie; some minutes later the system is hanging
and I have to kill the process; but afterwards a new connection
isn't possible, some bits in the 'kernel' seem to be 'confused'.
So I have to boot - often!
This problem isn't there with the Ýt-¨online.exe from the
german telekom, but there I have to pay more ..
I tried trumpet winsocket, but its shareware and the different
versions are confusing, too.
I tried hperterm with a connection over AcoISDN, but I
could only get the 'raw' connection, a dialog isn't possible.
I looked in my newly installd cygwin, but could only see
the inetd-dir and some perl, which would be new for me;
but cygwin has no /dev or alike.

So I would be vera happy to get some hint for another
'free winsock connection'

                K@Rdt
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Date:         Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:01:39 -0500
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Subject:      Re: Criticism of Stefan Peichl's "joke"
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        Ed Padin ably wrote:
> Seems to me like a lot of people on the list need to lighten up. The ol'
> rear sphincter muscle needs to be relaxed a bit. They need to go out in the
> sun and smell flowers or go get laid or sumthing' <shrug> who knows why
> people are uptight? Maybe they were beaten with rubber chickens as children.

Together these two processes may be a bit constradictory. See
if the loosening of above-mentioned muscles take place, the
results may overpower the smell of flowers! <g>

   Joe


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Date:         Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:01:41 -0500
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        Andrew King ably wrote:
> Andrew King (still trying to figure out MAGNIFY)

Did you try to write to support@dasoft.com? I had a problem
with Magnify (eons ago!) and it got solved forthwith.


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Date:         Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:34:37 -0500
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              Andrew King <aking5@MEDIAONE.NET>
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hplxmail@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>         Andrew King ably wrote:
> > Andrew King (still trying to figure out MAGNIFY)
>
> Did you try to write to support@dasoft.com? I had a problem
> with Magnify (eons ago!) and it got solved forthwith.
>
Actually it's more a question of finding the manual and spending
half an hour with it. I wouldn't want to cast doubt on DAsoft's
support services, the problem has much more to do with my
tendency to undertake many more projects than I have time for.


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Ann Arbor Michigan
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Date:         Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:35:38 -0600
Reply-To:     Chris Lott <rclott@ro.com>
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New version is released.  See README file for changes and details.
APPT book will be ready next release.  This one just enhances MEMO
processing capabilities.

Interested persons my fetch the HP2REX distribution ZIP archive by
anonymous ftp to alphabetatech.com - fetch the H2R092.ZIP file using
binary mode.

See the file README for instructions, acknowledgements, and file
information.  I hope to hear from some of you guys soon with comments.

-Chris

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Date:         Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:43:38 -0500
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              "Striegel, Alan" <Striegel@PIOS.COM>
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From:         "Striegel, Alan" <Striegel@PIOS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Golf Solitaire 2.1 now available
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>From: Curtis Cameron Ýmailto:curtc@AIRMAIL.NET¨
>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 8:38 PM
>...
>And can anyone beat an average score of 20.6?
>
>The game is available at:
>http://members.aol.com/FreeWhl44/lxgames.html

It has taken me about a year, but I have managed to match the average score
of 20.6 that Curtis mentions in his message.  2724 games so far and I have
managed to hold on to the 20.6 average for the last 50 or so.  I must be
improving.

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Date:         Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:32:00 -0600
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              Theodore Heise <theise@NETINS.NET>
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From:         Theodore Heise <theise@NETINS.NET>
Subject:      Klondike win percent (was: Golf Solitaire 2.1 now available)
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Striegel, Alan wrote:

> It has taken me about a year, but I have managed to match the average score
> of 20.6 that Curtis mentions in his message.  2724 games so far and I have
> managed to hold on to the 20.6 average for the last 50 or so.  I must be
> improving.

I've struggled to stay at 20, and recently have dropped under.  :(
That's with a couple hundred games played.

What sort of win percentages are folks achieving with Klondike?  I
was up to 12.4% last week, but just dropped under 12.  I've played
a bit over 800 games.

Ted

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Date:         Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:46:42 +0100
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              Feher Tamas <etomcat@2FKFT.COM>
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From:         Feher Tamas <etomcat@2FKFT.COM>
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Hello all,

I see many are using PGP with palmtop and desktop e-mail. Here are
some bad news for you:

<http://www.icz.cz/en/onas/tisk4.html>

Let's wait what independent researchers and RSA, Zimmermann , etc.
will comment about this rather new finding.

Securely: Tamas Feher.

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Date:         Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:52:59 -0500
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              KenLondon <KenLondon@BELD.NET>
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"Striegel, Alan" wrote:

> It has taken me about a year, but I have managed to match the average score
> of 20.6 that Curtis mentions in his message.  2724 games so far and I have
> managed to hold on to the 20.6 average for the last 50 or so.  I must be
> improving.

Too much time to kill?

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Date:         Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:10:11 +0100
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              Feher Tamas <etomcat@2FKFT.COM>
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Hello all,

I see there was some discussion of Systran, as a sidetrack of the
japanese MorphyOne thread. Just wanted to let you know, that dr. Peter
Toma, the now 76 years old inventor of Systran is working with a small
group of programmers in Hungary, Budapest to produce a next generation
system, which shall do realtime translation on a PC, between 16
languages, including voice recognition and synthesis. Therefore a PC
connected in between a transcontinental phone line would allow people
to talk to each other, without need for a common language. Development
uses Linux.

I bet, you can guess if they will be ready in 5 years, using 8
programmers or in 15 years utilizing 60+ coders. But you may see some
commercial spin-offs from this project earlier.

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Hi gang!

It's time for me to leave you. I've gone as far as I can with the HPLX =
weatherfax project, and while there are still a couple of little niggles, =
it's working well and is in daily use. The LX starts the HFFAX program and =
switches the shortwave receiver on at scheduled times and when the faxes =
have been recieived it switches the receiver off again, returns to the =
topcard and powers down the LX. I just received a catalog from a supplier =
of marine electronics, and found that a commercial printing weatherfax =
receiver costs around USD 2500 :o)

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all who helped with the =
weatherfax project and took me down memory lane to my DOS days. I'm about =
to finish my report on how I put it all together in software and hardware =
with listings of my batch files etc, so if any of you are interested in =
receiving the final report, please e-mail me off list.

I'll lurk for another couple of days and then bugger off some time this =
weekend. Receiving the list via cell phone is just too darned expensive, =
and the bickering and endless quoting of several generations of old =
messages doesn't make it any better, so I really can't justify staying when =
I no longer need your help.

Oh, by the way, the TV report about me and my boat was  sent at the end of =
the news at 21:00 (20:00 UTC) on Friday March 16. (Martin Bergvill saw it =
:o) If you have a fast Internet connection, it is possible to see it at =
www.tv2.no
E-mail me off list if you have problems wading through the Norwegian =
language site.

If any of you are interested in receiving my cruise log e-mails, you can =
sign up for my ListBot based mailing list via my web site at =
http://pagina.de/naomi.j

Good Bye, and thanks!

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What does the error message:

"Fatal Error: fixed string field"

indicate normally when you run gdbio?  I am now getting this when I try
to extract from my appt book.  I have successfully done this in the past
without this error message, so maybe my file is corrupted somehow.

Thanks,

-Chris Lott


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I have for trade;

I would like a LX 200 (new) docking station.

I have for trade a new 1/3" CCD B/W PCB Camera
Smart 6MB memory/Modem w/o cable.
HP Mobile data link for HP95
XtreeNew V2.0 software   all new.

Pls reply hobchi@juno.com
yor pal al....

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Stefan Peichl wrote:
> That makes me pensive and I think you are right.
> Hopefully I rather destroyed my own reputation
> than the reputation of this list. From todays point
> of view I wish I could make the whole thing
> unhappen. I removed PalmLX from my homepage>
> to prevent further damage. This is my last
> contribution to this subject.

I'm not sure anymore if you were joking or not.  Maybe I never
will be.  :)

In any case, joking or otherwise, I can't see where you've done
anything wrong.  I don't see where anyone has done anything
wrong with respect to all this.  If anything, we've gotten a
little hotheaded as a group.  Maybe we should just all calm down
and have a cup of coffee and think it over and remember that
we're all good guys.

Nothing bad has happened.  We just got a little rambunctious.
Maybe because Mama Avi wasn't here to tell us to behave.  :)

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The problem with exporting to Quicken 2001 is the dates. If you export =
to a qif file then manually edit out the /00's and /01's to /2000 and =
/2001 you can then import the qif file to Quicken 2001.
Jim

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<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The problem with exporting to Quicken =
2001 is the=20
dates. If you export to a qif file then manually edit out the /00's and =
/01's to=20
/2000 and /2001 you can then import the qif file to Quicken =
2001.</FONT></DIV>
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Does anyone have any larger fonts for HV that they have created?  My =
aging eyes need some help.  Thanks.
Jim Sanders

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Ken London wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I hate the palm platform but one of the positive things going
for it
is the vast selection of applications.  You can go into almost
any
computer store, office supply store, etc. and get packages of
100
games or other programs for the palm  .   Have you gone into a
Staples
or CompUSA and seen all of the apps that are sold for the palm?

Next time you are in Staples stop and look at what they have for
the palm.

It's too bad we didn't have that big a selection for the 200lx.
Even though
the 200lx used already available DOS software, nobody thought to
package
them like they do for the palm.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I suspect there are still hundreds of times more apps for the
200lx than there are for the Palm, although there are a lot of
apps for the palm.

Who cares if they're in collections at Staples?  They're
readilly available on the internet and at used software stores.
Most are free.  Many are extrememly sophisticated.  And the
variety is amazing.  Dos may still be the platform that has the
richest selection of applications of all.  Windows will catch
up, and may have already.  But Palm, rich as it's base off apps
is, isn't even in the ballpark yet.

You have to be careful how you measure things.  Measuring by
what you see in collections at Staples tells you more about
what's popular at the moment than about what exists.  It's kind
of like determining the racial mix of the USA by taking the
census at a KKK rally.

Barry

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Date:         Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:57:00 -0600
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Could someone please send me a reasonable size HP200LX .ADB file
that I can use for testing with the REX convertor?  As I posted
earlier, I can't use mine anymore, because I get an error with
gdbio.  I would appreciate getting several to play with.  As with
the sample REX contact information sent to me in the past, I promise
to keep private and confidential any material you send.

If you can, it might be a good idea to check that your .ADB file
will indeed process successfully through gdbio.  You can either
e-mail me the file, or ftp it to alphabetatech.com by anonymous
ftp to the incoming directory.

Thanks,

-Chris Lott

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Date:         Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:54:35 -0600
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Adrian Ho wrote:
> Ý*¨ Except the 1st-generation Palm owners,
> who inhabit roughly the same territory
> software-support-wise as us LX owners.

Actually a lot of the new software says it's for PalmOS 3 and
up.  Some even says 3.1 and up.  In a year some will say 4.0 and
up and a lot of the non-flash units selling now will be left
out.  PalmOS 4.0 is due out in a few months.

Also some apps won't work or work well with the 3c (color Palm)
and some are specifically written for it.  Although most will
work with either, it's something Palm owners have to think
about.

Just offhand I'd say 200lx owners don't have to worry more about
compatibility with their particular system than Palm owners do.
Although it isn't a major issue for either.

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Ken London wrote:
> Don't have the 2000 CD, did get an earlier
> version from several years ago and had
> alot of trouble running it.   Often times the
> cd infobase program would not install
> properly or would crash.  Finally gave up
> using it.

I think it was the 98 version that wouldn't install properly on
a 32 bit fat disk.  I made a small partition for it that I kept
16 bit.  Actually I have a few apps with that problem so even
though that isn't a problem with the 2000 edition, I still have
and use that 16 bit partition.

But I'm happy to agree with you that the program that's used for
the Thaddeus CDs is about as bad as programs get.  It crashes a
lot and is even a bigger pain when it works.  I'd be much
happier with a lot of directories with zip files and a
readme.txt file.  But that's life.

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Hi again.

Just a quick question before I go. Does anyone know where Daniel Hertrich =
is at the moment? I've e-mailed him twice in the last couple of weeks, but =
have not had any reply. I've been in contact with Pinnock Organizer =
Services (POS Ltd) in London. They were quite interested in the RS-232 =
ZIP-drive interface he mentioned and thinking of adapting it for the Psion =
/ EPOC machines. If this happens, they might be able to buy the rights from =
the company that originally had it developed.

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It this is the Magnify program that was sold by Ace Technologies, I have my
original disk and manual here in front of me. I also have a fairly decent
scanner attached to the computer. According to the inside of the front
cover, the copyright holder is named Craig Payne. What can we legally do to
solve your problem?

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Subject: Re: MAGNIFY support


hplxmail@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>         Andrew King ably wrote:
> > Andrew King (still trying to figure out MAGNIFY)
>
> Did you try to write to support@dasoft.com? I had a problem
> with Magnify (eons ago!) and it got solved forthwith.
>
Actually it's more a question of finding the manual and spending
half an hour with it. I wouldn't want to cast doubt on DAsoft's
support services, the problem has much more to do with my
tendency to undertake many more projects than I have time for.


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Date:         Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:43:29 -0500
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Subject:      Re: From SYSTRAN to the future.
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Hi

As a professional translator, I beg to offer the opinion that machine
translation is the thing of the future. It always has been, and always will
be.

You can achieve excellent results with routine work, on condition that you
do a lot of work with your dictionaries, pre-edit the source text and use
simplified, standardised language ("Simple English"). But since computers
do not have awareness, I am not inclined to believe that they will be able
to manage colloquial speech.

I am not knocking the goals and I lift my hat to Dr. Peter Toma - I use
on-line dictionaries, translation memories and Systran at work myself.
However, the focus has changed over the years from pure machine translation
to human-aided machine translation and then to machine-aided human
translation.

Yours

Andrew

At 19:10 21/03/2001 +0100, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I see there was some discussion of Systran, as a sidetrack of the
>japanese MorphyOne thread. Just wanted to let you know, that dr. Peter
>Toma, the now 76 years old inventor of Systran is working with a small
>group of programmers in Hungary, Budapest to produce a next generation
>system, which shall do realtime translation on a PC, between 16
>languages, including voice recognition and synthesis. Therefore a PC
>connected in between a transcontinental phone line would allow people
>to talk to each other, without need for a common language. Development
>uses Linux.
>
>I bet, you can guess if they will be ready in 5 years, using 8
>programmers or in 15 years utilizing 60+ coders. But you may see some
>commercial spin-offs from this project earlier.
>
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Barry wrote:

> Ken London wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> I hate the palm platform but one of the positive things going
> for it
> is the vast selection of applications.  You can go into almost
> any
> computer store, office supply store, etc. and get packages of
> 100
> games or other programs for the palm  .   Have you gone into a
> Staples
> or CompUSA and seen all of the apps that are sold for the palm?
>
> Next time you are in Staples stop and look at what they have for
> the palm.
>
> It's too bad we didn't have that big a selection for the 200lx.
> Even though
> the 200lx used already available DOS software, nobody thought to
> package
> them like they do for the palm.
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> I suspect there are still hundreds of times more apps for the
> 200lx than there are for the Palm, although there are a lot of
> apps for the palm.
>
> Who cares if they're in collections at Staples?  They're
> readilly available on the internet and at used software stores.
> Most are free.  Many are extrememly sophisticated.  And the
> variety is amazing.  Dos may still be the platform that has the
> richest selection of applications of all.  Windows will catch
> up, and may have already.  But Palm, rich as it's base off apps
> is, isn't even in the ballpark yet.
>
> You have to be careful how you measure things.  Measuring by
> what you see in collections at Staples tells you more about
> what's popular at the moment than about what exists.  It's kind
> of like determining the racial mix of the USA by taking the
> census at a KKK rally.
>
> Barry
>
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But what is sold at staples will run on the palm, alot of dos software
will
not run on the 200lx as I found out the hard way.

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Just a few comments
from a lucky lurker (lucky because I get to witness all the
brilliance of certain list contributors, lurker because I have comparatively
little to share)...
     The 200lx is dated. Sure. It still does most anything you might need to
do with data- from entry through manipulation, to reporting.
     This list still has members who have helped me through their
programs and personal communications. Generous, bright, friendly people.

Who cares if Palm envy strikes a dissonant chord on the list once in awhile?
I think it's cool that I can use a machine so far beyond it's planned
obsolesence in the face of Palm users who are largely caught up in color
screens and other "curb appeal" type non-functional issues. I use my LX in
the outdoors, in difficult environmental conditions, with great screen
clarity (try color screens outside... you'll be squinting, turning, etc.)
and easy data entry _ especially the numeric keypad (HP brilliance!). I
sometimes think that I should just get rid of the 200LX, but I always come
back to the knowledge that I won't find a numeric keypad equipped- use for
hours and hours (or days) without battery charging- outside legible screen,
shock resistant cased, kick_ass number cruncher without having to engineer
one for myself. The 200lx can't be beat for these things. If some LX ers
need to run PalmOS apps, just use the two machines- they're both small
enough.

BTW, Special thanks are due to Stefan, and the other programers, list
maintainers over the years, and hackers, tweakers,
the
list goes on and on. Without your support of the 200lx, it would be much
less appealing. Without your contributions to the list and the platform,
we'd be attracted to the bright lights and 'lipstick'
of "looks good, but what can it do?" machines that have flooded the market.

In humble apprecication,
Mike
inthegarden@csi.com

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>Subject: Re: MAGNIFY support
>   Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:31:30 -0800
>   From: Robert Briggs <Robert_Briggs@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
>
>It this is the Magnify program that was sold by Ace Technologies, I have my
>original disk and manual here in front of me. I also have a fairly decent
>scanner attached to the computer. According to the inside of the front
>cover, the copyright holder is named Craig Payne. What can we legally do to
>solve your problem?

Robert
That is the very program.
I can find the disk so I suppose that would give me the right to
copy the manual for my own use.
However I should poke about a bit here before asking you to scan
the manual for me.
I will save your address though just in case.

Thanks

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Ken London ably wrote:
> They won't just dump them in the trash, they
> will want to get some sort of monetary benefit like that in the form of
> an income tax deduction.

And you had troubles understanding Avi's POV on abandonware?
Curious.

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Date:         Thu, 22 Mar 2001 06:55:28 +0100
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              Nathalie Bugeaud <tps-seti@WANADOO.FR>
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i sure liked the retirement calculator screen which in the advanced
section states: "live off internet"

 >I think some people on this list misread the joke and went out
 >all amped and now feel like fools. Because they feel foolish
 >they get angry. I also think they are angry because they see
 >their beloved machine becoming more and more dated.

i was fooled into going out and buying PALM software.
anyone has a Palm who wants to buy it off me?

 >rear sphincter muscle needs to be relaxed a bit. They need to go out
 >in the sun and smell flowers or go get laid or sumthing' <shrug>
 >who knows why people are uptight? Maybe they were beaten with rubber
 >chickens as children.

that's me! :) :) :)

Nathalie

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Hi Owen,

On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:43:51 +0100, "Owen H. Morgan" <ohmorgan@INAME.COM> wrote:

> Just a quick question before I go. Does anyone know where Daniel Hertrich is at the moment? I've e-mailed him twice in the last couple of weeks, but
> have not had any reply. I've been in contact with Pinnock Organizer Services (POS Ltd) in London. They were quite interested in the RS-232
> ZIP-drive interface he mentioned and thinking of adapting it for the Psion / EPOC machines. If this happens, they might be able to buy the rights from
> the company that originally had it developed.

Don't worry - I'm still here ;-) Just busy right now. But I'll answer
your question in private email now.

GTX
daniel


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Date:         Thu, 22 Mar 2001 02:41:26 -0800
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Okay, first of all, I like and respect Stefan, I liked his joke; as a
serious programmer myself, I thought (I guess mistakenly) that it was
obvious that what he has done so far is just a wrapper, demoware, a
good and interesting framework for the remaining 95% of the job that
would have to be done.

I think I'm very much of the same mind as Barry on this issue.

Nathalie Bugeaud a =E9crit:
>  >I think some people on this list misread the joke and went out
>  >all amped and now feel like fools. Because they feel foolish
>  >they get angry. I also think they are angry because they see
>  >their beloved machine becoming more and more dated.
>=20
> i was fooled into going out and buying PALM software.
> anyone has a Palm who wants to buy it off me?

Oh no! Are you serious? I do own a PALM (actually, a Visor). I know
others on this list do as well. What software did you buy?

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I just wanted to announce that I have the easy part of the REX3 appointment
book transfer working just fine.  It only works properly on single events,
that is, not repeating appointments.  If anyone wants just this capability,
I can build up a release that will just do this.

I'm  working on the repeats, which represent by far the biggest chunk of
the work.  I have previously decoded most of the unknown repeat fields
of the REX3 format, and now *just* have to map the slightly different
style of HP repeats to the REX3 repeats.

-Chris

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Date:         Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:51:16 +0200
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Hey Chris,

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:16:53 -0600, Chris Lott <rclott@RO.COM> wrote:

> I just wanted to announce that I have the easy part of the REX3 appointment
> book transfer working just fine.  It only works properly on single events,
> that is, not repeating appointments.  If anyone wants just this capability,
> I can build up a release that will just do this.

Would be fun to see how it works, so if this doesn't mean too much
work, I'd appreciate it. But if it is again a bunch of work, please
rather concentrate on the repeats! ;-)

> I'm  working on the repeats, which represent by far the biggest chunk of
> the work.  I have previously decoded most of the unknown repeat fields
> of the REX3 format, and now *just* have to map the slightly different
> style of HP repeats to the REX3 repeats.

This sounds very promising! I'm looking forward to see the results.
If I can help you in any way (do you still need adbs?) let me know!

GTX
daniel

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"Joe H. Smith" wrote:

> Ken London ably wrote:
> > They won't just dump them in the trash, they
> > will want to get some sort of monetary benefit like that in the form of
> > an income tax deduction.
>
> And you had troubles understanding Avi's POV on abandonware?
> Curious.
>

This indicates you weren't attributing the right quote to me.  If you are
going to
slam me at least get your imformation correct.

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Date:         Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:08:38 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@BARRERA.ORG>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: Criticism of Stefan Peichl's "joke"


> Okay, first of all, I like and respect Stefan, I liked his
joke; as a
> serious programmer myself, I thought (I guess mistakenly)
that it was
> obvious that what he has done so far is just a wrapper,
demoware, a
> good and interesting framework for the remaining 95% of the
job that
> would have to be done.
> I think I'm very much of the same mind as Barry on this
issue.

Hmm  .  .  .    I understood that Barry took this as a joke
almost from the beginning (which was taken by some as sarcasm
on his part).  What you said above is the way I took it:  he
was showing us the way it would look once it was finished, did
we still think it was worth it?  I certainly thought it was
worth it, even if it was a display of pictures only at this
time.
The part I still don't understand is:  was this a joke when
the last Palmlx program was created, or was it a joke from the
beginning of the announcement of the group project?  If I had
thought it was a joke from the beginning, I would not have
gotten involved.   Personally I am not mad at Stephan, but
this is certainly uncharacteristic (I have seen Avi and a few
others do stuff like this before, so is no big deal).  But I
am surprised at how perceptive Barry proved to be.  Perhaps it
was the bit of code posted on the announcement which gave the
joke away, but non-programmers like me had no way of knowing
what it meant.

I am certainly grateful for all the years of wisdom gained
from this list, but I am beginning to feel that this list may
have outlived its usefulness, at least for people like me who
have been around for a long time.

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I finally upgraded my cell phone, and chose the CS888 for its IR
capability.  I will be trying it this weekend, but wanted to ask
again if anyone on the list has one working.  It will save me some
time if you could share your experience.  My provider had a deal
where you get a free phone if you have been a customer for 18 months
and agree to use them for another 12 months.

-Chris Lott

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Date:         Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:37:38 -0800
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Domingo a =E9crit:
> The part I still don't understand is:  was this a joke when
> the last Palmlx program was created, or was it a joke from the
> beginning of the announcement of the group project?

I don't know the answer to that.
I personally assumed he planned to continue the project, and that he
was just going, "look! I just build a new car, ready to drive!
Ý oh except that there's no engine ¨" ... but that he did have plans
to drop an engine into the body.

> But I
> am surprised at how perceptive Barry proved to be.  Perhaps it
> was the bit of code posted on the announcement which gave the
> joke away, but non-programmers like me had no way of knowing
> what it meant.

It's not seeing the code, but rather knowing how much effort the
project really would take, based on programming experience.

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It seems that despite my warnings, the "flaming" on the HPLX-L refuse to
stop. I have decided to change the list attributes such that replies no
longer go to the HPLX-L by default. I realize this will stifle discussions,
which is a shame in many cases, but lately the majority of discussions have
not been very fruitful to the majority of the LIST. I don't have time to
research every quote, or judge every claim of "slamming". I know for a fact
that this LIST is useful to many, newbies & experienced users alike. It
would be a shame to lose more experts that can lend useful advice. There
will be more changes forthcoming, please be patient while I (along with some
others) work out the kinks in a revised policy, which I hope will make the
HPLX-L a more pleasant place for all.

I regret that I have let things get so out of hand, and I hope you will all
accept my apologies for not being a more diligent LIST moderator. If you
have any comments about my LIST management, please Email them privately to
albert.kind@uconn.edu.

Cheers...AJKind

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Date:         Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:11:06 -0800
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I've recently switch over from Windows (Win2K) to Linux (RedHat 7) and
the one thing I haven't satisfactorily replaced yet is a good
calandering program. I used to use Outlook, but that's obviously no
longer an option.

So while I'm looking for a good calendaring program, I might as well
try to find one that plays well with the HPLX. Has anyone here already
been down this road? If so, what have you chosen?

Thanks,

- Joe

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Date:         Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:13:57 +0100
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Hello all,

Any interesting in below URL for LX and DOS5? It is in german, that's
why I ask.

<http://www.harddiskcafe.de/projekte_dos_asm.html>

Sincerely, Tamas Feher.

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Date:         Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:39:31 -0500
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This is not an answer to your question, but have you tried
dual boot?  I have been interested for some time to make my
WinMe system into a dual boot system with Linux, just to see
if it is worth the trouble, since I recently purchase a fast
machine.  My problem is that I do depend on my Windows
applications, and I have gotten a little lazy with Windows, so
I don't want to sweat too much to make the transformation.

Domingo

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> I've recently switch over from Windows (Win2K) to Linux
(RedHat 7) and
> the one thing I haven't satisfactorily replaced yet is a
good
> calandering program. I used to use Outlook, but that's
obviously no
> longer an option.
>
> So while I'm looking for a good calendaring program, I might
as well
> try to find one that plays well with the HPLX. Has anyone
here already
> been down this road? If so, what have you chosen?
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Joe
>
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Domingo a =E9crit:
> This is not an answer to your question, but have you tried
> dual boot?

I have in the past with good results, although I'm currently running
just straight Linux (in protest over the activation terms for Windows
XP, but that's another story). Dual boot is akward if you just want to
pop in and of your calendar, especially since my email is on Linux.

There are other technologies, such as Wine, Win4Lin, and VM, for
running Windows on Linux (e.g. while Linux is still running). I've
listed them cheapest first (Wine is free). But I really just don't
want to be running any Microsoft software, for philosophical reasons,
so that leaves Outlook out, even run on a virtual Windows platform.

- Joe

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Date:         Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:20:34 -0600
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:00:28 +0000, Stefan Peichl <Stefan.Peichl@T-ONLINE.=
DE> wrote:

 > Tamas Feher wrote:
 >
 > > I see the main problem here as stability of virtual communities.
 > > They are hard to build and easy to destroy.
 >
 > That makes me pensive and I think you are right. Hopefully I
 > rather destroyed my own reputation than the reputation of this
 > list. From todays point of view I wish I could make the whole
 > thing unhappen. I removed PalmLX from my homepage to prevent
 > further damage. This is my last contribution to this subject.
 >
 > Stefan

Stefan,

don't be too hard on yourself. You did what you did. It was a fine
joke. So where is the problem?

As I see it there are three groups of people on this list:

- Those who don't have any sense of humor at all.
- Those who constantly preach what can't be done for this and that
reason, and are negative about everything.
- And the "normal" rest.

It's too bad that apparently the first two groups are large and
exasperating enough to drive out fine people like Avi, Andreas and
others.

What the heck is the problem with some off-topic discussion? We are
doing this on Compuserve all the time, and the sense of community is
by far better than here. What is the problem with an occasional joke,
especially if it comes from one of the most talented and productive
programmers of this deceasing platform? Is it really necessare to
jump on everybody and everything which does not seem to be right for
you narrow-minded heads? Gosh, some of you are acting like a bunch of
kids. Can't you be a little bit more liberal and easy-going?

I'm sorry but this had to be said. Those who I am talking about will
recognize themselves, and to the others I apologize for the
bandwidth, which in my opinion is not wasted by this post!

Now go ahead and turn on the flame throwers, I can stand it.

"Was kratzt es die Eiche, wenn das Schwein sich an ihr reibt."

Tom
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:19:14 -0500, Ed Padin <ohdamnthathurts@YAHOO.COM> =
wrote:

 > I think it's important for the rest of us to understand that there =
will
 > always be idiots and there's not much you can do about it (from a =
distance,
 > anyway). Ya just gotta laugh at them, be glad you're not like them and =
send
 > their messages to /dev/null. But don't let them chase you away.

AMEN !!!

Tom
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Isn't the likely repository for the excess parts with Hal at
Thaddeus? I would think Hal would have already made an
inquiry with HP to buy all LX parts, equipment, etc. After
getting the case molds from HP surely Hal has to be HP's
first logical choice for the disposition of the rest.

Bob

 Bob Christopher  Littleton, Colorado USA  bob@palmtop.com
                      HP 200-LX Palmtop
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Would the most logical place for spare parts be Thadeus?   Yes.
Will HP sell them the parts?  More than likely not, because HP
first and foremost wants people who use the 200lx to buy a new
unit from HP.

Remember HP is in it for the money and they want your
money in the form of a new purchase.

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I think the Netscape 4.6 enterprise calendar is available for Linux.

I played with the Windows one briefly to transfer some stuff from the 200lx
to the Palm Pilot. Worked OK. (I later used a different solution.) But I
didn't play with it much. In the Windows version the calendar would work in
4.6 but not in 4.7 which would start and stall.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HPLX Mailing List Ýmailto:HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu¨On Behalf Of
> Joseph S. Barrera III
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:11 AM
> To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: PIM for Linux that plays well with HPLX?
>
>
> I've recently switch over from Windows (Win2K) to Linux (RedHat 7) and
> the one thing I haven't satisfactorily replaced yet is a good
> calandering program. I used to use Outlook, but that's obviously no
> longer an option.
>
> So while I'm looking for a good calendaring program, I might as well
> try to find one that plays well with the HPLX. Has anyone here already
> been down this road? If so, what have you chosen?
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Joe
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Well I certainly hope they don't sell ALL of the parts. I have another
year or so to go on my Express Exchange repair contract!

Larry F.


>
> Would the most logical place for spare parts be Thadeus?   Yes.
> Will HP sell them the parts?  More than likely not, because HP
> first and foremost wants people who use the 200lx to buy a new
> unit from HP.
>
> Remember HP is in it for the money and they want your
> money in the form of a new purchase.
>
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Hi all,

I've taken on a new job in advertising sales. The newspaper uses many paper
and "stubby pencil" methods and the sales people don't get computers (yet).

Quickly, the things that are driving me NUTS(!):

 - We sell ads at varying rates, based on contract or day of week ÝMANY rate
tables¨
 - FIFTEEN different "products" (all with different rates, per column inch).
 - Discounts for things that run w/in 6 days of the original advertisement
 - TRACKING my sales against monthly goals .... AND my commission changes,
if I meet those goals
 - Tracking the advertisements each customer runs; so they often say, "When
does that quarter page ad I bought, going to run?" (I can look that up *IF*
I'm in the office, but would like to do it on the road).

In a perfect world, I'd have the ability to check blocks that indicate
product and use of color or not (adds to the price) and have the program
look up their rate(s) and "do the math," so I can tell them, right away, how
much their advertisement would cost and how much they could save if they ran
again in 6 days.

I think I can do most of it in Lotus, but I don't know how to make records
(like a database w/ clients, their rates and advertisements) look things up
on a data table (in Lotus) and spit out results.

FAST example: Client says, "I'd like that 3 column by 4 inch ad, with one
color" ... I plug in "3 and 4" w/ an ASCII "x" between them and it spits out
"12 inches" Looks up and discovers the client has a contract for $1000 per
year and gets a rate of $12.69 per inch, instead of $14.06 ... so it would
spit out, "$152.28 Discount Possible: 91.37, if run again in 6 days, total:
243.65" Ýand have it keep a "secret" log of how I'm doing toward my goal in
several categories and show my commission before and after making goal¨.

Oh, and it would be wonderful if I could "schedule" the dates the ad were to
run and have those dates be associated w/ the client in their database,
perhaps in a notes field (and perhaps even have a "tickler" and tracker to
see how the ad is doing in the creation process (proof done, proof checked
by customer, final copy scheduled and committed, actually ran). The
"actually ran" column is important because the salesman doesn't get credit
or commission if the ad fails to run, even if ALL the "stubby pencil" forms
were filled out properly(!).

Is this possible w/ the LX?

I've been looking for commercial software that would do this (even the
Windows and Palm packages I find won't do this the way I need it). And, have
been thinking of doing something in BASIC (the only language where I've ever
had any formal training ... but I hated arrays :-(

Should I learn Perl, hire a programmer (so I can cry and snivel more and
even draw pictures), quit my job or GASP(!) just use the "stubby pencil"
method? "Everyone else is fine w/ handwritten records of their own creation,
why not you?" .... Accounting shows you THEIR database printout each month,
to show you how you did/didn't do w/ commission (haven't convinced anyone to
do a data export for me, even on a weekly basis) and you sit down and can
lose money w/o proof of their being wrong.

TIA for any help/thoughts/commiserating,

--tim

PS. This was as short as I could make it ..... hope this is still
appropriate for the list. I'd like nothing more than to do all of this w/ my
LX. I am further hindered by never having had to do anything fancy w/ *any*
spreadsheet.

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In a message dated 3/22/01 12:12:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,
inthegarden@CSI.COM writes:
<< BTW, Special thanks are due to Stefan, and the other programers, list
 maintainers over the years, and hackers, tweakers,  the list goes on and on.
Without your support of the 200lx, it would be much  less appealing. Without
your contributions to the list and the platform,  we'd be attracted to the
bright lights and 'lipstick'  of "looks good, but what can it do?" machines
that have flooded the market.
  In humble apprecication,
 Mike  inthegarden@csi.com >>

Amen, Mike.  Well said. Our collective indebtedness extends, of course  to
Hal , Avi, and countless others.  Many thanks,
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Andrew King wrote:
>
> >Subject: Re: MAGNIFY support
> >   Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:31:30 -0800
> >   From: Robert Briggs <Robert_Briggs@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
> >
> >It this is the Magnify program that was sold by Ace Technologies, I have my
> >original disk and manual here in front of me. I also have a fairly decent
> >scanner attached to the computer. According to the inside of the front
> >cover, the copyright holder is named Craig Payne. What can we legally do to
> >solve your problem?
>
> Robert
> That is the very program.
> I can find the disk so I suppose that would give me the right to
> copy the manual for my own use.
> However I should poke about a bit here before asking you to scan
> the manual for me.
> I will save your address though just in case.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Andrew King
> Ann Arbor Michigan
> technology is the answer, what was the question?
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Andrew! I too have the orig manual and disk (magnify) keep me inform.

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Tim wrote":
>       Subject: Tracking *A LOT* ÝAdvertising Sales (Lotus or ?)¨

<Snip>
         - We sell ads at varying rates, based on contract or day of week
ÝMANY rate
        tables¨
         - FIFTEEN different "products" (all with different rates, per
column inch).
        - Discounts for things that run w/in 6 days of the original
advertisement
        - TRACKING my sales against monthly goals .... AND my commission
changes,
        if I meet those goals
        - Tracking the advertisements each customer runs; so they often say,
"When
        does that quarter page ad I bought, going to run?" (I can look that
up *IF*
        I'm in the office, but would like to do it on the road).

<Snip>
        > I think I can do most of it in Lotus, but I don't know how to make
records
        (like a database w/ clients, their rates and advertisements) look
things up
        on a data table (in Lotus) and spit out results.

        Is this possible w/ the LX?
<Snip>

Tim,

As someone who once (1988) implemented a somewhat comparable (Registered
Accountant approved) company administration package in MS-Works , using a
set of dumb macro's, I would say : YES. period.

It might be done in the native LX's Lotus spreadsheet, but a simple Database
program would make a better choice IMHO.

Question 1: What will you win by doing it on he LX.( in professional terms:
What is your Business Case )

Question 2: How often are the rate and discount tables updated? - you will
need to copy those updates manually on the LX - no errors allowed. Are you
willing to do that?

What you WILL need before you start is:

An unwavering discipline to backup the stuff, preferably after every sale,
preferably double ( Flashcard or PC, and Print) . Your DATA is your Proof is
your income. And save one copy in the office, take one home ( Unless you
work from home, then lock a copy burnproof away - no joking, it is your
income. ) Or, on the road, one copy in your breast pocket - LX's are easily
stolen.

Most is simple a good speadsheet containing all variables, plus the
computation factors, and columns with a Y/N . A LOT of columns for
intermediate results you might not use - if computations change, changing a
formula of the form Rate1*Discount5 is a lot easier then (
R1*D5-A7/(@A3/@B6)*(D5*F9)) ...

 Should maybe take a good days work for an experienced spreadsheet
programmer . The problem starts when NEW data arrives, and your tables grow.
This takes some tricky programming.

( And then a good Print Routine making  output look like a Time Honoured
handwritten record. Alas..)

What you might want to use is a decent small DOS database program, so you
can keep a separate record for every sale, and consolidate in print records.
Just put Y/N in the appropriate boxes in a record, and presto, the result.
Still, it is a one to two days work for someone with experience.
Note that once the concept is done well, moving to a different DB is easy.

And one very important issue: Never check for Equals Zero if you use
floating point numbers. 44 - (44/3) -(44/3) -(44/3) is NOT Zero!

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Chris Lott wrote:
>
> What does the error message:
>
> "Fatal Error: fixed string field"
>
> indicate normally when you run gdbio?  I am now getting this when I try
> to extract from my appt book.  I have successfully done this in the past
> without this error message, so maybe my file is corrupted somehow.

A ADB file has a slightly different structure than GDB/NDB/PDB files,
so I guess you should use adbioÝ1¨ instead of gdbio or maybe you want
to take a look at my Perl moduleÝ2¨.  I guess you're using this for
your HP2REX application?

References:
Ý1¨ http://www.palmtop.net/cgi-bin/search.pl?Query=adbio
Ý2¨ http://search.cpan.org/search?mode=module&query=hp200lx

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Well, I think...
It will be confirmed if you receive this message ! ;-)

As said in some of my previous messages, the problem was
due by the lack of a DCD line in most of the GSM cables,
causing Goin'Postal to abort connexion just after displaying
the "CONNECT 9600" message.

Knowing that Daniel's designed cables are not subject to this
problem, I made used the same principle : simulate an always
high DCD line, by connecting the wire to the VC+ ### of the
MAX3232 chip included in the original GSM<->PC cable.


That's for the theorical part. Easy...
Practicaly, you have to replace totaly the 5 wires original
cable by a 6 wires (or more) cable, and solder directly the
DCD wire on the SSOP chip...
Particulary stressing when you have paid the cable about $40...

But now, I have a perfect 10cm cable, which I can always cary
in my pockets... :-)

Unfortunately, don't have a good camera, so I have not taken
pictures of the process. Maybe another time...


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Joseph S. Barrera III wrote:
> I've recently switch over from Windows (Win2K) to Linux (RedHat 7) and

Good choice.

> So while I'm looking for a good calendaring program, I might as well
> try to find one that plays well with the HPLX.

Which PIM's do you have in mind?  There are no direct paths for
them yet but I'll try to help to make import/export a reality.

> Has anyone here already
> been down this road? If so, what have you chosen?

I'm on this road too but I didn't settle for any free Unix/open
source PIM yet.

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Jacques Belin wrote:

> Well, I think...
> It will be confirmed if you receive this message ! ;-)

Good work!  Might I suggest you send the instructions to Daniel for
his website on 200LX with cell phones?

Ted

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Hear! Hear!

This is post of the month--no way it should be labeled fluff!

Ted


On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Michael Inaba wrote:

> Just a few comments
> from a lucky lurker (lucky because I get to witness all the
> brilliance of certain list contributors, lurker because I have comparatively
> little to share)...
>      The 200lx is dated. Sure. It still does most anything you might need to
> do with data- from entry through manipulation, to reporting.
>      This list still has members who have helped me through their
> programs and personal communications. Generous, bright, friendly people.
>
> Who cares if Palm envy strikes a dissonant chord on the list once in awhile?
> I think it's cool that I can use a machine so far beyond it's planned
> obsolesence in the face of Palm users who are largely caught up in color
> screens and other "curb appeal" type non-functional issues. I use my LX in
> the outdoors, in difficult environmental conditions, with great screen
> clarity (try color screens outside... you'll be squinting, turning, etc.)
> and easy data entry _ especially the numeric keypad (HP brilliance!). I
> sometimes think that I should just get rid of the 200LX, but I always come
> back to the knowledge that I won't find a numeric keypad equipped- use for
> hours and hours (or days) without battery charging- outside legible screen,
> shock resistant cased, kick_ass number cruncher without having to engineer
> one for myself. The 200lx can't be beat for these things. If some LX ers
> need to run PalmOS apps, just use the two machines- they're both small
> enough.
>
> BTW, Special thanks are due to Stefan, and the other programers, list
> maintainers over the years, and hackers, tweakers,
> the
> list goes on and on. Without your support of the 200lx, it would be much
> less appealing. Without your contributions to the list and the platform,
> we'd be attracted to the bright lights and 'lipstick'
> of "looks good, but what can it do?" machines that have flooded the market.
>
> In humble apprecication,
> Mike
> inthegarden@csi.com

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Feher Tamas wrote:
> Any interesting in below URL for LX and DOS5? It is in german, that's
> why I ask.
>
> <http://www.harddiskcafe.de/projekte_dos_asm.html>

Looks like a collection of code snippets and little tools that a
programmer collected and dumped when finally abandoned MS-DOS.

There are a few graphics routines and drivers for Sound Blaster,
Gravis Soundcards, mice, hard discs, as well a few Fido tools.
I guess, there's not much to be found for the HP-LX.

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Tim wrote:

> And, have
> been thinking of doing something in BASIC (the only language where I've ever
> had any formal training ... but I hated arrays :-(

   BASIC is just as good as any other language for simple stuff.
Go for it.  Try doing it in BASIC, then try it in Lotus.  As you
find out things that are easy in one, you will be encouraged to
find out how to do that in the other.  You WILL learn to like
arrays! <g>

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Hi Al at al ;-)

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:40:20 -0500, Al Kind <MCHEM1@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU> wrote:

> I regret that I have let things get so out of hand, and I hope you will all
> accept my apologies for not being a more diligent LIST moderator. If you
> have any comments about my LIST management, please Email them privately to
> albert.kind@uconn.edu.

It's a shame that moderating this list got necessary. But I'm sure you
do your best. Thanks a lot!
Maybe we all could take this as a warning. We are all responsible for
keeping this list alive. I understand that often one feels better if
one makes his opinion public instead of writing it just to the person
for which it is relevant. But Sometimes this is the wrong way. It only
starts more flames and we have something like an avalanche effect here.
So please be a little bit more tolerant on the one side and careful
with your opinions on the other side; just as it was the case before.
Then everyone will be lucky and Al Kind doesn't have so much trouble.
He surely has other things to do.

GTX
daniel

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On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:20:34 -0600, Thomas Rundel <rundel-d@RUNDEL-D.COM> wrote:

> "Was kratzt es die Eiche, wenn das Schwein sich an ihr reibt."

Jawoll!

I bet due to these annoying flame wars here on this list many people
who come along and consider to join the list for a longer time will
leave again as fast as they subscribed! Although they might be a good
source of information even to us long-time users.

And - be honest - only because we don't have so much useful things to
discuss anymore (because almost everything IS discussed now) it is NOT
necessary to switch over to flame wars!

I'll go to Cebit next week and see how far the Bluetooth people are.
Maybe I can report about a little Buetooth module like this one Stefan
described a few months ago which could work in the LX!

Then we have a new topic for long, long discussions!

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:11:21 +0100
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    Hello all,

Even though it seems like I may be able to dis/re-cover at least the
skeleton of sources for an already written MC68000 emulator for 16-bit
x86 (don't bet on it), speed would obviously be abismally slow.

However, what is the size of a Pilot mainboard? If it can be tailored
to fit in PCMCIA footprint, we could use it as a plug-in card and have
programs running on real PalmIIIc/MC68328, but using kbd and LCD and
serial I/O, etc. of the LX. A smaller scale programmer effort would
only be needed. And hardware modifications (gutting screen-cracked
Pilots + zipping them into PCMCIA cases) could be new business for
T2T. I guess the mystical X-cpu mode of LX should be feasible, or is
that only for x86 replacements?

I know that long ago there was something called IBM PC XT/370, which
was a regular XT, complete with an extra triad of full-lenght ISA-8
expansion cards, which hosted 2 x MC68000+1 x i8087 and some 4MB RAM.
These allowed the XT to run most of S/370 mainframe programs
unchanged, albeit a bit slow. Actually I have an XT complete with such
hardware, only the OS extension progs are missing... Could it be used
as a developer platform? There was also AT/370, very similar but with
ISA-16 cards.

    Sincerely Yours, Tamas Feher.

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Feher Tamas wrote:

> However, what is the size of a Pilot mainboard? If it can be
> tailored to fit in PCMCIA footprint, we could use it as a
> plug-in card and have programs running on real
> PalmIIIc/MC68328, but using kbd and LCD and serial I/O, etc.
> of the LX.

I recently opened up my IIIx to check on the damage caused by a
battery leak (looks like using rechargable alkalines was a _bad_
idea).  The mainboard is significantly larger than a Type II PC
Card, and I think the thickness may exceed it too.  Not sure
about the V series, but I suspect similar results.  And we
haven't looked at power draw yet...

All in all, re-engineering any Palm mainboard into a Type II
coprocessor card would be an _extreme_ amount of effort, and
probably not worth it.  (Yeah, I sound like them naysayers, but
I'm pretty sure I'm being _very_ realistic here.)

> I guess the mystical X-cpu mode of LX should be feasible, or
> is that only for x86 replacements?

What's "X-CPU mode"?

> I know that long ago there was something called IBM PC XT/370

Heck, even before that, ISTR several coprocessor boards for the
Apple II, and probably just about any personal computer with
expansion slots.

Interesting that the coprocessor board concept seems to have all
but disappeared from the personal computer scene; I'm guessing
it just got too expensive to continue manufacturing them.

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:40:20 -0500, Al Kind <MCHEM1@UCONNVM.UCONN.EDU> wrote:
>
> > I regret that I have let things get so out of hand, and I hope you will all
> > accept my apologies for not being a more diligent LIST moderator. If you
> > have any comments about my LIST management, please Email them privately to
> > albert.kind@uconn.edu.
>
> It's a shame that moderating this list got necessary. But I'm sure you
> do your best. Thanks a lot!

Al Kind isn't moderating the list. To do that he would have to either ban
users or moderate messages (ie read and approve them before they were sent
to the list). Neither has, to the best of my knowledge, happened and it
would require a huge amount of work due to the high volume on this list.
The change shouldn't really affect anyone who knows how to deal with
mailing-lists and takes care when replying to messages. It will only
affect those who mindlessly hit reply and don't seem to care where the
message ends up (ie either in private mail or on the list) or don't take a
few seconds to glance at the To: or Cc: field in their mail headers. This
does seem to be quite a number of people, however.


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> affect those who mindlessly hit reply and don't seem to care where the
> message ends up (ie either in private mail or on the list) or don't take
a
> few seconds to glance at the To: or Cc: field in their mail headers. This
> does seem to be quite a number of people, however.

Amen .... READ and EDIT are four-letter words to them.

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> I recently opened up my IIIx to check on the damage caused by a
> battery leak (looks like using rechargable alkalines was a _bad_
> idea).

Ditto with my wife's TI-86 calculator using Renew rechargeable alkalines.
At least two cells had leaked, tho fortunately we had caught it early.

Never had this problem with NiCad or NiMH in my LX ... the latter of which
has been in the battery compartment long enough to classify as permanent
equipment.

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On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, KenLondon wrote:

> This indicates you weren't attributing the right quote to me.  If you
> are going to slam me at least get your imformation correct.

Actually, I think his information was pretty much correct, Ken.  You did
have an argument (or at least a discussion in which you disagreed with
several of his points) with Avi about the abandonware issue.  See, for
instance, your first "More on abandonware" post on 16 Feb 2001.

Which brings up another point.  The post I just referred to was formatted
very nicely.  You quoted a bit of Avi's message, replied to it underneath
it, and then repeated that format all the way to the end of the message.0
This is how almost all good messages are written, in a "point by point
response" format.  However, a couple of your recent posts have included
multi-layered quotes of several large messages, all fully quoted inside
your message, and at the very end of these lengthy messages are your
comments, which consist of only two or three lines.  In cases like that,
it would be much better for you to either judiciously snip the unnecessary
text, or not quote at all.  It's bad etiquette to unnecessarily quote
large numbers of lines at all, since many people reading this list get it
on cell phones or other mobile devices, often reading it on the 200LX, and
large messages can be very expensive (and slow to download).  It's worse
etiquette to quote large numbers of lines and then put your response at
the very end, forcing everybody to scroll all the way to the bottom of the
message to read what you have to say.  And worst of all is when your
response is only one or two lines after all those lines of quoted text; in
effect, what should have been a 1K message has been turned into a 4K or
larger message.  Please, quote judiciously!  It's good advice for all of
us, especially considering we just had a list member leave because he gets
his email via cell phone and can no longer justify the expense of
receiving this list, what with the fluff and arguments and whatnot we've
had recently.  Who else might we lose if we aren't prudent in our posting?

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Michael Inaba wrote:

> Special thanks are due to Stefan, and the other programers,
> list maintainers over the years, and hackers, tweakers, the
> list goes on and on. Without your support of the 200lx, it
> would be much less appealing. Without your contributions to
> the list and the platform, we'd be attracted to the bright
> lights and 'lipstick' of "looks good, but what can it do?"
> machines that have flooded the market.

You are absolutely right, and we need to remind ourselves of
this more often, especially in light of the recent frivolous
discord On this list.

> In humble apprecication,

Me, too,
 - George

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On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 at 09:32:00 -0600
Theodore Heise <theise@NETINS.NET> wrote:

> What sort of win percentages are folks achieving with
> Klondike?  I was up to 12.4% last week, but just dropped
> under 12.  I've played a bit over 800 games.

At this point, I've played 994 games and won 13.8%, placing
an average of 12.8 cards.  In the first 500 games, it was
13.4% and 12.4 cards.  I think the reason it is easier has to
do with my discovery at some point that you can move cards
from one pile to another, e.g. You can move a read 5 from one
black 6 to the other black 6.  This makes it possible to place
more cards.

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:57:06 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote:

Daniel

> And - be honest - only because we don't have so much useful things to
> discuss anymore (because almost everything IS discussed now) it is NOT
> necessary to switch over to flame wars!

I am sorry if I have taken part of flaming. I just did not get Stefan's
joke. I have apoligised to Barry in private for my reply to him to the
list. My mail _was_ funny I see that now :-).

But I have seen things on this list in the past that amazes me. People
here come up with programs/solution sometimes in minutes. Thats why I
did not get Stefan's joke..:-)

> I'll go to Cebit next week and see how far the Bluetooth people are.

Arg I would really liked to be there. I have seen a lot of newsflashes
from Cebit. A lot of gadgets that I just have to have :-)

> Maybe I can report about a little Buetooth module like this one Stefan
> described a few months ago which could work in the LX!

Yes please do. Try to test the new Gprs Nokia 6310. It can do Highspeed
_and_ gprs and BT.

> Then we have a new topic for long, long discussions!

I will be here waiting :-)

New topic:

I have now gotten the latest version of Hp2rex to work. Everything
works great. But is it possible to sort the notes with ndb2rex before
they are transferred so that they are in alphabetical order on the Rex?

Regards

--
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Le Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:13:20 -0600
Theodore Heise <theise@NETINS.NET> a =E9crit:

> Good work!  Might I suggest you send the instructions to Daniel for
> his website on 200LX with cell phones?

I would like to, but as I said, I don't taken pictures. And without them,
it would be dificult to explain some of the changes I made... :(


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Longden Loo a =E9crit:
> > I recently opened up my IIIx to check on the damage caused by a
> > battery leak (looks like using rechargable alkalines was a _bad_
> > idea).
>=20
> Ditto with my wife's TI-86 calculator using Renew rechargeable alkali=
nes.
> At least two cells had leaked, tho fortunately we had caught it early=
.
>=20
> Never had this problem with NiCad or NiMH in my LX ... the latter of =
which
> has been in the battery compartment long enough to classify as perman=
ent
> equipment.

One more "me too" on renew rechareables leaking.
I've gone and replaced them all with cheap Chinese NiMH batteries,
none of which I've had any problems with.
They feed my HP-LX, my kids' gameboys, and my digital camera (which is
what the renews leaked all over). Oh, and a separate pair leaked over
my recharger.

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Date:         Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:56:25 -0500
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From:         "Joe H. Smith" <hplxmail@YAHOO.COM>
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  Nathalie Bugeaud ably wrote:
> i was fooled into going out and buying PALM software.
> anyone has a Palm who wants to buy it off me?

I'll buy anything off you. What are we starting with? What are
you offering?

> > Maybe they were beaten with rubber chickens as children.
>
> that's me! :) :) :)

Care to continue with more civilied implements? :->

  Joe

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"sentiments"... You just add more fire!¨


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Ken London repeatedly wrote after much bandwidth-abusive,
unnecessary, and tiresome quoting:

> But what is sold at staples will run on the palm, alot of
> dos software will not run on the 200lx as I found out the
> hard way.

First allow me to apologize for that! I never wrote anything
that ran on the Palmtop (or did not run on the Palmtop, for
that matter!) but I apologize anyway, in advance, in case at
some point in the future you will demand that.

Secondly, you (yawn) wrote that not every DOS program runs on
the Palmtop. Correct! I am sure it will stun you to know the
Palmtop (200LX) has a 80186 cpu inside. Not ALL DOS programs
were written to run on that cpu. Perhaps you never read Ed
Keefe's message that ALL the programs on the CD _DO_ run on
the Palmtop. Well, you should read it, and again, I apologize
that I must point that out to you.

I will really delighted when you stop quoting everything so
tediously including the signature lines, the line added by the
listservers, and everything in between whether relevant or
not. Your messages seem to have a noise to useful content
ratio or about 100 to 1. Maybe you can do something about it
please?

I hope you do not take this as a flame - you really behave
like an inconsiderate bully, thus deserve the critique.

   Joe


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I wellcome of any actions Al feels he needs to take concerning
the list.  Remember, the danger isn't that flame wars will break
out and annoy all of us, the real danger is that running the
list will ANNOY AL enough that he won't host the list.

HPLX-L is a terrific (and FREE) resource; let's not shoot the
golden goose.

Thanks Al!  Your efforts ARE appreciated!!

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I guess I cheat; after I've exhausted the possibility of winning
by turning over 3 cards at a time I continue by pressing "O" to
turn them over 1 at a time.  My win percentage is probably
closer to 40% but I don't remember because I don't follow it as
closely as I do for FreeCell wins.

Cheers... Russ    (Over 1300 FC wins, only 1 (impossible) loss.)

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"Joe H. Smith" wrote:

> Perhaps you never read Ed
> Keefe's message that ALL the programs on the CD _DO_ run on
> the Palmtop. Well, you should read it, and again, I apologize
> that I must point that out to you.

I had alot of trouble getting the CD infobase to work.  For some
reason the computers I had didn't like running that particular CD.....
so for me nothing on their would run on the 200lx.  Finally gave up,
didn't have further time to waste on it, I needed something that was
going to run right away out of the box.

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Hi there....

ÝThanks to the list for the replies so far¨

Quick answers to the questions...

>Question 1: What will you win by doing it on he LX.( in professional terms:
>What is your Business Case )

The company isn't supplying laptops yet and it would be handy to have this
on a pocket-portable device to enter data and compute answers for customers
throughout the day AND have more than half of the paperwork and 99% of the
"keep your own records to compare w/ the accountants who pay you at the end
of the month" would be done. Also, I'd have the answers to many questions
WITH me, instead of calling an assistant.

>Question 2: How often are the rate and discount tables updated? - you will
>need to copy those updates manually on the LX - no errors allowed. Are you
>willing to do that?

Annually and I can either do this, or perhaps get SOME of them on disk. I'm
willing to do this by hand, because the tables aren't THAT big Ý15 levels of
contract on one w/ 4 rate columns for each level ... that seems to be the
"deepest" of them ... typed that one in last night in just a few minutes --
it was easy to type the table in Excel and both save it as a .WK1 and export
it to my Palm, for quick reference ... only have a free spreadsheet viewer
for Palm, can't make edits¨.

>It might be done in the native LX's Lotus spreadsheet, but a simple
Database
>program would make a better choice IMHO.

Would a simple database "do the math"? I've heard you can use Access and
it'll do the math for you, unless you get too elaborate (BUT we are
basically talking about multiplication, percentages and addition here).

>What you WILL need before you start is:
>An unwavering discipline to backup the stuff, preferably after every sale,
>....

Well, maybe several times a day :-)

I believe in your "save many copies," and in several locations, advice.

OK, here's where I expose my "advanced spreadsheet" ignorance....

>...a good speadsheet containing all variables, plus the
>computation factors, and columns with a Y/N .

How do you have a Y/N variable work w/ Lotus to say ... "Contract Y/N" and
then go to "If yes, $1000 Y/N; if yes, rates are in rate row #2; if no,
$5,000 Y/N ..... If <<CONTRACT>> No, then rate is in Open Rate row #1" and
then do some math .... AND store the results w/ a date ad is to run THAT can
be looked up, when you look up that client?

Whew! Is that convoluted enough?  ÝÝis there a way to have a "Contract Y/N?,
if Y, which one; if no, use Rate1"?¨¨

When you mention:
> ... intermediate results you might not use ...
> a formula of the form Rate1*Discount5 .....

I'm guessing that means you can name things (ranges?) that "Rate1" can cause
Lotus to refer to and use again.

Oh, and the discount is pretty simple, 99% of the time it's "Run the same
ad, within 6 days and get a 40% discount except Sunday is never discounted."
Is The version of Lotus on our LXs "smart" enough to figure out days of the
week (from a date) in 2001 and beyond?

>The problem starts when NEW data arrives, and your tables grow.
>This takes some tricky programming.

Had an ODDBALL thrown at us today, where they're allowing a special discount
for churches in our area to run (for example) 15 inches at a rate that would
be equiv. to the "theoretical" (prob. never used) figure of 7.75 inches
Ýthey're getting a certain amount free ... the "easy" way is to enter the
number of inches and dollar value WE'RE given toward our goals (luckily the
dollar value toward goal & commission AND that charged to the client is the
same!)¨.

>What you might want to use is a decent small DOS database program

dBaseIII?

I'd like a spiffy interface and lots of ways to look up data and do
calculations (many based on those tables) .... i.e., be able to work up the
ad cost and still say ... "You know, if you think you'll run this ad 10
times in a year, you can save $274, with an advertising agreement to run at
the $1,000/year spending rate"?

Now, I can do that, in front of them, on paper they can keep; so I don't
NEED the LX to do everything for me, but it would be cool!

TIA, again for everyone who's peeking at and tinkering w/ this!!

--tim

PS. Here are just the first few lines from the "deepest" table, so folks can
see what I'm talking about (I think I've got the lines short enough that
anyone w/ a proportional font can see what I'm using -- the "classified"
rates below, are for those "pretty" <graphical> ads inserted into the
classified section -- all are dollars per column-inch of the ad. <number of
columns x number of inches "tall">):

                  Retail                 Classified
            Daily       Sunday       Daily       Sunday
Open Rate   14.06       14.87        11.18        11.77
1000        12.69       13.71         9.14        9.86
5000        12.48       13.47         9.07        9.81

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ian Butler wrote:

> See, for
> instance, your first "More on abandonware" post on 16 Feb 2001.

Found no such post dated 16 Feb 2001.

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Thomas,

Thanks for saying what you said.  I agree completely!

One of the many "normal" lurkers. (G)    =Bob=


> Stefan,
>
> don't be too hard on yourself. You did what you did. It was a fine
> joke. So where is the problem?
>
> As I see it there are three groups of people on this list:
>
> - Those who don't have any sense of humor at all.
> - Those who constantly preach what can't be done for this and that
> reason, and are negative about everything.
> - And the "normal" rest.
>
> It's too bad that apparently the first two groups are large and
> exasperating enough to drive out fine people like Avi, Andreas and
> others.
>
> What the heck is the problem with some off-topic discussion? We are
> doing this on Compuserve all the time, and the sense of community is
> by far better than here. What is the problem with an occasional joke,
> especially if it comes from one of the most talented and productive
> programmers of this deceasing platform? Is it really necessare to
> jump on everybody and everything which does not seem to be right for
> you narrow-minded heads? Gosh, some of you are acting like a bunch of
> kids. Can't you be a little bit more liberal and easy-going?
>
> I'm sorry but this had to be said. Those who I am talking about will
> recognize themselves, and to the others I apologize for the
> bandwidth, which in my opinion is not wasted by this post!
>
> Now go ahead and turn on the flame throwers, I can stand it.
>
> Tom
> www.rundel.net/palmtop
>

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        Robert Briggs ably wrote:
> It this is the Magnify program that was sold by Ace Technologies, I have my
> original disk and manual here in front of me. I also have a fairly decent
> scanner attached to the computer. According to the inside of the front
> cover, the copyright holder is named Craig Payne. What can we legally do to
> solve your problem?

What problem? D&A Software now sells the program and if Andy
needs a manual he can write to them! Thei address is
info@dasoft.com - check out their Webpage at
http://www.dasoft.com

Craig is the author of the program. The program was sold
by ACE and was "inherited" by D&A according to Avi's posts
here and in HPHAND, when ACE Tech folded. I purchased my copy
from D&A Software.

  Joe

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HPLX Mailing List Ýmailto:HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu¨On Behalf Of
> Andrew King
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 5:35 AM
> To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Re: MAGNIFY support
>
> hplxmail@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >         Andrew King ably wrote:
> > > Andrew King (still trying to figure out MAGNIFY)
> >
> > Did you try to write to support@dasoft.com? I had a problem
> > with Magnify (eons ago!) and it got solved forthwith.
> >
> Actually it's more a question of finding the manual and spending
> half an hour with it. I wouldn't want to cast doubt on DAsoft's
> support services, the problem has much more to do with my
> tendency to undertake many more projects than I have time for.
>
> --
> Andrew King
> Ann Arbor Michigan
> technology is the answer, what was the question?
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Al Kind ably wrote:
> It seems that despite my warnings, the "flaming" on the HPLX-L refuse to
> stop. I have decided to change the list attributes such that replies no
> longer go to the HPLX-L by default. I realize this will stifle discussions,

What exactly does it mean? In my email program I can specify
that my replies will go to hplx-l@ etc... will they arrive?

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Laust Brock-Nannestad ably wrote:
> It will only
> affect those who mindlessly hit reply and don't seem to care where the
> message ends up (ie either in private mail or on the list) or don't take a
> few seconds to glance at the To: or Cc: field in their mail headers. This
> does seem to be quite a number of people, however.

Bingo, as they say in the glorious Ol' USofA! The mindless,
abusive, inconsiderate will find their messages absent of the
list and not bothering others. Well put! Thanks.

  Joe.


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KenLondon ably wrote:
> "Joe H. Smith" wrote:
>
> > Ken London ably wrote:
> > > They won't just dump them in the trash, they
> > > will want to get some sort of monetary benefit like that in the form of
> > > an income tax deduction.
> >
> > And you had troubles understanding Avi's POV on abandonware?
> > Curious.
> >
>
> This indicates you weren't attributing the right quote to me.
> If you are going to slam me at least get your imformation
> correct.

It would be lovely if you took your own advice. Your
unthinking answers keep piling deeper and deeper. Kindly
review the information below and then kindly eat your words -
or maybe just shut up!

Here is your post:

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   Date:         Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:53:00 -0500
   From:         Ken London <KenLondon@BELD.NET>
   Subject:      Re: Excess parts
   To:           HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu

   Someone was asking what HP will do with the excess 200lx
   parts. Most likely they will donate the parts to a trade
   school somewhere and call it a charitable deduction on their
   income taxes.  Or they will donate to a charity like the
   Salvation Army.  Many companies will do this type of thing
   when they eliminate old inventories of parts and equipment.
   They won't just dump them in the trash, they will want to get
   some sort of monetary benefit like that in the form of an
   income tax deduction.

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You posted this on March 20, 2001. Of course, you probably
don't remember that you wrote it (too much strain on that ol'
brain!) Well, here is a reminder. You seem to be
extraordinarily blocked in the topic of quoting, not just
inconsiderate, but outright uninformed!

Check towards the bottom of your post and you will find the
words you said which I repeated faithfully in my quote.

My point to you, if you care (or can) to open your mind a tiny
slit and listen, is that you recognize well the issues of tax
benefits and old inventory. What is curious to me is that you
gave Avi such a hard time when he was talking about these
issues with respect to old programs.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled monitoring of the
cuckoo's nest and its occupant, Mr Ken London <g>

  Joe


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Russ wrote:

> Remember, the danger isn't that flame wars will break
> out and annoy all of us, the real danger is that running the > list will ANNOY AL enough that he won't host the list.
>


If now Al hasn't time to "police" the list, why can't he
appoint a co-listowner?


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Hi Jaques,

On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 01:18:00 +0100, Jacques Belin <jbelin@ALTERN.ORG> wrote:

> > Good work!  Might I suggest you send the instructions to Daniel for
> > his website on 200LX with cell phones?
>
> I would like to, but as I said, I don't taken pictures. And without them,
> it would be dificult to explain some of the changes I made... :(

Don't worry - I'll add these informations about the DCD line issue to
my web page as soon as I can. I don't think pictures are necessary.

Thanks a lot!

daniel


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Hi Martin

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:11:36 -0500, Martin Bergvill <martin@MOBILPOST.COM> wrote:

> Arg I would really liked to be there. I have seen a lot of newsflashes
> from Cebit. A lot of gadgets that I just have to have :-)

:-)

Is by chance someone of you all going to go to Cebit on Tuesday? Maybe
we can meet?!

> Yes please do. Try to test the new Gprs Nokia 6310. It can do Highspeed
> _and_ gprs and BT.

I'll see if I have a chance to try it.

> I have now gotten the latest version of Hp2rex to work. Everything
> works great. But is it possible to sort the notes with ndb2rex before
> they are transferred so that they are in alphabetical order on the Rex?

Theoretically it could be MADE possible. It isn't yet.
I also wish it would be possible, but it is not easy to implement that.

If someone wants to do it, please do (my ndb2rex is open source). I
don't think that I have the time to implement alphabetical sorting.

GTX
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Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
FAST example: Client says, "I'd like that 3 column by 4 inch ad,
with one color" ... I plug in "3 and 4" w/ an ASCII "x" between
them and it spits out "12 inches" Looks up and discovers the
client has a contract for $1000 per year and gets a rate of
$12.69 per inch, instead of $14.06 ... so it would spit out,
"$152.28 Discount Possible: 91.37, if run again in 6 days,
total: 243.65" Ýand have it keep a "secret" log of how I'm doing
toward my goal in several categories and show my commission
before and after making goal¨.

Oh, and it would be wonderful if I could "schedule" the dates
the ad were to run and have those dates be associated w/ the
client in their database, perhaps in a notes field (and perhaps
even have a "tickler" and tracker to see how the ad is doing in
the creation process (proof done, proof checked by customer,
final copy scheduled and committed, actually ran). The "actually
ran" column is important because the salesman doesn't get credit
or commission if the ad fails to run, even if ALL the "stubby
pencil" forms were filled out properly(!).
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Somehow I missed this on the last digest and I didn't know about
it till I saw the reply from Michael Bel.

I agree with Michael that this will be difficult for an
innexperienced 123 programmer to set up and make useful.
However, I think if you do have access to a good 123 macro
programmer, or if you are one yourself, this can be done very
nicely.

One possibility would be to list your clients seperately.  Say
in the LXs database.  Look them up and pop back and forth
between that and your calculator in 123, cutting and pasting or
just typing values from the database record into 123.  That
should be fairly easy to do and while it isn't elegant, it
should be fairly easy to use.

This would also be a good app for dBase or Paradox.  In fact
they are probably the better choice.  But again, you need an
experienced programmer.  Unless you're pretty stubborn.  :)

Some of the old flat file programs could be made to do a lot of
this.  Q&A, for example, had enough math to do a most of what
you ask, and maybe all of it.  And that's something that the
average intelligent person can use themselves fairly well.

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Feher Tamas wrote:
> However, what is the size of a Pilot mainboard? If it can
> be tailored to fit in PCMCIA footprint, we could use it as
> a plug-in card and have programs running on real
> PalmIIIc/MC68328, but using kbd and LCD and
> serial I/O, etc. of the LX. A smaller scale programmer

Does the programmer have to be smaller to slip into the PCMCIA
slot with the card so he can see the screen?  :)

> effort would only be needed. And hardware modifications
> (gutting screen-cracked Pilots + zipping them into
> PCMCIA cases) could be new business for T2T. I guess
> the mystical X-cpu mode of LX should be feasible, or is
> that only for x86 replacements?

What is the X-cpu mode?  I haven't heard of this before.

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Someone wrote:
> Ken London repeatedly wrote after much bandwidth-abusive,
> unnecessary, and tiresome quoting:

and ended with:
> I hope you do not take this as a flame - you really behave
> like an inconsiderate bully, thus deserve the critique.

What kind of talk is this?

If you disagree, say so.  If someone displeases you, say so.
But use a little courtesy.  We all deserve that from you.  As
you do from each of us.

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> Subject: Re: Magnify Manual
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:16:42 -0800
> From: USER 1 <camba1@PACBELL.NET>
>
> Andrew! I too have the orig manual and disk (magnify) keep me inform.
>
>             --------------Bob Elliott jr

I just thought I'd point out that this is the second offer of
assistance I have recieved after just mentioning that I might
have a problem.
Even with the occasional flames this list is still well worth
reading.

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Andrew King
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"Joe H. Smith" wrote:

> My point to you, if you care (or can) to open your mind a tiny
> slit and listen, is that you recognize well the issues of tax
> benefits and old inventory. What is curious to me is that you
> gave Avi such a hard time when he was talking about these
> issues with respect to old programs.

This indicates to me that you are attributing the wrong quote to
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> Heck, even before that, ISTR several coprocessor boards for the
> Apple II, and probably just about any personal computer with
> expansion slots.
>
> Interesting that the coprocessor board concept seems to have all
> but disappeared from the personal computer scene; I'm guessing
> it just got too expensive to continue manufacturing them.

I have an Osborne computer in the basement that has an ms-dos (early
version, no doubt) that allowed the Osborne to boot to MS-dos and run
dos versions of Wordstar and other programs.  The main issue back then
was getting the video/cursor addressing issues sorted out!

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> If now Al hasn't time to "police" the list, why can't he
> appoint a co-listowner?

Maybe no one's stepped up to volunteer for the "honor"?

Or even worse, maybe all the volunteers are the ones that need policing?

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mchem1@uconnvm.uconn.edu ably wrote:
> The intent is to STOP the automatic reply of messages to the HPLX-L
> that might be better suited for personal communication.

Thank you. I agree that the list is in a sad shape. I hope the
move you made will help.

   Joe


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        Ken London ably wrote:
> I had alot of trouble getting the CD infobase to work.  For some

It does not sound reasonable to judge the ENTIRE collection of
1500 or so programs and files by the faulty installation
program. Perhaps a more appropriate statement from you should
be that you never really had a chance to try any of the
programs and you have no idea if they work on the palmtop or
not.

As it stands, you left the impression that the programs did
not work. The reality is you could not try them even.

  Joe


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Date:         Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:11:03 -0600
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From:         Tim <palmtop@N-LINK.COM>
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(Hi Barry)
re:
>... you need an experienced programmer.  Unless you're
>pretty stubborn.  :)

Well I'm stubborn, but prob. don't have the time to keep hitting my head on
the table ;-)

>Q&A, for example, had enough math to do a most.....

I've never used Q&A, is it hard to find/hard to use?

Oops, you said, the "average intelligent person" can use it well ... ummm, I
may be able to PRETEND I'm intelligent and maybe the program can pretend
it's easy ;-)

Is Q&A often on eBay, or should I stick to other places to look?

Thanks!

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Date:         Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:32:05 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Hansen" <n2vip@bellatlantic.net>
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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Pilot emulation by hardware is the real thing: use of
X-CPU,mode?


> When co-processors where popular, there was an active market for more than
> one platform.
>
> The Apple had a Z-80 card that could run CP/M software.
>
> The Mac had a piece of hardware that was a PC/XT ina Mac Plus-sized case,
> that had all I/O routed through the Mac Plus.
>
> Sun sold a card with "half" a PC on it (no video, I/O, or RAM local to x86
> CPU), then they upgraded to a full PC on a card (SunPCI card with local
> video, RAM, USB, etc).
>
> There was a company named "Fortune Computers" that was offering a
three-way
> system, MS-DOS (8088), CP/M (Z-80), and something with a 68000 CPU - this
> was circa 1983/1984.
>
> Oh, and Apple has had a few options to add MS-DOS/Win9X programs to run on
> the newer Macs.
>
> There were many other "hybrid" systems, but it seems that once the IBM PC
> got sufficient traction in the software market, there was really no other
> market to consider, and while you *could* add Mac compatibility to a PC,
it
> would cost nearly as much as simply buying a Mac. The cost savings in not
> having a large case/PS/etc is more than absorbed by the engineering costs
> involved in making the two systems work together.
>
> I once took some computer graphics courses, and we had an IBM AT clone
> machine with a 68020 rendering engine inside (IIRC) this system had some
> un-goddly amount of RAM, like 8 Megs or so ;¬)
>
> It was cool though, but it could take several hours to render a single
frame
> of video... :¬(
>
> Ken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "F. Kaufman" <fjkaufman@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
> To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Pilot emulation by hardware is the real thing: use of
> X-CPU,mode?
>
>
> > > Heck, even before that, ISTR several coprocessor boards for the
> > > Apple II, and probably just about any personal computer with
> > > expansion slots.
> > >
> > > Interesting that the coprocessor board concept seems to have all
> > > but disappeared from the personal computer scene; I'm guessing
> > > it just got too expensive to continue manufacturing them.
> >
> > I have an Osborne computer in the basement that has an ms-dos (early
> > version, no doubt) that allowed the Osborne to boot to MS-dos and run
> > dos versions of Wordstar and other programs.  The main issue back then
> > was getting the video/cursor addressing issues sorted out!
> >
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Subject:      Re: PIM for Linux that plays well with HPLX?
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Gerhard Gonter a =E9crit:
> Which PIM's do you have in mind?  There are no direct paths for
> them yet but I'll try to help to make import/export a reality.

Well at this point, I seem to be settling on gnomecal, although
when evolution becomes real, I'll probably switch to that.

Cheers,

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On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 03:41:08 -0500, Lars Hedstroem <nxw988e@TNINET.SE> =
wrote:

 > If now Al hasn't time to "police" the list, why can't he
 > appoint a co-listowner?
 >
 > Lars

And what should this person do? Monitor all posts before they are
being sent to the list, just in order to filter out flames and
other nonsense?

This would be a huge amount of work which probably nobody could
justify to do.

I rether think that people here should just take a minute and reread
their messages before posting them, and consider if their message can
hurt or insult the recipient or other list members, and in that case
simply refrain from posting publicly or, better yet, refrain from
posting at all.

I believe that this level of consideration can be expected from an
adult community like ours, and in that case we'll have a friendly
place here and won't need a moderator at all.

Tom
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Hello all,

Wanted to let you know, that I just purchased a used 200LX 2MB,
so after lurking around this list for some years, now I hope to be a
"fuller" member.

I also got a Zoom 9600 pocketmodem. I need to make Daniel's
cable and then I can experience mobile computing.

Thanks to everyone for keeping HPLX-L list so interesting.

Sincerely Yours: Tamas Feher.

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On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, KenLondon wrote:

> "Joe H. Smith" wrote:
>
> > My point to you, if you care (or can) to open your mind a tiny
> > slit and listen, is that you recognize well the issues of tax
> > benefits and old inventory. What is curious to me is that you
> > gave Avi such a hard time when he was talking about these
> > issues with respect to old programs.
>
> This indicates to me that you are attributing the wrong quote to me.

As I pointed out in my previous post, you're incorrect, Ken.

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> -----Original Message-----edited---

> >Q&A, for example, had enough math to do a most.....
>
> I've never used Q&A, is it hard to find/hard to use?


Tim,

I don't know if Q&A can do what you want or not. I do happen to have a copy
of Q&A v.4 which can run on the HPLX. I picked it up for a project and
decided the learning curve was not worth my time for that project. It was
easier to use a couple of other programs and some by hand stuff then spend
the time working up what was needed. If you want I can dig it out and look
over the docs. But that learning curve....

> I'd like a spiffy interface and lots of ways to look up data and do

> In a perfect world, I'd have the ability to check blocks that indicate
> product and use of color or not (adds to the price) and have the program

> And, have
> been thinking of doing something in BASIC (the only language where I've
ever
> had any formal training ... but I hated arrays :-(

If you decide to use Basic someone on the list had the special exm basic for
the hplx for sale a while back. You could ask.
Also there is a copy of VBDos, the complied programs works fine on the hplx,
for sale on ebay. In VBDos you can use checkboxes and so forth.

Most of the math is basic Business Calculus. Deeper than I'm up to but basic
calculus none the less.

Patrick




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Date:         Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:30:02 -0500
Reply-To:     Martin Bergvill <martin@MOBILPOST.COM>
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:16:12 +0100, Tamas Feher wrote:

> Hello all,

Hello there.

> Wanted to let you know, that I just purchased a used 200LX 2MB,
> so after lurking around this list for some years, now I hope to be a
> "fuller" member.

Are you for real? Hm I have seen you around here for years had no idea
that you did not have a Hplx.

Wow. Just a little bit amazed. Did it take you all this time to be sure
that it was the thing you wanted? :-)

Well now we on the list can make ourself usefull helping you setting it
up the best way.

Regards

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Date:         Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:12:25 +0200
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Hi Tamas,

On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:16:12 +0100, Tamas Feher <etomcat@FREEMAIL.HU> wrote:

> Wanted to let you know, that I just purchased a used 200LX 2MB,
> so after lurking around this list for some years, now I hope to be a
> "fuller" member.

Fine! :-)

> I also got a Zoom 9600 pocketmodem. I need to make Daniel's
> cable and then I can experience mobile computing.

Good luck!

But what made me wonder all the time is: Why did you lurk here all the
time alghough you didn't own an LX?

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:28:45 -0500
Reply-To:     Martin Bergvill <martin@MOBILPOST.COM>
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:30:32 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> Hi Martin

Hello there

> On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:11:36 -0500, Martin Bergvill <martin@MOBILPOST.COM> wrote:
>
> > Arg I would really liked to be there. I have seen a lot of newsflashes
> > from Cebit. A lot of gadgets that I just have to have :-)
>
> :-)

Lot of development on BT I see. Maybe some of the cards may be usefull
for us on the Hplx.

> Is by chance someone of you all going to go to Cebit on Tuesday? Maybe
> we can meet?!

I wish :-)

> > Yes please do. Try to test the new Gprs Nokia 6310. It can do Highspeed
> > _and_ gprs and BT.
>
> I'll see if I have a chance to try it.

T68 from Ericsson also looks fresh.. :-)

> > I have now gotten the latest version of Hp2rex to work. Everything
> > works great. But is it possible to sort the notes with ndb2rex before
> > they are transferred so that they are in alphabetical order on the Rex?
>
> Theoretically it could be MADE possible. It isn't yet.
> I also wish it would be possible, but it is not easy to implement that.

How about sorting the notexx.rxn files before sending them to the Rex?

It should be possible to do a "bubble" sort of the files and rename
them according to what the first letters are in the beginning is?

I have little programming experience, so I am just thinking out loud.

> If someone wants to do it, please do (my ndb2rex is open source). I
> don't think that I have the time to implement alphabetical sorting.

I have posted some mails, maybe we(you:-) can get some help..have to
see about that..

Regards

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Date:         Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:10:16 -0500
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Rundel wrote:



>  > If now Al hasn't time to "police" the list, why can't he
>  > appoint a co-listowner?
>  >
>  > Lars
>
> And what should this person do? Monitor all posts before they are
> being sent to the list, just in order to filter out flames and
> other nonsense?


No, ofcourse not. This person should throw they who don't
follow the rules out from the list.


I have been on many mailinglists and I have the firm opinion
that you must moderate a list kind of dictatorial.




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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lars Hedstroem" <nxw988e@TNINET.SE>
To: <HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: New HPLX-L Policy


> Russ wrote:
>
> > Remember, the danger isn't that flame wars will break
> > out and annoy all of us, the real danger is that running
the > list will ANNOY AL enough that he won't host the list.
> If now Al hasn't time to "police" the list, why can't he
> appoint a co-listowner?

It was my impression that the list was never policed, just
managed, with some reminders to behave from time to time.
That approach helped to keep the list in a friendly tone.

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Date:         Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:58:19 -0500
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From:         Yuriy Kovalenko <yuriy@NETTAXI.COM>
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 Sorry. I just have to test.

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Date:         Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:57:42 -0500
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 Hello!
I just got 100LX with broken right hinge, broken screen lock and dead
battery.
 I've fixed everything for one day, after an hour of Supergluing, the unit
is usable now except that I had to remove all the stiffening stuff under the
right hinge, otherwise SuperGlue wouldn't just take that pressure. So now i
have to make the left hinge stiffer because i've no more acces to the right
one, I had to glue the Cap also.
 I put a new battery also, I took it from one PC's motherboard, seems to
work :)

 One thing left is that the screen seams to be shifted at the bottom,
symbols are half cut down there.

 Any ideas how to fix it?

 Thanks a lot!

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Date:         Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:44:31 -0500
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 Hello.
Does anybody know, how to set fonts bigger in DOS?
I read books using some dos text viewer and wished to make fonts bigger.
I know I can zoom, but text won't wrap so I just need to make fonts bigger
somehow.
Some internal DOS command probably?

 Thanks!

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Tamas Feher proudly wrote:
> Wanted to let you know, that I just purchased a used 200LX 2MB,

  ...

> I also got a Zoom 9600 pocketmodem. I need to make Daniel's

  ...

Well, well! Congratulations. I am sure everyone will join me
in congratulating you on the purchase. You have now one of the
most powerfully designed computers made. As you probably know
well, many people have been looking for an alternative - but
so far, none was found.

It is not the fastest, the easiest, the longest-lasting, or
any other "most" - but somehow, the engineers designed it with
_just_ the right combination of features to make it incredibly
useful to so many people.

This is really excellent news from you. Now no one can dismiss
your opinions easily because you do not own a palmtop.

I suspect you will need lots of answers to a lot of questions.
I will start by suggesting to download the Andrew Fonts. You
mentioned before your eyesight to be not the best. Of the
fonts made public, Andrew Hilkowitz' seems to be one of the
most popular because it is easy to read, large and "roomy".

As to online software, I suggest to get used to your machine
first, then let me know. I have 2 licenses for WWW/LX. I paid
full price for WWW/LX version 2 about 2 years ago and bought a
full license for version 3 (software is good enough to pay
twice for it IMHO! <g> - I am not just a fool with too much
money.) But when you are ready, I'll send you my old version 2
- it is fully functional and works just fine, but it does not
have some of the excellent features, but for the price ($0.00)
you will have a great program <G>...

Ok, my good deed for today is done! <g>

Enjoy, and welcome to one of the most exclusive clubs - we
fight like wild dogs and wild cats, but a fellow palmtopper is
the closest thing you can have to family outside your own
family <g>.

   Joe

Sorry, folks, only one such license. Mine was purchased a long
time ago from Shier Systems and Software in 1999, and the
version 3 license from D&A directly. I have other old stuff if
anyone interested! I'll check my attic and basement and look
for more goodies.


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Andrew King ably wrote:
> Subject: Re: Magnify Manual

I emailed to D&A about some other, unrelated matters, and also
asked about a Magnify manual... If you bought Magnify from
them, they will send you a replacement manual for $5.00 plus
shipping! Thought you would like to know.

  Joe


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KenLondon ably(?) wrote:
> This indicates to me that you are attributing the wrong quote to
> me.

Oops, he's in a loop! Someone, quick, jolt him out of it
<G>!

   Joe


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Joseph S. Barrera III wrote:
> Gerhard Gonter a icrit:
> > Which PIM's do you have in mind?  There are no direct paths for
> > them yet but I'll try to help to make import/export a reality.
>
> Well at this point, I seem to be settling on gnomecal, although
> when evolution becomes real, I'll probably switch to that.

I was just browsing the Linux FAQ and it mentioned a DOS
emulator.  Maybe you could use a DOS PIM like Flexpad in both
places?

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Hi friends,

did anyone of you ever try to run a palmtop graphics emulator, such as
palmpc, palrun or int5 in a DOSEMU session under Linux?

Does that work?

GTX
daniel

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Russel Brooks wrote:
> I was just browsing the Linux FAQ and it mentioned a DOS
> emulator.  Maybe you could use a DOS PIM like Flexpad in both
> places?

That's not necessary for me, I can convert the HP-LX files any way I
want
and just need a suitable PIM on Unix that plays in the same league as
the
LX's tools.  I just didn't find something appropriate on the Unix side
but I must also admit, I didn't search very much yet.

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Tim wrote:
> I've never used Q&A, is it hard to find/hard to use?

It's been a long time since I used Q&A.  I used it to set up
some things for my father's business maybe 10 years ago.  I
remember that I didn't like it.  I found the interface
frustrating.  But my Dad, who isn't very computer literate,
thought it was great.  In fact it's one of the few programs he
did like.

I remember that it had quite a bit more math than most programs
of it's type.  It could do calculations on a record or group of
records.  At least I think I remember that.

My brother also used it in his business and liked it.

> Is Q&A often on eBay, or should I stick to other
> places to look?

I just looked around for free copies but I guess it's not
freeware yet.  I thought I remembered reading that it was but I
guess not.

I did find a copy on Ebay for $65 (buy it now or till the first
bid is made).  That's pretty high but it was about 3 times that
much when it was new.  It says it's still shrinkwrapped.  I
didn't check the seller at all.

This isnt the only flat-file database program that you could
use.  There are others like Borland's Reflex, which I haven't
used but I've been told it's pretty nice.  I would expect it to
have the math ability you need but I can't really be sure.

There's also a SQL clone called pbase that's on the super site.
It's like SQL with forms.  I played with it at one time and it's
pretty good if you know SQL.  It's amazing how much it can do
for such a small program.  I have no idea how fast it is with a
lot of records.  If you don't know a litle SQL I wouldn't bother
with this one.  dBase or Paradox will be much easier to learn if
you use a relational database.

It might help to point out, if you don't already know this, that
databases come in two forms:  relational and flat-file.  With a
relational database you can almost just assume it can do what
you want even before you're sure what you want.  They're very
powerful.  And there's a lot to learn to use them.  SQL in it's
various forms is probably the only true relational database.
dBase and Paradox have a lot of the characteristics of
relational databases although they actually aren't.  But they
have the power and complexity of a relational database, if not
the speed and efficiancy.

Q&A and Reflex and the LX database are flat-file databases.
They deal with one file at a time where relational databases
allow files to interact and allow a search on one file to be
based on the search results on another file.  The flat-file
databases are much less powerful and a lot easier to use.  There
are also a lot more of them.

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Thomas Rundel wrote:
> I rether think that people here should just take a minute
> and reread their messages before posting them, and
> consider if their message can hurt or insult the recipient
> or other list members, and in that case simply refrain
> from posting publicly or, better yet, refrain from posting
> at all.

I agree and I'd like to add that when someone is thinking of
sending a rude or insulting post, whether the object of that
post deserves it should NOT be a consideration.  The rest of us
don't deserve it.

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Tamas Feher wrote:


> Wanted to let you know, that I just purchased a used 200LX 2MB,
> so after lurking around this list for some years, now I hope to be a
> "fuller" member.

Welcome onboard, Tamas!

Lillebjorn, from a HP200LX DS 8MB, Grey
Cell Systems GSM Data Card and a NOKIA
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 Hello!
I'm gonna use my palm 100LX for reading books.
When I found VR and tried it out, I was very excited, but it seems like
it doesn't support cyrillic fonts, even though I have the keybez running and
I can read and write cyrillics in DOS and in the "Shell".

 Anybody got a clue?

Thanks!

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Barry,

thank you for the information about the more comprehensive stuffers.

However, my original idea was to use a keystuffing mechanism from within
a batch (or LX-Batch) file to control some of the built-in applications
(for example, to update a few hundred database records in a GDB based on
certain field contents). I learned now that keystuffing-like programs
are not the best way to do. I will try other ways, for example,
exporting a database to a plain text file, updating it, and re-importing
it again.

Nevertheless, I enjoyed the learning experience and this discussion.

Norbert
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GOOD GRIEF!

With all the complaints and flames about misquoting, and how a
Palm emulator wouldn't work, and whatever else, I'm finally
getting tired of it! THIS IS RIDICULOUS! Some of you people are
acting like children, and are being so petty and defensive that
I'm about ready to cancel my subscription to the list. For
goodness sake, (for our sake!) PLEASE GROW UP! Theoretically, at
least, we are all adults here and should be able to have a
friendly disagreement and a simple discussion without having to
resort to immature and logically weak personal attacks and
insults, and constant complaints about being misquoted.
Personally, I'm getting tired of hearing about who misquoted
who, I'd rather concentrate on the message; who said it is
secondary.

This is all I will say on the subject, unless I can no longer
contain myself!

Thank you for your time.

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> I'm gonna use my palm 100LX for reading books.
> When I found VR and tried it out, I was very excited, but it seems like
> it doesn't support cyrillic fonts, even though I have the keybez running and
> I can read and write cyrillics in DOS and in the "Shell".

I believe the problem is that keybez works with the built-in
fonts and VR uses custom fonts in order to have the display
rotated. It would be possible to create your own cyrillic font,
if no one has done so already.

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I used to connect my hp200lx to a NT 4.0 Serer using WWW/LX and LXTCP.

Since the NT 4.0 Server was replaced by a Windows 2000 Server I am
unable to connect.

WWW/LX aborts during IPCP (LCP is OK, PAP is OK).
LXTCP aborts with no packet driver installed.

Anybody here who knows how to solve this problem?

Is there any switch or service to be set at ROUTING and RAS to make it
standard PPP?

BTW any WINXXXX Client connects fine, no wonder!

Kind regards

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Barry,

We disagree on two points: Al, and Ken <g>

Al has been asked many times to stop, and even agreed about 2
years ago and did stop for awhile. Then it all came back. He
had seen many many posts by many people explaining how the
language he uses is an irritant to them and a hindrance to
them. He stuck his tongue proverbially at all these people in
order to entertain a few. I find it rather insensitive. Evil?
no, i did not claim it was either. That he is intelligent I do
not dispute, but that simply makes more aggravated his
disregard for the effect of his language.

As to Ken, he was shown examples. Avi showed him several, I
assume you showed him examples. I showed him one. People have
explained to him what he does. He seems to tell us to go f**k
ourselves in so many words.

Does he stick it out? Sure - he probably think we are all
idiots out to get him, evil bastards. All we are trying to do
is make sure that he does not cause _more_ pissed-off-ness on
the list.

He cares little about the list or the platform. He cares
little about what people ask of him. He is just one of those
people who plows blindly ahead with _his_ agenda, screw the
rest of the world. He is the _worst_ kind of insensitive
people.

Anyway, we disagree, and I do not see a bridge. At least we
try to be civilized about disagreeing.

   Joe



Barry ably wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <hplxmail@yahoo.com>
> To: "Barry" <barry@FBTC.NET>
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 1:06 AM
> Subject: Re: HPLX-L Digest - 22 Mar 2001 to 23 Mar 2001
> (#2001-106)
>
> > > What kind of talk is this?
> >
> > Pretty hard, but well-earned. Ken keeps being an ass. He was
> > an ass and managed to lose us at least two much more valuable
> > members than he ever was (or probably will be), and he
> > continues being an ass and infuriate people with abusive
> > quoting despite many proofs of his abusive behaviour and
> > requests to change. .
>
> Some people never learn to deal smoothly with others.  I've been
> watching him since that run-in I had with him and I'm convinced
> he's trying to be a positive member of this list and just
> doesn't know how.  He isn't evil.  He's trying too hard.  The
> less that works the harder he tries.  He doesn't know any
> better.  He lacks the necessary people skills.
>
> I'm sure we all know people like that.  They need a little
> sympathy and kindness from us.  And courtesy most of all.
>
> > > If you disagree, say so.  If someone displeases you, say so.
> > > But use a little courtesy.  We all deserve that from you.
> As
> > > you do from each of us.
> >
> > Barry, Ken is the main cause for bitterness and discontent on
> > the list, bar none! He helped create an atmosphere of abuse
> > and disrespect here, he really needs to be banned from the
> > list, just go away and disappear. Al Hobchi, whom Ken replaced
> > as the "jackass du jour" did not even come close to Ken's
> > "contribution" to the discontent here. I watched it from afar
> > as a lurker. Then I could not take more of the stuff. I saw
> > how you struggled with him and how incredibly insensitive and
> > rude he was to you too.
>
> I'm not sure that's true about Ken.  Sure, he caused problems
> but the biggest problem isn't what he does and says, it's the
> way a few people choose to react to him.
>
> As for Al, if you take the trouble to read what he has to say
> it's usually well thought out, original, generous and very
> cleverly put.  I'm sure he puts a lot of time into that language
> of his.  And there's nothing in his content to make me think he
> wants to iritate.  I think he knows a few people on this list,
> including me, enjoy his posts and he does that because he enjoys
> it and he enjoys entertaining. Underneath the language he really
> seems like a hell of a nice guy.
>
> I don't think Ken is a bad guy either.  He's the kind that never
> quite understands what's going on around him and his reactions
> don't ever quite fit.  He can't help that anymore than I can
> help being short.  I think the guy is to be admired for sticking
> it out in the face of all the criticism he gets and probably
> doesn't understand.
>
> Just think what it would be like to be Ken London for a day.
>
> Barry
>


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I posted to the list by mistake an email meant for Barry
personally. I am sure you can tell which one <g>...

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From:         John Musielewicz <a123456@BITSTREAM.NET>
Subject:      Problem with LXTCP/DOSPPP

I just started having a problem with dosppp. For some
reason it will
not allow me to access my mail server when I use the standard DNS
numbers provided by my ISP. I have to use alternate DNS numbers
used by the DSL server provided for DSL users. My ISP claims not to
have changed any software but Dosppp has given me no trouble since
I've been using it, many moons ago. WWW/LX- Post still works with no
trouble. Even though I can access my mail server using the dsl server
dns numbers arachne will not access web addresses except for my
providers web address. It does this on both the palmtop and my
desktop. Has anyone experienced a problem like this? Any fixes? TIA

John

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Hi all

I believe to be able to post to this list with questions and/or comments is
a privilege rather than a right.

This flame argument etc has been here before.  I for one am tired of the
bickering and bandwidth used.

What is the possibility of temporarily "banning" a person from posting to
the list if a consensus of say 10 people object to their postings?

Possible group project if current list software is unable to do this?

Maybe a week or two of not being able to post might raise the quality of a
persons postings and would save us all from wading through the tirades of
some.

My 0.02c

Any comments?

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Martin wrote:
> Wow. Just a little bit amazed. Did it take you all this time to be
> sure that it was the thing you wanted? :-)

and Daniel wrote:
> But what made me wonder all the time is: Why did you lurk here all the
> time although you didn't own an LX?

Hello all,

I came across this list in 1996 when searching on topics of old
PCs. My hobby is collecting PC expansion cards hardware from
1980s period. Obviously this list is the only alive forum on Net
dealing with PC/XT (maybe apart from some PC-104  industrial
machines group). And I still have my XT desktop just for fun.

Than I found palmtops an interesting topic, and the list has enough
volume to keep my attention, but manageable traffic still allows
almost daily following. Not to mention there are many intelligent
people on HPLX-L, who have been in the world of computing for a
long time. I learned a lot from their postings, opinions, stories.

I still don't know if the 200LX is what I would NEED. I mean I am
not busy enough to have a life organizer as necessity. Currently I
have it as something meant for fun and experience. Maybe it will
change with time.

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Ken London wrote:

> "Joe H. Smith" wrote:
>
> > He cares little about the list or the platform. He cares
> > little about what people ask of him.
>
> Untrue, I just insist on being quoted correctly which has
> not happened alot lately.

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I've just ordered a flash memory card for my 200LX; 64 meg. Any =
tips/hints on formatting it to get the most out of it?

If I choose to format on my laptop, any tips as well??

Thanks.

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I am probably guilty of some part of the flames going on in
the past two weeks, outside the Palm Emulation topic. Even the
part I did by mistake should be counted nevertheless.

Russell Hemery ably wrote:
> I believe to be able to post to this list with questions and/or comments is
> a privilege rather than a right.

I agree.

> Maybe a week or two of not being able to post might raise the quality of a
> persons postings and would save us all from wading through the tirades of
> some.

It would work with me. I'd be back much more tame! <g>

I think it has to work, because if I was not involved for
awhile I would be taking stuff posted here more in stride. I
recently began to post and all it did was get me deeper and
deeper in the spiral.

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Date:         Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:45:29 -0500
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Hi

I have an IBM "portable" XT whose 8088 processor has been replaced by a
full -length card which contains an 8086 and 8087 and runs at a heady 8
MHz. It also has a massive 640 k of primary memory.

Reminds me of a sign at the Personal Computer Museum at Stenungsund. They
had a table with two IBM "portables", two Osbornes and a sign that said
"Any computer is portable, as long as you have a big enough truck."

Regards

Andrew

>I have an Osborne computer in the basement that has an ms-dos (early
>version, no doubt) that allowed the Osborne to boot to MS-dos and run
>dos versions of Wordstar and other programs.  The main issue back then
>was getting the video/cursor addressing issues sorted out!
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On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:32:23 -0600, Chris Lott wrote:

> I finally upgraded my cell phone, and chose the CS888 for its IR
> capability.

CS888? I guess that is a phone based on the Sh888 gsm european version.

I do not know the CSversion, but the SH version has been off the market
for "years".

>  I will be trying it this weekend, but wanted to ask
> again if anyone on the list has one working.

Tomas Moberg used a SH888 and reported it to work witout any speial
considerations.

>  It will save me some
> time if you could share your experience.  My provider had a deal
> where you get a free phone if you have been a customer for 18 months
> and agree to use them for another 12 months.

We have some deal like that here too.

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On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:42:25 -0500, Yuriy Kovalenko wrote:

>  Hello!

Hello

> I'm gonna use my palm 100LX for reading books.
> When I found VR and tried it out, I was very excited, but it seems like
> it doesn't support cyrillic fonts,

What is "cyrillic fonts"?

Regards

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On Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:41:17 -0700, Richard and Patti Smith wrote:

Hello there
> I have had my Xircom Rex 6000 for about two weeks, now, so I
> thought it was about time to let you know what it's like,

Yes it sure was :-)
> it FLUFF, if you wish).

No I use a Rex 3 with my Hplx so I do not call it fluff at all.

> US version, so it may not apply to our international friends,
> sorry.
Not sure that it is a european version. I think it is only one version.

> But the new 6000 is
> much more usable and practical than the Rex-3 - or, I believe,
> even the 5000.
I have seldom missed the input cababilty on my Rex 3. But thats me. I
use the Hplx to enter stuff. The Hplx is my main machine so it would
just be confusing having to sync them both ways.

> The new touch-sensitive screen makes all the
> difference in the world,

I am sure that the use of the Rex6000 is different because of the
editing capability.

> The Rex 6000 comes with 2 MB of flash memory that holds loads of
> data in it's calendar, contacts, tasks, memo, world clock and
> web applets.

2mb wow..when I have transferred my phonebook/notebook(or
mailfolders)/appointbook from Hplx -> Rex3 256kb I have about 130kb
free. When sometime in the future I can download the latest news from
websites to a Post/lx folder then I can transfer it to the Rex also.

Hmm... This is getting a "what can your do that my can't :-)

> In addition to the usual five navigation buttons on
> the right side, it also has a touch-sensitive application bar

I tried out the emulator at Rex.net..very neat to use thats for sure.

> It takes two lithium coin cell batteries

You change one battery at a time don't you? That is the way I do it on
the Rex3.

> Intellisync
> Mobile Desktop. This is probably the sorriest excuse for a PIM
> that I've ever seen, since it just shows the information in a
> list and has no search or sort capabilities.

I have used the programs that comes with my Rex3. But it was okey for my
use. Now I "sync" directly from the Hplx.

> Fortunately, it
> imports comma delimited text (or CSV) files, so you can easily
> import your 200LX Phone Book Data via GDBDUMP.

Can you do what we are doing with our Rex3's? Can you use Chris and
Daniel's programs to transfer files from Hplx3>Rex? Could you please try
it out?

As things are now I do not think that I need a Rex6000. What I would
like is a backup Rex3. Daniel do you know where I can get one? Maybe we
could work out something?

> By the way,
> importing from the Rex-3 TrueSync Desktop PIM is a nightmare,

I did a Hplx-> Trusync thing. A lot of work.

> One of the neatest features of the Rex 6000 is the downloadable
> web content.

Soon coming to a Rex3 near me :-)

> You can configure it to download
> news, stock quotes, weather forecasts, horoscopes, movie
> reviews, and even the movie times at your local theater.

I have just started looking on some plain html sites that I want to get
into my Rex. There are a lot of sites out there. Lot of local norwegian
stuff also.

> There is also support for little add-in applets called Extras

Yes I saw that on the emulator. Neat. :-)

> However,
> currently, the only ones available are for the Japanese version
> of the Rex 6000, called the Dataslim2,

>. The biggest
> drawback is that Xircom currently has no plans to release an
> SDK, so there will likely be very little third-party
> development. I personally believe this to be a huge mistake on
> their part, since a third-party development program would create
> much more of a market than a single company's marketing
> department could.

I agree. It would have been great having a lot of programmers making
small programs for you Rex6000.

> it's a good, usable product - much better than the
> Rex-3.

Hmm I have to disagree. Lately I have used my Hplx->Rex a lot. It works
great. Not sure what I miss. Nothing I guess. When I leave my Hplx at
home I have the Rex with me. The Rex is then full with emails and
newsmessages for reading. Replying I of course have to do on the Hplx.
But I do not think that you can reply to emails on the Rex?
Appointments and things like that I can do on my Nokia 6210 cellular
phone.

I want a second Rex3..I found some on Ebay, but noboday wants to ship
to Norway..

Thanks for your review.

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Date:         Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:49:14 -0800
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Martin Bergvill a =E9crit:
> What is "cyrillic fonts"?

Russian letters. Backwards R and all that.

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> I believe the problem is that keybez works with the built-in
> fonts and VR uses custom fonts in order to have the display
> rotated. It would be possible to create your own cyrillic font,
> if no one has done so already.

 Yeah, I was thinking so also. So I thought, what If I'll delete all the
fonts VR comes with?! So I did but it won't let you delete the last one :)
 Yeah, if only I could know where to find a font that would read that :(
Need it badly,
I either need to make fonts bigger in DOS or use VR to read.
 I have no solution for neither one.
 I've found an little proggy that allows you to read text file and then save
where you left it, this all I need. But that proggy works in DOS so the
fonts are really small, I won't be able to read long time like that.

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At 08:22 PM 3/25/01 -0500, Yuriy Kovalenko wrote:
 >
 >I either need to make fonts bigger in DOS or use VR to read.
 > I have no solution for neither one.
 >

You might want to try out READ/LX which can be downloaded from
http://www.dasoft.com/READLX/index.html

We consider it a Horizontal Reader, and it has a built-in extra large font set.

Has anyone developed any other large fonts for use with READ/LX ?

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I'm replying to myself in hope that someone will pay attention to this
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> You might want to try out READ/LX which can be downloaded from
> http://www.dasoft.com/READLX/index.html
>
> We consider it a Horizontal Reader, and it has a built-in extra large font
set.

 Thank you, Teo, so much!
This thing works, and it reads Cyrillics too, not the Bigfont but the font
number2 does and it's much bigger than in DOS so it should be pretty much
readable plus it has Bookmarks  - exactly what I need!

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Denny,
I found (on a 48K card) that the normal format makes 2K blocks, which means
waste for many small files. However, a format of 1K blocks ( using the
Format /Z= switch on a laptop, made the access time almost twice as long -
dunno why, but so. I reverted to 2K blocks. I think the default works best.
If you really need more space, I found that using Jam or Stacker to double
the space, on average slows down only a bit more than the 1K blocksize. Of
course, YMMV.

Michel

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I've just ordered a flash memory card for my 200LX; 64 meg. Any tips/hints
on formatting it to get the most out of it?

If I choose to format on my laptop, any tips as well??

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Off the top of my head, the access of the solid-state device consists of two
basic parts, the look-up and the access.

The access will take the same no matter where the block of data is located,
but the lookup would take twice as long with 1K blocks since the FS keeps a
lookup table that is size dependent (half the block size means twice as many
list items in the look-up table, see what I mean?).

That is my *theory* anyway, I await definitive correction. ;¬)

HTH,

Ken
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> Denny,
> I found (on a 48K card) that the normal format makes 2K blocks, which
means
> waste for many small files. However, a format of 1K blocks ( using the
> Format /Z= switch on a laptop, made the access time almost twice as long -
> dunno why, but so. I reverted to 2K blocks. I think the default works
best.
> If you really need more space, I found that using Jam or Stacker to double
> the space, on average slows down only a bit more than the 1K blocksize. Of
> course, YMMV.
>
> Michel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Denny Tulenson Ýmailto:dtulenson@AMERITECH.NET¨
> Sent: Sunday, March 25 2001 11:59 PM
> To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: TECH Adding Flash Memory
>
>
> I've just ordered a flash memory card for my 200LX; 64 meg. Any tips/hints
> on formatting it to get the most out of it?
>
> If I choose to format on my laptop, any tips as well??
>
> Thanks.
>
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Hello,

> What is x-cpu mode?

This is a feature of the HP1/200LX, allowing an external CPU,
connected to the PCMCIA interface to take over command of all palmtop
hardware resources. It was barely mentioned in developers docs, so I
think currently no more info is available to anyone non-HP. Certainly
not enough to make use of it by third-party development.

BTW, Mack Bagette once asked on this list if anyone has access to the
"Cougar Technial Reference Manual", a book which holds in-depth info
on LX hardware topics and I think the answer was NO.

Sincerely, Tamas Feher.

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Yuriy,

Does the screen have extra space at the top? If it does, I
suspect that the entire screen is mechanically shifted down in
the frame. This would require disassembly and re-assembly.



Thanks,

Paul Anderson, Pres, Systems-Consulting
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Tim,

I am sure that Q&A can accomplish what you want. The starting
point for you should be http://www.quickanswer.com/ this is the
Quick Answer site. It's the definitive site for Q&A people.
There are links to other Q&A related sites.

There are also some, like me, that would be happy to help you
setup something useful to accomplish your desired task.

The availability of new copies Q&A version 4.0 is limited. There
is also a version 5.0 that may not be required for your
situation (especially on the LX).

The biggest advantage to a database over a spreadsheet is: you
don't have to load all the data into memory before getting the
information you wish. You only need to load the data from the
specific record you're working with.


Thanks,

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>Barry wrote (in part):

> Q&A and Reflex and the LX database are flat-file databases.
> They deal with one file at a time where relational databases
> allow files to interact and allow a search on one file to be
> based on the search results on another file.  The flat-file
> databases are much less powerful and a lot easier to
> use.  There are also a lot more of them.
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Q&A has the unique distinction of being able to read and use
data from another datafile in a very relational manner. It is
probably the most powerful "flat file" database ever.

It also requires a small amount of disk space and the datafiles
are much smaller than a dBase for the same data.



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Tamas wrote:
>BTW, Mack Bagette once asked on this list if anyone has access to the
>"Cougar Technial Reference Manual", a book which holds in-depth info
>on LX hardware topics and I think the answer was NO.

I just checked every book in www.bibliofind.com with the word
'Cougar' in the title (about 400 books) but no luck

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Welcome to the fold. We "sheep" follow the DOS leader to get
work done instead of having it look nice.

We're all here to help each other, fluff not withstanding, and I
hope you find the 200LX most useful.

Thanks,

Paul Anderson, Pres, Systems-Consulting
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Date:         Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:26:37 -0500
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> Does the screen have extra space at the top? If it does, I
> suspect that the entire screen is mechanically shifted down in
> the frame. This would require disassembly and re-assembly.

Yes it does, but it looks proportional.
I'd say that that part cut at the bottom is more like hardware failure, I
guess screen is at right place but something happened to the LCD. Someimes,
I can see some garbage at the part.
Maybe is't lack of contact somewhere?

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On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:10:16 -0500, Lars Hedstroem <nxw988e@TNINET.SE> =
wrote:

 > No, ofcourse not. This person should throw they who don't
 > follow the rules out from the list.
 >
 > I have been on many mailinglists and I have the firm opinion
 > that you must moderate a list kind of dictatorial.
 >
 > Lars

That's maybe true, but to be honest, _I_ would not want to be the
one to decide whom to remove from the list. It is very difficult
to set up an appropriate scheme for throwing misbehaving people
out, and even if someone would do this job, he would be picked on
by almost everybody here, regardless what he did.

If at all, we would need a jury and not a single person.

But I still believe that this place could work without moderator if
people would be a bit more considerate.

Tom
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Yuriy Kovalenko wrote:
> Does anybody know, how to set fonts bigger
> in DOS?
> I read books using some dos text viewer and
> wished to make fonts bigger. I know I can zoom,
> but text won't wrap so I just need to make fonts
> bigger somehow.

When you're in dos the computer is in text mode.  In text mode
the fonts are drawn with hardware, not software.  This makes
them much faster but it also makes them fixed size.

If you want to read books, try Vertical Reader.  It's at the
Super Site at http://www.palmtop.net/super.html

It puts you in graphics mode and the program draws the fonts.
It lets you read the book vertically, holding the LX sideways,
which works out very nicely.  It lets you change font size and
provides a lot of different fonts.  It's probably just what
you're looking for.

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Date:         Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:32:26 +0200
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Hi Richard and Martin,

First, a big thankyou to Richard for his review!

On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:29:17 -0500, Martin Bergvill <martin@MOBILPOST.COM> wrote:

> No I use a Rex 3 with my Hplx so I do not call it fluff at all.

Same here.

> > US version, so it may not apply to our international friends,
> > sorry.
> Not sure that it is a european version. I think it is only one version.

My Rex-3 is an international (US) version. I don't think there are any
special versions of it.

> use the Hplx to enter stuff. The Hplx is my main machine so it would
> just be confusing having to sync them both ways.

I find the idea great to "enter" data into the Rex by using the little
paper sheets which come with the REX and take place on the opposite
side of the REX in the carrying case. It's a pity that no little pen is
shipped with the REX which fits in this case. However, I found a really
nice pen of that shape. It came with another note taker which was given
to me as an advertising gift.
For those of you who don't know what I'm speaking about, please see the
picture on
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/rexsync
!


> You change one battery at a time don't you? That is the way I do it on
> the Rex3.

As far as I know, the Rex-6000 has flash memory, so there is no need to
care that one battery is always inserted to save the data.

> I have used the programs that comes with my Rex3. But it was okey for my
> use. Now I "sync" directly from the Hplx.

I've always synced only with the LX.

> Can you do what we are doing with our Rex3's? Can you use Chris and
> Daniel's programs to transfer files from Hplx3>Rex? Could you please try
> it out?

Since the data format is totally different according to Chris'
researches, this won't be possible, I think.

> As things are now I do not think that I need a Rex6000. What I would
> like is a backup Rex3. Daniel do you know where I can get one? Maybe we
> could work out something?

I bought mine from ELV for something around 100 DM.
Try
http://www.elv.de

It was a special offer, so maybe they wanted to get rid of the old
Rex-3s. I don't know if they still have some.

GTX
daniel

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Joe H. Smith wrote:
> We disagree on two points: Al, and Ken <g>

You sent me a private message and I sent you a private reply.
And now you've sent them all to the list.  I really didn't want
my reply to you to go on the list.  Feelings will be hurt with
no need.

That's called a mistake.  We all do it.  We all get it done to
us.  That's part of human interaction.  The only thing that can
be done about it is to laugh, blush a little and go on with our
lives.

I hope you'll do that.  And I hope you'll encourage others to do
it, too.

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Tamas Feher wrote:
> I came across this list in 1996 when searching
> on topics of old PCs. My hobby is collecting PC
> expansion cards hardware from 1980s period.
> Obviously this list is the only alive forum on Net
> dealing with PC/XT (maybe apart from some
> PC-104  industrial machines group). And I still
> have my XT desktop just for fun.

That's an interesting variation on computer collecting.  I've
never heard of anyone collecting expansion cards.  In my XT and
old AT days I used a lot of them.  Some fairly obscure but most
pretty common.

Can you give a quick idea of some of the things you have?  I'd
like to know more.

I'm not sure if the list is interested but I suspect they might
be.  But if you think they won't be feel free to send it to
barryATfbtcDOTnet.  I'm sure you know how to deal with the caps.

At one time I was going to collect old portables.  I got some
Radio Shack M100s and a Kaypro 10 and was looking for an Epson
h20 (I think that's the right model) and a few others.  But then
I moved to a smaller place and only kept the M100s (also 102s
and 200s) because they don't take up much space.  I wish I had
room for more.

Computer collecting, and component collecting as you are doing,
is important stuff.  In 100 years when they try to remember what
early computing was like they'll come looking for collections
like these.  Too bad they won't have access to our memories,
too.

Have you tried reading comp.folklore.computers?  It's about all
of computer history and a lot of the guys there lived it and
talk about what they remember.  Theres a lot to be learned from
that newsgroup.  There's also a LOT of bickering but the real
content ratio is still pretty high.

There's also comp.sys.tandy which is involved with both old Dos
and TRS-80 computers.  About half and half.  Then there's
comp.sys.dos.programing (or maybe it's .programmers) which looks
at that endo fo the old dos computers.  Also comp.sys.cpm.

There are other places on the web and net concerned with Dos and
with CP/M.  I have a few urls.  If you don't already have them,
let me know and I'll give you what I have.

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The bad news is - it may need repair - I recommend Thaddeus
The good news is - they can do it and it's a fixed cost.

http://www.thaddeus.com/

Thanks,

Systems-Consulting
89 Main Street, Broad Brook CT 06016-9701
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Date:         Tue, 6 Mar 2001 00:30:42 -1000
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Subject:      sandisk 150 ata card

I have a sandisk 150 card that work's in my hp200 and my toshiba l50
but not in my hp 800ct, sandisk support never heard of the problem
any idiea's?
when i insert the card it want's to put an sUn disk driver in for it, it
will then come up in socket service, but it will not show it as another
drive
thanks
scott

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Andrew Lovell wrote:
> I have an IBM "portable" XT whose 8088
> processor has been replaced by a full -length
> card which contains an 8086 and 8087 and
> runs at a heady 8 MHz. It also has a massive
> 640 k of primary memory.

So that's what you mean by X-CPU.  I know the concept.  I hadn't
heard that term before.

I don't know if anyone remembers the Dimension.  It wasn't very
successful.  But I had one a few years ago that I bought from a
guy who had a bunch of old computers.

It had as it's main cpu a motorola 68000.  That's what it first
tried to boot with.  And the OS for that was CP/M 68k.  It also
had an 8086 and would boot MS-Dos.  In addition it had a Z80 and
would boot into CP/M 2.2.  There was also a 6502 and it could
boot as an Apple  II.  I forget which Apple II. Plus, I think.

It came with all of the above OSs, each on it's own floppy.
There was no hard drive but it was made in a day when hard
drives were very uncommon.  It could run CP/M or CP/M 68k
software.  It could run Dos software and it could run Apple
software.

It didn't succede partly because of it's high price.  New ones
were about $8000. And partly because even though it was
compatible with all those computers, it wasn't VERY compatible
with any of them.  A lot of stuff wouldn't run.

It never actually got out of the beta stage.  They ran out of
money and began selling them before they were ready and that
killed what might have been a very nice idea.  That was around
1982 or 83 I think.

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Yuriy,

You might also consider using PFE.EXE to create your own .VFN font for the
Vertical Reader. PFE is the Pal Font Editor and you can download it from the
SUPER site at http://www.palmtop.net/supernew.html. Just search on PFE to
get the download link.

Bob Feldman

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From: Yuriy Kovalenko Ýmailto:yuriy@NETTAXI.COM¨
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 12:05 AM
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Subject: Re: VerticalReader - No Cyrilics?


> You might want to try out READ/LX which can be downloaded from
> http://www.dasoft.com/READLX/index.html
>
> We consider it a Horizontal Reader, and it has a built-in extra large font
set.

 Thank you, Teo, so much!
This thing works, and it reads Cyrillics too, not the Bigfont but the font
number2 does and it's much bigger than in DOS so it should be pretty much
readable plus it has Bookmarks  - exactly what I need!

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> The bad news is - it may need repair - I recommend Thaddeus
> The good news is - they can do it and it's a fixed cost.


 I think I'm gonna take it to pieces once again and clean contacts and check
the bus that goes to the screen.

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> Yuriy,
>
> You might also consider using PFE.EXE to create your own .VFN font for the
> Vertical Reader. PFE is the Pal Font Editor and you can download it from
the
> SUPER site at http://www.palmtop.net/supernew.html. Just search on PFE to
> get the download link.

 Yeah, thanks.
Someone has sent to me the Cyrillic font for the VR and it works, so I'm
fine now! Whoo-hoo :)
 Later, I'm gonna try PFE which I downloaded already to make bigger fonts.
 I thought PFE would work on my desktop and let me create font here and then
export it but it must be run from the LX which make creation procces a
little inconvinient.

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Ken London wrote:

> "Joe H. Smith" wrote:
>
> > He cares little about the list or the platform. He cares
> > little about what people ask of him.
> >
>
> Untrue, I just insist on being quoted correctly which has not happened
> alot lately.

If you have a single example of a time you've been misquoted, I'd love to
see it, because I haven't seen a single time you've been misquoted.  On
the other hand, YOU have misquoted others at least twice now.

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Ken London wrote:

> ian Butler wrote:
>
> > See, for instance, your first "More on abandonware" post on 16 Feb
> > 2001.
>
> Found no such post dated 16 Feb 2001.

LOL.  Did you even bother to LOOK?  Is this the kind of research that led
you to post back on 11 Jan 2001 that "whites in the U.S. now make up 49%
of the population so they now are a minority!!!!"?

Out of consideration for the others on this list, I won't repost the
message, but I've made the post available at
http://www.hplx.net/avi_vs_ken.  (And by the way, that file, like the
above quote, is directly pasted from your messages, so let's not have any
complaints about how you've been misquoted.)

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ian Butler wrote:

> If you have a single example of a time you've been misquoted, I'd love to
> see it, because I haven't seen a single time you've been misquoted.  On
> the other hand, YOU have misquoted others at least twice now.

I've been misquoted more times than not.  Can't go back to examples, Outlook
Express has crashed too many time to access those files.

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Ken London wrote:

> I've been misquoted more times than not.  Can't go back to examples,
> Outlook Express has crashed too many time to access those files.

My, isn't that convenient.  Well, I will say this, Ken, you're a great
source of amusement.  Keep up the good work!

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Hi all,

   Last week the hinge crack on my 200LX reappeered.
The spring popped out and spewed bits of plastic.
Therefore, I'm gearing up to eventually getting a
repair and upgrade.  The May timeframe for the new
shells mentioned seems about right.

   Vauge memories of past postings imply that the
64 meg upgrade was "not as nice" as the 32 and 96
meg upgrades.  With reliability the number one
concern, has anyone comments on the relative merits
of each?  I guess power consumption would be number
two.

Steve

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Date:         Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:08:02 -0500
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> From: Yuriy Kovalenko Ýmailto:yuriy@NETTAXI.COM¨
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:09 AM
>...
>  I thought PFE would work on my desktop and let me create
> font here and then
> export it but it must be run from the LX which make creation procces a
> little inconvinient.

PFE runs very well on my Windows 95 system with PALMPC (even within a
window).  This TSR provides the environment to emulate the palmtop,
including its display.

I've forgotten where I got PALMPC.  It didn't appear on the SUPER page with
the other P's when I went looking for it just now.  But it should be
available here:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/5463/palmpc.zip.

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Date:         Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:42:30 +0200
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, ian Butler wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Ken London wrote:
>
> > ian Butler wrote:
> >
> > > See, for instance, your first "More on abandonware" post on 16 Feb
> > > 2001.
> >
> > Found no such post dated 16 Feb 2001.
>
> LOL.  Did you even bother to LOOK? Ý...¨

Well, technically he is correct, the thread was called "More _about_
abandonware"...

> Out of consideration for the others on this list, I won't repost the
> message, but I've made the post available at
> http://www.hplx.net/avi_vs_ken.  (And by the way, that file, like the
> above quote, is directly pasted from your messages, so let's not have any
> complaints about how you've been misquoted.)

Mike Kopplin's searchable list archive at http://www.technoir.nu/ is also
a great resource (handy if, for instance, your Outlook Express crashed too
many times and you lost old messages...)

Seems to be down at the moment, though...


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Date:         Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:50:55 +0200
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Hi Yuriy,

On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:26:37 -0500, Yuriy Kovalenko <yuriy@NETTAXI.COM> wrote:

> Yes it does, but it looks proportional.
> I'd say that that part cut at the bottom is more like hardware failure, I
> guess screen is at right place but something happened to the LCD. Someimes,
> I can see some garbage at the part.
> Maybe is't lack of contact somewhere?

What I have to cuntribute about such problems is written on
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/repair

please have a look and see if pressing on several places on the edge of
the screen does temporarily solve the problem. This might lead you to
the source of the problem.
Please report what results you got from your pressing experiments!

GTX
daniel

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Date:         Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:43:07 -0500
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>   Hello!
>
>   I'm gonna use my palm 200LX for reading books.
>   When I found VR and tried it out, I was very excited, but it seems li=
ke
>   it doesn't support spanish fonts, even though I can read and write
>  spanish characters (=F1, =E1, =ED, ...) in all programas (SysMgr too).
>
>    Anybody got a clue?
>
>   Thanks!

 Hi!
I had exactly same problem like you, and I had a topic running called
"verticalReader - no cyrillics"
 I wanted to use VR to read books on russian. Many people replied and the
solution to this problem is that you gonna need a special font FVN file t=
hat
has spanish characters in it.
 I found one for cyrillics so you might wanna check out the Net to see if
there is one for spanish. I'm sure there should be at least one cauz you'=
re
certanly not the first person who wants to  read books on spanish.

 Good luck!

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Date:         Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:52:23 -0500
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> What I have to cuntribute about such problems is written on
> http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/repair
>
> please have a look and see if pressing on several places on the edge of
> the screen does temporarily solve the problem. This might lead you to
> the source of the problem.
> Please report what results you got from your pressing experiments!

 Hey! Nice site!
When I just got this 100LX, I had right Hinge broken onto pieces, Latch
problem and loose contact on the power jack. I fixed em all and then
discovered one site that had some guides and now one more site you gave me!
:)
 Too bad, I had to remove all the stuff in the right hinge to glue the parts
back together, works fine now but screen lead has no resistance anymore. I'm
considering to put some kind of rubber washer under the left "survived"
hinge to make the lead more resistance. Now it just swings all the around
and I have to keep it up with left hand.

 oh yeah, pressing on the screen didn't not make any effect so it might be
just damaged screen.

 Thanks anyway!

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In answer to the VR question, I have tried the same thing for HV to get =
bigger fonts and help my ailing eyes.  Try the PFE editor from the SUPER =
data base.  I was able to increase the size of HV's fonts by editing =
some of VR's fonts with PFE.  You can probably download the Cyrillic =
fonts from fontstuff.zip and edit them to a VR format with PFE.
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Date:         Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:32:30 -0500
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I have 1 used copy of Automap Road Atlas Version 2.0 (DOS) For Sale.
The  program comes on both 3 1/2" & 720K floppies and includes the manual.
Asking $20.00, which includes shipping within the continental United States.

Please email me direct if you are interested. Do not reply to this message.
My email address is: rbird2@peoplepc.com

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Date:         Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:51:10 +0000
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Yuriy Kovalenko wrote:
> I'm replying to myself in hope that someone will pay attention to this
> topic.

Any chance this is a double speed LX without the 2X drivers?

I don't have 2X LX but I've heard the display can suffer if the
drivers aren't loaded.

Cheers... Russ

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Ken Hansen wrote:
> Off the top of my head, the access of the solid-state device consists of two
> basic parts, the look-up and the access.
>
> The access will take the same no matter where the block of data is located,
> but the lookup would take twice as long with 1K blocks since the FS keeps a
> lookup table that is size dependent (half the block size means twice as many
> list items in the look-up table, see what I mean?).
>
> That is my *theory* anyway, I await definitive correction. ;¬)

I agree with your theory.
The "buffers=" value in the config.sys might affect the access
times if set too small.  I run with buffers=20.

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Date:         Mon, 26 Mar 2001 07:19:42 +0200
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Subject:      Re: hp200lx - IP - Windows 2000

Guenther Helmuth E. writes:
> I used to connect my hp200lx to a NT 4.0 Serer using WWW/LX and LXTCP.
>
> Since the NT 4.0 Server was replaced by a Windows 2000 Server I am
> unable to connect.
>
> WWW/LX aborts during IPCP (LCP is OK, PAP is OK).
> LXTCP aborts with no packet driver installed.

What is your physical connection type?
What abort message do you get?

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Date:         Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:03:56 +0200
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Subject:      Re: VerticalReader - No Cyrilics?

1. keybez uses its own font files. Initial versions of these are built in to
the fon files which are unpacked by keybez,but the font files are actually
an old form of MSWindows bitmapped fonts and at one time I played around with
modifying the font files under windows 3.11 and they worked fine in my HPLX.

2. The fonts in keybez have nothing to do with the fonts in VR. The fonts in
VR are PAL fonts and I think you can create your own cyrillic font and if you
have a registered version of VR can install and use them. It looks like a
lot of work to me. I suggest reading the section in "vr.doc" regarding fonts.




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John Musielewicz writes:
> I just started having a problem with dosppp. For some
> reason it will
> not allow me to access my mail server when I use the standard DNS
> numbers provided by my ISP.

What software and what error message do you get?
1. Try to ping the dns
2. Try testing the dns using lxdns from the LXTCP suite.


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  In answer to the VR question, I have tried the same thing for HV to =
get bigger fonts and help my ailing eyes.  Try the PFE editor from the =
SUPER data base.  I was able to increase the size of HV's fonts by =
editing some of VR's fonts with PFE.  You can probably download the =
Cyrillic fonts from fontstuff.zip and edit them to a VR format with PFE.
  Jim Sanders (not a technophile)

   Yeah, exactly, this is what I started to do.
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bigger. Pretty boring stuff to do, I might say :)
  I'll be doing like 3-4 letters a day so in a week I should have the =
whole alphabet modified.
   But for now , I use the one I  got and it does the job very well. I'm =
reading!!! :)

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Date:         Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:58:43 -0500
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:32:26 +0200, Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> Hi Richard and Martin,

Hellu there.

> First, a big thankyou to Richard for his review!

Yes that was nice of him.

> On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:29:17 -0500, Martin Bergvill <martin@MOBILPOST.COM> wrote:
>
> > No I use a Rex 3 with my Hplx so I do not call it fluff at all.
>
> Same here.

I use it more and more now that I have ndb2rex and mail.i->rex. I had
something wrong in the file.map file so I have not gotten all of it to
work until recently. It takes about 2 minutes to transfer the things I
need to the Rex3.

> > use the Hplx to enter stuff. The Hplx is my main machine so it would
> > just be confusing having to sync them both ways.
>
> I find the idea great to "enter" data into the Rex by using the little
> paper sheets which come with the REX and take place on the opposite
> side of the REX in the carrying case.

I did not get anything like that with mine. I have my ceLphone to make
notes on when I am out without my Hplx.

> It's a pity that no little pen is
> shipped with the REX which fits in this case.

I have seldom the use to make notes, but I see your point.
>
> > You change one battery at a time don't you? That is the way I do it on
> > the Rex3.
>
> As far as I know, the Rex-6000 has flash memory, so there is no need to
> care that one battery is always inserted to save the data.

Ahh yes flash memory.. I see..

> I've always synced only with the LX.

Ndb2rex was not available when I first started out with the Rex.

> > Can you do what we are doing with our Rex3's? Can you use Chris and
> > Daniel's programs to transfer files from Hplx3>Rex? Could you please try
> > it out?
>
> Since the data format is totally different according to Chris'
> researches, this won't be possible, I think.

Well I guess I do not care. The Rex3 does what I need to do so the
Rex6000 is overkill for me.

> > As things are now I do not think that I need a Rex6000. What I would
> > like is a backup Rex3. Daniel do you know where I can get one? Maybe we
> > could work out something?
>
> I bought mine from ELV for something around 100 DM.
> Try
> http://www.elv.de

I will check them out. Is it a german website or what?

> It was a special offer, so maybe they wanted to get rid of the old
> Rex-3s. I don't know if they still have some.

I hope so.

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   Tamas Feher wrote:

> Wanted to let you know, that I just purchased a used 200LX 2MB,

That is great, we loose some, we gain some. Looking forward to more of =
your
'out of the box' suggestions ... that you will also be able to test =
yourself
now.

Regards,

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 /ves

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Date:         Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:15:36 -0800
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Does anyone know an electronic contact of the LXBatch
author, Rob Koenis?

In case you don't know: LXBatch is a very nice batch
language that allows you to create system-manager like
DOS programs.

Regards,
Paulo Custodio


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Hello all,

If you are very concerned about data and networking security under
DOS, visit this link and pick the programs of your choice. BTW, the
webpage owner seems to be very concerned about NSA and CIA taking him
to gallows. Someone should tell him that US export restrictions were
eased a year ago and publishing source code is protected under free
speech.

<http://www.afn.org/~afn21533/rgdprogs.htm>

Sincerely, Tamas Feher.

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Hello all,

I'd like to ask if you know of any source for affordable 200LXs in the
Philippines or the vicinity? I mean stores, not e-Bay or auction.

Many thanks in advance, Sincerely: Tamas Feher.

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Date:         Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:53:53 +0100
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I thought I read of a problem with this, but it works fine for me.

I'm using this:

Nokia 6210 , modem "SW03.01" (response to ATI2)
HP serial cable from connectivity pack "F1015-80002"
HP 9-pin gender converter from connectivity pack "5181-6639"
Nokia Cable DLR-3P "A105083821"

GP is set to use modem port number 1 (COM1), baud rate 19200 - the maximum
GP will allow for the serial port.  I've not used any init string (if
someone could remind me of the Nokia codes for using ISDN 110 dialling, and
hwo to turn on HSCSD - though I think only Orange in the UK offer the
latter).

It works fine.  The modem does not seem to accept more than basic requests,
for example no sign of data compression or error correction.  Maybe I just
don't know the right codes.

Using Data Comm I can use 115200, but manually dialling Compuserve CIS I get
many dropped characters.  No change if I play round with CTS/RTS or XON/XOFF
in Data Comm setup.

AT&V gives a pretty standard info, AT&V1 and AT&V2 give other stored
profiles.  Default seems to be:

E1 Q0 V1 X5 &C1 &D2 &Q0 &S1

X5 I don't have a reference for - any idea?  My book only goes to X4.   It
looks like the S-Registers can be set directly, but it is not clear if these
have the usual meanings.  Any reference sources?  Connecting certainly does
not report any error correction - but is this relevant on a digital call?

It is of course very bulky, so a skilled person could take a DLR-3P (with
the electronics in it) and attach an HP end plug..like a 9-pin male to HP in
a single block, like the connectivity kit adapters.

I keep asking myself, if WWW/LX has IrDA support, why has no-one else
written a driver that could be used by other systems - or add it to dosppp ?

William D.Ll.Brown
782-2681 / 07768 891330
Stevenage PMT Building  Room 41 G 033

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Barry wrote:

> In text mode the fonts are drawn with hardware, not software.
> This makes them much faster but it also makes them fixed size.
> ...
> VR puts you in graphics mode and the program draws the fonts.

But the HP has also a BitBlt Co-Processor allowing to draw
fonts by hardware in graphics modes.

|From the SDK (page 539):
|------------------------
|BitBlt is an acronym for "bit block level transfer". The Hornet
|BitBlt block is a specialized co-processor designed to
|accelerate bit-mapped block transfer into the CGA compatible
|graphics frame buffer. It operates as a DMA coprocessor where
|the transfer is set up and then enabled by the CPU. The BitBlt
|block then obtains control of the bus from the CPU and performs
|the transfer.

BitBlt is something, you must be aware of. If you write text
in graphics modes, you have to use special functions of the
INT10h interrupt in order to get the advantages of BitBlt.

AFAIK all SysMgr programs use BitBlt. But DOS does not use it,
because DOS output is done by INT21h, and there are no BitBlt
functions defined for INT21h. By DOS I mean DIR, TYPE...

Advantage of BitBlt is indeed speed. Disadvantage is loose of
desktop compatibility and loose of DOS redirection capability,
which is only available through INT21h functions.

Stefan

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Le Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:53:53 +0100
"Brown, William" <wdlb5359@GLAXOWELLCOME.CO.UK> a =E9crit:

> I thought I read of a problem with this, but it works fine for me.

Very interesting...=20

Do you really _get mail_ from it ? The problem was the GP established
the connection (until the "CONNECT 9600" message), and disconnected
immediately after.

When I wrote to Steven Lawson about that, he told me that it could be a
problem about the lack of a DCD line ("GP expects DCD (carrier) to go
high when the modem is connected and drop when it disconnects."). This
seemed to be consistent, when you know that most of the GSM-PC cables
returns only the TD and RD signals (the Ericsson R320s returns
TD+RD+RTS+CTS).

And the cause has finaly be proven last week, when I added an "allways on=
"
DCD signal on my custom R320s<->HP cable.

Then I am a little surprised when you say that the DLR-3P cable could
work. I have tested it and get exactly the same result than with others=20
(non-DCD enabled) cables.

The only difference could be :
- Something in the HP 9-pin gender converter which activate the DCD line,
  but I don't think so..
- An older version of Goin'Postal, which have perhaps no DCD status
  check. Can you tell me which version you use ?


Jacques.

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I use software carousel to switch sessions on my LX. I often leave the
document I am reading open in a session for long periods. Sometimes, some
program I run in another session will cause the HP to crash and I am forced
to do a hard reboot. Because I never exit the program properly, the 'last
page viewed' is never bookmarked. When I rerun the program I have to find
the last page I read.

It would be nice if vertical reader would keep track of when it was
terminated abnormally,  perhaps with the use of some flag file, and return
to the last page viewed. I know that it already keeps state information
regarding bookmarks and last doument viewed.


I've looked at the features and haven't found anything that addresses this
issue. I was drafting an email to Gilles about this when I thought it may be
better to post this on the list first. If this feature does  not exist then
I will submit my email to Gilles requesting this feature in any future
releases. ( I hope he's still willing to improve the program. If not, I'm
going to suggest releasing the source.)


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Date:         Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:43:33 +0100
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I have GP 4.02beta

Here is my GP.BAT, in case the EPPPD is different.  I used to have fun
getting MTU negotiated, but it is OK with Compuserve.   Maybe you should try
one of the debug EPPPDD?

@echo off
c:\lxcic\lxcic/w
break=off
if exist pgpgp.exe pgpgp -p
echo loading...
if exist gpipf.ipf erase gpipf.*

rem *** LOOP HERE TILL GPEXE TERMINATES FULLY ***
:mainloop
gpexe.exe 3
if errorlevel 102 goto lanload
if errorlevel 101 goto pppload
goto finish

rem *** LOAD THE PPP TSR, HANDLE ONLINE WORK, THEN UNLOAD TSR ***
:pppload
EPPPD pktvec 0x62 -as a0000 file GPIPF.CFG
GPTCP 3
if errorlevel 101 goto pppshell
goto pppunload
:pppshell
echo Type EXIT when you are finished
COMMAND.COM
:pppunload
TERMIN 0x62
goto mainloop

rem *** LOAD THE ETHERNET TSR, HANDLE ONLINE WORK, THEN UNLOAD TSR ***
:lanload
OP2216
PD2212 0x62 5
GPTCP 3
if errorlevel 101 goto lanshell
goto lanunload
:lanshell
echo Type EXIT when you are finished
COMMAND.COM
:lanunload
PD2212 -u
goto mainloop

rem *** ALL DONE ***
:finish
c:\lxcic\lxcic/o
if exist pgpgp.exe pgpgp -d


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Date:         Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:50:38 -0600
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Ed Padin wrote:

> I've looked at the features and haven't found anything that addresses this
> issue. I was drafting an email to Gilles about this when I thought it may be
> better to post this on the list first. If this feature does  not exist then
> I will submit my email to Gilles requesting this feature in any future
> releases. ( I hope he's still willing to improve the program. If not, I'm
> going to suggest releasing the source.)

Hi Ed,

I seem to recall seeing this problem mentioned before, but dont
recall ever seeing a solution.  Personally, VR starts up and quits
so quickly that I rarely leave it open while not reading.  Still,
your issue seems relevant and (if nobody else responds) your plan
makes sense to me.

Ted

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Date:         Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:05:12 +0800
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At 12:40 AM 3/27/01 -0500, Yuriy Kovalenko wrote:
>I'll be doing like 3-4 letters a day so in a week I should have the whole
>alphabet modified.

I understand from PFE.DOC that using F4 will set the global font size.

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Hi.  I have been trying to run certain DOS programs from my
hplx in my Win ME desktop for speed, but I find that certain
programs don't run.  One says "Packed file is corrupt" the
other keeps refering me to the batch file I started the
program with.  Both run just fine on my hplx.  Any thoughts?
If anyone knows of an appropiate web site which deals with
this issue, that would be great too.  Restarting in pure DOS
with the startup disk has no effect on the problem.  I found a
web site dealing with a dual boot setup with the DOS files of
Win98.  The problem is that I don't have Win98.  The url is
http://www.sgmvp.freewebsites.com/WinME_DOS/Win-ME.htm
I think this might solve my problem if I can get the
appropiate files from a Win98 CD somewhere .  .  .

TIA

Domingo

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Date:         Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:05:38 -0500
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 Hello!
I got a pretty good external Modem Us Robotics 36K, I got all the cables and
I got HP 100LX.
 Could you people please tell me, what is the easiest way to try to go
online - Web Browsing?
 I want to do it just for fun, so the simpliest solution is very welcome.
 Maybe there is some FAQ already posted on this?

 Thanks for any help!

-Yuriy

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Brown, William wrote:

> I keep asking myself, if WWW/LX has IrDA support, why has no-one else
> written a driver that could be used by other systems - or add it to =
dosppp ?

because it is a huge task and you need extremly good nerves to
bear the lecture of the specification. IrDA is not just another
protocol, it is an attempt to put the wisdom of the world in a
wireless protocol. Indeed it failed. What is left over can be
downloaded from the specification section of

http://www.irda.org

These are about 20 PDF files each addressing some aspects of
the different layers. Download them, try to put them into an
order and then start reading and try to understand what you read.

At that point you may start to think about what must be
implemented and what can be left out of the specification.
A full fledged implementation is anyway not possible on a non
multitasking platform.

And finally start programming. It involves indeed interrupt
driven serial port access, something which alone makes
experienced programmers shiver.

But it is proved to be possible, as Andreas Garzotto of D&A
showed. One of his masterpieces! I wish he were here to comment
about his implementation.

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Hello Domingo

-----Original Message-----
From: HPLX Mailing List Ý¨On Behalf Of
Domingo
Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2001 10:50 AM
To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu
Subject: OT: Win ME and DOS


Hi.  I have been trying to run certain DOS programs from my
hplx in my Win ME desktop for speed, but I find that certain
programs don't run.  One says "Packed file is corrupt" the
other keeps refering me to the batch file I started the
program with.  Both run just fine on my hplx.  Any thoughts?
If anyone knows of an appropiate web site which deals with
this issue, that would be great too.  Restarting in pure DOS
with the startup disk has no effect on the problem.  I found a
web site dealing with a dual boot setup with the DOS files of
Win98.  The problem is that I don't have Win98.  The url is
http://www.sgmvp.freewebsites.com/WinME_DOS/Win-ME.htm
I think this might solve my problem if I can get the
appropiate files from a Win98 CD somewhere .  .  .

Your problem is windows me  it does not support Dos 100 %
go back to windoze98 second edition

Cheers Harry

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Hi,

I'm about to send off my LX to Thaddeus for an upgrade.  Is 32MB enough for
most folks or should I spring for the 64MB?  I don't do any hugh DB's but I
will be doing some CAD and hydrologic modeling.

Thanks for the advice,

Bill

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Domingo wrote:

> Hi.  I have been trying to run certain DOS programs from my
> hplx in my Win ME desktop for speed, but I find that certain
> programs don't run.  One says "Packed file is corrupt" the

Hi,

   That is the message/problem that is referenced by
LOADFIX.COM.  Check your free memory.

> other keeps refering me to the batch file I started the
> program with.

   Not clear here, what is the actual message?

Steve

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Yuriy,

I've found the easiest was is to use WWW/LX from D & A but I don't know if
it will work with the 100LX.  The setup is qick and you can dowload a trial
version for their site and upgrade it by buying to software key through
registering it.  I'm sure others will chime in soon, because there are a
number of options.

Bill

I got a pretty good external Modem Us Robotics 36K, I got all the cables and
I got HP 100LX.
 Could you people please tell me, what is the easiest way to try to go
online - Web Browsing?

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Date:         Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:50:58 -0500
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> -----Original Message-----
> Bill Sprague
> Subject: How Big to Upgrade?
> Hi,
> I'm about to send off my LX to Thaddeus for an
> upgrade.  Is 32MB enough for
> most folks or should I spring for the 64MB?  I don't
> do any hugh DB's but I
> will be doing some CAD and hydrologic modeling.
=====================================

Bill,

I think you'll find that you are buying storage space, not ram
for processing. You will have to decide if 32mb is enough.

This isn't like Windows where more ram makes programs able to
handle more complex tasks.



Thanks,

Paul Anderson, Pres, Systems-Consulting
89 Main Street, Broad Brook CT 06016 USA tel:(860)627-5393
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve" <novosad@SERVER030.FWB.SAIC.COM>
> Domingo wrote:
> > Hi.  I have been trying to run certain DOS programs from
my
> > hplx in my Win ME desktop for speed, but I find that
certain
> > programs don't run.  One says "Packed file is corrupt" the
>    That is the message/problem that is referenced by
> LOADFIX.COM.  Check your free memory.

I mentioned on my post that running from pure DOS doesn't
improve the outcome.  So it is not lack of memory (576k free
base memory).

> > other keeps refering me to the batch file I started the
> > program with.
>    Not clear here, what is the actual message?

"Use MM Batch file to start the program".  The batch file
passes certain parameters to the program, so it is not
designed to run without it.  The problem is that I AM  using
the batch file.  Either the program is not receiving the
parameters, or something is seriously wrong with the DOS
environment.

Thanks for your input.

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Bob,

I'm glad things work out well with the OB 530.  You know I was concerned
about your having over bid the thing.

>How big are the programs you want to run?  The biggest I run are the
Dictionary 10 megs >and or Automap 10 megs.  Or instead of 64 megs go with
32 megs and Software Carousel.

I think you said the 32MB was the "sweet spot".  The software I run is way
smaller than 10MB (more in the 1-4MB range), so I'm sure 32MB will do it
even with Super SC loaded up.

Thanks,

Bill

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Stefan Peichl wrote:
> But the HP has also a BitBlt Co-Processor allowing to draw
> fonts by hardware in graphics modes.

That's true but he was asking about Dos which is in text mode.
In text mode the graphics chip draws the text on it's own.  No
software intervention is needed.  Just put the text in the text
memory and it will be drawn.  Text in text mode doesn't let the
program have access to individual pixels.

The bitblt is used for drawing text in graphics mode where you
have to be concerned with moving blocks of individual pixels.

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On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Bill Sprague wrote:

> I think you said the 32MB was the "sweet spot".  The software I run is way
> smaller than 10MB (more in the 1-4MB range), so I'm sure 32MB will do it
> even with Super SC loaded up.

I've used a 32MB unit for over three years now.  I run LXTCP/PNR,
WordPerfect 5.1, VR, QFax, TT-LX, PGP v2.6.2, HP Alarm Clock, games,
and a large variety of miscellaneous utilities (including pieces of
Norton).  I also keep about 4MB worth of medical device regulations
stored on my palmtop.  Even with all this, I generally run with
about 20MB free storage space.  (When my e-mail archive exceeds 1MB
I transfer it to my desktop, which is backed up to tape.)

Ted

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How big to to go for when you upgrade?  Go for the highest you can
possibly
afford.  My first choice would be the 96 meg if if it were available.
Last heard
it was not so I would suggest the 64 meg.  If you go with 32 now you'll
be
kicking yourself later for not going with the 64.   Bear in mind the
memory you
give the 200lx the better and faster it will run.   Also go for the DS.

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Wed, 28 Mar 2001 10:34:33 -0500 (EST)

WWW/LX works just fine on a 100LX and is well worth the expense(IMHO).
I depend on it daily for EMail using both LAN (ACCTON 2216) & MODEM.
There are other options which may be more economical (NetTamer, etc...)
but WWW/POST/LX works fantastic, and is fairly easy to set up.

Cheers...AJKind

01h48m55s ago ...
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Bill Sprague wrote:

> Yuriy,
>
> I've found the easiest was is to use WWW/LX from D & A but I don't know =
if
> it will work with the 100LX.  The setup is qick and you can dowload a =
trial
> version for their site and upgrade it by buying to software key through
> registering it.  I'm sure others will chime in soon, because there are =
a
> number of options.
>
> Bill
>
> I got a pretty good external Modem Us Robotics 36K, I got all the =
cables and
> I got HP 100LX.
>  Could you people please tell me, what is the easiest way to try to go
> online - Web Browsing?
>
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I have the following SunDisk SDP5 series Flash RAM cards for sale:

(2) 10MB Epson-branded cards, $20.00 each.
(1) 5MB SunDisk card, $10.00.

These cards work in the 95LX as well as the 100/200LX. If you have a 95LX
(like I do), you will need the SunDisk driver, which I can supply. They can
also be used with Stacker to double the capacity to 20MB or 10MB.

First class postage with shipping in a padded envelope -- shades of Scott :)
-- is included in the price. Add $2.50 per address if you want shipping in a
box via Priority Mail.

Please respond off-list to the email address below.

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 Hello!
Who has a memory card for sale?
I live in Canada.

 Make your offer be emailing me please.

-Yuriy

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Date:         Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:39:46 -0500
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Hello!
I just tried WWW\LX and it worked! The setup proces went very smooth.
So I got the "feeling" and deleted  it all., Have no memory to keep it on
the disk, I'll wait and buy memory card first.
 Actually, it was very slow. Even though my modem is 33.6K

 Anyway, I'm gonna give it some more  try some time later.
For now, I'll just stick with my books! :)

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Hi Bill & list

I have used an 8MB since 1997 and find it ample for what I need.  I
"jammed" the drive to double the space so have 17MB storage on C:  I guess
if I had the option back then I would have gone for a 32 model but it wasnt
made yet.

Hope this helps

Russell

PS  I just got my receipt out the other day.  I'm amazed I've been using
the LX now for 5 years and still no suitable replacement has come onto the
market. Now THAT would be a group project and a half.  See if we can
design/manufacture a new palmtop dream machine and make/market it.  Anyone
up for the challenge?

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Yuriy wrote:

>Actually, it was very slow. Even though my modem is 33.6K

I think, if memory serves me, that it'll be slow until you register it.
There are size restrictions to files until it's registered and I think that
would slow it down.  I use a 14.4kb modem and it works just fine.

Best,

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On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:16:56 -0500, Yuriy Kovalenko wrote:

>  Hello!
> Who has a memory card for sale?
> I live in Canada.
>
>  Make your offer be emailing me please.

Hi

(I sent this to the list because it may be interesting for others.)

I bought a 110 mb Pcmcia Sandisk from this guy:

"Pcmcia memorycards" <fuboco@bellsouth.net>

I paid him through Paypal and he sent me the card very good packaged.

I recommed him. He has some 340mb cards also I think. The 110mb I
bought worked out of the box on the Hplx.(Well I had to fdisk/format it
though:-)

(I have no association to this guy..just a satisfied customer.)

If you mail him please tell him I sent you  :-)

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Hi friends,

okay, here comes my annual Cebit report ;-)

First Bluetooth:
I searched for a Bluetooth module which can be connected to the serial
port of the LX and which can connect a mobile phone (or whatever) via
Bluetooth radio to the LX. The best solution would be a little chip
which could be integrated into the LX's case.

I didn't find anything suitable.

There are many USB port Bluetooth modules, many Bluetooth PCMCIA cards,
which need special software drivers to run (no PCMCIA card which shows
itself as a COM port to the computer, as PCMCIA modems do) and
Bluetooth modules which fit in such special slots like Handspring Visor
slots etc. But no simple RS232-Bluetooth device.
The different manufacturers all said that something like that COULD
certainly be done, but it isn't planned yet. Maybe later.

A swedish manufacturer, "Blue2space", has made a device which probably would
do the job we want, i.e. converts the RS232 signals to Bluetooth radio.
BUT:
1. it needs an external power supply
2. it is very much overhead, because it contains a whole
mini-PC, which converts the RS232 into the appropriate signals for a
Bluetooth PC-card which sits in this device
3. it is almost half as large as the LX (must hold a PCMCIA card)

So a data cable between LX and mobile phone (or whatever device you
want to connect to) would proabaly be the more convenient choice.

To see information about this device go to http://www.blue2space.com
and click on "products" / "BlueBall Communicator".
The picture lets seem the device to be quite small. But imagine that it
holds a Bluetooth PCMCIA card and that the connector shown on one side
is a 25 pin Sub-D.

Okay, this device may be a staring point - I think that other devices
will follow, And probalby smaller ones, too. Maybe we can even buy a
chip which converts RS232 directly to Bluetooth and implant it into the
LX, as Stefan suggested.

The BlueBall Communicator shall cost somethin like 115 US$ in wholesale
trading. Quite expensive, IMO.

Second, I found a quite interesting device made by Toshiba:
A PCMCIA hard disk with a capacity of 2GB.
It is a full-size PCMCIA2-device (i.e. no compact flash like the IBM
microdrives) and fits nicely into the palmtop. I had the chance to try
it. Unfortunatly, I got no acces, neither without preparation of the
disk (the Toshiba employee said it was formatted using Windows 2000 -
don't know if that file system should be readable with the LX), nor
could I get fdisk100 or format working on the drive. DOS simply said
the drive wasn't ready.
This could have two reasons:
1. A driver is needed (which I couldn't test)
2. Too high power consumption.

About 1.: I didn't get the impression that the drive spinned up but
that could also be due to the high noise level in the exhibition hall.
What did that mean? Mack, without a driver, should that drive spin up
or not?

About 2: The Toshiba guy promised to send me technical details about
this drive, including information about power consumption. As soon as I
get these informations, I'll post them to the list.

Please read
http://www infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/00/05/12/000512hntoshiba.xml
for more information.

The device will cost around 1000 DEM (500 US$), Toshiba said. COmpared
to CD cards or even the IBM microdrives, this is a very good price, I
think.


I also went to the SanDisk booth and collected information about new CF
cards. I saw CF cards with capacities up to 512 MB. Up to 256 MB they
were still type-I cards, betwee 256 and 512 MB they are type-II cards,
i.e. you need another adapter for them to fit into the LX.
I spoke with a SanDisk guy and he said, power consumption of the larger
cards should not be significant higher than of the older cards, so this
shouldn't be an issue with our LXs.

BTW: On the Sandisk web site, they currently sell 64 MB CF cards
for only 99.99 US$.
http://www.sandisk.com and click on "Online Store"

That's from Cebit.

Read my next posting for more information - I had to split it up
because of the length...


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This is the continuation of my previous post (Cebit report 1/2).


I just did a search for "RS232" and "Bluetooth" on google.com and found
a few interesting URLs:

http://www.brainboxes.com/index.html?news/news060600_02.html~mainFrame
http://www.talisman-uk.com/items/251.htm
http://www.presseagentur.com/PR-Infos/Plug-In/PR14-00.htm
...

but somehow every search hit seems to point to www.brainboxes.com!
Except the "talisman" thing.
These two seem to be the only manufacturer who makes RS232 dongles by
now.

I'll contact both and ask for details. Maybe they can confirm
that their dongle would work with our limited RS232 port (only 6V
signal voltage). In case they cannot confirm that for sure - is anyone
here willing to buy such a dongle and try it? Of course this person
would have to have another Bluetooth device - preferably a mobile phone - to
try out if the connection really works.

GTX
daniel


P.S.: I just saw that the Talisman and the Brainboxes Blueetooth
dongles have exactly the same part number - so Talisman only seems to
be a reseller. :-(
Okay, I'll contact at least Brainboxes and ask..

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Ed,

I had exactly the same niggle as you, and asked Gilles about a
solution. There is none nor did he forsee one forthcoming. Up
until then, I'd been quiting and reloading VR (which forces
the last page to be saved.) Even bookmarks don't help, because
they're only saved on exit too.

Now, my solution is to open the current book again. VR
(luckily) isn't intelligent and closes the current and reopens
it. This saves your current position and all bookmarks.
Because the open dialog, by default, has the current book
highlighted, the keystrokes are simply {forwardslash}{enter}.
On a doublespeed it's almost instanatanous. I always (well, I
try to remember to always) do a /Ýenter¨ before I switch out
of VR's session. Try it. I think you'll find it's a fairly
workable solution.

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Date:         Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:38:55 +0100
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My company provided me with a Compaq iPAQ and a Xircom 56k CreditCard
Modem today.

I tried the card in my 96 meg DS HP200LX today with WWW/LX,
ModemInit=3DAT&F and it worked right away. The machine was plugged to the
power outlet. The online run was 5.5 min and I did not notice any
increase in palmtop temperature. When I pulled the card it was
handwarm. I have no idea what it will draw on batteries.

Anyway the card worked for me - caution, it might not work for you ;-)

HP Staber/Salzburg

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Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:59:04 -0500 (EST)

FWIW I ran my PreTec 56k CF MODEM in the LX on AC as well. Worked OK,
but seemed a little too warm for me to be comfortable with using
regularly.

Cheers...AJKind

19m54s ago ...
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, HP Staber wrote:

> My company provided me with a Compaq iPAQ and a Xircom 56k CreditCard
> Modem today.
>
> I tried the card in my 96 meg DS HP200LX today with WWW/LX,
> ModemInit=3DAT&F and it worked right away. The machine was plugged to =
the
> power outlet. The online run was 5.5 min and I did not notice any
> increase in palmtop temperature. When I pulled the card it was
> handwarm. I have no idea what it will draw on batteries.
>
> Anyway the card worked for me - caution, it might not work for you ;-)
>
> HP Staber/Salzburg
>
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> My company provided me with a Compaq iPAQ and a Xircom 56k CreditCard
> Modem today.
>
> I tried the card in my 96 meg DS HP200LX today with WWW/LX,
> ModemInit=AT&F and it worked right away. The machine was plugged to the
> power outlet. The online run was 5.5 min and I did not notice any
> increase in palmtop temperature. When I pulled the card it was
> handwarm. I have no idea what it will draw on batteries.
>
> Anyway the card worked for me - caution, it might not work for you ;-)

The power draw on the card may be dependent on the type of on-line
activity.

5.5 min of email reading / sending is likely less taxing than 5.5 min of
downloading a large file.

Also, people trying high speed modems on the LX may be constrained by local
line speeds.  The modem that works (albeit slowly) in one area, may have
power problems in another area where higher speeds may be possible.

These are just observations and speculations.  I've never had an LX or
modem fry on me, so I may be overly cautious.

- Longden (who's never been audited by the IRS .... THAT's cautious)

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Hi Everyone,

The cover part for the HP 200LX arrived!  This is the cover that tends to
crack because of hinge problems.  Normally, it has the HP logo on the lower
left.  These parts come without the HP logo. This top of-the-screen cover
comes with 4 brass inserts on the inside.

When I brought up the subject months ago, people asked if they could
purchase them from us separately.  I ordered enough to make this a
possibility. HOWEVER... if you decide you want them, you are on your own!
Several web sites contain helpful instructions, but we will not provide any
support in taking units apart or putting them together!  We will simply sell
the top cover part, as is.

Important: We are not able to offer any other HP 200LX part.

In addition, I have mentioned that we received 1.5 meg rechargeable "Rail
Pocket" SRAM cards when we received the 4000 Dutch 200LX's. They seem to
work.  That is they get recharged once they are in the Palmtop. The battery
in the card is not replaceable --- that is, it is difficult to get at the
battery without destroying the card. I do NOT have any more specs about the
cards.

Here is what I will offer.  Note that I am only making the offer at this
time on this list.

1. $25 for each HP 200LX case top you order.
2. $25 for 5 "Rail Pocket" 1.5 meg cards. Note that these are sold, as is.
All that we have tested work, but one can never tell. Hopefully, at $5 each,
even if one or 2 don't work, you still will feel you got a good deal.

Shipping: $5 U.S., $12 Outside U.S., for 1 or more of these items ordered at
the same time.

To order, email wayne@thaddeus.com. Include your mailing and credit card
info if we don't have it. If you don't want to email your credit card info,
you can fax Wayne at 641-472-1879.

Thanks,

Hal at Thaddeus

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On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Chris Randle wrote:

> On a doublespeed it's almost instanatanous. I always (well, I
> try to remember to always) do a /Ýenter¨ before I switch out
> of VR's session. Try it. I think you'll find it's a fairly
> workable solution.

This is the sort of excellent tip that makes this list valuable
to me.  Thanks Chris!

Ted

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The TCI/IP part simply refused to work (what's new) and I had no other choice
but to reinstall the OS. After that, I cannot use the left mouse button to drag
a file or folder anymore - nothing happens if I try. Any idea?

Thanks.

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Le Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:43:33 +0100
"Brown, William" <wdlb5359@GLAXOWELLCOME.CO.UK> a =E9crit:

> I have GP 4.02beta

I use the 5.01 version, but I made my first tests with GP 4.03
(evaluation), with the same results.
=20
> Here is my GP.BAT, in case the EPPPD is different. =20

I have the same gp.bat, except for the "c:\lxcic\lxcic" lines.

(and a "mru 576" addition, in the EPPPD call line, as suggested in the
docs. but it has nothing to do with the problem we are talking about).

> I used to have fun
> getting MTU negotiated, but it is OK with Compuserve.  =20

BTW, I cannot access to Compuserve with GP. When I connect, I am asked
to be in "7,e,1" mode. But, if GP permits a "PARITY EVEN" line in the
=2ESCR file, there is no "BITS 7"-like command. What is your .scr file ?

> Maybe you should try
> one of the debug EPPPDD?

I don't think I could make some useable tests now, as I don't longer
have a "standard" cable (without DCD line activated)... Maybe later, if
I get another one...

BTW, I just reread the pppd.man file, and thought that the diference
could be around the "local" option. Could you see if it is activated in
your case ?


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Ken London wrote:
> Bear in mind the memory you give the 200lx the better and
> faster it will run.   Also go for the DS.

This is correct but only in the sense that more _storage_ on the
palmtop is goodness. The memory that is in the 200 LX Palmtop
is used for two purposes:

1. Memory to run programs (memory).

2. Memory which is utilized as a disk drive, i.e. storage.

The 1MB machines already have MORE MEMORY than the cpu in the
palmtop can use. The _most_ that cpu can use is 640K. That is
just a fact of life and engineering.

Any additional memory is utilized as a drive, i.e. as storage.
With drivers from Mack (Times2Tech) the additional drive is
implemented as drive F (or G). There is even a way to change
the drive identities, so Drive F becomes Drive C, and the
original Drive C becomes Drive F.

There is also a way to utilize some of storage as palces where
memory is copied into and kept temporarily. See TREMM and also
how Software Carousel uses storage for memory images.

So the more memory chips are crammed into the 200LX, the more
_storage_ (not memory to run programs) you can have online on
the 200LX, the better!

  Joe


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Steve wrote:
>    Vauge memories of past postings imply that the
> 64 meg upgrade was "not as nice" as the 32 and 96
> meg upgrades.  With reliability the number one
> concern, has anyone comments on the relative merits
> of each?  I guess power consumption would be number
> two.

I thought the 96M upgrades weren't available anymore?

This is the first I've heard that the 64M isn't as good as the
32M.  What do you mean by "nice"?

I've got a 32M only because I couldn't justify the 64M price.

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Bill Sprague ably wrote:
> I've found the easiest was is to use WWW/LX from D & A but I don't know if
> it will work with the 100LX.

Yes, it works fine on my 100LX.


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Yuriy Kovalenko ably wrote:
>  Actually, it was very slow. Even though my modem is 33.6K

I get over 35,000 baud with a 56KB modem. The speed is not
necessarily the fault of the program. It could be your ISP,
your phone line (noise creates retransmissions and an
effective slowdown). Other reasons too, such as setup - in
WWWSETUP tell it to use 38600 baud for your modem.

   Joe


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Bill Sprague wrote:
> I'm about to send off my LX to Thaddeus for an upgrade.  Is 32MB enough for
> most folks or should I spring for the 64MB?  I don't do any hugh DB's but I
> will be doing some CAD and hydrologic modeling.

I'm getting along fine with a 32M unit.  Even with a 4M TREMM
EXM file for SC swap space I usually have about 10M free. My
biggest space usage goes for WWWLX data files.  My usage is
personal, I don't do business on my LX although I do have some
business data on it like people in the phone book and pws in a
SECDEV encrypted drive.

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Bill Sprague ably wrote:
> Yuriy wrote:
>
> >Actually, it was very slow. Even though my modem is 33.6K
>
> I think, if memory serves me, that it'll be slow until you register it.

I believe it is limited only in amount of transmission, not
speed. Unregistered WWW.EXE will transmit no more than 16K,
unregistered POST.EXE will allow only one email to be sent and
received - whichever occurs first.

> There are size restrictions to files until it's registered and I think that
> would slow it down.  I use a 14.4kb modem and it works just fine.

No size restrictions on any files whatsoever, except the 16K.

Please check their webpage at www.dasoft.net.

   Joe


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> Domingo--
> Sorry I cannot help you with your lx DOS and Me question,
but was wondering
> if you could help me with mine?
> How did you get the connectivity software to work with Me?
Being new to Me,

I'll look into that.  My Me system is fairly new and I have
not yet installed the connectivity pack.  Some other people
have, however, so you might receive an answer much sooner if
you post your question to the list.

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>   Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:23:14 -0500
>   From: Bill Sprague <eugarps@MINDSPRING.COM>
>Hi,
>I don't do any hugh DB's but I will be doing some CAD and hydrologic >modeling.

Bill
What CAD program do you plan to use?
I have just got AutoSketch version 3 for DOS but I was going to
wimp out and put it on the Omnibook 425....


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The CSERVE.SCR file I use is:

trace
parity even
delay .2
send ""
expect "ame:" in 30
delay .2
send "CIS"
expect "ID:" in 30
delay .2
send login;
send "/go:pppconnect"
expect "word:" in 30
delay .2
send password
expect "PPP" in 30
delay .2

I recall Steve Lawson had to put in the support for the parity even
specifically for the Compuserve access.

I also was thinking of the 'local' option for EPPPD when I originally read
about the problem.  I was going to try it, but when I got the cable and
connected it to see what failed, it worked!  I have read that there is
another kind of Nokia cable that can only be used with the PC suite to synch
the phonebook.  There seem to be M-BUS and F-BUS cables (and dual-mode
cables), and DAU-9P and DLR-3P cables.  Confusing.

Here is the schematic of the DLR-3P

http://members.nbci.com/dlrcable/Home.htm

I found this summary:
FBUS data rate speed up to 115200bps (software dependent).
MBUS data rate speed up to 9600bps (software dependent).
F-BUS : For general purposes (SMS, e-mail, fax, phone book editing,
ringtone, change operator logo, etc.).
M-BUS : For general engineering/repairing purposes.
Used in conjunction with softwares to repair, unlock phone security lock,
sim lock, initialize engineering mode etc.

Evidently there exist M-BUS only cables that can do some things only.

William D.Ll.Brown

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Andrew wrote:

What CAD program do you plan to use?
I have just got AutoSketch version 3 for DOS but I was going to
wimp out and put it on the Omnibook 425....

I use DraftChoice by Trius Computing and PalDraw but I understand you can run AutoCAD v. 9 on it with some support files.  All those are on the SUPER site.  Just search on CAD.  I've also run Generic CAD on my 5MB LX.  Generic CAD and DraftChoice are fully functional.  I think a DOS CAD program called EasyCAD  will work as well.  Just about anything that will run in DOS on a CGA screen seems to work but it may take some fiddling.  BTW I use a Thumbellina mouse as my pointing device.

Best,

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At 09:08 AM 3/28/01 -0500, you wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve"
>> Domingo wrote:
> > programs don't run.  One says "Packed file is corrupt" the

>>    That is the message/problem that is referenced by
>> LOADFIX.COM.  Check your free memory.
>
>I mentioned on my post that running from pure DOS doesn't
>improve the outcome.  So it is not lack of memory (576k free
>base memory).

   The LOADFIX is for when there is a memory wrap around involving
the A20 address line.  It occurs when you try and load a program
in the first 64k of memory

   From the DOS 6 help.
- - -
                               LOADFIX  Note

Some programs will display the "Packed file corrupt" message when all or a
portion of the program has been loaded in the first 64K of conventional
memory and cannot run successfully. This error is most likely to occur when
you load device drivers into the upper memory area, thereby freeing more of
the first 64K of conventional memory. If MS-DOS displays this message, use
the LOADFIX command to ensure that a program is loaded above the first 64K
of conventional memory.

To use the LOADFIX command, include it at the beginning of the command that
starts the program.
- - -

   Since 640 - 64 = 576, depending on round-off this
may still be the problem.


>
>> > other keeps refering me to the batch file I started the
>> > program with.
>>    Not clear here, what is the actual message?
>
>"Use MM Batch file to start the program".  The batch file
>passes certain parameters to the program, so it is not
>designed to run without it.  The problem is that I AM  using
>the batch file.  Either the program is not receiving the
>parameters, or something is seriously wrong with the DOS
>environment.

   Unfortunately the only sugesstion I have here is to load
your program into debug and see if the parameters are being
corrupted.  Of course if the "packed file corrupt" is still
affecting you, then the wrong error is just being reported.


>Thanks for your input.
>
>Domingo
>
>

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Domingo wrote:
>> > programs don't run.  One says "Packed file is corrupt" the
>>    That is the message/problem that is referenced by
>> LOADFIX.COM.  Check your free memory.
>
> I mentioned on my post that running from pure DOS doesn't
> improve the outcome.  So it is not lack of memory (576k free
> base memory).

I'm not sure how much this will help toward solving your problem
but I think I can help clear up some confusion.  The reason
loadfix is sometimes needed is that some old programs won't run
if they're loaded into the first 64k of memory.  With earlier
versions of Dos before there were memory managers, this wasn't
possible so it was never a problem.

When that problem occurs  you usually get the "Packed file is
corrupt" message (I think I remember that right).  The solution
is to use loadfix to run the program.  Something like "LOADFIX
PROGRAMNAME PARAMS GO HERE".  I haven't used loadfix much and
not at all in recent years so look it up to make sure of the
syntax.

So your problem, oddly enough, might be too much memory, not too
little.  :)

Or, since you're using Windows, it might be something entirely
different.

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The 64meg upgrade makes my LX bulge a bit underneath and at the back,
so it doesn't sit as firmly on a table top, it must have been a very
tight fit ! I think I recall postings that this only occurred on 64meg,
not 32 or 96meg, and has since been solved so 64s are no longer chubby.

Paul

>
>    Vauge memories of past postings imply that the
> 64 meg upgrade was "not as nice" as the 32 and 96
> meg upgrades.  With reliability the number one
> concern, has anyone comments on the relative merits
> of each?  I guess power consumption would be number
> two.
>
> Steve
>

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Joe H. Smith wrote:
> your phone line (noise creates retransmissions and an
> effective slowdown). Other reasons too, such as setup - in
> WWWSETUP tell it to use 38600 baud for your modem.

If power is affected by speed then a noisy line would still run
at the same actual speed and use the same amount of power if it
just caused retransmissions.

What actually happens is that on first connecting the two modems
negotiate a transmission speed based on line noise and other
facters.  That's the funny noise you hear.  They essentially try
several speeds and use the highest good speed.  Then that speed
is used until there are problems, at which time the speed can be
adjusted downward if necessary.

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> At 09:08 AM 3/28/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Steve"
> >> Domingo wrote:
> > > programs don't run.  One says "Packed file is corrupt"
the
>
> >>    That is the message/problem that is referenced by
> >> LOADFIX.COM.  Check your free memory.
> >
> >I mentioned on my post that running from pure DOS doesn't
> >improve the outcome.  So it is not lack of memory (576k
free
> >base memory).
>
>    The LOADFIX is for when there is a memory wrap around
involving
> the A20 address line.  It occurs when you try and load a
program
> in the first 64k of memory

I don't know how I didn't catch that one, my DOS skills must
be getting rusty.  I copied LOADFIX from my hplx to my ME
desktop and that solved the problem, thanks.  The funny thing
is that this never happened before with other versions of
Windows (3.0, 3.1, 95, 98, or even NT).   Must be the result
of the DOS slicing that uncle Bill is doing with Win ME.

> >"Use MM Batch file to start the program".  The batch file
> >passes certain parameters to the program, so it is not
> >designed to run without it.  The problem is that I AM
using
> >the batch file.  Either the program is not receiving the
> >parameters, or something is seriously wrong with the DOS
> >environment.
>    Unfortunately the only sugesstion I have here is to load
> your program into debug and see if the parameters are being
> corrupted.  Of course if the "packed file corrupt" is still
> affecting you, then the wrong error is just being reported.

I was able to guess that the length of the subdirectory string
was too long, so I copied the program to a root subdirectory,
gave it a real short name, and it worked.   Those folks at MS
really tried to squeeze every last byte of memory they could
out of DOS, I guess.

Thanks for all the help.

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Daniel Hertrich wrote:

> I just did a search for "RS232" and "Bluetooth" on google.com and found
> a few interesting URLs:

Replace "RS232" by "UART" and you get 1500 hits.

Let me cite just from one of the above hits concerning BT on
gameboys:

| The built in UART in the Gameboy makes it possible to attach
| a Bluetooth module to the link-port without adding any
| additional hardware. One might just want to add a blue LED to
| show BT activity. There is power supply available in the link
| port, enough to support a BT module, so there is no need for
| batteries in the plug in.

It is this kind of statements, which make me very optimistic
about BT for the palmtop.

I also found on one of the sites an overview and a complete
datasheet (in PDF) of the:

  Ericsson ROK 101 007 Bluetooth Module

This is a 33x17x3 mm piece of hardware with USB, UART and PCM
interface. It uses 6mA in standby mode, 50mA in connect and
scan mode and 26mA during data transfer. That should be no
problem at all for the palmtop to handle.

The UART interface only uses 4 lines of the UART:
RXD,TXD,RTS,CTS and it behaves as DCE.

This is probably not yet a module to be used as internal or
external BT module for the palmtop, because I think it still
needs a software driver. But it is sure something in the right
direction.

Ericsson recommends it for computers, peripherals, mobiles,
handhelds and accessoires.

Daniel, I will send you the overview PDF in a private email.
And thanks for representing the Palmtop community on CeBit.

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Hi


Have you found any old spellchecker of  DOS for the norwegian
language compatible with the HP?



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On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Andrew King wrote:

> >Subject: How Big to Upgrade?
> >   Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 08:23:14 -0500
> >   From: Bill Sprague <eugarps@MINDSPRING.COM>
> >Hi,
> >I don't do any hugh DB's but I will be doing some CAD and hydrologic >modeling.
>
> Bill
> What CAD program do you plan to use?
> I have just got AutoSketch version 3 for DOS but I was going to
> wimp out and put it on the Omnibook 425....
>
>
> --
> Andrew King
> Ann Arbor Michigan
> technology is the answer, what was the question?

If you have Autocad R10 or earlier, I put a file on the S.U.P.E.R. site
with what's needed to run it on a 200LX with at least 4 meg of memory.

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From: Paul Johnson

<<The 64meg upgrade makes my LX bulge a bit underneath and at the back,
so it doesn't sit as firmly on a table top, it must have been a very
tight fit ! I think I recall postings that this only occurred on 64meg,
not 32 or 96meg, and has since been solved so 64s are no longer chubby.>>

Pretty accurate. The 64 meg are still a little chubby, but better than
before. We have not been able to offer a 96 meg upgrade for a long time, and
prospects still don't look good.

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<<Isn't the likely repository for the excess parts with Hal at
Thaddeus? I would think Hal would have already made an
inquiry with HP to buy all LX parts, equipment, etc. After
getting the case molds from HP surely Hal has to be HP's
first logical choice for the disposition of the rest.>>

We would kill for extra parts. At this time we especially need screens and
battery covers. HP doesn't have any parts that they is willing to part with.
The only reason we were able to get the top of cases made was that HP needed
some for themselves and we worked out a win-win arrangement.

From my point of view the division has long since moved on and would prefer
to have nothing to do with the HP200LX.

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Hi friends,

I'd like to introduce a new list member. His name is Konstantin v.
Witzleben and he is my best friend.
He now also owns a HP 200LX 6MB DS, which has been one of my backup LXs
but I think this LX should rather live actively than sitting around and
waitin for my other LXs to die (which hopefully never happens).

Konstantin, please say hello to all these nice guys on the list! :-)
Does your subscription work? Do you get the list emails?


GTX
daniel

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On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:30:34 -0500, Lars Hedstroem wrote:

> Hi
>
> Have you found any old spellchecker of  DOS for the norwegian
> language compatible with the HP?

Hi

I have not thought about it and therefor I have not looked. I use
Quick/Lx, but it is not a spellchecker. I seldom write norwegian on the
Hplx.

Sorry that I can not help you out. But I am sure that there are
international spellcheckers with norwegian as an option?

Regards

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IIRC, the last version of AutoCAD that could run on an 8088/80186 without a
math coprocessor was v2.17.

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Andrew wrote:

What CAD program do you plan to use?
I have just got AutoSketch version 3 for DOS but I was going to
wimp out and put it on the Omnibook 425....

I use DraftChoice by Trius Computing and PalDraw but I understand you can
run AutoCAD v. 9 on it with some support files.  All those are on the SUPER
site.  Just search on CAD.  I've also run Generic CAD on my 5MB LX.  Generic
CAD and DraftChoice are fully functional.  I think a DOS CAD program called
EasyCAD  will work as well.  Just about anything that will run in DOS on a
CGA screen seems to work but it may take some fiddling.  BTW I use a
Thumbellina mouse as my pointing device.

Best,

Bill

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Konstantin,

Welcome to the list from just another participant.

I hope the list become second nature to you as it has for me.

Ask any question and provide any comment you see fit to do. We
(most of us) consider all contributions to be positive unless
proven otherwise.


Thanks,

Paul Anderson, Pres, Systems-Consulting
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Feldman, Robert wrote:

> IIRC, the last version of AutoCAD that could run on an 8088/80186 without a
> math coprocessor was v2.17.

Nope, R10 was the first that required an FPU, so V2.6 and R9 can run
without EM87.  My ZIP file on S.U.P.E.R. includes EM87, an 80287 emulator that
works fine on the 200LX. I think R10 was the last that would run on a
8088.


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Martin wrote:



> I have not thought about it and therefor I have not looked. I use > Quick/Lx, but it is not a spellchecker. I seldom write norwegian on the > Hplx.
>
> Sorry that I can not help you out. But I am sure that there are > international spellcheckers with norwegian as an option?
>

I ofcourse want a spellchecker of swedish:)

I thought if you had found one  of the norwegian language I
most probably would find one in swedish.

But I guess there is from the age of the 286 computers.

If I found one I will let you know.


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Fluff:
Bargan Alert?

While shopping in Office Depot (only in bigger stores), I recently
picked up two Monster Cable Surge Protectors at $50 each. This
particular model comes with an IEEE 1284 parallel printer cable
and a usb cable. The surge protector has eight outlets, 3 wide and
5 narrow-spaced.

Monday I noticed they had been reduced to $40. I think this
represents good "bang for the buck".

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Hi friends,

I'm still reading and evaluating all the material I collected at Cebit.
I just read a SanDisk handout which shows all the new large memory
cards and describes a few technical details about them.

And... under the headline "The Applications for Flash"
a picture still shows our trusty 200LX with a half inserted
Sandisk card!

I've scanned that picture and loaded it up on my home page. I'll keep
it there for a few days. See
http://www.daniel-hertrich.de/temp/sandisk.jpg

BUT: The compatibility list for the Sandisk cards doesn't mention the
200LX anymore. The list of HP handhelds begins with the 360LX.

GTX
daniel

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Hello Konstantin,

Welcome from all of us. We answer all questions - in
plain ASCII.

Bob

 Bob Christopher  Littleton, Colorado USA  bob@palmtop.com
                      HP 200-LX Palmtop
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> Joe H. Smith wrote:
> > your phone line (noise creates retransmissions and an
> > effective slowdown). Other reasons too, such as setup - in
> > WWWSETUP tell it to use 38600 baud for your modem.
>
> If power is affected by speed then a noisy line would still run
> at the same actual speed and use the same amount of power if it
> just caused retransmissions.

I have no idea about power, so I will not comment on it, and I
did not before.

> What actually happens is that on first connecting the two modems
> negotiate a transmission speed based on line noise and other
> facters.  That's the funny noise you hear.  They essentially try
> several speeds and use the highest good speed.  Then that speed
> is used until there are problems, at which time the speed can be
> adjusted downward if necessary.

That is not what I meant. I am aware of the negotiated speed.
What I meant was that when a transmission drops bits because
it is noisy, the receiving end will NACK the transmission, and
telling the sender to resend the last packet. When you have
many of these, you can spend more time transmitting characters
on the average, which in effect reduces the communication
speed. If I have 1000 bytes and transmit at 25000 bits per
second it will take 0.32 seconds (ignoring overheads, packet
wrappings and all that. (8 bits per byte...)

If there is noise and the 1000 byte transmission is deemed
invalid and a NACK is issued, then ignoring the turnaround
time, the same 1000 bytes will be transmitted twice. So the
same 1000 bytes (call it payload) will take 0.64 seconds
(probably more) and the _effective_ speed is now 12500 bits
per second. Errors can travel very fast <G>... I am sure you
know this...

   Joe


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Ed Padin writes: "I use software carousel to switch sessions on my LX. I
often leave the document I am reading open in a session for long periods.
Sometimes, some program I run in another session will cause the HP to crash
and I am forced to do a hard reboot. Because I never exit the program
properly, the 'last page viewed' is never bookmarked. When I rerun the
program I have to find the last page I read."

me replies:
That's why i deleted software carousel and installed Read.exe and
Quickview.exm. The former lets me read 8 files with bookmarks and zillions
of fonts. Thanks to Andreas i now have a laptop next to my TV, semi-remotely
operated by a bamboo stick to tap the space-bar to get me the next page of a
wonderful story during boring commercials.
Under Quickview with Moreexm i now have open 18 files, beating software
carousel by 6 plus apps. and saving 4mB of ram.

......and some more (to add to my "usually short" messages)
 -  some more science news:

You may feel OK now, but...
 A new breathalyser can tell if you're in for a bout of flu
 http://www.newscientist.com/tech/sniffout.jsp

Cut the garble
 A "computer model of human irritation" will help to unscramble
 tomorrow's Net phone calls
 http://www.newscientist.com/tech/smoothoperator.jsp

No more dozy drivers
 The software that warns tired motorists when it's time to pull off the
 road   http://www.newscientist.com/tech/asleep.jsp

The mobile medic
 One day your cellphone will monitor the state of your health
 http://www.newscientist.com/tech/heart.jsp

Who needs 3G...
 ..when a cheap in-car digital radio receiver works just as well
 http://www.newscientist.com/tech/3G.jsp

The eyes have it
 New goggles let you see radioactivity
 http://www.newscientist.com/tech/glowforit.jsp

The big picture
 Jumbo-sized televisions needn't weigh a ton or cost a fortune
 http://www.newscientist.com/tech/sharpshooter.jsp

AND FINALLY... Imagine standing in Sydney and touching someone in New York.
Another kind of virtual reality? Videoconferencing? No, this is
tele-immersion. It's the real-world answer to Star Trek's holodeck and it
promises to allow people in different parts of the world "to submerge
themselves in one another's presence and feel as if they are sharing the
same physical space"... http://www.newscientist.com/tech/beingthere.jsp

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>Subject: Re: Upgrade Inquiry
>   Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:35:00 +1000
>   From: Paul Johnson <paulj@SILCHIP.COM.AU>
>
>The 64meg upgrade makes my LX bulge a bit underneath and at the back,
>so it doesn't sit as firmly on a table top, it must have been a very
.tight fit ! I think I recall postings that this only occurred
on 64meg,
>not 32 or 96meg, and has since been solved so 64s are no longer chubby.
>
>Paul
I have noticed the same problem on my 8 meg DS, a distinct bulge
underneath that made it wobbly. I fixed it by putting two 1 mm
thick rubber feet under the front corners.

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I will run the connectivity pack again--the program could not connect to the
com port.  When I tried to run the transfer sub routine, a note popped up to
load llra ahead of windows.
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I will run the connectivity pack again--the program could not connect to the
com port.  When I tried to run the transfer sub routine, a note popped up to
load llra ahead of windows.
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Date:         Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:44:38 +0200
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test if konstantin's subscription works now (didn't work before)

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hopefully konstantin's subscription works now! sorry for the bandwidth.

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Date:         Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:56:02 +0200
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> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:30:34 -0500, Lars Hedstroem wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Have you found any old spellchecker of  DOS for the norwegian
> > language compatible with the HP?
>


In my Norwegian version of Wordperfect
5.1 I have spellchechers for both the
Norwegian languages "Bokmaal" and
"Nynorsk". All on my HP200Lx.

Lillebjorn, Oslo

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Hello,

I have a refurbished Plextor 12/10/32A CD-RW for auction on eBay. It still contains a
few months of the factory warranty. If interested, click the link below. Sorry for the
long line length but my link doesn't work otherwise. Thanks!

http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItemsLinkBUttons&userid=tomsalwasser

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Every palmtop user handling with PDF files should know the
email address:

pdf2txt@adobe.com

You may either put an URL pointing to a PDF file in the body
of the email or you may attach a PDF file to the email and
you receive back a TXT version of the document.

I just found another way to convert a PDF to TXT: If you use
Google to search for the document, it prompts you with the link
and the hint:

"Your browser may not have a PDF reader available. Google
 recommends visiting out text version of the document."

The word "text" in the above text is a clickable link, and
Google immediately presents you the text version of the PDF,
which you can save using F10 in HV.

I guess this hint of Google is not new, but I never payed
attention to it and I didn't hear of this possibility from
HPLX-L.

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Nathalie

I got Quickview.exm from SUPER, but where did you get READ.EXE?

TIA

Bob


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me wrote:

That's why i deleted software carousel and installed Read.exe and
Quickview.exm. The former lets me read 8 files with bookmarks and
zillions
of fonts. Thanks to Andreas i now have a laptop next to my TV,
semi-remotely
operated by a bamboo stick to tap the space-bar to get me the next page
of a
wonderful story during boring commercials.
Under Quickview with Moreexm i now have open 18 files, beating software
carousel by 6 plus apps. and saving 4mB of ram.

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Joe H. Smith wrote:
> If there is noise and the 1000 byte transmission is deemed
> invalid and a NACK is issued, then ignoring the turnaround
> time, the same 1000 bytes will be transmitted twice. So the
> same 1000 bytes (call it payload) will take 0.64 seconds
> (probably more) and the _effective_ speed is now 12500 bits
> per second. Errors can travel very fast <G>... I am sure you
> know this

Yes I do.  Also if there are many NAKs the line speed is
reduced.  Hopefully reducing the power drain if that is how the
modem works.  I also don't know about that part.

But I didn't think of that time before that happens when a
resend takes place or when the line isn't quite dirty enough to
reduce the speed but still does cause some resends.

Barry

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Atlanta, Ga. - Scientists at the Centers for Disease Control today
confirmed that foot-and-mouth disease cannot be spread by Microsoft's
Outlook email application, believed to be the first time the program has
ever failed to propagate a major virus.

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> Nathalie
>
> I got Quickview.exm from SUPER, but where did you get
READ.EXE?

Here:  ftp://ftp.dasoft.com/pub/MISC/

Enjoy

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At 08:36 AM 3/30/01 -0800, bobv wrote:
 >
 >I got Quickview.exm from SUPER, but where did you get READ.EXE?
 >

You can download from http://www.dasoft.com/READLX/index.html

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Stefan Peichl wrote:

> Every palmtop user handling with PDF files should know the
> email address:
>
> pdf2txt@adobe.com

My attempt to try this was returned by the Adobe server with a "user
unknown" error.  Are you sure the address is right?

Ted

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Theodore Heise wrote:

> My attempt to try this was returned by the Adobe server with a "user
> unknown" error.  Are you sure the address is right?

Sorry!  I'm the one that had the address wrong.  <blush>

Ted

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>From: Curtis Cameron Ýmailto:curtc@AIRMAIL.NET¨
>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 8:38 PM
>...
>And can anyone beat an average score of 20.6?
>
>The game is available at:
>http://members.aol.com/FreeWhl44/lxgames.html

Steady improvement has resulted in my finally reaching 20.7 this morning.
Total 2813 games played, 53 of them won.

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Date:         Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:35:29 +0200
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Le Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:09:25 +0100
"Brown, William" <wdlb5359@GLAXOWELLCOME.CO.UK> a =E9crit:

> The CSERVE.SCR file I use is:
>=20
> trace
> parity even
> ÝSNIP¨

Yes, except for the "trace" line, it is the same script I tested.

And you know what ? I just re-tested my script, and get it executed !=20
(does CIS has changed something at their end ?)

Unfortunately, I can't go after the "Negotiating Network Connection"
message. Both with the Ericsson and my external modem, which shows the
RD an TD blinking at fast rate, until I cut myself the connection :-(

I will try later

> I have read that there is
> another kind of Nokia cable that can only be used with the PC suite to =
synch
> the phonebook.  There seem to be M-BUS and F-BUS cables (and dual-mode
> cables), and DAU-9P and DLR-3P cables.  Confusing.

More confusing : There are two DLR-3 cables : DLR-3 and DLR-3P ! ;-)
Accordin to the Nokia docs, you must use the DLR-3P cable with the 6210.
According to some web pages, DLR-3P _replaces_ the DLR-3. The
electronic logic is different, and you are supposed to use the 3P with
the 6210.

Unfortunately the link (http://members.nbci.com/dlrcable/Home.htm) you
listed in your message mentioned "dlr3", not "dlr3-p". Then, for which
version it is really ? I searched on the Net without finding a response...
It would be interesting to know, because the schematic shows that DCD
line is really wired to something (to what ? impossible to know, as the
16LC63 chip seems to be no longer manufactured - this could suggest BTW
that it is a DLR-3 and that the DLR-3P was made because the manufacturerd=
o
not longer do the 16LC63 chip (it is absent from the=20
http://www.microchip.com/10/lit/pline/picmicro/index.htm page, who is a
manufacturer listed as the provider of the chip, in a
http://www.nobbi.com/steck_dlr3.htm subpage).. I have tried to know if
Microchip is the only manufacturer of the chip, not found anything else...

Anyway, when I made the tests, I was informed about the existence of the
two versions. Then I am sure I asked to test a 3P cable. This was
labeled on the box.

One other thing : I reread the notes I made abouts my 6210 tests (and
sent to the list) :
  "Goin'postal : Same results than with the bad s35i cable : bad
    link quality, the programs seems to have great difficulty to find
    the modem."

Unfortunately, I don't really remember this particular test. According=20
to my memory, I had the DCD line problem for GP. But this text is not
very clear.. :-) But I am pretty sure that a cable based on the
schematics showed on the site you posted (Max3xxx chip, DCD line wired)
should work...

Anyway, we know some things :
- _your_ cable works.
- _some_ cable brings problems.

Morality : test before to buy :-)


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Yes, the author of Goin'Postal has not totaly vanished !  :-)
Here is a copy of a discussion we had last days...

###########

From:    stevel@gfys.net (Steven Lawson)
To:      jbelin@ALTERN.ORG
Date:    Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:09:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Goin'postal + Ericcson R320s : It works !

I should probably put this in the documentation somewhere, but if you tie
DCD to DTR, GP won't complain about the modem not hanging up.  I look for
the DCD line to drop while I'm holding the DTR line low.

Hope this helps!

You can forward this to the list if you want, I no longer receive it and
only occasionally browse the archives.

###########

From:    Jacques Belin <jbelin@altern.org>
To:      stevel@gfys.net (Steven Lawson)

> I should probably put this in the documentation somewhere, but if you tie
> DCD to DTR, GP won't complain about the modem not hanging up.  I look for
> the DCD line to drop while I'm holding the DTR line low.
>
> Hope this helps!

Interesting to know, even if I don't think have encountered problems at
the end of a session (I seen you have coded that particulary well :-) ).
The only known problem about the DCD line is that it closes the session
juste after the "CONNECT 9600" message, as most of the cellular phones
cable have not anything connected at the DCD pin.

The discussion I have with William Brown is caused by the fact that we
tested GP with the same hardware (HP200 + Nokia 6210 GSM Phone +
DLR-3ÝP¨ cable), but have different results.

I am stil investigating about the fact there is two DLR3 cables (DLR-3
and DLR-3P), which have a different electronic parts inside, managing
perhaps diferently the DCD line (do the link that William provided
yesterday is realy DLR-3P, or it is DLR3 ?)..

Or the other option could be about our different GP version...

Have you changed something in the DCD line management between 4.02(beta)
and 4.03 ?


> You can forward this to the list if you want, I no longer receive it and
> only occasionally browse the archives.

Glad your are still lurking, even from time to time. There are sometimes
discussions about GP. We where very disapointed when we discover that
even the site has disapeared...

BTW, do you think to release the source files ?
Even if yout don't support it, we could always solve ourselves some
little problems like the one concerning the DCD line, or add a few
little functions (I am myself thinking about the management of
"In-Reply-To" and "References" headers. Probably not difficult to add,
and an almost mandatory function for modern e-mailers).

###########

From:    stevel@gfys.net (Steven Lawson)
To:      Jacques Belin <jbelin@altern.org>

> Have you changed something in the DCD line management between 4.02(beta)
> and 4.03 ?

Nope, same setup.  Current version is 5 which is freeware.  It's available
for as long as I keep a fulltime connection at
http://gfys.net/gp/gp5r1.exe

I believe it's also on SUPER, though maybe only through FTP.  I sent them
a copy then someone overwrote the webpage with an old description.  I was
supposed to give a new description to get it back on the web page but
never followed through.

The reason GP demands DTR/DCD is purely religion.  In the past 20+ years
dealing with modems, I really hate relying on the triple-plus ATH method
of getting one to hang up, and going on faith that it ever
connected.  I've found many times modems locking up after being sent
binary data when they were still in command mode.  GP ends up going to
that as a desperate measure should DCD never drop (but most of the time
I've had a modem get to that point, it won't hang up even with ATH).  I
decided since modem/serial EATS batteries on an LX (and a session left up
over a cell phone costs $$$$$) that I'd use the hardware pins so I'd know
that a connection was ready, and that the phone connection really DID
drop, and if DCD didn't go away after a hardware & software attempt I'd
output a big error message.  Didn't want anyone blaming GP for dead
batteries or a huge phone bill!

> Glad your are still lurking, even from time to time. There are sometimes
> discussions about GP. We where very disapointed when we discover that
> even the site has disapeared...

I had planned on going back to a parttime connection, which hasn't
happened yet but might next month (it's expensive, and my dayjob is
starting to look shaky)

> BTW, do you think to release the source files ?

I've thought about it, but keep thinking I might do another
commercial/shareware product with the code someday (if a decent platform
ever emerges again!).  We'll see where the next few months puts me.

##############

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On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:31:02 -0600, Hal Goldstein wrote:

Hal

> <<Isn't the likely repository for the excess parts with Hal at
> Thaddeus? I would think Hal would have already made an
> inquiry with HP to buy all LX parts, equipment, etc. After
> getting the case molds from HP surely Hal has to be HP's
> first logical choice for the disposition of the rest.>>
>
> We would kill for extra parts. At this time we especially need screens and
> battery covers. HP doesn't have any parts that they is willing to part with.

You have gotten indications that they really _have_ parts then? They are
just "tight asses"? :-)

Maybe we should organize something to get them to part with their
parts?

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:56:02 +0200, Lillebjorn Nilsen wrote:

> > On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:30:34 -0500, Lars Hedstroem wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Have you found any old spellchecker of  DOS for the norwegian
> > > language compatible with the HP?
> >
>
> In my Norwegian version of Wordperfect
> 5.1 I have spellchechers for both the
> Norwegian languages "Bokmaal" and
> "Nynorsk". All on my HP200Lx.

Yes ofcourse. I had forgotten about good old Wp5.1 :-)

Regards

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Do I have to buy the part and fool with it myself, or will THADDEUS use this
Ýpresumably hinge crack resistant 'cause of the brass inserts¨ lid when I
send my primary 200lx off to Thaddeus for DS 8MB and lid repair

T

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hal Goldstein Ýmailto:hal_goldstein@THADDEUS.COM¨
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 4:15 PM
> To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu
> Subject: Cover and SRAM card sale
>
 ÝSNIP DO TO 140 LINE RULE>

> left.  These parts come without the HP logo. This top
> of-the-screen cover
> comes with 4 brass inserts on the inside.
>
> When I brought up the subject months ago, people asked if they could
> purchase them from us separately.  I ordered enough to make this a
> possibility. HOWEVER... if you decide you want them, you are
> on your own!

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yourselfers&quot;??????  (was - - Cover and SRAM card sale)</TITLE>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Do I have to buy the part and fool with it myself, or =
will THADDEUS use this Ýpresumably hinge crack resistant 'cause of the =
brass inserts¨ lid when I send my primary 200lx off to Thaddeus for DS =
8MB and lid repair</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>T</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; From: Hal Goldstein Ý<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:hal_goldstein@THADDEUS.COM">mailto:hal_goldstein@THADDEUS=
.COM</A>¨</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 4:15 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: HPLX-L@UCONNVM.UConn.Edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: Cover and SRAM card sale</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;ÝSNIP DO TO 140 LINE RULE&gt; </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; left.&nbsp; These parts come without the HP =
logo. This top </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; of-the-screen cover</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; comes with 4 brass inserts on the =
inside.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; When I brought up the subject months ago, =
people asked if they could</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; purchase them from us separately.&nbsp; I =
ordered enough to make this a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; possibility. HOWEVER... if you decide you want =
them, you are </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; on your own!</FONT>
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Date:         Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:59:56 -0800
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Hello list,

I recently acquired an old serial to parallel printier cable to attempt
to use with my 200lx.

Can someone assist me with how to set up the palmtop to use one of
these?  I believe this one was sold by Sheir Systems at one time.

Thanks for the help!

Marcus
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Date:         Sat, 31 Mar 2001 03:51:04 +0000
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To all new HPLX list members (and old ones that may have
forgotten), please do NOT post HTML to the HPLX list.
(Bianries aren't wanted either for space reasons.)

There are several reason for this request, among them are:

- Many (most?) of us use txt based news readers and the HTML is
  unreadable.

- Many of us use WWW/LX and the extra space required to hold the
  HTML is not appreciated in a palmtop that may be short of disk
  space (compared to a desktop).

- HTML wastes space in the list archives and causes extra
  (useless) hits when searching them.

- unwanted HTML adds to the msg download time.

There may be other reasons I can't think of right now.

Bottom line: Don't do it!

Cheers... Russ

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Date:         Sat, 31 Mar 2001 01:20:29 -0500
Reply-To:     John J Vanderstel <j_vanderstel@JUNO.COM>
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Subject:      Re: Upgrade Inquiry

Hi Steve,

>    Vauge memories of past postings imply that the
> 64 meg upgrade was "not as nice" as the 32 and 96
> meg upgrades.  With reliability the number one
> concern, has anyone comments on the relative merits
> of each?  I guess power consumption would be number
> two.

I think what you are remembering are reports from a few people with 32meg
HP200LXs that it was not uncommon that if their batteries went virtually
dead, upon battery replacement, no data was lost.

I have a 32meg HP200LX and had something similar happen to me.  The
batteries in my HP200LX got so low one time that a directory listing in
the root directory offered only a few files with illegal DOS names.  I
simply assumed that my whole file system was damaged and that I would
have to restore my HP200LX from backups.

To my amazement, after replacing the batteries, I found that no files
were lost, at all. :-)  All of my many files were still in my root
directory.

The general consensus back then seemed to be that the 32 meg palmtops
were unusually hardy in low voltage situations.

Cheers!

John Vander Stel
Grand Rapids, Michigan

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hello,

I am looking for a spare part for my 8MB 200LX.
I do not know exactly what it looks like, but the specialists who
have already studied the anatomy of the 200LX will probably know what
I am looking for.
My LX has a problem with the right hinge. It fell on the ground some
time ago, and inside the rigth hinge there must be a black plastic
part, and this was crushed. The edge of the right hinge has also a
small crack, but not on the upside like ususal but underneath this
removable cap.
I read on the list about the new covers for the LX from Hal, and I
thought maybe I can get such a small plastic part and could repair
the unit, which is in a execellent state otherwise.

Maybe there is a dead LX lying somewhere and I can put my vivid one
on the transplantation list...

best regards,
Werner (from Feldkirch, Austria)


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Date:         Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:31:41 +0200
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A friend uses Goin' Postal. Can she get
newsgroups with this program? I don't
really
know it, I use POST/LX.



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Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:04:59 -0500 (EST)

Thanks for the remider ;-)

Cheers...AJKind

11h13m55s ago ...
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Russel Brooks wrote:

> To all new HPLX list members (and old ones that may have
> forgotten), please do NOT post HTML to the HPLX list.
> (Bianries aren't wanted either for space reasons.)
>
> ...
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Date:         Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:39:09 +0200
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Le Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:31:41 +0200
Lillebjorn Nilsen <bjni@ONLINE.NO> a =E9crit:

> A friend uses Goin' Postal. Can she get
> newsgroups with this program? I don't

No, GP is only for a-mail.

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Date:         Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:54:34 -0500
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:35:29 +0200, Jacques Belin wrote:

> More confusing : There are two DLR-3 cables : DLR-3 and DLR-3P ! ;-)

Dlr3p is for 6210 _and_ 7110. Dlr3 is for 7110 only ("old" cable.)

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Date:         Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:06:39 +0200
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Le Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:54:34 -0500
Martin Bergvill <martin@MOBILPOST.COM> a =E9crit:

> Dlr3p is for 6210 _and_ 7110. Dlr3 is for 7110 only ("old" cable.)

Exact.=20

But it would be intersting to test a DLR-3 on a 6210...=20

If the url we talk about are really DLR-3, which seems to be very
complete, perhaps we could get some good surprise...


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Date:         Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:14:23 +0200
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Le Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:36:55 -0500
Martin Bergvill <martin@MOBILPOST.COM> a =E9crit:


> Maybe we should organize something to get them to part with their
> parts?

Well, I think we have only one solution :

I find the way to enter to the warehouse, Hal finds the guns, and you dri=
ve
the truck !=20

<g,d&r>

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Date:         Sun, 1 Apr 2001 05:29:58 +0100
Reply-To:     HP Staber <hpstaber@COMPUSERVE.COM>
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I have WinME and installed CPACK. I'm able to run App200 except for the
File Transfer and the XLate functions in a desktop icon. TransFile dows
not connect to the palmtop either.

I have MS-Office installed which includes a MS-DOS app icon in the
MS-Office shortcut. I could run a DOS session from there and I was able
to connect to the palmtop through Filer. Upon exiting the desktop froze
and I had to issue a cold boot to recover. Might try ZIP in a DOS
session - it does not work as desktop application.

It seems that WinME ties up all Com ports and releases them to
plug-n-play applications only ;-)

And yes - the claim that WinME does not know DOS is bovine excrements
(g).

HP Staber/Salzburg

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for a few years now i carry this "wouldn't it be nice if someone made"
feeling around, but never was able to find someone who might actually create
just the item i have in mind.

so i thought maybe someone from our list might be interested in joining me
to find a manufacturer of two of my ideas:

1. a "collar radio" (not walkman)
2. a chemical self-defense gun masquerading as a handgun

anyone intrested in contacting product development at ie. SONY America (or
whoever) please contact me

also...

An email disguising itself as a virus alert is doing the rounds again,
warning mobile phone users of a nasty virus that will erase all information
on their SIM card.
http://www.zdnet.com.au:80/news/dailynews/story/0,2000013063,20211864,00.htm

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